According to the books Yennefer is "depressed" because of her infertility and is looking for ways to be able to have a child. That's why she's such a mother hen to Ciri.
Can we just appreciate how... Happy, Geralt looks at the end of Blood and Wine? When he's talking to Yen (or Triss) in the garden it's a look of genuine fulfilment and it's amazing. Also why I consider Geralt semi-retiring canon and no one will convince me otherwise. Geralt deserves to rest
In the last book, Geralt planned to retire and live with the yennefer, this is what he wanted .... it was not possible because of the trajectory .. so you are not wrong here ..
@@betinamary4048 In the book Yen was made for Geralt from first beginning,other women more like a decoration,it is all up to the writer,which is cool.But in game it is always nice to have more choice and divergent for player,so game is game,book is book,I gonna say,both Yen an Triss are well made character in game,that makes Witcher always the master work one way or another.
I don't care what anyone says, the cutest scene in the whole game is when Geralt and Yen are eavesdropping on Ciri's meeting outside the door all sneaky and concerned. Anyone who would knowingly tear apart this little family dynamic is a monster! I have always and will always choose Yennefer.
"Anyone who would knowingly tear apart this little family dynamic is a monster" ... Hey now! I am definitely team Yennifer, but I wouldn't call Triss a monster ... *smirk*
I love Yen's letter in Blood and Wine if you romanced her. She's so passionately in love with Geralt but she expresses it so stiffly and formally in little things like "take extraordinarily good care of yourself" and "your Yen".Absolutely melted my heart and I'm glad it's substantially different from the non-romance letter.
Found a small detail in Vizima. After you're done talking to her, she opens up a portal to go to Skellige, you can actually run through that portal and get teleported into the room nextdoor. Geralt even gives his "I hate portals" line
@nik Bahtin it's due to a decree by Archmage Tissasia, a very prominent figure in the wizarding world. She listed numerous occasions and examples of women who had magical talent but received no training in regards to it. This led to very damaging mental and physical effects on said woman, on top of which, they could pass to their own children, how ever they're conceived. She was very concerned with the chain of events that would transpire from these untrained women degenerating into insane shells who would then copulate and spread the problem further. As such, she stated that women must make a choice, "you must decide: to be a sorceress or a mother, you cannot be both." She would then request that all apprentices be sterilized without exception. This can be seen in "Blood of the Elves," page 225. Hope this answered your question! :)
nik Bahtin I have only read The Last Wish and The Sword of Destiny, and have only played The Witcher 3, but my take on this is that they might not know what they are getting themselves into? For example, Istredd says he was pouring over scrolls from a young age, training hard to become a sourcerer etc. so possibly sorceresses like Yen do the same. Maybe they accept the infertility at a time when they do not want children, but later in life some might yearn for it. Also, if you read The Last Wish, most sorceresses become sorceresses because of defects. For example, Geralt knew when he first saw Yen that she had a hunched back. Maybe because they weren’t loved before they “fixed” themselves that they never thought of the opportunity of children, but after “fixing” themselves they were loved and wanted children.
nik Bahtin It’s said in The Last Wish that most become sorceresses because they are un-marryable, usually due to being ugly or some defect. Once they become sorceresses, they use their magic to fix themselves. In The Sword if Destiny, Dandelion comments on how even though Yen is quite old, her skin looks like a 16 year old’s from all the cream/ointment she applies or something along those lines
In the books Yen wants to find a way to become a mother. If I remember correctly, it is revealed in the first book, 'The last wish'. This is why she loves Ciri so much later, because she is the daughter Yen can't have. In the games they don't share that close relationship (in the books Ciri called Yen her mother), so it's possible, that the in-game Yen still wants to have a child.
Yes, they have close relationship both in the game and the books, but in the games Geralt is the only one who really act like Ciri was his daughter. As I recall, the only moment when Yen seems like Ciri's mother is the scene in Kaer Morhen, when she hugs her. Most of the time it's like they are only close friends. The game focuses Geralt's and Yen's, or Geralt's and Ciri's relationship instead. But I think this is not bad, as Ciri has grown up since they last met.
@@kirakovacs4877 And even this scene is only for the polish speaking people great to understand. In every other translation Yennfer do not call Ciri daughter
@Kíra Kovács And in games Ciri's like.. huhh.. who are you? towards yen most of the time... And in books she announces that her name is Cirilla of Vengerberg daughter of Yennefer.. and to geralts frustration she never calls him father.. They completely ignored all of that to not to upset triss fans.. and also at the end of book Yen and Triss ends up becoming really good friends. again that got thrown out of windows at the very beginning of witcher game. Yen always considered Triss as a family not just a friend.
@@gwynbleidd7935 Yes, the game forgot many things. For example in the books only a few people knew that Ciri is the daughter of Emhyr by blood. In the games everyone knew it. And there is no mention of the false Ciri. Also, according to the books, Voohris becomes emperor after Emhyr, so it's like a 'false ending' if Ciri becomes empress at the end of the game. And Geralt and Yen marry at the end of the books on the island where Ciri left them, so the Triss-love-storyline is also somewhat false. But I think we can forgive these mistakes, because this way the game is more interesting
This level of dedication and passion to mostly unnotable details in a world with well-written characters are the foundation to become legend. That's why CDPR is loved by its customers... a grasp, EA will never capable of.
Maybe that's what it's based on - which would be a very nice nod - but: If you look around Skellige you can find several versions of this painting (tapestry?) in different houses etc and most have fire inside, making it much more obvious that it's supposed to be a dragon. I'm guessing they are depicting different kinds of Dragon and since not all Dragons in the Witcher Vers are said to have been breathing fire, the once without the flames are probably supposed to be one of those kinds. I have a screen shot which clearly shows what I mean, but unfortunately can't post it here. :/
Yennefer's issue with the whole maternity thing, is actually a big theme in the saga. The games live a lot of hints about it, the books are a lot more explicit about it (of course). To stick with the game, though, you can clearly guess the game that she always wanted to have, and to be a lot of her. I always found a kind of funny that Ciri is a mixture of both Yennefer and Geralt traits, pishically and also temperamentally, it makes the relationship between the three more believable.
I think in the game they may have put those books in her room like a reference to the saga, since like you said she always wanted to be a mother, quite obsessed actually. She only stops chasing this after meeting Ciri, so I believe the books are more about her old self
3:55 If you read the books you'll also notice that it references a letter that Geralt wrote to Yen, not knowing how to address her at the end. As they were not together at this time, he ends with with "your friend Geralt". This infuriates Yen and her passive scathing reply is ended as such as well.
One of my favorite parts of the books. Her letter is excellent. The “dear friend” over and over again and how she’s “honored to be your second choice” 😂
I was actually surprised that you weren't able to ask Walter O'Dimm to make Yennefer fertile. I can only imagine Geralt going to her and being like "Hey Yennefer I found The Man in Black, chased him across the desert and got him to give me a wish, I wished for a bottomless cup of vodka."
@@elvandar1419 Walter O'Dimm. He's an evil wizard who pretends to be god and grants people wishes which lead to their demise. The nemisis of Roland the Gunslinger. Then he shows up in the hearts of stone DLC and hires Geralt to claim a soul. Have none of you read the Dark Tower?
You can find that mother & child tapestry in pretty much every Skelligan home. I think there were even some in Kaer Trolde. It most likely has something to do with Freya. Since Yen was staying in a Skelligan tavern, I imagine the tavern owner hung the tapestry there, kind of like how every American hotel has a bible in the nightstand. I do think it has at least some relation to motherhood though, since one of Freya's three forms is a pregnant woman.
Yennefer wanting children is an underlying theme of her character in the books. Her first appearance is a short story of her trying to catch a Djinn precisely as in those hints in the game. Also what she does for Ciri and Geralt is essentially her being the protective mother of her adoptive daughter. Regardless of her being with Geralt at the time or not, she endures a year of imprisonment and torture for Ciri after Geralt essentially badgered her into taking her in as a ward to learn magic. By comparison Triss is just the young aunt who may care for Ciri like a sister, but does not do anything selfless like that to protect her. She usually takes the convenient way out to defer to more powerful sorceresses counsel. Arguably the main theme of the entire fantasy series is about dysfunctional people seeking comfort and love for each other.
After watching literally hundreds of your videos it actually amazes me that you can be so thorough that you find all these things 70% of all player have completely missed or not paid attention to. Truly a next level completionist and/or a passionate gamer?
O’dim is also the name of the man in black on Stephen King’s Dark Tower series. I became suspicious of the man just by that name alone the first time i played, and was overjoyed when i found out he was more than meets the eye
I know you said you aren't going to dive into the books, but considering such a big part of this video is you wondering if Yen wants a child of her own, I feel obliged to answer. The answer is crystal clear in the books. Yes, Yen does want to have a child of her own. Not only that, but she wants a child with Geralt, specifically. It seems like fate double-crosses her, because not only is she, herself, incapable of having children because of the use of magic(or maybe because some sorceresses get sterilized as part of becoming sorceresses), but Geralt is also infertile, like all the other witchers. At various parts, both Yen and Geralt wonder, how it would've been, if they met and they were both normally fertile and what kind of life they could have together. In the Sword of Destiny book, she and Geralt also speak to a golden dragon, Villentretenmerth, that they help save from a group of soldiers, dragon slayers, magicians, etc. I think the story goes so: Villentretenmerth is a golden dragon and is also incapable of having children(maybe because he was the last golden dragon and there were no other golden dragons left for him to reproduce with, or maybe golden dragons just can't reproduce). He defends a dragoness with a baby and I think that that baby dragon isn't his. It later turns out that that baby dragon grows up to be Saesenthesis/Saskia(from The Witcher 2) and that she got the ability to turn from a human to dragon from her father, Villentretenmerth, but not completely, because Villentretenmerth can turn into anything, but he did, besides dragons, love humans the most and turned into a human most often, so that's the trait Saskia/Saesenthesis inherits/learns/gets from him. ANYWAYS, this suggests to me either that the baby dragon was still, in fact, his biological daughter, or that in the Witcher world, certain traits can transfer to children non-genetically, if the bond is a genuine parent-child bond. Well, Villentretenmerth says in the Sword of Destiny, that he sees that baby dragon as his continuation...that, even though he can't biologically have kids, this baby dragon will be his legacy and continuation of his spirit, so basically still his real, own child. And that HEAVILY foreshadows Ciri. Remember, she hasn't yet been mentioned in the books by this time, if I remember correctly. But the exact same thing happens with Ciri, Geralt and Yen, as does with Villentretenmerth and Saskia/Saesenthesis. Ciri is meant to be Geralt's destiny...she is bound to him by the law of surprise TWICE. And Yen's fate is bound to Geralt's fate as per his last wish to the Djinn from the book The Last Wish(with that last wish, he saves Yen, but also makes both of them fall in unbreakable love with each other). So basically, Geralt, Yen and Ciri are a destiny and fate bound family. Ciri even looks like she was Geralt's child. And she forms a genuine mother-daughter bond with Yen. Yen sees Ciri as her own child. That's why she's so protective, but also, why she's so rude and inconsiderate to others in certain cases, in The Witcher 3. It's literally her child, that's being chased by the whole world of kings, emperors and a transdimensional demon army. I wouldn't have time to be excessively polite to random people either, if my daughter was in such danger and time was running out. Ciri is Geralt and Yen's continuation and legacy. Like Saskia/Saesenthesis is Villentretenmerth's continuation and legacy. A real, true child of theirs in every way but genetics. Yen might still want more children, though. But that excerpt from that book that you mention in secret #2 is literally, word for word, taken from the book Blood of Elves, which is used to explain that Yen is infertile and how that's the biggest tragedy of Yen's life.
Btw the Sorceresses are not infertile because of magic. It's because like normal woman, Sorceresses run out of eggs, something that magic cannot fix. Sorcerers on the other hand are fertile, because men produce sperm throughout their entire life.
@@starslayer1493 Nenneke says Yen's ovaries have attrophied due to the use of magic(I don't remember specifically, maybe it's because of certain kind of magic or overuse of magic or something like that) and neither Yen nor Geralt object to that. If I'm not mistaken, even Triss is infertile, but she's around 30 years old, which is still a completely fertile age.
@@starslayer1493 Aren't sorceresses older than they look? The use magic to look younger. However the reason Yennefer is part of the group that is hunting for the golden dragon is that she believes the golden skin will be enough payment for an operation to make her fertile. Or that is at least how I interpreted that part of the book.
5:38 Actually Yennefer says in the book Sword Of Destiny that she wants a cure for her infertility and, if I'm not mistaken, that she always dreamed of being a mother.
A little extra for those non readers, she wants Geralt to help her try to find a cure for her infertility and he refuses since she had basically been an asshole to him since he left her without a word of warning. (basically Geralt can be a dick in the books lol)
Have the game devs followed the book word for word? IMO a book is a book, a agame is a game. This vid is made w/o book facts. In the game there is no mentioning of all that.
Morte Yeah, the game has some differences from the book. But in general the games are very loyal to the books in my opinion (they are a sequel to them).
I have a really minor detail about Yennefer- it's my favourite though, very subtle. When she arrives in White Orchard outside the inn, there will be a shot of Geralt sniffing intercut between shots of Yennefer's outfit and the back of her head. Why is the sniffing important? BECAUSE HE'S SMELLING HER PERFUME OF LILAC AND GOOSEBERRIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geralt knows who it is before we know - and obviously we can't smell her, so that sniff is soooo important. But very easily missed.
Yes, that is also my favorite when we meet Yen for the first time!! Also, he sniffs her again in Kaer Trolde after teleporting back to her room at the inn and before they make love. He loves her scent. :)
@@Evieventer she wants to have a choice for it to be her will that decides if she wants kids or not . not the will of other mages Tissaia who btw is the the one that wrote the book which geralt reads
Cool i have 5 cats, one of them that i named Geralt, and a new little beautiful kity i named ciri. They started to get along actually.i just hope i wont have to look for that ciri for a long time😂😂
Yen has expressed regret over being infertile a few times in the books, thus why she’s so protective of Ciri. Much like how Geralt treats Ciri as his daughter, Yen acts like her mother. It’s why I prefer Yen over Triss. Yen just wants what’s best for Ciri, but Triss wants best for the Lodge and the Lodge wants to use Ciri as a tool (this personality trait of Triss has been omitted sadly by CDPR, preventing such conflict of interests in the games).
When I got my hand on the books that wasn't that obvious (i was a kid that time) but with time passing and FINALLY having time to play Witcher 3 years later, I'd say it's hard to say no to Triss but Yen is the right choice. Why? Because Triss is that pretty simple girl you fall in love the first time. A bit unresposible, still got that inner child in her, seems like fun. Yennefer on the other side is probably one of the few (or maybe even the only one) that fully understands Geralt and you know damn good from the start that's gonna make a fine relationship.
@@matheff71 I still have a Geralt and Yennefer wallpaper on my pc that's been there for years so i'm a little bias but their relationship, in my honest opinion, is the best ever done in video game history. I still like to imagine those 2 living happily ever after with Geralt taking on the odd job just for kicks.
To be fair for Triss (in the books) in the end she doesn't really put the Lodge's interests above everything else (it should be noted though that she wouldn't be able to change the course of Lodge's actions, since she would remain in a minority, Philipa remains among the most influential of them and basically those few sorceresses who are 'important' enough do what they please) and actually from the start she is conflicted about the Lodge's plans of using Ciri, in fact in later books she hides in the temple of Melitele in Ellander and avoids other members of the lodge for a while. Triss is also a bit idealistic, she has good intentions for the betterment of the world and sees the Lodge as a way to 'improve' the world (of course her idealism clashes with reality), Triss is one of the younger sorceresses and in books we see her moments of weakness and fear.
I actually believe you got number 2 spot on! In the book: ”The Last Wish“, one of the short stories/chapters of the same name is about Yennefer trying to harness the power of a djinn. We later learn that she wants the djinns power to make herself fertile again, and perhaps bear a child.
On my very first playthrough I thought Yen was harsh with Skall so I did the dialogue that showed concern for him and was blown away by her response, amazing writing. Yes absolutely Yen does want a child. On the PC version if you import a save from Witcher 2 having done the quest in Flotsom where you have to drink a mysterious potion from 2 scientists you can find a note outside Oxenfort Academy. The note says that the potion he took was experimental to counteract Witcher sterility and it appears to be successful. So there's hope for Yen and Geralt to be parents. Yen upgrading from just black and white, good for her. Love that you could ask Yen, Triss and Ciri about the scar but bizarre none seem that concerned despite knowing it might be seriously dark magic. Then again it's Geralt and he always survives. Great spot by your daughter. She may have cat eyes ;)
Yennefer tried multiple times, multiple methods in the books trying to carry a child (mostly implied), that's also partly why she was so protective of Ciri.
Here's my take about the books found in Yen's room. Yen is still finding every possible way to concieve, hence her search for the genie. But we all know (or at least to those who have read the books) how hard and dangerous it is to acquire one. I think Yen thought over on what wish she has to make, to be able to conceive or to know what's really in between her and Geralt. And as seen in the game, we know which one weighs more to her based on the wish she asked the genie to grant.
For the ones who´d like to know: The book "The poisoned source" you can find in "number two" in the video is actually an excerpt from the book Blood of Elves. It accompanies the start of the last chapter in the book where Yennefer educates Ciri in the temple in Ellander. And I think we all know - yes, Yennefer wants to have a child and hates it to not being able to. You can figure it out i.a. in the short story "the limits of possibility". Greetings to xLetalis and thank you for your videos I watch them with joy :)
@@xLetalis I see. I was curious when you mentioned church. Does that mean you have no religion at all? I like to visit historical churches etc. in Europe and personally, I don't have a religion.
Yennefer of Vengerberg is a difficult determined and beautiful woman. Strong, good and loyal with a difficult past and Ciri's mom. Team Yenn forever🖤, she is Geralt's true love. I'll probably get a lot of hate because I think Triss is a manipulator, but respect other people's opinions. I have read books and this is my opinion😌🖤🔮
Wow, your daughter is amazing! This feels like such a gift. I love the overlap of symbolism of Mary conceiving as a virgin, sort of similar to Yen who accepts Ciri as her child because she cannot conceive her own. Thank you for sharing this! It absolutely made my day.
When you say "It would be great if you consider to give a like to this video, of course if you liked it." It is so... Cute and nice I guess. It makes me smile everytime
The poisoned source probably pertains to Yennefers' mentor, the obsessive compulsive Tissaia Devries, who suggested that sorceresses should be sterile since kids borne by them inherited their magic and ends up mentally deranged. Women can either be sorceresses or mothers, but not both. And Yennefer, bemoaning the fact that she cannot bear children has tried ways to reverse that process, such as attempting to kill Villentretenmerth, but eventually helped him fight the Barefield folks.
The strange curvature on Yennefer’s wall is a golden ratio or a golden spiral. They occur frequently in nature and are used a lot in art especially in the renaissance era.
About 5. It's probably reference to Matka Boska Częstochowska. It's the most valuable relic in Poland. Poles worshipped this painting as early as XII century. When you pointed it out it's was my first thought.
yeah this was my thought as well when I saw it in the game, even the colours are very similar. Google Black Madonna Poland and the resemblance will be striking
About 2: Yes. She is interested. It is clearly stated in the books, its actually reason for many of her action. Because she is magician, she cannot have children, but despite she is constantly trying to cure herself (with no succes, but losing enormous amount of money in the process - to point, that she join expedition to kill dragon, to gain new founds). That dragon is btw. father of Saskia from Witcher 2
Here is my input on the dresses that appear in the house of Geralt. I believe there is kinda hint that depends on who ends up with Geralt, that the color of dress changes to fit the other lady (Triss has purple dress, which is very related to Yen's style (eyes and lilac perfume), While Yen is suggested green... which is kinda Triss type of colors (eyes and her clothes style) ). So to me it always felt like Geralt, or the girls themselves, trying to mimic one another. But maybe I'm reading WAY more into this XD
About the christian-icon-shaped tapestry in Yenn's room: the same pattern can be found in several other places around Skellige, sometimes looking a little different, but the ones that are the most "legible" show that it is, in fact, the stylized neck and head of a dragon or sea serpent. Some show its fully drawn/carved head breathing fire, for example on one of the buildings of the ruined houses on the shoes of the small lake where you (might) end up having to choose killing or not killing for the guy who helps you out of Lugos' jail, AKA possibly "the rarest quest". Also, its rather peculiar shape comes from the fact that it's, originally at least, a longship's headpiece pattern. So I guess the ressemblance with a christian icon is not intended here, as it clearly is a typical Norse element. :)
The way the letter Yen sends if you havn't romanced either her or Triss, is also a slightly nod to the books. Geralt when writing to her after some years begins with "My Dear Friend" and in classic Yen style her response is then lended with the word "friend".
Number 1 character* (I find her much more compelling than the Elder blooded Ciri, the fan favorite Triss, the great Geralt of fuckin' Rivia, Lambert, Vesemir etc.)
I see a comment saying the tapestry is some common Skellige art and another comment saying it's a serpent's head. Someone else must have already mentioned that it's actually a dragon's head. All bigger Skellige ships have it on their bows! Which is an allusion to drakkars of the Vikings of course. And yes, it's all over Skellige as art as well. On some tapestries the dragon even breathes out fire. But the association your daughter had is absolutely amazing! That's some real artistic vision! Thank you for your great videos!
I don't know about Triss or Dandelion, but Ciri will also go to sleep during the night cycle at Corvo Bianco. Ciri, though, goes upstairs to the guest room rather than sleeping in Geralt's bed.
It's a little bit strange...I mean there are so many things, contracts to do in the world, but Ciri only lay at Corvo Bianco? Till the world's end?🙃 I fought first she will disappear sometime or forever...but nooo. I mean it's good to see her but it isn't good for her career🙃 Also strange if I end with some of the girls. It's like I'm back again my dear! And I can ask you the same questions as yesterday, and just look how you sleep, lay or walk. 😂
Yen is a really great woman. She had an awful childhood and broken heart but she still can love. That's why in the books Yen did everything to save Geralt and Ciri. It's kinda sad that CD projekt added another romance as Triss and made an equality between Triss and Yen, because Yen is really important character in the books as mother of Ciri and Geralt's love. But I can understand them, Triss is really popular as cute character nowadays.
The opening scene depicting Yennifer as "the Horsewoman of War" , maybe a reference to the Morgan from Irish (and Celtic) mythology. Both are Raven haired, bringers of misfortune to warring armies.
Even tho I'm a little late, another thing you might've missed is that when Geralt says "Decide to blow us up?" , if you romance her i presume she says in a much less annoyed tone "Geralt I'm sorry I'm in no mood for jests" and in the one where you romanced Triss she says in a much more agitated and angered tone "Geralt I'm in no mood for jests! Especially dull ones..."
@@xLetalis It's written by Tissaia de Vries (Geralt says it in the dialog), the OCD sorceress that trained Yenefer. It was mentioned she was always very hard on Yen, and forced her to suppress her desires for a family harshly. She killed herself shortly before Ciri blew up that tower in the books. She was a minor character but I remember she was really interesting to me, because of the way OCD was portrayed.
On number 5, great pick up by your daughter. I've never noticed/paid attention to that tapestry on the wall, but there's really a connection between it and those Mary and Jesus paintings. But in this same video (I haven't checked in the game itself yet) you can notice the same tapestry in the common hall of the inn she's staying, so I wouldn't say it's a Yennefer thing, but some Skellige art.
You took the time to put the two different versions of the letter in the description of the video. I'm honestly amazed by your thoroughness, and your dedication to your craft and your audience. Subscribed. Keep up the good work.
I really like how they emphasized "Your friend Yennefer" in the non-romantic letter. In the book there was something almost exactly the same, when she took an effort to use this exact words in the letter :)
In the first short story book there’s actually a hilarious letter Yen writes to Geralt It’s after Geralt and Yen broke up for the first time, and Geralt was wondering how to start his letter to her so to be safe he started with “Dear Friend”, and in her reply Yennefer mocks him by including the phrase “your dear friend” at nearly every sentence (I was glad you were able to contact me, your dear friend, because we are friends etc) This might be a reference to that
There’s also an easter egg about game of thrones is toussaint, when i passed the locals in beauclair, she said that “my brother gave me a sword and i called it needle”, sorry for my english
are you sure cause in my play through she always cussed at her crystal being destroyed, and i have been 1000% faithful to yen and never broke her heart.
Ege Özdemir yeah, but she won’t wear the dress. Go upstairs after you renovated the guest room. As soon as you get the chance to renovate the whole house, it’ll be placed there. You have a choice to move in a character from a side quest. So, this dress may belong to her as she can be moved in before Yen.
Dude! I just found a cool thing i missed in Skellige. After you help Udalryk get rid of the Hym, you can find the baby in a room of Udalryks house sleeping in his crib! Thats something i never would have thought to look for so it cought me off guard :D
Hi there! I've actually read the books and can help with the infertility bit. Yennefer's entire quest is to become fertile again and have a child. She states very openly in the books that she wants one, but is incapable of it. She envies mothers able to have children and is incredibly depressed because she can't have any of her own. This is why she clings so dearly to Ciri, because Ciri is the closest thing she's ever going to have to a child. She goes through many, many trials in the book to try and remedy her infertility issue, but none work and any that promise it cost so dearly it's intimidating.
I chose Yen on my first playthrough and felt bad about denying Triss at the docks but then I chose Triss on my second and felt devastated at Yen’s reaction with being denied on Last Wish. Yen doesn’t showcase her vulnerability very often but when she does, boy oh boy does it hit hard! Why can’t Geralt just have both?!!! 😐
In the books, magic users, as witchers can't have children, and Yen suffers a lot from that.Thus the motherly relation she shares with Ciri, which she raised from some time. I love how details like that are scattered all over the game. Almost every detail of the books are hinted at one way or another through the 3 games. It's trully one of the best adaptation of all time.
@@ChunLo21 ive read the first 4 books so far and nothing is mentioned about yennefer looking to "cure" herself or have a child. when she trains ciri at the temple of melitele, they grow fond of each other but they definitely don't like each other when they first meet... so im confused by your comment.
the thing that looks like an icon depicting the godmather is actually a snake, it can be found all across skellige, in each village, it happends that in the interiors it doesn't have a tongue, but on the outside, when it's carvings on the wood, I guess, it's complete with all the details and it's clear as day that it's a snake, not some sort of a hint to the orthodoxy
Yen has Ciri who she calls “my daughter” in the books. If it was anyone else I’d say they want children but she has a daughter who she loves enough to commit double suicide with Geralt for ciri’s sake.
@@xLetalis man i have been watching your content for like 3 straight days and knowing that you have a daughter made me smile Thank you for everything you did on this channel
acording to the books, the thing that she regrets the most is to not be able of having kids. She desires to be a mum more than anything, and in some way she is looking that to happen, but she is sterile and Geralt as well... the only way that she discovers to be a mum is with Ciri, she adopted Ciri when she was 11-12 years old and treated and loved her as her own daughter. At the beggining of finding Ciri, they lived together with Geralt as a regular family, and those where the happiest days of her life... sorry for my english, im spanish and im still learning xD
@@xLetalis I'm sure you remember, but I feel it necessary to say, that I truly hope there are easter eggs in Cyberpunk 2077 regarding Ciri. After all, she visited there once. 😎
According to the books Yennefer is "depressed" because of her infertility and is looking for ways to be able to have a child. That's why she's such a mother hen to Ciri.
but even then, gerald is infertile too :/
I was looking for this comment :)
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I bet Yennefer dosn't care about his "status", seeing how often she cucked him in the books
#TeamTriss
@@Cainite only early, triss is traitor #TeamYen
@@Cainite whahaha. Believe me. Triss is worse than Yen. Read the books, mate
"My 4 year old daughter... who's name escapes me."
"Please let me know your name in the comment"
@@BenedictGS You guys just made my day XD
Hahahahahaha
LMAO!
Hahahaha! This proved we're a fan of xLetalis!
Can we just appreciate how... Happy, Geralt looks at the end of Blood and Wine? When he's talking to Yen (or Triss) in the garden it's a look of genuine fulfilment and it's amazing. Also why I consider Geralt semi-retiring canon and no one will convince me otherwise. Geralt deserves to rest
Indeed, I too lean that way
In the last book, Geralt planned to retire and live with the yennefer, this is what he wanted .... it was not possible because of the trajectory .. so you are not wrong here ..
But we need a new game
@@betinamary4048 In the book Yen was made for Geralt from first beginning,other women more like a decoration,it is all up to the writer,which is cool.But in game it is always nice to have more choice and divergent for player,so game is game,book is book,I gonna say,both Yen an Triss are well made character in game,that makes Witcher always the master work one way or another.
But still after ending game In corvo buanco I make him wear the most kinky sets and fight Beclauir guards.
I actually romanced Yen and she still yelled at the megascope when it exploded
yes turns out i was wrong
Geralt's flat "uh-oh" to himself is such a fantastic line. :D
Me too.
"Don't get mad, but....." That's the only dialogue option I never took once in the entire game.
Might as well say "get mad". Also sex. Cant say no to Yen.
What about Bow for the Emporor or whatever leeds to Ciri dying?
@@VinfinityKendov i bow, i let ciri die, but i never miss the chance to bang yen
It almost physically hurt me watching this video at that point.
@@VinfinityKendov why does bowing lead to death of Ciri?
I don't care what anyone says, the cutest scene in the whole game is when Geralt and Yen are eavesdropping on Ciri's meeting outside the door all sneaky and concerned. Anyone who would knowingly tear apart this little family dynamic is a monster! I have always and will always choose Yennefer.
it is cute ;]
Agree
"Anyone who would knowingly tear apart this little family dynamic is a monster" ... Hey now! I am definitely team Yennifer, but I wouldn't call Triss a monster ... *smirk*
@@russellwatkins854 Well she does have *MONSTROUS* breas- uhh...I mean eyes. ;)
Chose Triss out of pure curiosity;regretted it immediately
I love Yen's letter in Blood and Wine if you romanced her. She's so passionately in love with Geralt but she expresses it so stiffly and formally in little things like "take extraordinarily good care of yourself" and "your Yen".Absolutely melted my heart and I'm glad it's substantially different from the non-romance letter.
indeed
Spoken like a true sub and toxic relationship lover
And the “Dearest” instead of “Dear Friend,” which is a book reference that I love.
@@wraithyoshidj6702 nice troll
@@Tall-Hobbit go play a couple more play throughs, I can tell u didn't understand much
Found a small detail in Vizima. After you're done talking to her, she opens up a portal to go to Skellige, you can actually run through that portal and get teleported into the room nextdoor. Geralt even gives his "I hate portals" line
Yeah I think I've included it in a video or 2 but never properly mentioned it :) I'll probably do a Details in Vizima video at some point!
I just for that yesterday lol
Geralt's own mother was one of the rare sorceresses who was able to have children.
@nik Bahtin it's due to magic I think
@nik Bahtin it's due to a decree by Archmage Tissasia, a very prominent figure in the wizarding world. She listed numerous occasions and examples of women who had magical talent but received no training in regards to it. This led to very damaging mental and physical effects on said woman, on top of which, they could pass to their own children, how ever they're conceived. She was very concerned with the chain of events that would transpire from these untrained women degenerating into insane shells who would then copulate and spread the problem further. As such, she stated that women must make a choice, "you must decide: to be a sorceress or a mother, you cannot be both." She would then request that all apprentices be sterilized without exception. This can be seen in "Blood of the Elves," page 225. Hope this answered your question! :)
nik Bahtin I have only read The Last Wish and The Sword of Destiny, and have only played The Witcher 3, but my take on this is that they might not know what they are getting themselves into? For example, Istredd says he was pouring over scrolls from a young age, training hard to become a sourcerer etc. so possibly sorceresses like Yen do the same. Maybe they accept the infertility at a time when they do not want children, but later in life some might yearn for it.
Also, if you read The Last Wish, most sorceresses become sorceresses because of defects. For example, Geralt knew when he first saw Yen that she had a hunched back. Maybe because they weren’t loved before they “fixed” themselves that they never thought of the opportunity of children, but after “fixing” themselves they were loved and wanted children.
nik Bahtin It’s said in The Last Wish that most become sorceresses because they are un-marryable, usually due to being ugly or some defect. Once they become sorceresses, they use their magic to fix themselves. In The Sword if Destiny, Dandelion comments on how even though Yen is quite old, her skin looks like a 16 year old’s from all the cream/ointment she applies or something along those lines
@nik Bahtin If I remember right, it's because the use of magic cause atrophy to the ovaries and womb
In the books Yen wants to find a way to become a mother. If I remember correctly, it is revealed in the first book, 'The last wish'. This is why she loves Ciri so much later, because she is the daughter Yen can't have. In the games they don't share that close relationship (in the books Ciri called Yen her mother), so it's possible, that the in-game Yen still wants to have a child.
They have a really close relationship in the game, yen and geralt were like her parents
Yes, they have close relationship both in the game and the books, but in the games Geralt is the only one who really act like Ciri was his daughter. As I recall, the only moment when Yen seems like Ciri's mother is the scene in Kaer Morhen, when she hugs her. Most of the time it's like they are only close friends. The game focuses Geralt's and Yen's, or Geralt's and Ciri's relationship instead. But I think this is not bad, as Ciri has grown up since they last met.
@@kirakovacs4877 And even this scene is only for the polish speaking people great to understand. In every other translation Yennfer do not call Ciri daughter
@Kíra Kovács And in games Ciri's like.. huhh.. who are you? towards yen most of the time... And in books she announces that her name is Cirilla of Vengerberg daughter of Yennefer.. and to geralts frustration she never calls him father.. They completely ignored all of that to not to upset triss fans.. and also at the end of book Yen and Triss ends up becoming really good friends. again that got thrown out of windows at the very beginning of witcher game. Yen always considered Triss as a family not just a friend.
@@gwynbleidd7935 Yes, the game forgot many things. For example in the books only a few people knew that Ciri is the daughter of Emhyr by blood. In the games everyone knew it. And there is no mention of the false Ciri. Also, according to the books, Voohris becomes emperor after Emhyr, so it's like a 'false ending' if Ciri becomes empress at the end of the game. And Geralt and Yen marry at the end of the books on the island where Ciri left them, so the Triss-love-storyline is also somewhat false. But I think we can forgive these mistakes, because this way the game is more interesting
This level of dedication and passion to mostly unnotable details in a world with well-written characters are the foundation to become legend.
That's why CDPR is loved by its customers... a grasp, EA will never capable of.
true
This aged like milk
@@andybuckthorn8042 who would have expected that level of crunch.
But I love a well aged cheese =)
@@1_2_die2 believe most of the Witcher 3 devs are working on Dying Light 2. Hope it's good.
EA: Who’s laughing now b!tch?
The Icon in Yens room is „Matka Boska Częstochowska” which is Mother Mary of Częstochowa in Poland. She is the patron of Poland.
Maybe that's what it's based on - which would be a very nice nod - but: If you look around Skellige you can find several versions of this painting (tapestry?) in different houses etc and most have fire inside, making it much more obvious that it's supposed to be a dragon.
I'm guessing they are depicting different kinds of Dragon and since not all Dragons in the Witcher Vers are said to have been breathing fire, the once without the flames are probably supposed to be one of those kinds. I have a screen shot which clearly shows what I mean, but unfortunately can't post it here. :/
It's "Our Lady of Częstochowa" icon, to be exact.
Fakt.
Also called "Black Madonna" - the dark skin she have, is actually result of smoke from burning candles.
Yennefer's issue with the whole maternity thing, is actually a big theme in the saga. The games live a lot of hints about it, the books are a lot more explicit about it (of course).
To stick with the game, though, you can clearly guess the game that she always wanted to have, and to be a lot of her.
I always found a kind of funny that Ciri is a mixture of both Yennefer and Geralt traits, pishically and also temperamentally, it makes the relationship between the three more believable.
I think in the game they may have put those books in her room like a reference to the saga, since like you said she always wanted to be a mother, quite obsessed actually.
She only stops chasing this after meeting Ciri, so I believe the books are more about her old self
There are also stories about witches who got pregnant one of them was even Visenna Geralts mother.
And Ciri was considered a source before they began calling her child of the elder blood so I guess the book is connected to all of them?
Ciri was deliberately designed to be a mix of them.
I ended terribly in love with Yennefer at the end. By far my favourite character. Thank you!!! Awesome series!!!
Also, the first time i stalked Yennefer into the bedroom i found her sleeping wearing only underwear. Now she sleeps full dressed. 😕
3:55 If you read the books you'll also notice that it references a letter that Geralt wrote to Yen, not knowing how to address her at the end. As they were not together at this time, he ends with with "your friend Geralt". This infuriates Yen and her passive scathing reply is ended as such as well.
One of my favorite parts of the books. Her letter is excellent. The “dear friend” over and over again and how she’s “honored to be your second choice” 😂
"Your Yen" my heart explode all the time i read that
I was actually surprised that you weren't able to ask Walter O'Dimm to make Yennefer fertile. I can only imagine Geralt going to her and being like "Hey Yennefer I found The Man in Black, chased him across the desert and got him to give me a wish, I wished for a bottomless cup of vodka."
Well it wouldn't make sense becouse i would be still sterile
And thats fucked up
Walter O'Dimm? =)))
What the fuck is Walter Odimm lmao
Did you mean my boy Gaunter?
@@elvandar1419 Walter O'Dimm. He's an evil wizard who pretends to be god and grants people wishes which lead to their demise. The nemisis of Roland the Gunslinger. Then he shows up in the hearts of stone DLC and hires Geralt to claim a soul. Have none of you read the Dark Tower?
I think you are the first and last person to reject Yen's sexual advances xD You took one for the team, proud of you!
that's why I'm here :)
He isn't the first or last.
The drunk scene is too good to miss though.
@@LukeSparrow221 The drunk scene will come too if you not sleep with Yen
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Oh for real? I thought the whole dress up with Lambert and Co only happened if you declined Yennefer.
You can find that mother & child tapestry in pretty much every Skelligan home. I think there were even some in Kaer Trolde. It most likely has something to do with Freya. Since Yen was staying in a Skelligan tavern, I imagine the tavern owner hung the tapestry there, kind of like how every American hotel has a bible in the nightstand. I do think it has at least some relation to motherhood though, since one of Freya's three forms is a pregnant woman.
I love Yen so much that I don’t even try to annoy or bother her, she’s a good character and has some flaws, which makes her even more human. ❤️
But originally she was ugly as f*ck. Triss not..
Yennefer wanting children is an underlying theme of her character in the books. Her first appearance is a short story of her trying to catch a Djinn precisely as in those hints in the game. Also what she does for Ciri and Geralt is essentially her being the protective mother of her adoptive daughter. Regardless of her being with Geralt at the time or not, she endures a year of imprisonment and torture for Ciri after Geralt essentially badgered her into taking her in as a ward to learn magic. By comparison Triss is just the young aunt who may care for Ciri like a sister, but does not do anything selfless like that to protect her. She usually takes the convenient way out to defer to more powerful sorceresses counsel.
Arguably the main theme of the entire fantasy series is about dysfunctional people seeking comfort and love for each other.
After watching literally hundreds of your videos it actually amazes me that you can be so thorough that you find all these things 70% of all player have completely missed or not paid attention to. Truly a next level completionist and/or a passionate gamer?
Rather a passionate gamer, i've never been too much of a completionist.
I was today years old, when I found out that Gaunter O’Dim initials are GOD
O’dim is also the name of the man in black on Stephen King’s Dark Tower series. I became suspicious of the man just by that name alone the first time i played, and was overjoyed when i found out he was more than meets the eye
and then you get his nickname, master mirror. and the mirror image of god is ...... *-dog-* satan
OH
You might've also missed that UMA who is also abbreviation of Ugliest Man Alive ; )
yet we love that monstrosity*
I know you said you aren't going to dive into the books, but considering such a big part of this video is you wondering if Yen wants a child of her own, I feel obliged to answer. The answer is crystal clear in the books. Yes, Yen does want to have a child of her own. Not only that, but she wants a child with Geralt, specifically. It seems like fate double-crosses her, because not only is
she, herself, incapable of having children because of the use of magic(or maybe because some sorceresses get sterilized as part of becoming sorceresses), but Geralt is also infertile, like all the other witchers. At various parts, both Yen and Geralt wonder, how it would've been, if they met and they were both normally fertile and what kind of life they could have together.
In the Sword of Destiny book, she and Geralt also speak to a golden dragon, Villentretenmerth, that they help save from a group of soldiers, dragon slayers, magicians, etc. I think the story goes so: Villentretenmerth is a golden dragon and is also incapable of having children(maybe because he was the last golden dragon and there were no other golden dragons left for him to reproduce with, or maybe golden dragons just can't reproduce). He defends a dragoness with a baby and I think that that baby dragon isn't his. It later turns out that that baby dragon grows up to be Saesenthesis/Saskia(from The Witcher 2) and that she got the ability to turn from a human to dragon from her father, Villentretenmerth, but not completely, because Villentretenmerth can turn into anything, but he did, besides dragons, love humans the most and turned into a human most often, so that's the trait Saskia/Saesenthesis inherits/learns/gets from him. ANYWAYS, this suggests to me either that the baby dragon was still, in fact, his biological daughter, or that in the Witcher world, certain traits can transfer to children non-genetically, if the bond is a genuine parent-child bond. Well, Villentretenmerth says in the Sword of Destiny, that he sees that baby dragon as his continuation...that, even though he can't biologically have kids, this baby dragon will be his legacy and continuation of his spirit, so basically still his real, own child. And that HEAVILY foreshadows Ciri. Remember, she hasn't yet been mentioned in the books by this time, if I remember correctly. But the exact same thing happens with Ciri, Geralt and Yen, as does with Villentretenmerth and Saskia/Saesenthesis. Ciri is meant to be Geralt's destiny...she is bound to him by the law of surprise TWICE. And Yen's fate is bound to Geralt's fate as per his last wish to the Djinn from the book The Last Wish(with that last wish, he saves Yen, but also makes both of them fall in unbreakable love with each other). So basically, Geralt, Yen and Ciri are a destiny and fate bound family. Ciri even looks like she was Geralt's child. And she forms a genuine mother-daughter bond with Yen. Yen sees Ciri as her own child. That's why she's so protective, but also, why she's so rude and inconsiderate to others in certain cases, in The Witcher 3. It's literally her child, that's being chased by the whole world of kings, emperors and a transdimensional demon army. I wouldn't have time to be excessively polite to random people either, if my daughter was in such danger and time was running out. Ciri is Geralt and Yen's continuation and legacy. Like Saskia/Saesenthesis is Villentretenmerth's continuation and legacy. A real, true child of theirs in every way but genetics. Yen might still want more children, though. But that excerpt from that book that you mention in secret #2 is literally, word for word, taken from the book Blood of Elves, which is used to explain that Yen is infertile and how that's the biggest tragedy of Yen's life.
Just finished that book and I agree on what you are saying. The books are really good btw.
Btw the Sorceresses are not infertile because of magic. It's because like normal woman, Sorceresses run out of eggs, something that magic cannot fix. Sorcerers on the other hand are fertile, because men produce sperm throughout their entire life.
@@starslayer1493 Nenneke says Yen's ovaries have attrophied due to the use of magic(I don't remember specifically, maybe it's because of certain kind of magic or overuse of magic or something like that) and neither Yen nor Geralt object to that. If I'm not mistaken, even Triss is infertile, but she's around 30 years old, which is still a completely fertile age.
@@starslayer1493 Aren't sorceresses older than they look? The use magic to look younger. However the reason Yennefer is part of the group that is hunting for the golden dragon is that she believes the golden skin will be enough payment for an operation to make her fertile. Or that is at least how I interpreted that part of the book.
@@smusk2006 Yeah they do. Except maybe Triss, but she may still look a decade or so younger than what she is.
5:38 Actually Yennefer says in the book Sword Of Destiny that she wants a cure for her infertility and, if I'm not mistaken, that she always dreamed of being a mother.
And Geralt mentions it in The Last Wish book. While talking to nennake
A little extra for those non readers, she wants Geralt to help her try to find a cure for her infertility and he refuses since she had basically been an asshole to him since he left her without a word of warning. (basically Geralt can be a dick in the books lol)
That's why he said before the video started "No books, no former games, just TW3" ;)
Have the game devs followed the book word for word? IMO a book is a book, a agame is a game. This vid is made w/o book facts. In the game there is no mentioning of all that.
Morte Yeah, the game has some differences from the book. But in general the games are very loyal to the books in my opinion (they are a sequel to them).
I have a really minor detail about Yennefer- it's my favourite though, very subtle.
When she arrives in White Orchard outside the inn, there will be a shot of Geralt sniffing intercut between shots of Yennefer's outfit and the back of her head.
Why is the sniffing important?
BECAUSE HE'S SMELLING HER PERFUME OF LILAC AND GOOSEBERRIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Geralt knows who it is before we know - and obviously we can't smell her, so that sniff is soooo important. But very easily missed.
I thought that was pretty obvious lol
Yes, that is also my favorite when we meet Yen for the first time!! Also, he sniffs her again in Kaer Trolde after teleporting back to her room at the inn and before they make love. He loves her scent. :)
@@celticbabs3105 Whaaat! I missed that! I need to watch the cinematic now (or play the game again...)
@@chikirin9349 I never heard or saw someone point it out/make a gif of it, so eh, I thought it was missed out detail.
He also fingers her toiletries
Yennefer does want children, it’s a big part of her character in the book.
She doesn't even want kids, just to be able to have them is what I got from it.
@@DanielDroegeShow what would be the point of that? That’s like, the worst part of having kids lol
@@Evieventer she wants to have a choice for it to be her will that decides if she wants kids or not . not the will of other mages Tissaia who btw is the the one that wrote the book which geralt reads
well to bad cause witchers can’t sire children
imagine what the flow chart of all of the dialogue for this entire game would look like?
insane ;]
I liked how you tried to burn the off white dress as soon as you saw it XD
:D
rofl
again wow! just wow! 3 years after its release there are still some hidden gems in this game!
"the poisoned source" is actually an excerpt from one of the books (blood of elves) and is a citation of Tissaia, Yennefer's mentor
yep
I’ve always romanced Yen, huge fan of the couple, and she ALWAYS yelled at the megascope anyway. I played three or four times already.
i named my 2 month old cat Yen, shes dark and brown and the cutest ever.
hehe nice
Cool i have 5 cats, one of them that i named Geralt, and a new little beautiful kity i named ciri. They started to get along actually.i just hope i wont have to look for that ciri for a long time😂😂
Yen has expressed regret over being infertile a few times in the books, thus why she’s so protective of Ciri. Much like how Geralt treats Ciri as his daughter, Yen acts like her mother.
It’s why I prefer Yen over Triss. Yen just wants what’s best for Ciri, but Triss wants best for the Lodge and the Lodge wants to use Ciri as a tool (this personality trait of Triss has been omitted sadly by CDPR, preventing such conflict of interests in the games).
there is no 'acts like' Geralt literally gives up a knighthood to get back on the trail ov Ciri.
When I got my hand on the books that wasn't that obvious (i was a kid that time) but with time passing and FINALLY having time to play Witcher 3 years later, I'd say it's hard to say no to Triss but Yen is the right choice. Why? Because Triss is that pretty simple girl you fall in love the first time. A bit unresposible, still got that inner child in her, seems like fun. Yennefer on the other side is probably one of the few (or maybe even the only one) that fully understands Geralt and you know damn good from the start that's gonna make a fine relationship.
@@matheff71 I still have a Geralt and Yennefer wallpaper on my pc that's been there for years so i'm a little bias but their relationship, in my honest opinion, is the best ever done in video game history. I still like to imagine those 2 living happily ever after with Geralt taking on the odd job just for kicks.
To be fair for Triss (in the books) in the end she doesn't really put the Lodge's interests above everything else (it should be noted though that she wouldn't be able to change the course of Lodge's actions, since she would remain in a minority, Philipa remains among the most influential of them and basically those few sorceresses who are 'important' enough do what they please) and actually from the start she is conflicted about the Lodge's plans of using Ciri, in fact in later books she hides in the temple of Melitele in Ellander and avoids other members of the lodge for a while. Triss is also a bit idealistic, she has good intentions for the betterment of the world and sees the Lodge as a way to 'improve' the world (of course her idealism clashes with reality), Triss is one of the younger sorceresses and in books we see her moments of weakness and fear.
Yeah, thats why i chose yen over triss, she was the one making everything on her reach to protect our beloved ciri
I actually believe you got number 2 spot on! In the book: ”The Last Wish“, one of the short stories/chapters of the same name is about Yennefer trying to harness the power of a djinn. We later learn that she wants the djinns power to make herself fertile again, and perhaps bear a child.
On my very first playthrough I thought Yen was harsh with Skall so I did the dialogue that showed concern for him and was blown away by her response, amazing writing.
Yes absolutely Yen does want a child. On the PC version if you import a save from Witcher 2 having done the quest in Flotsom where you have to drink a mysterious potion from 2 scientists you can find a note outside Oxenfort Academy. The note says that the potion he took was experimental to counteract Witcher sterility and it appears to be successful. So there's hope for Yen and Geralt to be parents.
Yen upgrading from just black and white, good for her.
Love that you could ask Yen, Triss and Ciri about the scar but bizarre none seem that concerned despite knowing it might be seriously dark magic. Then again it's Geralt and he always survives.
Great spot by your daughter. She may have cat eyes ;)
yeah, she spots details easily, always surprises me when we watch a movie together
Wtf man it's been like 3 years already and there's always something new for me to know about The Witcher 3 world.
:) Great, isn't it
Even three years after starting the Witcher 3 I still find new details with every playthrough. Just Amazing.
Kids are better than adults at recognizing loose visual patterns.
Yennefer tried multiple times, multiple methods in the books trying to carry a child (mostly implied), that's also partly why she was so protective of Ciri.
Game is almost 4 years old and there's always something new, like the dialogue sequence. Amazing. Tks for bring this up!
you're welcome ;]
yen cant have children but can clone herself... good enough 15:47
well...even if its a clone you would not not take the second one to bed.
@@raythetiger7701 both 🤔
Never enough dual-Yen
Here's my take about the books found in Yen's room. Yen is still finding every possible way to concieve, hence her search for the genie. But we all know (or at least to those who have read the books) how hard and dangerous it is to acquire one. I think Yen thought over on what wish she has to make, to be able to conceive or to know what's really in between her and Geralt. And as seen in the game, we know which one weighs more to her based on the wish she asked the genie to grant.
For the ones who´d like to know:
The book "The poisoned source" you can find in "number two" in the video is actually an excerpt from the book Blood of Elves.
It accompanies the start of the last chapter in the book where Yennefer educates Ciri in the temple in Ellander.
And I think we all know - yes, Yennefer wants to have a child and hates it to not being able to. You can figure it out i.a. in the short story "the limits of possibility".
Greetings to xLetalis and thank you for your videos I watch them with joy :)
There's one video I didn't think I would make but there we go! I hope you guys enjoy watching it as much as I enjoyed making it :)
I assume you're religious correct?
Nice video! Most of answers for your questions about Yen are in books, I really recommend reading them ;)
When Yen and Geralt first meet she tried to capture a Jin to have it make her fertil.
Are you asking me @Milan? If so, i'm not.
@@xLetalis I see. I was curious when you mentioned church. Does that mean you have no religion at all? I like to visit historical churches etc. in Europe and personally, I don't have a religion.
Amazing how you keep finding content for the witcher 3 after 4 years. Just goes to show how good this game is.
indeed
Yennefer of Vengerberg is a difficult determined and beautiful woman. Strong, good and loyal with a difficult past and Ciri's mom. Team Yenn forever🖤, she is Geralt's true love. I'll probably get a lot of hate because I think Triss is a manipulator, but respect other people's opinions. I have read books and this is my opinion😌🖤🔮
Wow, your daughter is amazing! This feels like such a gift. I love the overlap of symbolism of Mary conceiving as a virgin, sort of similar to Yen who accepts Ciri as her child because she cannot conceive her own. Thank you for sharing this! It absolutely made my day.
You're welcome :)
When you say "It would be great if you consider to give a like to this video, of course if you liked it." It is so... Cute and nice I guess. It makes me smile everytime
thanks I guess :)
The poisoned source probably pertains to Yennefers' mentor, the obsessive compulsive Tissaia Devries, who suggested that sorceresses should be sterile since kids borne by them inherited their magic and ends up mentally deranged. Women can either be sorceresses or mothers, but not both. And Yennefer, bemoaning the fact that she cannot bear children has tried ways to reverse that process, such as attempting to kill Villentretenmerth, but eventually helped him fight the Barefield folks.
The poisoned source is actually an excerpt from the book blood of elves and is a citation of Tissaia
The strange curvature on Yennefer’s wall is a golden ratio or a golden spiral. They occur frequently in nature and are used a lot in art especially in the renaissance era.
About 5. It's probably reference to Matka Boska Częstochowska. It's the most valuable relic in Poland. Poles worshipped this painting as early as XII century. When you pointed it out it's was my first thought.
interesting
yeah this was my thought as well when I saw it in the game, even the colours are very similar. Google Black Madonna Poland and the resemblance will be striking
About 2:
Yes. She is interested. It is clearly stated in the books, its actually reason for many of her action. Because she is magician, she cannot have children, but despite she is constantly trying to cure herself (with no succes, but losing enormous amount of money in the process - to point, that she join expedition to kill dragon, to gain new founds).
That dragon is btw. father of Saskia from Witcher 2
Here is my input on the dresses that appear in the house of Geralt. I believe there is kinda hint that depends on who ends up with Geralt, that the color of dress changes to fit the other lady (Triss has purple dress, which is very related to Yen's style (eyes and lilac perfume), While Yen is suggested green... which is kinda Triss type of colors (eyes and her clothes style) ). So to me it always felt like Geralt, or the girls themselves, trying to mimic one another. But maybe I'm reading WAY more into this XD
hah, good thinking!
That's actually quite interesting 🤔
About the christian-icon-shaped tapestry in Yenn's room: the same pattern can be found in several other places around Skellige, sometimes looking a little different, but the ones that are the most "legible" show that it is, in fact, the stylized neck and head of a dragon or sea serpent. Some show its fully drawn/carved head breathing fire, for example on one of the buildings of the ruined houses on the shoes of the small lake where you (might) end up having to choose killing or not killing for the guy who helps you out of Lugos' jail, AKA possibly "the rarest quest". Also, its rather peculiar shape comes from the fact that it's, originally at least, a longship's headpiece pattern. So I guess the ressemblance with a christian icon is not intended here, as it clearly is a typical Norse element. :)
The way the letter Yen sends if you havn't romanced either her or Triss, is also a slightly nod to the books. Geralt when writing to her after some years begins with "My Dear Friend" and in classic Yen style her response is then lended with the word "friend".
Ah Yenn, the number 1 woman in the series
Not even close
@jaca van heesch even Jon Snow knows more than you do, mate
Shani best
Number 1 character* (I find her much more compelling than the Elder blooded Ciri, the fan favorite Triss, the great Geralt of fuckin' Rivia, Lambert, Vesemir etc.)
Also books
Te garden scene: You can decide to not ask Yennefer at all how she's feeling. She will have yet another dialogue for that.
I see a comment saying the tapestry is some common Skellige art and another comment saying it's a serpent's head. Someone else must have already mentioned that it's actually a dragon's head. All bigger Skellige ships have it on their bows! Which is an allusion to drakkars of the Vikings of course. And yes, it's all over Skellige as art as well. On some tapestries the dragon even breathes out fire.
But the association your daughter had is absolutely amazing! That's some real artistic vision!
Thank you for your great videos!
I'm going to play it again for the fourth time, but I wish it was my first time and didnt know how Great the game is
I don't know about Triss or Dandelion, but Ciri will also go to sleep during the night cycle at Corvo Bianco. Ciri, though, goes upstairs to the guest room rather than sleeping in Geralt's bed.
It will be kind of weird otherwise...
I wish ciri slept in my bed ;)
It's a little bit strange...I mean there are so many things, contracts to do in the world, but Ciri only lay at Corvo Bianco? Till the world's end?🙃 I fought first she will disappear sometime or forever...but nooo. I mean it's good to see her but it isn't good for her career🙃
Also strange if I end with some of the girls.
It's like I'm back again my dear! And I can ask you the same questions as yesterday, and just look how you sleep, lay or walk. 😂
Yen is a really great woman. She had an awful childhood and broken heart but she still can love. That's why in the books Yen did everything to save Geralt and Ciri. It's kinda sad that CD projekt added another romance as Triss and made an equality between Triss and Yen, because Yen is really important character in the books as mother of Ciri and Geralt's love. But I can understand them, Triss is really popular as cute character nowadays.
The opening scene depicting Yennifer as "the Horsewoman of War" , maybe a reference to the Morgan from Irish (and Celtic) mythology. Both are Raven haired, bringers of misfortune to warring armies.
How about the guy that Yennefer bumps into the intro cinematic? I think it is definitely the guy Geralt hangs in the Killing Monsters trailer
investigation is required ;]
It is him
Your daughter is a genius.
Even tho I'm a little late, another thing you might've missed is that when Geralt says "Decide to blow us up?" , if you romance her i presume she says in a much less annoyed tone "Geralt I'm sorry I'm in no mood for jests" and in the one where you romanced Triss she says in a much more agitated and angered tone "Geralt I'm in no mood for jests! Especially dull ones..."
nice catch
I was honestly shocked when I finally saw the figures your daughter pointed out. Really creative of her to draw that connection from
negative space!
Actually Geralt's mother was a sorceress
And he meets her in the books.
Leonardo Bruno o yeah, it was very emotional moment
hey could you two lovely gentleman give me the title of the book in wich he meets her? I would certanly love to read that
@@sirweebs2914 Book is Sword of Destiny if i remember correctly.
I'm pretty sure that "The Poisoned Source" is taken from the books
definitely
Yennefer wants kids. It's explicitely said in the books.
@@xLetalis It's written by Tissaia de Vries (Geralt says it in the dialog), the OCD sorceress that trained Yenefer. It was mentioned she was always very hard on Yen, and forced her to suppress her desires for a family harshly. She killed herself shortly before Ciri blew up that tower in the books. She was a minor character but I remember she was really interesting to me, because of the way OCD was portrayed.
On number 5, great pick up by your daughter. I've never noticed/paid attention to that tapestry on the wall, but there's really a connection between it and those Mary and Jesus paintings. But in this same video (I haven't checked in the game itself yet) you can notice the same tapestry in the common hall of the inn she's staying, so I wouldn't say it's a Yennefer thing, but some Skellige art.
being able to notice something like that at 4 years old is really amazing. you should be proud of your daughter , she has potential
I am ;]
I LOVE how you are still uploading about this amazing game 4 years after it published
yeah, that's why I'm doing it, because it's amazing
Keep em coming!!
Edit : Also... Yeah Yen wants a child and she yearns to have 1 hence she adopted Ciri as hers. Said so in the books.
I knew it, even though I haven't read them
@@xLetalis What???? You need to read them. Like fr fr
She even has a conversation with Melitele in the Books :D
Swear to God your daughter probably has her own "ladies of the woods" soundtrack playing whenever she's present 🧐
You took the time to put the two different versions of the letter in the description of the video. I'm honestly amazed by your thoroughness, and your dedication to your craft and your audience. Subscribed. Keep up the good work.
thank you :)
You promised me and...😢😢
You kept you word😍😍 Thank you. I continue watching your video after learning math xD
Yup, yup. He's a cool dude. 😁
"I always keep my word"
-- The Witch of Lynx Crag
When you are going to the feast in Skellige, she says you that you could shave, but when you come to her shaved, she says you the same thing.
What? I don't remember that at all. From what I remember she asked Geralt where he go the idea from to grow a beard and that she likes it.
@@ss-nz5sr s s But when they were waiting before the entrance, she said that he could at least shaved his beard, when is the feast.
1: she is a satanist, thus I chose Triss over her
lol
I really like how they emphasized "Your friend Yennefer" in the non-romantic letter. In the book there was something almost exactly the same, when she took an effort to use this exact words in the letter :)
In the first short story book there’s actually a hilarious letter Yen writes to Geralt
It’s after Geralt and Yen broke up for the first time, and Geralt was wondering how to start his letter to her so to be safe he started with “Dear Friend”, and in her reply Yennefer mocks him by including the phrase “your dear friend” at nearly every sentence (I was glad you were able to contact me, your dear friend, because we are friends etc)
This might be a reference to that
@@redrevolver4970 Yeah, I know. I was referring exactly to that part of the books :)
@@stzawadzki Oh god, terribly sorry didn't read your comment well.
Excuse me
There’s also an easter egg about game of thrones is toussaint, when i passed the locals in beauclair, she said that “my brother gave me a sword and i called it needle”, sorry for my english
are you sure cause in my play through she always cussed at her crystal being destroyed, and i have been 1000% faithful to yen and never broke her heart.
0:54 you can loot this crystal in White Orchard and give it to yen !
yep
where is it exactly
The dress is automatically there after you renovated the guest room
Kim what guest room? Please tell me because I NEED to see her in that dress plz captain
Kim corvo bianco’s guest room?
Ege Özdemir yeah, but she won’t wear the dress. Go upstairs after you renovated the guest room. As soon as you get the chance to renovate the whole house, it’ll be placed there. You have a choice to move in a character from a side quest. So, this dress may belong to her as she can be moved in before Yen.
Kim thanks dude
@@Kim-id1tf Talking about that poor old woman? I doubt the dress could be hers :(
With #2 the author of the book 'The Poisoned Source' is Tissaia de Vries who was Yen's mentor and like a mother figure to her.
I just realised the first one myself. On my newgame+ walkthrough she blamed me for not asking how she is first.
I love this Detail.
Dude! I just found a cool thing i missed in Skellige. After you help Udalryk get rid of the Hym, you can find the baby in a room of Udalryks house sleeping in his crib! Thats something i never would have thought to look for so it cought me off guard :D
Hi there! I've actually read the books and can help with the infertility bit. Yennefer's entire quest is to become fertile again and have a child. She states very openly in the books that she wants one, but is incapable of it. She envies mothers able to have children and is incredibly depressed because she can't have any of her own. This is why she clings so dearly to Ciri, because Ciri is the closest thing she's ever going to have to a child. She goes through many, many trials in the book to try and remedy her infertility issue, but none work and any that promise it cost so dearly it's intimidating.
I chose Yen on my first playthrough and felt bad about denying Triss at the docks but then I chose Triss on my second and felt devastated at Yen’s reaction with being denied on Last Wish. Yen doesn’t showcase her vulnerability very often but when she does, boy oh boy does it hit hard! Why can’t Geralt just have both?!!! 😐
Yeah, just tried that too on my second playthrough here. Haven’t gone to Novigrad yet, but seeing Yennefer after that no... brutal.
In the books, magic users, as witchers can't have children, and Yen suffers a lot from that.Thus the motherly relation she shares with Ciri, which she raised from some time.
I love how details like that are scattered all over the game. Almost every detail of the books are hinted at one way or another through the 3 games. It's trully one of the best adaptation of all time.
you: "is yen looking for ways to have a child? did she intend to use the djinn for this purpose?"
netflix: "CONFIRMED"
If only theres some way to read about it...that the show could be based on...and maybe also the game...that were published almost 3 decades ago :/
@@ChunLo21 ive read the first 4 books so far and nothing is mentioned about yennefer looking to "cure" herself or have a child. when she trains ciri at the temple of melitele, they grow fond of each other but they definitely don't like each other when they first meet... so im confused by your comment.
the thing that looks like an icon depicting the godmather is actually a snake, it can be found all across skellige, in each village, it happends that in the interiors it doesn't have a tongue, but on the outside, when it's carvings on the wood, I guess, it's complete with all the details and it's clear as day that it's a snake, not some sort of a hint to the orthodoxy
Yen has Ciri who she calls “my daughter” in the books. If it was anyone else I’d say they want children but she has a daughter who she loves enough to commit double suicide with Geralt for ciri’s sake.
Damn 5 time played this game and finish the story but still miss this one
That why Witcher 3 is my number one in list
Your daughter is adorable! Reminds me of my sister at that age
thanks ;]
so is your daughter real life sherlock holmes or sumn?
could become who knows ;]
@@xLetalis man i have been watching your content for like 3 straight days and knowing that you have a daughter made me smile
Thank you for everything you did on this channel
You should seriously read the books. A lot of questions you ask in these videos are a direct reference to the events of the books.
acording to the books, the thing that she regrets the most is to not be able of having kids. She desires to be a mum more than anything, and in some way she is looking that to happen, but she is sterile and Geralt as well... the only way that she discovers to be a mum is with Ciri, she adopted Ciri when she was 11-12 years old and treated and loved her as her own daughter. At the beggining of finding Ciri, they lived together with Geralt as a regular family, and those where the happiest days of her life...
sorry for my english, im spanish and im still learning xD
i hope they get even better in cyberpunk 2077
that would be difficulty but I hope so as well
@@xLetalis I'm sure you remember, but I feel it necessary to say, that I truly hope there are easter eggs in Cyberpunk 2077 regarding Ciri. After all, she visited there once. 😎
@@Hawkwinter01 yep ;]
Oh god this didn’t age well
15:43 Dude I have chosen Yen and also told Yen that I love her but she shouted anyway on my playthrough!
I may be wrong
"The Poisoned Source" seems similar to intro to one chapter of the book which finished with call to sterilization of all students.