It depends on the skill level. I’m a 700, and I got in this position (I was the one without any pieces) and I decided to take a gamble that he didn’t know how to room checkmate. The game was eventually drawn by timeout vs insufficient material
This is completely forced. You put your king in a position so they can either run away to an edge or step into opposition. If they go to the edge you follow, if they go into opposition you check with the rook and force them back a rank. Repeat until checkmate. The opponent isn't going into the corner to be cooperative, running to the corner delays checkmate as long as possible.
@@Lamel9172 yeah, to begin with, you can always choose the better half, this means you will only ever need to move 4 lines. There is a method to move the king past the 4 move mark from any position (including the other kings position) in less than 5 moves. This means in the worst case, where the king is in the worst place (5 moves to get into position, we will need to move 4 rows (which I think is 9 moves each) this means we will need to make 36 moves + the 5 moving into position moves, this will take 41 moves, which is less than 50. I think my numbers are correct and that would imply you can always move them effectively but I don't have a chessboard and I honestly can't be bothered doing all the moves...
You can't premove rook checkmate. The opponent not always play "best move". Also wirh 2 rook with the same reason, there's a safe premove way but it take alot of move
For some reason loads of people in my school just randomly started playing chess whenever we get time on computers, idk why nobody in my class enjoys it we just naturally want to see who's better at chess
If you are going to use this method you should not be going for opposition, you should be trying to stay a knights move away so the king is forced to the edge of the board or be forced to be checked by the rook and forced back again. If you try to do what you just did in the short, the black king can just move back and forth in the middle and white has to do something else to make progress
I have a better and more effective one Make a square with your rook guarded by your king Start making the square smaller and smaller until opp king is in back rank Then move your room to edge and opp king to opp corner and Check mate them
You want to get your king a knight move away from his king on the side of your rook. Follow the king to the edge then force it back until mate. If he moves his king into this position, make a waiting move with your rook. If he moves his king into this position but he is on the side of your rook, slide it over to the other side of the board
I might be wrong, but I think that the "(the king) will eventually hit the edge of the board forcing him to look at your king" concept doesn't necessarily work every time: if the opponent knows this strateg, he can just move his king back and forth along the rank/file so that he won't "eventually hit the edge of the board". This method is nice and works fine but sometimes just doesn't work out and u end up in a draw. The "shrink the box (+waiting move)" method, on the other hand, works EVERY single time. Do more experienced chess players agree with me? As I said I might be wrong
Sorry, but you are wrong. The real, PROPER way of doing this works every single time, with NO possibility of a draw. The guy in this video is actually doing it incorrectly, and if you do it this way, they can just move back and forth like you said - leading to draw by repetition. The key is to avoid being the one to place your king in a direct line across from their king; this allows them the choice to move in two directions. You have to force them to be the one to move into that direct line. You want to be one entire file away from them as you follow (this is what the video gets wrong). So for example, if the black king was in row 2 and moved from e2 to f2, your next move would be d4 to e4. Also, if the black king ever moves in the direction of your king and tries to get you to move in the opposite direction or make YOU cross their path, do NOT move your king (either toward or away). Just move your rook one space on its own rank at the end of the row to "waste" your turn. With their next move, they now have no other option but to either cross your path or move away. If they move away, they are now one file away again, so follow them until they hit the end of the row and have to turn back into your path. Obviously, then bring your rook down one row. Rinse and repeat until you win. If this doesn't make sense, let me know and I can work through an example with you.
It's a little bit quicker to not go in the position where the kings facing each other. Go in the position where the king would do a check if he was a knight by the side of the rook.
This, sometimes nicknamed the 'Opposition Method' (or somthing like that) is the easiest way (= less brain power required), but I'd advise beginners to try to learn the box method as it is much faster, so the 50-move rule isn't as bad of a threat in case you mess up.
A guy checkmated me with Just a Kind and a rook right in the middle of the game that I was winning quite decisively. I was 1 move away from making a Queen and starting my attack. I never saw it coming
This rare af take wont happen not just cuz they he 50 move rule it takes 48 moves in the worst case but the factors of messing up a few moves and the factors of the end game would’ve been before the king and took only
This is a very slow way to checkmate with a rook, all the edges are the same if they move to the left edge that's just as good as the back so playing something like Rc5 is better than Rh5
You can't actually force checkmate this way because if the opponent is smart they will just never go to the edge of the board that way the kings are never on opposition
your king will march forward, and if you cant get the right opposition and off by a move create a stalling move with the rook forcing a move which should sync, although its irrelevant when using the box method
Also if the eneđy king is cornered, let's say on h8 and your rook is on for example a7, your king can aslo be on g6, not just on h6, and Ra8 is still checkmate
U don’t want to face the king when the opponent is running away because they can just go left and right for a draw; instead when the opponent’s king goes back a rank, move your king diagonal from theirs so there is no possibility of a draw
The king should not be facing the other king when chasing it as it would be able to repeat moves. Instead move it one square to the left or to the right and now the opponent cannot repeat moves because the rook can check and force the king further down the board.
What I like to do and in my opinion is more efficient is to create a box with my rook and king and drive the opponets king into the corner for checkmate
With the instructions he gave here it's always a draw. You're supposed to never step to the same file as the opponent's king as they can just move left right left right until it's draw by repetition
@@Kebabbing I’m totally aware of that, which is why I was able to point out that the provided explanation entirely fails to mention this and thus would always draw against a competent player.
At the part where he says slide rook to the other side of the board, just move it in front your king and then you only have to do it once making it a 8 move checkmate instead of 40+
Another way is instead of following the king you can move the rook somewhere (waiting move) that the opponent's king can't attack the rook in the next move. If someone is trying to checkmate you with their only rook. Try not to resign, they could make a mistake (low chance) which would end the game in a draw or even stalemate.
POV: You are 594 and you want to get to 600 and you somehow save the game because your opponent blunders when you just blundered so you search up how to checkmate with a rook cus you forgot and because you are playing 15|10 you don't run out of time and you are able to checkmate them.
a normal opponent would resign on the spot
Some people think you don't know how to checkmate but I learned this a decade ago
Depends on the rating
Also no nobody in their right mind would resign if there’s less than 10 seconds on the clock so it also depends on the circumstances
It depends on the skill level. I’m a 700, and I got in this position (I was the one without any pieces) and I decided to take a gamble that he didn’t know how to room checkmate. The game was eventually drawn by timeout vs insufficient material
Na I wouldn’t resign, they have to prove they know and could win on time or stalemate 😂
the square rule is so much easier and quicker lmao. this works too but you should be carefule of the 50 move rule
So I tested and worst case senario with this takes 48 moves.
@@Toppat4Lyfe assuming you do it perfect which a lot of people will manage to mess up
It’s possible to do in 20 moves
I tried doing it in the most beginner way possible
Yea I see those vids and I’m like man there’s a easier way
don't know why but I actually feel like I defeated a player like you who was wearing rabbit hat
It's hard to checkmate when opponent king doesn't go to the corner
This is completely forced. You put your king in a position so they can either run away to an edge or step into opposition. If they go to the edge you follow, if they go into opposition you check with the rook and force them back a rank. Repeat until checkmate.
The opponent isn't going into the corner to be cooperative, running to the corner delays checkmate as long as possible.
@@finbar163 got it..... It takes long time
@@ankursadhukhan yeah, it's not the fastest but it works and you don't have to think. I've never lost on time doing it this way.
@@finbar163 Thanks for teaching.👍👍
@@finbar163 yeah there's a faster way by trapping the opponents king in a box
All fun in games until the “50 move” rule comes in to play
most of the time this is possible in less than 50 moves.
@@jffrysith4365 Really?
@@Lamel9172 yeah, to begin with, you can always choose the better half, this means you will only ever need to move 4 lines. There is a method to move the king past the 4 move mark from any position (including the other kings position) in less than 5 moves. This means in the worst case, where the king is in the worst place (5 moves to get into position, we will need to move 4 rows (which I think is 9 moves each) this means we will need to make 36 moves + the 5 moving into position moves, this will take 41 moves, which is less than 50.
I think my numbers are correct and that would imply you can always move them effectively but I don't have a chessboard and I honestly can't be bothered doing all the moves...
@@jffrysith4365 Oh ok thank you
in our school we use the 16 move rule😅
Bro they can keep going side to side
I can just see Hikaru premoving all of that
im guessing hikaru is good enough to use the box
You can't premove rook checkmate. The opponent not always play "best move". Also wirh 2 rook with the same reason, there's a safe premove way but it take alot of move
Nothing beats the persistence of a player allowing you to promote all remaining pawns 😂
Considering that this is a video about a rook checkmate, I don't think I understand the relevance.
For some reason loads of people in my school just randomly started playing chess whenever we get time on computers, idk why nobody in my class enjoys it we just naturally want to see who's better at chess
He can just move the other way tho
I still remember when i spend 5 minute in 10 minute game just to find out how to check with only rook and king
Love you for this!
Can we just appreciate how smooth this transitional loop is? 🔥💯🤝🏽
If you are going to use this method you should not be going for opposition, you should be trying to stay a knights move away so the king is forced to the edge of the board or be forced to be checked by the rook and forced back again. If you try to do what you just did in the short, the black king can just move back and forth in the middle and white has to do something else to make progress
Thx actually helpful 👌
I have a better and more effective one
Make a square with your rook guarded by your king
Start making the square smaller and smaller until opp king is in back rank
Then move your room to edge and opp king to opp corner and
Check mate them
Thanks man! Was looking for it
Thank you man, you helped me
I thought checkmate with a rook isn't possible untill someone checkmated me.
If I used this "trick" I would probably get asleep before my opponent
Me with 10 seconds left on the clock: *resigns*
This is the slow way, you can do it much more easily by forcing your opponent into a corner
50 move rule be like
It doesn't take 50 moves to checkmate with rook and king
Box method in the corner:am I a joke to you💀
@CagnusMarlsonwhat if the opp doesn't chase your rook?? This doesn't work
@@Chris-qu2qyno but the opp can just keep moving on 2 squares to make a draw and you can't do anything with this method
You want to get your king a knight move away from his king on the side of your rook. Follow the king to the edge then force it back until mate.
If he moves his king into this position, make a waiting move with your rook.
If he moves his king into this position but he is on the side of your rook, slide it over to the other side of the board
I lost several games before I learn this.
Bro it's so much easier to keep the king in the box, if you can close the box with the rook do that, if not move your king up to protect, easy
POV: The enemy king moves back and forth between two tiles of the board..
Just FYI, there is a way to do this without that happening. Guaranteed win, no draw.
It's not the "easiest" way... The easiest way is the box method
Box method is faster.
I also do this with the queen since i don’t want to stalemate.
I might be wrong, but I think that the "(the king) will eventually hit the edge of the board forcing him to look at your king" concept doesn't necessarily work every time: if the opponent knows this strateg, he can just move his king back and forth along the rank/file so that he won't "eventually hit the edge of the board". This method is nice and works fine but sometimes just doesn't work out and u end up in a draw. The "shrink the box (+waiting move)" method, on the other hand, works EVERY single time. Do more experienced chess players agree with me? As I said I might be wrong
Sorry, but you are wrong. The real, PROPER way of doing this works every single time, with NO possibility of a draw. The guy in this video is actually doing it incorrectly, and if you do it this way, they can just move back and forth like you said - leading to draw by repetition. The key is to avoid being the one to place your king in a direct line across from their king; this allows them the choice to move in two directions. You have to force them to be the one to move into that direct line. You want to be one entire file away from them as you follow (this is what the video gets wrong). So for example, if the black king was in row 2 and moved from e2 to f2, your next move would be d4 to e4.
Also, if the black king ever moves in the direction of your king and tries to get you to move in the opposite direction or make YOU cross their path, do NOT move your king (either toward or away). Just move your rook one space on its own rank at the end of the row to "waste" your turn. With their next move, they now have no other option but to either cross your path or move away. If they move away, they are now one file away again, so follow them until they hit the end of the row and have to turn back into your path. Obviously, then bring your rook down one row. Rinse and repeat until you win.
If this doesn't make sense, let me know and I can work through an example with you.
Bro made it way longer than a normal one
My opponent would stalemate themself because of time
This is only available if the opponent goes for the rook
I prefer shrinking the box for the opponent king
What if the king doesn’t go for the rook and just keep going in the middle?
Make a rook move, giving you knight opposition
Waiting move
thank you for this
thank you for helping everyone under 25 elo
It's a little bit quicker to not go in the position where the kings facing each other. Go in the position where the king would do a check if he was a knight by the side of the rook.
its kinda crazy just how many moves you have to use to checkmate with just 1 rook and a king
This, sometimes nicknamed the 'Opposition Method' (or somthing like that) is the easiest way (= less brain power required), but I'd advise beginners to try to learn the box method as it is much faster, so the 50-move rule isn't as bad of a threat in case you mess up.
A guy checkmated me with Just a Kind and a rook right in the middle of the game that I was winning quite decisively. I was 1 move away from making a Queen and starting my attack. I never saw it coming
What if the opponent repeats moves
you can use the box checkmate
just cut off the squeares for the king to move with your rook while protecting the rook with your king
@@TheStrongest2662 oh ok
This rare af take wont happen not just cuz they he 50 move rule it takes 48 moves in the worst case but the factors of messing up a few moves and the factors of the end game would’ve been before the king and took only
This is a very slow way to checkmate with a rook, all the edges are the same if they move to the left edge that's just as good as the back so playing something like Rc5 is better than Rh5
You can't actually force checkmate this way because if the opponent is smart they will just never go to the edge of the board that way the kings are never on opposition
I always draw when the king is in the back rank💀
You forgot about the repetition of moves by the enemy king. The black king may just move to & fro and cause a draw by repetition.
you can move your rook
your king will march forward, and if you cant get the right opposition and off by a move create a stalling move with the rook forcing a move which should sync, although its irrelevant when using the box method
We can escape forward....
If you start before the 3rd rank it's an automatic stalemate
The Rolling Mate is way, WAY faster and accomplishes the same task in basically the same manner but more efficiently.
Also if the eneđy king is cornered, let's say on h8 and your rook is on for example a7, your king can aslo be on g6, not just on h6, and Ra8 is still checkmate
Right after this video i got rook king vs king and i was able to checkmate him because of you thanks man
good players may draw
U don’t want to face the king when the opponent is running away because they can just go left and right for a draw; instead when the opponent’s king goes back a rank, move your king diagonal from theirs so there is no possibility of a draw
He doesn't hav to go for the rock he will just go back and forth
This is how it feels having 1 piece left in Checkers 💀
It’s faster to cut off the king into a smaller and smaller section, this takes way longer
You can also just box in the king like when the white king is on c3 you could have just play rc4 and done it from there
there is other way better than this, you don't need king opposition. rook controls horiz and vertical line as well.
What about 16 Chance😂
Forgot to mention resetting tempo with a rook move… much faster
This takes forever.
Put the oppo in a box and then slowly shrink the box while protecting your rook.
I had this scenario once but I failed to execute it and I laid awake at night malding over it
The problem with this method, is it can have a high move count and nears the 50 move rule where it would be a draw
That’s the longest way the easier way is just to make a cage for the king
in Makruk you have to cm in 13 turns
so there are many shortways to cm
This video about 15 min ago would have been so helpful
tried this and the opponent can just repeat moves before reaching the a or h ranks to disable you and eventually draw
Just FYI, there is a way to do this without that happening. Guaranteed win, no draw.
A faster method would be to mive the rook on c4 instead of c8 and then the king behind it and then checkmate on the right side saving more time
The king should not be facing the other king when chasing it as it would be able to repeat moves. Instead move it one square to the left or to the right and now the opponent cannot repeat moves because the rook can check and force the king further down the board.
Yesterday I had this position and ended up stalemating him😅
What if the opponent king doesn't goes to the border , then it becomes frustrating
Bro this can just be repetition if your opponent move right and left
I prefer to do the knights distance method
He can just go back 💀💀💀
A rook can look at a king
This is so impractical in real life. When don't you learn something useful
Easiest way is to cover tower by king and check ...
What I like to do and in my opinion is more efficient is to create a box with my rook and king and drive the opponets king into the corner for checkmate
I would be actually surprised if you are able to draw that endgame
With the instructions he gave here it's always a draw. You're supposed to never step to the same file as the opponent's king as they can just move left right left right until it's draw by repetition
@@FlorianWendelborn No, if both Kings are on the same file you just need to make a waiting move with the rook, and all the same applies
@@Kebabbing I’m totally aware of that, which is why I was able to point out that the provided explanation entirely fails to mention this and thus would always draw against a competent player.
@@FlorianWendelborn Ok I see what you mean now
Can you please do a king and bishop
Not possible
“Draw by 50 move rule” 💀
Very comprehensive and clear. Better than other chess channels
I just had 2 games back to back where this happened. First where I had the room and second where I didn’t. Both draws.
Nah you are telling me this trick
I am the kind of guy who can blunder during ladder mate 💀
Somehow J thought of this myself before even watching this video
Thank you
When I do it they just got back and forth
I was actually in this situation and I forgot how to do it, and I blundered my rook, then my pawn cuz I was time rushed, and then a forced draw.
At the part where he says slide rook to the other side of the board, just move it in front your king and then you only have to do it once making it a 8 move checkmate instead of 40+
That’s a stalemate, if you can survive 50 moves without any other pieces it’s a stalemate
how is that stalemate?
@@magicalman7039 it’s a rule idk
@@magicalman7039 repetition of moves
@@gazing2471 that's not how repetition works, you need to get the same position three times
@@magicalman7039 it’s not repitotion of moves idk what’s it called
Another way is instead of following the king you can move the rook somewhere (waiting move) that the opponent's king can't attack the rook in the next move. If someone is trying to checkmate you with their only rook. Try not to resign, they could make a mistake (low chance) which would end the game in a draw or even stalemate.
Nah, put the king in smaller and smaller boxes way easier.
POV: You are 594 and you want to get to 600 and you somehow save the game because your opponent blunders when you just blundered so you search up how to checkmate with a rook cus you forgot and because you are playing 15|10 you don't run out of time and you are able to checkmate them.
What if the opponent goes back and forth
Me: *Does that*
50 move rule, time pressure and mouse slips: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
I mean at this point you’ve already won the game
I mean. This is slower than the actual way but it works
Explain checkmate with only Bishop and Knight.
Man wasted a move at the end
thats longer than usual 💀💀💀💀