I just love the banter between Bennett Cerf and John Daly on nearly all of these shows. You can tell they deeply loved one another and held each other in warm, high regard.
Miss Patch was so cute and so "on". Hope she did well in life after her childhood. The tea tester line was great! Ms Gingold was fabulous. I always remember her saying one word in 'The Music Man" movie... "Balzack"
Apparently Miss Patch has indeed had a very rewarding life. In reading up on her, it's hard to imagine that the reason she took up puppetry was to help relieve her of extreme shyness. She is such a bubbly dynamo on this show. A real joy to watch.
Consider Tom Poston. Funny guy. His expansive television career covered the better part of five decades -- from Steve Allen's "Tonight Show" to "The Suite Life of Zack and Cody." He contributed his comedic talents to made-for-TV movies to variety programs to situation comedies to talk shows to voice-overs for cartoons. When Mel Brooks first submitted his idea for the sitcom "Get Smart" to the ABC network, ABC wanted Poston for the lead role of Maxwell Smart, which is a pretty good idea. He earned exactly one Emmy Award, but should have earned a second one for his work in "Newhart."
Tom Poston as Maxwell Smart would, of course, have been a completely different "Get Smart", possibly as good, but I tend to doubt it. It's hard for me to imagine anyone else in a role so owned by the actor who played him as Don Adams did Maxwell Smart. I can't picture Poston doing the physical humor Don Adams excelled at, an element which wasn't strongly present when the series first started but was emphasized more and more when the writers and producers caught on to how much it added to the show. It's similar to the way Inspector Clouseau's clumsiness and indecipherable accent became exaggerated about halfway through the second Clouseau film, "A Shot in the Dark"..(Clouseau being another role so owned by its actor, Peter Sellers, I can't picture anyone else in the part. The Steve Martin films don't exist as far as I'm concerned!)
What's My Line? Believe it or not, Tom Poston also, in addition to nine years as a regular on "To Tell The Truth" (1958-1967) also briefly hosted a Goodson-Todman game show in 1959-60 called "Split Personality" that didn't last long. Only the pilot exists.
Don Adams' clipped speech patterns saying his handful of stock phrases ("Sorry about that chief" "Missed by that much" and so on) also were a huge part of the character, something that Tom Poston could not have brought to the show. Of course, Adams was basically playing the same character he played on the Bill Dana Show (Glick, the Hotel Detective), on Dickey's slacks commercials (this time as Freebish, talking to Glick on the phone) and as the voice of Inspector Gadget. Adams also did great double takes, like the one he did when Barbara Feldon reassured him, "You're twice the agent 43 is, 86." Oh Max!
Both ladies, Dorothy and Arlene, are nice, but Arlene is more relaxed and very charming and humorous. Dorothy is always a bit tense. The looks of Arlene, actually in other episodes even more than this time, are more striking than Dorothy's. But both are very appropriate for this programme..
@@preppysocks209 Same here. This is the first live episode in two months, so I was curious to see if any of them would seem to have aged noticeably in the interim, as sometimes is the case between one television season and the next. I felt that Arlene looked older because of her hairstyle and perhaps because of having endured the effects of her automobile accident.
At some point during this season (probably beginning with this episode), CBS replaced their old TK-10 and TK-11 television cameras in their studios on both coasts with British-manufactured Marconi Mark IV monochrome cameras. The Mark IV cameras would also be used on that historic night The Beatles performed on Ed Sullivan on February 9, 1964. WML would continue to use the Mark IV cameras, until September 1966. By that time, they would now be using Phillips PC-60. They were the ones with the Green, Blue, Red, and Yellow CBS Color stickers on the cameras.
Gingold was asked by Russell Harty "How does your cat masticate?" And she gave him a look & said with a twinkle in her eye "Very Carefully!" She was once playing a maid who was supposed to come on stage pushing a drinks trolley to a couple on a love seat. She may have had a nip of something herself. The trolley came on first, skidded across the stage & ended up in the Orchestra Pit. Her distinctive voice was heard from rhe wings saying "The train approaching Platform 1 (Hiccup!) Is going to be late!"
The blindfolded panelists still don't understand that when Daly doesn't change the score, the previous answer is "yes". They should know that, after all these years.
To fool the panel, Marilyn should have changed her appearance and toned down her natural exuberance. Found this from a 2009 interview: "If you're a Howdy Doody fan, you might know her better as Marilyn Patch, who played Doodyville schoolteacher "Happy Harmony" on "The New Howdy Doody Show" for 130 episodes back in '76." (She was also on with Buffalo Bob.) "Dr. Marilyn Arnone has been doing her part to educate kids in entertaining ways ever since she hosted her own children's show called "Marilyn and Calico" at the age of eleven. Dr. Arnone is a Harvard grad with a PHd who is currently the director of educational media for Syracuse University's Center for Digital Literacy, in addition to being co-founder and president of Creative Media Solutions."
I always remember how funny Hermione was married to the great Paul Ford in The Music Man. I can still hear her say 'BAAAALLLLLZZZZAC!" When complaining about the risque books in Marion's library.
Hermoine had one of the great voices among female actresses of that period. Hard to disguise. Dorothy does not have much to say to her --- and no wonder: she and Jack Paar regularly knocked pieces off her on his talk shows.
soulierinvestments There was another individual of whom Dorothy was enemies with: Ol' Blue Eyes himself, Frank Sinatra. And oddly enough, Dorothy was even seen shaking hand with Nancy Sinatra and her then husband, Tommy Sands, on the 2/28/65 show
I thought that Marilyn was quite entertaining. I think it's a bit unfair to judge her based on the standards of today. As you can see from the other comments, she went on to have an interesting career in children's television, working with puppets. The interview with her from a few years ago is really interesting ... she still has a bubbly personality. Perfect for children's television programming.
@@lllowkee6533 Too animated? She had more charisma and stage/camera presence than many of the celebrity guests who make their livings on stage and camera. She was wonderful.
She is now a research professor and professor of practice at Syracuse University's School of Information Studies, and co-director of the Center for Digital Literacy and currently as interim associate director for Cotelco (North), the Collaboration Laboratory.
So many people attacking the little girl as putting on an act, but perfectly fine with so many of the adult celebrities playing their public personas are warmly embraced.
Hermione Gingold went on Jack Paar with a picture of Dorothy Kilgallen framed with a toilet seat. A feud resulted. Note Dorothy's initial reaction when HG is revealed, but smiled when they shook hands.
Marilyn Patch was absolutely adorable with her bouncy curls, sweet tilting voice, and vibrant confidence! I always enjoy seeing Tom Poston being a hilarious dork on TTTT, and though it's too bad he didn't get more questioning time in this episode, he did a great job in figuring out the tea!
When Darcy Lynn won America's got talent as the ventriloquist I naturally assumed she was the first little girl ventriloquist but this girl was doing it back in the 50s.
First contestant: Wooo energy. Good handwriting and a lot of personality for a kid. Dead giveaway of a TV performer. It would be darned interesting if any videotapes of her show survive after all these years --the concept seems a trifle creepy what with the ringlets and the belting. WML had an interest in employed children and liked to put them on as often as possible. Henry Makow and trapeze artist Ray Valentine come to mind.
soulierinvestments There was also an 8-year-old boy named Larry Leake, who specialized in Trick Billiard Shots. He was on the first color videotaped edition of the show on 9/11/66.
At 5:39 John Daly is being gentlemanly to a fault when he tells Marilyn the reason she was guessed so quickly is because of her 'presence'. To be more accurate, her arch, coy, simpering manner screamed 'Child star molded by Mama Rose!' at every turn. A more hideously artificial example of an audience-panderer would be difficult to imagine.
Jason Hurd I'm glad you said it not me. I thought American kids only talked like that in low budget B films....."Ok Mr Daly!!" (blink blink), "It sure is, Mr Daly!!"....."Gee Mr Daly, that's SWELL!"
The kind of child star that makes you want to throw up in disgust, and feel deeply sorry for at the same time. Shirley Temple seemed to have survived, so hopefully, so did this poor little artificial personality.
my gosh- first contestant, a little girl ventriloquist and they ask her to sing a song? why in the world didn't they ask her to demonstrate her ability as a ventriloquist?
They didn't do that until the syndicated version. That's the only thing that bothers me about the "real" version, no one gets to demonstrate their talent, or very rarely.
I was just a bit weirded out by the very pretty Miss Patch. Perhaps this was a performance and that was her style. But it reminded me of "Whatever Happened To Baby Jane" in that she acted and dressed in a manner more befitting the 1920's rather than 1963. Was she dressed for show or what? A 12 year old girl wouldn't have that hair style and be dressed like that normally, then, would she?
Joe Postove I think it was her mother's style, dreaming of her as a new Shirley Temple, and already having a Television-Show on her own. (The girl was pretty, but her hairstyle/outfit, well eh...)
Joe Postove It's very tempting to comment on that "be-laced muffin" of a dress, and rococo hair, but I rather not. I better remind myself of being a very polite person, and by the way go to bed. After all, it's soon 02 a.m. up here. ;)
Arlene Francis from the moment she steps out from behind the curtain really shows an unusual chicness to the way she is dressed. She is very smartly dressed her earrings really enhanced her clothes her hair is styled really well. She just comes across as if she could walk down a street in 2022 and look perfectly marvelous.
Oh...John didn't have to give Marilyn Patch's line over so soon. It's a long way from being on television and even having a puppet show to ventriloquism. Indeed Miss Patch looked rather surprised that John threw all the cards over so soon.
SuperWinterborn Joe Postove I agree with both of you. She indeed seemed almost horrified when John first gave away the ventriloquism bit, but she recovered nicely. I was also annoyed with Dorothy for not giving the little girl a break! Dorothy was so used to playing competitively, I think, that when she felt like she was really onto Marilyn's line, she just couldn't stop herself from plowing all the way through. I think she felt bad about it afterwards -- it looked/sounded like she was kind of apologizing to her when they shook hands at the end of the segment. Nice that John broke from his usual "no performance" policy and let Marilyn sing a song. I read the comment above by +ta2686, which mentions Marilyn Patch's later work and was glad to know that she went on to have a successful career in both media and education. I looked her up myself and found a very interesting, fairly recent interview with her, which mentions this WML appearance in some detail: hkfilmnews.blogspot.com/2009/12/marilyn-patch-arnone-interview.html.
SaveThe TPC She had obviously looked forward to play the game with these grown-ups, and surely had planned well how to answer too. It must have been a great disappointment to her, being given away that soon. Not a very understanding attitude from either side of the panel here. But this was the time, when Dr. Spock and his sometimes hair-raising advices was "in", and sigh...
SuperWinterborn It's also an interesting coincidence to me that I have stumbled across so much information about little Marilyn's adult career so soon after we played our own little guessing game about my line -- and so soon after my return to work from summer vacation as well. I have now followed up on a number of articles, interviews, and other informational sources about Professor Marilyn Arnone, which have been kindly linked by other commenters in various threads on this page. Her work is very relevant to my own profession as a school librarian, and I'm likely to be looking into it further when I have a chance. As for Dr. Spock, his baby and childcare book was the most popular and oft-quoted reference source for parents when I was growing up. I referred to an updated edition of it often when my own kids were babies and small children as well. I have to admit that I'm not aware of the type of controversial, "hair-raising" advice by him that you mentioned. He always seemed pretty sensible to me in terms of medical stuff. I can't say I ever really referred to his book for psychological advice and don't know if my parents did either, so maybe that's why I'm in the dark about that.
SaveThe TPC I don't doubt that in general Spock's advices were both reasonable and good, especially to those who grew up with parents following a much worse tradition. But as it is when a book/an advicer becomes popular, people do interprete the theories their own way, very often taking things too literally. Like my aunt, who *never* picked up the baby when it was crying, unless it was mealtime. "Healthy to their lungs", you know? ;) (My granny, a strict, but warm-hearted woman, was furious about this, but couldn't be there all the time) It took her children years to forgive my aunt.
Marilyn Patch's appreance looks like Shirley Temple meets Rhoda Penmark. Marilyn's voice rather sounds familar, was she the voice of Penny in The Rescuers (1977)?
A couple years earlier John had married a woman fourteen years younger than him, but even if this was a reference to John's wife, it was still a pretty cheap shot by Bennett.
Brace yourself: the full title of Hermoine's flop was " Oh Dad, Poor Dad, Mamma's Hung You in the Closet and I'm Feelin' So Sad: A Pseudoclassical Tragifarce in a Bastard French Tradition." What's left to do on the stage. Arthur L. Kopit 's sort of funny sort of tragic play opened off-Broadway in 1962 and moved to the Morosco Theatre for 47 performances on Broadway in 1963. Hermione portrayed "Madame Rosepettle" and an early Sam Waterston portrayed her son. The film version of this thing noted in its ads that "It does for mothers what "Moby Dick" did for whales." Somehow I doubt it.
+soulierinvestments Oh Dad was hardly a flop - it had a successful off-Broadway run (with Jo Van Fleet as Rosepettle) - so successful that it toured the country with Miss Gingold, after which it came in to have its B'way run.
Such a cute girl 12-year-old Marilyn Patch is here. She wrote a story about her experience in 2006. www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/episode-680-97685/trivia/
Do you guys really think that by putting down a little girl, you're being funny? cause you're really not! That little girl was DARLING. She certainly was PEPPY lol (and she kinda looked and sounded like a little Shirley Temple there when she sang)
Not a remark anyone would be likely to make nowadays, that's for sure. And John's response doesn't make much sense, either-- "That's the nicest thing the old goat has said about me in a long time". Huh?
What's My Line? For not to be too judgemental; They both *might* have been referring to an intern joke backstage before the show, which had nothing to do with the little girl at all, but in general. Wasn't Daly's 2nd wife much younger than him?
SuperWinterborn Oh, I honestly don't think there's much question what Bennett's joke was referring to-- he was implying a penchant for young girls. But this having aired 50 years ago, I'm also sure that no one back then would have been thinking what we naturally think today when hearing a joke like that.
What's My Line? Like so many others around, I have also noticed Bennett's eh... penchant in that field, but I guess I just didn't want it to be so... ;)
Why did Daly start with Killgalen for the first contestant? I would have loved to see Arlene interact with her and then have Dorothy play the game straight, like she always did.
Johnny Olsen was one of the all time great announcers. However one could not say he had a resonant timberous voice of some like Tony Marvin (of Arthur Godfrey's Show) or Don Pardo (of many game shows) but he had a clear very pleasing sound. One that earned him a fortune. However, and maybe I notice this as one who was in radio for many years, there are times when he has a deeper, richer, quality to his voice. I think lots of men can identify with this as "morning voice", the kind of voice that when you wake up in the morning makes you think you have the pipes to be a great announcer. I think tonight, Johnny had somewhat of a morning voice. By the way, and I've brought this up before, did anyone EVER just once say "thanks Johnny"?
I've always been somewhat baffled by some of the voices who made it big as announcers. Some of the really big ones didn't have what I'd consider "announcer's voices" at all. George Fenneman had what I think of as an announcer's voice. But Bill Goodwin? Especially Bill Goodwin! Harry Von Zell, also, had a very pleasant voice and was a talented comic actor, but lacked the rich, full sound I associate with an announcer's voice. Even Don Wilson, who did have a deep, resonant vocal quality, is far from what I'd consider the classic sound of a announcer. I think the less well known an announcer was, the more generically typical their voices had to be.
There were other qualities that a man (at that time it was just men) could bring to the announcer's audition rather than just resonant vocal quality. That by itself got you into the door, and no one I ever knew in radio would not have sold their soul for a John Daly or Tony Marvin set of pipes. But, especially later on, other criteria became as important as that and could be more important if one was gifted otherwise. Good timing in reading commercials, cheerfulness, clarity of speech, authoritativeness and other qualities that someone like Johnny possessed could make up for a lack of resonance, and a deep throated sound.
Joe Postove All very true. But now explain Bill Goodwin. :) I never could stand Bill Goodwin-- not his voice, his manner, his acting chops, nor the character he played as announcer for Burns and Allen for 10 years (he portrayed an arrogant playboy whom women fell over themselves to date, despite the fact that he was average-looking at best). What really amazes me is how often he botched the actual commercial copy on the live B&A TV shows. Not full blown bloopers, or anything, but regularly flubbed words, stuttering, and bland delivery. If there's one quality you'd expect an announcer to have, it would be the ability to read a commercial smoothly! I'm just glad Harry Von Zell replaced him starting in the second season of the TV show. I have a rare video of an old "Tomorrow" show with Tom Snyder circa 1978 where his guests are Von Zell, Fenneman, and Don Wilson (and a 4th guy who I don't know so I can't recall his name-- I think he was more of a local LA announcer-type). If you'd like to see it, send me a private message and we'll arrange something. I have no plans on posting it to RUclips any time soon, because it belongs on the Vintage Comedy Vault channel and I cant post anything there until the copyright strikes on that channel clear (if they ever do).
Agree with you on Bill Goodwin. Sometimes the non talented slip though. Think Robert Q Lewis (who at least had some vocal quality, but was disagreeable from start to finish).
What's My Line? Goodwin was better on radio for Burns And Allen because he could more easily put down George. The problem was that he couldn't play the same character on TV because as you said, he didn't match his radio image at all and couldn't do the spots he'd been accustomed to on radio.
@@jvcomedy When I was Marilyn's age, I went after girls that looked like Miss Johnson, but it took me a decade to finally catch one. Have you ever seen a stranger looking script "J?"
She was born to be in front of the camera. Her parents were in show business and she probably got her confidence from them. I just don't know why she never became a bigger name.
Compared to the way current day government schools have destroyed the social and communication skills of most children, it would naturally seem odd to anyone today to meet a child with an actual personality.
@@funzo1159 She did. She was Happy Harmony on the 1970s version of Howdy Doody. She's Dr Marilyn Arnone at Syracuse university, teaching how technology affects education.
At 14:37, after an exchange about inadvertently swallowing tea leaves, Posten said, "I've heard that some people smoke that stuff and I don't see how they ...." He sure wasn't alluding to Tetley's tea, so what was he alluding to? Bueller?
@@slaytonp “Tea” as slang for marijuana goes back to the 1930s at least. Hipper show biz people and particularly musicians would be very familiar with the term.
@@tterrace It astounds me at how ignorant we were. I was born in 1934 in Reno, Nevada. My Dad was born and raised there, too. My grandfather was variously Governor of the State, a Congressman and Senator, and we were totally uninformed about drugs, let alone terms like 'tea." I think we had about two users of mamajuana when I was in high school, and the rest of us were shocked--thought it was really hard stuff. Odd world it was.
Mark Kallenbach Thank you for that link! I just watched the video and found it fascinating. I even remember watching "Pappyland" with my own kids when they were small. Nice to see she grew up so well. Sometimes being in the limelight at such a young age can have a detrimental effect on kids.
SaveThe TPC This time my memory fails me, because I don't remember them :) My age is not any secret anymore, due to my discussions with Joe, who's exactly 6 days older than me. I got my kids late, but if you had yours around "the usual time", you're 10-12 years younger than me, and a few years older than Gary, who's 41. ;)
SuperWinterborn My age will be changing quite soon, but as of my last birthday, I liked to tell people that "I am finally playing with a full deck." ;)
Yeah, so I think it's safe to assume most children from the 60s didn't act like the first contestant. I am convinced that either she was a robot of some sort created to appear as the "perfect" child or she's a puppet who magically came to life (let's hope she didn't turn out to be evil and rebel against the human race that created her in either case). You know, honestly, she was just trying a bit too hard to be sort of like Shirley Temple but without Shirley's natural charm. The way John repeats "we wish we had it, but we ain't" cracked me up. Sounds like a humdinger of a song. And it didn't seem at all like her parents were using her in order to possibly improve their songwriting careers at all...it's not like it seems they were hoping a major network might want her for a show so their music would reach a national level of attention. I'm not being cynical at all, I just, you know, got a certain vibe when she was speaking. She didn't really hesitate to sing either.
Color videotape survives of Tom Poston et al on CBS Network "To Tell the Truth" 1967. Still gripes me that no color videotape survives from 1966-7 WML.
soulierinvestments There are rumors that the 1967 finale survives on color videotape. But what I can't figure out is how did these rumors spread? Maybe they were started by someone who works closely with Jonathan Goodson, Mark Goodson's son.
60 years ago today! (Well actually, it’s early morning September 9 now but I’m still counting it!) EDIT: Ooh, and the first contestant’s not just lovely but also from Natick! EDIT: Double ooh, John knows what exact towns Natick is in between! EDIT: Dammit, Dorothy, you went straight in for the kill on a schoolgirl!
I swear to God, one of these evenings, I'm going to have a few drinks and join Miss Patch in a loud, rousing chorus of "We wish we had it, but we ain't"
*_VENTRILOQUIST - STAR OF HER OWN WEEKLY TELEVISION SHOW_* Check out her signature. Kids don't even learn cursive in 2024. *_TEA TASTER_* *_MAKES FOOTBALL HELMETS_*
So...Marilyn was cute. Her mannerisms, though, had such an “I’m a REAL boy!” vibe, I would have been shocked if she hadn’t spent her formative years around ventriloquist dolls.
But first, about ten years after this episode, he played Cliff Murdoch, the Peeper, on The Bob Newhart Show. I think he appeared in three episodes. I recently read Bob Newhart's autobiography, and it seems Tom Poston was sort of a pest as well as a friend of Bob's since the late 1950s.
John was being John rather too much again with the tea taster. Specifically as a product it is a solid and yes, specifically as a product IT IS swallowed. He needn't to have added at that time that it wasn't swallowed alone, but with water.
Joe Postove He was really misleading on this one. I understand how the confusion came about, and I think he was sincere in the distinctions he attempted to make, but I don't think the guy was tasting the tea *leaves*, so the product he was tasting was probably a liquid after all, and John should have addressed that better when Dorothy first asked the solid vs. liquid question.
5:20 i really hate when john tells the panelist the what the guest does when theyre about to get it. sometimes i get it because theyre running out of time or theyve said a synonym of what the guest's occupation is but the show just started. :/
No racket Marilyn Patch aka Arnone was on a kids tv show in Boston at 7:30 in the morning. She was 13 soon to be 14 when this episode aired. Definitely too old to be dressed up like an 8 yr old Shirley Temple wannabe..
This is a suggestion for What's My Line?. Some of the old time mystery guest, I have never heard of. So what I like to do is go to their wikipedia page and read up on them before I watch the episode. What would be nice if you could link their name in the title to their wikipedia page. i don't know if you can do it or not, or if you even want to go through the trouble of doing it.
I don't know if it is reasonable to ask a 12 year-old child to perform an act on live television for which she has not had an opportunity to prepare beforehand. What if she can't remember the words or is off-key?
Arlene always asks someone to perform. And I usually agree with her. But Miss Marilyn Patch was a real trouper and the live tv show must go on!!! :) A delight
Marilyn Parch had more charisma and stage/camera presence than many of the celebrity guests who make their livings on stage and camera. She was wonderful.
@@kasperjoonatan6014 I do not see anything bad about Bea's comment. Kilgalon could have let the girl go on to a second regular contestant. Instead she mutilated the kid herself.
@@dallas5684 the stupidity about Bea's comment is that the show was not about outsmarting anyone (except sometimes in a friendly way between the panel members). They were not trying to outsmart the guests, they were just trying to guess their jobs by asking questions, that was their job, that was what Dorothy was doing. She was not a gestapo officer roasting a little girl.
@@kasperjoonatan6014 Last I will say but you do not think that Dorothy would have not felt stupid if one of her supposition questions to a mere kid turned out to be wrong? And do you not feel the kid was going to feel real bad that she lost and the very first regular contestant figured her out (why the show host, John, gave the kid the 50 dollars all the same---to make it up to her quick).
5:20 Kilgallen discerns quickly that the girl has a puppet show - then Daly gives it all away that she's a ventriloquist. The girl's shock at his audacity is priceless. Welcome once again to The John Daly Show!
That girl should have stayed home and finish her cereal, most likely Dorothy knew who she was, the lady is well informed, it's her job. Should have at least let the rest of the panel go one time. Daly's fault for not starting with Tom.
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What an absolute class act was Hermione Gingold, also one of the few celebrity guests to thank the audience as well as the panel
I just love the banter between Bennett Cerf and John Daly on nearly all of these shows. You can tell they deeply loved one another and held each other in warm, high regard.
Hermione gave a full stage exit, facing the audience - and her wrap!! Such a presence, good fun on this show.
I know it is kinda randomly asking but does anybody know a good place to stream new movies online ?
@Ledger Maximiliano meh lately I have been using flixportal. just google for it :P -atlas
@Atlas Asher thanks, I went there and it seems to work :D I appreciate it!
@Ledger Maximiliano Glad I could help =)
Hermione Gingold was a true, and larger than life star of the stage the like of which will never come again.
eoselan7 she was married to my great grandfather (Michael joseph)
Miss Patch was so cute and so "on". Hope she did well in life after her childhood.
The tea tester line was great!
Ms Gingold was fabulous.
I always remember her saying one word in 'The Music Man" movie... "Balzack"
Apparently Miss Patch has indeed had a very rewarding life. In reading up on her, it's hard to imagine that the reason she took up puppetry was to help relieve her of extreme shyness. She is such a bubbly dynamo on this show. A real joy to watch.
Consider Tom Poston. Funny guy. His expansive television career covered the better part of five decades -- from Steve Allen's "Tonight Show" to "The Suite Life of Zack and Cody." He contributed his comedic talents to made-for-TV movies to variety programs to situation comedies to talk shows to voice-overs for cartoons. When Mel Brooks first submitted his idea for the sitcom "Get Smart" to the ABC network, ABC wanted Poston for the lead role of Maxwell Smart, which is a pretty good idea. He earned exactly one Emmy Award, but should have earned a second one for his work in "Newhart."
Tom Poston as Maxwell Smart would, of course, have been a completely different "Get Smart", possibly as good, but I tend to doubt it. It's hard for me to imagine anyone else in a role so owned by the actor who played him as Don Adams did Maxwell Smart. I can't picture Poston doing the physical humor Don Adams excelled at, an element which wasn't strongly present when the series first started but was emphasized more and more when the writers and producers caught on to how much it added to the show. It's similar to the way Inspector Clouseau's clumsiness and indecipherable accent became exaggerated about halfway through the second Clouseau film, "A Shot in the Dark"..(Clouseau being another role so owned by its actor, Peter Sellers, I can't picture anyone else in the part. The Steve Martin films don't exist as far as I'm concerned!)
What's My Line? Believe it or not, Tom Poston also, in addition to nine years as a regular on "To Tell The Truth" (1958-1967) also briefly hosted a Goodson-Todman game show in 1959-60 called "Split Personality" that didn't last long. Only the pilot exists.
Tom Poston seemed like a very nice man too...
Don Adams' clipped speech patterns saying his handful of stock phrases ("Sorry about that chief" "Missed by that much" and so on) also were a huge part of the character, something that Tom Poston could not have brought to the show.
Of course, Adams was basically playing the same character he played on the Bill Dana Show (Glick, the Hotel Detective), on Dickey's slacks commercials (this time as Freebish, talking to Glick on the phone) and as the voice of Inspector Gadget.
Adams also did great double takes, like the one he did when Barbara Feldon reassured him, "You're twice the agent 43 is, 86."
Oh Max!
One of the funniest persons in the history of entertainment. She absolutely stole the show in the minor role of Mrs. Shinn in "The Music Man!"
Trickle, trickle, trickle!
Arlene Francis looks particularly wonderful in this episode! She was a fantastic, sweet lady!
Randy Sills ~ I agree!!! Although this is in black and white, she appears to be very tan? Maybe she had just returned from a fun in the sun vacation?
I thought she looked much older than any episode so far. Her hair style was not flattering.
She looked like she had a tan.
Both ladies, Dorothy and Arlene, are nice, but Arlene is more relaxed and very charming and humorous.
Dorothy is always a bit tense.
The looks of Arlene, actually in other episodes even more than this time, are more striking than Dorothy's.
But both are very appropriate for this programme..
@@preppysocks209 Same here. This is the first live episode in two months, so I was curious to see if any of them would seem to have aged noticeably in the interim, as sometimes is the case between one television season and the next. I felt that Arlene looked older because of her hairstyle and perhaps because of having endured the effects of her automobile accident.
At some point during this season (probably beginning with this episode), CBS replaced their old TK-10 and TK-11 television cameras in their studios on both coasts with British-manufactured Marconi Mark IV monochrome cameras. The Mark IV cameras would also be used on that historic night The Beatles performed on Ed Sullivan on February 9, 1964.
WML would continue to use the Mark IV cameras, until September 1966. By that time, they would now be using Phillips PC-60. They were the ones with the Green, Blue, Red, and Yellow CBS Color stickers on the cameras.
Gingold was asked by Russell Harty "How does your cat masticate?" And she gave him a look & said with a twinkle in her eye "Very Carefully!" She was once playing a maid who was supposed to come on stage pushing a drinks trolley to a couple on a love seat. She may have had a nip of something herself. The trolley came on first, skidded across the stage & ended up in the Orchestra Pit. Her distinctive voice was heard from rhe wings saying "The train approaching Platform 1 (Hiccup!) Is going to be late!"
Another new television season, and once again, back to live tapings.
The blindfolded panelists still don't understand that when Daly doesn't change the score, the previous answer is "yes". They should know that, after all these years.
They are drunk or dumb
last week i read hermione's autobiography published posthumously . she was very much popular with the male species without exageration.
To fool the panel, Marilyn should have changed her appearance and toned down her natural exuberance. Found this from a 2009 interview:
"If you're a Howdy Doody fan, you might know her better as Marilyn Patch, who played Doodyville schoolteacher "Happy Harmony" on "The New Howdy Doody Show" for 130 episodes back in '76." (She was also on with Buffalo Bob.) "Dr. Marilyn Arnone has been doing her part to educate kids in entertaining ways ever since she hosted her own children's show called "Marilyn and Calico" at the age of eleven.
Dr. Arnone is a Harvard grad with a PHd who is currently the director of educational media for Syracuse University's Center for Digital Literacy, in addition to being co-founder and president of Creative Media Solutions."
I always remember how funny Hermione was married to the great Paul Ford in The Music Man. I can still hear her say 'BAAAALLLLLZZZZAC!" When complaining about the risque books in Marion's library.
Let’s not forget her role in Gigi singing with Maurice Chevalier I Remember it Well🩷
Hermoine had one of the great voices among female actresses of that period. Hard to disguise. Dorothy does not have much to say to her --- and no wonder: she and Jack Paar regularly knocked pieces off her on his talk shows.
soulierinvestments There was another individual of whom Dorothy was enemies with:
Ol' Blue Eyes himself, Frank Sinatra. And oddly enough, Dorothy was even seen shaking hand with Nancy Sinatra and her then husband, Tommy Sands, on the 2/28/65 show
I thought that Marilyn was quite entertaining. I think it's a bit unfair to judge her based on the standards of today. As you can see from the other comments, she went on to have an interesting career in children's television, working with puppets. The interview with her from a few years ago is really interesting ... she still has a bubbly personality. Perfect for children's television programming.
She was just too animated but she had talent….
@@lllowkee6533 Too animated? She had more charisma and stage/camera presence than many of the celebrity guests who make their livings on stage and camera. She was wonderful.
Hello David, I fully agree, Marilyn was certainly cute and full of happy energy - perfect for what she did.
She is now a research professor and professor of practice at Syracuse University's School of Information Studies, and co-director of the Center for Digital Literacy and currently as interim associate director for Cotelco (North), the Collaboration Laboratory.
Well now we know "what ever happened to Baby Jane!"
So many people attacking the little girl as putting on an act, but perfectly fine with so many of the adult celebrities playing their public personas are warmly embraced.
Looking at that pathetic child made me 🤮. So sad
Adults are definitely more comfortable with other adults.
Marilyn is (was) such a charming and pretty girl ... and what remarkable penmanship!
Yuck
@@dinahbrown902 I was so glad Dorothy got her so soon--before I soiled my pinafore.
Hermione Gingold went on Jack Paar with a picture of Dorothy Kilgallen framed with a toilet seat. A feud resulted. Note Dorothy's initial reaction when HG is revealed, but smiled when they shook hands.
How funny.
I don't blame Dorothy. That was very rude.
Marilyn Patch was absolutely adorable with her bouncy curls, sweet tilting voice, and vibrant confidence!
I always enjoy seeing Tom Poston being a hilarious dork on TTTT, and though it's too bad he didn't get more questioning time in this episode, he did a great job in figuring out the tea!
Adorable? She was so fake, so affected, I thought: wow, this girl is bound for a lot of therapy. Totally creeped me out.
I love Arlene's hairdo! It's so becoming! 😘
Arlene's new hair style suits her here
When Darcy Lynn won America's got talent as the ventriloquist I naturally assumed she was the first little girl ventriloquist but this girl was doing it back in the 50s.
First contestant: Wooo energy. Good handwriting and a lot of personality for a kid. Dead giveaway of a TV performer. It would be darned interesting if any videotapes of her show survive after all these years --the concept seems a trifle creepy what with the ringlets and the belting. WML had an interest in employed children and liked to put them on as often as possible. Henry Makow and trapeze artist Ray Valentine come to mind.
soulierinvestments There was also an 8-year-old boy named Larry Leake, who specialized in Trick Billiard Shots. He was on the first color videotaped edition of the show on 9/11/66.
I just finished reading Ms. Gingold's posthumous autobiography "How To Grow Old Disgracefully"and it was very entertaining@
The yong female ventriloquist was just adorable and self assured. At home in front of the camera! 🥰
Yes, I remember it well
At 5:39 John Daly is being gentlemanly to a fault when he tells Marilyn the reason she was guessed so quickly is because of her 'presence'. To be more accurate, her arch, coy, simpering manner screamed 'Child star molded by Mama Rose!' at every turn. A more hideously artificial example of an audience-panderer would be difficult to imagine.
Jason Hurd I'm glad you said it not me. I thought American kids only talked like that in low budget B films....."Ok Mr Daly!!" (blink blink), "It sure is, Mr Daly!!"....."Gee Mr Daly, that's SWELL!"
The kind of child star that makes you want to throw up in disgust, and feel deeply sorry for at the same time. Shirley Temple seemed to have survived, so hopefully, so did this poor little artificial personality.
I thought she was kind of sweet!
my gosh- first contestant, a little girl ventriloquist and they ask her to sing a song? why in the world didn't they ask her to demonstrate her ability as a ventriloquist?
They didn't do that until the syndicated version. That's the only thing that bothers me about the "real" version, no one gets to demonstrate their talent, or very rarely.
me not you Because you can sing solo. Ventriloquism requires a dummy which see didn't bring with her.
a stage hand could have brought it to her or john Charles could have hidden it behind their desk
@@danielfronc4304 Where was Hal Block when they need him?
Didn't have her dummy
Hermione was once asked on a tv talk show if her accent was real. She answered that it was affected!
I was just a bit weirded out by the very pretty Miss Patch. Perhaps this was a performance and that was her style. But it reminded me of "Whatever Happened To Baby Jane" in that she acted and dressed in a manner more befitting the 1920's rather than 1963. Was she dressed for show or what? A 12 year old girl wouldn't have that hair style and be dressed like that normally, then, would she?
Joe Postove I think it was her mother's style, dreaming of her as a new Shirley Temple, and already having a Television-Show on her own. (The girl was pretty, but her hairstyle/outfit, well eh...)
Her hairstyle and outfit were too "out there" for me!
Agree. The costume she wore on her program??
Joe Postove It's very tempting to comment on that "be-laced muffin" of a dress, and rococo hair, but I rather not. I better remind myself of being a very polite person, and by the way go to bed. After all, it's soon 02 a.m. up here. ;)
Still light where you are SW?
Arlene had many hair styles during the run of WML. This one I thought was quite attractive.
Arlene Francis from the moment she steps out from behind the curtain really shows an unusual chicness to the way she is dressed. She is very smartly dressed her earrings really enhanced her clothes her hair is styled really well. She just comes across as if she could walk down a street in 2022 and look perfectly marvelous.
Oh...John didn't have to give Marilyn Patch's line over so soon. It's a long way from being on television and even having a puppet show to ventriloquism. Indeed Miss Patch looked rather surprised that John threw all the cards over so soon.
Joe Postove Yes, both surprised and disappointed, but very well-trained in her reaction.
SuperWinterborn Joe Postove
I agree with both of you. She indeed seemed almost horrified when John first gave away the ventriloquism bit, but she recovered nicely. I was also annoyed with Dorothy for not giving the little girl a break! Dorothy was so used to playing competitively, I think, that when she felt like she was really onto Marilyn's line, she just couldn't stop herself from plowing all the way through. I think she felt bad about it afterwards -- it looked/sounded like she was kind of apologizing to her when they shook hands at the end of the segment. Nice that John broke from his usual "no performance" policy and let Marilyn sing a song. I read the comment above by +ta2686, which mentions Marilyn Patch's later work and was glad to know that she went on to have a successful career in both media and education. I looked her up myself and found a very interesting, fairly recent interview with her, which mentions this WML appearance in some detail: hkfilmnews.blogspot.com/2009/12/marilyn-patch-arnone-interview.html.
SaveThe TPC She had obviously looked forward to play the game with these grown-ups, and surely had planned well how to answer too. It must have been a great disappointment to her, being given away that soon. Not a very understanding attitude from either side of the panel here. But this was the time, when Dr. Spock and his sometimes hair-raising advices was "in", and sigh...
SuperWinterborn
It's also an interesting coincidence to me that I have stumbled across so much information about little Marilyn's adult career so soon after we played our own little guessing game about my line -- and so soon after my return to work from summer vacation as well. I have now followed up on a number of articles, interviews, and other informational sources about Professor Marilyn Arnone, which have been kindly linked by other commenters in various threads on this page. Her work is very relevant to my own profession as a school librarian, and I'm likely to be looking into it further when I have a chance.
As for Dr. Spock, his baby and childcare book was the most popular and oft-quoted reference source for parents when I was growing up. I referred to an updated edition of it often when my own kids were babies and small children as well. I have to admit that I'm not aware of the type of controversial, "hair-raising" advice by him that you mentioned. He always seemed pretty sensible to me in terms of medical stuff. I can't say I ever really referred to his book for psychological advice and don't know if my parents did either, so maybe that's why I'm in the dark about that.
SaveThe TPC I don't doubt that in general Spock's advices were both reasonable and good, especially to those who grew up with parents following a much worse tradition. But as it is when a book/an advicer becomes popular, people do interprete the theories their own way, very often taking things too literally. Like my aunt, who *never* picked up the baby when it was crying, unless it was mealtime. "Healthy to their lungs", you know? ;) (My granny, a strict, but warm-hearted woman, was furious about this, but couldn't be there all the time) It took her children years to forgive my aunt.
I think Dorothy knew who that child was.
F Je ~ I agree with you!
F Je yep
Me too. She should have passed if she did.
Marilyn Patch's appreance looks like Shirley Temple meets Rhoda Penmark. Marilyn's voice rather sounds familar, was she the voice of Penny in The Rescuers (1977)?
No. Penny was voiced by a different child actress. Her name was Michelle Stacy. Her IMDB page: www.imdb.com/name/nm0821094/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t9
Dr. Marilyn Patch Plavacos Arnone played Happy Harmony on AThe New Howdy Doody Show in 1976-77; that may be why she sounds familiar.
Arf! Arlene was so funny
I have to admit, I was a bit shocked on the shot that Bennett served John at the end!
A couple years earlier John had married a woman fourteen years younger than him, but even if this was a reference to John's wife, it was still a pretty cheap shot by Bennett.
I know that was the intent but I just found it kind of creepy since it concerned a child, and besides Bennett was 18 years older than HIS wife. :)
They definitely had a love-hate relationship!
Brace yourself: the full title of Hermoine's flop was " Oh Dad, Poor Dad, Mamma's Hung You in the Closet and I'm Feelin' So Sad: A Pseudoclassical Tragifarce in a Bastard French Tradition." What's left to do on the stage. Arthur L. Kopit 's sort of funny sort of tragic play opened off-Broadway in 1962 and moved to the Morosco Theatre for 47 performances on Broadway in 1963. Hermione portrayed "Madame Rosepettle" and an early Sam Waterston portrayed her son. The film version of this thing noted in its ads that "It does for mothers what "Moby Dick" did for whales." Somehow I doubt it.
+soulierinvestments Oh Dad was hardly a flop - it had a successful off-Broadway run (with Jo Van Fleet as Rosepettle) - so successful that it toured the country with Miss Gingold, after which it came in to have its B'way run.
Rosalind Russell and Jonathan winters did that movie! With Robert Morse
Even in her mid 50s, Arlene still has a lovely figure. She looks sensational in that tailored suit..
Geez, they railroaded that first gal right through!
Such a cute girl 12-year-old Marilyn Patch is here. She wrote a story about her experience in 2006.
www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/episode-680-97685/trivia/
*****
Thank you for the link!
Looks like she left showbiz way behind.
Do you guys really think that by putting down a little girl, you're being funny? cause you're really not!
That little girl was DARLING. She certainly was PEPPY lol (and she kinda looked and sounded like a little Shirley Temple there when she sang)
Love Arlene's new "do"!
Joe Postove
I have to disagree. The cut itself is nice, but IMO it doesn't flatter her face at all for some reason.
SaveThe TPC That's also why I didn't reply on Joe's comment here. ;)
I agree, it just isn't a good cut for her.
Looked better on Doris Day than on Arlene.
Gosh Bennett! You could have spared us for the last remark..!
Not a remark anyone would be likely to make nowadays, that's for sure. And John's response doesn't make much sense, either-- "That's the nicest thing the old goat has said about me in a long time". Huh?
What's My Line? For not to be too judgemental; They both *might* have been referring to an intern joke backstage before the show, which had nothing to do with the little girl at all, but in general. Wasn't Daly's 2nd wife much younger than him?
SuperWinterborn Oh, I honestly don't think there's much question what Bennett's joke was referring to-- he was implying a penchant for young girls. But this having aired 50 years ago, I'm also sure that no one back then would have been thinking what we naturally think today when hearing a joke like that.
What's My Line? Like so many others around, I have also noticed Bennett's eh... penchant in that field, but I guess I just didn't want it to be so... ;)
Despite replaying 7:35----7:45 a number of times, I can't make out what Arlene and Bennett said. Would you please tell me?
Why did Daly start with Killgalen for the first contestant? I would have loved to see Arlene interact with her and then have Dorothy play the game straight, like she always did.
Johnny Olsen was one of the all time great announcers. However one could not say he had a resonant timberous voice of some like Tony Marvin (of Arthur Godfrey's Show) or Don Pardo (of many game shows) but he had a clear very pleasing sound. One that earned him a fortune. However, and maybe I notice this as one who was in radio for many years, there are times when he has a deeper, richer, quality to his voice. I think lots of men can identify with this as "morning voice", the kind of voice that when you wake up in the morning makes you think you have the pipes to be a great announcer. I think tonight, Johnny had somewhat of a morning voice. By the way, and I've brought this up before, did anyone EVER just once say "thanks Johnny"?
I've always been somewhat baffled by some of the voices who made it big as announcers. Some of the really big ones didn't have what I'd consider "announcer's voices" at all. George Fenneman had what I think of as an announcer's voice. But Bill Goodwin? Especially Bill Goodwin! Harry Von Zell, also, had a very pleasant voice and was a talented comic actor, but lacked the rich, full sound I associate with an announcer's voice. Even Don Wilson, who did have a deep, resonant vocal quality, is far from what I'd consider the classic sound of a announcer. I think the less well known an announcer was, the more generically typical their voices had to be.
There were other qualities that a man (at that time it was just men) could bring to the announcer's audition rather than just resonant vocal quality. That by itself got you into the door, and no one I ever knew in radio would not have sold their soul for a John Daly or Tony Marvin set of pipes. But, especially later on, other criteria became as important as that and could be more important if one was gifted otherwise. Good timing in reading commercials, cheerfulness, clarity of speech, authoritativeness and other qualities that someone like Johnny possessed could make up for a lack of resonance, and a deep throated sound.
Joe Postove All very true. But now explain Bill Goodwin. :)
I never could stand Bill Goodwin-- not his voice, his manner, his acting chops, nor the character he played as announcer for Burns and Allen for 10 years (he portrayed an arrogant playboy whom women fell over themselves to date, despite the fact that he was average-looking at best). What really amazes me is how often he botched the actual commercial copy on the live B&A TV shows. Not full blown bloopers, or anything, but regularly flubbed words, stuttering, and bland delivery. If there's one quality you'd expect an announcer to have, it would be the ability to read a commercial smoothly! I'm just glad Harry Von Zell replaced him starting in the second season of the TV show.
I have a rare video of an old "Tomorrow" show with Tom Snyder circa 1978 where his guests are Von Zell, Fenneman, and Don Wilson (and a 4th guy who I don't know so I can't recall his name-- I think he was more of a local LA announcer-type). If you'd like to see it, send me a private message and we'll arrange something. I have no plans on posting it to RUclips any time soon, because it belongs on the Vintage Comedy Vault channel and I cant post anything there until the copyright strikes on that channel clear (if they ever do).
Agree with you on Bill Goodwin. Sometimes the non talented slip though. Think Robert Q Lewis (who at least had some vocal quality, but was disagreeable from start to finish).
What's My Line? Goodwin was better on radio for Burns And Allen because he could more easily put down George. The problem was that he couldn't play the same character on TV because as you said, he didn't match his radio image at all and couldn't do the spots he'd been accustomed to on radio.
And I wobble my head around like it’s on a spring
Stranger Things, Marilyn went on to inspire the Cabbage Patch Kids.
How?
The first contestant. ...There is a line where cutesy crosses over to putrid.
I thought she was adorable.
She was way over that line.
Poston was unstomachable, thought he was an expert on everything
Marilyn Patch frightened me
What Planet are you from?
What the hell is wrong with you!!!
Jill Gordon - And to think I really liked Marilyn when she was first introduced. Maybe I caught diabetes too.
@@shirleyrombough8173 If you think that was funny, your dead WRONG!! and you need to pray that that comment doesn't come back at you
When I saw the last contestant I thought she looked a bit like Petula Clark.
Joe Postove I can see the resemblance. She was about as cute as she could be.
@@jvcomedy When I was Marilyn's age, I went after girls that looked like Miss Johnson, but it took me a decade to finally catch one. Have you ever seen a stranger looking script "J?"
@@algoritmosalfredohipicasig7116 It was very strange. If a person didn't know it was a "J" you'd never guess what it was.
Did anyone notice Tom Poston's comment at 14:35? "Some people smoke that stuff." No one reacted. Was 1963 before the connection between "tea" and pot?
No connection mein friend.
What ever happened to Baby Jane?
If only children TODAY were so innocent, cheerful, and well-groomed. The RISE and FALL of American values! 💔🥺
He stopped asking it in November of 1963
Marilyn's personality seems quite unnatural.
She was born to be in front of the camera. Her parents were in show business and she probably got her confidence from them. I just don't know why she never became a bigger name.
Compared to the way current day government schools have destroyed the social and communication skills of most children, it would naturally seem odd to anyone today to meet a child with an actual personality.
@@funzo1159 She did. She was Happy Harmony on the 1970s version of Howdy Doody. She's Dr Marilyn Arnone at Syracuse university, teaching how technology affects education.
@@princeharming8963 That's NOT a natural personality, no matter what year it was.
@@4seeableTV - Well I guess I'll have to defer to you then. I mean, who'd know better, right?
That little girl was a cutey
Waaaait a minute! That's not Hermione! I think your glasses must be broken.
"Oculus Reparo!"
At 14:37, after an exchange about inadvertently swallowing tea leaves, Posten said, "I've heard that some people smoke that stuff and I don't see how they ...." He sure wasn't alluding to Tetley's tea, so what was he alluding to? Bueller?
I caught that, too. 1963 just seems a bit early for equating tea with pot, but I was always a bit slow on the uptake of what was going on back then.
@@slaytonp “Tea” as slang for marijuana goes back to the 1930s at least. Hipper show biz people and particularly musicians would be very familiar with the term.
@@tterrace It astounds me at how ignorant we were. I was born in 1934 in Reno, Nevada. My Dad was born and raised there, too. My grandfather was variously Governor of the State, a Congressman and Senator, and we were totally uninformed about drugs, let alone terms like 'tea." I think we had about two users of mamajuana when I was in high school, and the rest of us were shocked--thought it was really hard stuff. Odd world it was.
Meet Dr. Marilyn Arnone
Marilyn is still around!
Mark Kallenbach
Thank you for that link! I just watched the video and found it fascinating. I even remember watching "Pappyland" with my own kids when they were small. Nice to see she grew up so well. Sometimes being in the limelight at such a young age can have a detrimental effect on kids.
SaveThe TPC"Pappyland" with your kids? Now I'm close to guess your age too! ;)
SuperWinterborn
Uh-oh.... :O
Actually, I've made generational comments before....
SaveThe TPC This time my memory fails me, because I don't remember them :) My age is not any secret anymore, due to my discussions with Joe, who's exactly 6 days older than me. I got my kids late, but if you had yours around "the usual time", you're 10-12 years younger than me, and a few years older than Gary, who's 41. ;)
SuperWinterborn
My age will be changing quite soon, but as of my last birthday, I liked to tell people that "I am finally playing with a full deck." ;)
sorry I never got to see Hermione Gingold in Poor Dad, etc. maybe it would have been too adult.
It would probably be best not to describe my reaction to the first guest, Marilyn Patch, but I was quite glad that Dorothy guessed her so quickly.
You're not the only one. I couldn't wait for the next contestant to enter.
Yeah, so I think it's safe to assume most children from the 60s didn't act like the first contestant. I am convinced that either she was a robot of some sort created to appear as the "perfect" child or she's a puppet who magically came to life (let's hope she didn't turn out to be evil and rebel against the human race that created her in either case). You know, honestly, she was just trying a bit too hard to be sort of like Shirley Temple but without Shirley's natural charm.
The way John repeats "we wish we had it, but we ain't" cracked me up. Sounds like a humdinger of a song. And it didn't seem at all like her parents were using her in order to possibly improve their songwriting careers at all...it's not like it seems they were hoping a major network might want her for a show so their music would reach a national level of attention. I'm not being cynical at all, I just, you know, got a certain vibe when she was speaking. She didn't really hesitate to sing either.
Color videotape survives of Tom Poston et al on CBS Network "To Tell the Truth" 1967. Still gripes me that no color videotape survives from 1966-7 WML.
soulierinvestments There are rumors that the 1967 finale survives on color videotape.
But what I can't figure out is how did these rumors spread? Maybe they were started by someone who works closely with Jonathan Goodson, Mark Goodson's son.
Marilyn Patch...a.k.a. - Baby Jane Hudson
Wow, Marylin was such a charmer! I bet she went on to break many a boy’s hearts!
60 years ago today! (Well actually, it’s early morning September 9 now but I’m still counting it!)
EDIT: Ooh, and the first contestant’s not just lovely but also from Natick!
EDIT: Double ooh, John knows what exact towns Natick is in between!
EDIT: Dammit, Dorothy, you went straight in for the kill on a schoolgirl!
He seriously yelled over: "I like football then."
60's hairstyle not for Kilgalon.
I just developed Diabetes after listening to that little girl Marilyn Patch
Galileocan g ;D!
Was she stoned?
Galileocan g More of a "speedy" mood, I would say. But in that age, the excitement and some coke has exactly the same effect. ;)
I swear to God, one of these evenings, I'm going to have a few drinks and join Miss Patch in a loud, rousing chorus of "We wish we had it, but we ain't"
I feared (if I'm honest, hoped) she would snap that darling little neck tossing those curls around.
*_VENTRILOQUIST - STAR OF HER OWN WEEKLY TELEVISION SHOW_* Check out her signature. Kids don't even learn cursive in 2024.
*_TEA TASTER_*
*_MAKES FOOTBALL HELMETS_*
Marilyn Patch was way too happy.
According to Stephen Sondheim, Hermione Gingold was totally bald under that wig.
Like he should talk
Mic Mal What does that even mean?
@@WillScarlet16 it means, volleyball meet marble casket.
I see that little girl from 1963,think of today's youth and my heart grieves for what America has become.
Yep.
My teeth hurt. Thank God today’s children speak up. What a phony kid
@@dinahbrown902 I thought she was sincere. She seemed sincerely alarmed that Daly was spilling the beans about her TV show
You think today's kids should be more like THAT? Seriously???
So...Marilyn was cute. Her mannerisms, though, had such an “I’m a REAL boy!” vibe, I would have been shocked if she hadn’t spent her formative years around ventriloquist dolls.
It turned my stomach, she doesn’t know how to be a little girl. Probably overdosed later in life
The little girl is very charming.
🤮
I hate it when they don't have enough time for the last contestant...should have MG at the end!!!
In 19 years, Tom Poston would be playing the character George on Newhart.
But first, about ten years after this episode, he played Cliff Murdoch, the Peeper, on The Bob Newhart Show. I think he appeared in three episodes.
I recently read Bob Newhart's autobiography, and it seems Tom Poston was sort of a pest as well as a friend of Bob's since the late 1950s.
John was being John rather too much again with the tea taster. Specifically as a product it is a solid and yes, specifically as a product IT IS swallowed. He needn't to have added at that time that it wasn't swallowed alone, but with water.
Joe Postove
He was really misleading on this one. I understand how the confusion came about, and I think he was sincere in the distinctions he attempted to make, but I don't think the guy was tasting the tea *leaves*, so the product he was tasting was probably a liquid after all, and John should have addressed that better when Dorothy first asked the solid vs. liquid question.
SaveThe TPC Heard!
+SaveThe TPC I was impressed when Tom got it.
I wish they had it too...alas, they ain't.
5:20 i really hate when john tells the panelist the what the guest does when theyre about to get it. sometimes i get it because theyre running out of time or theyve said a synonym of what the guest's occupation is but the show just started. :/
Marilyn Arnone can be found on the web she is a professer now.
Mr. Daly couldn't wait to give the child the boot. What a racket.
No racket Marilyn Patch aka Arnone was on a kids tv show in Boston at 7:30 in the morning. She was 13 soon to be 14 when this episode aired. Definitely too old to be dressed up like an 8 yr old Shirley Temple wannabe..
Couldn’t wait for that nauseating child to leave myself. What a lost, phony kid
This is a suggestion for What's My Line?. Some of the old time mystery guest, I have never heard of. So what I like to do is go to their wikipedia page and read up on them before I watch the episode. What would be nice if you could link their name in the title to their wikipedia page. i don't know if you can do it or not, or if you even want to go through the trouble of doing it.
I don't know if it is reasonable to ask a 12 year-old child to perform an act on live television for which she has not had an opportunity to prepare beforehand. What if she can't remember the words or is off-key?
Arlene always asks someone to perform. And I usually agree with her. But Miss Marilyn Patch was a real trouper and the live tv show must go on!!! :) A delight
Marilyn Parch had more charisma and stage/camera presence than many of the celebrity guests who make their livings on stage and camera. She was wonderful.
Kilgalon roasted the poor girl alive with questions cause the former did not want a kid outsmarting her on TV.
This must be the stupidest comment ever in youtube.
Normally I don't bother to comment on idiots but this is a record.
@@kasperjoonatan6014 I do not see anything bad about Bea's comment. Kilgalon could have let the girl go on to a second regular contestant. Instead she mutilated the kid herself.
@@dallas5684 the stupidity about Bea's comment is that the show was not about outsmarting anyone (except sometimes in a friendly way between the panel members). They were not trying to outsmart the guests, they were just trying to guess their jobs by asking questions, that was their job, that was what Dorothy was doing. She was not a gestapo officer roasting a little girl.
@@kasperjoonatan6014 Last I will say but you do not think that Dorothy would have not felt stupid if one of her supposition questions to a mere kid turned out to be wrong? And do you not feel the kid was going to feel real bad that she lost and the very first regular contestant figured her out (why the show host, John, gave the kid the 50 dollars all the same---to make it up to her quick).
@@kasperjoonatan6014 The show was all about outsmarting people!
Wow, it’s amazing how dated the under 18 jokes are these days, they seem more painful to my modern ears than the whistles or Hal Block jokes
5:20 Kilgallen discerns quickly that the girl has a puppet show - then Daly gives it all away that she's a ventriloquist. The girl's shock at his audacity is priceless. Welcome once again to The John Daly Show!
That girl should have stayed home and finish her cereal, most likely Dorothy knew who she was, the lady is well informed, it's her job. Should have at least let the rest of the panel go one time. Daly's fault for not starting with Tom.
That first kid's real job is just being annoying.
Again, so many single ladies. As I remember, ladies used to marry younger.
I do hope that girl at the beginning had a good therapist when she grew up.
She played Mrs Nogatuck on Maude...I hope I spelled the name right..
Hermione BADDELEY played Mrs. Naugatuck on Maude.
Bennet blows Arlene a kiss. I think he would blow Martin a kiss before he would do Dorothy!
Jeepers!
24:45
Umm Bennett, pretty sure that goes without saying...