Tutorial: Shutter Speed for Filmmakers / PART II
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- This is Part 2 of a 3 Part Tutorial in the Filmmakers Compendium.
PART 2: The "right" Sutter Speed
What is the best speed and how to avoid flicker from lights or monitors. Hoe to use creative shutter speed for emotional impact.
PART I • Tutorial: Shutter Spee...
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PART III • Tutorial: Shutter Spee... 
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first of all, you are making good videos and you are good with camera. About chasing all things about “filmmaking“ I think that is a hole without a bottom... There is a lot of movies from Norway, Germany, UK, without almost any film mits, filmed almost like a home videos and... public just like them. I think, when we speak about mo vies and film in global, everything is about a story.
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Thanks man.... really go down to 12fps (stretched to normal speed in post) AND max shutter length to get something noticable. I still think it might be a bit profane... I would rather try some anamorphic for a more subtile change
@@MediaDivision What shutter speed did you use for that clip with the woman in front of the carnival ride? That's the clip that really clicks with my dream idea.
In that case I had the GH5 in photo mode, that alows the exposure to last several frames. The advantage is, that you see the introduced motion blur on screen while you are shooting ()still shootijg video of course using the HDMI out. My guess is, that the equvalent would be 380° shutter and 8 frames per second. Try a bit around until you hit exactly what you need
@@MediaDivision Thanks
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idea: maybe a video about fps, with all the advantages and disadvantages you see for each of the common options, what you choose for what type of project and why.
that for the input..... that would be a one minute video and youtube doesn't allow different frame rates in one video.... so you can't show/compare them ;-)
I should really rewatch Saving Private Ryan
Always a good choice if one has the stomach for it
Hello, that effect from 10:35 reminds me of Tony Scott style. I would like to do it. But, my camera´s shutter speed doesn´t go lower or longer than 1/25 at 25 fps. Don´t know why in video I have that limitations, because at 60 fps the limit is at 1/60. How much longer or lower from usual did you put the shutter in this case, more or less?
Most cameras don't allow to set a shutter longer then the Frame rate demands. A GH% can do so while using video with camera set in photo mode. It basically just means that you get the same image several times in the video file. It is just convenient for preview. You can also just lower the frame rate and use the minimum shutter time. If you slow that down in post, you have the exact same effect. Less complicated then it sounds now… just give it a try
Any advice for shutter angles when doing "medium speed panning", to get rid of the stutter?
Hey Jimmie... panning is the enemy of slow frame rates. I would stick to 180° and keep the panning either slow or fast. "medium speed" is always problematic as it gives your viewer the time to see stutter. You can always try to add motion blur for polishing... I describe how to do that in PART 3. Sometimes the "long GOP" codecs have a problem with medium panning. if you feel annoyed by that, I suggest to use an all Intra codec.
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@@MediaDivision It would be highly appreciated if you made a tutorial on panning speed depending on frame rate, shutter angle and how it all relates to stuttering! Thanks for your videos!
You do excelent job here on your chanel! Thanks for all the knowledge you share.
Hope you read this some day and maybe you can clarify or correct my way of thinking on motion blur in cinematography. I come from photography world and only lately went into film making finding all the nuances you've mentioned on the road :) My understanding and so far my experience with motion blur is this that motion blur on single frame of film depends on the time the shutter is opened. So take as an example 1/50s which gives the kind of "natural" motion blur when we film with 25 fps. If I double the frame rate during filming to 50fps while preserving 1/50s shutter speed every frame gets the same amount of blur as in the first example. Let's imagine we try to play the second clip with 2x slow motion i.e. 25p - we obviously slow the movement but every single frame has the same amount of blur as in the first clip (filmed with 1/50s and 25 fps). In Apocalypto you've mentioned, when they slow down the 180 degree angle shutter speed (as I understand in that case 1/48s) 2x to our eyes we are presented with two times the same frame (with the same motion blur recorded but for the two times longer period of time) how is it then possible that the motion blur is further exagerated and as big as taken with 360 angle shutter??? My current understanding is that the actors' motion maybe slowed down with perhaps some amount of "strobing" because we in fact have different frames every 1/12 sec now, but the perceived blur should not been affected. Or I am missing something??? When I make slow motion I try to set my shutter speed as long as I can (meaning 360 degree angle) to have as much blur as possible when filming 120fps or 180fps, because when I use 180 degree shutter in 180fps I have almost no motin blur with 1/360s shutter and I don't want to have such a sharp frames. Is it a good approach when I don't want to add otion blut in post? Or maybe I totally miss something important so I greatly appreciate any help in understanding it better. Thanks in advance.
Hey Piotr... thanks for the flowers. If you shoot at 50fps you would use the 180° rule for normal blur... that translates into 1/100s of a second. If you slowed that to 25fps you have the exact right amount of blur. Only shoot 50fps at 1/50s if you wanted to deliver at 50fps AND you want to maintain the classic motion blur look. As you actually have a higher motion resolution, 180° looks fine for 50fps delivery. Use the 180° for fast sport etc and the long exposure for "poetic and low light" shots. BTW, a 360 shutter is impossible in "real" film, as there is time needed to actually transport the film to the next frame while the shutter is closed.
In the Apocalypto example there is no exaggerated motion blur. Sorry, I was talking bullshit. It would look smooth if there was. If you want exaggerated motion blur, you would have to use very long exposures with a lower frame rate. In digital filmmaking, that is very easy as most cameras allow exposures over 360° (producing identical frames) giving resulting in images that have psychedelic amounts of blur. For the following part of your question... I have no idea what you are talking about?! When you film 240fps and you plan to slow that down for 25fps, you still shot at 180° for "normal" motion blur... a moving object has exactly the right amount of blur it would have a 10th of speed in real life. Thats so cool about the 180° rule. If you calculate with seconds, you have to re-evaluate. 240fps would have to be shot at 1/480s of a second to match. You would not deliver at 240fps... so the rule stands. If you have 360° shutter and slow it, moving objects will look blurry. Still.... with super high frame rates you usually have little blur (as objects move slowly) and it matters little. Adding blur in post, gives you the flexibility to choose the right amount of speed/blur in post. I hope that helps
@@MediaDivision Thank you very much for your answer. I have to rethink it and maybe make some tests for me to understand how it works. Sorry for my english, sometimes it is hard to explain what I is on my mind in foreign language.
i was thinking the same thing bro
Is there a way in After Effects to create the Saving Private Ryan look, ie mimic the 45° and Out of Phase Shutter?
I am sure… but I haven’t tried
You explain that the solution to fix light flicker is the right shutter speed. I bought a G9 NTSC in US and going to move to Germany. It has only 24,30,60,180 Framerate but no PAL rates. But according to your explanation I should not fear to use it indoors regarding flicker because it can be solved by setting the right shutter speed 1/50. is that correct? Would be great! I am curious why PAL frame rates are still needed anyways. Thanks.
Sure.... shutter beats fps. In time of led and LCD you never know what is coming at you anyways. 24fps and 25fps are fine for most applications. All my recent episodes are shot at 24@180 in Germany.
This is something i understand in theory but can not apply with confidence myself on a shoot so auto it is.
Perhaps another video showing the application and handling of a canon or nikon cam so people can at least revert to your content when needed.
step one in becoming a filmmaker.... switch off auto modes including auto focus. Start again.
We want to appeal to a larger audience and not to specific brands or cameras that update fast. There are videos like that on YT... just search. No need for the 54 version of it..... plus, we find that boring
Does the ocean 11 Matt demon into scene where the trains are blurry was it shot with lower shutter speed
It looks more like normal footage is displayed at lower frame rate… of course, that means, that the displayed shutter looks like 360°... basically the same what you see here in Apocalypto at 10:14
Hallo! Nice tutorial!!! Thank You! I have question for you. In my last video session I forgot change shutter speed from 320 (because I record slow in 180) and then I record in 50p but still shutter was 320. You know, I just forgot. Do you think is the terrible mistake? It is only on 3 scenes on my movie. In your opinion will it be visible on my movie? Thanks from answer! Cheers from Poland :)
Thanks Spot.... It really depends on the scene and whats in it. I wouldn't worry to much. It is like it is now. If you mean 320 degrees shutter there is not much you can do about it... if you mean 1/320 of a second shutter, watch part 3 of this tutorial... I show a technique to add motion blur if shutter was to fast
Media Division Yeah. I ask you before I watch next movie:) Thank you for answer. P. S. Your RUclips channel is very helpful!!!
My pleasure
In an old fasion shutter the outside of the shuterdisc the fil is longer exposed as the inside. Was this a problem?
Yes… obviously it is not a problem. It is very different to rolling shutter and all parts of the image are exposed at the same time
Wow... Thank You for Great Explanation. Can I shoot in 25fps with 1/50 Shutter and edit in 23.976fps in post?
I mean... Does will it have the same film feel motion blur like that it was really shot 23.976fps ( Electronic shutter or Mechanical Shutter )
Pleasure Vinvilli. If you shot 25fps 1/50, you should edit and release in that. The look is indistinguishable from 24 1/48. IF you have to change frame rate (maybe to match other footage shot at 24 fps, you should not just drop 25fps on 24 timeline as you will have a drop frame rate every second... that is VERY visible during pans. You can re-interprete the footage to 24... As the resulting clip is slightly longer, the Audio will have to be stretched (NLE does that automatically)... that is usually not audible.
@@MediaDivision Thank You... I love your channel 🥰
Great video.
If I film in 25fps and speed up by 1000% in post, the correct
shutter speed for the 180° rule would be 1/500s?
Or the other way around, so 1/5s?
Thanks again… NO… if you plan to speed up, your shutter has to get slower and slower… not faster. With 25 fps you can't get slow enough as you would exceed 360° or you would expose multiple frames... use time lapse with strong ND for long exposures. If you SHOOT 2500 fps (thats 25 x1000%) for flow motion the right shutter for 180° is 5000s. If you want to speed up and you don't want to use a stills time lapse, just use the technique I explain in part 3 :-)
Thanks, I've just understood it.
No. 1000% speeded 25 would require the (180°) shutter to be 100x SLOWER than the 50s… so 2 seconds per frame. Not possible with 25fps… or you would just expose 50 frames. time laps with 2sec exposure (ND ND ND) or simply add blur in post. Works very well, as there are 100 motion samples ALREADY in the footage by shooting 100 times faster than required.
@@MediaDivision i.e. the forest speeder chase scene in 'The Return of the Jedi'. As documented in 'Cinefx', Dennis Muren & steadicam operator walking through a redwood rainforest (near Muir Woods, SF), while snapping stills w long exposures, then strung together & sped up in post. This gave the illusion of the lush greenery flashing by at race-car speeds as the talent on separate stationary blue-green screen shots performed Jedi combat moves on their speeder-bikes, with fans blowing their capes & hair.
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I tried this using my tripod as a poor-man's "steadicam". It's hard! It failed because my tripod lacked lateral stability wings & weights, and no shoulder-spring mount added more jittery motion which made all the stills a messy gello, and which did not string together well. Plus it was a Canon EOS-10D which sucked in my "redwood" forest as its lousy dynamic range was overly noisy even at its pitiful max 1600 ISO even with bright mid-day sun hidden by the tall trees. So make sure for 2-sec shutter stills to have one heck of a harness steadicam and a good low-light clean >6400 ISO camera if you're in the forest.
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I also tried After Effects CS3 at the time (2012), to extrapolate motion blur between stills frames as I walked through my forest. Render times during that era were way too long, as that version did not have good multi-core nor GPU-render-assist, but I suppose it's much improved by now yes?
I didnt quite get how the last effect at 10:39 is achieved? Shutter speed above 180d but lower than 360d?
As long as possible (360) and lower frame rate… displayed stretched to fit normal fps
Hi, what frame rate/sutter speed should I record to get the same effect as at 10:34?
Just try maximum shutter length (380°) and a slow frame rate like 12fps or 8fps. Some cameras allow to set the shutter speed longer than a frame of video would be, in that case, there are just identical frames recorded
360° shutter angle at 24fps looks like someone forgot to turn off the resampling in Sony Vegas, however it does look awesome at 60fps delivered at 60fps
When you refer to a longer shutter, are you saying a higher or lower shutter speed (longer =drawn out?) sorry abit confused. Like you said it was a longer shutter speed to replicate shell shock in saving private ryan, so they would have gone with 1/24 and a shutter at 360 (1/24)?
A longer shutter is refers to the time a shutter is open. The shell shock scenes seem to to work use long shutter while the rest is very fast shutter. It also looks that these scenes use a frame rate alteration.
BTW, you can't do 360 with film... there needs to be time left for the film to be transported to the next frame without exposure. You can get longer shutters by reducing the frame rate and doubling the frames in post.
@@MediaDivision ah good to know :) thanks so much for the info, really appreciate it
So 90 degrees would 4 times the exposure? Am I correct?
4 times of what exposure? Exposure is not absolute. It is a quarter of 360 which is “always open” or halve of 180 which is open halve of the given time
You mention artificial slow motion, how does this work and how to achieve a natural result?
Izzy Borges in this context it just means not having shot with a high frame rate. if you want slow motion with that footage, you either show each frame longer, you blend frames, or you render in between frames (optical flow). There are many ways to do it. Most NLEs offer all three, but best results are achieved in After Effects with Time Warp... see Part three of this Series.
For the algorithm.
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If I have a 16mm lens, my shutter speed should be twice the number, or?
Shutter has nothing to do at all with focal length… everything you can know about when why what is in this series… watch it and you will know
Media Division yes I actually thought about FPS instead of the focal leght. So if I shoot at 24fps my shutter speed should be twice the number exactly, rounded up at 1/50?
Shutter speed at 1/300 will fix this problem right?
What problem?
Part 2 of a 3 part series, 7:30, more on fixing shutter speeds in part 4?🤔
Brainfart... it is in Part 3
Media Division thanks for answering quickly, I was like “where’s part 4?”, 😂!
I'm very curious, if you can, to analyze some names of martial arts movies that I have always liked as they were taken, his shutter speed I think has been included in post some king of speed mixed in those fights. I will be nice if you could make a video taking those movies as samples, about what shutters speed they used, I like especially the Indonesian movie called: "The night come for us" and there are others like: The Rade Redemption, Revenger, Kill Zone 2 and IP Man. Thank you! I will add a trailers here: ruclips.net/video/HfSisHrUTLM/видео.html (Thank you so much for your videos!)
Thanks for the input and the flowers. I find talking about "just shutter" a bit one dimensional. For the compendium, I feel like I exhausted the subject... now fight choreography can be interesting for sure, but I would rather plan and film it myself then analyse it.... if I ever run into martial arts experts... maybe.
Thank again for your videos, I am planning to do some tests personally, I will always be watching your videos, they are very interesting, I wish you much success in your next projects!
@@M_freedomOfSpeech Thanks a lot Ricky!
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2:11 green flash, wtf
render errors happen... complain with Adobe, Apple, AMD.
this is not the BBC...
@@MediaDivision Yeah didnt want to offend You..... Just noticed...... What caused this? Premiere Pro?
hard to say which component done it in the end.... in that time I had a lot of those errors exporting long formats in ProRes from Premiere. The problem didn't appear with direct h264 export from Premiere. Sometimes you see a flash after hours of render and upload... and then you just have to live with it in thin (no budget) world.
@@MediaDivision well yeah but even with low budget you should be able to rely on your programs
You should, but that wasn't the case ever with any system.