Group B Rally car: Has no grip, drifts every turn, has insane amounts of horsepower Spectators: Let's try to touch the cars as they pass in front of us...
In 1955 and up until the early-80's, there was no tiebreaker in place for the championship had it finished level. Richie Ginther and Graham Hill actually share the 1963 runner-up position. Dropped races would have got Ginther the position, while countback (2 wins to none) would have given it to Hill. So a tie sounds like the period-correct solution.
@@SchafferPGabor Oh whoops, I was trying to reply to someone else's comment who had come up with their own system, ha! I think you are probably right that they just didn't have a tie-breaker rule. Kind of funny though!
Wow what a finish, I think technically Fangio takes it on countback which is incredible! That's never happened in F1 history. Great series! Can't wait to see what's next on that channel, maybe another 60s series?
You are the moral winner since I had so much fun watching all the serie in a couple days, keeping me on my tiptoes the last 3 races! I was really cheering for you :D
Tremendous effort - I am sure post race the Italian Race officials could find something wrong with the German car to promote the Prancing Horse to a championship... but would the Turin/Milan rivalry prevent such shenanigans? Everyone wins!
Amazing finale. Took me almost 2 hours to watch, it was so gripping i didn't want to miss a second. Those poor Axelsons always seemed to be driving injured cars
Great race. Would have gone with Montjuic but Turin was really good tbh. About the championship, the tiebreaker gives Fangio the title (both with third places as well as he getting a win before you); that being said, both for entertainment purposes as well as bc of Turin actually not being a points-paying race in 1955 there could be a tiebreaker race Cars-style. Le Mans would be kinda fitting considering how much impact the Le Mans disaster had in the '55 racing scene and beyond, but I'd go with the Pau Grand Prix, which also a non point-paying race that year. Either way, great ending to a great series. Thanks for doing it, and excited to see what's next
Brutal race bravely mastered! If only you would have had a better starting position..! All in all a suberb 1955 season by Richy Axelson!! And of course but still you GOT it!! It's a unbeliavable story with a unbeliavable END!!!! 😀😀👍👍👍👍
Just to point out, Montjuich dates back to 1933. The German teams were on the entry for the 1935-36 Penya Rhin Grands Prix. Nuvolari won the 1936 race in his Alfa Romeo 12C-36. Of course, the Spanish Civil War put paid to any further racing in the country for a while later that year. From other diagrams I can find, the track map looks about right. I wouldn't mind seeing a mod for the 1935 version of this circuit. Gordini has a hard "G" at the beginning, and seeing as blue is the official racing color of France, yes, they are French. I thought they were anyway, but that's good confirmation. It's rather like how Bugatti has an Italian name, but is in fact French. It's likely that both originate in southeast France, near to Italy. I will agree that I think Montjuich would have been trickier, especially the first sector with that succession of slow corners coming down the hill. I definitely think the actual, planned finale at Pedralbes would have suited you and the car better. You have fewer significant corners and multiple, long straights.
Gordini founder Amedeé Gordini is actually Italian, born Amedeo Gordini, worked as an apprentice to the Maserati brothers way back when they're still working in Isotta Fraschini. Ettore Bugatti is also an Italian, born in Milan. So, those constructors, while racing for France, had Italian roots. And to top it all off, the French Talbot-Lago team, which is active in the inaugural F1 World Championship season in 1950 (the works team closed in 1950 but the cars were still raced in 1951 by private drivers) is run at that time by, another Italian, a Venetian named Antonio (Anthony) Lago, who is the source of the second name (the firm is initially just named Talbot until Lago bought it in the 1930s).
@@jcgabriel1569 I could have been clearer about origins, but figured an Italian family from an Italian name could be inferred. I wonder then where the Maserati brothers got the mechanical knowledge to build a full car from. I know they designed what became the Type 26 for Diatto initially. It's odd the works Talbot team folded so soon after they'd notched up a Le Mans win. Though it seems the French makes found it especially difficult to adapt to competition after the War, and/or perhaps were unwilling to change some traditions that made things harder for themselves.
@@Villoresi The Maserati brothers used to work for Isotta-Fraschini, an early Italian carmaker which also made things like aircraft engines. They went to Diatto afterwards and then started their own designs when they left. After the war, a number of carmakers that produced high-end luxury cars found themselves in difficulty selling them postwar, and Talbot Lago is one. Postwar, Talbot Lago's range shares a good number of parts between them. Even the Grand Prix T26C racer used plenty of bits derived from their road cars, which shows the financial difficulties the company starts to suffer from.
@@jcgabriel1569 I think I had a bit of a brain fart there. I-F has a name somewhat similar to one of the high-end coachbuilders of the period, so I was thinking of bodywork and not full cars. Anyway, hopefully you've taken a look at the latest video on here. The 1923 season was in the middle of when the Maserati brothers were driving. I think that's about when they switched over to Diatto.
My suggestion: Since there is dispute over which 3rd places count, we can hold a tiebreaker race somewhere in the US, and every driver can participate. After all, the Indy 500 was a part of the championship in those days. If neither of you score points, then we run a race at Le Mans (the full course, if it is available, and the Bugatti circuit if not) as a tribute to Pierre Levegh and the people who died in his crash.
Amazing race! Thanks!! The best Championship I've seen in youtube! Hope to see more non championship races maybe with realistic grid setups, there's a few at srmz forum.
This was an extremely entertaining series. It may sound weird, but there were moments in this series that I found to be quite thrilling. Edge of the seat stuff. Bravo! Also this circuit, Parco del Valentino, which I didn't even know existed until today seems like an extremely fun and very pretty looking venue. It's quite impressive how well a lot of these GPL circuits are modelled considering the limitations of such an old game.
Again very enjoyable: the game play, the video quality and the commentary. Please let me make this humble suggestion: to make a vote and let your subs choose whatever they would like to watch next - f1 , can-am, Sports Cars...Cheers!
The whole time I was thinking "He's gonna get FL at this pace... so if it's level and they have level wins and counted 2nds... what happens?" I'm thinking you and Fangio go to a shootout at another period track that wasn't necessarily F1: Sebring, Le Mans, Willow Springs, etc.
From what I can see of the scoring system is that the fastest lap points are only awarded if you finish in the top ten. Also it looks like in a tie, it goes wins, fastest laps and then poles. I can't verify that yet. I am looking through a bunch of old formula one books written by Denis Jenkins
Thanks for the season, was very entertaining from first race to last! And as someone already mentioned, no tie-breakers in this period so you'll just have to cut the trophy in half :)
I do that granny shift on exit technique too. It makes throttling out of a turn more forgiving and allowing you to get back on the throttle earlier and more aggressively. You also get to get your Rpm's back into the powerband faster. (Works great in the wet as well)
Shame about the final race of the season, but you really tried your best. Pushed just a little bit too hard. Overall, very enjoyable LP! Thanks for sharing.
I remember you were talking about how you have a thrust master th8a. I have the same thing and I was wondering if you ever adjust the stiffness/tension on it.
@@GPLaps there’s a hole on the lower left side with a screw inside where you can stick a flat head screwdriver and if you turn it right, the shifter has more resistance.
I live a few blocks from Parco Valentino, in fact I'll be going for a run there at luchtime. I might have a go at making a version of this track for Assetto Corsa (I like driving in VR too much) I think the race in 55 was on a shorter version of the circuit, but this one is better
Great drive, really fine margins! I think you could have won without the damage, being only +4 even after the first hay bale incident! Look forward to the next series
Awesome racing, awesome season. Really enjoyed it. So heartbreaking at the end after those kerb taps! I don't even want to guess how it would be decided but my feeling is Fangio might have pinched it with more fastest laps and points scoring finishes. But who knows - either way those AI's need to look out for Gear Grinder Axleson in 1956! I think what amazed me about the driving this season was how you didn't retire at any race. A couple of questions: were these videos your first attempt or did you restart any races? Also, how was the damage setting used for you and the AI cars? I would imagine there were far more retirements in 1955, everything was so shaky, handmade, inconsistent, fragile... Even Fangio must have had the odd unlucky failure of engine, brakes, steering or electrics. Going to check out the '67 season next. I wonder what the 12-years-older Axleson can do with those cars???
It would have also been cool if you had run Sebring, they did run stuff there then and we could have had a more fantasy inspired finale since the whole season is a little fantasy based since most of the races were cancelled.
I'd say you won since in the races that count you got outscored him when looking at points/ positions compared. To put it simply, you scored 9, 8 and 7 points whilst Fangio scored 9, 8 and 6 points. Both total to 41 but your numbers are higher when compared to fangio. Quite a wonky solution but since they got no tie-breaker back in the day this seams like a decent solution.
In a real race, would Fangio's Mercedes team have known before the end of the race that you had fastest lap? Would that have been available via the commentary or on timings info? If so, would they have stuck out a pitboard for Fangio saying: 'GET FASTEST LAP' ? Or maybe 'AX FL' to let Fangio know that you had fastest lap?
I guess in real life, Alfred Neubauer (the famous Mercedes team manager) would be waving red flags or some such thing to Fangio, warning him that someone behind is attacking and gaining ground. He will also be waving the "go faster" flag to Moss and Kling to gain better positions.
GOATs every single one of them. Starting a race and not knowing whether you'd be alive at the end of it. Balls of steel. Hamilton and the likes don't get a look in for GOAT status when you take into account the 50s and 60s era of F1 imo. F1 nowadays is a shadow of its former self. Great driving Richard aka Jake. Reckon Fangio got the title but you can be proud.
Standing a few feet away from race cars screaming past may have looked like a very brave thing to do, but today it just looks like a very dumb thing to do...
How about a single lap track guide with the corner names what gears what you use to sight a turn in point and whatnot- - As if Richie was in studio for American TV- go wild with a silly accent and murderise those Italian names!
1950s f1 car: *has no grip, drifts every turn*
Spectators: “Let’s stand inches away from that!”
Group B Rally car: Has no grip, drifts every turn, has insane amounts of horsepower
Spectators: Let's try to touch the cars as they pass in front of us...
In 1955 and up until the early-80's, there was no tiebreaker in place for the championship had it finished level. Richie Ginther and Graham Hill actually share the 1963 runner-up position. Dropped races would have got Ginther the position, while countback (2 wins to none) would have given it to Hill. So a tie sounds like the period-correct solution.
With that system Fangio would win also because had more 9s.
@@HawkOfGP How do you figure? There was no tiebreaker either way, Hill, despite more wins did NOT get ranked above Ginther in the example I used.
@@SchafferPGabor Oh whoops, I was trying to reply to someone else's comment who had come up with their own system, ha! I think you are probably right that they just didn't have a tie-breaker rule. Kind of funny though!
Man, I lived in Torino a few blocks away from Parco del Valentino... this brings back a lot of memories!
Wow what a finish, I think technically Fangio takes it on countback which is incredible! That's never happened in F1 history. Great series! Can't wait to see what's next on that channel, maybe another 60s series?
On countback they're equal in wins. I'd call it a tie
You are the moral winner since I had so much fun watching all the serie in a couple days, keeping me on my tiptoes the last 3 races! I was really cheering for you :D
I love the car gauges from the 50’s and 60’s. Looks straight out of a WW2 bomber.
not far from it either. haha
Very well could've been, I don't doubt old plane parts were repurposed in cars.
*Axelson Vs Fangio Gran finale*
Tremendous effort - I am sure post race the Italian Race officials could find something wrong with the German car to promote the Prancing Horse to a championship... but would the Turin/Milan rivalry prevent such shenanigans? Everyone wins!
What an end of the season! Thank you so much for this content! Love it!
GP just getting into this sport& the best for me to see a WHOLE race in virtual, because there is sporadic film of that era! Thank you!
I'm gonna watch it later for sure!!! You made me start the 1955 season myself
Amazing finale. Took me almost 2 hours to watch, it was so gripping i didn't want to miss a second. Those poor Axelsons always seemed to be driving injured cars
What a thriller! Thank you for this series. Amazing drive
Great race. Would have gone with Montjuic but Turin was really good tbh.
About the championship, the tiebreaker gives Fangio the title (both with third places as well as he getting a win before you); that being said, both for entertainment purposes as well as bc of Turin actually not being a points-paying race in 1955 there could be a tiebreaker race Cars-style. Le Mans would be kinda fitting considering how much impact the Le Mans disaster had in the '55 racing scene and beyond, but I'd go with the Pau Grand Prix, which also a non point-paying race that year.
Either way, great ending to a great series. Thanks for doing it, and excited to see what's next
Maybe the real Driver's World Championship™ was the gears we grinded along the way
Brutal race bravely mastered! If only you would have had a better starting position..! All in all a suberb 1955 season by Richy Axelson!! And of course but still you GOT it!! It's a unbeliavable story with a unbeliavable END!!!! 😀😀👍👍👍👍
Just to point out, Montjuich dates back to 1933. The German teams were on the entry for the 1935-36 Penya Rhin Grands Prix. Nuvolari won the 1936 race in his Alfa Romeo 12C-36. Of course, the Spanish Civil War put paid to any further racing in the country for a while later that year.
From other diagrams I can find, the track map looks about right. I wouldn't mind seeing a mod for the 1935 version of this circuit.
Gordini has a hard "G" at the beginning, and seeing as blue is the official racing color of France, yes, they are French. I thought they were anyway, but that's good confirmation. It's rather like how Bugatti has an Italian name, but is in fact French. It's likely that both originate in southeast France, near to Italy.
I will agree that I think Montjuich would have been trickier, especially the first sector with that succession of slow corners coming down the hill.
I definitely think the actual, planned finale at Pedralbes would have suited you and the car better. You have fewer significant corners and multiple, long straights.
Gordini founder Amedeé Gordini is actually Italian, born Amedeo Gordini, worked as an apprentice to the Maserati brothers way back when they're still working in Isotta Fraschini. Ettore Bugatti is also an Italian, born in Milan. So, those constructors, while racing for France, had Italian roots.
And to top it all off, the French Talbot-Lago team, which is active in the inaugural F1 World Championship season in 1950 (the works team closed in 1950 but the cars were still raced in 1951 by private drivers) is run at that time by, another Italian, a Venetian named Antonio (Anthony) Lago, who is the source of the second name (the firm is initially just named Talbot until Lago bought it in the 1930s).
@@jcgabriel1569 I could have been clearer about origins, but figured an Italian family from an Italian name could be inferred.
I wonder then where the Maserati brothers got the mechanical knowledge to build a full car from. I know they designed what became the Type 26 for Diatto initially.
It's odd the works Talbot team folded so soon after they'd notched up a Le Mans win. Though it seems the French makes found it especially difficult to adapt to competition after the War, and/or perhaps were unwilling to change some traditions that made things harder for themselves.
@@Villoresi The Maserati brothers used to work for Isotta-Fraschini, an early Italian carmaker which also made things like aircraft engines. They went to Diatto afterwards and then started their own designs when they left.
After the war, a number of carmakers that produced high-end luxury cars found themselves in difficulty selling them postwar, and Talbot Lago is one. Postwar, Talbot Lago's range shares a good number of parts between them. Even the Grand Prix T26C racer used plenty of bits derived from their road cars, which shows the financial difficulties the company starts to suffer from.
@@jcgabriel1569 I think I had a bit of a brain fart there. I-F has a name somewhat similar to one of the high-end coachbuilders of the period, so I was thinking of bodywork and not full cars.
Anyway, hopefully you've taken a look at the latest video on here. The 1923 season was in the middle of when the Maserati brothers were driving. I think that's about when they switched over to Diatto.
Glad you decided to finish the season. Such a great series of videos.
My suggestion:
Since there is dispute over which 3rd places count, we can hold a tiebreaker race somewhere in the US, and every driver can participate. After all, the Indy 500 was a part of the championship in those days. If neither of you score points, then we run a race at Le Mans (the full course, if it is available, and the Bugatti circuit if not) as a tribute to Pierre Levegh and the people who died in his crash.
Wonderful well fraught season. I enjoyed every single race. Wonderful job on your part driving and your remarks and history along the way! Thanks
I love the content! Based on your experience with this and the 1985 CART demo I'm going to be happily spending lockdown. Thanks!
For a 98 game it actually seems quite good.
This series was fantastic, thank you for completing it!
2020 and Grand Prix Legends is still a thing...love it
Hey mate just found your channel and subscribed. Really enjoyed this and your narration is perfect imo. Looking forward to more 👍
Amazing race! Thanks!! The best Championship I've seen in youtube! Hope to see more non championship races maybe with realistic grid setups, there's a few at srmz forum.
You have no clue how much i love you and your channel, buddy. Youre the best.
This was an extremely entertaining series. It may sound weird, but there were moments in this series that I found to be quite thrilling. Edge of the seat stuff. Bravo!
Also this circuit, Parco del Valentino, which I didn't even know existed until today seems like an extremely fun and very pretty looking venue. It's quite impressive how well a lot of these GPL circuits are modelled considering the limitations of such an old game.
Again very enjoyable: the game play, the video quality and the commentary. Please let me make this humble suggestion: to make a vote and let your subs choose whatever they would like to watch next - f1 , can-am, Sports Cars...Cheers!
I love these consistent uploads, makes everyday 200% better! Keep it up!!!
Little did Villoresi know how his 1 point for Fastest Lap at Monza would have affected the championship!
The whole time I was thinking "He's gonna get FL at this pace... so if it's level and they have level wins and counted 2nds... what happens?" I'm thinking you and Fangio go to a shootout at another period track that wasn't necessarily F1: Sebring, Le Mans, Willow Springs, etc.
From what I can see of the scoring system is that the fastest lap points are only awarded if you finish in the top ten. Also it looks like in a tie, it goes wins, fastest laps and then poles. I can't verify that yet. I am looking through a bunch of old formula one books written by Denis Jenkins
Wow! What a series, that was excellent 👍 enjoyed every minute of that, you drove superbly 😀🏎
Really beautiful track and surroundings.
58:33, Drive up those steps.
Thanks for the season, was very entertaining from first race to last! And as someone already mentioned, no tie-breakers in this period so you'll just have to cut the trophy in half :)
Thank you very much for this amazing series!I really enjoyed it and I hope there will be an 11th race when the track is finished
I've got some popcorn and great feeling about this race! Let's Race!
I do that granny shift on exit technique too. It makes throttling out of a turn more forgiving and allowing you to get back on the throttle earlier and more aggressively. You also get to get your Rpm's back into the powerband faster. (Works great in the wet as well)
Shame about the final race of the season, but you really tried your best. Pushed just a little bit too hard. Overall, very enjoyable LP! Thanks for sharing.
Nice driving man, we gpl'ers know how hard it is, it's no walk in the park to get to the podium. Bra jobbat!
Great series, can't wait for what's next!
But but but...where's it going to be? :D
Montujic Park i'm guessing
Turin Grand Prix
This was a great Season. Well done
I remember you were talking about how you have a thrust master th8a. I have the same thing and I was wondering if you ever adjust the stiffness/tension on it.
I honestly didnt know it could be adjusted. my default feels pretty good
@@GPLaps there’s a hole on the lower left side with a screw inside where you can stick a flat head screwdriver and if you turn it right, the shifter has more resistance.
@@MichaelRoma91 : Super helpful tip, respect
Thanks for doing this and posting this. Congrats for the good racing season! Soooo, what's next?
I live a few blocks from Parco Valentino, in fact I'll be going for a run there at luchtime. I might have a go at making a version of this track for Assetto Corsa (I like driving in VR too much) I think the race in 55 was on a shorter version of the circuit, but this one is better
What a great track!
this was amazing! i would love to see like the simulation of a whole career, mabe pickup the 66 season again and go into the seventies? :D
Great drive, really fine margins! I think you could have won without the damage, being only +4 even after the first hay bale incident! Look forward to the next series
Congratulations brother! I love it! I love your channel
Really love your channel. Love racing old cars as well. Is it wrong that I was actually cheering for Fangio? XD
great driving ..i am lucky if i get in a few clean laps !!
9:13 what a save
Awesome racing, awesome season. Really enjoyed it. So heartbreaking at the end after those kerb taps! I don't even want to guess how it would be decided but my feeling is Fangio might have pinched it with more fastest laps and points scoring finishes.
But who knows - either way those AI's need to look out for Gear Grinder Axleson in 1956!
I think what amazed me about the driving this season was how you didn't retire at any race. A couple of questions: were these videos your first attempt or did you restart any races? Also, how was the damage setting used for you and the AI cars? I would imagine there were far more retirements in 1955, everything was so shaky, handmade, inconsistent, fragile... Even Fangio must have had the odd unlucky failure of engine, brakes, steering or electrics.
Going to check out the '67 season next. I wonder what the 12-years-older Axleson can do with those cars???
So I’ve been watching back from the first video and you mentioned you omitted the Indy 500, You could potentially use that as the title deciding race!
Great vid. Where do you get all the mods? thanks.
I know you’re not one to ask for donations, but if someone wanted to donate to the cause where can he?
Could you make the 1956 championship season?
that was amazing
What a lovely track
Sensational race. Congratulations for the title win.
It would have also been cool if you had run Sebring, they did run stuff there then and we could have had a more fantasy inspired finale since the whole season is a little fantasy based since most of the races were cancelled.
I'd say you won since in the races that count you got outscored him when looking at points/ positions compared. To put it simply, you scored 9, 8 and 7 points whilst Fangio scored 9, 8 and 6 points. Both total to 41 but your numbers are higher when compared to fangio. Quite a wonky solution but since they got no tie-breaker back in the day this seams like a decent solution.
In a real race, would Fangio's Mercedes team have known before the end of the race that you had fastest lap? Would that have been available via the commentary or on timings info?
If so, would they have stuck out a pitboard for Fangio saying: 'GET FASTEST LAP' ? Or maybe 'AX FL' to let Fangio know that you had fastest lap?
I guess in real life, Alfred Neubauer (the famous Mercedes team manager) would be waving red flags or some such thing to Fangio, warning him that someone behind is attacking and gaining ground. He will also be waving the "go faster" flag to Moss and Kling to gain better positions.
GOATs every single one of them. Starting a race and not knowing whether you'd be alive at the end of it. Balls of steel. Hamilton and the likes don't get a look in for GOAT status when you take into account the 50s and 60s era of F1 imo. F1 nowadays is a shadow of its former self. Great driving Richard aka Jake. Reckon Fangio got the title but you can be proud.
Can't get it running on Win 10 laptop. Works ok on old win xp tower
If wins are tied would it go down to laps led? Good luck figuring that one out! 😂
I think Fangio would win it on that basis.
NO I'M AT WORK THEN!!!
Me too man 😭😭
quit then, hardly anybody is essential
@@GeneralArmorus It has been considered
Hay bales: The "original" SAFER barriers. :-)
Standing a few feet away from race cars screaming past may have looked like a very brave thing to do, but today it just looks like a very dumb thing to do...
Good luck.
How about a single lap track guide with the corner names what gears what you use to sight a turn in point and whatnot- - As if Richie was in studio for American TV- go wild with a silly accent and murderise those Italian names!
What game is this???
Grand Prix Legends with a lot of mods
@@GPLaps , thanks!
epico
You won.
I think you’d be first you got 9 9 8 8 then 7 and 6 when he got 9 9 8 8 then twice 6. Congratulations
50s f1 cars handle like a 60 muscle car on obscene amounts of cocaine