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Goes to show, when it comes to Hydro, the Hydro application is one of the first things we look at support wise. That's why Kokomi can't be fully replaced yet, cause of no ICD.
ignoring the massive c1 to yap about the niche c2 is quite misleading. at c1 sigewinne buffs c0 furina enough to match c2 dmg with full fanfare, which is "a lot more significant." obviously you could just get c2 furina with those pulls, but this isn't a furina investment video. i agree that in versatility kokomi is ahead because she doesn't need furina in her teams, but if furina is in the equation sigewinne is tailor-made for her and works much better in abyss and especially overworld. for most players these are both characters you would only pull if you love them, both of which have their own unique strengths. sigewinne is not a bad unit and is certainly not on qiqi or 4 star levels. early investment is very rewarding on her, much more than the video made it seem, and she feels great to play in many teams with furina. i encourage people to think for themselves for their pulls instead of following whatever the popular rhetoric against a character is.
Sigewinne should have been a 4star and Kokomi should have a rerun this summer. I've been waiting for her since I joined Genshin last November, she's been my most wanted character since day 1. :(
I remember during the early Fontaine, some leakers were calling Furina a possible koko power creep...and now we got Sige but the fish is still undefeated and even stronger than ever. Power creep doesnt exists in genshin (we dont talk about Neuillette)
If the "level 100" and "new 3rd ascension talent" rumors are real they HAVE to make Ayato’s 3rd talent about EM/Dendro reaction because poor Ayato got shoved out of the meta with Neuvillette’s release but Neuvi doesn’t typically play in Dendro teams so that’s one niche that they could give Ayato (Oh and also same goes for Klee, like pls Mihoyo just make her scale off of EM, it would give her her own burgeon niche + burgeon matches with her since she likes to blow things up lol)
@@ATMEIDAREYAIDOUBLEDAREYA Ayato was the entire reason why I didnt want to talk about Neuvi, my boy needs help, I can let Dehya slide cuz standard but Ayato is a limited unit ffs, buff him 😭 (Klee too 😔)
@@ATMEIDAREYAIDOUBLEDAREYA Klee is actually really strong her right now. she works extremely well in mono pyro teams with furina performing similarly if not better than lyney depending on circumstances.
"Never use Sigewinne yogether with Neuvillette" My Sigewinne with sac bow for Source water droplets generation for extra Neuvi blast: 🐌 *sad melusine noises*
sigewinne is stronger in mono hydro tho? Yelan can be on field and can receive her own passive and sigewinne stacks fanfare faster than kokomi and off field at that
Even if she is a very slight upgrade over Kokomi in monohydro - that’s one team. I would much rather pull a unit that’s slightly worse in one team than another unit, but has access to so many other teams that the other unit doesn’t.
I don't think Genshin have a better healer than Kokomi at all... In terms of healing, Qiqi comes close (by being a 5*) but the mermaid still undefated.
Honestly, i really like Seigweinne. If youre not looking for damage for her, shes like a hydro Yaoyao. To be honest, Seigweinne is way more like Yaoyao than Kokomi herself. As someone with Kokomi, i honestly prefer Seigweine, just because she actually minor buffs my team, and with the sac bow, she can reduce her cool down twice. Then again, there are better characters like Diona, Kokomi, even Barbara, Jean. I still like Seigweinne because shes a hydro bow healer. I just wished she was a 4*, just like how Faruzan is a 4* and she is amazing with Scaramouche at C6. Had she been a 4*, we could wish for Seigweinne along with Furina, but i believe thats exactly why Hoyo made Seigweinne a 5*
people keep complaining should be grateful instead, because if it's a skip it means you can save primos, and we all know how bad is farming them in this game it would be much worse if every chara is superb
"Because her kit needs to be imprisoned." Savage! I had considered pulling for her because she is adorable but meh. I'd rather throw more primos at Furina. Should I go for Furina's weapon or wait for a better weapons banner? Thanks for the direct comparison, Juice, I was wondering about Sigwinne vs Kokomi. I'll stick with my pretty jellyfish.
Her weapon is really only good for her, so I'd hold off. Especially since Nilou is rumored to be re-running soon, and that means the Key, which also a good weapon for Furina, as well as the likes of Kuki. So assuming they don't ruin that banner with an overly niche or just outright bad second weapon...
Yall if you want Sigewinne still get her I have her and i 100% don’t regret, her gameplay is really fun and she’s a super comfy healer. Personally I don’t think the important thing is meta, but whether you like the character’s design, story, gameplay etc. I’m not hating on this vid, it’s a good guide, but I’m just saying that all Sigewinne wanters/havers shouldn't regret pulling for her.
naturally the final conclusion will always be: 'get the character you want' however, primogems are a finite resource, which is why videos like mine help with managing them; F2Ps spend months to get ONE character, that character better be good, y'know?
@@Juice-chan If I'm saving for a character months in advance I'm getting _that_ character. I basically started saving for Nahida nearly a _year_ in advance, before anyone even name. Nobody could've convinced me to not pull for her at that point even if she was the worst character in the game. Same with Sigewinne. I knew I would pull for her by the time I finished Chapter 4 Act 4, and nothing was going to convince me otherwise.
@@Juice-chan oh sorry I didn't mean my comment to be rude 🫶 it's just that I've heard a lot of talk of people saying that sigiwine would be good in the future 😅
They probably just assuming that Sigewinne will be Kuki 2.0, because many people had been saying that Kuki is mid. And you do know how Kuki is right now after dendro release. Dehya and Kaveh, these two were supposed to be the original Kuki 2.0, but yeah that didn't happen.
Its possible they will add a mehanic in future where healing over time hurts you more than heal, so healers with instant heal will be much better. Since its fire nation, maybe some fire debuff that prevents healing for X seconds. Like cutting off hydra head and applying fire to stop it from regening.
@@Andreas_Straubthere is mechanism to defeat them that is easier then getting a five star😢... Also it would be more relevant if she was released during early game..I'm sure many of the daily players already 100% Fontaine...very little reason to go back inside the water
yes she may be tied to Furina (just like any other team wide Healer btw), but the thing is Furina-Sigewinne is pretty much playable with every single character in the game (except maybe Neuvilette) and I really don't understande why would Kokomi be better in a Monohydro comp: none of them contribute to a significant amount of DMG, but let's say Kokomi does decentish DPS, on the other side with Sigewinne you can On-Field Yelan who can makes use of both her own A4 passive and Song of Days Past buff from Sigewinne, which Kokomi cannot do and it's not like elemental application matters much is a mono elemental team. Regarding other popular teams, Ayaka Freeze with Shenhe and Kokomi is pretty much dead, hardly anyone plays that anymore, and on Nilou Bloom team Kokomi is better I'll give you that but Barbara does pretty much the same job as Kokomi with worse healing (Yaoyao can compensate for that) but better mobility. Sigewinne can run Tenacity too if you want and her signature is definitly not as significant as you said in the video (neither of the two need R1 to shine). She misses TToDS, that's true, but not needing to be on field to heal the whole party IS a big upside Sigewinne has compared to Kokomi that isn't talked about enough
I mean if in the future Hoyo release an Ayaka freeze abyss, Kokomi will have another good team that Sigewinne can't compete with, and mono hydro team is already so fcking strong with Kokomi, Yelan, and Furina core, there's no point in using Yelan to deal more damage onfield and even if Sigewinne version of mono hydro team is better than Kokomi it's not like it's a big upgrade or anything, you might be able to slice off 2 to 3 or more second off of that floor. Oh, and that's just ONE team that can be better, any of the other teams that Kokomi got used in will stay the same, and Sigewinne will never be able to replace Kokomi in Bloom team (Nilou bloom, Hyperbloom, Burgeon) in Freeze team (Ayaka + Shenhe) Taser team (With or without Furina) and another thing about Kokomi is that she's not tide to Furina to do her job well unlike Sigewinne. Kokomi is just better IMHO. Kokomi is just simply more versatile period
@@TheOne_OnlyOne I have in fact never stated that Sigewinne is better than Kokomi in Bloom team and Freeze, but I would say that in Hyperbloom and Burgeon Kokomi is outclassed by Xingqiu anyway so there is no reason to run her either, and Furina Charlotte is a batter Freeze Team Comp. Lastly, why would Tase be better with Kokomi? She doesn't provide much either: Xingqiu Yelan or Furina already apply enough hydro, Fischl is Fischl, without Furina Kokomi isn't doing much dmg either in this team specifically and I would argue Sigewinne does better DMG here
@@DDDMei In this particular conversation that we have, we are comparing Kokomi with Siggwinne here tho, there's no point in bringing Xinque or Yelan here, both of them are offield damage dealers while Kokomi and Siggwinne are healers and of course a healer will never be able to deal more damage and apply more hydro than an offield damage dealers, that's a given and yes Xinque and Yelan might be better in burgeon and hyperbloom team, Kokomi is still good in that teams but Siggwinne is not. Maybe Charlotte+Furina freeze might be better but Ayaka + Shenhe and Kokomi freeze is still good and both of these teams don't want Siggwinne. Lastly the taser team, that I mentioned, I simply mean that Kokomi can be played in this team without Furina and it's still good or if played with Furina it's also good it kinda depends on your preference of which character you want to play in this team. Kokomi is still better tho imo
I was saying that Sigewinne was at best a Kokomi sidegrade in one of your previous videos. I still stand by that. Glad to hear you came to the same conclusion.
usually in a pros/cons video its first impressions of a unit, & since the character isn't out yet, a lot of my opinions are subject to change this is why follow-up videos like this are important to update said opinions
I agree that Sieg is a high investment character, but I think Furina is meant to be a Sieg support not the other way around. Her entire kit is built around getting you to include Furina in her teams. I think it’s pretty obvious to want moe Furina cons over pretty much any unit because Furina is arguably the best unit in the game. End of the day I guess I’ll agree overall that maybe Sieg is worse but that’s because DPS units always have less value, but all of her cons scream to me “I want to be a DPS”! Sieg does require a lot of investment to be what she truly wants to be though. I don’t have a problem with them releasing whale units especially since we’re at a point in the version where people are going to skip no matter what.
I remember when everyone hated Kokomi, I was and am still on the Kokotrain, I pulled her on her first banner and she has been in my team since, it’s actually pretty crazy, In my Eula team she is the healer, In my Ayaka team she is the the Hydro for freeze and healer, and in my Nahida team she is the Hydro Driver!
It feel like Sigewinne meant to team up with Furina to max out fanfare. At the same time she pretty much buff Furina summon minion along with it and any one also do off field DPS that is. Kind a think of it. Compare to Kokomi. Kokomi only meant to heal, apply hydro off field often, and can be sub DPS. Kokomi don't have any thing to buff the team with out artifact/weapon if I think about it. Every time I use Sigewinne. I kind a have to have a character of field sub DPS into the team or other wise it pretty much a waste of talent buff. Then again. Sigewinne can buff Kokomi Jelly fish. That some thing at less. So it not a total waste from my point of view.
Sigewinne is a better healer, damage dealer and buffer than Kokomi. Kokomi is a better hydro applicator. Sigewinne is a lot better than Kokomi on Furina teams if you have a C0 or C1 furina. Her team wide heal on skill is far superior for generating fan fair stacks than Kokomi's skill and burst. Now if you have a C2 furina or higher none of this matters because the smallest amount of healing done by any healer or even prototype amber pretty much maxes her buff potential immediately. This is pretty much the same thing that happened on Kokomi's release. Everyone was claiming she was bad and a few months later they were praising her.
I subscribed four the jock at the end 😂😂😂 A fair video about Koko and Sijewin, som caracters ar primogem traps that look chute onli so players wil spend mor monney wen good caracters wil apear ✌️
@@Juice-chan First impression is the most important thing. When you said 1:1 copy I know you don't know anything about both character so the rest of the video aren't worth my time.
I know that i may sound like a Kokocoper, but Kokomi has to be one of the reasons why Hoyo doesn’t release a "pyro Xingqiu," i mean just look at her stats, if Kokomi has access to an off-field pyro applier to vape all her autos Crit Koko with EM/Hydro DMG bonus/Crit, Mayonnaise hunter and Sacrificial jade + Furina and Kazuha would do insane dmg (at least on paper) Like yes Koko’s tiny 15-30k dmg on her autos in mono Hydro isn’t good dps, but considering that that’s without being able to vape nor crit it’s actually really "base damage" imo
kokomi's always had that neat little thing going for her, good 'base damage'. issue is that it can't be amplified very well, but even so, she's a very neat all-round driver & externally capable buffer
@@RafaelBanks69 It’s not really that as it used to be, Mayonnaise hunter + crit circlet + sacrificial jade already gives her positive crit rate, then you just need good luck on your substats and you can reach 40-60 crit rate with still some room for crit sub stats, sure, not ideal but definitely doable, you just need to pray that hoyo gives you good artifacts xD (or if you’re a lucky madman and have like 40+ crit value on all your artifact substats you can just go with a crit dmg circlet) anyway, point being is that Koko was balanced around being able to deal at least some damage without being able to crit nor vape consistently so her base numbers are actually impressive, but in this hypothetical where she can crit + vape even with low crit damage she could still do some solid dmg because of her base dmg.
It's genuinely so depressing seeing my favorite character called so awful by the fanbase she's constantly compared to dehya and everyone rarely entertains the idea of her being worth anything
yo! i do have a video about sigewinne's pros & cons where i do cover a lot of her pros as a character too. i do wish that sigewinne was better, but she is still servicable. i myself ADORE venti & ganyu so i understand your position, these two characters are constantly underrated, really wish hoyo just upped her hydro app, burst duration & let her trigger yelan so she could be a kok upg :/
Yeah I'm pretty sure I watched that video I originally lost my 50/50 to furina and have been waiting for furina to rerun ever since, but I got attached to sigewinne so quickly I knew I had to get her And made my friends jealous with how lucky my pulls were (I spent for the first time, got both furina and sigewinne, and an r2 furina signature) It just makes me sad to know how bad sigewinne really is and that even though I love her so much I spent money just to make sure I got her there's always gonna be better options... Doesn't mean I'm not gonna milk her for all she's worth tho (Unrelated I lost my 50/50 to furina again, and got tighnari again (which caused my partner physical pain they've been wanting him for at least a year before I began playing) and then proceeded to get furina with only 20 pity alongside 3 4 stars lmao)@@Juice-chan
if she is future impact im going to be upset, not because i like her but because that means a future will be incomplete without her and if i like them, well my dislike for sigueine will probably trump my glaze for that character
@@Juice-chan but what if she is the one who enables a character instead of the other way around, i dont know how but those soul drops she drops worries me, becasue she has no use with neivellete
@@maevethefox5912i too skipped nahida for her design even though..she's my personal second best archon after zhongli..(she's smart and gentle ,i like intelligence) 😭 it's just feels so good to use characters like yelan and Xianyun for exploration
If I had a nickel for every time Hoyo released a bow character that does the exact same thing as an existing character, but worse, I'd have two nickels... At least Yoimiya is ACTUALLY cute xD
People are overlooking her sub dps potential. Gear her similarly to yelan and she’ll do great as a quick swap healer/burst dps. She requires less field time to fully utilise her full kit unlike kokomi. Both have their own uses.
Except you can’t really do that until at least c1 because she has horrible uptime on her skill, even with sac bow it’s not great and using sac bow lowers her damage, it just isn’t worth it.
@@taylorgreen2954 not true. I’ve been running her in different comps and have very little issue with rotation. I’ve used recurve, her sig, fav, sac they don’t make much difference in your rotation. People really have unrealistic expectations for healers. My emblem sigewinne with full buffs deals 28k burst per pick at c0r1. Not terrible considering she’s still built triple HP. Also cleared abyss 12 with her.
Cutest playable character, yes. Easily. Cutest Melusine? Not even close. She's even by far the _ugliest_ Melusine in the game, but after playing her story quest, I forgive her for destroying her beautiful face. (I don't however forgive Hoyoverse for forcing her to do so.)
Heyo juice, I just wanted to ask, I know this isn’t a furina vid, but I left a comment and you didn’t see it so I’m just gonna say it here, is furina good in a team where raiden (main dps) furina, Bennet and xianling are there?
This video feels personal...💀 Don't have Kokomi, or any characters that actually work with her, other then Nilou. I prefer using other characters as hydro application in the first place... my playstyle preference and account is just different from other players, i guess. I do believe that her kit seems to be locked in her c1 and c2 (hoyo's shenanigans 101). But saying Koko is better; period, is like if i was saying Koko sucks because she's hydro.
@@Juice-chan a healer that can also do great damage, you can basically build them as two in one character, healer+dps. While that can also work for kokomi there are downfalls to it because she'll do less healing with a dps build and less DMG with a healer build. As for sigewinne and furina, their dmg is based off HP, their healing is also based off HP.
In regards of Sigewinne, if you have no intention to pull for her C6R1~R5, don't bother build her for damage. You're wasting your time. At C0~C5 Sigewinne is just a healer/skill buffer.
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hihi! i covered this exstensively in my furina guide where i have a section on 'C6 weapons'. but TLDR is that i think Key is stronger because of the crazy EM conversion, you get nearly DOUBLE an EM sands out of an R1 key's passive assuming you have 60k HP after C2 buffs (so imagine that even if you had less HP, that'd still be worth over an EM sands). Splendor only becomes better if you have so much HP & outside EM sources (like instructors bennett, C2 kazuha) that Splendor's Crit starts to become more worthwhile. hope this helped good man! :D
(Please don’t crucify me Clorinde and Sigewinne mains) It’s interesting how 4.7 5 stars tried to be a side-grade/upgrade to 2.1 5 stars and even though they did manage to be better in some ways they still just ended up just being worse overall Like Kokomi and Sigewinne, Sigewinne tried to come for Kokomi as the new best Hydro 5 star healer…well she can heal more off-field and can buff elemental skill dmg, but she’s still worse than Kokomi because Kokomi has better Hydro applications and damage (if you use Kokomi on-field like in mono hydro) so Kokomi just fits in more teams than Sigewinne, and in teams where you could use either Sigewinne or Kokomi the latter is just better usually. And then there’s Raiden and Clorinde, Clorinde tried coming for Raiden as the new best on-field Electro dps and well it does seem that she succeeded at C0, like at C0 from what i have seen Clorinde does have a higher damage ceiling than Raiden (also i say at C0 because im pretty sure that at C2/C3 Raiden wipes the floor with Clorinde), but considering that Raiden on top of being a DPS also supports her team by giving dmg bonus and recharging her teammate’s bursts (compared to Clorinde who does nothing but deal dmg) and on top of that Raiden can fit in a LOT more teams than Clorinde AND she also has her EM Hyperbloom sub-dps playstyle…yeah Raiden is still the better unit overall/has more account value than Clorinde
c0 Clorinde definitely has a higher damage potential than c0 Raiden, but at the cost of basically any versatility. You play her in Aggravate. Anything else feels real bad. Raiden is still at least somewhat viable in Rational or Overload, and legit great as a hyperbloom trigger at c0.
You two is one off rare Genshin player who apreciate Ei versatile role. Most of time i see someone praise her as top tier char who must pull so many players come scream why her? Why not Clorinde? Clorinde is beat her at dmg. And as someone who simp Ei i just read that kind comment with laugh. Like why there are so many player who dislike it when someone praise her?
Diona uses it second best, but yeah, she's generally there for support, and that means Fav or Sacrificial. Though if you want to push her shield/healing to the max... For Yelan, it is not ideal. The 3 star bow is pretty close in damage for her, but overall, you're probably better off with Fav or Elegy for her energy needs, unless you run her signature.
She's not bad as a sub dps. Give her an emblem crit build and Aqua (practically Yelan build) and she's done. Sigwinne damage goes up to 50k per tick on C0.50k raw hydro damage with aoe and range like Neuvilette while overhealing Furina's buff. She's solid for teams with longer rotations. Your low hydro app does not interfere with quicken and spread reactions. And she doesn't need Furina. I use it with Itto, for example. Sig + Itto + Chiori + Gorou. Sig buffs Chiroi, creates Crystal Shards for Geo Resonance, and drops strong blasts inbetween rotations. Everyone just looks at her buff passive, but god damn she's a fun sub dps. Not meta, but not bad either.
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Goes to show, when it comes to Hydro, the Hydro application is one of the first things we look at support wise. That's why Kokomi can't be fully replaced yet, cause of no ICD.
ignoring the massive c1 to yap about the niche c2 is quite misleading. at c1 sigewinne buffs c0 furina enough to match c2 dmg with full fanfare, which is "a lot more significant." obviously you could just get c2 furina with those pulls, but this isn't a furina investment video. i agree that in versatility kokomi is ahead because she doesn't need furina in her teams, but if furina is in the equation sigewinne is tailor-made for her and works much better in abyss and especially overworld. for most players these are both characters you would only pull if you love them, both of which have their own unique strengths.
sigewinne is not a bad unit and is certainly not on qiqi or 4 star levels. early investment is very rewarding on her, much more than the video made it seem, and she feels great to play in many teams with furina. i encourage people to think for themselves for their pulls instead of following whatever the popular rhetoric against a character is.
THIS!!! 👆
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Sigewinne should have been a 4star and Kokomi should have a rerun this summer. I've been waiting for her since I joined Genshin last November, she's been my most wanted character since day 1. :(
I remember during the early Fontaine, some leakers were calling Furina a possible koko power creep...and now we got Sige but the fish is still undefeated and even stronger than ever. Power creep doesnt exists in genshin (we dont talk about Neuillette)
If the "level 100" and "new 3rd ascension talent" rumors are real they HAVE to make Ayato’s 3rd talent about EM/Dendro reaction because poor Ayato got shoved out of the meta with Neuvillette’s release but Neuvi doesn’t typically play in Dendro teams so that’s one niche that they could give Ayato
(Oh and also same goes for Klee, like pls Mihoyo just make her scale off of EM, it would give her her own burgeon niche + burgeon matches with her since she likes to blow things up lol)
@@ATMEIDAREYAIDOUBLEDAREYA Ayato was the entire reason why I didnt want to talk about Neuvi, my boy needs help, I can let Dehya slide cuz standard but Ayato is a limited unit ffs, buff him 😭
(Klee too 😔)
@@ATMEIDAREYAIDOUBLEDAREYA Klee is actually really strong her right now. she works extremely well in mono pyro teams with furina performing similarly if not better than lyney depending on circumstances.
What surprises me is that the “Koko fish character” can’t swim better than any other character or at least swim everywhere. Duh HoYo so dumb.
@@tropicthndrFurina IS better and power creep IS a thing, smh. You are delusional.
I like characters that suck, it gives me a chance to save my primos
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"Never use Sigewinne yogether with Neuvillette"
My Sigewinne with sac bow for Source water droplets generation for extra Neuvi blast: 🐌 *sad melusine noises*
I never thought of this! Putting Sac bow on my Siegewinne right now!
The question “Is ____ better then sigewinne” is usually gonna end in a yes💀
Haha 😂😂😂
Dehya:
@@joeltoomer3332Dehya is much better what?
@@San-cb9mj no she isnt...
also qiqi:
See title -> kokomi is better -> close video
there is still nuance to be had which you miss out on by skipping the entire thing
@@Juice-chanimao
sigewinne is stronger in mono hydro tho? Yelan can be on field and can receive her own passive and sigewinne stacks fanfare faster than kokomi and off field at that
Even if she is a very slight upgrade over Kokomi in monohydro - that’s one team. I would much rather pull a unit that’s slightly worse in one team than another unit, but has access to so many other teams that the other unit doesn’t.
I don't think Genshin have a better healer than Kokomi at all... In terms of healing, Qiqi comes close (by being a 5*) but the mermaid still undefated.
Im too lazy to drive with kokomi and would rather let my auto turrets do all my damage (buffed by sigewinne)
SHE DOES NOT FREZZE LIKE KOKOMI. This makes here a better hydro unit already.
Barbara frezzes, waterboy frezzes.
Barbara freezes herself to
Kokonation rise up!
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Honestly, i really like Seigweinne. If youre not looking for damage for her, shes like a hydro Yaoyao. To be honest, Seigweinne is way more like Yaoyao than Kokomi herself. As someone with Kokomi, i honestly prefer Seigweine, just because she actually minor buffs my team, and with the sac bow, she can reduce her cool down twice. Then again, there are better characters like Diona, Kokomi, even Barbara, Jean. I still like Seigweinne because shes a hydro bow healer. I just wished she was a 4*, just like how Faruzan is a 4* and she is amazing with Scaramouche at C6. Had she been a 4*, we could wish for Seigweinne along with Furina, but i believe thats exactly why Hoyo made Seigweinne a 5*
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people keep complaining should be grateful instead, because if it's a skip it means you can save primos, and we all know how bad is farming them in this game
it would be much worse if every chara is superb
I don’t got kokomi and got sig like 15 pity. I like her with furina
"Because her kit needs to be imprisoned." Savage! I had considered pulling for her because she is adorable but meh. I'd rather throw more primos at Furina. Should I go for Furina's weapon or wait for a better weapons banner?
Thanks for the direct comparison, Juice, I was wondering about Sigwinne vs Kokomi. I'll stick with my pretty jellyfish.
Her weapon is really only good for her, so I'd hold off. Especially since Nilou is rumored to be re-running soon, and that means the Key, which also a good weapon for Furina, as well as the likes of Kuki. So assuming they don't ruin that banner with an overly niche or just outright bad second weapon...
i'd say if you have C2 then splendor becomes worth it :) & yep... sigewinne is fairly similar, but kok just has more flexibiity
Yall if you want Sigewinne still get her I have her and i 100% don’t regret, her gameplay is really fun and she’s a super comfy healer. Personally I don’t think the important thing is meta, but whether you like the character’s design, story, gameplay etc. I’m not hating on this vid, it’s a good guide, but I’m just saying that all Sigewinne wanters/havers shouldn't regret pulling for her.
naturally the final conclusion will always be: 'get the character you want'
however, primogems are a finite resource, which is why videos like mine help with managing them; F2Ps spend months to get ONE character, that character better be good, y'know?
@@Juice-chan true!
@@Juice-chan If I'm saving for a character months in advance I'm getting _that_ character. I basically started saving for Nahida nearly a _year_ in advance, before anyone even name. Nobody could've convinced me to not pull for her at that point even if she was the worst character in the game.
Same with Sigewinne. I knew I would pull for her by the time I finished Chapter 4 Act 4, and nothing was going to convince me otherwise.
Why is everyone talking about sigiwine being good in the future are there a characters or artifacts sets that i dont know about
No she has veryyyyyyy small potential unlike kokogoat and nilou
i didn't say that, i said that maybe her passives will give her future potential, not that she will be good in the future per se
@@Juice-chan oh sorry I didn't mean my comment to be rude 🫶 it's just that I've heard a lot of talk of people saying that sigiwine would be good in the future 😅
They probably just assuming that Sigewinne will be Kuki 2.0, because many people had been saying that Kuki is mid. And you do know how Kuki is right now after dendro release. Dehya and Kaveh, these two were supposed to be the original Kuki 2.0, but yeah that didn't happen.
Its possible they will add a mehanic in future where healing over time hurts you more than heal, so healers with instant heal will be much better.
Since its fire nation, maybe some fire debuff that prevents healing for X seconds. Like cutting off hydra head and applying fire to stop it from regening.
Sigewinne is wonderful! ❤ What is often forgotten is, that Sigewinne makes underwater fights a breeze - near immortality!
Thank god she makes the easiest part of the game even easier 😮💨
@@incho3735 not quite - there is at least one of the more difficult enemies in the water, that I finally won against thanks to Sigewinne ....
@@Andreas_Straubthere is mechanism to defeat them that is easier then getting a five star😢... Also it would be more relevant if she was released during early game..I'm sure many of the daily players already 100% Fontaine...very little reason to go back inside the water
@@soujiokita6062 Well, this is just an added bonus, but not the main reason I pulled this adorable character ;-)
Or use Dehya
yes she may be tied to Furina (just like any other team wide Healer btw), but the thing is Furina-Sigewinne is pretty much playable with every single character in the game (except maybe Neuvilette) and I really don't understande why would Kokomi be better in a Monohydro comp: none of them contribute to a significant amount of DMG, but let's say Kokomi does decentish DPS, on the other side with Sigewinne you can On-Field Yelan who can makes use of both her own A4 passive and Song of Days Past buff from Sigewinne, which Kokomi cannot do and it's not like elemental application matters much is a mono elemental team. Regarding other popular teams, Ayaka Freeze with Shenhe and Kokomi is pretty much dead, hardly anyone plays that anymore, and on Nilou Bloom team Kokomi is better I'll give you that but Barbara does pretty much the same job as Kokomi with worse healing (Yaoyao can compensate for that) but better mobility. Sigewinne can run Tenacity too if you want and her signature is definitly not as significant as you said in the video (neither of the two need R1 to shine). She misses TToDS, that's true, but not needing to be on field to heal the whole party IS a big upside Sigewinne has compared to Kokomi that isn't talked about enough
I mean if in the future Hoyo release an Ayaka freeze abyss, Kokomi will have another good team that Sigewinne can't compete with, and mono hydro team is already so fcking strong with Kokomi, Yelan, and Furina core, there's no point in using Yelan to deal more damage onfield and even if Sigewinne version of mono hydro team is better than Kokomi it's not like it's a big upgrade or anything, you might be able to slice off 2 to 3 or more second off of that floor. Oh, and that's just ONE team that can be better, any of the other teams that Kokomi got used in will stay the same, and Sigewinne will never be able to replace Kokomi in Bloom team (Nilou bloom, Hyperbloom, Burgeon) in Freeze team (Ayaka + Shenhe) Taser team (With or without Furina) and another thing about Kokomi is that she's not tide to Furina to do her job well unlike Sigewinne. Kokomi is just better IMHO. Kokomi is just simply more versatile period
@@TheOne_OnlyOne I have in fact never stated that Sigewinne is better than Kokomi in Bloom team and Freeze, but I would say that in Hyperbloom and Burgeon Kokomi is outclassed by Xingqiu anyway so there is no reason to run her either, and Furina Charlotte is a batter Freeze Team Comp. Lastly, why would Tase be better with Kokomi? She doesn't provide much either: Xingqiu Yelan or Furina already apply enough hydro, Fischl is Fischl, without Furina Kokomi isn't doing much dmg either in this team specifically and I would argue Sigewinne does better DMG here
@@DDDMei In this particular conversation that we have, we are comparing Kokomi with Siggwinne here tho, there's no point in bringing Xinque or Yelan here, both of them are offield damage dealers while Kokomi and Siggwinne are healers and of course a healer will never be able to deal more damage and apply more hydro than an offield damage dealers, that's a given and yes Xinque and Yelan might be better in burgeon and hyperbloom team, Kokomi is still good in that teams but Siggwinne is not. Maybe Charlotte+Furina freeze might be better but Ayaka + Shenhe and Kokomi freeze is still good and both of these teams don't want Siggwinne. Lastly the taser team, that I mentioned, I simply mean that Kokomi can be played in this team without Furina and it's still good or if played with Furina it's also good it kinda depends on your preference of which character you want to play in this team. Kokomi is still better tho imo
I was saying that Sigewinne was at best a Kokomi sidegrade in one of your previous videos. I still stand by that. Glad to hear you came to the same conclusion.
usually in a pros/cons video its first impressions of a unit, & since the character isn't out yet, a lot of my opinions are subject to change
this is why follow-up videos like this are important to update said opinions
I agree that Sieg is a high investment character, but I think Furina is meant to be a Sieg support not the other way around. Her entire kit is built around getting you to include Furina in her teams. I think it’s pretty obvious to want moe Furina cons over pretty much any unit because Furina is arguably the best unit in the game. End of the day I guess I’ll agree overall that maybe Sieg is worse but that’s because DPS units always have less value, but all of her cons scream to me “I want to be a DPS”! Sieg does require a lot of investment to be what she truly wants to be though. I don’t have a problem with them releasing whale units especially since we’re at a point in the version where people are going to skip no matter what.
I remember when everyone hated Kokomi, I was and am still on the Kokotrain, I pulled her on her first banner and she has been in my team since, it’s actually pretty crazy, In my Eula team she is the healer, In my Ayaka team she is the the Hydro for freeze and healer, and in my Nahida team she is the Hydro Driver!
It feel like Sigewinne meant to team up with Furina to max out fanfare. At the same time she pretty much buff Furina summon minion along with it and any one also do off field DPS that is. Kind a think of it. Compare to Kokomi. Kokomi only meant to heal, apply hydro off field often, and can be sub DPS. Kokomi don't have any thing to buff the team with out artifact/weapon if I think about it.
Every time I use Sigewinne. I kind a have to have a character of field sub DPS into the team or other wise it pretty much a waste of talent buff. Then again. Sigewinne can buff Kokomi Jelly fish. That some thing at less. So it not a total waste from my point of view.
Sigewinne is a better healer, damage dealer and buffer than Kokomi. Kokomi is a better hydro applicator. Sigewinne is a lot better than Kokomi on Furina teams if you have a C0 or C1 furina. Her team wide heal on skill is far superior for generating fan fair stacks than Kokomi's skill and burst. Now if you have a C2 furina or higher none of this matters because the smallest amount of healing done by any healer or even prototype amber pretty much maxes her buff potential immediately. This is pretty much the same thing that happened on Kokomi's release. Everyone was claiming she was bad and a few months later they were praising her.
I subscribed four the jock at the end 😂😂😂
A fair video about Koko and Sijewin, som caracters ar primogem traps that look chute onli so players wil spend mor monney wen good caracters wil apear ✌️
SIGEWINNE IS CUTE OK 😭
Brutally honest & I love it! & the ending comment, priceless!
:D
1:1 copy? alright, where's the do not recommend this channel button?
my man you watched the intro & didn't listen to any of my other points
@@Juice-chan First impression is the most important thing. When you said 1:1 copy I know you don't know anything about both character so the rest of the video aren't worth my time.
This is Barbara erasure.
nope, watch my previous video, i give barbara praise
this vid is comparing against 5*s, wouldn't be fair for me to randomly throw a free 4* in there
I wish they'd make more characters very similar to old ones and just as good but not better so there'd be more options
Well we do have to wait until natilan comes out as sigewinne might actually go crazy with the newer characters
Sigewinne is just CritKomi, her C6 literally enforces DPS builds.
I know that i may sound like a Kokocoper, but Kokomi has to be one of the reasons why Hoyo doesn’t release a "pyro Xingqiu," i mean just look at her stats, if Kokomi has access to an off-field pyro applier to vape all her autos Crit Koko with EM/Hydro DMG bonus/Crit, Mayonnaise hunter and Sacrificial jade + Furina and Kazuha would do insane dmg (at least on paper)
Like yes Koko’s tiny 15-30k dmg on her autos in mono Hydro isn’t good dps, but considering that that’s without being able to vape nor crit it’s actually really "base damage" imo
kokomi's always had that neat little thing going for her, good 'base damage'. issue is that it can't be amplified very well, but even so, she's a very neat all-round driver & externally capable buffer
@@Juice-chan Yeah…but Kokonation is just waiting for Hoyo to forget about Kokomi’s damage potential and release a Pyro Xingqiu 😈
the amount of crit rate you would need to make koko crit would leave pretty much zero room for actually damage stats
Did you just call it Mayonnaise hunter 😂
@@RafaelBanks69 It’s not really that as it used to be, Mayonnaise hunter + crit circlet + sacrificial jade already gives her positive crit rate, then you just need good luck on your substats and you can reach 40-60 crit rate with still some room for crit sub stats, sure, not ideal but definitely doable, you just need to pray that hoyo gives you good artifacts xD (or if you’re a lucky madman and have like 40+ crit value on all your artifact substats you can just go with a crit dmg circlet) anyway, point being is that Koko was balanced around being able to deal at least some damage without being able to crit nor vape consistently so her base numbers are actually impressive, but in this hypothetical where she can crit + vape even with low crit damage she could still do some solid dmg because of her base dmg.
i main both and i've cosplayed both :D
It's genuinely so depressing seeing my favorite character called so awful by the fanbase she's constantly compared to dehya and everyone rarely entertains the idea of her being worth anything
I haven't watched the video yet but the comments are still the same as everywhere else and it just makes me so sad she's a joke to the playerbase 😭
yo! i do have a video about sigewinne's pros & cons where i do cover a lot of her pros as a character too. i do wish that sigewinne was better, but she is still servicable. i myself ADORE venti & ganyu so i understand your position, these two characters are constantly underrated, really wish hoyo just upped her hydro app, burst duration & let her trigger yelan so she could be a kok upg :/
It's all bennet/kazuha/baizhu situation all over again
At least your fav character is an upgrade in mono hydro, Dehya my girl is a downgrade in all her teams 😭
Yeah I'm pretty sure I watched that video
I originally lost my 50/50 to furina and have been waiting for furina to rerun ever since, but I got attached to sigewinne so quickly I knew I had to get her
And made my friends jealous with how lucky my pulls were (I spent for the first time, got both furina and sigewinne, and an r2 furina signature)
It just makes me sad to know how bad sigewinne really is and that even though I love her so much I spent money just to make sure I got her there's always gonna be better options...
Doesn't mean I'm not gonna milk her for all she's worth tho
(Unrelated I lost my 50/50 to furina again, and got tighnari again (which caused my partner physical pain they've been wanting him for at least a year before I began playing) and then proceeded to get furina with only 20 pity alongside 3 4 stars lmao)@@Juice-chan
Brain juice is the best juice 🧠
if she is future impact im going to be upset, not because i like her but because that means a future will be incomplete without her and if i like them, well my dislike for sigueine will probably trump my glaze for that character
i honestly kind of doubt that she'll be THAT much better. i think she'll be more like yoimiya who went from garbage & unusable to... barely usable
If I can skip Nahida for a year and a half because I don't like chibi designs, I can sure as heck skip Sigewinne no matter what comes
@@Juice-chan but what if she is the one who enables a character instead of the other way around, i dont know how but those soul drops she drops worries me, becasue she has no use with neivellete
@@maevethefox5912 This is a fair statement... respect
@@maevethefox5912i too skipped nahida for her design even though..she's my personal second best archon after zhongli..(she's smart and gentle ,i like intelligence) 😭 it's just feels so good to use characters like yelan and Xianyun for exploration
If I had a nickel for every time Hoyo released a bow character that does the exact same thing as an existing character, but worse, I'd have two nickels...
At least Yoimiya is ACTUALLY cute xD
is this a question lol
People are overlooking her sub dps potential. Gear her similarly to yelan and she’ll do great as a quick swap healer/burst dps. She requires less field time to fully utilise her full kit unlike kokomi. Both have their own uses.
Except you can’t really do that until at least c1 because she has horrible uptime on her skill, even with sac bow it’s not great and using sac bow lowers her damage, it just isn’t worth it.
@@taylorgreen2954 not true. I’ve been running her in different comps and have very little issue with rotation. I’ve used recurve, her sig, fav, sac they don’t make much difference in your rotation. People really have unrealistic expectations for healers. My emblem sigewinne with full buffs deals 28k burst per pick at c0r1. Not terrible considering she’s still built triple HP. Also cleared abyss 12 with her.
I don’t have Kokomi,
however my Femme Fontaines
Sigewinne, Furina, Charlotte and Clorinde gave me Abyss 36* for the first time. Love it!!!
And yet I am very happy that I got c6 sigewinne (and leaving furina c0)
She is the cutest
Cutest playable character, yes. Easily.
Cutest Melusine? Not even close. She's even by far the _ugliest_ Melusine in the game, but after playing her story quest, I forgive her for destroying her beautiful face. (I don't however forgive Hoyoverse for forcing her to do so.)
Hey baizhu vs sigewenne pls🎉
Heyo juice, I just wanted to ask, I know this isn’t a furina vid, but I left a comment and you didn’t see it so I’m just gonna say it here, is furina good in a team where raiden (main dps) furina, Bennet and xianling are there?
This is such a good video and it actually explained a Lot thanks
anytime man!
SEEAAG WEEEEN
sigewinne mains says shes gonna be broken with Natlan.
New video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:DDD YOOO
This video feels personal...💀
Don't have Kokomi, or any characters that actually work with her, other then Nilou. I prefer using other characters as hydro application in the first place... my playstyle preference and account is just different from other players, i guess.
I do believe that her kit seems to be locked in her c1 and c2 (hoyo's shenanigans 101). But saying Koko is better; period, is like if i was saying Koko sucks because she's hydro.
Sigewinne is more similar to furina, kokomi is still overall the better healer and is better when it comes to dendro reactions
similar to furina? how so, elaborate
otherwise i agree that kok clears when it comes to dendro
@@Juice-chan a healer that can also do great damage, you can basically build them as two in one character, healer+dps. While that can also work for kokomi there are downfalls to it because she'll do less healing with a dps build and less DMG with a healer build. As for sigewinne and furina, their dmg is based off HP, their healing is also based off HP.
Siggwine do zero DMG dawg what are you smoking
A healing build of kokomi with ocean clued set already outdamages siggwine@@uch1hasxrasa
@@uch1hasxrasa kokomi's damage also scales on HP but also healing bonus
In regards of Sigewinne, if you have no intention to pull for her C6R1~R5, don't bother build her for damage. You're wasting your time.
At C0~C5 Sigewinne is just a healer/skill buffer.
Yes, I'm not going to go there, I was looking for an affirmation from the Brazilian for no longer wanting bad characters on the F2P account
Thank you! You're cool!
She is just a whale bait for players who want to play Yelan C6R1 with Furina C3.
Maybe it will change in the future.
How do i make kokomi mono hydro deal as much damage as yours she got out of the shelf because of furina and i use xq c6 😭
I've also been using mono hydro with Furina yelan and xingqiu and kokomi as driver...hits hard
Miss Juice, I have question. I plan on getting C6 R1 Furina and playing her as a main dps. Should I get her weapon or Nilou's?
hihi! i covered this exstensively in my furina guide where i have a section on 'C6 weapons'. but TLDR is that i think Key is stronger because of the crazy EM conversion, you get nearly DOUBLE an EM sands out of an R1 key's passive assuming you have 60k HP after C2 buffs (so imagine that even if you had less HP, that'd still be worth over an EM sands). Splendor only becomes better if you have so much HP & outside EM sources (like instructors bennett, C2 kazuha) that Splendor's Crit starts to become more worthwhile. hope this helped good man! :D
@@Juice-chan thx it helped a lot!!!!
Absolutely. Kokomi is bangable, Sigewinne is not without being arrested.
kokomi is pretty good looking, i like her eyes
weirdo touch grass asap
Genshin players never beating the creep allegations it seems.
@@kananana774 in case you didn't notice that is a joke. Also better being creepy towards fictional characters than actual people.
@@kananana774I like to think I'm not creepy about it at all, but I'd far rather spend my gems on a cute girl than a weird toddler mutant xD
I think she will be a standard 5 star.
she won't. They would've said that in the special program as they did with Tighnari and Dehya.
(Please don’t crucify me Clorinde and Sigewinne mains)
It’s interesting how 4.7 5 stars tried to be a side-grade/upgrade to 2.1 5 stars and even though they did manage to be better in some ways they still just ended up just being worse overall
Like Kokomi and Sigewinne, Sigewinne tried to come for Kokomi as the new best Hydro 5 star healer…well she can heal more off-field and can buff elemental skill dmg, but she’s still worse than Kokomi because Kokomi has better Hydro applications and damage (if you use Kokomi on-field like in mono hydro) so Kokomi just fits in more teams than Sigewinne, and in teams where you could use either Sigewinne or Kokomi the latter is just better usually.
And then there’s Raiden and Clorinde, Clorinde tried coming for Raiden as the new best on-field Electro dps and well it does seem that she succeeded at C0, like at C0 from what i have seen Clorinde does have a higher damage ceiling than Raiden (also i say at C0 because im pretty sure that at C2/C3 Raiden wipes the floor with Clorinde), but considering that Raiden on top of being a DPS also supports her team by giving dmg bonus and recharging her teammate’s bursts (compared to Clorinde who does nothing but deal dmg) and on top of that Raiden can fit in a LOT more teams than Clorinde AND she also has her EM Hyperbloom sub-dps playstyle…yeah Raiden is still the better unit overall/has more account value than Clorinde
c0 Clorinde definitely has a higher damage potential than c0 Raiden, but at the cost of basically any versatility.
You play her in Aggravate. Anything else feels real bad.
Raiden is still at least somewhat viable in Rational or Overload, and legit great as a hyperbloom trigger at c0.
You two is one off rare Genshin player who apreciate Ei versatile role. Most of time i see someone praise her as top tier char who must pull so many players come scream why her? Why not Clorinde? Clorinde is beat her at dmg. And as someone who simp Ei i just read that kind comment with laugh. Like why there are so many player who dislike it when someone praise her?
Idk which one is more meme-ish
Sigewinne or Klee or both...
They are the joke 🥳
So I lost to sigewinne weapon who can use it? I don’t think anyone can Dionna likes her energy and Yelan doesn’t heal… 😢
Diona uses it second best, but yeah, she's generally there for support, and that means Fav or Sacrificial. Though if you want to push her shield/healing to the max...
For Yelan, it is not ideal. The 3 star bow is pretty close in damage for her, but overall, you're probably better off with Fav or Elegy for her energy needs, unless you run her signature.
She's not bad as a sub dps. Give her an emblem crit build and Aqua (practically Yelan build) and she's done.
Sigwinne damage goes up to 50k per tick on C0.50k raw hydro damage with aoe and range like Neuvilette while overhealing Furina's buff.
She's solid for teams with longer rotations. Your low hydro app does not interfere with quicken and spread reactions. And she doesn't need Furina. I use it with Itto, for example. Sig + Itto + Chiori + Gorou. Sig buffs Chiroi, creates Crystal Shards for Geo Resonance, and drops strong blasts inbetween rotations.
Everyone just looks at her buff passive, but god damn she's a fun sub dps. Not meta, but not bad either.