A cousin of mine bought me tickets to PP&M when they performed at Asbury Park convention hall in the early sixties, and my seat was one of a semi-circle that surrounded them on the actual stage. So, I was sitting, perhaps, 6 feet from Mary. And, being the only kid on the stage, they dedicated Puff to me. Needless to say, it was a highlight of my life at the time!
In this episode one can almost feel the transition from the legacy of the 1950s to the 1960s as they are remembered. Woody Allen, Peter Paul and Mary - so unlike the usual WML participants. It is also cool to see an as-yet unknown Seiko Ozawa.. This is one of the "important" episodes. No wonder there are over 500 comments here!
Ha ha. They have no idea who Seiji Ozawa is! He went on to become the longest serving music director of the Boston Sympony Orchestra and one of the greatest conductors of the 20th Century.
***** No reason. I just find it funny. Especially considering most of their guess work leads most of them to thinking that he's an acrobat or circus performer.
***** Because Ozawa was assistant conductor to Leonard Bernstein of the N.Y. Symphony 1961-1962. It strikes me that, for all they knew about the theater, I've never heard the panelists talk about the symphony, and I'm not sure they were all that familiar with the opera.
When contestant #1 signed in, I ran it, back-three times. This, certainly, isn't a "mystery guest." This was fine-now, to view it! Re: the mystery guests-I have the group's(now)50-year-old 'live' 2-LP set. It's wonderful. I, especially, love, "Paultalk." It's a twelve-minute segment, in which Mr. Stookey monologizes.
The original commercials and transitions add so much to a super fun episode! THANK YOU for all your hard work in posting these. We are grateful for this slice of history. :)
Thank you for having included the commercials. Frankly-growing up in the late '50's/early 1960's, those commercials were as entertaining as were the witty shows they supported. Over 50 years later, this stuff is still relevant and interesting!
I wonder how many musicians were able to make a living from performing in the creation of the jingles! I was surprised that that I still knew the sominex song by heart, and I never saw that product in our home!!
Wow, Seiji Ozawa in his younger days, before I even knew of his work (which was in the 80s). This show is an amazing treasure trove of vintage if not historical, memories. I'm so glad it's in RUclips.
This aired on my birthday! That is, it was Beatles member Ringo Starr's 23rd birthday at the time. And also during then, Walt Disney's "Summer Magic", starring Hayley Mills and Burl Ives, was released. So this episode and that film had both turned 35 in 1998, when I was born on July 7 of that year. And Ringo Starr had turned 58.
Not all that many years after this episode, the panel would have had to wear blindfolds with Seiji Ozawa as a contestant. Fun to see him in his early years, before he was well-known in the U.S. In 1973, he became Director of the Boston Symphony and held the post for 29 years.
Seiji Ozawa was music director of the Boston Symphony Orchestra from 1973 until 2002. His 29-year tenure was the longest in the history of the orchestra.
The fact that John Daly mentioned that he had been in Japan and spoke highly of the people there...that was very big for that time...the end of WW2 was less than 20 years beforehand...and there were still many that were against the Japanese people at this time. It was quite genuine of him to speak of the people there...not a political slant towards the ones who had attacked our country several decades beforehand.
I received an LP record of Peter, Paul, and Mary for my birthday in 1974. I played that record several times. Some of the songs on that record were "Blowin' in the Wind," "I'm Leaving on a Jet Plane," " If I Had a Hammer," and "Puff, the Magic Dragon." They said that the song "Puff, the Magic Dragon" had nothing whatsoever to do with drugs. The song was about a young boy who had a make-believe dragon that he named "Puff." They said that they got so sick and tired of people lying and claiming that the song dealt with drugs when it definitely did not have anything whatsoever to do with drugs. I loved their style of music 🎶.
Blimey ! Dorothy guessed who the mystery guests were much more quickly than I thought she or the others would ! Very interesting to see a young Woody Allen on the panel ! I love the music of "Peter, Paul & Mary" so much ! So that made this episode a VERY special treat ! THANKS so much for sharing with us ! CHEERS !! :-)
At the end, John includes in the address for sending in requests to be on the show as "New York 22, New York", even though ZIP codes had gone into effect on July 1 of that year. The topic was discussed a few months back when the Postmaster General was a contestant. When this show aired, the correct address would have ended with "New York 10022, New York". Minor point, of course, since there would not have been any real confusion during the transition to the new system, but I think interesting in a historical sense.
I need to amend my post. The proper address was New York, New York 10022. My original post put the zip code in the wrong location. Note to self: when correcting something, make sure to do it correctly.
Everyday habits take time to form, and a lot of time to break. My dad wrote addresses that way for years, many people did. Placing the full zip code at the very end, hopefully even sticking out a bit, became essential as mail sorting procedures changed. Mail handlers needed to flip through stacks of mail scanning just the zip rather than reading the whole address.
Great full episode! The first contestant Seiji Ozawa is still alive and despite health setbacks continues to work when he can He will be 80 a year from this September first!
Posting much appreciated. I remember the original airing and later became a huge Peter, Paul & Mary fan, so I have been looking for it. Folk music at its absolute finest from this immensely talented, special trio. RIP Mary and PEACE & LOVE to all.
I had clicked on this to see Woody Allen & P,P&M..., but seeing such a young Seiji Ozawa was an unexpected surprise! Have seen him at Tanglewood twice..., a truly gifted & talented conductor!
I think Arlene's a little high here on her pain pills from the car accident or maybe a few too many here, lol. I find her so precious and adorable. I can't get over how no matter what, she's always incredible elegant in a realistic way (as opposed to for example Miss Meadows who is totally glam). Arlene is a smart cookie. Loving this dress too. Wow.
Cup of black coffee for Miss Francis, please. That was a bit of a slight at the end to Woody Allen....."He wasn't much tonight, but when you see him perform....." Lol! It was okay, I'm sure, but I wish they'd have shown Woody's face.
Have seen Maestro Ozawa conduct many Boston Symphony Orchestra at concerts at Tanglewood. What a fun surprise to find him on an episode of WML.😊 I was only 3 y/o when this was aired.
Seiji Ozawa. Speechless. He was all of 27 here. He studied with Charles Munch, Herbert von Karajian, and Pierre Monteaux. He studied at Tanglewood and won The Koussevitzky Prize in 1960. He assisted Leonard Bernstein for 4 years. His first professional assignment conducting The San Francisco Orchestra came in 1962. In late 1962, seven months before this broadcast, he was involved in a rather strange controversy involving the NHK Network Symphony Orchestra: some of its musicians refused to work with him. So off he went to conduct the rival Japan Philharmonic Orchestra. So, what has your kid done lately?
Wow-- as I said in another comment, I'm really not familiar with Ozawa. Somewhat surprising to me that anti-Japanese sentiment was still that strong in 1962 in the U.S. Or was that not the issue?
soulierinvestments I did not know all that about Ozawa's history, but as I mentioned in my reply to Aleta Curry's comment, above, the fact that he had already established that much of a name for himself by the time this episode was taped makes it even more astonishing that the panel had no clue who he was!
"Variety" the show business newspaper, used to print in every issue who was in town, both in NYC and Hollywood, and I'm sure Dorothy kept abreast of these comings and goings.
This is great stuff! The only thing that would make it better would be if Dorothy had explained a lilttle bit on how she guessed PP&M. This show aired only 7 months before the Beatles appeared on Ed Sulllivan, and changed the music world.
9:3514:4923:13 *Love* that sly adorable smile Dorothy gives when she's onto something! She comes across very intelligent throughout these episodes. Even though the show is well before my time, I'd probably have had a crush on this lady if I'd been born much earlier. (I'm 30 now, and she was 50 in this clip, but she's very pretty for her age).
Mr Daly was the announcer who told America that Pearl Harbor was bombed that Sunday morning. Wonder how folks of that generation felt about people from Japan? It was about 20 years after the war. Mr Osawa would have been a very young child during those years.
There was still a lot of resentment towards Japan at this time, just18 years after the war. But Japan was being run by warlords up until they lost the war. It would make no sense to hold Japanese artists who were children during the war responsible for anything that their government did.
Ignorance causes people to not be able to mentally remove citizens of a rival nation from the warmongering powers that be, that ultimately drag a country into war with another. But with all respect, there were painful, lingering memories in the minds of direct participants in that horror, and I believe it in important to consider their feelings and how long deep scars take to heel.
The biggest stars of the time appeared as guests (and on the panel), which goes to show just how intelligent and respected this show and John and the panel were.
Possibly the most versatile name plate on WML if they used the same one for all three. But there were four panelists over the years whose name ended in those letters, seeing that Dorothy Kilgallen's name also ends with "allen".
The upcoming Newport Folk Festival that Peter speaks of will be a seminal event that unleashes Bob Dylan onto the world. It is the first of his 3 appearances at that festival. Bob had just released his second album (a personal favorite of mine) and he was just becoming known outside of the folkie community,
Woody Allen's question to the lobster lady about whether the item she is associated with is dangerous is hilarious - particularly so as in one of his movies that he made a decade later, Diane Keaton calls him over due to an emergency in her house - a lobster that escaped out of a container in her kitchen!
BV You and David Von Pein must have been posting around the same time and sharing brainwaves -- he posted a link to the clip you referenced in a separate comment, above yours. It does seem remarkably apropos to Woody Allen's own questioning of the lobster seller. I wonder if he had that in mind at all when he wrote the scene.
I had to watch this when I saw it listed. Not too long ago, we met Peter Paul and Mary at RennFest. We shared a table and they introduced themselves that way, then he clarified and said he was Peter Paul and his wife was Mary Paul :)
I saw PP&M in concert a few times. It was amazing to see three generations of people in the audience all singing along. I saw Mary one time solo years ago at a concert. She was wonderful and took requests but would not sing "Puff the Magic Dragon" without Peter and Paul. I loved them and the first album I ever received as a Christmas present was "Moving" in monaural since my parents did not yet buy a stereo. Memories!
小澤征爾氏！？Oh my goodness, he is young in this clip! I wonder if Japanese TV stations are aware of this appearance of his in an American quiz show...they'd probably want to get their hands on this one.
There's almost a degree of poignancy to this appearance, which was filmed a year or two before American involvement in Vietnam. PP & M would become one of a few groups who sang such stirring & touching anti-war melodies.
Don't forget the significance of the events in Dallas later this same year of 1963, that would see a President committed to ending our involvement in Vietnam being violently replaced with another President all too happy to rev up the war machine.
I'm surprised that the panel didn't recognize Seiji Ozawa. I guess they're more from the theatrical world rather than the classical music world. His recording with Mstislav Rostropovich of the Prokofiev and Shostakovich cello concerti is the best by far.
At that time it was probably believed that people like Peter Paul and Mary and folk music would be the 'new' hip sound but then came THE BEATLES, THE WHO, HENDRIX and like, wowwwww!!! At this point they have NO IDEA of what's about to hit em!! I LOVE that. :)
What's about to hit them more immediately is Bob Dylan, for the upcoming Newport Folk Festival that Peter speaks of here will introduce Bob to a much wider audience. Beatlemania, meantime, has already gripped parts of Europe, but Capitol execs weren't interested in the Beatles and other problems kept the Beatles, for the most part, off American airwaves until Dec, '63. The Beatles would arrive at JFK in Feb '64 and American pop culture would change forever.
The second Kellogg's commercial [19:03] was originally seen in 1962 (I saw it during a "PETE AND GLADYS" episode). The "neighborhood" the car pulls up in was on the "Columbia Ranch" back lot, where their "neighborhood block" was seen in their countless sitcoms from the '50s into the '70s- in fact, that section was where the Baxter house was located on "HAZEL"- and eventually, where Samantha & Darrin later lived on 'BEWITCHED".
I was hoping that once it was established that Seiji Ozawa was someone would ask him if he played "longhair music". It was a question that was asked from time to time, but alas not this time. In later years, Mr. Ozawa has been known for his long hair, sometimes in a bowl cut and sometimes in what can best be described as a mane.
Woody Allen had a very funny scene in one of his films, where they did a parody of "What's My Line?". Jack Barry was the host, and among the panel members were Robert Q. Lewis and Regis Philbin. The scene was also made into a fake kinescope, as a nice touch.
I saw that film. It's titled "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex.". The show was called "What's My Perversion?". Incidentally, there is a WML parody in the original 1961 animated version of the Disney classic "101 Dalmatians". It was called "What's My Crime?".
I realize this is a very old comment, but I also recall an earlier film where WML was parodied (though not as elaborately). This is from "Take The Money And Run". ruclips.net/video/5nNWIVkLJ-M/видео.html
I wonder: did "Peter, Paul and Mary," Seiji Ozawa, and Woody Allen ever appeared together again EVER somewhere other than this WML episode? The production staff did not realize then what an amazing line up they had gotten looking into the future.
I'm not all that familiar with Peter, Paul and Mary or Ozawa's careers, but certainly, Woody's great fame was yet to come. I believe I've read in bios of him that he had to be practically forced to do things like this by his managers, Rollins and Jaffee, for the national exposure it would provide. Seems like it sure worked!
Aleta Curry Yes, it amazes me that the panel neither had to be blindfolded nor even introduced to him as Mr. X! And after watching the full segment and finding out that he had already won some major awards and positions in the world of music by that time, I am further surprised that none of the highly cultured panel regulars had any idea who he was but needed to identify his "line" through the usual question-and-answer process, just like any other contestant with a job outside the entertainment business. The other contestants I can think of who I was equally surprised were not recognized by the panel were Jacques Cousteau (who was introduced as Mr. X, I believe, but whom the panel did not know by sight) and Colonel Harland Sanders (of Kentucky Fried Chicken fame), who, like Ozawa, signed in under his own name and also looked every inch like his image on millions of cartons of fried chicken. I don't remember for sure whether either of those was in an episode before this one (I think Cousteau was, but not Col. Sanders -- is that right, What's My Line? ?), but I had watched the clips of both of those segments elsewhere on RUclips before I discovered this channel. As someone who grew up in the 1960s and 70s, it's hard to imagine a time when these people were not both household names and familiar faces.
SaveThe TPC Cousteau on 9/16/56. Col. Sanders on 12/1/63. Neither were the main mystery guest. Cousteau signed in as a "Mr. X", Col. Sanders was still unknown enough to sign in with his real name. No blindfolds on the panel for either segment.
What's My Line? I *thought* I remembered seeing the full Cousteau episode on your channel already, and the 1956 date confirms that, just as the Dec. '63 date confirms that I haven't seen the full Col. Sanders episode yet. I remember both segments well from when I first saw them as clips elsewhere on RUclips, though, because I was so amazed by the fact that the panel did not need to be blindfolded for either of them and that Col. Sanders didn't even have to hide his name or try to dress differently from the very distinctive and memorable style that I associate with him.
@@WhatsMyLine I am reminded of the Fred Allen tribute show, aired the night after his sudden death. Cyd Charisse was the MG, but the three "regular" contestants were Jacques Plante (future NHL Hall of Famer), Mrs. Jules Lederer (aka Ann Landers), and Toshiko Akiyoshi (future jazz great). Lots of wow factor thinking about what the future held for each, as well as lots of tears with the tributes to dear Mr. Allen.
Yes if you use BS government inflation numbers. I seem to recall buying individual serving size of 2 - 2 oz. hostess chocolate cupcakes for 25 cents and I was born in 1956 but other than food things have gone up even more than that. Apparently thar cupcake size has been reduced 20% too.
Seji Osawa was the headcontuctor of Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra! He contucted the famous New Years Concert! I know him only wit his white(gray) hair! He was verry handsome in the sixties!
Her eyes are a bit puffy in this period, to be fair. For a year or two prior to the accident she looked AMAZING!! Big eyes, loose soft hair, great look....she was stunning then. She's not quite her usual sultry self here.....yet. I don't think.
I know! i’d say - or guess, whatever - that about 99% of conductors are extremely good pianists. Interesting, eh? (Maybe he was just being a little modest… He didn’t rate himself as enough of a virtuoso, perhaps , to call himself a “pianist,” c.f., the virtuosi he and his orchestras accompanied …- ? -_Ahh, well. ( Sorta like Hector Berlioz. 1 of the very few great composers who didn’t play an instrument well at all…)
You are probably correct, as far as MALE panelists. This is the episode where "Allen" surges into the lead as far as panelists' names. It will be tied, however by "Douglas" (Melvyn, Mike, and Anne). Second place is "Lewis" (Robert Q. and Jerry), Cerf (Bennett and Phyllis), Andrews (Dana and Eamonn), Hayes (Peter Lind and Margaret), Mason (James and Pamela), Grey (Joel and Coleen), Price (Vincent and Roger), Cook (Peter and Sarah), Carson (Johnny and Jeannie), Young (Robert and Gig), Powell (Dick and Jane), and Hoffman (Harold and Richard, though technically Richard had 2 'n's in his last name). There could be others that I can't think of off the top of my head or find with a quick scan. I definitely did NOT conduct an exhaustive search. Someone with a searchable database might find something surprising.
This may have been the first episode in which the show tried to reach out to younger audiences. Woody Allen and Peter, Paul, & Mary were not from the Golden Age of Hollywood. They were from the newer, modern era of Hollywood, which began in the early 1960's, and continues today. The show would gradually continue this trend, well into the original show's ending in 1967, and during the Syndicated revival, the trend was as common as ever. Yes, as Bob Dylan famously sang, "The Times They Are a-Changin'".
Joe Postove My point was that most younger people of today would know who Woody Allen and Peter, Paul, & Mary are, than with, say, Arthur Godfrey for example. Although, yes, you could also make a case with Chubby Checker as well.
Undoubtedly this is an outreach to a younger audience. But done before. Before this, WML booked Rick Nelson, Fabian, and Paul Anka as mystery guests. And there were some young contestants -- Henry Makow comes to mind.
They even had Sal Mineo on before, when they asked if he was a leading man and he asked John, "What do I say "I'm 18". Dorothy even adds later, "My daughter would consider you a leading man."
Peter Paul and Mary were the hottest thing on the airwaves at this time. the Kingston Trio - who would appear on WML a month after this - were just nearing the end of their stratospheric popularity - which had begun in 1958 with Tom Dooley.
i can't believe that bennett cerf was so negative about dorothy in his later years when it always seemed like they got on pretty well during her lifetime. for example, when dorothy guesses peter, paul and mary out of nowhere bennett can be heard saying "well done dorothy" while laughing with arlene replying "AGAIN!" because they were so shocked she got it. i just struggle to understand why they would emphasise how competitive they were years after her death when it appears here like the whole set up was lighthearted and enjoyable for all
I think Bennett would have secretly been resentful/jealous of Dorothy’s superior game playing and sharp mind. Bennett had his own intelligence and business skill but he was no match for Dorothy at this game. This would irk many men from that era at the time.
However they truly felt about each other, they would have kept their feelings out of their performances. I think the audience and watchers would have been turned off by excessive snarkiness from the panelists.
The only way I cd. remember which guy was which was “Paul’s tall and Pete’s neat”. I was 12 when their first album came out, had grown up on AM rock stations-don’t remember if they got airplay on them but a buds older brother played that album for us and I was enthralled. When I bought their LP’s I noticed that they recorded several songs by some guy named Bob Dylan. Little did we know what he was to become. And, of course, developed a huge crush on Mary-R.I.P.
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Peter, Paul, and Mary are true legends. Paul used to perform by himself at my high school back in the late '60s and early '70s. A very nice man.
And Mary Travers was so gracious and beautiful. Their harmonies were some of the best.
I really miss Marry. We did a Meet and Greet with them after a show once to benefit a charity and Mary was the sweetest lady ever. 💗
@@dorothycordova1678I hope you referred to her as Mary and not ‘Marry’ … you should eat more Special K.
Peter is equally kind and generous.
Me too. I met her in their beginnings. Such class and the harmony was sublime
A rare treat to see Seiji Ozawa before he became so hugely successful, he is 87 in 2023 and still performs on occasion.
Passed away February 2024
Rest in peace Mr Ozawa ♡
Back when Woody Allen was a human being.
A cousin of mine bought me tickets to PP&M when they performed at Asbury Park convention hall in the early sixties, and my seat was one of a semi-circle that surrounded them on the actual stage. So, I was sitting, perhaps, 6 feet from Mary. And, being the only kid on the stage, they dedicated Puff to me. Needless to say, it was a highlight of my life at the time!
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Puffed up corn … yuck!
The first guest, Seiji Ozawa, went on to become one of the leading symphony orchestra conductors in the world.
That's for sure! I've been to a concert in which he conducted Ravel. He was great!
@@feraudyh Interesting!
LEGENDARY conductor of Boston Symphony Orchestra, I saw him many times.
I saw him with the Boston Symphony orchestra many times.
I saw him when I was 14 at the Paris Opera, when he conducted-- if I remember correctly (that was 50 years ago!) a production of La Traviata.
In this episode one can almost feel the transition from the legacy of the 1950s to the 1960s as they are remembered. Woody Allen, Peter Paul and Mary - so unlike the usual WML participants. It is also cool to see an as-yet unknown Seiko Ozawa.. This is one of the "important" episodes. No wonder there are over 500 comments here!
Ha ha. They have no idea who Seiji Ozawa is! He went on to become the longest serving music director of the Boston Sympony Orchestra and one of the greatest conductors of the 20th Century.
Alex Daniel its 1963 ... why would they.
***** No reason. I just find it funny. Especially considering most of their guess work leads most of them to thinking that he's an acrobat or circus performer.
***** Because Ozawa was assistant conductor to Leonard Bernstein of the N.Y. Symphony 1961-1962. It strikes me that, for all they knew about the theater, I've never heard the panelists talk about the symphony, and I'm not sure they were all that familiar with the opera.
Alex Daniel Unless he's continually getting public mention, no-one would know who he is, unless your into classical music and do your own research.
When contestant #1 signed in, I ran it, back-three times. This, certainly, isn't a "mystery guest." This was fine-now, to view it! Re: the mystery guests-I have the group's(now)50-year-old 'live' 2-LP set. It's wonderful. I, especially, love, "Paultalk." It's a twelve-minute segment, in which Mr. Stookey monologizes.
The original commercials and transitions add so much to a super fun episode! THANK YOU for all your hard work in posting these. We are grateful for this slice of history. :)
Thank you for having included the commercials. Frankly-growing up in the late '50's/early 1960's, those commercials were as entertaining as were the witty shows they supported. Over 50 years later, this stuff is still relevant and interesting!
I wonder how many musicians were able to make a living from performing in the creation of the jingles! I was surprised that that I still knew the sominex song by heart, and I never saw that product in our home!!
PP & M were HUGE recording and concert stars, and Mary Travers had a fabulous, soaring voice. Greatly missed.
I was lucky enough to meet them at a mixer after a concert in Houston. They were great & I loved them all but Mary the most!
I saw them from their beginning
Wonderful people with great voices
That blended so naturally and Mary
Wow.
They sang one month after this show in washington DC for justice and freedom.
Have you seen the Jack Benny episode they were on. It's one of my favorites.
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Wow, Seiji Ozawa in his younger days, before I even knew of his work (which was in the 80s). This show is an amazing treasure trove of vintage if not historical, memories. I'm so glad it's in RUclips.
Peter, Paul and Mary, amazing talents !!! Love everything they sang have 7 vinyl albums of theirs
Loved the corn flakes commercial telling how sweet and great it is, then putting a huge spoon of sugar on top...
I prefer being advised about Corn Flakes by Dennis James than the Beverly Hillbillies...
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Paul Duca, Kelloggs produced the show, not commercials featuring them.
The Clampetts don't eat cornflakes, they have possum dumplings for breakfast!
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At least it wasn't a cigarette commercial.
This aired on my birthday! That is, it was Beatles member Ringo Starr's 23rd birthday at the time. And also during then, Walt Disney's "Summer Magic", starring Hayley Mills and Burl Ives, was released. So this episode and that film had both turned 35 in 1998, when I was born on July 7 of that year. And Ringo Starr had turned 58.
Mr. Ozawa is still around. He was 27 in this clip! Wow!
Pretty amazing to see Seiji Ozawa show up and nobody knows who he is.
Fascinating factoid!
Not all that many years after this episode, the panel would have had to wear blindfolds with Seiji Ozawa as a contestant. Fun to see him in his early years, before he was well-known in the U.S. In 1973, he became Director of the Boston Symphony and held the post for 29 years.
Seiji Ozawa should be noted in the keywords. He wasn't world famous in 1963, but he is now.
Seiji Ozawa was music director of the Boston Symphony Orchestra from 1973 until 2002. His 29-year tenure was the longest in the history of the orchestra.
I saw him perform multiple times in Boston and at Tanglewood. A true legend.
How wonderful to see true ladies and gentlemen. They were all so mannerly and courteous to one another.
Yes, much like Noel Edmonds and Mr Blobby.
The fact that John Daly mentioned that he had been in Japan and spoke highly of the people there...that was very big for that time...the end of WW2 was less than 20 years beforehand...and there were still many that were against the Japanese people at this time. It was quite genuine of him to speak of the people there...not a political slant towards the ones who had attacked our country several decades beforehand.
Nowadays on TV commercials are about every seven minutes. It seems as though there is more commercial time than show time. Love "What's My Line."
Such a polite and nice bunch of people who had such laughs and great fun doing this show. TV was fun to watch then.
It certainly united the nation.
I received an LP record of Peter, Paul, and Mary for my birthday in 1974. I played that record several times. Some of the songs on that record were "Blowin' in the Wind," "I'm Leaving on a Jet Plane," " If I Had a Hammer," and "Puff, the Magic Dragon." They said that the song "Puff, the Magic Dragon" had nothing whatsoever to do with drugs. The song was about a young boy who had a make-believe dragon that he named "Puff." They said that they got so sick and tired of people lying and claiming that the song dealt with drugs when it definitely did not have anything whatsoever to do with drugs. I loved their style of music 🎶.
Blimey ! Dorothy guessed who the mystery guests were much more quickly than I thought she or the others would ! Very interesting to see a young Woody Allen on the panel ! I love the music of "Peter, Paul & Mary" so much ! So that made this episode a VERY special treat ! THANKS so much for sharing with us ! CHEERS !! :-)
Dorothy was a columnist who diligently kept up with which performers were in NY at any given time.
At the end, John includes in the address for sending in requests to be on the show as "New York 22, New York", even though ZIP codes had gone into effect on July 1 of that year. The topic was discussed a few months back when the Postmaster General was a contestant. When this show aired, the correct address would have ended with "New York 10022, New York". Minor point, of course, since there would not have been any real confusion during the transition to the new system, but I think interesting in a historical sense.
I need to amend my post. The proper address was New York, New York 10022. My original post put the zip code in the wrong location. Note to self: when correcting something, make sure to do it correctly.
Everyday habits take time to form, and a lot of time to break. My dad wrote addresses that way for years, many people did. Placing the full zip code at the very end, hopefully even sticking out a bit, became essential as mail sorting procedures changed. Mail handlers needed to flip through stacks of mail scanning just the zip rather than reading the whole address.
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Great full episode! The first contestant Seiji Ozawa is still alive and despite health setbacks continues to work when he can He will be 80 a year from this September first!
He'll be 88 next month, and still going strong.
Posting much appreciated. I remember the original airing and later became a huge Peter, Paul & Mary fan, so I have been looking for it. Folk music at its absolute finest from this immensely talented, special trio. RIP Mary and PEACE & LOVE to all.
You're very welcome, Martha-- glad you enjoyed it!
I had clicked on this to see Woody Allen & P,P&M..., but seeing such a young Seiji Ozawa was an unexpected surprise! Have seen him at Tanglewood twice..., a truly gifted & talented conductor!
I saw Peter, Paul & Mary live in Sacramento on two occasions. They always gave a great concert.
Phil Tevlin - How lucky you were to have seen them. I bet they gave a wonderful performance.
@@shirleyrombough8173 Their concerts were so much fun. I saw them several times.
I think Arlene's a little high here on her pain pills from the car accident or maybe a few too many here, lol. I find her so precious and adorable. I can't get over how no matter what, she's always incredible elegant in a realistic way (as opposed to for example Miss Meadows who is totally glam). Arlene is a smart cookie. Loving this dress too. Wow.
Lily Bean I agree. Not on all cylinders. I think it really knocked her for six.
Lily: Miss Francis looked very sharp here...
Cup of black coffee for Miss Francis, please. That was a bit of a slight at the end to Woody Allen....."He wasn't much tonight, but when you see him perform....." Lol! It was okay, I'm sure, but I wish they'd have shown Woody's face.
I loved their music! R.I.P. Mary Travers
And their big hearts and work for charity and peace.
Tuxes and gowns, manners and style. We need that here and now.
My mistress wears a ball gown on a daily basis. She also wears a baby doll nightie when it’s time for our regular game of ‘Casanova’s Conjugals’ 🤵♂️
Have seen Maestro Ozawa conduct many Boston Symphony Orchestra at concerts at Tanglewood. What a fun surprise to find him on an episode of WML.😊 I was only 3 y/o when this was aired.
Came for Mary , noticed Woody , and now enters Seiji - Holy Moly , i'll grab myself a beer & enjoy this top 5 episode thoroughly
Seiji Ozawa. Speechless. He was all of 27 here. He studied with Charles Munch, Herbert von Karajian, and Pierre Monteaux. He studied at Tanglewood and won The Koussevitzky Prize in 1960. He assisted Leonard Bernstein for 4 years. His first professional assignment conducting The San Francisco Orchestra came in 1962. In late 1962, seven months before this broadcast, he was involved in a rather strange controversy involving the NHK Network Symphony Orchestra: some of its musicians refused to work with him. So off he went to conduct the rival Japan Philharmonic Orchestra. So, what has your kid done lately?
Wow-- as I said in another comment, I'm really not familiar with Ozawa. Somewhat surprising to me that anti-Japanese sentiment was still that strong in 1962 in the U.S. Or was that not the issue?
NHK is a Japan TV network, so the problem had something to do with him personally.
soulierinvestments Ah, okay. Interesting info from you as always.
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I did not know all that about Ozawa's history, but as I mentioned in my reply to Aleta Curry's comment, above, the fact that he had already established that much of a name for himself by the time this episode was taped makes it even more astonishing that the panel had no clue who he was!
I saw him perform as director of the Boston Symphony when I was a student at Northeastern U. He was a very dynamic person.
"Variety" the show business newspaper, used to print in every issue who was in town, both in NYC and Hollywood, and I'm sure Dorothy kept abreast of these comings and goings.
This is great stuff! The only thing that would make it better would be if Dorothy had explained a lilttle bit on how she guessed PP&M. This show aired only 7 months before the Beatles appeared on Ed Sulllivan, and changed the music world.
"Classic music is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you get." -- Seiji Ozawa
Love the ones that show the old time commercials.
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9:35 14:49 23:13 *Love* that sly adorable smile Dorothy gives when she's onto something! She comes across very intelligent throughout these episodes. Even though the show is well before my time, I'd probably have had a crush on this lady if I'd been born much earlier. (I'm 30 now, and she was 50 in this clip, but she's very pretty for her age).
Aye, laddie. These washed-out old video tapes don't do her justice.
For her age🤣 you didn’t have to tell yours
Mr Daly was the announcer who told America that Pearl Harbor was bombed that Sunday morning. Wonder how folks of that generation felt about people from Japan? It was about 20 years after the war. Mr Osawa would have been a very young child during those years.
There was still a lot of resentment towards Japan at this time, just18 years after the war. But Japan was being run by warlords up until they lost the war. It would make no sense to hold Japanese artists who were children during the war responsible for anything that their government did.
Ignorance causes people to not be able to mentally remove citizens of a rival nation from the warmongering powers that be, that ultimately drag a country into war with another. But with all respect, there were painful, lingering memories in the minds of direct participants in that horror, and I believe it in important to consider their feelings and how long deep scars take to heel.
the 1963 newport folk festival was a huge hit, bob dylan, joan baez, there's a lot of video of the concert.
Wow!! Never thought peter paul and mary would be on this show!! Just discovered the show a few days ago and its awesome
The biggest stars of the time appeared as guests (and on the panel), which goes to show just how intelligent and respected this show and John and the panel were.
That was Ted Mack doing the Sominex ad, wasn't it?
It makes me pay attention more when I hear John address "Mr. Allen". I unconsciously, at least for a split second, expect Steve or Fred.
Possibly the most versatile name plate on WML if they used the same one for all three. But there were four panelists over the years whose name ended in those letters, seeing that Dorothy Kilgallen's name also ends with "allen".
@Robert Melson. Lol. I did too- especially since Steve Allen was a panelist quite often.
The upcoming Newport Folk Festival that Peter speaks of will be a seminal event that unleashes Bob Dylan onto the world. It is the first of his 3 appearances at that festival. Bob had just released his second album (a personal favorite of mine) and he was just becoming known outside of the folkie community,
Watching these episodes is so much fun! I was around 9 years old when this show was on tv! I actually love watching the commercials, too!
Woody Allen's question to the lobster lady about whether the item she is associated with is dangerous is hilarious - particularly so as in one of his movies that he made a decade later, Diane Keaton calls him over due to an emergency in her house - a lobster that escaped out of a container in her kitchen!
That was from "Annie Hall", his most famous film ever.
I remember thinking about the exact same "Annie Hall" moment when I first watched this show!
"It's the size of a Buick!"
Paul Duca You probably know this full well already, but the spider was the size of a Buick. The lobsters were just. . . well. . . "lobster-sized". :)
BV
You and David Von Pein must have been posting around the same time and sharing brainwaves -- he posted a link to the clip you referenced in a separate comment, above yours. It does seem remarkably apropos to Woody Allen's own questioning of the lobster seller. I wonder if he had that in mind at all when he wrote the scene.
I had to watch this when I saw it listed. Not too long ago, we met Peter Paul and Mary at RennFest. We shared a table and they introduced themselves that way, then he clarified and said he was Peter Paul and his wife was Mary Paul :)
P,P & M always gave a fantastic concert--I saw them live on two occasions.
I was fortunate to see them live three times in Toronto, during the 1980's. Twice at Roy Thompson Hall and once at Massey Hall.
I went to two of their concerts in the sixties, both at Kent State University. (This was before the May 4th, 1970 shootings.)
Thank you so much for posting these videos.
PP&M were hilarious 😆. They will always be on my favorites list.
I absolutely adore watching them now since I heard but never saw them before..
WML was one of the very few programs from that time that featured guests from all races.
Dorothy - a true genius.
I really like her a lot. Very very smart, very pretty, the pinnacle of class.
I saw PP&M in concert a few times. It was amazing to see three generations of people in the audience all singing along. I saw Mary one time solo years ago at a concert. She was wonderful and took requests but would not sing "Puff the Magic Dragon" without Peter and Paul. I loved them and the first album I ever received as a Christmas present was "Moving" in monaural since my parents did not yet buy a stereo. Memories!
Indeed! One of my favorite things about seeing PP&M in person was the many generations singing along in the audience!
小澤征爾氏！？Oh my goodness, he is young in this clip! I wonder if Japanese TV stations are aware of this appearance of his in an American quiz show...they'd probably want to get their hands on this one.
Is that “Ozawa” in Chinese? I’m just curious:)
@@caraevans2609 No, it's "Ozawa Seiji" in Japanese.
Arlene was gorgeous. Especially in the strapless gown.
Even better in the gownless strap!
Yes, Yes!!@@LANCSKID
There's almost a degree of poignancy to this appearance, which was filmed a year or two before American involvement in Vietnam. PP & M would become one of a few groups who sang such stirring & touching anti-war melodies.
Well observed! ❤ 👏🏼
Don't forget the significance of the events in Dallas later this same year of 1963, that would see a President committed to ending our involvement in Vietnam being violently replaced with another President all too happy to rev up the war machine.
Peter Paul and Mary, the sound of my youth. 🎵🎵🎶
Boy was Mary Travers tall, and with a lovely voice. My favorite PP&M songs: "500 Miles" and "Day Is Done". R.I.P., Mary.
I'm surprised that the panel didn't recognize Seiji Ozawa. I guess they're more from the theatrical world rather than the classical music world. His recording with Mstislav Rostropovich of the Prokofiev and Shostakovich cello concerti is the best by far.
I think his appearance on this episode was before he became so very well known.
I love the bit of sassiness from the Lobster lady. And Dorothy was annoyed when the occupation was revealed.
Very
I'd be annoyed too, after hearing the product described as "fish".
@@kentetalman9008*shellfish
One of the greatest family t.v shows. Peter, Paul and Mary a great group. My favorite song Puff the Magic Dragon still love this group and song
At that time it was probably believed that people like Peter Paul and Mary and folk music would be the 'new' hip sound but then came THE BEATLES, THE WHO, HENDRIX and like, wowwwww!!! At this point they have NO IDEA of what's about to hit em!! I LOVE that. :)
What's about to hit them more immediately is Bob Dylan, for the upcoming Newport Folk Festival that Peter speaks of here will introduce Bob to a much wider audience. Beatlemania, meantime, has already gripped parts of Europe, but Capitol execs weren't interested in the Beatles and other problems kept the Beatles, for the most part, off American airwaves until Dec, '63. The Beatles would arrive at JFK in Feb '64 and American pop culture would change forever.
The questions Woody asked of the Lobster Seller reminded me of the lobster cooking scene in Annie Hall
I was fortunate to see Seiji Ozawa on a Wednesday afternoon concert as guest conductor of the NY Symphony Orchestra in 1969-70.
Interesting that no one on the panel knew Ozawa in 1963.
The same day my mother was born...July 7, 1963!
Then I am 19 days older than your mother. Now, get off my lawn, whippersnapper!
Who cares!!!
Exactly one month before mine.
If the broadcast date is correct D Kilgallen is 50 here looking closer to 30. Beautiful, elegant, refined and gone way too soon. X
Dorothy was lovely and very sophisticated.
@bellend2463 Broadcast date is correct - July 7, 1963
The second Kellogg's commercial [19:03] was originally seen in 1962 (I saw it during a "PETE AND GLADYS" episode). The "neighborhood" the car pulls up in was on the "Columbia Ranch" back lot, where their "neighborhood block" was seen in their countless sitcoms from the '50s into the '70s- in fact, that section was where the Baxter house was located on "HAZEL"- and eventually, where Samantha & Darrin later lived on 'BEWITCHED".
Interesting
Thank you for this!! I was 10 years old when that episode was filmed.
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So was I! I guess you and me went to different high schools together!
I love seeing the original ads. So unsophisticated, just getting to the point.
RIP Seiji Ozawa.
Arlene Francis was a beautiful lady
I thought so, too....
I've said it before - Arlene had the most beautiful shoulders!
22:27 After all these years, Arlene still doesn't realize that when John changes the score, it means the answer is "no".
I was hoping that once it was established that Seiji Ozawa was someone would ask him if he played "longhair music". It was a question that was asked from time to time, but alas not this time. In later years, Mr. Ozawa has been known for his long hair, sometimes in a bowl cut and sometimes in what can best be described as a mane.
Woody Allen had a very funny scene in one of his films, where they did a parody of "What's My Line?".
Jack Barry was the host, and among the panel members were Robert Q. Lewis and Regis Philbin. The scene was also made into a fake kinescope, as a nice touch.
That was my very first exposure to this show-- I had never sen a single episode of WML before seeing Woody's version!
I saw that film. It's titled "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex.". The show was called "What's My Perversion?".
Incidentally, there is a WML parody in the original 1961 animated version of the Disney classic "101 Dalmatians". It was called "What's My Crime?".
64chromedome It was a great example of early, tasteless Woody Allen comedy.
64chromedome That parody was featured in the original 101 DALMATIONS novel...
I realize this is a very old comment, but I also recall an earlier film where WML was parodied (though not as elaborately). This is from "Take The Money And Run".
ruclips.net/video/5nNWIVkLJ-M/видео.html
They had three top ten songs in 1963.
Notice how chummy Peter Paul and Mary are with Woody. They both spent a lot of time in the early Village clubs.
poetcomic1 I WISH I was there to enjoy that Greenwich Village scene back then.
@@davidsanderson5918 Whatsamatter? You have a problem with 2020?
@@poetcomic1Lol, I LOVE good sarcasm!
I wonder: did "Peter, Paul and Mary," Seiji Ozawa, and Woody Allen ever appeared together again EVER somewhere other than this WML episode? The production staff did not realize then what an amazing line up they had gotten looking into the future.
I'm not all that familiar with Peter, Paul and Mary or Ozawa's careers, but certainly, Woody's great fame was yet to come. I believe I've read in bios of him that he had to be practically forced to do things like this by his managers, Rollins and Jaffee, for the national exposure it would provide. Seems like it sure worked!
P -P-M started performing in 1961, so all of them were relatively new on the scene.
soulierinvestments
An impressive line-up indeed!
soulierinvestments Absolutely. I'm sure both Woody and Arlene were laughing at every BSO Carnigie Hall opening after not getting this.
We had all of Peter, Paul and Mary's records. Lovely music.
What I love about this is that there was actually a time when Seiji Ozawa was not a household name!
Aleta Curry
Yes, it amazes me that the panel neither had to be blindfolded nor even introduced to him as Mr. X! And after watching the full segment and finding out that he had already won some major awards and positions in the world of music by that time, I am further surprised that none of the highly cultured panel regulars had any idea who he was but needed to identify his "line" through the usual question-and-answer process, just like any other contestant with a job outside the entertainment business. The other contestants I can think of who I was equally surprised were not recognized by the panel were Jacques Cousteau (who was introduced as Mr. X, I believe, but whom the panel did not know by sight) and Colonel Harland Sanders (of Kentucky Fried Chicken fame), who, like Ozawa, signed in under his own name and also looked every inch like his image on millions of cartons of fried chicken. I don't remember for sure whether either of those was in an episode before this one (I think Cousteau was, but not Col. Sanders -- is that right, What's My Line? ?), but I had watched the clips of both of those segments elsewhere on RUclips before I discovered this channel. As someone who grew up in the 1960s and 70s, it's hard to imagine a time when these people were not both household names and familiar faces.
SaveThe TPC Cousteau on 9/16/56. Col. Sanders on 12/1/63. Neither were the main mystery guest. Cousteau signed in as a "Mr. X", Col. Sanders was still unknown enough to sign in with his real name. No blindfolds on the panel for either segment.
What's My Line?
I *thought* I remembered seeing the full Cousteau episode on your channel already, and the 1956 date confirms that, just as the Dec. '63 date confirms that I haven't seen the full Col. Sanders episode yet. I remember both segments well from when I first saw them as clips elsewhere on RUclips, though, because I was so amazed by the fact that the panel did not need to be blindfolded for either of them and that Col. Sanders didn't even have to hide his name or try to dress differently from the very distinctive and memorable style that I associate with him.
@@WhatsMyLine I am reminded of the Fred Allen tribute show, aired the night after his sudden death. Cyd Charisse was the MG, but the three "regular" contestants were Jacques Plante (future NHL Hall of Famer), Mrs. Jules Lederer (aka Ann Landers), and Toshiko Akiyoshi (future jazz great). Lots of wow factor thinking about what the future held for each, as well as lots of tears with the tributes to dear Mr. Allen.
You do realize, of course, that most famous people were unknown when young.
I absolutely adore Peter, Paul and Mary.
Ozawa was our San Francisco Symphony Conductor . He is so young looking in this video.
Dan Celli one of the greatest.
He's vile
Seiji Ozawa - the famous conductor before he became so famous!
An actual commercial in this video. This is a first.
$3.00 in 1963 would be $23.26 in 2014 given the inflation factor.
Yes if you use BS government inflation numbers. I seem to recall buying individual serving size of 2 - 2 oz. hostess chocolate cupcakes for 25 cents and I was born in 1956 but other than food things have gone up even more than that. Apparently thar cupcake size has been reduced 20% too.
Seiji Ozawa was the first guest, before he was well known.
Seji Osawa was the headcontuctor of Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra! He contucted the famous New Years Concert! I know him only wit his white(gray) hair! He was verry handsome in the sixties!
I never realized how gorgeous Arlene Francis was.
Radiant, lovely, charming, glamorous, classy lady!
Her eyes are a bit puffy in this period, to be fair. For a year or two prior to the accident she looked AMAZING!! Big eyes, loose soft hair, great look....she was stunning then.
She's not quite her usual sultry self here.....yet. I don't think.
Bob Hay: yeah, she was a babe, I can see how Martin stayed with her...
Like my naughty Auntie Jennifer.
He’s a conductor and doesn’t play an instrument. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
I know! i’d say - or guess, whatever - that about 99% of conductors are extremely good pianists. Interesting, eh? (Maybe he was just being a little modest… He didn’t rate himself as enough of a virtuoso, perhaps , to call himself a “pianist,” c.f., the virtuosi he and his orchestras accompanied …- ? -_Ahh, well. ( Sorta like Hector Berlioz. 1 of the very few great composers who didn’t play an instrument well at all…)
He doesn't play an instrument IN HIS LINE. He conducts the ones that do.
Mr. Ozawa was an aspiring pianist before he broke two fingers in a sports injury.
it seems Allen is the #1 surname of male panelists
You are probably correct, as far as MALE panelists. This is the episode where "Allen" surges into the lead as far as panelists' names. It will be tied, however by "Douglas" (Melvyn, Mike, and Anne). Second place is "Lewis" (Robert Q. and Jerry), Cerf (Bennett and Phyllis), Andrews (Dana and Eamonn), Hayes (Peter Lind and Margaret), Mason (James and Pamela), Grey (Joel and Coleen), Price (Vincent and Roger), Cook (Peter and Sarah), Carson (Johnny and Jeannie), Young (Robert and Gig), Powell (Dick and Jane), and Hoffman (Harold and Richard, though technically Richard had 2 'n's in his last name). There could be others that I can't think of off the top of my head or find with a quick scan. I definitely did NOT conduct an exhaustive search. Someone with a searchable database might find something surprising.
Allen Konigsberg = Woody Allen
Fun to see the original commercials for a change! I wonder, in the Kellogg's "Request Pack" commercial, was that a 1962 Dodge Dart station wagon?
Looked like it to me, we used to have a 62 Dodge Dart sedan.
I did not know who Mr. Ozawa was until this show. I've learned a lot from watching these.
Great 2 c Peter Paul and Mary on the show.I was a big fan even as a child.
This may have been the first episode in which the show tried to reach out to younger audiences. Woody Allen and Peter, Paul, & Mary were not from the Golden Age of Hollywood. They were from the newer, modern era of Hollywood, which began in the early 1960's, and continues today.
The show would gradually continue this trend, well into the original show's ending in 1967, and during the Syndicated revival, the trend was as common as ever.
Yes, as Bob Dylan famously sang, "The Times They Are a-Changin'".
Well they did have Chubby Checker on in 1962, but by then the Twist was an adult thing.
Joe Postove My point was that most younger people of today would know who Woody Allen and Peter, Paul, & Mary are, than with, say, Arthur Godfrey for example.
Although, yes, you could also make a case with Chubby Checker as well.
Undoubtedly this is an outreach to a younger audience. But done before. Before this, WML booked Rick Nelson, Fabian, and Paul Anka as mystery guests. And there were some young contestants -- Henry Makow comes to mind.
Wasn't Anka on the panel before this episode?
They even had Sal Mineo on before, when they asked if he was a leading man and he asked John, "What do I say "I'm 18". Dorothy even adds later, "My daughter would consider you a leading man."
Peter Paul and Mary were the hottest thing on the airwaves at this time.
the Kingston Trio - who would appear on WML a month after this -
were just nearing the end of their stratospheric popularity - which had begun in 1958 with Tom Dooley.
i can't believe that bennett cerf was so negative about dorothy in his later years when it always seemed like they got on pretty well during her lifetime. for example, when dorothy guesses peter, paul and mary out of nowhere bennett can be heard saying "well done dorothy" while laughing with arlene replying "AGAIN!" because they were so shocked she got it. i just struggle to understand why they would emphasise how competitive they were years after her death when it appears here like the whole set up was lighthearted and enjoyable for all
Maybe he was sore at her for being so sloppy with the medications and libations (if that's how she died). Sad resentment to ease the pain.
I think Bennett would have secretly been resentful/jealous of Dorothy’s superior game playing and sharp mind. Bennett had his own intelligence and business skill but he was no match for Dorothy at this game. This would irk many men from that era at the time.
However they truly felt about each other, they would have kept their feelings out of their performances. I think the audience and watchers would have been turned off by excessive snarkiness from the panelists.
The only way I cd. remember which guy was which was “Paul’s tall and Pete’s neat”. I was 12 when their first album came out, had grown up on AM rock stations-don’t remember if they got airplay on them but a buds older brother played that album for us and I was enthralled. When I bought their LP’s I noticed that they recorded several songs by some guy named Bob Dylan. Little did we know what he was to become. And, of course, developed a huge crush on Mary-R.I.P.
I have to say it...that strapless gown on Arlene is a tease!
Joe Postove Yeah and to think she was about 55 here at a time.
Women are beautiful at all ages.
You should see her in a gownless strap!
I loved Peter,Paul and Mary when I was young.All the best!