Wordpress in 2024?
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- Опубликовано: 12 мар 2024
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"PHP variables start with $ because php developers make money"
"I thought WordPress was dead." -- My guy ... it powers like 40% of the internet.
It's crazy how many people have that perspective though
Glad to see you here, Kev😂
Good advice, every day new technology comes out that's going to replace everything! I've been programming since 1980 and am still maintaining applications that were written 20 years ago... People said they were obsolete 15 years ago....
The nice thing about the old technology is it doesn't take massive power to run sites.
I'm all for new technology and frameworks but the old stuff isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
I have several WordPress sites that I set up in hours that have served their purposes well for more than a decade.
I’ve started learning it lately so I could have it as a tool in the box when I’m freelancing as a developer for the instances where some one needs a very simple site and I could reach for a template I could utilize & customize. I had a client last month and built the site with next which was probably overkill. But, could have learned Wordpress and used that honestly.
I've been using WordPress since 2008, and every year I love it more and learn new stuff
WordPress is my bread and butter. I'd be homeless without it.
Same
What should I learn as a new in this game
same here, very easy to use and the SEO integration is amazing
@@ihzonaidthey’re moving a lot to React for frontend but still going to be heavy in PHP, so those are the two
Same
What always baffles me is if you look at most tutorials for modern stacks (react, vue, svelte, angular etc) they all go to the process of building a blog..so, dive into the terminal, install all the packages and dependencies, create the routes/logic, create components, build the theme, set up the db, then hook up a headless cms to manage it all……or you could just install Wordpress and it’s done..takes less than a minute. 🤷♂️
These young dudes don't understand that a company won't just rewrite their whole code base for nothing
I have been doing wordpress for the last 12 years, even have an agency and use Wordpress for all APIs and mobile apps APIs. Many times I use Wordpress just for the API and react for the front end for different web apps for customers.
Are you leveraging WordPress as a headless CMS? If that's the case, could you disclose whether you're employing React or Next.js for the frontend? Additionally, are you utilizing React Native for the mobile applications?
@@cyprusdroneworks Yes i am using wordpress as headless, but I also like to use the front end part of Wordpress, just for easy SEO purposes, and for the page builder and all the benefits, of quickly developing a plugin from scratch for various things. For mobile apps yes react native with an API from Wordpress, works like a charm to build an MVP or even big enterprise software network. I do that in my agency where I have an MVP building service.
This is what I'm doing right now. I came back to WordPress and doing PHP-Laravel. I focus on backend and do minimal front end with Vue 3.
exactly. Pick a backend stack of choice and deal with the frontend with whatever you like.
Here in the philippines if you manage a ecommerce wordpress a 5 websites your monthly income is almost half million for the maintenance.
thats why people are moving to shopify
WordPress is timeless 🎉
Thanks for posting!
You're welcome
I have been having wordpress hosting plan for years but never really getting anything done, your video is great to review the knowledge. Thanks a lot :D
Glad it was helpful!
Very good work! =D
Just in time. Ive been thinking of relearning wordpress and php for some freelance work. I think it might be worth it
COBOL has been "dying" for decades. Still around. And it makes me happy. I love legacy code and systems. I don't care for new and shiny. Heart wants what heart wants.
Hell, send me back to 1980s.
I just mentioned this to someone on another youtube video in the comments section about C/C# being replaced..They swore it those core languages would be replaced soon...I said..."Like COBOL being replaced?" Lol
@@imdtap1448A lot of that code will outlive us.
As a Freelancer-Solopreneur, WordPress gives me more flexibility than a WebBuilder, and is simpler than a Framework (Laravel, Vue.js). And with a simple Shared Hosting I can have my website up and running.
On top of that, WP keeps moving forward-improving, has changed its paradigm into 'Blocks'.
So is not deprecated or crappy old but continuously changing, which is good
Can you tell me more about such projects?
which hosting do you use?
TYVM
Excellent, thank you
You are welcome!
The reality is, us developers love using tools like react, vue etc but the people out there actually paying for jobs 9/10 don't want all the latest and greatest js frameworks etc, they just want a website and thats why PHP, wordpress, jquery etc all these tools that we stick our noses up at are still very much alive and well.
i went to webflow and love it. Stop manually creating manual front ends, switched to custom backends using aws, intergrate it with my webflow app, then write my apis in either minimal api (dotnet), golang, or rust axum. Very simple apis too.
$39 A month for a 150 page site? after that they have to customize a plan for you? that won't work for large enterprise businesses or any blog owners
@@lioninthemountain6350 Idk what you want though, for it to be free? 😂🤔 Even if i did the backend with mostly aws services, for sites with more your looking at $50 to $100 depending like you stated over 150 pages. You have to spend money to make money. Just saying. 😉. The customer atleast gets a CMS to manage and update some of the data or add a new blog depending on how you build the site and I wouldn’t even touch this for a corporation/enterprise app. At that point it would be a full framework or typescript in the frontend with the backend seperate. Oh it’s actually $29 to, which makes what you say even more hilarious 🤣. and $23 if you buy the yearly plan. No matter what atleast for the frontend this is where the market is going. The first jobs AI 🤖 is taking is frontend development anyway! I wasn’t going to reply to you because i felt like if this guy thinks $39 is a lot of money he hasn’t done a lot of freelance work lately or ever! Your worried about $39 a month which is actually $29 a month atleast for me on the east coast in america when the customer, that isn’t technical gets a cms and you can customize it for them? 🤔 Make it make sense 😂. You can go with wordpress for sure and save yourself a lot or a couple of bucks. If that is what you were saying ok. Agreed. I like wordpress a lot but i’m working as a backend engineer these days, so handing over a lot of the frontend to webflow then customizing it here in there with typescript code then adding more customizations in the backend with something else works for me. Hopefully you get what i’m saying.
We maintain enterprise sites bulit on a headless Wordpress architecture. Wordpress functionality and UX is second to none, however there are three major down sides. 1. Maintaining plugins, core and infra up to date and patched.2. Managing environments. 3. Localization is horrible. None of the major localisation plugins are up to scratch.
Uncle Stef, what are your thoughts about Flutter ? should I go with flutter or the native development (kotlin), i am confused if you could help me please
Go with flutter been doing it now for 4years
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Stefan, could you (or anyone else) point me to any resources that will help me grasp the landscape of Wordpress and Wordpress-like tools? I’m having trouble getting a feel for what Wordpress can offer me wrt hosting, cms, etc functionality and how to decide if it’s right for a certain project.
I don't know but i newly start my career as a WordPress developer make custom theme and make custom back end
For a basic 5 to 10 page, informational, About Us website, templates and/or generative workflow and AI will build a WordPress site in a few minutes at no charge or nearly so. The same applies to other platforms. The design (graphics, images, text) can also be generated for free for a good start. The same applies to many other website builder platforms-as-a-service.
Who is making $300,000/year building WordPress websites?
A Glide App (for example) and a CRM or Task Manager template gives you a decent SMB application at little to no cost.
It entirely depends on what the site/app is for. Most of the small independent website builders doing websites for small to medium businesses all use WordPress and rightly so. There's a whole real world out there outside of multinational tech corporations and specialist corporate web apps that need ordinary websites for their ordinary business. And several multinational corporations I've worked in, all used WordPress when it was easiest for simple but good looking internal intranet sites for staff news, staff magazines etc., project info pages etc. Ain't no one going to waste good time and money on some custom design ground up development for such things. Just because a company usually uses trucks and trains for most of it's freight, does not mean it never ever needs or will ever use a simple car or van for something.
Do you have any thoughts on Drupal?
I'll give you mine. Drupal was my "first love" in the open source CMS world.
But starting from Drupal 8 it became more of an an enterprise solution, than something viable for small business.
The notorious "forklift" upgrades from one major version to another were deal breakers for many.
Uncle Stefan,I use this cmssystem about ten years,but I can't write phpscript,so it's so bad
Love wordpress flexibility
Could you provide wordpess course? I want to become word press developer. have knowledge on page builder. want to learn custom theme development, woocommerce integration and customization, want to convert static template to functional WordPress theme. please help me how can i proceed!!!
Wordpress & Php are immortal
I've been using Wordpress but... I don't find the page builders faster than just doing everything with HTML/CSS from first principles. Am I doing it wrong??
It’s not about the site. It’s about the CMS.
Pagebuilders comes with a lot of javascript and I mean a LOT of javascript code. That can slow a webpage down. Plain HTML/CSS will always be faster.
Yeah same. even when using wordpress, html/css knowledge pushes you ahead of others because you can go all out on elementor/divi or etc. You can comfortably control the entire template
in the context of freelancing, does it help to know how to build wordpress themes from scratch?
Themes aren't really where the action is with WordPress anymore.
Everyone I know uses a vanilla "starter" theme and then does all the customization with page builders (or Gutenberg if you have a masochistic streak).
I don’t see much call for theme developers anymore, a lot of the high end Wordpress developer jobs are for plug-in development.
Wordpress will not be overthrown until Next.js - Vercel will build a CMS with a plugin / theme marketplace, which they absolutely could do with their influence, and they should, having a one language is still an advantage, some people are trying to build it themselves but imo it has to be developed by nextjs themselves, but they are still lagging which sucks a lot, you can`t do a simple login with email verification without including a third party saas like clerk and resend, next auth implementation takes time and there is a no template, next auth is not owned by vercel, which to me is a mind blowing thing, they could buy it, i do not know which is even messier next/npm world or wordpress theme/plugin ecosystem lol
Give me a choice between a QUOTE "Full Stack Developer" and someone who doesn't write a lick of PHP but knows the WordPress eco-system inside and out.
For a WordPress project ... ?
It's not contest. I'll take the WordPress guy EVERY DAY.
WordPress is like that guy who used to be good at his job from his 20's to his late 40's, but gave up caring somewhere along the way, and is still there just because of seniority. It's a gutter tier piece of software, but it has authority and seniority. Being able to use Relume's AI wireframe tool alongside Figma & Webflow is like heaven comparatively. Eventually, the tides will turn and WordPress will die a managed death like Weebly.
Stupid question time: it takes me at least a week of solid work to build an attractive Wordpress theme from scratch suitable for, say, a small business that just needs a welcome page, a few product details, photos and a contact form. Is this normal?
Why would you built a site from scratch unless the need of that site is very unique? Do you only use roads you build? I don't get the thought process. Besides the great learning of skills it provided you, there's rarely a need to do it.
Don't do that. Invest in a block based parent theme like Avada or Salient.
Depending on the project scope that can be normal. Honestly, unless the template has to be crazy unique in its structure and/or functionality, you end up doing a lot of the same sort of layouts over and over again. Meaning a lot of it you can reuse from one theme you create to another.
Builders like elementor, bricks, breakdance etc etc are insanely powerful these days, you can design pages very quickly and then save them as templates which can be re-used on other sites, they also come with a load of pre-built templates and patterns (like headers, cta’s, footers, etc) which u can use to get up and running even faster
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“Php in 2024”
😂 Php has been dying for 30 years at this point.
But, still powers a lot of websites I don’t get how that is “dying”. C & C++ will go before PHP
COBOL has been dying longer. Still around. And it makes me happy. I love legacy code and systems.
What about Webflow? What's the climate on that?
Much smaller, I believe... in terms of websites designed with it. But it's cool specially for designers (I'm one, but I don't use Webflow), and outputs cleaner code than Wordpress, if I am not wrong. In the end, it doesn't matter, for me. I care about what is more asked for, the "installed base".
@@3polygons so what do you use for website design? I look out other websites for inspiration, but sometimes it's complex to create with just wordpress.
Wordpress is king. Nothing comes close
WordPress will never die! I know WordPress inside out! I can buy templates 😂.
I started learning yesterday so I could freelance with it. I’m also going to use it as a CMS
Majority of the internet runs on wordpress, probably the main thing that keeps php devs employed.
I've been running wordpress for over a decade out of sheer laziness.
Same
THE QUESTION: Is there realy a better alternative then WordPress, even considering starting a new classic web project?
Can you give me examples bllz
no alternative
Uncle Stef, what are your thoughts about Devin?
Hype, anyone worried about it needs to focus on learning and adapting. We are called life long learners for a reason. Our job is to continue learning & adapting to the state of the industry. Don’t worry about the technology when it becomes mainstream we will adapt to the change then, for now continue business as usual. Devin is cool but isn’t very much different than ChatGPT and won’t be taking jobs any time soon
CEOs, marketers, managers and salesmen love it because now they can fire all the developers.
Developers love it because now they'll be rehired to fix all the stupid mistakes resulting from this decision.
Not considered safe to use by security experts. They might only consider extremely few (less than 5) Wordpress hosting providers secure enough to host wordpress websites.
Yeah that’s the only downside I’d be worried about. But, it’s still the market shareholder so you just got to stick with it
It still powers half of the internet
It's the same as driving a car. Not safe by any means. You just need to know what you're doing and what to look out for.
WordPress is as secure as you make it. Hosting is a part of it, but if you know what you're doing, you can set up WP securely.
No website is secure if you don't set it up right, a wordpress site can be made as secure as any other site, and any other site can be completely insecure if not done properly
I've been a WordPress designer/developer for 12 years, surprised you (Stef) didn't say much about why many WordPress developers & others refuse WordPress, which usually comes down to WP sites being 'bloated' with too much code & heft. Do you have much to say about this or do you think this is an insignificant concern? Or maybe this topic would've been one of too many tangents you'd like to discuss but would've just made the video much longer than you'd want?
Do you think it is bloated or not clean enough?
My biggest issue with Wordpress is the maintenance..plug-ins need constant updating..which isn’t too bad when you have one or two sites, it’s an absolute nightmare when you’re trying to maintain 50+ sites, you could literally spend a week doing nothing else but updating plugins..not to mention there’s always that one plugin that brings down the entire site because it’s clashing with another one so u end up wasting even more time trying to hunt down the problematic one to get the site(s) up and running again…not to mention trying to keep on top of spam, attempted hacks and brute force login attempts
Do a video about the new software engineer ai, what do you think? The ai is called Devin, from the company Cognition
Hype, anyone worried about it needs to focus on learning and adapting. We are called life long learners for a reason. Our job is to continue learning & adapting to the state of the industry. Don’t worry about the technology when it becomes mainstream we will adapt to the change then, for now continue business as usual. Devin is cool but isn’t very much different than ChatGPT and won’t be taking jobs any time soon
NVIDIA's CEO made it clear. No programers in 5 years. Nothing more to discuss about it
@@gatoloco1873 we’ll see 😁
I would love to hear about it too :D, btw are you that Angular genius?
@@kristijanpirkovic9594 Hell yeah I am boiiii 😂😂😂
And remember: "tech X is out, so PHP is dead!!"
It's not by accident why most of the websites in the world are built on WordPress just like it's not an accident why Michael Jordan is one of the best basketball players. Give that a thought 😊
Isn't WordPress more taxing on a server than just building a CMS to use Web APIs with React or Angular? I think of WordPress as being early 2000's tech back when serving up interactive server-based web pages was the thing then.
I just hope that wordpress guys will stop calling themselves “developers” lol
true lol. I prefer they start calling them selfs "engineers" cause nowdays everyone is either a "developer" or an "engineer".
I need to retake a look at WordPress after watching you video. Thanks, Stefan.
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If it works, don’t touch it
All I can say is Bricks!
here's the problem: people aren't paying for Wordpress work. they are either learning it themselves or going to upwork or fiver and paying next to nothing for it. Granted there are "some" clients that need it but by and far it isn't what most new young entrepreneurs pay for. they learned that shit in H.S.
designing a good WP site is a skill! many built an agency with only wordpress business
@@user-mt8gf3ov5i agreed but jamstack is the future. Monoliths like Wordpress are something most people can set up easily after watching a couple of tutorials. If a client wants an enterprise website and is willing to pay top dollar, please don’t give them Wordpress in 2024. I know very well that “agencies” still profit off of selling candy to babies.
Most of the small independent website builders doing websites for small to medium businesses all use WordPress. There's a whole world out there outside of multinational corporations that need ordinary websites for their business.
Wordpress is unsecure and prone to hacks, I like laravel
Personally I think wordpress was a good innovation back in the day and obviously gained HUGE traction... However... I would never choose it over some other modern stacks nowadays. There is far far too much bloat imo, too many issues with plugins, the development experience is actually a pain, modify templates, making file changes, backing up and create staging/testing environments etc is a pain. Basically I find it not as good as modern hot reloading, CI/CD and cloud hosting tools. People go into wordpress thinking it is good because you can get it up and running quick on a provider and it is all inclusive, but if you have experience with lots of other tools and cloud tech eg. perhaps if you work as a software engineer, I think you would find the wordpress ecosystem is really not good compared to many of these modern tools/stacks.
This is why Bedrock WP and Sage is the best way to do modern WordPress development. Lock it down to avoid plugin bloat, Sage has HMR reloading. Or can always connect it to Svelte or NextJS frontend.
It can be great CMS for some projects, it just can’t be looked at as the ‘do it all’ platform some people think it is.
@@drakenikolai9187Why use these extra tools or remove the ability to use plugins just to get WP to work like modern stacks already do? In this case I would simply use a modern headless CMS, it would be more appropriate than wordpress.
@@neomangeo7822 because there are companies and clients who can’t or won’t switch away from WordPress.
It’s also very nice to have a headless CMS that is open source. Prismic and Contentful are great CMSs as well, but some projects need something a bit more unique.
It entirely depends on what the site/app is for. Most of the small independent website builders doing websites for small to medium businesses all use WordPress and rightly so. There's a whole real world out there outside of multinational tech corporations and specialist corporate web apps that need ordinary websites for their ordinary business. And several multinational corporations I've worked in, all used WordPress when it was easiest for simple but good looking internal intranet sites for staff news, staff magazines etc., project info pages etc. Ain't no one going to waste good time and money on some custom design ground up development for such things. Just because a company usually uses trucks and trains for most of it's freight, does not mean it never ever needs or will ever use a simple car or van for something.
The main issue is Wordpress is very user friendly (well it was before Gutenberg) for content editors (non-techies)..is it a good developer experience? I would say hell no..BUT the reality is if a customer is looking for a website they don’t care what it’s built with so if it’s a choice of going with the developer using the latest stack and technologies (but will realistically take months to complete) OR the Wordpress “dev” who can have the whole thing done in a matter of days or weeks (for half the price) they’re gonna go the Wordpress route
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Rather use WP than BLOATED -frankenstein symphony wannabe django- laravel
Wordpress Devs with 3-5 years of experience
That's what companies want
@@NadidLinchesteineh, I’m only learning it to freelance so I’m not worried about it also you know that’s a wish list
Have you seen AI website builders like Dora? None of these web dev jobs will be around in 5 years
perhaps ai will replace some programmers / developers ect in the field but there will always be th need for solid developers (coding is just part of it). AI may replace most "Wordpress Developers" but it wont replace actual solid developers or wordpress devs that know what they're doing.
@@user-ug7dv4ih1e It will FOR SURE replace all coders. I was less worried about the creative part of it being replaced, but since I’ve seen Dora, I changed my mind. There might be a few jobs left where you can sort out what the AI generates, but that’s about it