Dune: Kralizec, Leto's Plan, The End of The Universe
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2021
- The word Kralizec does not appear in the Dune saga until the book Children of Dune. It is spoken of both as a terrible fate waiting for humankind in its future and as a rite of passage for the species, an inevitability that would test humankind to its limits but in the end, leave them with the ability to survive indefinitely within an often malignant universe. Paul Atreides Jihad killed more than 60 billion humans, but the price of Kralizec would be far greater.
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"Ask your doctor if Kralizec is right for you."
Do you have itchy toes? Kralizec is for you!
(1,000,000 internet points to you, if you get the reference to this literary masterpiece.)
Some users of Kralizec may experience side effects such as fever, drowsiness, prescient visions of multiple timelines based on an infinite number of outcomes, diarrhea…
Well, if your doctor is an asshole, then Kralizec is definitely right for him.
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I honestly haven't found another RUclipsr who approaches science fiction and its ideas as seriously and expertly as you. Bravo once again.
Check out Leutin09. Guy has the best Warhammer 40k videos ever.
Isaac Arthur has great futurism videos worth checking out!
Issac Arthur
Maybe you want to check out John Godier as well. I like to listen to his ideas, too.
It's awesome how he views Sci fi as horror for real unique
It's a common misconception that Ragnarök is the end of the world. It's meant to be the end of an order and the beginning of another. It's really a death and rebirth story.
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same with any other 'end of the world' myth. Most of them come from the same place
The original meaning of Apocalypse is not Destruction, but Divine Revelation.
To be fair we don’t really know how much of ragnarök is a Christian addition as one of the people writing down the myth tried to merge Iceland and another country which was very Christian ( don’t remember the name of the country ) so he decided to do it via religion.
@@razorback8300 Could be possible but I'm not knowledgable at all about the christian apocalypse so I have no clue. Someone with more deep understanding could see the connections or lack thereof.
Kralizek feels like a myth version of the great filter hypothesis
this is what dune is all about..leading your species/civilization through the universes great wall of extinction..this is a story of this civilizations journey though the filter..
@@likefire1617 ... so a strategy guide for Masters of Orion then?
Sorry. I see myself out.
indeed.
Never thought about it like that, but that makes sense. I would dare say every “end times” prophecy, be it from the Book of Revelation in Christianity to the end times in Islam or the cycles of time found in everything from the Mayans to Buddhist sects, could be considered part of the great filter theory connected to the Fermi Paradox.
@@chrisradzion2148 and as described, it is perpetual, because once destructive methods are unleashed, they can not be contained, only destruction from it avoided. hmmm.
humans have unleashed fission, and it is debatable avoiding its destruction is a given. fusion may unleash other vastly more horrific destructive methods, then the stars themselves, then black holes including some not so obvious from those, there may be many more yet to be, like dark matter and dark energy, possibly.
The dune universe is mind bogglingly rich and is matched only by your enthusiasm for it. I love these breakdowns. Thank you 👍
Check out warhammer 40k.
@@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE The 40k universe is something else!!
@@jeyfomson6364 agree..... although I can smell your heresy from here!
@@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE Show mercy your majesty !!
@@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE Check out the universe of The Malazan Book of the Fallen.
The strongest place for any civilization to live is right at the edge of darkness.
Not within it, lest they be consumed by it--nor too far from it, less they forget
it's existence. We must live close enough to the darkness to see it, to smell it,
and above all to ensure our children understand what it is, and not mistake it for
light.
Well said. Another name for that darkness is a frontier, a region of the unknown. This is something that our profoundly unhealthy culture no longer has, and we are rapidly paying the price for it.
@@lockwoodthexton
We have a large, dark and dangerous frontier only 100km away.
And are procrastinating down here on the surface instead of starting the expanse 😉
@jabroni destroyer maybe outer space???
@jabroni destroyer the censorship of "bad words" and "bad ideas",
The purposeful stopping of violence in society, how every past generation tried to domesticate the next generation, instead of forcing us to become more perfect beings.
Now we have fake struggles that lead to no useful knowledge or experience, and when true strife comes... We will be naught but lambs for the slaughter.
@@leomahmet7555 "Bad words" and "bad ideas" have been censored by businesses in the US since the onset of mass communications. Look back 50 years and there was more censorship in media than today, the censorship just favored more traditional aesthetics, ie WASPs
There's an interview in which Herbert talks about a student in a lecture who said the idea to control other people's thoughts and emotions with words sound silly, and he gave a quite funny example of how everyone can do it very easily to a limited extend.
You don't need to know much about a person to make them furious in just one sentence.
Wow. Hiw did Herbert do it? What did he say?
@@helenablavatsky9136 You're mom.
You just paid 40 grand to not understand a 40 year old book lmao
@@helenablavatsky9136 With more details, he said something like "Imagine a middle class American from the suburbs in his late 50s and try to get him really angry with just one sentence."
That example is really not that difficult.
@@Yora21 The idea is that the more you know about the person and their motivations and insecurities, the easier it is to manipulate them. That's why the bene gesserits were able to use the voice, because they were so observant that they could immediately deduce everything about a person just from being around them for a short time. As a result, they could use their voice so precisely that it exploits every psychological weakness to get them to do what they want without the subject even realizing it. It didn't work on everyone though, like the fremen and sardaukar were partially immune due to the hardiness of their bodies and minds, and Gurney Halleck was immune due to his specific training against it.
Many people will survive Kralizec by buying large quantities of toilet paper.
Many without access will wear a mask, instead.
Jajajajajajjaja
and disinfecting gel
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I honestly don't want to know the mind jump from toilet paper to a face mask 🤣👍
Or booster every morning.
Leto II was preparing humanity to survive it's Greatest Enemy, humanity itself.
I like that interpretation.
Or the evil AI
Perhaps Kralizec is part of or a function of the Great Filter, or a Great Filter, one of many.
I would say prescience is humanities greatest enemy, hence sheeana
@@commiehunter733 there is no Brian Herbert in this place. Do not mention nonsense thing.
Watching your videos is like seeing mini documentaries. The reverence you have for the mythological aspects, both real and fictional make these so awesome to see when you upload. Thanks!
My roommate says: 'why most def is talking about dune?!?' ... 🤣🤦🏻♂️
Ha! Quinn does look and sound a little like Mos Def!
I loved the relaxing spa music as we contemplate total annihilation.
What spas are you going to? Asking cuz I want an epic experience like that
Quinn, your videos inspired me to reread the Dune saga. I first read it in Jr. High back in the mid-70's. I think this is my 5th read through now. Having watched your videos I've been able to better understand the tale as FH put it forward. Thank you, the enjoyment I get from reading them again is immensely increased.
the sapir-whorf linguistic theory is really interesting! and the movie Arrival does a great job exploring it.
It's real as people actually switch personalities when switching languages.
Arrival was great fun until the story told us studying a language would allow you to time travel. urgh.
If you haven't, you should read "Story Of Your Life," by Ted Chiang. It's the story on which Arrival is based.
@@korenn9381 But it didn’t. It gave her the ability to see time as a non linear process. Past, present & future simultaneously.
@@stephendarcy9803 indeed, what I like is that the concept challenges people’s ideas of limitations in that context. It’s an extremely pro-language, pro-communicative, pro-linguistic film, to the point of cheerleading, and I love every second of it for that.
I also loved how Arrival combined the Korzybski / Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis with Lagrangian mechanics.
Man people who don't like sci-fi miss out on so much
"Those who pray for dew at the desert's edge shall bring forth the deluge"
What I liked Most in The Three Body Problem and following books is how the kind of Typhoon struggle to come gets complicated with changing politics, ethics and timescales which all feel well developed. The Dark Forest Theory is fairly terrifying too.
You are one of the few RUclipsrs I actually enjoy enough to leave a like and interact as much as possible. Your deserve the highest accolades for breaking down so many plot points of the Dune and other science fiction lore. Thank you for your service to the sci-fi literary community.
What I found most intriguing is that Leto II doesn't seem to be able to call up his mother's memory-awareness from inside his own mind. Why else ask his sister to do it? I know that, at this stage, he'd accepted a form of possession through which he could control all the memory awarenesses of every ancestor he had, but why couldn't he speak to the version of his mother that he carried? Surely the memory-awareness he carried would have been more or less identical to the one his sister had?
In the God Emperor of Dune he sometimes voices his mother through him. In the case with Ganima and Chani, the two children took on the roles of their corresponding parent to connect to Muad'dib
With respect, Maitreya Buddha does not “bring on the end of the world.” Maitreya Buddha actually revives the Buddhist teachings after they have faded away. This is called the “re-turning of the Wheel of Dharma.” So Maitreya Buddha actually facilitates a continuance, not an extinction. I deeply appreciate the care and enthusiasm that is evidenced in your presentations. I consider Dune as having helped lead me to the Buddhist path. If I may stray from the original books a bit, may Buddallah bless you and your efforts. 🙏🏼
I thought I was a bit confused about Buddhism having an absolute end time, since it is a cyclical minded philosophy.
On a similar note, there are remains of the cyclical understanding in the norse ragnarök as there is continuation in the two humans that survive it and step out into a renewed world.
are there ways to break a cycle
@@Washeek I'm curious what you mean by "a cyclical minded philosophy". The only cycle in Buddhism is the cycle of death and rebirth within samsara; and, Nirvana is the breaking of that cycle. Other than that, because samsara is beginningless, there are no cosmological cycles of the likes seen in Hinduism.
@@petewerehere I kinda expected people who believe into millions of people rebirthing, that they also believe into history and people's behaviors to be cyclical.
Guess I was wrong... But I was always taught that both hinduism and budhism are cyclical in nature, while one worships the cycle and other tries to break the cycle.
@@Washeek It isn't so much breaking the cycle, but rather ceasing to participate in it.
I've been watching you for a couple years now, and I just wanted to comment on how far your channel and videos have come. Huge fan, keep it up!
8:00 When Quinn's Ideas and Isaac Arthur's channel merge...
I discovered Quinn two weeks ago and I’ve been hooked since.
Please do guides for all the expanded works, as someone that has read the books your abridgement allows me to see the entire story within an hour long package.
Your video and the way you tell the story is better than a lot of audio books I’ve listened to. You are riveting, knowledgeable and your storytelling superb. Kudos man.
Man i wish you would make those kind of videos on Foundation…
He does!!
@@nancycollins9783 Videos on a precise subject inside Foundation ? Which one ? I’ve seen grneral videos but nothing precise work like he does on Dune.
@@dopy8418 He's made videos on Trantor, The Mule, and the second foundation. What else is there to cover from foundation?
As much as i like foundation, it's nowhere as deep as Dune.
I started reading the Dune novels,when I was 13 and now in my early 30s there's always something new with every re-read. I have so little time to read these days so I'm so happy to have found your channel!
The better memories of my childhood all involve cracking open first editions of books at the local library's scifi section and wiling away the afternoons. Thanks for being as fascinated and thensome, not to mention your ongoing video plots are great!
P.S. To be honest, I don't like the reader of the Dune audiobook.... Have you ever considered doing audiobooks? You've got a great narrator voice!
Your choice of background music was really good, it really gave me a feeling of existential dread.
Absolutely loved this video. Your passion for the amazing work really translates.
Quinn, I've been enjoying your videos for some weeks now & I've got to say you really have a natural ability to narrate. I'm a good deal older than you & spent a career in TV & radio broadcasting & I loved doing voicework. You remind me of my younger self in that you really seem to take joy in sharing a story & more than that, you know how & when to emphasize words. Keep it up & much success to you sir.
The YT algorithm definitely violates the Butlerian Jihad by this point.
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Quinn, you do a really good job with these videos. I very much appreciate your commentaries.
You are one of the most insightful people I’ve listened to in awhile. Thanks for doing these heady vids
I just hope that Villeneuve's DUNE adaptation is as faithful to the novel as Coppola´s Bram Stoker's Dracula is, with some changes indeed but very very close to the novel. That would be amazing!!!
Coppola's "Bram Stocker's Dracula". isn't nearly as faithful as the name suggests.
@@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090 Is simply more faithful than most other versions. It is not 100% faithful but far more faithful than other adaptations.
@@sabojezles I know, But I didn't want you to go around ignorant like I was. I thought the coolest part was the first part that shed light on how he became what he was and the anger at God. But then they said that was made up by the director.
@@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090 You're right. And no, not ignorant at all, you were just pointing out your argument.
@Larry Richards Like I said, I hope it is as faithful to the novel as Coppola´s is to Dracula, they completely invented the eternal romance of Dracula and Nina for the movie but everything else is almost copy paste from the book, so that's what I mean with this. I know they changed Liet Kynes but so far all the other Characters look motherfucking tiptop is not that they changed Paul Atreides into a fat authistic trans albino african, you know.
Quiiiiiiin, your vids are getting even better lately, as if that was possible 😜 Keep up the amazing work! 💜
This is a highly thoughtful speech Quinn. Thank you so much for taking the time out to do this and your other great work on Dune. When it comes to our Kralizec I am reminded of some of the words of T S Eliot. In his piece The Hollow Men he says "This is how it ends. This is how it ends. This is how it ends. Not with a bang. But with a whimper" - but in his mature masterpiece the four quartets he talks about beginnings being endings and endings being beginnings. Although he was a strict Anglican in terms of religious practice during the quartets he sometimes sounds like a very wize Indian mystic. But whatever happens we as a species must never give up. There is an old Chinese saying "It is always better to light a candle than it is to curse the darkness".
Another excellent video!! Thank you so much for all the time and effort you devote to these videos.
:D I made a comment about this a while back. It's also referred to as "The Typhoon Struggle". I was just pointing out in that one that Leto never had visions that reached that far ahead; iirc in God Emperor he even states that even if he learned to see the future the way he sees the past; to stare into that void would destroy his mind. The Golden Path is a possible future, solely in Leto's hands; where humanity can become resilient enough to survive that event- but Leto happens to be particularly familiar with the consequences of future sight. Messiah is solely about what the combined visions of the Jihad and The Typhoon Struggle did to Paul.
Had he been an unconscionable brute, and permitted the Fremen the full breadth of their "rape of the universe"-there wouldn't be more of a story. Messiah lays out the terribly uncomfortable truth, that even a person's virtue destroys them. In the just world, where someone kept a scoreboard of everyone that Paul's undermining of the Jihad saved compared to the 60 billion it killed; he wouldn't be blinded at 31, convinced that he should give himself to the desert, and then miserable for another 12 years because the worms refuse to eat him.
I have lived in 3 European countries, 1 in Asia, and 1 in Africa, and can confirm that the bond between language and culture really does influence how people think. You may speak the same language but the understanding of what a word means will differ.
Furthermore, you are either bonded to society or you are a true individual... and what you find is that it's the true individual who truly understands language, expression and the deeper meaning behind translating what lies within to forms that can be understood by others, accepting that there will always be a portion that is lost in translation.
Ultimately, the thoughts/feelings for which there are yet no words are the most powerful.
I really enjoy your channel, your material, and your delivery. Top notch.
I love your content. That opening music is perfect. It fits your tone and pacing. Fantastic content.
Quinn: have you read any of the Culture novels? You'd love them. The Culture uses a language called Marain, which was consciously developed to combat the Whorf hypothesis
RIP Iain m banks, what a loss.
@@eliut6855 Iain M Banks is no loss, but just Iain Banks was one of my favorite authors.
@@WritesMe Blasphemy! Have you read Use Of Weapons?
@@WritesMe they're the same guy
Great series!
Huge Dune nerd... Love your vids brother!!
Great videos. I appreciate how you explain the lore behind these stories. Keep up the great work!
Been really enjoying your videos lately! after i saw dune it brought back so much from my early 20s i started deep diving the books and videos. its been leaking into my hip hop last couple tracks even.
Yer the man Quinn! Every time I hope you'll delve deeper, you do!
In sum, kralizec is like the great filter, from the Fermi paradox theory.
Basically.
Absolutely in love with ALL of these Ideas ❤ keep it all alive, keep at it. It's inspiring
Thank you for all these wonderful videos Sir Quinn!!!
in the context of a timeline as long as one presented in a science fiction epic series, this final struggle is probably finding a way to revise or cheat physics and generate free energy in order to escape the heat-death of the universe wherein all energy and all resources in the universe are eventually all used up, or find a way to escape into another universe that hasnt been used up, or create a new one, or etc.
Heat death is Kralizec, truly scary, it is like famine or attrition, the final obstacle
The myth of the eternal return.
I like it when you speak to the camera. I think the gestures and facial expressions assist my absorbing of the info.
Great vids, keep it up
Thanks, Quinn. I always enjoy your episodes.
Great video. I always took Kralizec as essentially humanity being recycled. Recycled objects are burnt, twisted, ripped, etc. However all done with the intention of making something new/better. I believe the golden path was the process of being recycled and karlizec was the test to see if the new product was up to the challenge.
You have a very impressive literary analysis style and do a great job of marrying the deeper meanings of the scientific text with the literary subtext.
Love your approach. Visuals well chosen and stunning. Love your love for sf
one of the best videos you made Quinn !! Thanks
Appreciate your videos Quinn, you help consolidate some of the more abstract topics and themes in the dune books and make me realise more and more how much of a genius Herbert was to balance these deep and fundamental concepts with the story itself - absolutely mind blowing when you really stop and think about such talent - thanks for keeping us going until the movie drops, your videos are quality ✌️
Once again, a most wonderfully sublime analysis of the Dune Universe.... immense pleasure to listen to, indeed!
Bro you are amazing at narrating this. I absolutely enjoyed listening to you.
Excellent presentation as always Quin.
Whorf Hypothesis was also a major element in Villeneuve’s Arrival… Wheels within wheels within wheels
The like to dislike ratio shows how good this content is man, I love the content, your passion, you storytelling skills. Top notch stuff
Many thanks for doing this event. I've come to enjoy that time of year when suddenly my feed is flooded with good math videos
Hello from Norway! Love your videos, I've been binge watching them. You have a new sub!
Im happy you doing these vids Quinn. I think its a shame Frank Herbert is a bit forgotten as one of the greatest sci fi writers of all time. On par with Azimov, Clark and Niven to name a few. The Dune saga is nothing short than a brilliant piece of work. Cheers
The Whorf-hypothesis is actually called Sapir-Whorf-hypothesis, named after the two linguists who developed it. Nevertheless I enjoy the coincidence as well, since The Next Generation and Deep Space Nice are my favourite Star Trek series and I love Star Trek in general. :D
I also love how the late linguist and writer Suzette Hadin Elgin utilized it in her "Native Tongue" trilogy and her conlang Láadan
I need to read more, so I can watch the rest of your videos, on series I have explored yet. Your content is always great, being subscribed like have a book club of all the best books I can’t get friends and family to read. I can’t thank you enough for the content you make.
Thank you Quinn I always appreciate your work
Oh mighty RUclips AI, I leave this humble comment for thee.
Holy shit... imagine Leto being more prone to predict Kralizec due to the fatalistic characteristics of the Fremen language...
Thank you Quinn... That was amazing !!!! More Please
This is the content I subscribe for , Love your videos Quinn!
When it comes to Disasters there are only to kinds of People, those who are in the Area of effect and those who are not.
Hey Quinn, I would LOVE it if you put together a "what cloud have been in the 7th Dune book", and I suspect I am not the only one interested... what do you think? Great content as usual, by the way!
Really love your videos man, keep up the good work it is very appreciated!
You have an amazing channel. Super awesome stuff, also you have a very good voice for narration.
Is there just one Kralizec or a series of them? I couldn't help but think of the theory of a great filter (in the context of Fermi's Paradox) as maybe being the same thing. If we survive the great filter/Kralizec we get to advance to the next stage repeating the pattern over the aeons until we fail and are wiped out.
Keep that new format Quinn!
We are not prepared, but we can be, if the word of Herbert lives on in our minds. Let's share it, before the movie will popularize it
I just love the intro music and the music in your long form videos.
This is a wonderful breakdown. great work sir.
Im confused about something. if the bene Gs "incepted" the original Fremen myths towards the Quizhedrch. Did they also know about the enemy, or did the outcast come up with it on their own? if so, was the ultimate plan of the sisterhood to use the golden path all along?
let's hope that unlike the golden path our path doesn't require a tyrant to prepare us for the coming changes. i have little hope though as our answer for far too many problems consists of brute force, violence or war. Short term thinking is a huge problem just like dune taught us.
I really like the very challenging question that Dune proposes i.e. what if it is an "enlightened transhuman tyrant"?
Of course tyrants like that don't exist in our current reality, but it is a matter of fact that many supporters of tyrants see them as something akin to that.
Frank Herbert himself said that the essence of his story was to warn people against charismatic leaders. He does it in a really roudabout way by making the reader identify with the charismatic leader, but he never fails to address the damage that inflicts on everyone.
Idk I might be reducing it too much, but it seems like Frank's answer to fascism is more fascism...? Like we will keep having Hitlers until a Super Hitler comes along and scares us so bad that we don't have fascism anymore. Ok, that is really reducing it, but that's how I always interpreted it.
It will as a tyrant is the only way to free humanity from the Great Lie that is Religion
Great commentary. Love your channel.
Your videos are fantastic! Really enjoyed this one.
Frank Herbert’s Dune saga really got me to ask teenage me some really serious questions. Things I did not even fully grasp at the time. Now that I am older it does settle in and tempered me.
Are we sure, though, that the Kralizec was not Leto's II's rule? Are we sure Leto II was not also the great enemy?
many strong leaders create the idea of a phantom, external enemy to rally their forces.
Oh, Leto II *was* indeed the Great Tyrant.
He created himself to be the oppression so great, so persistent, that it would live on in genetic memory, and humanity would *never* allow itself to be subjugated ever again...
It seems to be an interesting theory, but I doubt Leto would see himself without knowing that he does!
one of your best, thanks
Recently discovered your channel. Very much enjoying it, sir!
I love your writing for these videos. It’s really grade A stuff. That’s why I always come back.
We seem to be going through Kralizec now.
Covid while tragic pales in comparison to the horrors of antiquity. The black plague killed 100-200 million in 4 years, roughly half of Europe's population.
You think this is Kralizec now? Kralizec has not even begun.
Oh no, this is nothing, this is trivial compared to that
@@maggs131Agreed. The actual Wuhan/China virus isn t the horror. The actual horror is how easily all the normies and zombie clones that look human have succumbed to the propaganda madness and hysteria with little to no protest, skepticism or critical analysis.
@@SOBIESKI_freedom ooh you're one of those types. Look bud, the mass manipulation we're seeing now is no different from the one that existed before covid
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate your perspectives.
I have been loving your vids sir..
The universe is in danger
*plays some Megadeth
Okay, but why the name Paul though? I would genuinely prefer any other name. (Sorry to the Pauls)
Ouch
I think it's a biblical thing but honestly I can't even argue with this one...
No offence to the Pauls of the world!
The one that always gets me is Duncan Idaho. It really takes me out of the fiction.
Daniel tryna learn dune lore? MORE DUNE BOOK REVIEWS?
Wow Quinn, that was a great video!
It is good to hear someone discuss Herbert's Dune in a truly thoughtful manner.
Everyone knows you can only detect radon with a dewalt battery
I've tried reading Dune multiple times. It's very interesting, I feel it's a little too smart for me. I still enjoy your videos though!
So good,brada loved it . I feel like once we get to tha nxt level of understanding more will be revealed. Wich would be glorious and terrible. Thanks Quinn for your time.
Quinn you speak wisdom of the ages, uniting in symbiosis many teachings, while using calm tone, it makes music to my ears.