crazy how the Ivory Sickle symbolizes the Albinauric’s loyalty to the Haligtree, and yet the weapon scales with every single stat except FAITH and ARCANE. let that sink in.
Darkmoon GS being at the top spot feel very satisfying considering its legacy. If any weapon deserves to be at the top, it's the one that has been around since King's Field. Also I am a Clayman's Harpoon stan so I can confirm it definitely deserves its high placement
I did a Ranni simp playthrough where my entire goal was to use the Dark Moon Greatsword. When I finally got it, I found it so brokenly powerful that I stopped using it after a few fights. Ended up using Helpen's Steeple because it wasn't an I win button. It's also a very stylish weapon.
I did the same with Mohgwyn's spear, after destroying Malenia first try with it and Mimic Tear having never fought her before, I figured it was high time I don't use it for the rest of the bosses that I had left.
I still used it i just rarely used heavy attacks, it would be so much better if instead of it adding the projectile to the heavy, using the skill button again would do the projectile, and you still get that damage bonus
To defend the Helphen's Steeple a little bit (I still agree the Dark Moon Greatsword does outclass it because of the Moonlight Greatsword projectiles while buffed), Ruinous Ghostflame does add 110 Magic Damage which is nearly double the amount Moonlight Greatsword adds (65) and even though the Dark Moon Greatsword has native Frostbite, Moonlight Greatsword only adds 15 Frost making it a total of 70. Ruinous Ghostflame adds 80 Frostbite. Plus, Helphen's Steeple has way better Strength scaling than DMGS, making it a true Strength/Intelligence sword whereas DMGS is pure INT. Solid list, Youwy.
That dosent really chagne anything though, cause the whole point is that with any stat build for helphens using DMGS over it would be a immediate improvement on build viability and strenght, helphens whole gist is being a GS with high frostbite buildup, and apart from the higher buildup dmgs edges it out in every aspect
@@asdergold1the protectile dmg falls off hella in any ng+, powerstancing 2 helphen or 1 helpen and 1 moonlight is gonna do more damage at higher levels
Words can't describe how insanely good Wings of astel is. Rosus axe is also really fun to use, the AoW is what tibia's summons wishes it was, poise-breaking machine. Rotten crystal sword should be higher imo, the rot buildup alone makes the weapon really good despite it's downsides. Meteoric ore blade is like A for me, insane high damage, bleed weapon, heavy attack DESTROYS poise and it just looks cool af.
royal greatswords attack rating is enough for me to really enjoy it even if the skill can be pretty unusable against most bosses. it definitely should have frost buildup tho. also it just looks rlly cool
The Moonveil deals significantly less damage with its weapon art than Unsheathe and the projectile part of the AoW sometimes completely whiffs if you're too close to the target. Unless you have plenty of fp and make good use of the added range of the projectile I'd just use an Uchi/ Nagakiba with Unsheathe. This doesn't mean that Transient Moonlight is weak, it's just that Unsheathe is complete bonkers
Moonveil is braindead cheap instead. Also the damage is pretty close of you have high Int and have it at +9 or 10. The upgrade level for that thing changes so, so much it's not even funny.
@@Blittsplitt5 Unsheathe has a higher motion value than the initial hit and projectile of Transient Moonlight combined, resulting in higher damage even at lower AR. I've tested this several times in the most recent version of the game with optimal stats. The poise damage of Transient Moonlight is only higher on the light attack (22.5+5 instead of 20)
@@benevolentduck9598 Unsheath can't hit something that's out of it's range. And what weapon with unsheath scales with intelligence more than the Moonveil. The Moonveil is literally the definition of cheese. You just face your opponent and spam Transient moonlight no matter how far away they are and you win.
I love how the Ruins Greatsword Ash of War scales with only strength, so you can have the min 16 int for it and have like a Int/Strength/Faith build, I'm using it rn and my AR is over 1000 and my ash of war does over 1200 with 16 int... Such an underrated weapon!
Carian Knight's Sword has only one real purpose: as a low-level sorcerer, if you don't have the dex for the Moonveil, it gives you a decent melee option so you can save FP. Pretty quickly falls off, however, but you can get it fairly early game.
It's a monster as a sword, it's AOW is extreemly underrated due to it's speed. Use it as a sword then factor it's AOW. It is extreemly powerful as a sword for a designated mage or magic knight.
MLGS at 1. is just facts. My last playthrough after not playing any souls game in a year, I just instantly did rannis quest, get mlgs and rogiers armour and put all my points in Int and vigor (a minimum in dex/str) and just was obliterating any boss. This was my first time first trying malenia at lvl 100 or so and the only boss i needed a few tries were Mohg (bc too less hp). The fact u get the strongest weapon art (the charged projectile) in the game for free for a minute for 32 FP is just the key for this minimalistic build. No need in Investing in any other than int and vigor and thats exactly what being overpowered means. sry for bad english
Just did an intelligence run. Used the Moonveil for the most part but switched to Wing of Astel when I got it and damn... That thing really is a weapon of mass destruction Now I do have to say that there are some shortcomings. The heavy attack projectile actually doesnt do the stance damage, you have to hit both the hit itself and the projectile but its still insane. Poisebreaking something like the Farum Azula beastmen in just two charged attacks is nuts. The other shortcoming is the actual normal attack damage of the sword is pretty lacking, but lets face it nobody will use them anyways. Just spam the skill and some charged attacks and the entire game crumbles before you I preferred the moonveil over the wing for Malenia though. Way more consistent
sorry boss I've only played as a sorcerer and the Moonveil is literal cheese, you need no skill or timing to win with transient moonlight. Wings of astel doesn't scale as well with inteliigence, takes a long time for its skill and attacks. And the nebula is easy to miss or move away from.
I used the watchdog staff if I required magic or range attacks, the weapon itself is not magic and only does physical damage and scales in strength and dex, but it’s ash of war does a high scaling range magic tracking attack that scales with the weapon AR, so if you are running a strength build and never invested in INT you can still have a really hard hitting magic range attack with this
The only one I have a problem with is the troll Knights sword it's decent and really nice looking maybe some were in the high twenties also trolls roar can stun lock Malenia.
It's true strength is in being able to deal 3 types of damage. It gives an enormouse versatility for PVE on the first game. It also is great for being a powerful weapone when out of FP, particularly that it does a stab.
From a game design theory perspective, I understand why they have to have "bad weapons" - these are skill testers (by which I mean, can you figure out they are bad and avoid them... easy with a wiki, but harder on a first blind playthrough). But, I wish they were all at least interesting. Serpent God's Curved Sword is a great example of an interesting "bad" weapon. As a damaging curved sword, it is outclassed by so many weapons, but because it can return health on a kill, it has an interesting place in your inventory. Or Sacrificial Axe. I wish, all the bad weapons here had some interesting thing they did like that. Say, suppose the Crystal weapons all did plus 200% damage to Crystal-type enemies. What if the Carian swords (Knight's Sword, Troll Knight's Sword) raise the damage of Carian sorceries by 20%? You could come up with interesting tweaks and random side effects for all of them. (+5% flask restoration, improved elemental resistances, and so on... I mean, the list is endless.) It would have been fun to try to find all these side effects and they would have redeemed a lot of weapons with great design. Like, all the Crystal weapons look cool as heck. They should be useful for *something*, etc.
There are so many reasons to have "bad" weapons. Weapon with lower AR but better moveset will always win in my book. Some weapons are designed for early/mid game. You use them untill you find something better, and it communicates progression. A lot of from's fanbase is lazy and unimaginative and only goes for the highest AR. My favourite weapons are Crescent Axe and Beastclaw greathammer which are both outclassed but I couldn't care less. And for the really bad weapons, it's always great to have them for challenge runs. Favourite runs that I did in DS3 were Dark hand, whips and Bows only (not that they are the worst, but nowhere near optimal).
Also, I love how Fromsoft always makes fun of sweaty builds, every stat boosting piece of gear looks horrendous, starting from DS1 and Crown of Dusk and peaking with ER.
The darkmoon great sword is just so darned pretty. I'm still not great a fighting and this helps. Maybe I need to try the Wing of Astel again and getting better at fighting although I think the darkmoon will always end up back in my hand. One charge and you can do soooooo many attacks with its weaponskill.
Am i the one that would have want that the lazuli glinstone sword to be a staff that would be okay to cast sorceries but would have good damage when slashing with it. Lore wise it would have been more accurate too
Little unmentioned note about the scepter of the all knowing: it’s the only hammer with strike/pierce. It has a unique back-step and I believe R1 finisher that does pierce damage. The war-pick looks like it should do pierce, but it’s listed as strike in-game.
It would have been really nice to have Loretta's War Sickle and Lazuli Glintstone Sword to be able to cast spells like it was a Glintstone Staff. I'm actually in the middle of a Int run using a mix of melee and spells. I've had good times using Loretta's War Sickle, Sword of St. Trina, and Bastard's Stars. Sword of St. Trina is an amazing weapon, it does fall off in damage in the late game but the utility is fantastic. It trivializes Rune Bears, I was able to put one to sleep and put it back asleep just as it was getting back up. I think Helphen's Steeple and Rosus's Axe are terrible weapons. I couldn't do anything with Helphen's Steeple and it didn't feel good to use. Rosus's Axe I had a hard time landing any of the skill against anything that moves half an inch. I also think Dark Moon Greatsword is overrated. It didn't feel good to use outside of the ranged heavy. Its not bad just overrated.
That cannot be true. It has some of the highest damage in the greatsword category buffed or not buffed, innate frost build up buffed or not buffed. The only less part is the heavy attack without the buff but it is forgiven because when it gets buffed, it hits harder than some of the highest damaging weapon skills without costing fp except initially and also being able to proc frost from range. It is a solid weapon without the buff but the second best weapon imo with the buff. You probably were not using it right.
@@facundovera3227 not necessarily. B int scaling C strength scaling. When you 2 hand it, physical damage wins not strength. Physical damage is both strength and dex.
Yeah, the Alabaster lord's sword's surprisingly decent. One thing I've noticed it that the defensive stats you get from stat points are favored in a way to go you to 20 in int and arcane as a softcap fro their respective defenses. Basically up to 20 points in either you get +2 to your static defenses against their respective damage types, magic and holy.Physical defenses don't get 2 per point until 40+ points of strength.
Ok I know it’s gonna sound silly but I actually prefer having frost only on the buff for helphens steeple cause I can guarantee my timing to actually proc it. I don’t use it for a frost build but I just like it’s damage. I’m ok with it on bleed and with mohgs spear cause I don’t use exultation talismans (at that point why don’t you just use frost if your aren’t already?). And again like said plenty of times, I hate how much is required to use a very slightly more powerful version of the helphens steeple in the first place. They both have their uses imo. I really don’t expect anyone to agree but I’m trying to justify why I like the sword more even beyond fashion or whatever. (Oh btw edit I’m not saying helphens is better but I personally prefer it for it’s scalings and stuff, cause it actually gets a higher ar than darkmoon greatsword if you have more strength than dex and high int)
I'd say MOB At least deserves low A, due to the fact that you can actually combo gravitas into the heavy, a deadly combo with staggerable enemies and in PvP.
Onyx lords greatsword is the opposite of the alabasters as it’s weapon skill repels people away. It still ain’t that good but it’s nice to make enemy’s fall of cliffs
I might be the only one, but I just want a regular ass tell moonlight greatsword in the dlc. Like L2 is called like moonbeam bearing and you press r1 for a moon beam and r2 for 2 slashes. No frost, no status, just the classic simple.
Maybe the troll knight sword doesn't have a greatblade phalanx skill bc there is technically already the spell. And, uh, the greatblade phalanx spell has the highest poise damage of the non-skill phalanx spells, while glintblade phalanx spell does the lowest. The AoW variant of GBP does fucking 40 poise damage with all 4 blades, so if the greatblade phalanx skill follows the same formula, just imagine the kind of *violence* you'd be capable of, everything would suddenly have the poise of a ceramic plate.
I kinda hope that we'll get a second MGS in the DLC that's just called Moonlight Greatsword and has the more iconic teal color to it, it also would make sense since there are two different moon sorceries in the game.
Square Off does more poise damage, has more range, and the R2 version can toss non-boss enemies. It also comes out quick like Unsheathe. It’s literally just the straight sword version of Unsheathe. As for spinning slash, I’ve only gotten use out of it on status build for quickly building up frost or bleed, and only because the skill combo is faster than a normal light attack combo. The damage really doesn’t impress me, and I have yet to get it to break poise on a boss.
@@danielpatterson1576 The first hit of spinning slash comes out faster than square off and all 3 hits combo dealing 33.5 (14.5+4.5+14.5) poise damage, which higher than Unsheathe R2 of Square off R1. You can also easily stunlock enemies with consecutuve spinning slashes until you stancebreak them, which is something you can't do with square off.
Top 4 are int weapons. And 5 is half int lol. I used them all a bit ony 1st playthrough. Loved the death ritual spear the most. Similar to mohgs spear in effect, except non local. Because of int weapons being so good at a distance, i didnt know how much mechanics of the game i missed my first time through. I killed regular enemies before they seen me coming. And bosses i just roll dodged and kept distance Thats what i like about this game though, the game is very different depending on your build. Im doing a strength build now ising just the large club. Ive destroyed most bosses first try. But i had a problem with the gargoyle right before the mountain tops. Because he flys back and forward so fast i couldn't land attacks and i would get caught in his spinning BS
i'm on my 1st playthrough and i was gonna go DEX build but there is like no weapons here?? or am i blind? i was using the starting samurai weapon for 45 lvls and i had enough. started pumping INT and went straight for moonveil katana. it's a fun sword but i feel like i need to shift to INT build now? how does it work? the special moves scale off of INT only?
I know it's a bit late but I was using Wing of Astel and Bandit Curved sword... I guess it was the name. It had an innate bleed and I infused it with cold. Went for 60dex and 68 int for Rannis dark moon. Those were the stats against Malenia. It was fun and effective so yeah. You can go for dex with Wing of Astel
Honestly don’t use the Dark Moon Greatsword. Fully charged R2 projectiles do more damage and stance damage than Heavy Transient Moonlight, AND YOU CAN SPAM IT FOR FREE. Positioning no longer matters, spacing has now become a joke, and with a summon you might as well be beating up children. I literally went and watched someone else fight the boss on RUclips afterwards because I didn’t feel like I got the correct experience. I still have no idea how to dodge any of Maliketh and Godfrey’s moves because I just kept backpedaling and spamming R2, it honestly felt like cheating.
I feel like calling Loretta's Slash a nonunique skill is unfair when that's clearly the weapon the skill originates from. I almost feel like it should be classified the other way around, as a 'unique' weapon skill that can be put onto other weapons. I know that's kinda an oxymoron, but I think it makes sense.
My favorite souls game of the trilogy is souls 2, and one of the reasons is the freedom of infuse even some boss weapons... Elden ring would be even better if we could infuse, or até least change the scale of some special weapons.
Bro really just said that daggers are trash in the reduvia/black blade patch. The highest dps without a ridiculous amount of buffs in current patch is reduvia blood proc imo
FS need to do a gigantic patch where they fix all the weapons that have skills scaling off faith, intelligence etc while only having a D scaling in that stat. It's so infinitely stupid.
11, 10, 8, 6 (Regalia is 6 imo), and 1 are the only ones you will ever need for any point in the game if your build includes even a modecum of int. Also Reduvia >= GS Kris
@Youwy How would you buff the magic damage of the weapon? Or does it scale of weapons level like the "magic" on the Watchdog staff? Also, I know it's not an int list. I brought up int since every weapon on this list scales off int exept this 2.
Impression i got from both weapons are that reduvia is an physical bleed smg while kris is a magic sniper with its ability to penetrate enemies body too. Kris got fp efficiency in its favor since you only need 10 fp and some buffs from talismans and or spells to do massive damage
Only because of the bleed, and even then if you build right, the bleed won’t have an impact until the endgame when hp and resistances get high. Plus the Kris still has more range and base damage.
Between Darkmoon GS and Death's Poker, I will always choose Death's Poker because of the additional damage enemies get from the blackflame (??) trail from the L2+R1 attack...the only edge from Darkmoon GS is that it's weapon art is a projectile.
radahn gs should be way higher: 1 its obtainable early game, and +0 is already op 2 in the game play u only used L2s and R1s, the most broken attack (after L2) is jump attack, paired with crow set and jump talisman (high dmg easy stagger) 3 its a somber weapon, u can upgrade it fast 4 the ash of war does insane dmg even at low int, this makes it perfect for player focusing on strenght (such as me in the first playthrough) 5 during the ash of war u get hyperarmor, so with enough health, u can just tank bosses BONUS its an incredible fun weapon, death ritual spear and others are just op and requires a spam on the ash of war, u gotta be a dumbass to actually enjoy that kind of gameplay At leasts top 8
Builds for some of these weapons- ruclips.net/video/Mv1DhURtpws/видео.html&ab_channel=Youwy
ruclips.net/video/nBKoToTS5jk/видео.html&ab_channel=Youwy
crazy how the Ivory Sickle symbolizes the Albinauric’s loyalty to the Haligtree, and yet the weapon scales with every single stat except FAITH and ARCANE. let that sink in.
It is *pain.* I hope some weapons like the Ivory Sickle are adjusted in a future patch/DLC.
I hope we get faith/arc weapons since faith/arc has been the funnest build I've done.
@@The_NovuI agree. Maybe even a dragon based weapon to go with the incantations
They were so done with gods they chose to ignore them altogether
classic fromsoft
Darkmoon GS being at the top spot feel very satisfying considering its legacy. If any weapon deserves to be at the top, it's the one that has been around since King's Field. Also I am a Clayman's Harpoon stan so I can confirm it definitely deserves its high placement
100% facts
It also just looks fantastic!
I did a Ranni simp playthrough where my entire goal was to use the Dark Moon Greatsword. When I finally got it, I found it so brokenly powerful that I stopped using it after a few fights. Ended up using Helpen's Steeple because it wasn't an I win button. It's also a very stylish weapon.
repetitive too, spam heavy
Yeah after using the holy moonlight swird in bloodborne again the one in elden ring is just so :( , even tho it is really strong
Best weapon is the godslayer greatsword, because come on, look at it
I did the same with Mohgwyn's spear, after destroying Malenia first try with it and Mimic Tear having never fought her before, I figured it was high time I don't use it for the rest of the bosses that I had left.
I still used it i just rarely used heavy attacks, it would be so much better if instead of it adding the projectile to the heavy, using the skill button again would do the projectile, and you still get that damage bonus
To defend the Helphen's Steeple a little bit (I still agree the Dark Moon Greatsword does outclass it because of the Moonlight Greatsword projectiles while buffed), Ruinous Ghostflame does add 110 Magic Damage which is nearly double the amount Moonlight Greatsword adds (65) and even though the Dark Moon Greatsword has native Frostbite, Moonlight Greatsword only adds 15 Frost making it a total of 70. Ruinous Ghostflame adds 80 Frostbite. Plus, Helphen's Steeple has way better Strength scaling than DMGS, making it a true Strength/Intelligence sword whereas DMGS is pure INT.
Solid list, Youwy.
Sum tum bean soup?
That excludes Dark Moon's projectile adding a fuckton more buildup. And damage.
That's why Helphen's Steeple is outclassed.
That dosent really chagne anything though, cause the whole point is that with any stat build for helphens using DMGS over it would be a immediate improvement on build viability and strenght, helphens whole gist is being a GS with high frostbite buildup, and apart from the higher buildup dmgs edges it out in every aspect
It does get outclassed but I still us use it anyway, it looks cool
@@asdergold1the protectile dmg falls off hella in any ng+, powerstancing 2 helphen or 1 helpen and 1 moonlight is gonna do more damage at higher levels
Words can't describe how insanely good Wings of astel is.
Rosus axe is also really fun to use, the AoW is what tibia's summons wishes it was, poise-breaking machine.
Rotten crystal sword should be higher imo, the rot buildup alone makes the weapon really good despite it's downsides.
Meteoric ore blade is like A for me, insane high damage, bleed weapon, heavy attack DESTROYS poise and it just looks cool af.
royal greatswords attack rating is enough for me to really enjoy it even if the skill can be pretty unusable against most bosses. it definitely should have frost buildup tho. also it just looks rlly cool
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“Aah, you were at my side all along.
My true mentor... My guiding moonlight...”
The Moonveil deals significantly less damage with its weapon art than Unsheathe and the projectile part of the AoW sometimes completely whiffs if you're too close to the target. Unless you have plenty of fp and make good use of the added range of the projectile I'd just use an Uchi/ Nagakiba with Unsheathe. This doesn't mean that Transient Moonlight is weak, it's just that Unsheathe is complete bonkers
Unsheath is dank but it doesn't have a projectile like moonveil does. So they're both good in their respective paths.
Moonveil is braindead cheap instead. Also the damage is pretty close of you have high Int and have it at +9 or 10. The upgrade level for that thing changes so, so much it's not even funny.
Moonveil does way more damage, IDK what you're talking about. Plus you can land the sword and projectile for more damage and stagger.
@@Blittsplitt5 Unsheathe has a higher motion value than the initial hit and projectile of Transient Moonlight combined, resulting in higher damage even at lower AR. I've tested this several times in the most recent version of the game with optimal stats. The poise damage of Transient Moonlight is only higher on the light attack (22.5+5 instead of 20)
@@benevolentduck9598 Unsheath can't hit something that's out of it's range. And what weapon with unsheath scales with intelligence more than the Moonveil. The Moonveil is literally the definition of cheese. You just face your opponent and spam Transient moonlight no matter how far away they are and you win.
I love how the Ruins Greatsword Ash of War scales with only strength, so you can have the min 16 int for it and have like a Int/Strength/Faith build, I'm using it rn and my AR is over 1000 and my ash of war does over 1200 with 16 int... Such an underrated weapon!
Carian Knight's Sword has only one real purpose: as a low-level sorcerer, if you don't have the dex for the Moonveil, it gives you a decent melee option so you can save FP. Pretty quickly falls off, however, but you can get it fairly early game.
You can hit 4000-5500 damage with a fully buffed fully charged ash of war Carian knight sword is a beast
Carian grandeur isn't even non unique, you can literally charge it 3 times which is pretty good in pve...
@@rigel9228 Carian knight sword’s AOW is faster than Carian Gs but weaker unless fully charged where it’s stronger
It's a monster as a sword, it's AOW is extreemly underrated due to it's speed. Use it as a sword then factor it's AOW. It is extreemly powerful as a sword for a designated mage or magic knight.
I feel like if you wanted the straight sword move set, you could use it.
Power stance Flails is actually a pretty sick move set
Power stance Dark Moon Greatswords is fantastic
Very well done and entertaining.
The only significant disagreement that I have is that you really needed a "Doo doo trash" tier for the Ivory sickle.
MLGS at 1. is just facts. My last playthrough after not playing any souls game in a year, I just instantly did rannis quest, get mlgs and rogiers armour and put all my points in Int and vigor (a minimum in dex/str) and just was obliterating any boss. This was my first time first trying malenia at lvl 100 or so and the only boss i needed a few tries were Mohg (bc too less hp).
The fact u get the strongest weapon art (the charged projectile) in the game for free for a minute for 32 FP is just the key for this minimalistic build. No need in Investing in any other than int and vigor and thats exactly what being overpowered means.
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Just did an intelligence run. Used the Moonveil for the most part but switched to Wing of Astel when I got it and damn... That thing really is a weapon of mass destruction
Now I do have to say that there are some shortcomings. The heavy attack projectile actually doesnt do the stance damage, you have to hit both the hit itself and the projectile but its still insane. Poisebreaking something like the Farum Azula beastmen in just two charged attacks is nuts. The other shortcoming is the actual normal attack damage of the sword is pretty lacking, but lets face it nobody will use them anyways. Just spam the skill and some charged attacks and the entire game crumbles before you
I preferred the moonveil over the wing for Malenia though. Way more consistent
Use the metor staff in your off hand it will buff the gravity effect of the unique heavy attack.
sorry boss I've only played as a sorcerer and the Moonveil is literal cheese, you need no skill or timing to win with transient moonlight. Wings of astel doesn't scale as well with inteliigence, takes a long time for its skill and attacks. And the nebula is easy to miss or move away from.
I used the watchdog staff if I required magic or range attacks, the weapon itself is not magic and only does physical damage and scales in strength and dex, but it’s ash of war does a high scaling range magic tracking attack that scales with the weapon AR, so if you are running a strength build and never invested in INT you can still have a really hard hitting magic range attack with this
I love this baby. My first real weapon when I first discovered the game.
Also, Death’s poker at #2? Great ranking and I know why. It is op as heck!
The only one I have a problem with is the troll Knights sword it's decent and really nice looking maybe some were in the high twenties also trolls roar can stun lock Malenia.
It's true strength is in being able to deal 3 types of damage. It gives an enormouse versatility for PVE on the first game. It also is great for being a powerful weapone when out of FP, particularly that it does a stab.
From a game design theory perspective, I understand why they have to have "bad weapons" - these are skill testers (by which I mean, can you figure out they are bad and avoid them... easy with a wiki, but harder on a first blind playthrough). But, I wish they were all at least interesting.
Serpent God's Curved Sword is a great example of an interesting "bad" weapon. As a damaging curved sword, it is outclassed by so many weapons, but because it can return health on a kill, it has an interesting place in your inventory. Or Sacrificial Axe. I wish, all the bad weapons here had some interesting thing they did like that. Say, suppose the Crystal weapons all did plus 200% damage to Crystal-type enemies. What if the Carian swords (Knight's Sword, Troll Knight's Sword) raise the damage of Carian sorceries by 20%? You could come up with interesting tweaks and random side effects for all of them. (+5% flask restoration, improved elemental resistances, and so on... I mean, the list is endless.) It would have been fun to try to find all these side effects and they would have redeemed a lot of weapons with great design. Like, all the Crystal weapons look cool as heck. They should be useful for *something*, etc.
There are so many reasons to have "bad" weapons. Weapon with lower AR but better moveset will always win in my book. Some weapons are designed for early/mid game. You use them untill you find something better, and it communicates progression. A lot of from's fanbase is lazy and unimaginative and only goes for the highest AR. My favourite weapons are Crescent Axe and Beastclaw greathammer which are both outclassed but I couldn't care less.
And for the really bad weapons, it's always great to have them for challenge runs. Favourite runs that I did in DS3 were Dark hand, whips and Bows only (not that they are the worst, but nowhere near optimal).
Also, I love how Fromsoft always makes fun of sweaty builds, every stat boosting piece of gear looks horrendous, starting from DS1 and Crown of Dusk and peaking with ER.
The darkmoon great sword is just so darned pretty. I'm still not great a fighting and this helps. Maybe I need to try the Wing of Astel again and getting better at fighting although I think the darkmoon will always end up back in my hand. One charge and you can do soooooo many attacks with its weaponskill.
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If you like Loretta's War Sickle, just put her Ash on the Swordspear. Better scaling, same move set.
Am i the one that would have want that the lazuli glinstone sword to be a staff that would be okay to cast sorceries but would have good damage when slashing with it. Lore wise it would have been more accurate too
Automatic like for adding the chapters in the video.
Little unmentioned note about the scepter of the all knowing: it’s the only hammer with strike/pierce. It has a unique back-step and I believe R1 finisher that does pierce damage.
The war-pick looks like it should do pierce, but it’s listed as strike in-game.
It would have been really nice to have Loretta's War Sickle and Lazuli Glintstone Sword to be able to cast spells like it was a Glintstone Staff.
I'm actually in the middle of a Int run using a mix of melee and spells. I've had good times using Loretta's War Sickle, Sword of St. Trina, and Bastard's Stars. Sword of St. Trina is an amazing weapon, it does fall off in damage in the late game but the utility is fantastic. It trivializes Rune Bears, I was able to put one to sleep and put it back asleep just as it was getting back up.
I think Helphen's Steeple and Rosus's Axe are terrible weapons. I couldn't do anything with Helphen's Steeple and it didn't feel good to use. Rosus's Axe I had a hard time landing any of the skill against anything that moves half an inch. I also think Dark Moon Greatsword is overrated. It didn't feel good to use outside of the ranged heavy. Its not bad just overrated.
Helphen's Steeple is more of a STR weapon than INT, also it's cold asf. Death's Poker is better for INT.
@@facundovera3227helphen steeple has a better int scaling and also the highest magic damage of all the greatswords. It is better for int
That cannot be true. It has some of the highest damage in the greatsword category buffed or not buffed, innate frost build up buffed or not buffed. The only less part is the heavy attack without the buff but it is forgiven because when it gets buffed, it hits harder than some of the highest damaging weapon skills without costing fp except initially and also being able to proc frost from range. It is a solid weapon without the buff but the second best weapon imo with the buff. You probably were not using it right.
@@Gamercade1205Helphen's Steeple has the perfect combination of INT and STR scalling. But if you two hand it strength wins.
@@facundovera3227 not necessarily. B int scaling C strength scaling. When you 2 hand it, physical damage wins not strength. Physical damage is both strength and dex.
Yeah, the Alabaster lord's sword's surprisingly decent. One thing I've noticed it that the defensive stats you get from stat points are favored in a way to go you to 20 in int and arcane as a softcap fro their respective defenses. Basically up to 20 points in either you get +2 to your static defenses against their respective damage types, magic and holy.Physical defenses don't get 2 per point until 40+ points of strength.
I appreciate the good words abput Rosus's Axe. I absolutely love that thing.
GREAT VIDEO YOUWY ♥️ 🙏
My take:
Keep the loretta stuff, but allow loretta sickle to work as a glintsone staff that also scales w dex.
5:50 "it decided it needed a trade off"
Yet the weapon is a whole letter grade ahead even with the trade off
2:24 anyone else noticed the timing of the damage?
Since I played the DS 3 with them, I only can see Starscrouge GS an inferior of Ringed Knight paired GS tbh.
Ok I know it’s gonna sound silly but I actually prefer having frost only on the buff for helphens steeple cause I can guarantee my timing to actually proc it. I don’t use it for a frost build but I just like it’s damage. I’m ok with it on bleed and with mohgs spear cause I don’t use exultation talismans (at that point why don’t you just use frost if your aren’t already?). And again like said plenty of times, I hate how much is required to use a very slightly more powerful version of the helphens steeple in the first place. They both have their uses imo.
I really don’t expect anyone to agree but I’m trying to justify why I like the sword more even beyond fashion or whatever. (Oh btw edit I’m not saying helphens is better but I personally prefer it for it’s scalings and stuff, cause it actually gets a higher ar than darkmoon greatsword if you have more strength than dex and high int)
20:55 Ice Spear scales better on keen infusion than magic.
I'd say MOB At least deserves low A, due to the fact that you can actually combo gravitas into the heavy, a deadly combo with staggerable enemies and in PvP.
I just loved having helphens and DMGS so I could have powerstanced glowing greatswords. So fucking cool looking
The bad weapons exist to make us appreciate the good ones even more
Thank you for this iv just started a int build and was wondering what weapons to go for
Onyx lords greatsword is the opposite of the alabasters as it’s weapon skill repels people away. It still ain’t that good but it’s nice to make enemy’s fall of cliffs
Now way the crystal dagger deserves to be higher that the bone fist and trolls sword
What if there were multiple talismans that increase your armament's scaling in one stat
2:20 Well, well well. Little did you know, these enemies re wielding different sword that just shares exactly the same exact model lol. #dlc
I might be the only one, but I just want a regular ass tell moonlight greatsword in the dlc. Like L2 is called like moonbeam bearing and you press r1 for a moon beam and r2 for 2 slashes. No frost, no status, just the classic simple.
Ignore the tell lol
It would make the animation slower.
Elden ring goat. Love your videos.
Maybe the troll knight sword doesn't have a greatblade phalanx skill bc there is technically already the spell.
And, uh, the greatblade phalanx spell has the highest poise damage of the non-skill phalanx spells, while glintblade phalanx spell does the lowest. The AoW variant of GBP does fucking 40 poise damage with all 4 blades, so if the greatblade phalanx skill follows the same formula, just imagine the kind of *violence* you'd be capable of, everything would suddenly have the poise of a ceramic plate.
Ivory Sickle is nice for getting through lava where you are heavy rolling though.
I struggle to keep up with what you're saying but boy howdy, do I enjoy your videos!! 😂
I kinda hope that we'll get a second MGS in the DLC that's just called Moonlight Greatsword and has the more iconic teal color to it, it also would make sense since there are two different moon sorceries in the game.
No
Hey could you do a ranking for staffs / sacred seals ?
Could you do a strength and dex weapon patch 1.10 tier list?
3:30 Spinning Slash>>>Square Off
Square Off does more poise damage, has more range, and the R2 version can toss non-boss enemies. It also comes out quick like Unsheathe. It’s literally just the straight sword version of Unsheathe.
As for spinning slash, I’ve only gotten use out of it on status build for quickly building up frost or bleed, and only because the skill combo is faster than a normal light attack combo. The damage really doesn’t impress me, and I have yet to get it to break poise on a boss.
@@danielpatterson1576 The first hit of spinning slash comes out faster than square off and all 3 hits combo dealing 33.5 (14.5+4.5+14.5) poise damage, which higher than Unsheathe R2 of Square off R1. You can also easily stunlock enemies with consecutuve spinning slashes until you stancebreak them, which is something you can't do with square off.
You should do all faith weapons ranking
First time I've ever seen someone give Bastrds Stars a good rating, interesting
Yet another day of not finding a reason as to why Helphen's is a mid weapon besides "just use DMGS".
Finally someone points out how powerful the glintstone kris is.
19:34 reduvia?
Meteoric Ore Blade my beloved ❤
The ash on Loretta's war sickle should have been her unique phase 2 combo slash instead
Or you could charge it instead.
Top 4 are int weapons. And 5 is half int lol.
I used them all a bit ony 1st playthrough. Loved the death ritual spear the most. Similar to mohgs spear in effect, except non local.
Because of int weapons being so good at a distance, i didnt know how much mechanics of the game i missed my first time through. I killed regular enemies before they seen me coming. And bosses i just roll dodged and kept distance
Thats what i like about this game though, the game is very different depending on your build.
Im doing a strength build now ising just the large club. Ive destroyed most bosses first try. But i had a problem with the gargoyle right before the mountain tops. Because he flys back and forward so fast i couldn't land attacks and i would get caught in his spinning BS
Love the LTG call back
Carian knight sword slaps. Well better than any of the crystal weapons at least
inb4 they nerf Wing of Astel in tomorrow's next patch
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i'm on my 1st playthrough and i was gonna go DEX build but there is like no weapons here?? or am i blind? i was using the starting samurai weapon for 45 lvls and i had enough. started pumping INT and went straight for moonveil katana. it's a fun sword but i feel like i need to shift to INT build now? how does it work? the special moves scale off of INT only?
I know it's a bit late but I was using Wing of Astel and Bandit Curved sword... I guess it was the name. It had an innate bleed and I infused it with cold. Went for 60dex and 68 int for Rannis dark moon. Those were the stats against Malenia. It was fun and effective so yeah. You can go for dex with Wing of Astel
Crystal sword does have better scaling that a regular magic straight sword, doesn't it ?
If trolls knight greatsword were to be changed to a greatsword it could be way better
What I dont understand is how does the moonlight GS has less stat requirements than wing of astel and moonveil
It doesn't. Wing and Moonveil need less stat investment; infact they get better AR through upgrades than they do from stats.
Rosus axe is so underrated
Honestly don’t use the Dark Moon Greatsword.
Fully charged R2 projectiles do more damage and stance damage than Heavy Transient Moonlight, AND YOU CAN SPAM IT FOR FREE. Positioning no longer matters, spacing has now become a joke, and with a summon you might as well be beating up children.
I literally went and watched someone else fight the boss on RUclips afterwards because I didn’t feel like I got the correct experience. I still have no idea how to dodge any of Maliketh and Godfrey’s moves because I just kept backpedaling and spamming R2, it honestly felt like cheating.
Onyx lords gs is actually pretty good
Still sad that they nerfed the hell out of my Surge beast jaw. It went from what 40 to 8 stance damage?
I feel like calling Loretta's Slash a nonunique skill is unfair when that's clearly the weapon the skill originates from. I almost feel like it should be classified the other way around, as a 'unique' weapon skill that can be put onto other weapons. I know that's kinda an oxymoron, but I think it makes sense.
Unique literally means one of a kind. Doesn’t matter where it originates from it still isn’t unique. Also you acquire the AoW before the weapon
That may be true in a lore-sense, but in gameplay you literally get the AOW before you get the weapon it originates from.
@@youwyYeah that's fair. I'm just grateful it got Loretta's Slash and not impaling thrust or endure or something (looking at you Dragon Greatclaw).
Now he’ll post this on tiktok throughout the course of multiple days
Bastard's Stars is top ten other than that good list.
My favorite souls game of the trilogy is souls 2, and one of the reasons is the freedom of infuse even some boss weapons...
Elden ring would be even better if we could infuse, or até least change the scale of some special weapons.
22:53 lol
Claymans harpoon + ice spear absolutely clapped morgott
Death's poker is my favourite weapon in the game
They nerfed the shit out of all mage stuff between whatever the last patch I play to now (1.08~ to 1.13)
How do you make your chracter
Bro really just said that daggers are trash in the reduvia/black blade patch. The highest dps without a ridiculous amount of buffs in current patch is reduvia blood proc imo
FS need to do a gigantic patch where they fix all the weapons that have skills scaling off faith, intelligence etc while only having a D scaling in that stat. It's so infinitely stupid.
I keep wondering how I'm not dodging attacks you are... then I realize your probably at light weight while I practically live on medium.
I live on medium roll too. But I also fight these bosses everyday and have thousands of hours in the game haha
Family heads ahead of helphems steeple?
Yes
To me for it to be considered a magic weapon it has to have a C or higher scaling
I used the Fallingstar beast jaw to beat Astel, and they went and nerfed my boy? WHY?
Because it's cheese.
11, 10, 8, 6 (Regalia is 6 imo), and 1 are the only ones you will ever need for any point in the game if your build includes even a modecum of int.
Also Reduvia >= GS Kris
Can you rank dex weapon please?
Marias executioner and the Regalia dont get and intel scaling
Curious as to why its on this list
it does magic damage. This is not an int list
@Youwy How would you buff the magic damage of the weapon? Or does it scale of weapons level like the "magic" on the Watchdog staff? Also, I know it's not an int list. I brought up int since every weapon on this list scales off int exept this 2.
@@RemingtonSteelthey still get buffed by magic-buffing talismans, tears, and spells. They just don’t scale off Int.
@@danielpatterson1576. Thank you for a clear answer instead of some smug "this isn't an int list" answer
No way falling star beast jaw is only A tier
Have you used it since the nerf?
reduvia might be a little bit more powerful than glintstone kris
"Isn't that cute...BUT IT'S WRONG!"
Impression i got from both weapons are that reduvia is an physical bleed smg while kris is a magic sniper with its ability to penetrate enemies body too. Kris got fp efficiency in its favor since you only need 10 fp and some buffs from talismans and or spells to do massive damage
Only if dual wielded.
Only because of the bleed, and even then if you build right, the bleed won’t have an impact until the endgame when hp and resistances get high. Plus the Kris still has more range and base damage.
Royal Greatsword should be in S-tier.
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why do all your claimed scalings dont match the stats we see on screen
WHY are regalia and executioner's swords here? They are Arcane weapons
They do magic damage. It’s a magic list
@@youwy Ah, so the magic scorpion charm buffs them?
You forgot about the frozen needle which is prolly d tier.
He probably ignored it deliberately because it’s complete garbage.
@@danielpatterson1576 "Doo Doo Trash." Nep nep nep nep nep.
I won't accept this Royal Blacksmith Iji slander, besides it's a pure physical sword.
@@facundovera3227 Really, no way, it's definitely a magic weapon.
@@TruemenaceofsocietyIt's a magic weapon the same way Nox Flowing Sword is a magic weapon.
oh man, so much misinformation with such confidence! love it!
Name one thing I was incorrect about
Between Darkmoon GS and Death's Poker, I will always choose Death's Poker because of the additional damage enemies get from the blackflame (??) trail from the L2+R1 attack...the only edge from Darkmoon GS is that it's weapon art is a projectile.
You ignored the pois damage. Try using the DMGS in melee.
radahn gs should be way higher:
1 its obtainable early game, and +0 is already op
2 in the game play u only used L2s and R1s, the most broken attack (after L2) is jump attack, paired with crow set and jump talisman (high dmg easy stagger)
3 its a somber weapon, u can upgrade it fast
4 the ash of war does insane dmg even at low int, this makes it perfect for player focusing on strenght (such as me in the first playthrough)
5 during the ash of war u get hyperarmor, so with enough health, u can just tank bosses
BONUS its an incredible fun weapon, death ritual spear and others are just op and requires a spam on the ash of war, u gotta be a dumbass to actually enjoy that kind of gameplay
At leasts top 8