"Snasen tech" showcase #2: CSF part 1 (C-stick flick)
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- This tech is about eliminating the forced momentum from buffering aerials out of jump with the c-stick.
Hope you find this useful. :)
If you want more of this type of content, I would be more motivated to make more if you subscribe!
Part 2 coming soon.
Song used:
Holberg Suite, Op. 40 1st movement "Prelude"
Composer: Edvard Grieg (1843-1907)
Orchestra: Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra
Conductor: Ole Kristian Ruud
Twitter: / snasensmash
Movement looks so much smoother jesus. Im gonna have to learn this.
It also seems like a good subtle mix up that I feel would fuck with people in the neutral.
No ad sponser, no annoyingly long intro, no bullshit. I love this video
Hey bro thank you for this amazing tech ! you have helped the marth community greatly !
Let Me Smash Gaming My pleasure! It’s cool to hear ☺️ I was thinking a lot about how scary Marth could be when playing with this tech 😅
I guess you could say this tech is a great tip for Marth mains
Excellent choice in music.
Just some bird Thank you! Finally someone notice!
Nice! I'm just thinking of how many times someone might have done this and thought they were attack canceling lol. I'm honestly a fan of some of these tighter inputs in ultimate.
The few times I have gotten a perfect fade back fair I actually thought it had to do with attack cancels smh
These videos deserve more recognition. Keep it up
TheZombieGrunt Thank you so much! There will be coming more! At least 2 more in these series are currently being made whenever I have time to =)
Ah yes 5head 🍷 Simply a exquisite tech
Keep up the good work PogU
Sak Sak 🥂Thanks, haha 😄
Man, I’ve never been more scared of shulk f-airs lol
Ashton Char Shulk is insane with this 🤯
Thanks. Thanks a lot. Seriously, now I can actually space my gosh dang Tipper Fairs. Great video.
-Sincerely, a grateful Marth main.
I love this, thanks for making the meta better
Thank you for the Holberg Suite
good video bro, it's good to see some familiar faces here in the comments supporting you aswell 👍 id love to hear some commentary in future videos if you have a mic that is. You're channel will grow very quickly if people get to hear the voice behind the ideas.
👍 ps I subbed 👀
Meta Of Smash Thank you! 😁 I do have a mic, just a little new to all this, hehe. Really appreciate the advice, I will give it a go and see how it sounds, hehe 😅
@@SnasenSmash for sure man, i can say from experience that having your voice behind your clips really allows the viewer to grab hold on to something unique. dont worry about sounding super professional, just be yourself and people will find you :D
Man, how do you still have only about 300 subs while doing these videos with good info and well edited?
This is the tech that ive been looking for, thanks!
Any tips on flicking in the left direction consistently with the pro controller? For me it is a lot harder to flick left than it is to flick right
In case you're like me and keep getting nairs:
You're actually attack cancelling your tilts so make sure you hit jump before the C-stick.
(Should be obvious as it's said in the video, but as the timing is pretty tight it might happen on accident.)
(Edit: mixed up jump and attack cancelling)
Tech like this is what makes me tolerate ultimate
Oh god. This will change everything.
I'm having an extremely hard time performing this. I can't do it at all with my normal grip and jumping options. I do use R to perform attack cancels so I tried to use that as jump instead and it works like 1/20 times. I tend to get this accidentally a lot more when I'm trying to just do an attack cancel bair, but instead, I perform a retreating fair.
Do you have any suggestions
Traystigo I would suggest practicing it slowly and observe and analyze your every attempt with a few seconds interval between every attempt.
The main thing is getting the timing with your thumb moving the c-stick a few miliseconds after the jump button.
Keep trying to get the interval between jumping and flicking more and more tight and after awhile you will develop correct muscle memory for it, especially if you take your time and don’t rush it. Hope this helps!
So it actually necessary to input the cstick in the two frames after jump, or can it be done at the same time? Because realistically, I think the fastest you’d be able to move the stick to the housing is one frame, then back to center/neutral would be another frame. So that would be
Frame1: Start holding jump
Frame2: Hit housing with cstick
Frame 3: Have cstick back at center/neutral by the end of this frame.
That’d require a frame perfect cstick input the very next frame after jumping. Are you sure you can’t cstick at the same time as jump? Like this:
Frame1: Hold jump & Cstick hits housing
Frame 2: Return stick to center/neutral by end of frame
Frame3: Frame allowance for polling issues. That would make the Jump>Cstick frame window from 1 to 2, which would make it more practical and prevent polling issues.
Cstick and jump at same frame becomes an attack cancel. But you can hold the cstick for 2 frames or be 1 frame late if You flick for 1 frame
Cstick can return on 4th frame too
@@SnasenSmash If cstick was still traveling to center during the start of the fourth frame it would be active for the 4th frame (first frame in the air). You’d need the stick to be neutral before the 4th frame started, otherwise the cstick would be read.
@@SnasenSmash Is it possible for you to upload a handcam? Going through the comments it seems like a lot of people are confused on the actual physicality of it, I think it would help a lot 🙇🏾♂️
@@dagingerbreadman70 exactly. So the stick is flicked on 2nd frame and does not need to return before third. It can be active on third too, but needs to return before the 4th frame hits. Which means you can also flick on 3rd frame, but it needs to return within the frame. It’s doable too unless your controller has some big snapback issues
Thanks for the info!
My pleasure!
This fixed a problem I didn't even realize was happening lol
Very interesting video :)
YES THANKYOU
As far as I can tell this has nothing to do with flicking the c-stick, it's about inputting the aerial after jump squat is over or inputting jump the frame after pressing a direction. Whenever I press jump before any direction and press C-Stick during jump squat, no matter if I let go before first airborne frame I still slide forward. If I press direction before jump OR press the c-stick after jump squat is over, it doesn't matter if I flick or hold, it will give the result of full momentum aerial like you showed.
In order to prove that your tech is actually real, would you be able to show yourself performing buffered f-airs/b-airs in place without moving backwards or forwards? Because otherwise this is just *not* buffering.
Sorry if it seems I am rude, I have just been labbing this for about 15 mins and can't get a single one where I feel it was actually buffered and not just me timing the inputs in a way where I wouldn't be able to if it was buffered.
PS: I am even testing on a keyboard that allows me to do 1 frame inputs, so I got that covered by the way.
Chiroz I appreciate your criticism, no worries. You don’t come off as rude to me 😁.
The video is in 60fps, you can check frame by frame that it is frame perfect aerials without drift many times in a row and the training mode proves that I am moving in 1x speed. I would not be able to do this without the aerial buffering out of jump squat (or it would take a really long time to make all those clips)
I’ve tested this in many ways and there are also clips on twitter with others practicing the tech successfully using the instructions.
I also do many bairs towards the end without moving, also the fact that fox uair autocancels is proof of frameperfect action.
I’m not sure why it does not work out in your case, but without seeing exactly what you do, I can’t recommend doing anything else than doing exactly as I describe in the video 😅
I can assure you 110% this tech works exactly as I explain it ☺️ this is also not my first tech discovery
@@SnasenSmash Ok, I will keep trying on my own to see if I can get any similar results
Chiroz Sounds good! Feel free to ask any questions anytime if you have any and I will answer as soon as I see them ☺️
@@chiroz6464 Were you able to?
@@dagingerbreadman70 I can do it on frame by frame and also on lower speeds (even 2/3) on training mode, but I have never been able to get it on normal speed even with a keyboard controller. You must hold the input only for 1-2 frames, so it might just be me sucking at it. This isn't widely used at top levels of play yet, I am unsure if it's because the input is really hard, as it seems like it would be a useful thing to do.
There are other techniques to get momentum that's different from your aerial, but this is by far the most useful one (since it doesn't require a prior commitment like dashing) which makes it the more curious that I don't see this used all the time.
That's amazing! Muchas gracias
Im wondering if you used holberg suite because of gnembon's minecraft tutorials using the same piece and also being highly technical videos about a video game. Probably not though. But give one of his videos a watch if youre into that kinda thing
1:44 this is for me, you can keep moving
holy shit this is godsend
What are some situations in which this could help? Great video!
Nice video! Could you do wave landing on platforms Next?
How do I go from not being able to do this to actually performing it? Does it matter that I use a pro controller? Is my cstick not snapping back to neutral fast enough?
I am letting go as soon as I can and I'm still drifting
It's not fast enough
is there a tutorial for beefing up the spring?
@@epicnerf1 The spring actually wouldn’t effect this I believe 🤔. The spring does less for travel time then it does for preventing the joystick from overshooting as it snaps back. As far as it returning to center (or beyond) from a flick, the largest contributing factor would be the elastic collision between the joystick and housing; that is, the joystick bouncing off the housing already makes controllers move *towards* neutral faster. A stronger spring actually would make it more difficult to move the joystick away from center, reducing speed and the resulting bounce off of the housing.
So is the better than attack cancelling, or just easier?
This seems really usefull but when i try to do it i often reverse my aerial with my directional stick because i try to drift back
to stupid for a Name I see! I think it is because you flick the cstick before jumping which turns it into attack cancel bair.
@@erlendruud4940 Oh yeah that might be it. I assumed the directional stick overwrites the c stick input but your answer makes more sense!
Am I the only who sometimes while doing c stick flick bair moves forward without using the control stick? Im guessing its an issue with my controller or something
That’d be SnapBack issues yeah. You’re flicking the c stick but the spring is too weak, so instead of returning to center and stopping it’s traveling past neutral.
That looks really cool ! I wish I could use it but my shoulder buttons are set to specials and shield so F
Personally I find trigger jump shield is a better combination
What's the reason you need special trigger?
If you claw you can still use it ☺️
@@SnasenSmash I claw! 😁
Does this work differently for the pro controller because I hear the c stick functions differently between the gc and pro controller
I think that's misinformation, the pro controller should be the same except for the extra L button
{Luna } I don’t think it’s any difference technically. For me personally, I have much more ease using a pro controller when it comes to tech or movement including the shoulder buttons
How do you do the CSF flick with RAR and iRAR?
Nope Not Today Sadly it does not work with attack cancels/IRARs, but when I RAR them I turn around manually with the left stick and CSF like normal. (Personally I RAR by placing the left stick diagonally up so I don’t accidentally dash backwards)
@@SnasenSmash When are you inputting the turn around? At 1:29 you dash and then turn around but then do the CSF back air without forward momentum.
Nope Not Today right before jumping. I dash -> then hold diagonally upwards the other direction to make sure I dont dash the other way, but still get a RAR -> jump And CSF and hold backwards for the drift
@@SnasenSmash What are you doing to get reverse momentum? I tried everything you said and I still don't get it.
@@SnasenSmash thanks for trying to help
Sometimes I flick the stick and it actually makes me go backward. What is up with that?
SnapBack issues on your controller
Flick > jump = attack cancel bair
I've been trying this for 3 days now, but I only get it 2/3 of speed, at normal the only things that come out are nairs and drifting fair.
Any suggestion?
do you success now?
@@Freida999 kind of. I have jump on Zr and tilt c-stick, when I do it to the right i can get it pretty consistently, on the left 1 time out of 10
@@m_remon Do you need to change your grab (using nail or something like that)? Do you angle your C-stick or just straight right?
@@Freida999 what to you mean by nail, anyway I don't angle the stick, straight right
@@m_remon I thought using hawk grab would be easier idk ^_^'
I’m having trouble getting this on pro controller. Been going at it for a week, just trying to flick the cstick as quickly as possible immediately after jump, but I either accidentally get an attack cancel nair, or I get a regular buffered aerial 😢. Any additional tips?
Attack cancel nair means that you flick it too early. Normal buffered aerial means you don’t flick it quickly enough 😎 this tech is the one I’ve seen the fewest adopt. It takes time to get into muscle memory
Quickly as in active c-stick for fewer frames
@@SnasenSmash How long did it take you to get down consistently? I think I’m just too slow at the flick, I keep holding it too long.
2:35 Why can't this just be a custom controller setting in-game
Wait does this make lucinas rising aerials save on shield? damn
to stupid for a Name Yup, really safe...
Would pressing two jump buttons achieve the same effect?
Unfortunately no.
Is this slingshot?
It’s not slingshot, but can look similar in some cases
I dont see any application for peach :/
Azterax Ow Nothing major, no :( I could see retreating bairs and fairs maybe. Or uairs/dairs with full momentum in some cases. Too bad that peach can’t utilize float with buffered aerials
@@SnasenSmash i thought about it but its not optimal :/
palu bair with this tech must be very not fun to fight against
Lol