THE 2 MOST COMMON ISSUES WITH A BRAND NEW FLOYD ROSE,HOW TO FIX YOUR TUNING STABILITY IN 10 MINS
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- Опубликовано: 23 окт 2021
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When you change from a hard tail or stoptail bridge to a floating bridge like a floyd rose it can be daunting.
When you buy a new guitar and it wont stay in tune ive found it can be 2 main problems and neither is hard to fix.In 10 minutes your floyd rose can be fully stable simply by tightening a few screws.
I hope this video helps a beginner or newbie to solve their floyd rose tuning issues.
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I have been jamming for over 30 years and have come across those issues many times. In my opinion the best things you can do to improve Floyd Rose tuning stability: 1) Use a string stretcha every time you install a new set of strings 2) Adjust your tremolo so that it rests as close to perfectly parallel to the body as possible 3) Place a DROP of gun lubricant on the tremolo where the knife edges make contact with the tremolo posts. You want the metal on metal action to operate as smooth and free as possible. This will help your tremolo return to the exact position it was prior to pivoting. I have gone through many multi hour jam sessions without a single loss in tuning stability by using these steps. I wish someone would have shared those life lessons with me long ago and I could have saved myself a ton of frustration. Love your channel. Keep up the good work!
Yeah I know what you mean,thanks
The bottom of these nuts need to be flattened with a flat surface (I use an old granite cheese cutter base) and 320 sand paper. Also any paint on the guitar nut seat sometimes.
The "V" nut slot with thicker strings. I use a nut file to get it to seat properly.
Making sure the correct saddle is in the proper place is another...many other little things etc..I would guess most people do not know about the set screws down in the bridge post on a lot of these guitars. Once the action is set tighten those jam screws. Also check the space between the nut seat and face to the fret board.Maybe that was mentioned ?
Omg I was spending so much time retuning my guitar and the tip on making the locking nut flush worked! I tried the string retainer and everything else and finally this did it. God it feels good to play for a long while and not go way out of tune at random times. Thank you for this.
Awesome news I love comments like these so glad it helped
Cheers mate, just got a evh wolfgang standard and it's doing me yed in, gonna try this. 👍
Just got my new Kramer SM - 1H last week and I noticed that noise issue you were pointing out while using my Floyd Rose. I did what you advised and it worked. Thanks for the tip!
That’s awesome so glad one of my videos helped you means a lot
Recently purchased an EVH bumble bee stripes series. Love this guitar. Just low E string kept going out of tune. Watched this video and tried your tips. Dude you nailed it. It was the screws on the nut. Very loose on the low E string side. Tightened it up. Problem fixed. Thanks!!!!!!!!
That’s great to hear so glad it helped
+1 sub you are a saviour. I was just about to give up on my 10 days old Floyd because of tuning stability issues and i am so glad that i ran into your video. Cheers mate, made my day
This comment made my day though!
When someone finds a video genuinely helpful it makes this all worth while 👍 thanks
Great instructional video. Just subscribed.
Thank you very much. Just got a new EVH Wolfgang. Was clicking. The bolts on the locking trem we loose. Nice job man.
Awesome glad it helped
First method fixed my click sound at the nut. I bought a new guitar and this issue happen, went back to the shop, even the luthier there cannot figure it out, advised there is no issue and just need to do “pro setup” which it will incur extra charges as they are selling the service., I insisted it need to be fixed with warranty covered, they said they will try but will take time. left the guitar for 2 days, and found your video, I decided to bring back and DIY. Boom! Fixed. This was a year go , just came back to this video to say Thank you ❤ . sub ever since
Oh wow I’m so glad it helped ,the cheaper mass produced guitars are prone to loose screws to avoid over tightening in the factory and shredding off the nuts
Fantastic video thank you!
Glad this helped 👍
Good points. I do the same even when I buy a used guitar because you nevee know what your getting into.
Thanks....Absolutely so many guys have messaged me and all they need was screws tightening up
Great content mate
Thanks buddy
I take apart every guitar I get especially FR ones, and go through every part, deburring, chamfering, blowing out the sawdust and polishing compound, lubing what moves, Loc-titeing what stays put, preemptive shots of De-oxit D5 in pots, intonation, relief, action height, everything. It takes time but I'm never sorry I did it. Here's a new one I found today. My son kept telling me his strings were "slipping" and the guitar was detuning. I thought he was imagining things. I was swapping out his saddles today from zinc FR "Special" to steel 1000 series, and found out he was right while trying to set it back up. Turns out the damn FR springs kept stretching! I caught it because the angle of the bridge kept changing slightly. I was like are the trem claw screws pulling out of the body?! Then it occurred to me the springs were probably stretching, as unlikely as that seemed. Changed them to some EVH springs I had from a guitar I have apart. Solved. New fear unlocked. LOL
Great tips Neil. I take my guitars apart every so often just to know I am 100% to go. I have been playing Floyds or Ibanez Edge Trems since they came out. I now can't play fixed bridges LOL Yeah, I am that old! Nearly all the problems can be solved with a few simple tweaks. STRETCHING new strings is a big must. And tweaking ones nuts is always a great idea. Check those nuts and bolts ladies and you'll be chirping like Brad Gillis in no time!
🤣🤣🤣🤣 your a mad man edge trems are the best out there imo
@@NinecoreNeil amazing tips that I havenot seen before. Thank you! I'm buying my first one now but I've been pondering over if I should or shouldn't for 6 months because I know nothing other than how to change strings and have seen people report these frustrations with the Floyd Rose.
@@allboutthemojo let me know how you go on mate
@@NinecoreNeil I will. Getting the schecter reaper 6 FRS . Sustaniac pick up model.
Can anyone tell me how to stop my saddle lock screws from touching my strings when i pull up? is this a standard floyd rose problem? i get about a full step bend and then the screws touch the string and cuts out...
Great video! Yeah the dreaded clicking noise. Like you said it happens to any guitar with a floyd nut mounted from the top (bottom mount is a little more stable but can still get the click) I have a brand new Jackson MJ soloist and it happened. If you practice the dime squeal your gonna get it 😅. I tightened my screws and it held for a while but the click came back. I ended up using gorilla super glue gel on the nut. Just tiny dabs, you don’t need a lot, use a toothpick tip or a pin to apply tiny dabs. I put two dabs on the base of the nut and two where it meets the fretboard. The gel gives you a little more time to work before it sets up. I can’t stress enough just a little bit, it doesn’t take a lot of force to keep it in place. You want to make sure you can get your nut off without damaging your guitar. Also make sure your screw holes are not stripped out, use the toothpick trick or dowell them and redrill if they are. Anyway, its working like a charm now. Thanks for the video, this will help many new floyd owners.
Thankyou appreciate that,this comment is great and probably equally as helpful too
Another small but important tip is this.....parts wear out. Even hardened chromoly. Saddles, nuts, screws, wood, etc.
I had an issue where one of the screws that holds the nut to the head stock wasn't close to being tight. It was actually raised up. So when i locked the nut it wasn't even locking the strings down like it should. The nut lock was hitting the screw instead and that's as far as it would go. This was on an EVH Wolfgang Standard. Another thing with these guitars is the head stock isn't angled back like a lot of guitars. So it really needs that string retainer to create a proper break angle over the nut. I noticed mine wasn't adjusted low enough. If you looked real close you could see there was a slight gap between under the strings and the top of the nut. So when you tighten down the nuts everything would go sharp. My Floyds are only set up to dive bomb. I want to get one of those trem stoppers just to make things like string changes easier and keeping the Floyd perfectly level.
Great vid Neil!!! Any news about a sequal of your "unlock the fretboard" vid😎
Yes coming soon glad you liked it ,I’m just trying to give people a good chance for it to sink in and all the muscle memory to start happening
Part 2 I’ll show you how to make it all tie in with improvisation and working over riffs ect
@@NinecoreNeil great, the hints you already gave have helped me already a lot in putting the dots in some places. The muscle memory is truely the thing I missed all these past years. It's slowely but steady coming there. Keep up with the great down to earth content mate🤘
@@KROLSKI Thankyou means a lot when my videos help
I have one Floyd rose guitar, it was a Christmas present, the second it opened it, it was majorly out of tune, and I have done more maintenance than actually getting to play it 😃
It’s all about set up my guitars are solid for tuning that’s why I used to love lockingnuts
What about when I bend up on the bar and the string hits the intonation screw. Any idea how to fix that?
If you pull really far back it’s probably unavoidable
Thanks bro
No worries
Recently bought a floyd rose guitar ( fender player series fr) but the whammy bar is so hard to push down. The trem is sitting flush with the body and it’s tuned to e standard, I’ve tried changing the setup of the springs but it’s so hard to dive bomb. It’s easy to pull back but just pushing the bar down physically is a task, pls help
Sounds like too much tension on the springs ,block off the trem with something til it sits level slacken off the strings and springs and reset it up from there
Question: my Floyd floats. I can get it in tune but once I dive bomb, it’s goes flat when it returns to normal position. If I pull up on the bar it stays sharp when it returns to normal position. Any thoughts on how to fix this?
I’d say either your saddles or nut are moving
If you tighten everything and it still happens then have a look at the movement of your springs around the back and make sure nothing is interfering with there movement
I got a white player strat with a Floyd Rose Special and can't get it to work. All the strings go slightly flat after divebombing and the string height changes by itself. What should I do?
Check the things in this video tighten Al screws even on the bridge
Leave the posts though 👍
@@NinecoreNeil Thanks man!
I have a Floyd rose and I’m having issues with it(although it’s not tuning stability as I had the guitar for 7 months now and I think I just got over that hurdle lol). There’s this sitar like noise that is constantly encountered on the first fret and now I’ve found that there’s dead spots on the highest two strings where they can’t bend at all. It’s really a shame because when the guitar is working at full capacity it’s an amazing guitar, but I think there’s just too much going wrong with it at this point and I’ve already taken it to an guitar tech a few times so idk if it’s worth it
Sounds like your truss Rod needs a tweak
I always loosen the strings with the machine heads after locked down to alleviate any tension against the backside as a preventative measure.
Good idea that I’ve heard of hits doing that to prevent headstock damage as well
Do I need to remove the strings to do the first fix? (Loosening the nut and re adjusting it and tightening it down)
Just loosen them off so you can get to the screws but block the trem so it stays level with the body 👍
How tight should I tighten the screws?? I'm scared to over tighten them. I'm thinking of paying for a setup/coaching session. I got an EVH wolfgang standard and it's driving me nuts!!!
The Wolfgang usually behave quite well ,like you say just don’t push them past the point of no return
@@NinecoreNeil thanks man
Does this camo jackson have their speed neck? I mean, they don't eve say on their website!
It does yeah it’s actually one of my favourites
They do differ slightly from factory to factory
@@NinecoreNeil. Do Jackson super strat styles have any other kind of neck?
Now I dare to buy a guitar with a FL! Thanks buddy! 🙏🥳
No problem at all
I just got a Stealth dime slime Dean imported from USA to Australia with hardcase.
When I dipped the bar it goes flat a step or 2, when I pull it up it sharp by a step or 2.
This is after I used your advice and tightened up top and the bridge. Before I tightened anything it would almost drop out of tune by 4 steps. feel like Im almost there but who knows? Sorry
It sounds like you are almost there to be honest ,it may just need more tension on the springs does the Floyd stay level with the body
@@NinecoreNeil Sorry for late reply. It is that I can see? If its out by the tiniest of a bit is that enough to have it drop out like that.
Thanks for helping BTW
@@chiefmegadeth only if it’s returning inconsistently
@@chiefmegadeth ideally the baseplate needs to be level with the body
Hey man! Hope all is well!
All good here buddy back at ya !
First thing I do is scrap the nut clamp, zinc saddles,pins,and string block.a 110$ upgrade to a fr1000 parts..steel..the special plate should be cold roll steel.however not all of them are not created equal.the zinc alloy doesn't hold up to the tension.🤟
I tightened all the screws but it’s still going out of tune when I dive bomb and there is a loud creaking noise
Sounds like nut movement or post movement
Why do my springs keep flying out of the back?
The pin end is not fully in the hole by the sound of it
God you're my saver.
It was the nut problem
It’s a common one nobody talks about ,glad it helped
I hate when my nuts have problems 😂
@@Mike_HuntizWet 🤣🤣
Hmm so my new Epiphone Lifeson has the problem both ways. Pull up and release and everything is about half step high. Depress and release, and everything is half step low. Bend strings or manipulate trem back to zero and back in tune. You can actually see trem is not resetting to zero after use.
That’s an odd one that check the things in this video especially the nut movement,I actually want that guitar they look great.
Check the springs and claw in the back mate
See if there is a gap between nut and fret board see if it opens and closes when you dive and pull back
That may be a binding issue, in which case the knife edges on the trem are screwed up entirely
@@reneebear3641 it was a factory defect that many had. There was a recall and mine was exchanged completely free (including shipping both ways) for a brand new one that is flawless.
I’ve had the same issue with my brand new Kramer Pacer classic. And the method I saw to fix it was replacing the mounting post screws. If you take your Floyd off you’ll probably notice those screws wiggle around a lot in their inserts
Great info, but please don't have the background music so loud, its very distracting.
I don’t use it any more 👍
I Have a click but its to do with the blades and the posts.
If it’s not the nut the springs would be my next check point
Assuming it’s a new Floyd
@@NinecoreNeil yeah new Floyd. Someone mentioned elsewhere it could be due to the posts being adjusted while full tension, scoring the post with the blades. I'll check springs though.
@@exp-eri-mental yeah sometimes you can cause damage that way but it’s quite rare unless you make major adjustments
Sounds like you need to check it and strip it down
Often springs can catch on the earth or body if it’s a bad design
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Floyd Rose trems are awesome and amazing but suck at the same time. Another issue people don't know about is the screws that hold the nut in will fail over time....the nut will move. The only solution is as you say filling the holes and rescrewing or get Floyd rose rear screws and go in behind. The go in behind method will actually solve this problem on that guitar forever....why they don't just make that the standard option is beyond me but I bet it's to do with money/easy installation.
They stopped doing it that way because it weakens the strength of the neck in that area where the
neck is already vulnerable to breaking. Plus many were overtightening the bolts
and cracked the wood. Many old Ibanez RG's from the late 80's have this crack.(do a google image search)
A top mount floyd nut is as good as thru neck mount anyway. I have had zero issues with this mounting
and it has been many years using them.
The best advice I ever got regarding my Floyd Rose was get rid of it. The fact that there are hundreds of videos on this one topic should tell us something! You’ll spend more time watching these videos and tightening this and that than actually playing the guitar.
I duno I mean I can get most of my guitars out of a case after not playing them months and they are usually as near as bang on ,that’s why I like them mostly
Oh man, don’t give up! Once you get it set up right floyds are awesome, they stay in tune forever. Once you get the hang of them they are pretty easy. Takes a little longer for string changes but it’s worth it.
Background music doesnt help!
Doesn’t help what?
@@NinecoreNeil hard to follow what you're saying!
@@robc4180 watch it twice or louder 👍 background music is quite normal these days
Too much talking not enough illustration....
I’m not taking my trem to bits sorry
@@NinecoreNeil just saying there are better videos that illustrate and less talk.....
@@johnvalderrama9339 just saying why watch this one then if you’ve solved your trem issue already with another video?
This problem doesn’t get talked about much and to be honest I’m not sure anyone would want to physically watch me tighten every screw and then say tighten your screws 🤣
Lots of people found this video really helpful
@@johnvalderrama9339. Go watch those then and quit being a little b@tch
First thing you should do with a Floyd. Exchange it with an Ibanez Edge.
Good point ha they are pricey