So, here it is! Possibly the most anticipated video in the history of my channel so far. I hope it lived up to expectations, but honestly, this was a very difficult subject to think about. I waited three months to make it because I was sure Isayama would answer all my questions with the last few chapters. Instead, ever question answered came with three new questions asked. I will say that some of the speculation aspect of this was fun, though. I really can't mind if people disagree with the video because so much is up to how you interpret it. So, be sure to tell me how you feel about this subject? What do you think is the limits of his strength and how do you interpret this stuff? Be sure to let me know, I want to hear it.
I just wanna ask a question the founder was said to come from the source of all things and the path was also created by it in the path we saw eren changing the plain the way he wanted making his hometown an volcanic plan and the ocean itself theoretically could it recreate the universe like in the manga it has been said time and time again that the founding titan is like god if the founder could make a dimension beyond space and time beyond life and death couldn't it just create a black hole of it wanted to
@@Joker-jw1iq That's a very interesting way of looking at it. When I read that scene, my interpretation was that the scenery was being pulled from memories, like how he was giving other people memories. To say he could physically create that would have a lot of implications. It did in fact say that the founder can make anything from the paths. If we take that at face value, then I can't discount something like that. At the same time, that raises the issue of an output limit. Could Eren produce a universe's worth if energy? I'm not sure. It's a massive claim that has a lot of implications but at the same time, an argument could be made for it. And if that's the case, that makes Eren A LOT physically stronger than we've been shown. It would mean he could kill most other character in other series. I just also cant be sure about it.
If Eren was actually trying, he would've slaughter the alliance in less than a minute. He may not be DBZ/Superhero Comics power level, but he's sure more powerful compared to most manga universes
@@Joker-jw1iq Base on stats alone, along with the fact that Erens "immunity" to dying can be taken away if the Source of All Life was taken away from him Eren doesn't even stand a chance agaisnt Slice of Life shows because these tend to be set in the modern world and the modern army is more than enough to decimate Eren.
@@bigapple9510 the reason the source died was because ymir wanted it to die. The source could potentially respawn indefinitely if the founder wants it to since its not bound to a physical form.
So basically in a death match eren stalemates because he can't die, but in a fight he loses because he doesn't have the power to hurt his opponents, makes sense and great take on eren and his powers.
Yeah that about sums up my thoughts. It gets trickier when you start to think about upper dimensional characters, but that's how I look at it for MOST characters. Glad you enjoyed the video!
It seems like the founder: can give titan powers to anybody (titan powers being randomly given after the host dies) change the max number of shifters (The power was first split into 3. Then eventually 9) modify the form of any titan shifter (eren changing his titan into a colossal titan and each titan having a unique design) disabling titan powers (the characters claiming that eren could easily stop them) changing the past and knowing the future (dina eating carla) Regenerate infinitely from nothing (ymir building bodies) Possibly extending it's power to every living creature (if the worm is in fact the source of all living matter) Eren could potentially turn EVERY subject of ymir into a titan shifter or atleast a mindless colossal titan and turn them back anytime he wants and possibly controlling any living creature. If it wasn't for him wanting to lose, literally nobody could oppose him.
Small correction: he never changes the past, but is simply responsible for events that happened in the past. It’s a little bit of a paradox but yeah there’s no alternate timelines or anything
@@Ismael-kc3ry yeah that was the easiest way to say it. Just wanted to say the attack titan could be responsible for things in the past and effect the events that should be out of his time.
In my opinion Eren like you said would be absolutely insane in AoT if he wasn’t doing what he was planning. Because technically Ymir/Eren should be able to summon spam Colossal Titans onto Marley. We see that Eren can affect the Eldians in both Paradis and Marley when he drops them all in the paths for a few moments. So like you said if you remove the ideals and focus mainly on his power it’s even more crazy even if he isn’t fighting an Eldian. As for if Ymir could affect everyone if she saw fit I’d say that it might be the case, after all Ymir would probably only see her people as Servants like she was taught, kind of like Gabi. Which is probably around the time her mind is changed by Mikasa not siding with Eren at the final moment the power of the Titans is gone. I mean if you think about it the power of the Titans shouldn’t be able to affect Mikasa at all hence why Ackermans were persecuted by the King because they would always remember. But remember Eren apparently messed everyone’s memories, even Mikasa says that her memories of Eren visiting her have returned, which shouldn’t be possible based off what we believed, maybe Isayama wanted Armin to say what he did because it was truly just Ymir seeing things differently
Yeah I didnt bring it up, but the thing with Makasa's memories has been bugging me ever since the chapter came out. Saying that limit is artificial fixes that issue pretty nicely, then.
Quick question, does this mean Eren could summon or control the Founding Titan and the Rumbling without needing Zeke's help? Like, it it Standard for him? I'm an anime only, so I dunno the full context to his abilities yet, and I sorta feel like this video just further confused me lmao
It's hard to explain because a lot of this video was just me trying to unpack implications in a way that made sense. The best way I can put it is that the rules dictate that he needed Zeke, but the rules themselves are kinda implied to be artificially in place. Frankly, I'm a bit confused myself still.
Zenith always makes top quality content. I have zero fear in hitting that like button before I even finish the video and the like is always deserving by the end. No regrets:p
You made a great video. It's awesome😍. Here is something you might have missed, King Fritz wanted eldiyans to be the strongest so Yamir gave Eldiyans the Titan powers because she loved Karl Fritz,
Yeah, I can see people taking that interpretation. It's fiction, though. Unless a character has true omnipotence, there's always some other character that can beat them. Plus the whole point of the video is just "maybe this is the case. I dont fucking know, isayama wont tell us anything"
There's this speculation too that I've been thinking few months ago. Can Ymir create a Titan so Behemoth it surpasses even Eren's founding in height? So gigantic that its mere steps can wreck havoc? Also since she can modify the titan's body can she create a titan that adapts in combat & environment? Cause that would be OP af.
She can make titans as big as she wants, but it would mean nothing, it would end up as a Rod titan. Eren's titan form was taken specifically to minimize weight and maximize size for intimidation and not for combat. We know that eren was not only holding back, but giving an edge to the people who wanted him dead or to lose
@@TheoVad The biggest a titan can get with flesh and stay functional is probably the collosal titan of the 9 not the wall collosals. If any bigger would need to sacrifice some flesh like yimir's titan which was half bone
A bit late to the party here, but i had a thought about the founder's infinite creation ability. So we know that the founder can create anything out of the sand/clay in the paths, and we know that time is irrelevant in them as a split second in reality can be years in the paths, that doesn't just mean that the founder can create millions of hybrid titans in a split second, knowing that the size of those titans has no limits, and the only thing stopping the founder from creating titans bigger than Eren's founder is that they wouldn't be able to move, shouldn't the founder be theoretically able to create an infinite mass of titan flesh that covers the entirety of existence? There's no evidence that suggests that the sand in the paths is finite, and the same goes for time, shouldn't that mean, that if Ymir/Eren wanted, they could cover the entire universe in titan flesh, causing the end of everything?
@@ZenithAniMangathe question right now is who is it going to be this time because last time it was Broly perhaps it could be Cooler,Janemba,or heck even Moro who knows.
Well, this movie is probably going to take place after the moro arc, so moro is probably out of the equation. I think they're gonna have it focus on a new character. I think with Broly, they just wanted to use his popularity and bring him into the canon. Now that they have an established audience with the movies, they can just have a new character be the villain of it. I wouldnt be surprised if Broly came back as an ally though.
I like to think that Eren could give his Titans any abilities he wants, like giving them doomsday adaptability or something along does lines if he wanted too
Unfortunately that would get incredibly repetitive as lot of them have very similar stats. That being said, I do plan to eventually release a video on how the different titan shifters compare in their strengths. Although I also have other videos planned before that so the exact timeline isnt certain.
@@ZenithAniManga yeah you should read the comic I just started and the tv show changed a lot of stuff like amber is white in the comic not black, I would just read the comic cause I like it better and thanks foe replying.
Yeah I read it came out. I liked it a lot on a conceptual level, as it removes a lot of my issues with the ending. Im glad a lot of the Ymir stuff was removed. It just also falls into some of the tropes typical of fanfiction, and it does show the inexperience of the writer working on it. You can see my full thoughts on it on twitter though: twitter.com/ZenithAni/status/1398938118498050049?s=19
So, here it is! Possibly the most anticipated video in the history of my channel so far. I hope it lived up to expectations, but honestly, this was a very difficult subject to think about. I waited three months to make it because I was sure Isayama would answer all my questions with the last few chapters. Instead, ever question answered came with three new questions asked. I will say that some of the speculation aspect of this was fun, though. I really can't mind if people disagree with the video because so much is up to how you interpret it. So, be sure to tell me how you feel about this subject? What do you think is the limits of his strength and how do you interpret this stuff? Be sure to let me know, I want to hear it.
I just wanna ask a question the founder was said to come from the source of all things and the path was also created by it in the path we saw eren changing the plain the way he wanted making his hometown an volcanic plan and the ocean itself theoretically could it recreate the universe like in the manga it has been said time and time again that the founding titan is like god if the founder could make a dimension beyond space and time beyond life and death couldn't it just create a black hole of it wanted to
@@Joker-jw1iq That's a very interesting way of looking at it. When I read that scene, my interpretation was that the scenery was being pulled from memories, like how he was giving other people memories. To say he could physically create that would have a lot of implications. It did in fact say that the founder can make anything from the paths. If we take that at face value, then I can't discount something like that. At the same time, that raises the issue of an output limit. Could Eren produce a universe's worth if energy? I'm not sure. It's a massive claim that has a lot of implications but at the same time, an argument could be made for it. And if that's the case, that makes Eren A LOT physically stronger than we've been shown. It would mean he could kill most other character in other series. I just also cant be sure about it.
@@ZenithAniManga There was a seen in which it was said the founder has no limit to it's stamina
In reality, the founder can not only affect Eldians, but everyone is due to the power of the worm that is not limited to anyone.
@@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441 Yeah, that does seem to be an implication made here and there.
If Eren was actually trying, he would've slaughter the alliance in less than a minute.
He may not be DBZ/Superhero Comics power level, but he's sure more powerful compared to most manga universes
Most? manga? Universe?
@@bigapple9510 Meaning he is the stronger even compared to many other manga universes
@@Joker-jw1iq Base on stats alone, along with the fact that Erens "immunity" to dying can be taken away if the Source of All Life was taken away from him Eren doesn't even stand a chance agaisnt Slice of Life shows because these tend to be set in the modern world and the modern army is more than enough to decimate Eren.
The alliance would die in 1 second since eren can control every eldian
@@bigapple9510 the reason the source died was because ymir wanted it to die. The source could potentially respawn indefinitely if the founder wants it to since its not bound to a physical form.
So basically in a death match eren stalemates because he can't die, but in a fight he loses because he doesn't have the power to hurt his opponents, makes sense and great take on eren and his powers.
Yeah that about sums up my thoughts. It gets trickier when you start to think about upper dimensional characters, but that's how I look at it for MOST characters. Glad you enjoyed the video!
It seems like the founder:
can give titan powers to anybody (titan powers being randomly given after the host dies)
change the max number of shifters (The power was first split into 3. Then eventually 9)
modify the form of any titan shifter (eren changing his titan into a colossal titan and each titan having a unique design)
disabling titan powers (the characters claiming that eren could easily stop them)
changing the past and knowing the future (dina eating carla)
Regenerate infinitely from nothing (ymir building bodies)
Possibly extending it's power to every living creature (if the worm is in fact the source of all living matter)
Eren could potentially turn EVERY subject of ymir into a titan shifter or atleast a mindless colossal titan and turn them back anytime he wants and possibly controlling any living creature. If it wasn't for him wanting to lose, literally nobody could oppose him.
Took me 2 min and 30 sec to read
@@Rustydustycucumbers are you satisfied?
@@slimretro2659 i am
Small correction: he never changes the past, but is simply responsible for events that happened in the past. It’s a little bit of a paradox but yeah there’s no alternate timelines or anything
@@Ismael-kc3ry yeah that was the easiest way to say it. Just wanted to say the attack titan could be responsible for things in the past and effect the events that should be out of his time.
How strong is eren?
Long answer-yeah pretty strong
Short answer- Levi
Lmao I almost missed the joke
In my opinion Eren like you said would be absolutely insane in AoT if he wasn’t doing what he was planning. Because technically Ymir/Eren should be able to summon spam Colossal Titans onto Marley. We see that Eren can affect the Eldians in both Paradis and Marley when he drops them all in the paths for a few moments. So like you said if you remove the ideals and focus mainly on his power it’s even more crazy even if he isn’t fighting an Eldian. As for if Ymir could affect everyone if she saw fit I’d say that it might be the case, after all Ymir would probably only see her people as Servants like she was taught, kind of like Gabi. Which is probably around the time her mind is changed by Mikasa not siding with Eren at the final moment the power of the Titans is gone. I mean if you think about it the power of the Titans shouldn’t be able to affect Mikasa at all hence why Ackermans were persecuted by the King because they would always remember. But remember Eren apparently messed everyone’s memories, even Mikasa says that her memories of Eren visiting her have returned, which shouldn’t be possible based off what we believed, maybe Isayama wanted Armin to say what he did because it was truly just Ymir seeing things differently
Yeah I didnt bring it up, but the thing with Makasa's memories has been bugging me ever since the chapter came out. Saying that limit is artificial fixes that issue pretty nicely, then.
@@ZenithAniManga Same here
5:53 the scene where Zeke is stampeding with all those titian animals makes so much more sense now
Quick question, does this mean Eren could summon or control the Founding Titan and the Rumbling without needing Zeke's help? Like, it it Standard for him?
I'm an anime only, so I dunno the full context to his abilities yet, and I sorta feel like this video just further confused me lmao
It's hard to explain because a lot of this video was just me trying to unpack implications in a way that made sense. The best way I can put it is that the rules dictate that he needed Zeke, but the rules themselves are kinda implied to be artificially in place. Frankly, I'm a bit confused myself still.
Zenith always makes top quality content. I have zero fear in hitting that like button before I even finish the video and the like is always deserving by the end. No regrets:p
Thank you, reading that really made my day
You made a great video. It's awesome😍.
Here is something you might have missed, King Fritz wanted eldiyans to be the strongest so Yamir gave Eldiyans the Titan powers because she loved Karl Fritz,
9:36 I really hope people don't see this video and think that Eren is unbeatable XD
Yeah, I can see people taking that interpretation. It's fiction, though. Unless a character has true omnipotence, there's always some other character that can beat them. Plus the whole point of the video is just "maybe this is the case. I dont fucking know, isayama wont tell us anything"
There's this speculation too that I've been thinking few months ago. Can Ymir create a Titan so Behemoth it surpasses even Eren's founding in height? So gigantic that its mere steps can wreck havoc?
Also since she can modify the titan's body can she create a titan that adapts in combat & environment? Cause that would be OP af.
The Female Titan is specifically stated to be able to adapt to her opponents and even copy other Titan Shifters' powers
She can make titans as big as she wants, but it would mean nothing, it would end up as a Rod titan. Eren's titan form was taken specifically to minimize weight and maximize size for intimidation and not for combat. We know that eren was not only holding back, but giving an edge to the people who wanted him dead or to lose
@@Fuphu I mean she could make a behemoth titan with stable body that brokes square cube law but its power will cost lack of speed.
@@TheoVad The biggest a titan can get with flesh and stay functional is probably the collosal titan of the 9 not the wall collosals. If any bigger would need to sacrifice some flesh like yimir's titan which was half bone
@@Fuphu How big is Ymir titan thou? Well yes you need to reduce the flesh if it gets any bigger cause it'll be crushed under its own weight.
Ah yeah finally, been waiting for this 🦧
This video should have way more views than it has
A bit late to the party here, but i had a thought about the founder's infinite creation ability. So we know that the founder can create anything out of the sand/clay in the paths, and we know that time is irrelevant in them as a split second in reality can be years in the paths, that doesn't just mean that the founder can create millions of hybrid titans in a split second, knowing that the size of those titans has no limits, and the only thing stopping the founder from creating titans bigger than Eren's founder is that they wouldn't be able to move, shouldn't the founder be theoretically able to create an infinite mass of titan flesh that covers the entirety of existence? There's no evidence that suggests that the sand in the paths is finite, and the same goes for time, shouldn't that mean, that if Ymir/Eren wanted, they could cover the entire universe in titan flesh, causing the end of everything?
I have been waiting for this
great video as always, lived up to the hype can’t wait for what you have next
Basically paths are op
I wanna see
Apparently a new Dragon Ball Super movie is going to be released in 2022..........
I heard about that and I'm really looking forward to it!
@@ZenithAniMangathe question right now is who is it going to be this time because last time it was Broly perhaps it could be Cooler,Janemba,or heck even Moro who knows.
Well, this movie is probably going to take place after the moro arc, so moro is probably out of the equation. I think they're gonna have it focus on a new character. I think with Broly, they just wanted to use his popularity and bring him into the canon. Now that they have an established audience with the movies, they can just have a new character be the villain of it. I wouldnt be surprised if Broly came back as an ally though.
@@ZenithAniManga yeah you do have a really good point there......
@@ZenithAniManga maybe cooler since freiza implies he needs an ally
I like to think that Eren could give his Titans any abilities he wants, like giving them doomsday adaptability or something along does lines if he wanted too
There’s a theory that Eren can make Mikasa’s cheeks go cake
Could you do more aot power-scaling videos on every other titan shifters?
Unfortunately that would get incredibly repetitive as lot of them have very similar stats. That being said, I do plan to eventually release a video on how the different titan shifters compare in their strengths. Although I also have other videos planned before that so the exact timeline isnt certain.
@@ZenithAniManga How about power-scaling specific feats in aot?
yo have you heard about invincible
Yeah binged it last week. Really dug it. Havent decided if I'm gonna read the comic though.
@@ZenithAniManga You should it is awesome
@@ZenithAniManga yeah you should read the comic I just started and the tv show changed a lot of stuff like amber is white in the comic not black, I would just read the comic cause I like it better and thanks foe replying.
『ゴWhen you ACTUALLY REALISE that EREN YEAGER shares the same VOICE ACTOR with JOHNNY JOESTARゴ』
Same with Erwin/Jotaro ane Zeke/DIO
Eren can destroy humanity if he want to if he can just create infinite colossals I think he is just giving humanity a chance to fight back
I have a founding titan no way
So eren beating manga tanjiro?
Tanjiro could probably last a couple minutes. Maybe.
Yes ofcourse
@@Joker-jw1iq eren sir😳
i wanna watch the video but i haven’t read the mangaaaa
All good. When the anime ends, I'm gonna make a more in depth version of this video
@@ZenithAniMangait’s time
You probably forgot that comment, I ha be watched the ending and I think anime Eren is less powerful
Yo did you see AOT no Requiem?
Yeah I read it came out. I liked it a lot on a conceptual level, as it removes a lot of my issues with the ending. Im glad a lot of the Ymir stuff was removed. It just also falls into some of the tropes typical of fanfiction, and it does show the inexperience of the writer working on it. You can see my full thoughts on it on twitter though:
twitter.com/ZenithAni/status/1398938118498050049?s=19
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