My first impressions on the Hanzo "nerf" (Overwatch Season 9)
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2024
- 8000+ hours of Hanzo experience, giving my first impressions on the hanzo nerfs so people dont keep asking it over and over again during stream haha.
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I was gonna just wait until Ive tried the changes out more... but then I realized stream chat would be literally only people asking for my thoughts on the changes. 💀
gonna be playing for 2-4 hours today and then whole day tomorrow twitch.tv/arrge (or ruclips.net/user/arrgelive )
Ty for entertaining our ADHD
As a Hanzo main it has improved my thoughts on this thanks ❤
Once I saw the patch went live today, I searched specifically for this video. Thank you for delivering, Arrge :) Love you, buddy.
his one shot potential was everything. With this "nerf" his play style would be different. Pretty much be a spamzo this season no more assasin hanzo...
Ikr i said this and people were happy they werent gonna get one shot anymore? Spamzo will be meta again
guess you could say he has abandoned the assasins art
Assassin hanzo was never good or consistent in high ranks. Its a niche playstyle for specific situation. There is a reason he has so many legal smurfing vids.
Just get a mercy femboy to pocket boost you to get your oneshot back
Not everyone cares about high ranks. Some of us just liked to play the game for fun on one of the highest skill ceiling characters. This has ruined the game for me.@@doctoroppa7991
I think this is going to kill the enjoyment of hanzo for me
Yes no one shot = basically will be hard to gain momentum at all
Good
@@hervisdaubeny2784 holy shit, get a life just because you dont know positioning. Blizzard is making this game easier for braindead people like you bro
@@hervisdaubeny2784 We go Widow now and be more annoying. So don't feel that happiness to early.
@@Cushinguranaw widows even more dog this honzo by far now
the headshot shots what was satsfiying and how hard it was to hit shots this the most blanace patch that pained me i dont want him easier i want him fun
Textbook example on why better doesn’t mean more fun
Not to mention Hanzo is definitely not better when they remove the one shot capability.
At this point hanzo doesn't shoot arrows he shoots logs
Trees
Shooting tree logs at the enemies
Yall niggas be saying this shit since vanilla OW get a new fucking joke
Wow, I've never heard that one before. 😒
always has
I cannot stand being pocketed while I’m playing Hanzo. I’ve dumped all these hours into playing Sneakyboy Hanzo, and now it feels like it was for nothing.
Yup. I had the same experience with BOTH of my OW1 mains: Doomfist and Ball.
Both of which have had dramatic playstyle changes that felt like it threw away dozens of hours of muscle memory.
I uninstalled not long after the start of season 8. Was really hoping something would change for the better. Now I see its only gotten worse, yet again. They removed the whole playstyle I was here for. Im done with Blizzard games.
I commend ppl still playing this game. How do you do it?
video game patches are borderline illegal these days
@@Iwantbrains247I really just play for shits n giggles now, but after this update is finished I’m gonna give it a try, it’s gonna suck to have to uninstall but every dog has their day 🫡
"So, how big is your house?"
"Hanzo arrow"
RIP hanzo one shots, all these hours😥😥😥
They continue to ruin the game
@@stonerock1316 😂😂😂 You are the only one crying Everybody is happy
@@Ferchovicente 🤣🤣 oh yeah I think my 4 likes and the 46 on the other comment says otherwise
@@Ferchovicente the amount of people in these comments saying this is a terrible change kinda prove you way wrong...
@Ferchovicente how? Playing tracer into him is unplayable. Not to mention the hit box. I went into the practice range and headshot the tracer 2 inches away from crossahair. Even aiming at chest it was a headshot. The skill expression is non existent in this game. It feels terrible its like a glitch or something you go to shoot one person and hit the person standing next to them. It's like a busted mobile game.
I take the small hitbox headshot oneshot over the log hitbox headshot storm arrow anytime
Hanzorat meta lol
Same
For real, this game is dead. Thankfully, The Finals has a similar BS experience but it's actually fun.
100%. That's Hanzo's whole identity. Hanzo headshots used to be the most satisfying thing in the game. Now not so much anymore. Maybe a good compromise would be to revert his oneshot hitbox size and but raise the damage to one-shot level but keep the storm arrows as logs but revert storm arrow damage back to previous state too. Hanzo would feel more satisfying when hitting skill shots and not requiring Mercy boosting all the time. While storm arrows wouldn't feel so bad.
@@defeatSpacefinals is a million times easier and less complex than OW lmao such an easy game
I'll have to check it out for myself when the season 9 hits but in a vacuum I fucking hate these changes. They destroy the identity of Hanzo to me. The arrow hitbox being so comically big will demolish any sense of accomplishment from hitting those shots and as you said it will cement his stereotype of no-skill character as actual reality.
These overblown projectile size changes remove any sense of accomplishment from every single hero even remotely reliant on aim. The size increase numbers are insanely bloated and really showcase the developers' incompetence when this is what they've come up with. Zarya's beam for example wasn't even the most tricky to track with but they felt the need to increase the size of it by 33% anyways. So now perfectly tracking someone isn't an impressive feat, it's just the bare minimum.
And 0.08m size for ""precise"" hitscan is hilariously broken, that's only 20% less than hanzo arrows used to be. Sure you might feel like a god for a while after the patch when hitting one flick headshot after another but over time you're going to realize that the game is massively assisting in making those shots for you now. Skill expression in this game has effectively been watered down to positioning and timing only, and that sounds very boring to me in an FPS game.
@@KurppalumppuImagine what playing on a real low fov is gonna feel like 😂😂😂😂😂 I’m deleting this game before it gets any worse lmfaooooo
Looks like the OW2 balance team looked at the Huntsman's broken collision box from Team Fortress 2 and thought: "Yeah, let's make Hanzo's just like that, except instead of the collision box, let's increase the hitbox size of the arrows". The Huntsman Sniper is now officially in Overwatch 2
You mean the Lucksman?
jarate next?
The balance team just reacts to the spam flamers. The new ow2 kiddis cried so much about the one shot from hanzo and widow that blizzard destroyd them now completly. Even YT creators created whole videos of hanzo one shot its incredible how bad they have to be in the game
@@jasonj.5394 moira
@@kffk9805It's just that they don't play other shooters, because otherwise I can't imagine they would say that about TF2, CS, COD and others xd
Arrge is the only opinion on Hanzo i wanted to hear
They even buffed storm arrow just to make spamzo better than real hanzo
This is like the worst change I've ever seen for no reason
I hate it. I prefer having to aim for the head for headshot. Now idk you NEED a pocket to have the satisfaction again
Sad only widow has "the right" to oneshot. Not fair
agreed! it takes skill to hit those!
i was so mad after the no headshot nerf.They basically ruined the fun of hanzo
Blizzard:
Balance Tanks ❌ Nerf DPS ✅
Nerf healing ❌️
Increase everyone's health and projectile size for no reason ✅️
Increase every hero’s health for balance ❌
Make dps hero more useless,especially hitscan and assassin ⭕️
@@twizms7362 I mean, they did nerf healing to the point that tank feels like garbage.
Add another tank to help out ❌️
Turn everyone into a tank, mess up breakpoints, increase hitbox sizes, double down on global passives. ✅️
they didnt nerf dps tbf. its health increase what can make hanzo a widow feel nerfed. but soldier f.e. is buffed. Dps passive is really good, bullets are huge, dps are more survivable so yea... Tbh after few matches in quick play Im not sure I like this update, soldier and bastion are so boring to play against, I think I prefer to play against widow and hanzo (im support main)
You should boycott these changes, let them reduce the arrow's hitbox back, but bring back the headshot
For sure
lol this is his job no streams, no food LOL
hahaaaahahahahahahaa
Keep us updated in your thoughts about the game in general in the future i like your commentary
This is a double-edged sword. On one hand, I’m happy that I won’t be one-shot all the time. On the other hand, Arrge suffers. :(
This only makes Spamzo stronger too
Widows easy as hell to hit heads with now, So you're still gonna get head shot
Long time viewer, great video thank you! pumped for season 9!
They could make it so that if you charge your arrow for an addition few seconds after fully drawn it can get a damage boost
Great impression breakdown. You deliver an efficient, effective eight minutes of insight. Looking forward to how this plays out. R.I.P. Hanzo's soul, though : (
Arrge you’re an insane Hanson. Keep up the good work
it really sucks. putting so much hours into a hero just for blizzard to make your enjoyment of him close to gone and forced to spamzo or abuse a mercy pocket. its not really fun or interesting to play, aswell as bigger arrow hitbox making skill expression lower.
similer with junkrat tbh, without his one shot, he also goes back to spamming chokes which no one enjoys (ironically enough, people are gonna enjoy playing against these heros LESS and gonna enjoy playing them less. so why blizzard?). hopefully theyll bring their burst damage back.
You think that a higher time to fully "load" the bow to do extra damage would be better? You would still one shot but would take more time between shots so you would either go for the default damage (spam hanzo) or try to risk a "charged" one
yesnst, i don't like the idea of this pocket hanzo... maybe it'll be so meta, but i'm probably leave gonna leave hanzo...
Im not an expert in this game but i got around 800 hrs. hanzo whole identity is about the skillful 1 tap hs, rn no way he can compete with other dps since he doesnt 1 tap or because of slow fire rate. You may hs someone then swap to storm arrow but against hit scan you probably be dead by now. I think to compete in this meta he needs a small rework to improve his fire rate, maybe make his primary like storm arrow then he has to reload from quiver with damage balance maybe 2 tap someone like mei for examble. Or bring back his hitbox arrow and make him still one shot, coz they said no more 1 shots in game either all heroes doesnt or ones they were able to do it still do it why not just widow. Im ashe main and i hate to play vs hanzo but the truth must be said
actual LOG arrows now, I don't feel like we are getting a hanzo nerf but going back to his storm arrow rework where he was borderline broken because storm arrow let you secure kills consistently and not depend on headshots.
I have spent a lot of time honing my skill as hanzo. Weeks worth of my life have gone towards that... Kinda sucks that hes just overall easier to hit shots with now. :[
I don't get this argument at all. You've spent weeks getting good with a character; these changes have done nothing to invalidate that effort at all. If your argument is based around the lack of a one-shot, then that is fair enough, but having good Hanzo mechanics is still relevant. There is still plenty of nuance to him that a first time Hanzo player won't understand, despite being able to hit shots more consistently.
@@DjNaste Losing the one shot does kinda suck, but I'm actually okay with that. I'm more sad about the fact that I became good with him and it was really fun know that I was good with a character that was insanely difficult to master.
Sure, he still has a difficulty factor, but its not nearly as wild as it was b4 and hitting awesome shots, or clips made that feel all the more satisfying and proud of the time I had put into the character. Now thats just... "something i can reminisce about"? :[
What do you think about the wall climb shot, should they revert it back?
"We'll buff/rework pharah so that she doesn't have to rely on mercy to get value"
"We'll also nerf hanzo so that he needs a mercy to get value"
thank you sensei!
I think they made the projectiles as big as they're willing to go and they will incrementally shrink it until it reaches a point they are happy with
Another dps turned into a tank buster because we needed more of those
Zenyatta is very popular now and discord also have value looks like Mercy boost, it seems to me that when you also have him in your team it’s blissful because he allows you to do one shots
6:12 thanks for giving us the time to think about what you said, Arrge is so generous🥰
Forget logs, he’s shooting the whole dang tree.
As a Kiriko main I used to love taking off angles and sneak attacking the enemy getting a quick 2 head shots in and teleing out. Now it takes 2 headsahots and 1 body which gives the enemy ample time to react. That and support being overall nerefed, I'm not having fun anymore playing support anymore.
This is basically the Lucksman from TF2.
Great video
I like that shot against the kiriko players
Yeah we'll see how it goes, I'm not happy about these changes either, I share the same sentiments
I have not watched yet Arrge, but, following you I have got my accuracy up to 30-40% on average per game, (it was about 10% lower before I found you).
With the new patch tonight I noticed offhand, at least +5-10% accuracy.
I used to feel miserable playing tank. Then i started feeling miserable playing support. Now i also feel miserable playing dps which was the only role i could find some joy.
The hit box is in the back of the arrow, no?
I think these Changes might kill overwatch.
It died before Mauga came out.
@@huffy227 nah, there was still tons of people playing.
@@matthewbaer7871 if it’s soulless, it’s dead. Population doesn’t matter. Look at CoD. Dead even with players
It’s practically dead now they make these stupid changes instead of trying to balance the game
Solve one problem? ✅ Cause 5 more problems trying to solve the one problem? ✅
its like the dev team playing whack a mole
i agree with u for everything
thank you papa arge
Another thing. I went from easily double other DPS kills in my dumb rank (plat) and half their damage but so much more impact.
To now double their damage, half their kill and 0 impact.
Life hack for reading from screen: make text window small and position it very close to camera hole, so that like you are staring into the camera and because the window is small you also don't move your eyes away from camera much.
He wrote it himself most likely, and not everyone has a dictionary for a mind-
How is self healing on sombra?
Holy shit Hanzo actually has a whole missile now
Ow devs: “we want to reduce the frequency of 1 shots for a smoother gameplay experience”
Also ow devs: “let’s make another hit scan support that can 2 tap across the entire map”
It's weird cuz you can take random stray pellets from ranged shotguns and that doesn't feel like real damage.
Your supports are busy with people that are actually taking damage, but those stray pellets can be the setup for hanzo's "one shot".
Before, people said hanzo was luck and now it's more certain that he will land shots, but it's still "luck" that hanzo's hog shot at me from 30m away and did 10 chip damage.
I thought his projectile size was too big to begin with, I want whatever strain the developers are smoking
i want a reload on the quiver to discourage spammng
Drink Challenge: Take a shot every time he says "but yeah"
I CANT WAITTT
I love your channel
please tell me what widow also can't 1 shot anymore then.
Could be interesting to let hanzo charge shots longer to eventually be able to oneshot 250hp heroes again but decrease fire rate. This would encourage slower more calculated shots (maybe return of assassin hanzo?) as well solidify him as more of a sniper again instead of choke spam
Yay i can’t wait to be in spamzo jail! The hitbox changes are wild too when looking at the side to side. They really took the fun out of hanzo in my opinion :/
Sensei i hope devs listen to your suggestions
All my favorite heros are edge cases where small buff is broken and small nerf means they're useless. Hanzo, Mauga.... you know I'd say sojourn and ana but they kinda just let them be broken
One thing I love about Arrge is that you don't rush to produce a clickbaiting video asap. I believe you're taking your time to try more things in season 9 and give us a fully responsible review. Looking forward to it.
literally 3 days ago s9 i was learning assasin hanzo. RIP ASSASSIN HANZO
I can see hanzo's roll shifting to maybe being alongside reaper as being the Tank-Popper? But altogether the fear of another Widow meta with how much easier it is to get value with her may turn me off this season.
i was always wondering if pocketing hanzo as mercy would be worth it but now im sure
I feel if were going to change hanzo from a already pretty good position in the meta then atleast retain his characteristics. High risk high reward. If you miss your shots you get nothing out of his kit besides a sonar. We dont need them to baby proof his kit and definitely didnt need to disqualify his most valuable asset which was well placed head shots
Dang no more one shots ?
Have u seen mercy, an of mech Dva/baby Dva
As a player who have been grandmasters on every role. It sucks playing tank rn. I was getting laser by a pocket soldier shooting chest shots getting headshot damage. On top of you are a better tank your enemy team goes straight counter’s for you and your dps never switch. The 1st thing they say tank dif even though the enemy dps has twice damage as both my dps.
100% agree Arrge
My guy has a whole API mixer in the back there just to record his voice 😂
I’ve been playing Hanzo since 2017 and he doesn’t feel right anymore. Being sneaky has no value :(
So Hanzo now is basically the way that pharamercy situation used to be lol
But who wants to pocket a hanzo that’s so boring
@@Pillowpetlover what if hanzo is off angling lying crazy tho
@@Pillowpetlover like, they play safe now, but maybe they'll adapt to having a pocket and change their gameplay a bit
They really could have bared to leave some projectile sizes unchanged but in return compensate by increasing damage. Because Hanzo could be annoying with his one shot, but at least it required actual precision, now he can hit his arrows 50% easier and just spam you to death which is arguably worse. It would’ve been nice if Illari was another one of those heroes who kept old projectile size but increased damage since I can tell she’s going to suffer some this season. But guess we’ll see how things shake out
I actually don't think Illari is suffering. Initially, I thought the same, but after playing her a bit, she can put out a ton of pressure. Yes her lethality has gone down, but with everyone's HP being buffed + the new passive, the burden of healing has been lifted a lot from her, and she can just put out damage nonstop. As long as you have good pylon management, you can just keep blasting and get plenty of value.
The meme is Canon now
Habra alguna posibilidad de q vuelva el headshot?? 😔😔😔👊👊
This patch has made overwatch easy, period. I used to not be able to aim consistently with soldier or other dps like that, now it feels like each shot is being hand delivered as a hit. Theres no satisfaction and especially with hanzo
I much preferred the 1shot kill and small box. It was so much more satisfying and felt more skilful
assassin hanzo might work with a dps that can dive and get out
I feel like they should shorten his bow charge just a little bit.
So i tried him a while ago, and had like 4-5 hs on a ashe, missed like 10 hp and survived, it sucked
I'm so glad we agree because my opinion is definitely the unpopular one in the large overwatch friend group. And Hanzo doesn't feel like an archer, the whole patch feels like lesser skill promotions. Have you seen symmetra's beam size and the healing reduction passive added to the slow of her turret beams.... ugh.
Yaaaayyyyy I know in my low elo games it’s about to be sombra phara every time I try to play hanzo
The meme is real he liteally is shooting logs.
& why would one want to rely on a Mercy pocket & a cheaper shot that you got cause of the hitbox?
Hey bro, my hanzo getting worse and worse would you play with me and show me some tips
I will confirm that Hanzo and Junkrat gave me the biggest issues last night playing tank. Legit was draining my health in large portions. It was almost unbearable if they had a Mercy pocket.
can we still one shot sombra?
He’s about to become the tf2 huntsmen
i hope you get back to top500 :)
Dang, Blizzard are really throwing shit at the wall these days.
I saw someone watch this in their house on their big tv, I was in a yellow double bus
0:34 ”S9 hanzo is the strongest character that has ever been in overwatch” 2018 brig intensifies
Sooo, Hanzo v. Widow. Hanzo cones out on top?
Hanzo is the reason i played this game, no longer oneshot anymore, i think i will quit this game