It's always a pleasure reading your in-depth analysis and description regarding the games that you play. A reason why I keep coming back to your videos.
The bosses in a nutshell "Hey,do you want to see my pet rocks?" "Hey, can you hold my baby for a sec. I promise it's not a trap or anything?" *"ARISE MEGA ULTRA CHICKEN,ARISE!"*
Considering the "slightly aggressive" image Zun was building up for this game, the characters so far seem very docile. It's interesting to see a UFO-like system come back. I'm calling it now, the extra boss is gonna be behind the animal spirits just like Nue was behind the UFOs.
The first boss has a very grotesque background actually, don’t know if you’re ready to know it. Also, all three bosses are showing actual bloody - bloody as in real blood - wounds in their defeated portraits, which has never ever happened before in any Touhou release if I’m not mistaken.
@@tanjimmy125 If you already know about the mythological Ebisu then Eika's background isn't really shocking, but I can see where you're coming from. And I didn't even notice the blood before, but yeah, it's certainly there. I'm just hoping the full game isn't afraid to get a bit darker at this point.
@@RealPhantasm The full phrase from Zun's blog is "いつもよりダークで、けもの成分多くて、ちょっぴり攻撃的なシューティングゲームです", which means something like "It's a shooting game that's darker, more animalistic, and a little more aggresive than usual", so it's pretty clear he's not talking about the game's difficulty.
@@evanseifert8858 maybe both? Aggressive in characters thus in difficulty... Maybe the full game will speak more even there is a possibility of Kasen will appear in this game
I have to admit in Zun's last few games the bullet visibility is getting worse and worse. These super shots aren't really helping either. I could barely discern yellow bullets during the stage3 spellcard background when i had wolf active.
Exactly my thought when playing reimuwolf, it's really getting hard to discern between own shot and enemy bullets, especially around later stages I could imagine
not only stage 3, even during stage 2 boss battle, i can barely see any yellow bullets and the growing red bullets. my speculation is the blending/post-processing is troubled. i don't think ZUN will fix this 'til this time, Marisa Wolf doesn't have this problem because the missiles and the enemy bullets are not blending, but then again the attack range is not wide
I hope that ZUN isn't overdoing it with things or just game making. I am inclined to think he should try to flesh out newer characters before making more as the bulk of recent ones are in the shadow of the classics.
Don't forget that there's also print works. Recent characters (especially the important ones) have received plenty enough of content, While most old ones are barely used now.
I'm probably more hype in what the lore could be though, especially consider Kasen has brought Reimu into hell and tried to beat her up in Wild and Horned Hermit.
@david LMAO no th16 has one of the most profound story. Okina is one of the sage creating Gensoukyou and she represent all of those not accepted by the Japanese society. She started that incident to warn other youkai to not mess things up.
really like ZUN's artstyle in this one, he improved I think! (This doesn't mean that his drawings were shitty in the past, Sakuya from 2hou6 will always have the sexiest face.)
i got some serious ptsd when i saw those emblems acting like the ufo at touhou 12 xD Cons: >Music: little bit odd (its like old rpg music which i often forgot) but let see how it will go on the 3 other stages >Bullet visibility is getting worse xD (i often dies for that reason) Pros: >Unlike touhou 16. this one have some little difficult which is great >the emblem thingy is much better than UFO have xD. and yah..that thing offers a shield I'll try 1CC it but the i wish the bullet visibility will be fixed
I don't know if it's because i'm used to the old games OST, but from what i hear in the demo, the music is nice, but it isn't so appealing like in the older games, 16 didn't had any that stood out for me either, i don't know about y'all tho ...
it's probably the experimentation. ZUN is switching up instruments a lot, which means that it's either hit or miss. For example, I think this soundtrack is miles over what PCB has to offer.
@david well you can have your own opinion sure... But please dont show it too much... If you show it too much you might sound like a hater tbh and yea. Old school touhou fanboys do quite seems like they kinda hate newer games alot... Maybe because theyre either not used to the music style zun is making now, or they just hate it in general, or even they hate it because the gameplay suck or smth. To me, all of them are quite the same. If you ask me to rate the game one by one all of my rating will be the same overall, which is 7 or 8/10. Every game has its ups and downs. I dont have a favourite. If you say my favourite was any touhou game from 1-17. Thats true. I like all of them the same. Except touhou 7. Im meh and kinda hate towards touhou 7 but i wont lie thats one of the 8 ratings in the series for me. Because i am antimainstream. Touhou 7 is probably one of the more mainstream games. Cuz when they new people gets into touhou, the first they check out is always touhou 7. And the people who lacks knowledge of touhou usually only knows touhou 7.
@david *_bold of you to assume that there’s only guys in the 2hou community_* (I’m joking) But wow the 2hou community is actually full of guys *_I never knew_*
@@mielium5619 i think you ment touhou 6 since people know about more of that game because cirno's iq meiling's fanon self patchouli's mukyu's quote sakuya pad and dio jokes remilia hey mister and flandre's theme plus ronald mcdonalds and her psychotic fanon self and people saying she is the strongest even tho the fans who know touhou because ronald don't know the rest of the cast
I had instant flashbacks to UFO the moment that first spirit showed up on screen... I didn't really know what was going on half the time, but your analysis of the system helped a lot. Kinda curious what the different trophies you can earn are for, though. I got #1 and #11 after my first run through on Normal, but I don't know if I really did anything special to get them.
The jellyfish token actually requires you to not kill the spirits around Eika, but it works for the other two midbosses - staying up close for the 2nd and literally using otter hyper for the third. This system is actually way tamer and less abusable than HSiFS’ system, which basically enabled spamfests of releases at any given moment in the game. This game isn’t as generous on that matter and is actually considerably more restrictive on resources.
This makes me wonder, will ZUN ever make any Touhou game outside of Japan, or without japanese/japanized folklore? It would be interesting if he tried something different
Albert FC Nah, we already have Seihou for that. And since Seihou might be getting a revival we may see more of that, but Touhou probably won’t ever stray too far from the Japanese theme.
Scharlach927 Well, it may be kind of a stretch, but Vivit 99 came out recently. While it may have been just a random little thing that wasn’t too long, it was the first Seihou game we’ve had in like 11 years. To me that says we may get more, but I’m not sure obviously.
@@kalecgos1 I'm sorry to disappoint you but it's not... Wakasagihime is a ningyo, and Sekibanki isn't certainly a dullahan, but a nukekubi (long-neck yokai who has lost the neck)
i cant believe how horrible stage 3 is like i want to hope zun just slapped it together because his game wasnt done enough yet for a demo but ... like has he ever redone demo content to such a great extent ? i know doremy was retooled for the full release a bit in lolk but i just idk these stages arent doing it for me the bosses are fine tho even tho stage 2 boss feels like extra sukuna spells with a remixed version of cursed torrential rain thrown in
look at the description, but basically, if you have three of the same goast or whatever and you activate a roar (you activate a roar by getting your bar at the bottomleft to full) you do a hyper. all the hypers include= wolf= powered up focus shot otter= gives you three otters that fly around you, erasing bullets eagle= powered up unfocused shot
So I can only guess that Perfect Lunatic in this game will be no Roar Break/Hyper (As in getting 3 of a kind when it comes to spirits), but unlike UFO, you actually get to collect resources... Like that matters anyways, though.
Aw shit, here we go again. Worst place in the world. Gensokyo Undefined Furry Object. Reimu ain't exterminated fairies in two years, but the Zunyas won't give a shit.
ZUN had two options: Finish Youmu's facial expressions, or finish stage 3. Let's all accept the sacrifice that was made.
Being fair, there's still time to change Stage 3, but then again he didn't change HSiFS Stage 1-3.
@Supreme Xenon i think he is talking about the bad design on stage 3 not on Youmu`s face.
It's always a pleasure reading your in-depth analysis and description regarding the games that you play. A reason why I keep coming back to your videos.
I remember seeing you in the LoLK and HSiFS demo videos too, Jaimers is just too good at playing and reviewing these games.
The bosses in a nutshell
"Hey,do you want to see my pet rocks?"
"Hey, can you hold my baby for a sec. I promise it's not a trap or anything?"
*"ARISE MEGA ULTRA CHICKEN,ARISE!"*
But are they Wise from their Grave?
Considering the "slightly aggressive" image Zun was building up for this game, the characters so far seem very docile.
It's interesting to see a UFO-like system come back. I'm calling it now, the extra boss is gonna be behind the animal spirits just like Nue was behind the UFOs.
I believe what ZUN means by "slightly aggressive" is that the game is slightly harder, not the cast's having a violent personality themselves.
The first boss has a very grotesque background actually, don’t know if you’re ready to know it. Also, all three bosses are showing actual bloody - bloody as in real blood - wounds in their defeated portraits, which has never ever happened before in any Touhou release if I’m not mistaken.
@@tanjimmy125 If you already know about the mythological Ebisu then Eika's background isn't really shocking, but I can see where you're coming from. And I didn't even notice the blood before, but yeah, it's certainly there. I'm just hoping the full game isn't afraid to get a bit darker at this point.
@@RealPhantasm The full phrase from Zun's blog is "いつもよりダークで、けもの成分多くて、ちょっぴり攻撃的なシューティングゲームです", which means something like "It's a shooting game that's darker, more animalistic, and a little more aggresive than usual", so it's pretty clear he's not talking about the game's difficulty.
@@evanseifert8858 maybe both? Aggressive in characters thus in difficulty... Maybe the full game will speak more even there is a possibility of Kasen will appear in this game
The artists gonna have a field day with that second boss, i can tell.
I guess you forgot ZUN did the artwok by himself
Bold of you to assume they already haven't.
The stage 3 boss is literaly the god of chickens.
The memes write themselves at this point.
@Terios
He never said otherwise
@@legeul i thought it was gengetsu
I have to admit in Zun's last few games the bullet visibility is getting worse and worse. These super shots aren't really helping either. I could barely discern yellow bullets during the stage3 spellcard background when i had wolf active.
The old PC-98 and Shuuzou Gyoku times.
Exactly my thought when playing reimuwolf, it's really getting hard to discern between own shot and enemy bullets, especially around later stages I could imagine
Try dodging any yellow or white bullets with Marisa Eagle Hyper. That's the worst thing that I found on this demo.
not only stage 3, even during stage 2 boss battle, i can barely see any yellow bullets and the growing red bullets. my speculation is the blending/post-processing is troubled. i don't think ZUN will fix this
'til this time, Marisa Wolf doesn't have this problem because the missiles and the enemy bullets are not blending, but then again the attack range is not wide
@@Sumire973 AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Thanks for your analysis and thoughts on thr demo. Always a pleasure to read.
game is looking mighty fine so far tbh
I love 2hu gameplays, its fun to look how people deal with the patterns.
Nice run m8.
I hope that ZUN isn't overdoing it with things or just game making. I am inclined to think he should try to flesh out newer characters before making more as the bulk of recent ones are in the shadow of the classics.
@Supreme Xenon yeah. It would be agood opportunity to include komachi since its in the sanzu river.
Don't forget that there's also print works. Recent characters (especially the important ones) have received plenty enough of content, While most old ones are barely used now.
@Supreme Xenon I know, I saw the title of the stage and thought "Finally we get to see Komachi again... Oh... That's... not Komachi... Awww!"
Imagine zun make male character to fight reimu as final boss.
@@hellatze Touhou 12 was supposed to have Myouren Hijiri (Byakuren's brother) as the final boss but zun thought it was weird,
I played the whole thing, and i liked it a lot, but, i really missed some midboss spells. I didn't see a single one.
I can´t speak from a lunatic perspective but normal mode felt very easy to me. And I´m extremely rusty.
The demo is always like that. On th16 the challenge on the last 3 stages were so much bigger than expected because of the demo.
I agree, something about this game feels quite easy. I was kind of expecting normal mode to be like SA difficulty.
I'm probably more hype in what the lore could be though, especially consider Kasen has brought Reimu into hell and tried to beat her up in Wild and Horned Hermit.
David Li *Her Arm
@@diddlif Kasen's arm brought her consciousness to hell. Kasen herself brought Reimu's body to hell.
ventusse You seem to be further ahead of me. Where are you reading the manga?
@david LMAO no th16 has one of the most profound story. Okina is one of the sage creating Gensoukyou and she represent all of those not accepted by the Japanese society. She started that incident to warn other youkai to not mess things up.
as always, good video.
Is it the new Gensokyo Fried Chicken?
really like ZUN's artstyle in this one, he improved I think! (This doesn't mean that his drawings were shitty in the past, Sakuya from 2hou6 will always have the sexiest face.)
She had hot stick legs back then too.
Haylez hahahah lol I was actually playing 2hou6 when i saw this
Reimu is back! Defeat your creatures!
Oh god UFO-style system
i got some serious ptsd when i saw those emblems acting like the ufo at touhou 12 xD
Cons:
>Music: little bit odd (its like old rpg music which i often forgot) but let see how it will go on the 3 other stages
>Bullet visibility is getting worse xD (i often dies for that reason)
Pros:
>Unlike touhou 16. this one have some little difficult which is great
>the emblem thingy is much better than UFO have xD. and yah..that thing offers a shield
I'll try 1CC it but the i wish the bullet visibility will be fixed
The hype is real
9:00 I HEARBY ACCUSE KUTAKA OF STEALING YUYUKO'S FIRST NON-SPELL ATTACK
Looks more like Byakuren's first spell card to me
oh yea, collect the widegts in proper order.... I so loved UFO.... :(
So, did you find the game easier than the last ones ? Imo, this one feels easier than the previous demos.
At the description, he said that the game "feels a bit on the harder side."
@@GayBrain Yeah, you said it but I was also wondering if he find the demo easier than TD and DDC.
I'm not including LoLK for obvious reasons.
@@Nier2J I don't play much danmaku games so yeah I'm gonna have to leave Jaime to answer that question
I drew more comparisons with Gemini Wing tbh
zombie goasts leave this place
i just wait the
toho eurobeat
to came out
I don't know if it's because i'm used to the old games OST, but from what i hear in the demo, the music is nice, but it isn't so appealing like in the older games, 16 didn't had any that stood out for me either, i don't know about y'all tho ...
it's probably the experimentation. ZUN is switching up instruments a lot, which means that it's either hit or miss. For example, I think this soundtrack is miles over what PCB has to offer.
Although the music DID recycle some instruments, ex: 2nd boss uses touhou 12 trumpets/sax. The 3rd boss feels familiar idk from which touhou game.
@david well you can have your own opinion sure... But please dont show it too much... If you show it too much you might sound like a hater tbh
and yea. Old school touhou fanboys do quite seems like they kinda hate newer games alot... Maybe because theyre either not used to the music style zun is making now, or they just hate it in general, or even they hate it because the gameplay suck or smth. To me, all of them are quite the same. If you ask me to rate the game one by one all of my rating will be the same overall, which is 7 or 8/10. Every game has its ups and downs. I dont have a favourite. If you say my favourite was any touhou game from 1-17. Thats true. I like all of them the same. Except touhou 7. Im meh and kinda hate towards touhou 7 but i wont lie thats one of the 8 ratings in the series for me. Because i am antimainstream. Touhou 7 is probably one of the more mainstream games. Cuz when they new people gets into touhou, the first they check out is always touhou 7. And the people who lacks knowledge of touhou usually only knows touhou 7.
@david *_bold of you to assume that there’s only guys in the 2hou community_*
(I’m joking)
But wow the 2hou community is actually full of guys
*_I never knew_*
@@mielium5619 i think you ment touhou 6 since people know about more of that game because cirno's iq meiling's fanon self patchouli's mukyu's quote sakuya pad and dio jokes remilia hey mister and flandre's theme plus ronald mcdonalds and her psychotic fanon self and people saying she is the strongest even tho the fans who know touhou because ronald don't know the rest of the cast
I had instant flashbacks to UFO the moment that first spirit showed up on screen... I didn't really know what was going on half the time, but your analysis of the system helped a lot. Kinda curious what the different trophies you can earn are for, though. I got #1 and #11 after my first run through on Normal, but I don't know if I really did anything special to get them.
scoring system is bad, spam otter, bomb and clear special condition for jellyfish, goat, chicken for extra item ( +1 extra life )
The jellyfish token actually requires you to not kill the spirits around Eika, but it works for the other two midbosses - staying up close for the 2nd and literally using otter hyper for the third.
This system is actually way tamer and less abusable than HSiFS’ system, which basically enabled spamfests of releases at any given moment in the game. This game isn’t as generous on that matter and is actually considerably more restrictive on resources.
New ufo guys
Chicken Attack!
Jellyfish waifu
Cow waifu
And now,
*C H I C K E N W A I F U*
5:56 THICC danmaku
would you smash or pass ?
@@samcheer_7711 I would graze and bomb.
TBH the stage 3 boss theme is cool
This makes me wonder, will ZUN ever make any Touhou game outside of Japan, or without japanese/japanized folklore? It would be interesting if he tried something different
Albert FC Nah, we already have Seihou for that. And since Seihou might be getting a revival we may see more of that, but Touhou probably won’t ever stray too far from the Japanese theme.
The first half of DDC is western yokai
Scharlach927 Well, it may be kind of a stretch, but Vivit 99 came out recently. While it may have been just a random little thing that wasn’t too long, it was the first Seihou game we’ve had in like 11 years. To me that says we may get more, but I’m not sure obviously.
@@kalecgos1 I'm sorry to disappoint you but it's not... Wakasagihime is a ningyo, and Sekibanki isn't certainly a dullahan, but a nukekubi (long-neck yokai who has lost the neck)
**hack** **cough** touhou 6
Is it just me or the hit box got smaller ?
i cant believe how horrible stage 3 is
like i want to hope zun just slapped it together because his game wasnt done enough yet for a demo but ... like has he ever redone demo content to such a great extent ? i know doremy was retooled for the full release a bit in lolk but i just idk
these stages arent doing it for me
the bosses are fine tho
even tho stage 2 boss feels like extra sukuna spells with a remixed version of cursed torrential rain thrown in
The stage doesnt bother me so much although it really is repetitive. But that non spells on the 3rd boss...
@@Blaze9able that doesn't really matter though. At the very least, it's not as uncreative as Nemuno back in HSiFS.
the most famous time he redid demo content was for touhou 7 and that's it
not even eosd because there's no public copy of the earliest demos
what's the new mechanics in th17?
I see it now... In my minds eye... KASEN WILL APPEAR.
*edit: In, not I.
*edit 2: Kasen. there's no I.
can somebody explain me how the new ghost system works?
look at the description, but basically, if you have three of the same goast or whatever and you activate a roar (you activate a roar by getting your bar at the bottomleft to full) you do a hyper. all the hypers include=
wolf= powered up focus shot
otter= gives you three otters that fly around you, erasing bullets
eagle= powered up unfocused shot
@@user-nz2ec1js3r i see thank you
Wait... first stage is graveyard.
Stage 3 constantly refers to Enma, is Shikieiki going to make an appearance as a stage 4/5 boss?
@Scharlach927 I am sure ZUN do not like repeating characters who aren't protagonists,so there might be an new enma instead.
Have you tried Devil Engine?
What key do you press to slow down
Shift
Where does one get these demo(es)? I love touhou.
Google "Touhou Wily Beast and Weakest Creature download", it's not that hard.
just search "Moriyashrine" first result.
Steam
Wolf Reimu too strong
now do it Marisa™
Actually wolves shot types are strong as hell if you play stuff like normal (aka shifting 24/7) since it makes Focused shot HELLA strong.
So I can only guess that Perfect Lunatic in this game will be no Roar Break/Hyper (As in getting 3 of a kind when it comes to spirits), but unlike UFO, you actually get to collect resources...
Like that matters anyways, though.
That stage 3 is a big yikes from me
Aw shit, here we go again.
Worst place in the world.
Gensokyo Undefined Furry Object.
Reimu ain't exterminated fairies in two years,
but the Zunyas won't give a shit.
Wb ? Wc ?
LolK
You should of used Marissa...
Why would I comment on an overly difficult game?
*Because God told me to*
Challenge: Get a perfect 1CC in any Touhou game on Lunatic Mode, without using any bombs or pressing Shift at all
MetalMargatroid so you want a no-focus LNN... I think one’s been done for PCB but I’m not sure.
I think he did nofocus on IN with all characters(?) at least I remember a nofocus youmu run
TouhOwO