So... it's a novelty high tech shoe with the weight of a hiking boot, the stack height of a maximalist shoe with the protection of a racing flat with barely any propulsion/bounce; all for the price of a carbon plated racer? Just great!
Pretty damn comfortable for just casual use. I feel the cushion in the new lattice design and have 2 pairs because they are super comfortable. Will definitely get another colorway when they drop. Now for actual running I couldn't say. I use Saucony Freedom 3's for work which has PWR Run + Foam and these 4d Fwd's have just as much cushion and even more so in the forefoot.
I held a pair of these in the store and they were noticeably heavy. Also, I'd be worried about the midsole picking up sand/rocks and other debris and having it get trapped inside.
@@coldwetbeans.7529 dont forget to mention they are ugly too. Honestly if you see this 4d mid sole on a pair from a chinese website, would u buy it for $50???
I have them in the Tokyo colorway. For me, they are still much too heavy to go running with it. The midsole is very well cushioned and much softer than previous iterations of 4D midsoles (but still very hard; almost every foam is much softer), but neither bouncy nor do I feel any significant propulsion. I do like to use them casually or in physical therapy though because they are very stable. For running I find them totally unsuitable and I don't understand how Adidas markets the shoe as a running shoe; the 4DFWD is a step in the right direction, but they are not there yet. The knit is really comfortable but the shoe is a bit long, I would also buy 1/2 size smaller as you recommended. Great video, really enjoy the way you review shoes 👍
Use these at the gym….I love how stable they are on the treadmill and while weightlifting. I’m constantly receiving compliments on how great they look!
The whole idea of the midsole seems similar to what On does with their Cloudtec. Does it have a similar feel to that? Also, do you think someone with a heel-strike would have more overall benefit from the shoe than your mid-foot strike? In the B-roll, the whole back half never seems to compress due to your strike. Still, I love to see shoe companies throwing things at the wall to see what sticks technology-wise and experimenting with stuff like this.
I believe Adidas has said that this shoe benefits heel strikers more than forefoot strikers. And even though the feeling is a bit different, I think there are a lot of parallels with On CloudTec. Neither is as cushioned as it looks or should be.
I use my adidas fusio during work outs and they do feel more like a work out shoe. When it comes to running the forwards look and probably feel better for running. Great review I'll probably buy it sometime down the line
I have the previous iteration of this shoe and it is just so freakin heavy. I tried running in it a few times and it just leaves your legs feeling dead afterward. So now I just wear it casually, which it seems most people do.
I don't get this midsole design... If it "compresses" forward, then the "release" force would surely be backward and hence counterproductive to forward running momentum?
I’ve thought about this exact thing. I’m brought to think about ones running gait or motion even the flicks of kofuzi running in this video. When I think of the full running motion … landing > the foot being planted before exploding off backward > the 4d being flexible enough to compress forward but then in the motion of the kick backward that compression shift to release aiding the foot kick. When i think of it this way it makes sense to me.
This is my favorite shoe by far. I didn't try using it for my runs but I use this for casual wear. I definitely love the shoe and I have this black and green colorway and the white colorway as well. I also went a half size down on this shoe. Thank you sir Kofuzi for your review on the shoe. I'm from the Philippines though.
What size do you recommend I get? I’m true to size in Jordan 1’s. in basketball shoes and most running shoes I have to go half a size up to an 8.5 if there snug. My foot is on the wider side and most runners have a narrow foot compared to me. So usually the size recommendations of runners I have to go a half size up to get a similar fit.
I’m 225lbs and the sqoosh is way better then boost, i have 4d and they’re not very good, but I’m blown away by 4dfwd, it is the most comfortable shoe I have, and I have over 200pairs. Wide footers go true to size, regular or narrow, go down half a size IMO!
I'm currently in the market for a pair of running shoe. I am still wearing the black and orange ones that I bought sometime last July, and about 2 months ago holes began to form on this shoe. Near the laces were the crease would be on each shoe, so four holes there. at the top of each big toe, and on the sides where my pinky toes are. soon my right pinky toe will be able to peep out lol. I don't run much, but I did use them as everyday shoes for casual walking, and jogging. Im disappointed that in less than a year, $300 CAD shoes had begun to show damage and fall apart. They are still the most comfortable running shoe I've owned, so I'm still on the fence about buying another pair.
I believe that, years ago, HesKicks did an experiment where he filled a plastic tub with mud and then repeatedly dipped his 4D in it. I can’t remember what the result was.
I bought the Adidas ZX4000 4D and they are super stiff and heavy but feel oddly good on feet. Do NOT expect BOOST feel because it’s nothing like the BOOST. We need to quit comparing the two because there light years apart in comfort.
It's interesting how subjective shoes are. I'm 5'8, 130 pounds, owns almost all the UBs a couple of 4D and many other sneakers. To me the 4DFWDs are the most comparable to the UBs. I feel the bounce even when walking and the support is very good as well
Awesome review. Thanks for the performance aspect of it cuz I know the gimmick of these was being able to make you feel like you’re going forward with every step. I could tell from the footage that it wasn’t the case, unfortunately. However, still a great looking shoe. I feel as if adidas get closer and closer to making the best 3D printer running shoe and can’t wait to see what the will end up being. Thanks again for the review 🙏🏽
I think the biggest takeaway that I have (which I of course failed to specifically mention in the video 🤦🏻♂️) is that Adidas was able to improve the upper and midsole while also bringing the price down by $100
I always wonder why running shoes should be light? Shouldn’t you always train with a heavier shoes to you can burn more calories and gain more leg strength? I got the OG 4D, it’s heavy for sure, but it’s stable for off trail runs too.
It’s great innovation but I feel its strength would be realized in running if the midsole would be based on your specific gait and step pressure data you get when you go for a proper fitting at a specialty running store or foot doctor. Then have that submitted to Adidas to get your custom shoe delivered. Then it would be well worth the premium for those really needing stability. Could also be a game changer if it results in increased running economy. Only time would tell.
I enjoy the sole's compression and supposed durability, but feel zero forward momentum. Like mine, but needs a wider toe box to consider loving them...
I just picked up a pair and took them out on a 10k run. Like any other running shoe, not perfect but I'm liking it. People who are too concerned with debris getting into the midsole, if those are your top concerns then you've missed the point of what this shoe is all about.
I think the shoe design kind of begs the question of "what about mud/sand/dirt?" but I think the person that tends to actually write that comment is typically the kind of person that worries about creases across the toe box of their shoes
I'm extremely liked Adidas 4DFWD shoe series already. Way more comfortable than my Superstar, CloudFoam, RunFalcon 3.0 & Forum Low shoes ya. I've the Adidas 4DFWD 2 & recently just bought the 4DFWD 3. The only con I'm worried for the 4DFWD shoes are the Continental soles, IF torn or worn out, can it be REPLACED by Adidas or other shoe shop in my country. 🤔🤷🏻♂️👟👟
I'd say they are squishier than I expected them to be but I haven't tried 4D before these and imagined rigidity and stiffness. The weight didn't bother me that much either, maybe due to the forward motion effect, but I'm only a novice pumping out 5K runs with slightly above average splits so what do I know. I will say don't let pro level reviewers scare you from trying them out just because they aren't perfect, they are fun to wear.
Question: Did the midsole fill up with dust and grit from the loose surfaces you ran on? I would imagine after a few runs they would get a ton of debris in there?
Better running shoes, but casual, this is my new favorite, I don’t want to wear my 350v2, 700’s, 380(which is high on my list of comfort) nike invincible, saucony speed, or any other shoes when I’ll be on my feet for long periods! This is coming from someone who has 60 to 75% of Nike in my 200 plus collection
Talking of throwing tech at the wall and seeing what sticks, they should really do that in the lab, not at the customers, who have to pay to find out it isn't as good as marketing promises.
given how many people tend to be shocked when I run in water, I would suppose that most people would avoid mud, just as they do when running in a traditional foam shoe
@@kofuzi Actually, I think what's going to be frustrating is that dirt/mud is just gonna get trapped in there, EVEN if you try to avoid it.. I dunno, just hypothesising. Tell us what you think in a few months :)
I prefer the half size up. I have a size 11.5 and size 12 and the 11.5 is tighter. I usually stay half size up from my TTS. Definitely gonna stay with the 12 which basically is 12.5 and is perfect.
Sounds a lot like a 3D printed shoe I tested for another popular brand (still under NDA so can't specify). Was super heavy and unresponsive but still kind of comfortable for easy miles. Though it lost a lot of its bounce within 150 miles or so
Nice overview.. But the abbreviation for kilometers is "km" not "k". k only refers to 1000. 1000 grams 1 kg, 1000 m is 1 km. If you use "K" as an abbreviation (uppercase) it refers to temperature in degrees Kelvin. All units of measure are always lowercase, unless named after a person like Kelvin, Watt etc. What is the durability of the outsole compared to Continental?
I want to thank you for another video you made with an altra shoe. You mentioned the term “ Morten,s neuroma “. It is the sickness or injury I,ve been suffering for more than 5 years. Now I studied that and learned a few treatments for that condition. Thanks a million. I find 95% shoes unwalkable. And out of my many running shoes, only about 5 that are runnable. I find it irritating to roll unnaturally . Do you happen to have some recommendations for people with Morten,s neuroma? Thanks again!
For instance Nike invincible run, would be a shoe on crack for me, if I didn’t have Mortens neuroma. I guess this model is definitely not for me coz of the unnatural cushion. I can run 9 km without pain with a react miler 2. But I have pain walking long distance in it due to the rolling. An Adidas Ultraboost 20 is very runnable, sadly new pair in a cooler colorway isn’t. Anyone else here with this condition?
The insoles that come with 4d fwd don’t even fit the actual shoe. They are about 0.5 smaller. I replace them with aftermarket boost insoles that fit a lot better, and they make these shoes more plusher and fit better since I go TTS.
I think HesKicks covered this like four or five years ago. we don't have to imagine it, but I'm guessing most people won't take this road shoe for a muddy run
In real 4D-technology is Not Just 3D-print. After finishing the 3D-moldimg/midsole-element the midsole-element gets covered by dipping it into the material (Fluid before reacting with the 3D-print Material), which Covers the 3D-print at the end. Here the Dimension "time" comes in, so it's realy different to Just a 3D-print. Even unprotected against mud as disadvantage of 4D-trchnology, it is the best way to Explore new solutions for Running shoes. The 4Ds before where the Proof-of-Concept for the BOOST-inlays in Lightstrike-Frames from Takumi Sen to Adizero Pro. While Nike Zoom Air-Pockets Kick against the FWD-/Forward-Motion a 4DFWD Guides the FWD-Motion. At the newest Nike with these Zoom Air-Pockets the Rubber outsole elements are corrected in Terms of trying to reduce the horizontal movement of the Zoom Air-Pocket-Anchor-Platforms of the attached Filaments. At a FWD-Motion the Filaments are put under tension and introduce Rebound against the FWD-Motion. The Overall construction of a ...fly Guides the rebound Forces via the whole kinematics Up to the hip. German Klosterhalften and the Marathon Winner of Tokyo both had Problems with the hips. No surprise for me. The Nike ...flys are fast but unhealthy sportswear.
@@lhprx4 Front-Rocker + Toe-Spring + Rebound against Forward-Motion via Nike Zoom Air-Pockets result in Overstress in the hips. The effect created by Toe-Spring and Front-Rocker is Well known for decades. Your Run faster times but hips get Overstress.
I strictly use my 4D shoes for my gym sessions due to how stable the midsole is (and to be honest, I enjoy people asking me about the shoes/telling me how cool they look).
I've always noticed in all of your videos, that you swing only one arm while running and not the second. Why is that? In some of the shots, I've seen you holding some kind of gadget but am not really sure. @Kofuzi
I have explained it poorly. Consider it an alternate way of attempting providing the benefit of Adidas’ LEP system or even a carbon fiber plate. They aren’t claiming that the benefits would be equivalent to either, but I think that’s the general concept
I’ve retired my ASICS Nimbus and tried Adidas 4D1 run. It’s not so bouncy this my knees doesn’t hurt after I finished 10-12km jog. However, my ankle hurts. (I’ve hurt my knees during my army days and operated on them. Thus I slow jog rather than run). Given up on the 4D shoe. But I would like to say it’s stable. My knees feel fine and good. (But maybe it “forward throw” you as per the tech it says, it cause my ankle to hurt?) Anyone has any good suggestions for a nice pair of comfy shoes for my weak knees and ankle to do 10-15km jog? Thanks man
I have with those 3 different model of Adidas with 3D printed soil: are all very cool sneakers, love the futuristic look, and are tremendous comfortable. But are not running shoes. I don’t understand why Adidas is make the same mistake that Nike made when was selling AirMax as running shoes. The everyday running shoes from Adidas is just the the ultraboost and for anything else carbon plate is the technology.
AirMax started out as running shoes and then became casual. In the 90s, those were the shoes. VaporMax is probably the better comparison. A shoe that is positioned as premium running but doesn't quite resonate with runners
The weight in my size US 11,5 is going to be way too much. Probably like 370-400 grams. Anything above 300 grams in my size is too much for my liking. I also don‘t like the overconstructed heel. Reminds me of the Hoka Tennine. 😂
These Adidas running shoes aren't running shoes: they are too heavy, the real drop is too high, the forefoot is poorly protected, and the knit top is too soft to hold the foot properly. It makes for a comfortable shoe to work in. But so do Sketchers and they cost a fraction of the price.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but considering that this is a road shoe, I think one would have to be trying to get mud stuck in there in order to get mud stuck in there.
Adidas always made shoes with recycle materials.So many plastics used in their shoes,pricey,heavy,weird looking,feeling uncomfortable too.But they did a great job to make the world a better places.
If you’re a newbie, I don’t think I’d pick any of those as your daily trainer. Maybe solarboost, SL20, or last year’s Boston (version 9), if you want to go with Adidas.
A commitment to 'end plastic waste' is double-speak nonsense, consumer capitalism cannot produce an eco-friendly shoe for as long as they peddle the lie that you need new shoes every few hundred miles. I really wish we would stop obsessing about shoes as runners. We have such a beautifully simple sport and these a-holes make us think we need all this wasteful cr@p to take part in it. Nothing but love for Kofuzi tho 🙏
Rich Roll and Adam Skolnick discuss the two ends of this spectrum frequently on the Roll On episodes of the Rich Roll podcast. (for example, whether meat-less meat is good for the environment). my current feeling is that we don't need to pick one approach. our solutions can be multifaceted and with different time scales. but perhaps this is a reflection of my own inertia rather than an assessment of what we need and/or what will work irl.
So... it's a novelty high tech shoe with the weight of a hiking boot, the stack height of a maximalist shoe with the protection of a racing flat with barely any propulsion/bounce; all for the price of a carbon plated racer? Just great!
Well said!!
Pretty damn comfortable for just casual use. I feel the cushion in the new lattice design and have 2 pairs because they are super comfortable. Will definitely get another colorway when they drop. Now for actual running I couldn't say. I use Saucony Freedom 3's for work which has PWR Run + Foam and these 4d Fwd's have just as much cushion and even more so in the forefoot.
Nailed it.
Just classic adidas 🤣🤣
I'm pretty sure you say something exactly along those lines every time a new tech is coming out !! Still running in your 12th century wooden clogs ???
I held a pair of these in the store and they were noticeably heavy. Also, I'd be worried about the midsole picking up sand/rocks and other debris and having it get trapped inside.
Good point!!
They r so ugly. They are for attention seeker runners.
They would be annoying if you’re running anywhere other than dry pavement
@@coldwetbeans.7529 dont forget to mention they are ugly too. Honestly if you see this 4d mid sole on a pair from a chinese website, would u buy it for $50???
Definitely a sharp looking shoe, I’d place it into my lifestyle shoe rotation, not my running shoe rotation.
Wifey surprised me with these today , I guess I can still rock these on my 59th birthday 🎉
Probably won’t run in them just a lifestyle shoe.
Finally someone reviewing these shoes for running, who doesn't heel strike! Thanks for the critical eye here.
thanks for watching
I have them in the Tokyo colorway. For me, they are still much too heavy to go running with it. The midsole is very well cushioned and much softer than previous iterations of 4D midsoles (but still very hard; almost every foam is much softer), but neither bouncy nor do I feel any significant propulsion.
I do like to use them casually or in physical therapy though because they are very stable. For running I find them totally unsuitable and I don't understand how Adidas markets the shoe as a running shoe; the 4DFWD is a step in the right direction, but they are not there yet.
The knit is really comfortable but the shoe is a bit long, I would also buy 1/2 size smaller as you recommended.
Great video, really enjoy the way you review shoes 👍
Prime green - recycled materials (from land)
Prime blue - recycled ocean waste
Ah! So clear. Why can’t Adidas be so succinct
@@kofuzi It took me ages to realize "non virgin polyester" was a fancier term for recycled polyester.
@@weilim10 that sounds like an adult toy youd find on ebay
@@dac518 Tell that to Adidas
Seems like the best thing about this shoe is the thumbnail you made for this video
Use these at the gym….I love how stable they are on the treadmill and while weightlifting. I’m constantly receiving compliments on how great they look!
Dislike... They so are ugly.
@@Bonbon45629 Don’t be Jelly. 😂😂
@@aaronrodgers4287 they don't appreciate cool things ;^;
@@aaronrodgers4287 they're ugly elf shoes. Probably suit you.
@@BuzzingGoober Loser.
Sick water running shots!
Great intro! Interesting shoe. I think I’ll hold off for a while longer on these. 🤔
I think for most people, that’s the right move
The whole idea of the midsole seems similar to what On does with their Cloudtec. Does it have a similar feel to that?
Also, do you think someone with a heel-strike would have more overall benefit from the shoe than your mid-foot strike? In the B-roll, the whole back half never seems to compress due to your strike.
Still, I love to see shoe companies throwing things at the wall to see what sticks technology-wise and experimenting with stuff like this.
I believe Adidas has said that this shoe benefits heel strikers more than forefoot strikers.
And even though the feeling is a bit different, I think there are a lot of parallels with On CloudTec. Neither is as cushioned as it looks or should be.
I was thinking the same thing
I work at adidas Primegreen uses 100% recycled material while primeblue uses 50%.
I use my adidas fusio during work outs and they do feel more like a work out shoe. When it comes to running the forwards look and probably feel better for running. Great review I'll probably buy it sometime down the line
Still rocking my 4d star wars collab, kudos to Adidas for trying to advance the running tech for runners 🏃♂️ 🏃♀️
An example of a very cool technology looking for an actual use-case. A cool looking gimmick.
I have the previous iteration of this shoe and it is just so freakin heavy. I tried running in it a few times and it just leaves your legs feeling dead afterward. So now I just wear it casually, which it seems most people do.
I don't get this midsole design... If it "compresses" forward, then the "release" force would surely be backward and hence counterproductive to forward running momentum?
I’ve thought about this exact thing. I’m brought to think about ones running gait or motion even the flicks of kofuzi running in this video. When I think of the full running motion … landing > the foot being planted before exploding off backward > the 4d being flexible enough to compress forward but then in the motion of the kick backward that compression shift to release aiding the foot kick. When i think of it this way it makes sense to me.
think of it akin to a carbon fiber plate or Adidas' LEP system
The exact same physics used in the Carbitex soleplate Adidas uses on their Speedflow boots. Dubbed the best speed boot soleplate from the big 3.
You run on your toes you don't even touch your heel at all. Wishing you much love peace and happiness
This is my favorite shoe by far. I didn't try using it for my runs but I use this for casual wear. I definitely love the shoe and I have this black and green colorway and the white colorway as well. I also went a half size down on this shoe. Thank you sir Kofuzi for your review on the shoe. I'm from the Philippines though.
What size do you recommend I get?
I’m true to size in Jordan 1’s.
in basketball shoes and most running shoes I have to go half a size up to an 8.5 if there snug.
My foot is on the wider side and most runners have a narrow foot compared to me.
So usually the size recommendations of runners I have to go a half size up to get a similar fit.
I’m 225lbs and the sqoosh is way better then boost, i have 4d and they’re not very good, but I’m blown away by 4dfwd, it is the most comfortable shoe I have, and I have over 200pairs. Wide footers go true to size, regular or narrow, go down half a size IMO!
I'm currently in the market for a pair of running shoe. I am still wearing the black and orange ones that I bought sometime last July, and about 2 months ago holes began to form on this shoe. Near the laces were the crease would be on each shoe, so four holes there. at the top of each big toe, and on the sides where my pinky toes are. soon my right pinky toe will be able to peep out lol. I don't run much, but I did use them as everyday shoes for casual walking, and jogging. Im disappointed that in less than a year, $300 CAD shoes had begun to show damage and fall apart. They are still the most comfortable running shoe I've owned, so I'm still on the fence about buying another pair.
Great critique I can always make sure decision based on that.
this shoe looks amazing. im glad you got to review it, I kinda want it.
I wonder what happens if you get a rock or stick in the midsole
I believe that, years ago, HesKicks did an experiment where he filled a plastic tub with mud and then repeatedly dipped his 4D in it. I can’t remember what the result was.
I bought the Adidas ZX4000 4D and they are super stiff and heavy but feel oddly good on feet. Do NOT expect BOOST feel because it’s nothing like the BOOST. We need to quit comparing the two because there light years apart in comfort.
So ultraboost is better then?
Can you review the new Brooks Ghost 14 please? Awesome vids by the way, keep up the great work
I'm afraid I don't currently have any plans to review that shoe
Thank you for doing this - for science!
It's interesting how subjective shoes are. I'm 5'8, 130 pounds, owns almost all the UBs a couple of 4D and many other sneakers. To me the 4DFWDs are the most comparable to the UBs. I feel the bounce even when walking and the support is very good as well
Awesome review. Thanks for the performance aspect of it cuz I know the gimmick of these was being able to make you feel like you’re going forward with every step. I could tell from the footage that it wasn’t the case, unfortunately. However, still a great looking shoe. I feel as if adidas get closer and closer to making the best 3D printer running shoe and can’t wait to see what the will end up being. Thanks again for the review 🙏🏽
I think the biggest takeaway that I have (which I of course failed to specifically mention in the video 🤦🏻♂️) is that Adidas was able to improve the upper and midsole while also bringing the price down by $100
I wear a size 9.5 ! 😏
All I see in the midsole is my Grannie’s crocheted blankies she made for my kids.
the midsole may in fact be a Rorschach test
Without those neon colours the shoe would be perfect. I love the printed sole
Yo!! Very interesting and flashy shoe. But the weight and lack of overall underfoot cushioning makes it a no go for me. Good review!👍
I think that will be the response from a lot of people
I always wonder why running shoes should be light? Shouldn’t you always train with a heavier shoes to you can burn more calories and gain more leg strength? I got the OG 4D, it’s heavy for sure, but it’s stable for off trail runs too.
It’s great innovation but I feel its strength would be realized in running if the midsole would be based on your specific gait and step pressure data you get when you go for a proper fitting at a specialty running store or foot doctor. Then have that submitted to Adidas to get your custom shoe delivered. Then it would be well worth the premium for those really needing stability. Could also be a game changer if it results in increased running economy. Only time would tell.
Only smart man/woman here
I enjoy the sole's compression and supposed durability, but feel zero forward momentum. Like mine, but needs a wider toe box to consider loving them...
I just picked up a pair and took them out on a 10k run. Like any other running shoe, not perfect but I'm liking it. People who are too concerned with debris getting into the midsole, if those are your top concerns then you've missed the point of what this shoe is all about.
I think the shoe design kind of begs the question of "what about mud/sand/dirt?"
but I think the person that tends to actually write that comment is typically the kind of person that worries about creases across the toe box of their shoes
@@kofuzi LOL well stated!!!
I'm extremely liked Adidas 4DFWD shoe series already. Way more comfortable than my Superstar, CloudFoam, RunFalcon 3.0 & Forum Low shoes ya. I've the Adidas 4DFWD 2 & recently just bought the 4DFWD 3. The only con I'm worried for the 4DFWD shoes are the Continental soles, IF torn or worn out, can it be REPLACED by Adidas or other shoe shop in my country. 🤔🤷🏻♂️👟👟
I suppose it would depend on the skill of your cobbler
Thanks for awesome video
I m from Chicago too!
I'd say they are squishier than I expected them to be but I haven't tried 4D before these and imagined rigidity and stiffness. The weight didn't bother me that much either, maybe due to the forward motion effect, but I'm only a novice pumping out 5K runs with slightly above average splits so what do I know. I will say don't let pro level reviewers scare you from trying them out just because they aren't perfect, they are fun to wear.
Enjoy your candor, thanks.
You are light tho, something to keep in mind
This technology will be perfect when they put weight distribution foot sensors and 3D printers in their stores.
Question: Did the midsole fill up with dust and grit from the loose surfaces you ran on? I would imagine after a few runs they would get a ton of debris in there?
nope
I got a pair of the Futurecraft 4D, just like this 4D FWD but all black. I only wear it at work.. better than running..
Better running shoes, but casual, this is my new favorite, I don’t want to wear my 350v2, 700’s, 380(which is high on my list of comfort) nike invincible, saucony speed, or any other shoes when I’ll be on my feet for long periods! This is coming from someone who has 60 to 75% of Nike in my 200 plus collection
Adios 6 anytime soon? If not it's all good :)
Talking of throwing tech at the wall and seeing what sticks, they should really do that in the lab, not at the customers, who have to pay to find out it isn't as good as marketing promises.
But why pay people to test it when you can get people to pay you money to test it am i right?
I think there's room in the marketplace for experimentation like this. I appreciate when companies challenge convention
Imagine getting mud in(side) the midsole.
Happy days :)
given how many people tend to be shocked when I run in water, I would suppose that most people would avoid mud, just as they do when running in a traditional foam shoe
@@kofuzi Actually, I think what's going to be frustrating is that dirt/mud is just gonna get trapped in there, EVEN if you try to avoid it.. I dunno, just hypothesising. Tell us what you think in a few months :)
Looks like work in progress
a metaphor for the human condition
I prefer the half size up. I have a size 11.5 and size 12 and the 11.5 is tighter. I usually stay half size up from my TTS. Definitely gonna stay with the 12 which basically is 12.5 and is perfect.
I bought a full size up because the toe box is very narrow.
Those pocket on the sole i question how practical is it with dust and things getting in over time.
I think people are getting a bit too hung up on the lattices
Sounds a lot like a 3D printed shoe I tested for another popular brand (still under NDA so can't specify). Was super heavy and unresponsive but still kind of comfortable for easy miles. Though it lost a lot of its bounce within 150 miles or so
Is it still under NDA?
the tech would make cool slides. hella soft tho. maybe have custom sole to aid in foot injury that require more or less firmness.
Nice overview.. But the abbreviation for kilometers is "km" not "k". k only refers to 1000. 1000 grams 1 kg, 1000 m is 1 km. If you use "K" as an abbreviation (uppercase) it refers to temperature in degrees Kelvin. All units of measure are always lowercase, unless named after a person like Kelvin, Watt etc. What is the durability of the outsole compared to Continental?
I am 100% positive that no one is thinking that I may be perhaps referring to temperatures in kelvin
@@kofuzi yes I am sure no one is thinking you are referring to temperature. But isn’t it better to use the proper abbreviations for distance?
I want to thank you for another video you made with an altra shoe. You mentioned the term “ Morten,s neuroma “. It is the sickness or injury I,ve been suffering for more than 5 years. Now I studied that and learned a few treatments for that condition. Thanks a million. I find 95% shoes unwalkable. And out of my many running shoes, only about 5 that are runnable. I find it irritating to roll unnaturally . Do you happen to have some recommendations for people with Morten,s neuroma? Thanks again!
For instance Nike invincible run, would be a shoe on crack for me, if I didn’t have Mortens neuroma. I guess this model is definitely not for me coz of the unnatural cushion. I can run 9 km without pain with a react miler 2. But I have pain walking long distance in it due to the rolling. An Adidas Ultraboost 20 is very runnable, sadly new pair in a cooler colorway isn’t. Anyone else here with this condition?
The insoles that come with 4d fwd don’t even fit the actual shoe. They are about 0.5 smaller. I replace them with aftermarket boost insoles that fit a lot better, and they make these shoes more plusher and fit better since I go TTS.
I think it depends on your size. Sometimes, brands will use one insole to cover multiple half sizes
Not all new tech is useful immediately, but it may be a step towards a potentially beneficial product down the road
i hope so
Thank you for this great review! The black one looks mega dope! Beautiful design.Adidas pls do an ultraboost with this upper!
Awesome thumbnail!
Thanks!
Just think about that the dirt/dried mud trapped inside. Also they are way heavy compared to a boost.
I think HesKicks covered this like four or five years ago. we don't have to imagine it, but I'm guessing most people won't take this road shoe for a muddy run
i think because of the lack of midsole in the fore foot (when most runners are fore foot strikers) makes it feel stiff
Perhaps
Not a shoe I'd be interested in, but I'm curious: Any issues with tiny rocks or pebbles getting lodged in the midsole? Seems like they would.
not for any of the runs or walks I had in the shoe
In real 4D-technology is Not Just 3D-print. After finishing the 3D-moldimg/midsole-element the midsole-element gets covered by dipping it into the material (Fluid before reacting with the 3D-print Material), which Covers the 3D-print at the end. Here the Dimension "time" comes in, so it's realy different to Just a 3D-print.
Even unprotected against mud as disadvantage of 4D-trchnology, it is the best way to Explore new solutions for Running shoes.
The 4Ds before where the Proof-of-Concept for the BOOST-inlays in Lightstrike-Frames from Takumi Sen to Adizero Pro.
While Nike Zoom Air-Pockets Kick against the FWD-/Forward-Motion a 4DFWD Guides the FWD-Motion.
At the newest Nike with these Zoom Air-Pockets the Rubber outsole elements are corrected in Terms of trying to reduce the horizontal movement of the Zoom Air-Pocket-Anchor-Platforms of the attached Filaments. At a FWD-Motion the Filaments are put under tension and introduce Rebound against the FWD-Motion. The Overall construction of a ...fly Guides the rebound Forces via the whole kinematics Up to the hip. German Klosterhalften and the Marathon Winner of Tokyo both had Problems with the hips. No surprise for me. The Nike ...flys are fast but unhealthy sportswear.
Kipchoge injured his hip due to vaporfly failed engineering? Really? 😂
@@lhprx4 Front-Rocker + Toe-Spring + Rebound against Forward-Motion via Nike Zoom Air-Pockets result in Overstress in the hips. The effect created by Toe-Spring and Front-Rocker is Well known for decades. Your Run faster times but hips get Overstress.
Is it faster than a Crocs?
Prolly no
Suggest a shoe for patellar tendonitis.. It's really confusing for me to choose a proper shoe..
I strictly use my 4D shoes for my gym sessions due to how stable the midsole is (and to be honest, I enjoy people asking me about the shoes/telling me how cool they look).
It draws a lot of attention, doesn’t it?
I've always noticed in all of your videos, that you swing only one arm while running and not the second. Why is that?
In some of the shots, I've seen you holding some kind of gadget but am not really sure. @Kofuzi
Kind of answered your own question there, mate.
Interesting concept but I’m going to stick with my SL20’s 👍
a very good shoe
good review, thanks
i found these in my garage, the name was abit different, it was wd40 instead
Why would horizontal push matter when your foot is planted on the ground, rather it would create instability. Seems like a gimmick to me.
I have explained it poorly. Consider it an alternate way of attempting providing the benefit of Adidas’ LEP system or even a carbon fiber plate. They aren’t claiming that the benefits would be equivalent to either, but I think that’s the general concept
You should try the 4d fwd pulse it might not be so heavy than the normal version
Hey! where they give such a miracle, where can I get it, I want to buy the same!
Adidas.com or Adidas app
How did they feel during and after running in through the water? Did they feel heavier?
Great.
Not really.
I’ve retired my ASICS Nimbus and tried Adidas 4D1 run. It’s not so bouncy this my knees doesn’t hurt after I finished 10-12km jog. However, my ankle hurts. (I’ve hurt my knees during my army days and operated on them. Thus I slow jog rather than run). Given up on the 4D shoe. But I would like to say it’s stable. My knees feel fine and good. (But maybe it “forward throw” you as per the tech it says, it cause my ankle to hurt?)
Anyone has any good suggestions for a nice pair of comfy shoes for my weak knees and ankle to do 10-15km jog? Thanks man
This shoe makes me want Cup Noodle
I have with those 3 different model of Adidas with 3D printed soil: are all very cool sneakers, love the futuristic look, and are tremendous comfortable. But are not running shoes. I don’t understand why Adidas is make the same mistake that Nike made when was selling AirMax as running shoes. The everyday running shoes from Adidas is just the the ultraboost and for anything else carbon plate is the technology.
AirMax started out as running shoes and then became casual. In the 90s, those were the shoes.
VaporMax is probably the better comparison. A shoe that is positioned as premium running but doesn't quite resonate with runners
The weight in my size US 11,5 is going to be way too much. Probably like 370-400 grams.
Anything above 300 grams in my size is too much for my liking.
I also don‘t like the overconstructed heel. Reminds me of the Hoka Tennine. 😂
I usually wear uk9 in my Stan smith’s, does this sneaker is tts? Or .5 size down would be better option . Please let me know…
I think it would depend if you're going to run in it. if so, don't size down.
@@kofuzi Thanks for the suggestions
will there be a after 100miles video for this model?
unfortunately, no
These Adidas running shoes aren't running shoes: they are too heavy, the real drop is too high, the forefoot is poorly protected, and the knit top is too soft to hold the foot properly. It makes for a comfortable shoe to work in. But so do Sketchers and they cost a fraction of the price.
So how did you like the upper?
:)
pas mal
First sock shoes and now shoes with holes in them XFD
Do you think it would trap mud and dirt in the spaces?
I'm not saying it's impossible, but considering that this is a road shoe, I think one would have to be trying to get mud stuck in there in order to get mud stuck in there.
The look cool until you step in poop. How would you get that out of the sole - cotton bud?
I think people worry a bit too much about stuff getting stuck in it.
Adidas always made shoes with recycle materials.So many plastics used in their shoes,pricey,heavy,weird looking,feeling uncomfortable too.But they did a great job to make the world a better places.
I'm not sure the recycled nature of the materials makes them heavy. it's not a trade-off. they can be made of recycled materials and be lighter
Hai.. im newbie in running world.. so better purchase adidas 4dfwd, adizero boston or adizero primeX?
If you’re a newbie, I don’t think I’d pick any of those as your daily trainer. Maybe solarboost, SL20, or last year’s Boston (version 9), if you want to go with Adidas.
You running through the water in your shoes really winds me up
Is adidas using flywire? 🤔 4:33
A commitment to 'end plastic waste' is double-speak nonsense, consumer capitalism cannot produce an eco-friendly shoe for as long as they peddle the lie that you need new shoes every few hundred miles.
I really wish we would stop obsessing about shoes as runners. We have such a beautifully simple sport and these a-holes make us think we need all this wasteful cr@p to take part in it.
Nothing but love for Kofuzi tho 🙏
Rich Roll and Adam Skolnick discuss the two ends of this spectrum frequently on the Roll On episodes of the Rich Roll podcast. (for example, whether meat-less meat is good for the environment).
my current feeling is that we don't need to pick one approach. our solutions can be multifaceted and with different time scales. but perhaps this is a reflection of my own inertia rather than an assessment of what we need and/or what will work irl.
This vs Pegasus 38?
I like the fact Adidas is trying new tech but I dont think this will be embraced by the running community.
So is it a buy, a try, or a why? Oops, wrong channel..
It’s a why, with a maybe try
What about over pronators?
Are these better or the Ultraboost 21 ?
for running, I'd give the UB21 a slight edge, but I didn't exactly love the UB21
Looks like Adidas glues some instant ramen noodles to the bottom the the shoes.
Is it good for lifting weight or will it damage them??
I would think it would be poor for weight lifting
and I also think it may damage them.
@@kofuzi seem like it's more of a hassle but I guess thats why they just advertise it as a running shoe
I'll stick to my zoomx