Ellen White and the Shut Door - Dustin Butler
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- What is the Shut Door doctrine? Did Ellen White believe it? If so, did she ever change her view on the subject? Dustin Butler explores these questions regarding the Shut Door and how this teaching affected the early Adventist people.
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God will never never leave his genuinely truth seeking people in Darkness, God bless you and family for the spirit of wisdom 🙏👍
Timely sermon! I grew up loving Mrs. White’s writings. I’m now re-reading Early Writings after many, many years of life. Blessings always.
Praise the Lord for the enlightenment!
Very clear! I have never heard a message on this subject before. Many are setting Sister White aside these days. Timely sermon brother.
PTL! The selective rejection of Ellen White is running rampant today. Faith is waxing. We haven't much longer.
So many don't want to follow the council God gave us in the SOP or they pick and choose what they want to follow while disregarding what doesn't suit their agenda. I find many flat earthers are among those and make it a salvation issue.
@@lisachambers3683 no where did I say she was God or Jesus, but like the apostles who were inspired by the Holy Spirit of Christ to pen what they were given by Christ, I believe she was as well. It is your choice to deny it.
@@lisachambers3683 lisa, you are verifying the accuracy of what Ellen White prophesied.
Please repent, if you can.
@@lisachambers3683 You can bear false witness as much as you wish, I never said EGW was equal to God or Jesus, nor were the apostles. Just because some is inspired by God or Jesus doesn't make them a god or equal to God.
There were women prophets mentioned in the bible, yet their words didn't make it into the bible, does that make God a liar? What about Enoch, wasn't he inspired by God, yet his writings are not in the bible. You may not be a SDA or choose to deny the SOP, but I believe she was inspired and the writings she was given to pen were given by Jesus.
Revelation 12:17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 19:10 “And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
What did Paul and the apostles understand a prophet to be?
4396. προφήτης prophetes, prof-ay´-tace; from a compound of 4253 and 5346; a FORETELLER (“prophet”); by analogy, AN INSPIRED SPEAKER; by extension, a poet: - prophet.
Acts 2:17 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters SHALL PROPHESY, and your young men shall SEE VISIONS, and your old men shall dream dreams:”
Did God lie when he said that in the last days sons and daughters shall prophesy?
I find that the inspired writings expose sins and lusts of the flesh and a reason many choose to reject it.
Thanks for the message. Wonderful SDA history in 1844.
Ur Adventist r clearly indoctrinated.
When will u wake up
Amen. Wonderful study. The Lord is merciful and patient.
Amen amen ❤❤❤❤. May God be glorified.
I'm sorry, but how is God glorified by the shut door doctrine?
This doctrine was developed by the Adventist pioneers to spite other Christians who rightly rejected the failed return of Christ in 1844.
Thank you for this message. I appreciate the study that went behind it and sharing it with us.
I love the Movie,"Tell the World"!.❤ Amazing movie in regards to your blessed meesage! 😇🙏 Thank you 💕 May God bless all of you!🙏😇♥️
oh I never knew that regarding the Shut Door
And I grew up in Kalamazoo Mi and attended Battle Creek Academy. Thank you
Helen,
Most Adventists have no clue about the doctrine of the Shut Door. Even SDA seminary students are often not aware of it. Now that the internet and social media have brought shut door doctrine to light, Adventists now need to play defense and reckon with it. It is a terrible view and one of contempt that the early pioneers had towards others who did not accept Miller's 1844 date setting. Ellen White herself said this ungodly view of other Christians was an error:
"For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that *the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world* . This position was taken before my first vision was given me. It was the light given me of God that *corrected OUR ERROR* , and enabled us to see the true position." (Ellen White, Selected Messages Book 1, pages 62-64, 1883)
SDAs hide the shut door doctrine from the masses. Too risky to bring up and defend.
Thank you very much for this presentation. May God continue to bless your ministry
Amen brother. What prophet has not been rejected or persecuted? Jeremiah was accused of being a false prophet and was thrown in a dungeon. They nearly stoned Moses to death, but he was saved by God. Jesus talks about the killing and rejection of prophets in Luke 13:34, Matthew 23: 29-37. Acts 7:52 also talks about the same issue. The rejection of EGW is not a surprise. She foretold that she would be viscously attacked. People who read her writings with an open mind conclude she is a prophet. She points us to the Bible. I now have daily devotions because of her. Before reading her books, I hardly read my Bible. My relationship with Jesus is growing more and more because she elevates Christ. Most of her critics take what they hear from others and have never read her books. I challenge you to read her books with an open mind. If she hadn't written books, there would not be help for us because most of us don't read the bible. King Jehoshephat stated, " believe God and you shall be established, believe the prophets and you shall prosper" (2 Chronicles 20:20). I am a better person today because of EGW's writings that motivate me to love my Saviour more each day and to spend quality time with him.
You of so many are deceived and by Ellen's addition to the scriptures proves she is a false prophet. Jude 3 also proves false understanding of the word of God. The present truth, the shut door doctrine is false from the beginning and the recharge of the millerites. You have been deceived by choice or by Satan. Which is it?
@@stephencoe2231we will find out someday who has been deceived.
Amen Pastor Butler.
Your sermon on this topic is well done and instructive.
Thank you for choosing to speak on the matter.
Thank you for the Massage.
This video will solve alot of problems. Thanks again.
Instead of trying to help Ellen look biblical, just remember she was a human woman and not as SDAs think- a prophet. As a bible student every time I was learning more in the word, I had to fight against Ellen's writings to move forward in truth, finally I was released from the bondage she put over the SDAs. It is hard to come out of this cultish organization, I totally believed it and lived it until like many of the pioneers and Ellen's secretaries, I was almost driven nuts trying to reconcile the bible and what is taught there. Just stand on the word and you will not have the brain twist trying to keep from being lost questioning "the prophet" and living a standard she herself didn't live.
Ellen G White was God's messenger. She was led by Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saviour and Our Heavenly Father. You are wrong and obviously are in error and NOT saved. Repent! You are a Troll, and trolls nor Demons, nor satan, can discount Truth. Truth speaks for itself. Truth does not contradict the Bible, The Word of God. You will be found outside the Walls of Jerusalem upon the New Heaven and New Earth, how very sad and you will be Lost.
@thankfully1202 Well said! 👍
@@lisasisk3713 Lisa, you claim that the person making the comment above is "NOT saved".
How do you come to this conclusion?
Another Troll. Truth is Truth. To call Ellen G White a phony is proof they are not saved. Period.@@Hiram_Bates
@@lisasisk3713 "To call Ellen G White a phony is proof they are not saved". Since most of Christendom doesn't even know who she is, this is quite a statement.
Are you saying that Seventh-day Adventists are the only ones who are saved?
I noticed that within the period of less than two weeks, that there are at least four different Seventh-day Adventists RUclips videos all talking about the "shut door" doctrine. What are the odds?
Is there some reason for this? Was there some behind-the-scene discussion that corporate headquarters flagged for urgency?
Not at all in our case. I visited a wonderful group in Loma Linda and this question cam up about the position that Ellen White took on the subject. I rarely preach about a subject so quickly but the very next Sabbath I spoke on this topic to edify this group and review the true history and the facts surrounding it. The presentation was specifically intended for them and if anyone else had the same questions then Praise the Lord if it was a benefit to them also. There was no connection with any videos produce by other individuals. I love your I.D. by the way. The Edson story is one of my favorites in Adventist history. God gave his people the truth about the sanctuary the morning after the disappointment. Edson along with Hahn and Crosier developed the Day Star Extra of 1846 over the next year to reveal a more extensive explanation of the Sanctuary which EGW recommended to EVERY saint.
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelation Thank you for your response. That might explain the phenomena. I wonder if any of these other pastors/teachers might have been present. Probably just a coincidence. 😎
@@Hiram_Bates No, they were not present. This was a small gathering of 25 people or so about 45 min south of Loma Linda. Interesting that the subject has been addressed by three others though. I have only read one paper on the subject in all my years being raised in the church.
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelation So there is a lot of material out there on the Shut door doctrine. I am surprised at how many Adventists are completely unaware of it. (It's as if SDAs purposely avoid looking at anything that might be critical of their denomination. )
The fact that you have only read one paper on it means that it has been suppressed, apparently intentionally. This should be revealing to any Adventist who is willing to give this doctrine an honest examination.
Their are many Adventist theology students who have never been exposed or even taught this in their Adventist history courses. If this doctrine is actually not problematic, as you try to present in this video, why is it covered up so much?
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelationUR PAID TO BE VERY DECEITFUL SAD DAY
Amen Brother.God bless.
Thanks.
"For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world. This position was taken before my first vision was given me. It was the light given me of God that corrected *OUR ERROR* , and enabled us to see the true position." (Ellen White, Selected Messages Book 1, pages 62-64, 1883)
*So Ellen White admits that this terrible doctrine was an *error"*
No. That quote you posted is on page 63. She is not admitting the doctrine was wrong, she said the error was how they employed the term initially. You should read the paragraph that follows the quote your posted.
@@justamessenger4577 Here is the very definition of the Shut Door doctrine:
*_Those Millerites believing in the Shut door theory did not believe it necessary or possible to reach out to the lost, who had rejected Miller's final call. Salvation was only open to those who had accepted the message of William Miller_* .
Ellen White admits she at one time held to this shut door view. That is just the plain and simple truth. Even though she later called it an "error" and misinterpretation, nevertheless she once held animosity towards those rejecting Millerism.
@@uriahcrosier
So now you see that the shut door was not her invention, it was William Miller who started that. When she started having visions in late 1844, her view on that changed. It changed drastically. She no longer held the view William miller taught.
“For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world. This position was taken *before* my first vision was given me. *It was the light given me of God that corrected our error*, and enabled us to see the true position.
I am still a believer in the shut-door theory, *but not in the sense in which we at first employed the term* or in which it is employed by my opponents”. . 1SM 63.1-1SM 63.2
So you see that her first beliefs were not based on visions nor was she having visions yet. She was following the teaching of William miller. But after she started having visions in late 1844, she changed her stance based on the light God gave her. In other words, she first followed human teaching and then changed to what God taught. So I don’t see the problem with her changing her stance.
Yea she said it was an error. And God corrected that error. So I don’t see the problem.
As far as “animosity towards those rejecting millerism”, you can’t prove that. Having that erroneous belief doesn’t mean she had animosity.
@@uriahcrosier they still believe in a shut door ,Ellen white in her book GREAT CONTROVERSY claims unless sunday keeping Christian keep the sat Sabbath before the 2nd coming of christ they will have the mark of the beast only sat Sabbath keepers will be saved ,but to show the hypocrisy of her writings, she didn't have a problem copying from sunday keeping Christian authors claiming that God gave her the inspiration to write hardly the work of a prophet of God!,even asked for and received royalties for copied work!
@@uriahcrosier
This is her new stance on the shut door:
“I was shown in vision, and I still believe, that there was a shut door in 1844. *All who saw the light* of the first and second angels’ messages *and rejected that light*, were left in darkness. *And those who accepted it* and received the Holy Spirit which attended the proclamation of the message from heaven, and who *afterward renounced their faith* and pronounced their experience a delusion, thereby *rejected the Spirit of God*, and it no longer pleaded with them”. . 1SM 63.9
She learned that William miller was wrong. She then no longer believed that the world was cut off if they rejected millerism. She only believed that those who reject light, or accept light and then renounce it are those who the Holy Spirit no longer pleads with. That is what the shut door is, when the individual shuts them self off from God for whatever reason. In the chapter I quoted from, she cited a couple examples: those who didn’t get on the ark with Noah and those in Sodom who did not listen to Lot.
I don’t see the problem. Have you ever listened to someone and then found out what they taught was wrong? And then changed your stance on it?
The research through Ellen Whites writings is something that would be hard to do. Having all this information in one place is very valuable. And will help us to make informed decisions. Thank you.
I appreciate this
study. I knew somethings of Mrs. White’s understanding I don’t quite understand myself, but I knew in time there would be open honest answers to questions I had. How to connected the endorsement from heaven on brother Crosiers article and the shut door would be made clear to me. Thanks Dustin.
@@lisachambers3683 “concerning the time of that (Christ’s) coming, he says, in Mark , 13:32, “ But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no not the angel’s which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father ,”
Does that make any sense to you at all?
If the Father , Son are in unity as the Bible claims, why wouldn’t the Son know ? Continuing.
“It is thought by many, that this passage proves that men are to never know the time, But if it proves this, it likewise proves that the Son of God, himself is never to know the time; for the passage declares precisely the same concerning him, that it does concerning angels and men. But can any person believe that our glorious Lord, to whom all power in heaven and earth is given, is, and will remain ignorant of the time until the very moment that he comes to judge the world? “
“If not, then certainly this text can never prove that men may not be made to understand the time. An old English version of that passage, reads, “But that day and hour no man maketh known, neither the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”
“This is the correct reading according to several of the ablest critics of the age....”I believe the above, to be fair and correct view of the subject, and that the Father will make known the true time of the event of the advent, without the agency of men, angels, or the Son. “
Now doesn’t that make it much clearer on the Bible vs? The heavenly host and his Son, respectively, gives all honor to the Father only to make known the time.
“Word To The Little Flock p. 5. “
@@lisachambers3683You should apply that verse to yourself first and foremost.
@@lisachambers3683 I have answered you repeatedly. All saints have same faith, worshipping the same God. Your statements unfortunately also proved all saints have always been persecuted and misunderstood by the same evil spirit which you take part in. Nothing new under the sun, how accurate the Bible is.
@@lisachambers3683 God's end time movement (the remnant) has her history and mission laid out in Revelation 10, 12, and 14. Even the great disappointment (bitter sweet experience) was prophesied by God. God allowed that to happen to test the snowflakes from the sincere ones, as what had happened with the Disciples after the death of Jesus. They can not be instructed to prophesy AGAIN if they never prophesy prior to that. God had always have a peculiar people in different generations whom He raised up to restore the truth when His own people went whoring. When His people became harlots in Jeremiah's time, He raised up Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel etc. God's people in the New Testament also went whoring (Revelation 17). So again, God raised up a people: the remnant. Come out of Babylon, lest you share in her sins.
@@lisachambers3683 Intoxicated people can not discern truth. Revelation 17 described the condition of God's people who backslid and the whole world being drunk.
Drink from Jesus' cup of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:27-28, Hebrews 8:10) to get sober. Stop drinking from Babylon's cup (Revelation 17:4).
It is written:
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, It is not for kings to drink wine, Nor for princes intoxicating drink; Lest they drink and forget the law, And pervert the justice of all the afflicted.
Proverbs 31:4-5 NKJV
The mission for the remnant is laid out in Revelation 14, it is very self-explanatory. We are to prepare a people for the return of King and Lord Jesus Christ who is also the Creator and Savior of the world, who gave His Sabbath for His creation to acknowledge Him. Thats what we were called to "prophesy again" to all nations, tongues and tribes. It is the same mission that Elijah and John the Baptist did. We are also called to be the Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the Lord (Malachi 4:5). The faithful VS the whore: Elijah VS Jezebel. John the Baptist VS Herodias. The remnant Elijah VS Papacy. Elijah upheld Christ's sacrifice (grace) and the Commandments of God (1 Kings 18:18, 30-35). So did John the Baptist. The remnant also (Revelation 14:12). It is always the same cure: return to the pure faith in Jesus (grace) and obedience to the Commandments of God (law). It's a balance between the Gospel and the Commandments. The remnant does not invent any new teaching. That's the work that God entrusted to His faithful people.
Let's face it. Ellen is the most important prophet in history. Without her we lose the truth about 1844 that miller and other rejected. Her visions direct from god are the true path to salvation. Like dustin said, those who didnt get on the ark were lost cause they didnt listen. What would adventism be without the investigative judgment? Cant imagine, we would be lost. And the dietary laws, and guidance on how to dress and the truth about Saturday worship. Truly Ellen is equally important as the gospel itself. Like Dustin said it is dangerous to reject Ellen. Your salvation is at risk.
I don't want to put Ellen equal with scripture. I know she is important . But even though we can compare her writings with scripture she can't be equal
This is an amazing statement: "it is dangerous to reject Ellen. *Your salvation is at risk"*
What? Our salvation is dependent upon accepting Ellen White?
Then you state *"Truly Ellen is equally important as the gospel itself"*
Would you be comfortable proclaiming this to any of your non-SDA friends or acquaintances?
@uriahcrosier Ellen is not put above the Bible. If u read her writings they line up with scripture. Ellen says do not put her before scripture. Yes we only need Bible. My church hardly ever brings her up. I was in the church 3 yrs before I really knew who she was. But What ever religion or church people belong to and I don't care who u are you think everyone else is wrong
@@lindaschipansky4429
Many Adventists repeat these types of phrases that they don’t read Ellen white in their church or themselves - BUT do they use the sabbath school quarterly ? Her worldview & her writings permeate the lessons 🤷🏼♀️
@@lindaschipansky4429 By the way, I was addressing @james-wz4js, not you.
But since you mentioned that I think everyone else is wrong. I trust you don't agree with James who said *"it is dangerous to reject Ellen. Your salvation is at risk"* and *"Truly Ellen is equally important as the gospel itself"*
It sounds like James thinks that everyone else is wrong except for the Seventh-day Adventists.
This is one of the best studies I've seen on this subject. It could have been tightened up a bit, but the overall message was wonderful and true.
Just one point about J.N. Andrews: in 1844 he was only 15 years old, so his testimony may be lacking in substance.
Amen
Thank you for constructive feedback. This type of thing helps me a great deal. Speaking is not my gift so I take such advise seriously.
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelation Revelation, Thank you again for doing this study, and your humble manner.
She copied masonry terms and made them part of her spirit of prophecy writings.
The All Seeing Eye.
Give me one text in the Bible where any of the Prophets addresses God as the All Seei g one eye. God help us.
@@lisachambers3683😅❤😊 29:32
amen.,.,., Gbu.,., ,
I believe that this is an example of peoples experiences while they are going through a revelation of the Spirit of the living God! As now we are moving into the LIVING testimony & our experiences will be similar! I also believe this is a similar experience we will have as the door closes on the US (NSL) & moves to the world. We will have a similar struggle, but if we look up we will see Jesus move move to the door & tarry.
Blessings Brothers & Sisters
Yep. The notion of the Sunday law is nothing more that *the Shut Door Doctrine part 2*
Hello this is Andre economopoulos I am sure glad that the Lord has led me to this video and it's a good reason why and maybe you might have some in your Adventist Church that may not be accepting the wrong closed-door but they're doing the closed-door a different way which is just as dangerous as I've been doing all this time and now I understand that there's no way I haven't been doing that closed or we all know that there's is such a thing in the Bible though as what they call the unpardonable sin but now I know I can't be doing the unpardonable sin when the load is leading me to things like this when I need it and though it sends me to the word and want to study more so I hope that someday the Lord can lead you to share with other people that you're finding out that there's people that are doing the closed-door a different way and that is the unpardonable sin door and I can't be the unpardonable sin door if I'm still praying and fighting things like this and want to change so thank you very much
So are you saying that the shut door was once considered the unpardonable sin at one time. We now know that was wrong.
The unpardonable sin is now not keeping the Sabbath AFTER the time when probation closes. Is that what you are saying? (Perhaps I am misunderstanding you).
If you hit the "like" button it will help the algorithm of RUclips keep this video in the view of others looking for these topics. Maranatha! :)
Thanks brother. The same goes for the quote of the three beings, which she never wrote.
I also believe that the door is closing for many on the Father-Son issue.
No apparently it seems that she might have written three beings. It was found in her personal notes.
She did write it. It’s a false charge of the ATs who claim there is no third person of the godhead.
@@gregcox6165 please read what I wrote, it was about the three beings quote. I do not know one trinitarian that denies the three person quotes, so why are you using it.
She never however published anything regarding three beings and she said we must only look at her published writings, which she published, not Froom or any other deceiver.
@@johansteyn3756 total nonsense, AT nonsense. A person IS a being. Not your doublespeak claiming a being is something different. Listen, you are a fool and I used to walk among your cult. I studied EVERY detail. Remember when ATs used to claim you can only worship the father? Or the hilarious EGW didn’t write that until her handwritten notes were “published”? I do! There was ZERO repentance from the AT community for perpetuating lie after lie. Not one apology or request for forgiveness - NOTHING except changing the accusation. A prophets words are a prophets words, no human-artificial “oh, it’s got to be published or it doesn’t count” stupidity. There are three persons of the Godhead, all three are in scripture and SOP.
So if someone CORRECTLY told Ellen white you err because you've read the scripture wrong and Christ will not return in 1844 this person was subject to the closed door ? Or Ellen's explanation doesn't address those who were following scripture.
All the people who correctly openly rejected William Miller's failed date setting of Christ's return were in the right. They were not deceived.
You can't get from 457 B.C. in the spring. to the fall of 1844 with 2300 days .(a ten-year-old kid can know this is a cult!)!
For those who want to know what the KJV SAYS about the likely hood of EGW being a modern prophet of God, please READ : Revelation 19:10, Revelation 14:4, 1John 2:27, 2 Peter 1:19, Revelation 3:21, James 2:9, Hebrews 12:2, Hebrews 9:24, Hebrews 1:1-3, and Hebrews 8:1,2
There does not appear to be a ministry of "investigative judgement" or a second veil, for the 1844 time-set date. What denomination on earth has been redeemed from among men? Revelation 14:4.
Is there a hidden hand of oath keepers at work here?
If anyone can find scriptures to support the "Investigative Judgement" time line, we better hurry, we haven't got much time.
🎉is this a new church???????
Sermon is good and I generally agree with what was said.
The thought process of the pioneers on this matter... to be honest, this does not even make sense, if someone rejected the light prior to 1844 then afterwards studies it out, sees that it is the truth and wants to be part of the movement, is that not evidence in and of itself that God is drawings them to the truth.
Who are the earlier pioneers to say that one cannot be saved and that the door is shut to a certain group of people. The door may be shut to those who rejected the light and are no longer interested in becoming part of the movement/truth. I would say that anyone who was interested in the truth, the door is not shut to them - why? - by virtue of seeking for the truth.
You know that it is Ellen White's writing that are used to deceive others regarding the Father and Son truth - take for example the book evangelism.. the bible is clear. It would of been an easier thing for EGW to state the truth very clearly about the certain doctrines- When you watch the recent video on trinity in early Adventism - you see all the pioneers makes explicit statements, but EGW not so much.
The Scriptures has the answer to settle to wondering minds why Christ did not return ni 1844 - Rev. Chapters 10 & 11. This needs understanding of the Sanctuary doctrine of Heb.9:24,25!
Do you mind explaining a little clearer?
I don't know what he's saying.. but I do know you can't get from 457 B.C. in the spring.. to 1844 in the fall..( with 2300!! )..A ten-year-old kid could know this is a Cult!
Only those have a poor grammar and a poor comprehension, will speak negatively to Ellen G White's writings. Because they can't understand what she was saying.
Such a mess of a false doctrine.
Matthew 25:10
[10]And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and THE DOOR WAS SHUT.
The Just SHALL live by faith and the law is NOT of faith
It's non - biblical. It's the "other" gospel we should be aware of and not be bewitched by it.
Matthew 25:10
[10]And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and THE DOOR WAS SHUT.
Why are they looking for explanation when Jésus Christ Saïd only God knows when be his 2 coming
Thé bible Said no one should add on to the word of God
EW doctrine is false your religion started with a liar HW should have repent of her sin instead looking for answers if she was humble women "only thé father knows thé 2 coming not man ni woman "
God never change his words
? Who has told you that the Seventh-Day Adventists ever tried, or are trying to set a date for the Second Coming? Some of the people who established the Seventh-Day Adventist Church in 1863 were (as very young people) part of what was called the Millerite Movement and they were very disappointed in 1844 ( as were people of many Denominations) when the event that William Miller was expecting was not the Second Comming. The Seventh-Day Adventists have never made any predictions about the date for the Second Coming of Jesus. This is not to say that the Seventh-Day Adventists do not believe in the imminent return of Jesus as described in the Bible. You say "God never change his words" -- Are you familiar with the story of Jonah?
@@sjepson100 thanks for your explanation
I have read your adventiste Book given to me by a Pastor of thé adventiste church written by HW
Thé great disappointment IS History
HW had believed ithat Christ Will returned 1844 and then she went to Daniel 8 to give more explanation i go to thé adventiste church i done believe in HW writing
HW prophécies are false even in Daniel
We done follow a dénomination but Christ and thé whole bible it was nice sharing with you hâve a nice day
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The basic problem regarding 1844 as everybody knows, were Adventist pioneers who had no knowledge of Bible languages misinterpreting Daniel 8 :14. The word for Day in the original lanuage meaning a prophetic year was not used in that verse. Desmond Ford pointed this out in his PhD thesis in the 1970s.
Playing word games with the Bible is juvenile, regardless of the height of education attained. With that mindset the scribes and Pharisees rejected Christ, "can anything good come out of Nazareth?" Same with the apostles, "just fishermen, what do they know about the Law of Moses or the prophets?" Same with Amos, "just a shepherd, what does he know compared to the prophets in the kings court?" Desmond Ford put the Holy Place in the courtyard, his PhDs did little to help him sort out the planest facts of Scripture. Ford did nothing original, he merely copied A.F. Balinger.
@finalatonement3427 I am well aware Ford was not the first person to point out that the Investigative Judgment is not a Biblical doctrine. Before Ford the same thing was pointed out in the 1950s. Whether Ford copied the other chap isn't the most important thing, but whether both Ford and the other chap's conclusions are correct.
As for "word games" you are just trying to downplay the error the pioneers made due to their inability to read the Bible in the original languages. Even Adventist theology students have to learn Bible languages such as Koine Greek and Aramaic as part of their degree at Newbold/ Andrews University. So you're just being dishonest making out the full meaning of a translated document can be preserved in English. Anybody who has studied languages at high school knows that isn't true. William Miller only knew English.
Should shut the door on Ellen white.
Why? What’s wrong with her?
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She had shut millions out of heaven. Some examples: Thomas Paine, Napoleon, some brilliant Adventist pioneers and many lay men
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No she did not. She is unable to shut anyone out of heaven, no matter who she is. But if you research, you will see that she abandonded the shut door doctrine you are referring to and neither did it originate with her.
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A prophet of convenience. Why was God not guiding her into truth if he had chosen her? What about Thomas Paine and Napoleon?
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She was not a prophet of convenience. God did guide her to truth. She was taught that shut door doctrine from william miller before she started having visions. When she started having visions in late 1844, God showed her different light on the subject. She then changed her stance. She wrote about it, you should check it out. So she most certainly allowed God to guide her.
What about napoleon and Thomas Paine?
See Romans 11:23
There is always going to be people against people that do not believe the same. Thats why there is so many different beliefs and religions. All cant be right. Jesus had 1. He did will of his father. Jesus says do his commandments and have testimony of him
The good news is that before Yehovahs judgment fall upon humankind there will be only one Truth. And Yehovah will show us as he promised in Jeremiah 16.
Gentiles will acknowledge that they have inherited nothing but lies. For this reason the Church of Laodicea is called to buy ointment,refined gold and white reignment from Yeshua to cover her nakedness. Revelation 3:14-22
And further on in Revelation 18:4 the call to Yehovahs people is to "Come out of her(Babylon)my people"
That warning wouldn't be given to any church or denomination if they had the true testimony of Yeshua or if they were keeping Yehovahs commandments as instructed in the Torah.
It has been a corrupted version the many churches have been following including the Adventist religion.
It is hard to assimilate , hard to accept and it's hard to leave behind long held traditions and teachings. Yet it is time to seek Truth as Yehovah and Yeshua has given truth or we will be found wanting.
You can keep trying to clean up your prophetess's embarrassing record of false visions but the facts are there for all to see.
In her First Vision she stated it clearly enough.
"It was just as impossible for them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another.” (See also A Word to the “Little Flock,” p. 14.) "
No matter how she or you try to spin it, she clearly said there that those Adventists who denied the 1844 move and all the rest of the world were lost without a chance of salvation.
She believed in the Shut Door doctrine as she has admitted but she lied when she said she had never taught as a vision from God. No wonder that passage was later deleted from her accounts of the First Vision.
She was a liar and a heretic.
SDA have different doctrine as well
William Miller must have felt very slighted by those who did not accept his calculations. But for him to come up with a pronouncement that God no longer had mercy on those who rejected his 1844 message is simply nothing more than pure spite.
What is more disturbing is for Ellen White to have a reinterpretation of this very vengeful & hateful doctrine (via a convenient vision). Not only is this distasteful but it is entirely suspect and dangerous to try and build upon a false and incorrect belief. To construct a theology based upon such an angry foundation can only reenforce an attitude of severe division. Hence we have a denomination that is hostile to other Christians to this very day.
There is no good that can come out of taking someone's very slighted attitude, and attempt to reimagine it into something else. Why go down that road to begin with?
The Adventists have built their whole denomination on being slighted.
Your argument is similar to the Jews getting angry at the apostles for receiving the blame for the crucifixion of Christ. No doubt the Jews felt the disciples were building their movement on feelings of slight due to the failed expectations from Christ to crush their enemies.
@@finalatonement1844 You have an interesting moniker. Do you believe that the atonement for sins was not completed?
You're giving them way too much credit!! these people are not Christian !!and they never will be !!( this is a cult)!!!!!!( they said Jesus Christ is the (devi)l in investigative judgment.)!!!! The second Goat of Leviticus 16:10...( who is on the cross in 1st Peter 2:24)!!!( and He says Isaiah 43 Verse 25 happened right then!!! and they say that doesn't happen! Which is (blaspheming the holy spirit )they have nothing!
Stop the cognitive dissonance and stop trying to defend this false prophet!
I think it is to easy to be mean to each other on social media. all turns out not to be discussions at times
its ok. Sometimes people say things as a matter of testing out their own ideas. I do :)
@lindaschipansky4429 What's great about social media (like RUclips), is that it gets the discussions out of the echo-chamber of a denomination and into the public format where such ideas and concepts can be examined and challenged if necessary. Often the people sitting in the pews have no idea that there are opposing views, many of which have merit.
@@Nuteena_Haystack Does make sense
@@sjepson100 Liked "its ok. Sometimes people say things as a matter of testing out their own ideas. I do :)"
I agree. I do as well.
You can bounce your ideas off of others online who may have time to thoughtfully respond. This makes one better prepared for actual one-on-one conversation where emotions can sometimes run high. Airing opinions online first can make one more tactful when approaching others in personal conversation.
PLEASE l beg you to get on your knees in the privacy of your room and tell the LORD you WANT, for the good of your soul, to know that this woman was a false prophet
If you refute this give me the scriptures to prove me wrong.
to believe that Jesus entered the most holy place in 1844 is not true Jesus entered from he returns to heaven why they made so many mistake its because they try to link the earthly sanctuary Jesus was not of that order if the people rejected that doctrine in 1844 because it was false so it wasn't truth
A prophet??
Who or What is the Seventh Day Church of Revelation?
We are primarily comprised of Seventh-day Adventists (former) Who are reviving the platform of truth that the pioneers stood upon during the first 50 years of their experience. The Conference SDA Church has been stepping off of that platform plank by plank since the Lord's Messenger died in 1915.
Seventh-day church of revelation? I'm confused! Seriously confused! I have never heard of this shirt is it the same as the Seventh Day Adventist Church or is this a different Church using the ideas of The Seventh-Day Adventist Church an Ellen G white? Because not everyone believes the same and if this is a different Church this makes it seem as though this new church must have a different view on something so they broke off from the actual Seventh-day Adventist Church. I say this because there is a church that a Sunday Pastor in Disguise came in and changed the name of the church from Seventh-day Adventist Church to Simply Adventist Church, which denotes that they must have a different view in some or another from the way then the Seventh-day Adventist Church fundamentals are and now this pastor is at a Sunday keeping church. Does someone know the answer? Please tell me if you can please!?!
We hold to all of the fundamental principles believed during Ellen White's lifetime.
Is this an anti-trinitarian group?
Doesn't matter !!(they don't have Jesus of the Bible)!! they use the name Jesus)!!! Who's the Jehovah's witnesses do the same thing!! SDA Jesus (does not forgive sins)!!! Ellen says that herself!! in the investigative judgment !!if you (fully understand what she's saying!)!!!!
@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelation . Ok, sure, but are you, or are you not a part of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, or are you a separate church with a similar name? This was my long-winded question
@JamieElison are you speaking about this SDA of Revelation or the actual Seventh-day Adventist Church? If you're talking about the worldwide Seventh-day Adventist Church, then this is incorrect. Plus, Ellen said that if there's something that you disagree with her or have a problem with something she's said, then she says go to the Bible. She says that the Bible is the first and only source that matters and is the only foundation of living a life with Christ, through Christ, and as Christ did, that is what a Christian is and should be.
What are you saying that everyone who reject that' doctrine in that time was lost you said it was God that gave them that llight and it turned our it was fals so it couldn't be God in the beginning thay reveal it to them in Hebrew nine it stated Jesus entered immediately he enters heaven if it is according to the livitical order we are wasting time the vail was remove when he died on the cross no partisan any more straight into the holey place
While we are alive and on this earth there is salvatiom to all who repent from their sins and give their lives to the Lord Jesus. Nothing can be added or taken away from the word of God. On the cross the Lord said It is Finished! God spoke to us through prophets before Jesus came but since then He speaks through His Spirit, the Holy Spirit that He sent, the comforter, the spirit of truth. Anything preached contrary to this is not biblical.
Have you seen the conflict between the Bible and her conflict series . many opposite writing to the Bible.1 kings6:31 doors are for entering the Most Holy Place of the Temple no vail, the bails are only in the tabernacle. Patriots and Prophets PG 354 (appendix 6 note ) she says that the individual sin offering blood is brought into the Holy and sprinkled before the Most Holy Place. But the Bible says Leviticus 4 : 22-35 says no individuals sin offerings blood enters into the Holy Place
The problem is considerably more complicated than what EGW believed. For you to take Hebrews 6 completely out of context is bogus. However, to impute a shut door impossibility for salvation to many 1000's who came to disregard 1844 as a non event, is the epitome of self-righteous judgement.
Do you realize the enormity of this kind of conclusion. A small group of a few thousand people are making this awful life long pronouncement just because others failed to believe or understand what was a huge predictive error in the first place. What NONSENSE!
The height of arrogance here is based on the vision of one man, Edson, who had a variety of strange life long beliefs which caused a schism between him and the SDA church. Does anyone not see the irony of this as he was a part of the group involved in the shut door pronouncement?? Likewise for others in the same way. The pioneers were not exactly the holy wonderful Christians the Church attempts to portray. Yet they had the audacity to condemn others to eternal hell in a shut door pronouncement.
The idea that spending all night in prayer is the key to this revelation is again nonsense. How do we know that that many of the 1000's who were also disappointed did not spend many hours in prayer, in the end, fully believing that date setting was entirely wrong which it WAS!
The Lacombe SDA church used to have a basement library of some of the oldest Adventist publications. Many of the articles are self-righteous rants about the errors of their counterparts. James White actively condemned a couple for getting married placing them in danger of judgement. About a year later, he married and managed to generate a family in less than a year of marriage.
What is far more reasonable is that this small group simply were wrong about the shut door and sought out ways to save face. Time slowly erased the problem. The so called SDA pioneers were not the holy wonderful Christians that we have perhaps been led to believe.
Closing in on 200 years now, Adventism is still without peer in understanding the great controversy. EGW has been both a help and a problem. For most of its history Adventist practiced as a cult. Now it seems that its very existence is threatened by liberal progressives. Give the history of the Israel, this should hardly be a surprise. If we believe in God, then we also necessarily believe He is in control.
Ellen white was the founder of your faith and she was a woman. Is that biblical according to the teachings in the New Testament? This must be a different faith because the true faith was there before. The founder of the true faith was Jesus and He taught it to His disciples who were then called Church of God brethren then later nicknamed christians in mockery by people in Antioch. So the true faith is found in the church of God which was not founded by a human being but Jesus the Son of God who is also God or everlasting Father as found in Isaiah 9:6
Ellen White was one person and while she contributed greatly to the early church she was not alone. Read the Great Controversy or study to understand what the "Great Disappointment" of 1844 was. Simply stating Ellen White started the SDA church is inaccurate. As a former Adventist I have no problem saying they have the truth. What they have done is allowed the LGBTQ+ community to hold positions of office inside the church and have accepted the false god of the trinity. That is why so many SDAs are coming out of the church.
Alright .now. Faith without works is a dead faith. We are saved neither by faith or works , we are saved by grace. Faith is the means to Gods grace. Works of obedience is the result of Gods grace. Works demonstrate we have been saved by grace through faith. Christs blood only can save us but the conditions for Jesus to save us are obedience to the Law otherwisebthe whole world would be saved which is not what Jessus taught.
Why do you contradict Scriptures? Yeshua didn't put any conditions for a believer to be saved other than believing in him.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Obedience to the laws isn't a condition to be saved. It is as a consequence of Your LOVE for him!
John 14: 15 If you love me, keep my commandments.
The matter that the whole world won't be saved isn't because they can't be saved but because those who will be lost "chose" to be lost. Free will, free choice.
Faith according to Scriptures
Hebrews 11: 1Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2For by it the people of old received their commendation. 3By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.
4By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks. 5By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God. 6And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. 7By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
The whole of Hebrews11 is about Faith
Faith is Believing
If we have Faith(believe)in Yehovahs son and his sacrifice for our sins ,we are saved.
We will naturally find out from scriptures what it is that pleases him. And we will start doing those things. We will have trouble doing some things yet this doesn't mean we will be in peril of losing our salvation. As long as we keep on knowing or acknowledging that we are weak and that only through him are we made strong. Only through him are we clothed in perfection.
A believer always is on the path of transformation of his character.
How come you never used this quote
Here is another vision in which she teaches the horrible doctrine of the shut door in its very worst form, that is that after 1844 not one ray of light comes Jesus to the wicked but they are all turned over to the devil to whom they now pray instead of to God. After Jesus left the holy place she says: “ I did not see one ray of light pass from Jesus to the careless multitude after he arose and they were left in perfect darkness. . . . Satan appeared to be by the throne trying to carry on the work of God. I saw them look up to the throne and pray, Father give us thy spirit; then Satan would breathe upon them an unholy influ¬ ence.”-Early Writings, pp. 46, 47. Not one ray of light has come to sinners since 1844 but all are left to the Devil! What is the use of their denying that she taught this doctrine ? She certainly did and she knows it. This fact and the bold denial of it now, brand her as a false teacher.
@andrewmclean5694 Excellent point. 👍
First thing is that the statement you quoted is not on page 46-47. Makes me wonder if you even read it past what you wanted to read.
What exactly do you think the shut door doctrine is?
Does Adventist hold to the belief or doctrine that the nation of Israel has no part in end time prophecy?
Or
God's people (Israel) has been rejected by God as a special people because they rejected (Yeshua)Jesus?
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We hold that israel plays no part in the end times.
The actual nation of Israel is no longer a special people to God. They lost that status when they rejected Jesus. But the Jews as individuals were not rejected by God.
@@justamessenger4577 hmm. So then you hold that Ezekiel 38-39 is not going to be fulfilled? Or how about Zechariah 12 -14 ? Or Jeremiah 30 which speaks about Israel understanding in the Later days.
Jeremiah 30:the fierce anger of the LORD will not turn back
until he has executed and accomplished
the intentions of his mind.
In the latter days you will understand this.
Or of the restoration of Israel spoken of in Jeremiah 16?
Oh, by the way read verse 19- 21 which is for us Gentiles or believers in Yeshua (Jesus) in these last days. Your replacement Theology is not built upon the Scriptures!
Read Romans 11
I was brought to my knees (humbled) to get to the point where I asked the Lord to teach me what his Truth is. That which my church has held as absolute Truth or remnant church theology crumbled. The only thing left standing was the commandment to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. For once in my life I can really understand Yeshuas Sacrifice and how all the Prophecies unfold proving the Scriptures and how the ones still not fulfilled will when Yehovahs appointed time for it is due.
All those who love Yehovah and Yeshua will return to what Scriptures say and will do as Yehovah and Yeshua commands because we love him. His remnant won't be called Adventist or Catholic or by any other known denomination. The call to come out of Babylon is sounding loud and clear for all.
Shabbat Shalom brothers and Sisters
Are you using a changed bible. They will be taken out of the book of life for changing Gods word. It is written.
What is a “changed bible”?
Most of that doctrines are false,, stay in the bible read study Gods word, ., God be true every man is a liar, false doctrine comes from people that want to make a name for themselves, God is to be Glorified, not man, make Jesus the Lord ot your life, , ❤,
The same Spirit that inspired Moses, Daniel, John, Paul etc., inspired Ellen White.
@@statutesofthelordOH MY INDOCTRINATION IS REAL
@statutesofthelord well why did she deign the Trinity Holy Spirt is a real person , He is the third person of trinity, one minute she is praying to the Holy Spirit next she deigns Him
The Holy Spirit is the person you'll like to talk to, John 14 John15 and John 16 and 17 , He is the Spirit of truth
@@blessedwithoutmeasurmeasu, What do you mean by "deign"?
"To think worthy; think well of; think worthy of acceptance.
To grant or permit, as by condescension or favor.
To vouchsafe; condescend: with an infinitive for object. "
Ellen White always believed in and followed the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
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legalistic denomination and false prophets beware of the wolf
false preaching, just trying to justify wrong sda doctrine as well as judging other men's souls.
What???
@@djcraig111 When as the speaker says "EGW believed the false report of so n so" (not verbatim) but then goes on "her future visions" corrected that "misinterpretation", her "prophetic gift" becomes questionable.
I keep the Sabbath, know Rome is the great whore, try to obey commandments as Yashua taught, and pray that I will be raised at the 1st resurrection but after so many years of being cleansed of wrong doctrine, this one is also beginning to be revealed as false, The Most High will bring clearer knowledge but as of now, it's best to avoid these teachings
@tomislavtomislav4070 Thank you for engaging our channel and for watching the entire video. The point of the presentation was to provide a more accurate history and complete picture of when each event happened. EGW did not claim to get her first perspective of a "shut door" from God and I suppose that is my primary point. Thanks again for taking the time to get involved in this discussion.
@@djcraig111 Do like that EGW seemed to have a stance against the trinity doctrine and seems right often but have mostly heard others teach about her teachings so maybe that's where the problem is
@@tomislav4 We like her position on the personality of God also. Very important doctrine.
EGW visions before 1844, could be true, but those after 1844 are not true, this much i can say. i dont want to delve into all of Her visions. The bible says the after 2300 day prophesy the church period ended (william miller). Laodecia was the last church even though Adventist was registered after 1844. rev 2 & 3 says there ware 7 churches laodecia was the last church. And was cursed most vehementally, rev 2:17. Therefore no more visions from christ to men/women. No more Holy Spirit, all 7 were used up in the churches. And were taken back. Rev 3:20, behold I stand at the door and knock, if any man hear my voice and open the door, i will come in and sup with him. rev 4:5 .... there were 7 lamps burning.... which are the seven spirits of God. rev 5:6 .... stood a lam as it had been slain, having 7 horns and 7 eyes, which are the 7 spirits of God, sent into all the earth. the spirit of God cannot be after 1844, after the end of 7 churches. each church had a separate spirit of God. rev 2:7, to Ephesus, rev 2:11 to Smyrna, rev 2:17 to Pergamos, rev 2:29 let him hear what the spirit (singular to Thyatira), rev 3:6 to Sardis, rev 3:13 to Philadelphia, rev 3:22 to Laodecia.
i saw this video, bunch of bogus material. but one thing is sure, shut door. the door was shut at the flood, not just the door of ark. to the people of before the flood the door was shut. their salvation was not available to them. Just like in Eden, Adam and Eve and their descendants were not allowed back into Eden. At sin in eden, adam did not have any descendants. I am glad william miller, and others shared this view even for a second. While egw recanted william did not and He never became an advetist. Now I know why. Egw just brandished Her swords which was visions. All the leftover believers were superseded by EGW visions. In those days as people were grappling with the truth of christ second coming. even Joseph white was cowed by his wife like jezebel did
ahab. I will leave the shut door doctrine alone for now, but deal with the dynamics between the pioneers, and their ideas. I have this happen even now.
You have provided a very basic outline for one to insert every instance that you are wrong and prove you are a false doctrine believing people. A perfect example for the new testament church of a 😢perverted gospel. You actually did not provide one single scripture to support your beliefs nor justify Ellen as a true prophet of God. May The Lord rebuke you and have mercy on all of your souls. And show you Himself His true Gospel of salvation salvation in Jesus name. I come against all of the lying spirits of Satan and remove their tongues so that you all may receive the pure perfect sacrifice that provides you salvation that you can trust and no perversion of the word of God.
She is a false prophet. Woman should not be behind the pulpit either. Don’t change Gods word just for their new traditions. Salvation is NOT by works, should any man boast. It is free. Jessie’s did it all. Repent of sins, is not in the bible.
Talk about a absolute cult egw said black people were not human in shocking and embarrassing statements abd i can prove it
Pls send me your prove I need it.