What Really Happened on El Toro at Six Flags Great Adventure June 29th 2021?
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2024
- On June 29th 2021 El Toro at Six Flags Great Adventure was operating normally. As Train "A" was dispatched from the station, everything seemed normal. It was only once the train dropped off the first drop that the problem became apparent. The investigation into the accident would take the better part of a year. El Toro is scheduled to reopen the day this video is uploaded.
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At the start of the video I said 2022. Obviously, I intended to say 2021, whoops.
Accidents happen I guess
It’s fine :)
It says 2022 in the description as well just so you know.
it`s also written in the bio. But it`s not a big problem.
This took place in the future
I legitimately questioned what month it was when I heard that 🤣
At the same time, this incident shows how safe rides actually are today. Despite the last axle of the train derailing, not a single person sustained any kind of injury during the incident. To the riders, it was just an inconvenience having to disembark somewhere along the track (GP) or a once in a lifetime opportunity to walk along the track of El Toro (enthusiast).
@Chad Meckstroth That's when an Intamin prefab actually starts to feel like a wooden coaster. ;-)
guess the Mindbender incident really scared them
@@GiordanDiodato had toro killed anyone sure as hell would have never reopened
Im sure for the people in the two last cars it was much more than an inconvenience. If there was a young child in either of those cars they'll probably never ride a rollercoaster again
@@NickyD depends on when & why. if it was something like what happened on new texas giant at six flags over texas it would be reopened just like ntg was but if someone died for this reason i’m not sure if it would’ve been shut down or not, but i’m assuming it wouldn’t tbh
Well, sounds like they did everything right and this was just a weird wear-and-tear related accident that they promptly fixed. Happy no one was hurt.
tbh i wouldn’t even go as far as calling it an accident. sure it probably scared the fuck out of everyone, but no one was hurt and the ride wasn’t damaged. a situation like this is nice to hear about
@@misseselise3864 it’s a nasty ride lmfao. you’re more likely to get hurt just riding it than in an accident
Now it’s better than ever
yeah it's not very worth riding. very very rough
This didn’t age well
This is a strange accident compared to others you've covered. 9 times out of 10, it's usually either poor inspection, poor operator training, or poor operation choices made by the park. This one was none of those. Weird.
Not that weird. They're rare, but we've seen Intamin design flaws here before.
Considering that this is only one of 3 Intamin prefabs in existence, the extreme nature of the forces of this ride, and the rigorous detail to maintenance that Great Adventure dotes on the ride, it makes sense that a freak derailment would happen on the final axel of the train
@@cool110 Right!!! Like the Dragster incident. The park maintains the ride and because of unforeseen situation an accident occurs. No fault to the park. The common denominator is Intamin.
@@MakBot There are four Intamin prefabs: El Toro, Balder, Colossos, and T-Express.
@@domhur el toro will probably outlast the stratas
The fact that even Intamin didn't know this kind of issue was possible shows how much of an unknown this all was. Problems happen for unknown or unforeseen reasons after X amount of time. Its one of those ones that has now helped to improve not just this but others too.
And 20mm isnt that much!!
I don't know, Intamin is having a few unforeseen incidents with their rides. This is similar to the Dragster situation. The park maintained the ride to there specs and an accident still occurred.
feel like that happens WAY too often with Intamin. While I do feel safe on their rides it is a big issue for them.
@@KrimsonStorm 20mm is alot it's 3/4 of an inch especially when you have that much extra free play of movement imagine driving a car turning the steering wheel 3/4" and nothing happens.
@@KrimsonStorm its enough at 90 mph to cause a train derail intamin is known to have major design flaws
ever since i started watching these i feel more safe on rollercoasters since i understand problems that have happened with others. i know that sounds so weird but thank you so much for helping me overcome my fear- i’ve gone on about 10 roller coasters since i started watching this channel and i feel so happy now. thank you so much
That's amazing!!!
I work as a maintenance technician in heavy industry and I will NEVER ride any intense amusement ride after what I've seen.
@LilAnthonyOdd It's not weird. Nothing is worse than someone telling you that the ride is safe and that the conditions that caused the accident have been corrected. It's much better understanding just WHY it happened rather than just take someone's word for it that everything is fine now. Knowledge is power! Educate yourself whenever you get the chance, don't rely on other people to tell you how you should feel or who or what you should trust.
@LilAnthonyOdd people that don’t understand often classify things as “weird,” you’re only highlighting your own ignorance and immaturity.
I feel the same way, it’s like you know how everything works so you can see that some of the fears are irrational and couldn’t happen.
Nice to hear of an incident that wasn't caused by poor maintenance or operator error for once!
Also glad that no one got hurt, though I bet the scare probably took a year or more off the lifespan of the riders. >.
the safety features learned by the Mindbender incident are still in play
Thank you for making this and clearing the air!
Glad it gets the ETR seal of approval! Thank you for making your footage free to use, that really made creating this video a lot easier!
tell that to the GP and news media there nor gonna watch this
I’ve never smiled watching one of these videos until now. Hearing a story about an amusement park doing pretty much everything right and all parties involved working together to make the ride safer after an accident where nobody got hurt is about as happy of a story you can get from a ride incident.
If only it was true
"El toro is now as safe a ride as ever"
1 year later
*awe s---, here we go again*
Glad to see this problem could be fixed and was deemed safe to operate again. I feel like the inactivity during 2020 may have contributed, but I'm not sure if roller coasters can be moody about that kind of thing.
They could run it empty in 2020
@@OffendingTheOffendable its true. But running empty doesnt make up for the weight of people in it and everone having a different weight
it was opened in 2020 six flags opened in june 2020
@@NickyD july
It can seem like you're just "kidding around" about a roller coaster being moody... That somehow inactivity invited wear that the usual "unseemly forces" of daily action would somehow be less abusive than a less intense year or even a year of inactivity altogether.
What's interesting and a little bit scary is that machinery NEEDS to be used. That's also part and parcel with the engineering in the design phase. A year of sitting WILL create issues in almost any machine of any value for any purpose. Carburetors in engines get shellacked, fuel filters, oil filters, and gear-box filter-screens deteriorate at least, and get hopelessly clogged at worst, and moving metal parts that usually get glossy for the constant friction of daily use will rust or corrode over time...
On a roller coaster, there's a predetermined series of presumptions about the average working load, and frequency for a daily use ride. This is all part of the purpose in engineering such machines as carnival and theme-park rides. They ARE designed to move and carry passengers... That's ALL part of their routine maintenance, and a fairly specific scale, intensity, and frequency of load is built into them and their ratings from the time they leave the "drawing board".
SO the absolute short-shortest form of answer to the question would be "Yes, they can." Even that we ALL know it's only so much inanimate metal, wood, plastic and rubber... it can also "sit to death, no different from your car or my motorcycle. It was MEANT to be ridden, so long as the strains are within the manufacturer's guidelines and ratings. ;o)
“As safe as ever” hasn’t aged well lol
Bet the people in car 6 had a serious *Holy s**t!!* moment when told what happened
You have absolutely NO IDEA how long I've been waiting for an episode of What Really Happened on the El Toro derailment. I've been trying to find out about what it was that may have caused the coaster to derail so unexpectedly. Who would've known it was from a slightly increased track gauge? Plus the accident happened just one day before my 23rd birthday.
Thank you so much!
The haunted mine drop that he talked about a couple weeks ago was the one that happened on my 23rd birthday
I wouldn't call a 2 centimeter deviation on a 84 centimeter gauge a slight increase.
I got first train of the new season for 2022, it was the train that derailed as well. It is really smooth not running better than the Kia Soul train (B train) but still good none the less. Glad to see the bull is up and kicking again. Also this being my home park, A LOT of people where blaming the maintenance crew. Im glad you got to the bottom of this and cleared things up
typical enthuists blamming SF
wow, you finally covered a ride that i’ve actually been on several times. pretty cool. El Toro is an extremely fun roller coaster
I love El Toro, one of the best roller coasters ever made!
Just goes to show that even with the best plans and everyone doing their job, accidents can still happen. It’s refreshing to hear something like this was not caused by park/employee/human error, but just bad luck. Glad no one was hurt on the ride and kudos to Six Flags for using this opportunity to make sure all of their rides are updated with this feature.
A nice break from the recent videos about parks and/or manufacturers not caring about safety. You know the manufacturer and the park have done good jobs when areas where they are lacking only results in the train coming to a premature stop with no injuries.
One of my friends who is a big fan of Six Flags Great Adventure didn't even go while El Toro was closed. This awesome wooden coaster is the main reason he goes to the park 🙂
Lol, same for me
I LOVE wooden coasters and would so love to make a trip to this park to ride this. It looks so amazing
@@nmhanna
Knoebels has amazing wooden coasters
Meanwhile on your average news channel:
“Yes Frank, I’m hearing the rollercoaster derailed, just a catastrophic mechanical failure. We’re looking at possibly dozens of deaths, witnesses are telling me it was literally Nazi Germany over there and the park managers haven’t committed seppuku in shame just yet. Best to avoid all rollercoasters until the end of the year. Now we move onto Jim for sports, Jim?”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lmao. Fax
I was a lifeguard at Schlitterbahn the year the slide first open and a couple years before the slide decapitated that kid in Kansas City. The slide was supposed to open up in May but it didn't open up until August because the slide kept DECAPITATING THE CRASH TEST DUMMIES because the raft wasn't on a track it was just going down a slide. They ended up taking the whole slide apart adjusting the angle slightly and putting it back together again. Even then there was a scale at the top of the slide to weigh people on and and there was a minimum weight then they had to choose people who weighed about the same to sit in the front seat and back seat and the lightest rider in the middle. PLUS the seatbelts were just velcro (we all know how long velcro lasts in water and being constantly opened and closed hundreds of times a day). I still had friends who were lifeguards there the year that boy was killed. They said they had gotten rid of the seating rules and so what happened is two heavy women were in the front and middle seat of the raft and the lightweight little boy was in the back. So when the slide started down, the front of the raft was too heavy and the back end lifted up and the boys head was above the tunnel while his body was in the raft below going into the tunnel. His head came rolling down the slide after the raft. It was a senators son too. This whole thing could have been avoided if Schlitterbahn had maintained their seating rules or you know HAD AN ACTUAL ENGINEER DESIGN THE SLIDE INSTEAD OF THE OWNER WHO HAD NO ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE. Anyway I think about this little boy a lot. EDIT: I forgot to mention that everyday before the park opened the lifeguards had to test the rides by riding down them and most of the lifeguards would refuse to ride the Verruckt (sorry forgot how it was spelled) we had seen it kill crash test dummies for months and months there was only like three of us that were brave enough to ride it.
This is totally unrelated to this situation but kinda see how it may have triggered the memories for you. I’ve read a lot about that accident and it’s completely messed up. There’s a lack of oversite for water slides in general and I think overall the margin of error is way higher with them. But what happened with that slide in particular was just straight idiotic negligence.
"As safe a ride as ever" well....
Please do a part 2 after more info comes out!
I had a feeling that this was caused by the track bowing outwards, but I thought it would've been temperature related. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner, since it seems no one had any idea that this could occur. It's also scary how much worse it could've been. What if the back car disconnected from the rest of the train, or what if it violently fishtailed the entire ride. Then there would've been serious injuries and possible deaths. I'm also glad that there was a fix available that did not affect the ride experience in any way. The trains are still 6 cars long, and no trim brakes were added.
we got lucky nobody was killed because toro likey would have been a goner
Way before the recent accident, El Toro has ALWAYS been causing neck, back pain and some headaches, it really isn't surprising that there's another accident
Im really glad that you added the bit at the end telling us how unlikely this was and how it helped the industry.
It made me feel less scared about this sorta stuff.
It’s nice to see this monster of a wooden coaster reopen this year
"El Toro is now a safe as ever" That aged well 🤣
When you show the repairs done all I can see is cracks in the support beam wood. The wooden rides really are a marvel to look at. Amazing how long some of them last.
Great video! I subscribed 5 episodes ago (4/14/2023) and have been "binge" watching! Your research and narration are excellent! Thank you for all you do! It's appreciated!!
If you haven't any videos of the original "Cyclone" coasters, we have one here in Denver. Built in 1927, I believe. I would like to see a video about those coasters! Thanks! 😊👍👌
I'm so glad things are safe, and so happy it'll be operational. I'll be riding this in may, as we're heading to this six flags for my class trip
Uh oh... Get ready to make another one.
Im glad that the ride was save enough to not hurt anyone during this accident and that there was a lesson learned.
I love that the coaster industry gets saver and saver and on the streets you see cars that look like deathtraps everyday, but still coasters are seen as unsafe and driving is not by a lot of ppl.
My thoughts exactly. People say that they would never trust a roller coaster because they're too "unsafe", yet they'll willingly go into a car and drive on a highway.
Rode this a week or so before the accident and noticed it felt rougher than normal, but I thought maybe it was just me, it’s a woodie after all and that’s not necessarily abnormal. Rode it today and it’s now glass smooth
I can’t wait to ride it, is it still the same?
joJO layout is exactly the same, just much smoother now
@@therock238360 it’s kinda like fixing something now it’s better
Yeah it was
@@therock238360 that's exciting, i never rode el Toro and I'm planning on going on it for the first time this season
Very nicely put together video and very informative as well. I just rode El Toro in July of 2022 after they had fixed the problems for over a year and it was running awesome. Glad they got it reopened and running better than ever. Thanks for posting this.
It happened again today the ride was shutdown again the news says that 14 people got hurt and 6 people in hospital.
El Toro just had another incident with multiple injuries
We need a sequel of this since it crashed again
So I worked at the park when this ride was being built. According to crew that I worked with back then, there was a lot of rumor floating around about why the park got the ride. The same manufacturer that make Kingda ka, make El Toro. Rumors said that because of the amount of technical issues kingda ka had with opening year, Intamin agree to building a ride for free, to prevent legal action. Rumors also floated around that it was a prototype and wasn’t design for commercial use. Well the park agreed and one year later el Toro opened. It’s a fun ride, it’s rough now, but I think there were some engineering miscalculations that are not starting to catch up.
The ride El Toro replaced, Rolling Thunder, used to feel like it came up off the tracks like that in the years leading up to when they took it down. It was quite terrifying.
Also in Six Flags Mexico, they run their wooden roller coaster while they have workers replacing the wooden beams on it. That's a whole other kind of thrilling ride. 😂
I rode Rolling Thunder near the end of its life. I heard a bang from the back of the train near the final turn. I remember thinking “Did the last car just derail?” But we arrived at the station with no issues. That was my first and last time on that ride though.
@@SilverOnTheCloud I vaguely remember loud bangs when the ride would brake. That was normal. That was my favorite ride in the park and I rode it more times than I can count. The last year I rode it you could feel the cars lift up off the tracks and slam back down in a way it never had before. It felt more like a runaway train.
Well it happened again time to shut down the ride.
Please make more of these videos bro, you have no idea how fascinating they are
Like to see an update to the most recent accident on El Toro in August 22.
I wonder what happened yesterday... I'd still ride El Toro, but it sounds like it may need an upgrade.
Excellent video and narration. Keep up the terrific work.
And today multiple people were injured on el toro with 6 needing hospitalization.
I think you might have meant 2021 because we're only in April of 2022
Beat me to it 👍👍
Actually it happened this year we just don’t know it yet
Yea I know, whoops lol
He's telling us the future
its always a nice thing when the person talking is not someone that never even seen how anything about the subject works, but someone that actually does and understands many many things from the subject without stuff like bad google searches, people like real plane pilots, engeneers, etc. those never lie about things unlike low budget videos
So the distance between the tracks changed by a max of 1/8 of an inch. That's pretty amazing when you think about it.
It actually was closer to a full inch. 20mm is a little over 3/4 of an inch.
@@ezraoberheim1081 the 1/8 deviance is along the full layout without forces applied, the 3/4 inch deviance occured at the bottom of the drop when force is applied to the track
El Toro is SO FAST and such a fun ride that can be actually painful if you're not bracing yourself for how extremely fast it is. It's wooden and from my experience wooden coasters can be BEASTS compared to other metal made ones. I'm glad their working on this rife because this is the 6flags that is closest to me and one I've been to several times and have alwayssssss had a blast! Going to! Never had any issues on the rides, with guests, lines were not unreasonably long, and just always had an all around good time 👍 👍
Legit love this ride. Haven't been in years, but now that it's reopen, gotta get out there.
Also, loving your video series. They're all so fascinating.
What happened on el toro, august 25th 2022?
Will there be a What Really Happened for the Top Thrill Dragster incident last year? I’m really interested to know what happened and thought you might have interesting insight since you work at Cedar Point.
"Hopefully something like this never happens again"
*Literally one year later on the exact same ride*
It happened again.
Yeah i agree with your sentiment this seems to have been just an unforeseen situation and not a maintenance issue.
*Babe wake up, Coaster Collage uploaded*
Looks like it didn’t last open
here we are again another accident…
And now yesterday the ride becomes an issue again
I remember being at six flags on that day and just hearing rumors that El Toro was down, then going to see the valleyed cart from the Jumanjaro line, it was just very interesting to be there.
Welp, here we are again… 4 months later
Watching this cause el toro malfunctioned a day ago and now has injured several
It was crazy seeing in the news that a train derailed the day after I was at the park for my first time and designated El Toro "my new favorite coaster"
Everyone loves a good scare new, I'm just impressed that the park took full responsibility, investigated it and found the blame to be under the manufacturer responsibility. This is how it should be if things are regularly inspected.
I’ve never ridden a roller coaster out of fear but this channel kinda makes me want to
the fact that i was at that same park the same day was crazy-
Basically, everything was well maintained, up to standards and date, and spot on, meaning it was a design flaw.
I'm so glad nobody got hurt and for once, a mistake was seen and fixed without anyone having to suffer for it.
Maybe you should do a video on Raging River at Adventureland and the 2021 accident
Well, I mean I guess you need to need to make ANOTHER video
I’ve been waiting for this
Damn, I didn't realize that the up-stop wheels were literally above the track and being dragged. I figured they'd seized up or something. That's wild that the gauge of the track could sway a couple of inches. I've remember thinking years ago it was weird how they only put those steel cross ties every like 6'. It looks visually weird even at some points. It was just bad design from Intamin not considering long term changes to the track. If that was even possible to predict. Typical Intamin though. Though, I guess it's not really their fault. It's just, they have so many issues with their rides.
Intamin pushes the limits of what's possible that's why their rides are extremely thrilling but very unreliable
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv Oh, for sure. I know. B&M is partially so reliable because they stick to the same formulaic design and restrain what they're willing to do. I don't think that's all of it though. They didn't even bother with Incredible Hulk's launch because they had no experience with it. Never saw a need to gain the experience; until Thunderbird, of course. But still. I don't necessarily mind a more unreliable ride in return for fast paced innovation. No one died here but... still. While accidents are part of life really and would happen regardless. It just feels like more often than not with a severe coaster malfunction that it's an Intamin.
The last minute aged well lmao
In 2013 I went here for my senior field trip. On this ride we got stuck at the lift hill, and had to be evacuated, from what I heard from former classmates who went there a few times afterward in the past and recent years, is that this slowly started happening more and more. There was a lot of issues that were going unchecked for years, it was little things though that probably at first glance would not be noticeable, but nonetheless should have been fully checked.
Movies and the media has taught me that if something goes wrong on a ride it's instant death, so (as much as that can be true) I like hearing about how in most instances where something goes wrong no one dies or seriously injured...they make get scared or get stuck on the ride or gets some minor injury, but most ride designers aren't putting your life in the hands of a single bolt where they can avoid it.
Whole park teleported through time, causing El Toro to fuck up.
Hey, this coaster just derailed again!
News site I saw it on just deleted it, hmm. It was on Intel Point Alert.
Found more sites. Says at least 16 injured when the ride "lurched forward" during unloading. Also has links to people over the last week saying the ride has been "out of control" all week and going a lot faster than people remember with a lot of neck injuries recently.
@@TinkSalsa I was there last month and the ride closed down before my friends went on it. Seems to always have problems.
@@feliciameyers3084 it sucks that the one ride with an accident that actually had no injuries and nobody at fault had another major accident a year later.
You should make a sequel to this soon if you have the time
Would have to figure out what happened first
There have been a lot of freak near impossible accidents last year
3:47 or so you thought
So glad they didn't have to lose a train car as many feared they would.
So glad no one was hurt. El Toro is such a great ride, too!
It rode so good today….it was really smooth on a wheel seat too. I can’t wait for warm summer nights when she’s at full force.
i really truly think el toro will be entering its rolling thunder era very soon. w the amount of maintenance work it’s been getting i feel like this year is it’s finally year of operation. it’s sad but let’s be serious. 2 incidents inside of a year?? temporarily closed twice?? it’s temporarily closed as we speak due to maintenance work. i really do think we’re gonna be saying goodbye to el toro this year.
Was on the 3rd train this morning! It was running slow (in the 45 degree weather) but as the day went on, she was running great!!!
I would still ride it. We love six flags, my family hold memberships at six flags Chicago, and visit the park at least twice a month during the season.
Ooooooooh, so this is why I went to great adventure in late June last year and it was closed. I really wanted to ride it, but alesst superman and nitro were open.
Who’s here after the recent accident that injured 12🫣
Me
Just went on it 3 times yesterday! Happy it’s back up and running again 😁
prevention is better than a cure! i'm glad they identified the defect, now other intamin woodies can be updated :)
Kind of haunting to see a ride that I've ridden on before on this series, even if it is so minor.
Now I’m happy it’s back now.
This is why I enjoy the what really happened series its usally not because the coaster is dangerous but its usally operator error,manufacturer error, lack of error or park guest error. Just so you know you people digging in the coments roller coasters will not randomly break and have an accident. You are more safe on an amusment park ride than taking a shower. Take it from me I slipped really hard from the shower and broke the curtains. And the only thing I ever experienced on a ride was one time at universal studios on the jurrassic world boat ride where the bot got stuck on the 2nd lift hill but however it was only for 5 mins and I kept my calm as I knew I was safe as long as I was in the boat. Then ride worked again. As long as you keep your hands and feet inside the cart and listen to the ride operators instructions you are perfectly fine especially at a park like universal,cedar point,six flags parks, and ect. And the staff will make sure that you are safe. Staff will do everything and anything they can do to ensure park safety.
Thanks for the vid and now we know SF followed Intamin instructions and Intamin is at fault for a poor design and inadequate dynamic load analysis.
We went to universal studios for the first time since I started watching this channel and others like it. It was kind of weird actually. I felt safer and also was more worried LOL. We had a blast but I was super careful to check lap bars and seatbelts even though I knew the ride operators were too.
Great adventure my home park and I rode el toro just a few days before this accident so I’m so excited to see this open when I go in a few days
this is the only roller coaster i have ever cried on, but not because it’s not safe!! it feels like its going to break the entire time you’re on it and you narrowly miss the supports the entire time. it’s extremely loud and fast and i did the dumbass teen trick of sitting forward in your seat so your supports are loose to get thrown around a bit more. it was absolutely terrifying the entire time i was on it and i was in tears when i got off. ive ridden it a dozen times since then and will continue to ride it until it closes
I'm glad this got caught before anyone got hurt. Although I'd be pretty shaken if I was on the last car during the incident.
El Toro had another accident again today ☹️
I'm not sure if information on this particular coaster will be easy to find, but the Galaxie, a somewhat kiddie coaster at Kings Dominion, VA, was shut down due to a deadly accident a *long* time ago. It gets described pretty inaccurately, I've found, even going so far to say a kid was outright decapitated even though he returned to the station with a head still attatched- albeit a bloody one. It would be interesting to hear clarification about what really happened, and how far rollercoaster safety has evolved since that accident.
Is this one of the few times in the more modern era that an issue has genuinely been due to an engineering oversight?