It's Not Enough -- Voddie Baucham
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2023
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Original Sermon: The Need for Reformation in Evangelical Ecclesiology
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I am more concerned about whether I have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in me than whether I measure up to the standards mapped out in “the age of the reformation.”
Reformation happend on October 31, 1517. Hate to break it to you but the fact that protestantism even exists is because of the reformers. It was much needed. The reformers didn't call themselves reformers. They just wanted to be called biblical Christians.
that's part of the point..........
@@bjornegan6421 as much as I respect Voddie, I doubt God gives Calvinists higher favor. Their theology is simply making the gospel complicated. You're either a Catholic or Protestant, which would be the reformed theology. Idk why Calvinists think they have to muddy the waters, causing more confusion among believers. They need to stop. 🤦🏼♀️
Amen
But "Calvinism" is Christianity, and so much more than just TULIP. A True Christian would meet the defining characteristics of a "Calvinist" and vice versa. People are getting hung up on semantics.
Voddie is one of the many intelligent and thoughtful teachers who want people to understand the basics: God is good. We are not good. Salvation is found in faith in Jesus Christ alone.
@@user-cl7jw7td5q when did Christ pray in tongues or instruct us to?
Reading comprehension is at an all-time low.
@@ToneCabinet yeah, and
@@ToneCabineti love John pipers admitted embarrassment when he said he wanted to think what he was doing is true but he wadnt being true to not himself but only CHRIST! stupidly saying and thinking he was speaming intelligently when he would "pray in tounges" is actually not true. "avalisherm a Alisha ahahahajajahahahshsa YAAAAHHHHH!!!!" MY MOTHER DOES THAT! OH GOD HELP ME! Iim so embarrassment of her. Sadly Protestantism has creeped through the backdoor of Catholicism. AND my dear mother thinks saying and yelling gibberish "with the authority of christ" brings her close to GOD ☠️💀 BRUH! SHE COULDNT HAVE BEEN SO WRONG BUR SHE IS! SO SAD! im now thinking to converting to orthodoxy because theyre safe so im feeling whatever. Catholicism and Orthodoxy got those saints who God used to work Great endless miracles that humans cant count. God can so they arent endless. But theyre literally endless for us. The miracles that werent scientifically empirical proven is okay because whatever people were healed brcause they neared the dead saints relic and we're healed was because 3. GOD JESUS The Christ. The saints holiness Godly and suffering. And also the relics. And faith of the person. Dont doubt. Protestantism has holy men women. But no saints. How sad. Truly. And the women and men wear sexual clothing that is revealing 😢😭. Im definitely gonna buy a farm and raise my females and my males there do thy not learn sinful ways of the olden world of satan. Im 21 and i dont want mt children to become ipad kids. So sad! God bless us!
This comment section is very strange
Number one:
Half the people here are claiming that Voddie believes you have to be Reformed to be saved
No, he’s addressing how someone worships God
And he’s saying people who don’t follow the Regulative Principle of Worship cannot call themselves Reformed
Reformed does not = saved
Reformed also does not = damned
Voddie at no point here was talking about Salvation
Number two:
Many people here seem to believe that Reformed folk hold to works salvation
Reformed theology doesn’t teach you’re saved by works, rather it teaches the opposite, that nothing you do can save you, and that your works are like dirty rags to God
Reformed Theology does teach however, that works are the offspring of salvation. IE, if you believe in Christ, you will do good works, because you love Christ
“If you love me, keep my commandments”
Someone not following Gods commands and actively rejecting Him is good proof that they don’t actually believe
As Jesus said
“You will know them by their fruits”
The whole idea of works salvation is ridiculous in Reformed theology, because it literally teaches that you cannot even choose God on your own
Rather Jesus chooses you (John 15:16)
The whole point of unconditional election is that God doesn’t choose you based off anything to do with you
Rather that Gods Grace is completely unmerited
They backload the works for salvation, I don’t see the difference 🤷♂️
@@josephwhite8850
Bottom line: Works do not save. God's grace by faith in Christ saves. Good works are a result of salvation, not a way of salvation. Christ died for us. If you believe, you will be saved. Although, saying I believe and living that way can be two completely different things. Thus, you will know them by their fruit.
@@seem0ney so works don’t save you until you are saved, then works keep you saved, that’s the Calvinistic view, some people are busy inspecting other people fruit and can’t tell that their fruit is rotten.
@@josephwhite8850 By their fruit you will know them. An oak tree cannot produce apples and become an apple tree. But, I can know that a tree is an apple tree because it produces apples and the apple tree did not produce apples to become an apple tree.
It's impossible to know you're saved under Calvinism. How do you know if you were chosen? How do you know what amount of works are required to maintain your salvation? How do you even know the works/faith is genuine? Works are either required or they're not, it can't be both
I have turned from my sins, and people who know me have seen a massive change in my life style. I’ve been compared to a monk and have been called a “fun killer” I can’t tell you how much I have turned my life around in the name of Jesus, all Glory to Jesus and I feel confident . I know Voodie means well and I myself a “baby Christian” can see he is a true man of God, I can’t help but doubt myself each time I watch him. He is so far up there in his faith that for those of us who are young genuine Christian’s who are trying our best it can be scary to listen to. I still can’t help myself but to listen and learn from him. God bless him and all glory to Jesus for every thing he has done in my life. I would not be here like this today if not for my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Amen 🙏
Amen! I totally get what you're saying. There's a story in the Bible about the widow's mite. She had very little to give. She gave nothing compared to others, but what she gave was all she had. Therefore, her gift was far more of a sacrifice and of value. The Lord said she would be remembered. Read the story. I'm messing the story. But anyway my point is, God meets everyone of us where we are. When we look horizontally we feel less than others. However, when we measure ourselves vertically, we are all equal. You don't worry about Voodie. He's made differently than you and you are made differently than me. One body, many parts. Just keep on keeping your eyes fixed on your Savior and purpose to fall deeper in love with Him. The more in love you become for the Triune God (father son holy spirit), the more obedient you'll naturally become.
And in saying that, today is Valentined day. He is the pure and total essence of LOVE. That's how we are to know love. Receive His love, be blessed and be a blessing. ❤
Wow, how do I say this without stepping on a "what did you say? A baby Christian. Ok, first off, you said i, i, i, i, you know who else used " i "?
Lucifer (KJV) Isaiah 14: 12- 15. Take a look for yourself.
Always remember (KJV) Ephesians 2:9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Also never put faith in any man for all men are wicked. (KJV) Romans 3: 10- 31 There is none good, no not one.
Don't let anyone stier you away from the king james version of the bible. There is a reason why there are many different books however only one standard for GODS word. Amen, Amen and Amen.
🙏🏻💤
@@BURCH1776 There’s always one. I love you 😊
@@BURCH1776 Also, there is plenty of scripture I could throw your way. Yes I said “I”… it is actually an every day part of my every day language, our every day language. If your trying to imply that I’m prideful because of that, then that’s your issue. Also, the Ephesians, Romans and Isiah verses I am fully aware of, I am a Theology student so it would be some what sad if I wasn’t aware of just some of the Bible. But thank you for you enlightening advice . I will be sure to take that up with the Lord Jesus Christ. Peace be to you 😊
@user-ie1qh7pk6m
No, you miss understand. "I" was only making an observation. Most people who turn their lives over to GOD usually say God did so and so not "i" by saying I tell me that you did it and there is no need for God. But what do I know? I never went to the Seminary to learn what the teacher knew. "I" just read the KJV Bible and believe every word to be true. I don't depend on men. Just GOD, JESUS, THE HOLY SPIRIT, and the word of GOD. I hope and pray you find the truth the way and the life.
Amen, Amen, and Amen, 🙏🏻
Living Our lives in service to Jesus are the best worship we can give. All we do is like filthy rags. In Christ Alone.
Our lives a Bible, believing Christ followers is to spread the gospel. That's it. No more no less. It's not about us It's about a king and his kingdom.
Voddie baucam. Is talented. I do lesson to him. How ever I do check on what he says. I'm put off by his reading the NES book. However I do think he is trying to do the right thing. The book he reads out of and being a Calvinist. Leave me on shaky ground with this man.
I would say look at the whole sermon.
Look in the description
who cares if you’re “reformed” repent & follow christ. Follow the example of Christ & the apostles.
Theology/doctrine matters. Who you believe Jesus is makes a difference.
Here is is also referring to the abhorrent worship style coming from Bethel and Hillsong that have been adopted by many churches
@@neverpc4404💯 Statements like, I just follow Jesus, are extremely shallow. There are many versions of Jesus out there, but only one that is true.
Actually Aaron, I agree with you.
@@neverpc4404 yes i’m saying the simplicity of what jesus & the apostles taught gets complicated with all this “reformed” talk. Jesus & his apostles did not make disciples with the 5 points of calvin & call themselves reformed they kept Gods commands & didn’t categorize the gospel like that. That’s why i don’t get the focus on these philosophies in which some add to the gospel christ & the disciples taught.
@@aaronshipp8766 Calvinism & reformed are simply was to summarize the beliefs/doctrines the apostles wrote in the New Testament. We are commanded to study to show our selves approved…rightly dividing the word of truth.
Very well stated!
Rev.. Voddie is one great man of God
Amen! Praise Christ for biblical truth.
Reform...used to do/sell drugs and just do random nonsense that probably infuriating certain people. I went thru the withdrawals only to still drink and smoke ands take Adderall and finally I'm a year sober from Adderall and currently battling weed and alcohol. Quit date starts now. Wish me luck yall.
One of the best preachers.
Praise god for Voddie Baucham's message.
I am have a lot to learn there are so many new terms being used I am confused. False preachers, bad worship songs and TV series. I feel I should just stay home and read my Bible until I learn more instead of joining a bad church and lose my way. I really don’t know what to do.
So we’re building our religion on principles of our reformed version of Christianity, and not the Bible. Got it.
Exactly. I dont think they'd know how to live without Calvin. They'd sure do fine without the Bible though.
Reformation happend on October 31, 1517. Hate to break it to you but the fact that protestantism even exists is because of the reformers. It was much needed. The reformers didn't call themselves reformers. They just wanted to be called biblical Christians.
@@AdventureSMBW lol calvin didn't invent the 5 points. He didn't invent anything. He merely read the Bible and made it easier for us to understand instead of relying on mary-worshipping catholics.
@@AdventureSMBWWhat a silly thing to say.
@@goosieschmoo8239 I don't need TULIP to tell me what Jesus already said In His Word. Tenets etc are almost just as bad as rituals. I just live by what the Bible says. I'm so tired of organized religion. Calvinists are weird
Voddie, you are my pastor
“Let them praise his name with dancing, making melody to him with tambourine and lyre!” -Psalm 149:3
I prefer traditional worship; hymnals, soft instruments.
I respect traditions that worship in any way they choose and the Bible allows this. No where does it say we must only sing hymnals. Nowhere does it say we must have a rock band.
Though I do think smoke machines and extravagant light shows are in poor taste. And I do agree with the traditionalists who think contemporary worship is too “man-centered”.
Love listening to Voddie. Another point for people commenting is that you don't need to follow a calvinist soteriology to be "reformed". The reformation was not only brought about by calvinist leaning people. So conflating the term reformed and calvinism to be the same thing, is not strictly true. Just a small point that I hope cause reformed believers to consider and investigate....from a fellow reformed, non calvinist brother in Christ. 🙂
AMEN🙏
JESUS CHRIST IS SOON TO COME! JESUS CHRIST REQUIRES REPENTANCE! "REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST!" ACTS 2:38
How do you know?
@@jermoosekek1101The Bible says so ....!!!! 🎤
I’d love to listen to the whole link on this 😊
this guy is highly esteemed among men
Not to many. But Jesus is more so.
The Morpheus of Christianity
Underrated comment 😂😂😂😂💯💯💯💯
AMEN
A reformed understanding of the Bible and the sovereignty of God should lead to a lifestyle of reformed worship.
You don't need a reformed understanding of the bible. You need a biblical understanding of the reformation.
@@AdventureSMBW I agree with that we do need clear biblical teaching in this day.
@AdventureSMBW One and the same. The Bible practically screams the sovereignty of God to be true if you study it with your mind open to what it says rather than an attitude of "Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up. "
and Jesus called a little child......reform your heart
As a staunch reformed believer of 30 years, I now realize it’s all bunk. I have gone Eastern Orthodox.
Thank you, keep turning that light on for us and the lost world.
I keep it simple!!!! I follow KING JESUS🙏
Amen & Amen ....!!!!!😄👑✨
🙏❤
I’ll be honest, I don’t understand any of what he said. I don’t understand any of these terms yet. I’m just trying to grow in faith and learn to walk in the Spirit. Can someone explain this?
Who’s John Calvin and what is the doctrine of grace is a good start… very rich, so excited for you my friend you (you will find the 5 points on those searches)
Good Works cannot save you, they mean nothing to God as far as salvation is concerned, you must believe in Jesus Christ and His payment for your sins, you cannot believe in your good works only Faith in Christ! John 3:16
You dont need to understand "reformed." Thats not important, despite what they'll tell you. Bury yourself in your Bible. God will see to it that you grow
The Reformation happend on October 31, 1517. Protestantism exists because of the reformers. It was much needed. The reformers didn't call themselves reformers. They just wanted to be called biblical Christians. it's about getting to the roots and the truth of the Word.
@@AdventureSMBW❤ 100%! Reform is a man made up doctrine. Calvin was a man, we don’t follow mere men! Stick to the Bible and don’t let anyone else try to put anything else on you. Having said that, I do love Voddie. I agree with him on 90% of what he says but definitely not on reform or Calvinism. Stick to the Bible and don’t get sidetracked.
I dont think when we get to heaven jesus will ask us if we were reformed or if we were a calvinist.
Theology’s concern is to know God and to have a right view of God. Therefore, without doctrine you will have a blurry view of God, unless you immerse yourself deeply in the word of God, which our forefathers in faith did already and found a systematical way to know God. So if you choose to take the route to know God depending solely in your own study and without the work of the reformers and the confessions, it will require an intensive labour way more than you could ever imagine. And dont’t get me wrong it will also require hard labour even if you are reading the reformers and the confessions, but you will understand who God is way more clearly than if you would not read thos materials.
@Dawit_g I have doctrine but holding reformed views or calvinistic views is a waste. Pre mill, and osas are things I hold to. Appreciate the response
I know reformed were very honest and falsely accusing me of absolutely disgusting things at the church I was at the other night so reformed churches I try to avoid now
Surely you're not referring to Voddie Baucham as a "religious zealot looking for the approval of men"! If so, you couldn't possibly be more WRONG. You need to listen to A LOT MORE of his sermons to understand this godly man and his entirely biblical messages.
He is an unashamed all-in Calvinist. Preaching Calvinism: Only a random pre-chosen some will irresistibly turn to Christ, consequently all others have been arbitrarily preordained to destruction by God's divine decree... that's another gospel!!!
Maybe he is not looking for the approval of men, but that doesn't mean he isn't a religious zealot. The apostle Paul was a religious zealot before he was converted to Christianity. The Bible speaks of others who were religious zealots who didn't have proper knowledge of the truth. Calvinism definitely diminishes the power of the Gospel, which in turn diminishes the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I guarantee that God is an equal opportunity Savior, and anyone who teaches otherwise is teaching another gospel. And, we know what the Bible says about that. It is way more serious than most people are willing to acknowledge. There is only one Gospel that saves. Calvinism is NOT that gospel. It is the power of the Gospel that leads to salvation by faith in that Gospel. It is NOT the power of predestination. Predestination, if understood properly, means that God predestined His plan that those who believe will be saved, and He predestined all who believe to receive certain promises, etc. There is nothing biblical about God predestinating people according to His choice, but rather He chose to predestine those who choose to believe. That is what the Bible teaches. We have the exact same example with Israel. God chose Israel, but only those who chose to believe God's promises were truly of God. Obviously, "chosen" doesn't equal salvation. Since Christ's death and resurrection, He has sent the Holy Spirit to convict the WORLD of sin, righteousness, and judgement, so nobody has an excuse. As the first chapter of Romans tells us, God has given EVERYONE sufficient evidence of truth, but some CHOOSE to suppress the truth. It all boils down to the fact that God desires ALL men to be saved and gives ALL men the opportunity to choose to acknowledge the way that HE has planned for salvation. Proper understanding of this is a matter of life and death. Wrong Gospel=wrong plan=no salvation.
@@mikelyons2831I don’t know if you know. Calvinism is the MOST HATED denomination of all.
And that’s because - false christian’s disobedience is exposed by the doctrines of grace. They get mad because the God of the Bible is sovereign and doesn’t bow to the idol of man’s free will (which not only isn’t in the Bible, is explicitly taught against)
Corinthians 2:14 “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.”
Corinthians 4:4 “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”
Ephesians 2:1-3 “And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.”
Romans 7:18 “For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.”
Ephesians 2:15 “By abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace.”
Romans 5:12,19 “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned… or as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.”
Psalm 143:2 “And do not enter into judgment with Your servant, for in Your sight no man living is righteous.”
Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
2 Chronicles 6:36 “When they sin against You (for there is no man who does not sin) and You are angry with them and deliver them to an enemy, so that they take them away captive to a land far off or near.”
Isaiah 53:6 “All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.”
Mark 7:21-23 “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23 All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”
Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
1 Corinthians 1:18 “For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”
Romans 8:7 “Because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so.”
This Man is a Great Man of God like Paul Washer!
@@graftme3168 Calvinism doesn't diminish the power of the gospel. It's the only way the gospel, if it is true, can save anyone. Pelagianists argue that Calvinism "limits the atonement", but that's disingenuous to argue, because unless you're a universalist, you believe in sine kind of limited atonement. Pelagianists and Calvinists both believe in a limited atonement. Pelagianists believe that everyone has the potential to be saved, and Calvisnists believe some are guaranteed to be saved. Potential salvation for all, and guaranteed salvation for some. Those are the two arguments at war here, and to pretend otherwise is dishonest. The problem is, potential salvation is no salvation at all. I'm not able to achieve potential salvation because I have a sin nature. The Bible makes it clear that having a genuine change of heart and mind, loving the things God loves, and hating the things God hates, is evident of salvation. There is no way I can do that on my own. According to the Bible, I'm intrinsically predisposed to love sin and hate the things of God, and it also says that denying this to be self-deceived and not practicing the truth. Potential salvation for all is a really weak gospel, because it means I have to do things that I really can't do on my own. This also isn't another gospel, contrary to what anyone says. Calvisnists still believe that salvation will come to anyone that repents and believes. It's just, who will repent and believe? The elect will. If this isn't the case, then God is not sovereign over all things, but only some things. So does that mean that God makes us sin? By no means. Since we have sin natures, we do that perfectly fine on our own. Rather, when people don't sin, it is because God restrains us. Every person who has ever lived is capable of committing any sin imaginable if they are left to their own devices. God didn't make Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery. He simply let them, of their own volition. to do the evil they wanted to do in their heart. But at the same time, Joseph could say that God "sent" him to Egypt. That means, ar the same time, God was sovereign even with them making their own choices. A few things I also want to say. Calvinism has no way of deducting if someone is not one of the elect. That's not for us to say or to know. We can know who is a Christian based on the tests the Bible gives us, but it can't tell us what inevitably will or won't happen in the remainder of an individual person's life.
Furthermore, another argument I see is that that a loving God could not possibly predestined people to hell. Well, that's what God essentially did even in the Pelagianist's logic, when God allowed sin to enter the world. Even Pelagianists agree that at least, God KNOWS who will reoent and believe in the gospel, which, by extension, He would know who wouldn't, and know that some people would go to hell as a result of allowing Adam and Eve to eat the fruit in the first place. Knowingly allowing an action to happen that will result in people going to hell for eternity is essentially what God did according even to Pelagianist logic. If God didn't know some people wouldn't be saved, that would be pretty pathetic and unwise god. It's only when you understand it from a Calvinist perspective that it makes sense. All things are made for God's glory, and sometimes, God is most glorified in punishing people who do evil. So He allows people to do the evil that they want their whole lives, and brings others to repentance. You may ask why doesn't he save everyone? That is asking the question wrong. A better question would be, since we all are deserving of hell, why does anyone get saved? If you ask the question that way, then we can talk. But Pelagianists never ask the question that way. Why is that? Pelagianists, in effect, really just are universalists at heart. Lastly, they get this idea that Calvinism is dangerous because people can leave the faith because they don't "feel" like they're one of the elect. In fact, a lot of Pelagianists claim that was their story. They started out Calvinist, they didn't feel a certain way, had doubts, thought they weren't one of the elect, and thus accumulated teaching they liked more. The problem here is that such a person abandoning this doctrine was a result in them not understanding it. By that logic, we should never teach people about Jesus, because people might misunderstand that and leave the faith. All Christians have doubts. But those who abandon the faith because of their doubts make it apparent they were never of God in the first place. God doesn't let His people go. So many Pelagianists try to convince me that I am a master of my own destiny. Well, I have a challenge. I dare you to go up to Jesus on judgment day and tell Him that. But not really. I wouldn't want to be within 100 feet of you if you did. You Pelagianists can keep your idea of "potential salvation for all" that isn't able to save anyone, not me least of all. Your god is pretty pathetic, losing people left and right and not able to do anything about it. I'll stick with the God of the Bible, who has guaranteed my salvation. I will mecer apologize for having a high view of the Holy Spirit, and if I'm somehow wrong and going to hell for that, then I'll spend eternity wpmdering why a Pelangianist neger tried to reason with me in an intellectually honest manner and give me the true gospel they allegedly claimed to know. All you Pelagianists do is strawman what Calvisnists believe and viciously mocking them, some even making and watching these disturbing videos implying Calvinists have... homosexual desires for each other? First off, what kind of Christian does that? Secondly, why would you do any of that when you could have shared the gospel with them? Never once have I encountered a single Pelagianist who has actually spoken to me in good faith. I have seen thousands by now. Why did one of them not lead me in what they consider to be the right direction? Why were they satisfied at just insiltonf and laughing at me? Doesn't sound very Christian. There are only two possibilities. They believe what they are saying but don't want to save my soul, or two, they don't believe what they are saying at all and are lying. Either way, Pelangianists don't care about the well being of other's souls at all. If they did, they would want to bring people to the supposed true saving gospel, which they don't. They are satisfied with just mocking Calvinists, because Pelagianists never thought any of this through. They're just pretending to be Christian so that they can live a life of sin with a clean conscience. That is evident in their fruit. Am I wrong about any of this? I don't think I am, but I'm hoping that if I am, you would talk some sense into me. But I know you won't even try. Just bad faith strawmen and mockery like all the other Pelagianists.
Those who are stubborn and set in their own ways will not understand what Pastor Voddie is saying. I see God and Lord Jesus Christ as King of kings to whom I bow my knee everyday and I am saved even though I don't deserve to be saved therefore will spend the rest of my God-appointed life on earth serving God because He deserves so much more than I can ever pay back.
wish I knew what the "spirit of the age" meant? To me it doesn't have to do with larger theological issues like priesthood, etc. It really just is about the interpretation of bible, meat from milk, etc.
2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1 Corinthians 2:1-5
To all, tell GOD why you chose this man instead of his messenger!!! Once again if it takes too hear and see GOD as Jesus and Moses, I AM HERE!!! Thank you
Even that is a misnomer knowing that the Reformation includes not only Calvinists. The anabaptists and Anglicans(from whom eventually the Methodists split from) were a part of the Reformation yet not all were calvinists. Take upon yourself an accurate label.
I call myself "mostly reformed" bc I hold the preterist view of the Sabbath: my rest is in Christ. Those whom have a problem with that I direct to Colossians 2:16
This is in reference to the festive sabbaths, not the Sabbath of the Lord, the seventh day. Remember, one will think to change the times and laws, Dan 7:25.
Regardless of whether or not they are saved.
Would like to hear the whole context, and I understand reformed is a theological current catchword and agree with the teaching of God’s word yet my roots go to God’s word, not reformed theology, nor to the five points when God‘s word makes sense seek no other sense nor man named bodies of theology This is some of the speech that I have seen too much in my lifetime. And has caused much hurt and division Let’s just let God’s word speak. I agree and understand in context of what Vodi is talking about in worship and all truly is important, especially in a time when there are so many concessions given to tradition and worldly philosophy
Unless we ourselves understand what reformed theology truly is we cannot judge what he is saying. I say this because I just started listening to “confessional” reformed teaching which Voddie holds to and I can understand why he says this and I thought I was reformed. Confessional reformed teaching has changed the way I read and see scripture. It’s beautiful.
That is what is wrong with reformers!!
Seems like you’re putting more weight in being “reformed” than being “Christian”
The context of the sermon would help you understand why. It’s not a good idea to judge the entirety of a persons ministry based on a clip online.
if you're not one you are not the other
american fundamentalist cults are not real Christianity
anyone who denies Adonais eternal dominion and authority over his creation past present and future is an atheist who proclaims a non existent puppet
What does it mean to be Christian?
The answer to this is a Creed and confession.
@@cosmictreason2242 No, the answer is to be born again…
Here a question regarding II Peter 3:9 is offered to the Calvinist. A common response is raised and examined.
If Calvinism be true, then God alone wills and brings about His will. If it is His will that all men may be saved, then who hinders Him?
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." II Peter 3:9
If Calvinism be true, then according to this verse, then all men should be saved, since God desires all men to be saved. Obviously, this is contrary to other plain passages (Luke 13:23-24; Matthew 7:13-14). Even Calvin recognized that this was contrary to his doctrines and explained it as follows:
"For His will that they should come to repentance cannot be used in any other sense than that which is uniformly employed. Conversion is undoubtedly in the hand of God, whether He designs to convert all can be learned from Himself, when He promises that He will give some a heart of flesh, and leave to others a heart of stone (Ezek. 36:26)."
and,
"But I hold that no man approaches God unless previously influenced from above. And if repentance were placed at the will of man, Paul would not say, 'If God peradventure will give them repentance' (2 Tim. 2:25)." Institutes, vol. 2, p. 255-256
Calvinism has missed the mark in several major issues. By God’s grace, I’ll follow the Bible instead.
Umm 🤔 we do follow the Bible! Where is it that we don't follow the Bible? 🤦♀️
And where is it missing the mark?
@@barefootkid592.0 ok, where in scripture does it say that God predestines people to hell?
@@slickbill9488 why does it have to say that God predestined people to hell, just because it says that he predestined people to be saved? He knows His chosen, He knows the ones that will accept Him and who will not.. It's pretty much a no brainer that if He knows His chosen, then whoever isn't and doesn't accept His Son are going to hell.. it doesn't have to say it, it's just known..
@@barefootkid592.0 Either way it’s not biblical. You won’t find the idea of any man being marked for hell. Scripture say that God does not want anyone to perish. Not a single person. Scripture clearly says they Christ died for all and not just the ones he wanted. Calvinist’s have taken the scripture of predestination and added to it to fit their doctrine. Their not the only ones that do that either, evangelicals claim to be saved just say a prayer and your saved. That’s not biblical either and can’t be found in scripture. We are saved by grace and repentance. If we do not repent we are not saved. we can tell if we are saved by our heart. Do we have a changed heart? All denominations have some kind of man made doctrine and the Bible clearly speaks against that type of behavior. “‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ””
Matthew 15:8-9 NKJV
I’m French and I don’t understand what is the meaning of reformed? Can someone explain please ❤
John 6:28-29. Works of God.
John 6:40. Will of God.
Calvin and reformed ideology shouldn’t become an idol. Who’s to say which churches that came out of the reformation are considered reformed or not. Lutherans are reformed Catholics
Also presbyterianism is reformed catholicism
Whosoever will……….it’s that simple
Good point, even though I am neither Reformed nor "Evangelical Reformed". I'm one of those Lutheran goofballs.
Believers in living union with the risen Lord constitute the Church. This is the reality, not the figure. That is to say, His flesh, human limitation, is done away. Now in union with Christ risen all human limitations are transcended.
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Redemption and repentance are the main "R" words Reformation is way down the list. Its way below resurrection and revelation for sure. Seek ye first the Lord. Fear Him for His wrath snd damnation. Adore Him for His grace, love and mercy! Read His Word. Believe His Word. Live His Word. Pray for yourself and others. Love the Lord above everything in the world and love your neighbors as yourself. Thank God and praise him daily.
Ok, now baptize babies like the reformers did.
Reformed baptists never baptized their babies. Heck, a man who refused to baptize his young kids because he held to the conviction that baptism is for believers only was put in a hole and died because if it.
What is the Aim of worship? Nor to acknowledge shared I AM given to glorify! Remember unless ye come as a little Child with the AM. What is a little "i" a Child? None existence! Nevertheless the little "i" the CHILD with covenant with the AM. What is a Covenant without to share with another? Many will say peace, peace, peace! Yet there's no peace. Why? If only have known the KING OF PEACE! Who love with patience, mercy, and grace! Heirs and Angels will say sitteth upon judgment and justice. Likewise ANGELS and HEIRS and our BEAUTIFUL commanded to keep watch at these wars mongers. Aims will be determined. Resting upon...can be kept nor...aims not found! Even though remember unto all not found! To remind who came unto HIS OWN. To be Found. Is like if 99 is present 1 is missing! Heirs and Angels go find the 1 lost nor not found and bring back Home right Here! Who love with patience, mercy, and grace! Likewise Owner of Judgment and Justice.
The Calvinist does not know the GOd's JUSTICE. Without holiness no one will see to the Lord.
There are no Calvinists, who believe you can go to heaven, without striving to be holy. Don’t just make up stuff.
There’s none righteous, no not one. If our goal is to reach holiness then NO ONES going. I repeat NO ONE, our justification for our salvation is by faith in Christ alone. Because HE lived the life we could never live and died the death WE ALL deserve. If holiness was achievable Christ wouldn’t need to die
Can someone explain what there is more to reformed theology than the five points, the five Silas, and the refulative principle of worship?
Here's a great place to start: founders.org/library-book/1689-confession/
The 1689 Second London Baptist Confession isn’t even reformed because they don’t adhere to the reformed view of the sacraments, among others. They are much closer to true reformed theology than folks like MacArthur who just simply adhere to the five points. If you want a truly reformed confession read the Scots Confession and if you want theologians read Calvin (of course) and John Knox. Then keep reading those who follow the same lines. Voddie Baucham, however, can be considered almost truly reformed, mainly because of the issues he mentions in this video as well as some other doctrines.
Here he is largely referring to they crazy worship styles that have been adopted from the abominations at Bethel and Hillsong
@@gfbc1689: Can you please provide a link to entire sermon? Thank you very much.
@@neverpc4404Yeah. Shout To The Lord is a real abomination. 🙄
The thing is if you truly follow Christ you're reformed by proxy. Once you set your eyes on the cross. On his sacrifice. You dislike sin. You turn your sight from it. The things you used to do or like now make you sick. Therefore being reformed.
Examine their worship: how much do you love Jesus.
Compared to how I used to see or believe I’d say I am reformed but I’m reformed to believe the Bible as the authority as Gods holy word reformed to believe on the finished work of Christ and his death alone and faith alone in his death on the cross to save me I am a Bible believer not a religious zealot looking for approval of men.
Reformed is the belief that you have no free will of your own to choose to believe the Gospel and be saved. If you are not one of the predestined elected prechosen of God then you are wasting your time trying to become a believer. Only the predestined get to make into heaven. This is an evil teaching that never should have entered the church. It is a true discouragement for the baby sheep who have had periods of doubt in their walk who then walk away because "Reformed" people tell them they were never saved because there is no evidence of the Holy Spirit in their lives, no evidence of a true regeneration.
Who cares if they're reformed... glory be to Jesus Christ!
hey pastor not that it bothers me at all as i have a dynamic vocabulary from catholic school i used to write ten words from the dictionary in english class a day for 7 years
Amen, amen, amen 🙏 🤲 ❤!!!
Usually love VB but this is a weird take. Reformed theology is not what the Bible leads to, but a byproduct of the Bible. This kinda language makes it seem like reformers are the only authentic Christian’s
What is 'reformed?' I've heard of it, but don't know what that is. Honestly asking.
Hot air
Does anyone know what denomination this is?
I am a follower of Christ and as such, have no interest in being labeled for a movement or person outside of Him.
I am grateful for the Reformers, but I don’t want my identity in them.
So if we’re not reformed in your way we are wrong and not going to inherit the kingdom of God?? I’m hearing a lot of opinions and not enough Bible.
Nobody said that
Reformed is the belief that you have no free will of your own to choose to believe the Gospel and be saved. If you are not one of the predestined elected prechosen of God then you are wasting your time trying to become a believer. Only the predestined get to make into heaven. This is an evil teaching that never should have entered the church. It is a true discouragement for the baby sheep who have had periods of doubt in their walk who then walk away because "Reformed" people tell them they were never saved because there is no evidence of the Holy Spirit in their lives, no evidence of a true regeneration.
Reformed refers to a theological stance on Scripture
An “interpretation of you will”
You don’t have to be Reformed to be saved
Rather Baucham is calling out people who claim to hold to Reformed theology but only hold to a small part of it
That being Calvinism
This has nothing to do with salvation, but rather how people worship
Reformed theology follows the Regulative Principle of Worship
Meaning you should only worship how Scripture tells you to worship
And so people who do not follow the Regulative Principle cannot rightfully claim to be Reformed in their theology
Can you give a good account of why you believe.
What is a calvanist and what is a reform?
The reformation was a spiritual repackaging of that age it came out of. That’s what they don’t tell you.
How about preaching the gospel?
What is calvanism and where is it in the Bible?
Who gives a crap about reformation, most of it turned out to be crap. We don't need a reformation, we need to go back to the beginning and Jesus' words. Mt 28:18-
I love Voddie's messages.
But God gave us free will.
Calvinism does not hold to free will
Good Day People's...!!!! 🌅😄✨ With all do Respect maybe if we're mindful of JESUS how he spoke( taught) he used parable it brought understanding not using all these extra words taking the audience in deep water before they understand the basic lesson ....
Understanding Free Will is not taught.
The basic lesson is skipped
I'm sorry but I don't think I've seen the word "reformed" anywhere in scripture... Our goal shouldn't be to try and be "reformed" but Biblical. The reformation was great I admire many of the reformers but sadly it didn't go far enough scripture alone is our standard for how we shoud conduct ourselves.
Idk what he's talking about. All ik is Jesus and him crucified 😭🙏🏾
Reality sets in. 92% of the church body is not even saved. Most are weeds, not even tares, and yet they are continually allowed to stay. What's up with that?
A father said to his son, go and do. He said he would not and later went. He told his second son to go and do. He said he would and didn't. Sorry off the top of my head... not trying to add or take away... but a story and question Jesus asked about obedience.
Discussing the Reformation like we should all have at least one foot on board is justifying the creation of a new religion from Catholicism. John Calvin was a heretic, not a reformer and Luther died a Catholic. Both wanted 5 books removed from the Bible Canon including James. We should not be discussing reforming, we should be teaching the literal spoken words of Jesus as He commanded. John 12:47,48 and mt28:18-
Why are we concerned with being called reformed? In the Bible there was just one type of Christian. One who was baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
Speaking of the 5 points...predestination when applied person by person...versus speaking of the (future-accomplished, total, finished Ecclesia IN CHRIST, IN GOD) ...that "person by person" thing just seems to make life, and history, and the Death, Burial, Ressurection...almost a Drama!! Why!!! If predetermined you are saved...unnecessary! If predetermined you go to hell, useless!! You people make ZERO SENSE with individual predestination!😢
I don't know what any of this means
How about just follow Jesus and forget the writers of the reformation. Calvin, Luther, follow Christ’s example, obey his commands,ie.repent and Believe in Him,Jesus and the Holy Spirit will guide you in All truths and testify of HIM(Jesus) Follow Jesus
I guess I really don't know what he's talking about here.
I ACCEPT NONE OF THE POINTS. They misrepresent Gods Character
Amen.
How does perserverence of the saints misrepresent God's character?
Whelp... Your wrong
@@JosiahBarrett-dm4ws nice argument.
Lol calvin didn't come up with any of the points. He didn't invent anything. He merely read the Bible and made it easier for us to understand.
TLDR: They don't do religion the way we do.... so they must be wrong.
If it doesn't align with the word of God then it's most likely not reformed.
Cessationist are not reformationist. The Church was is and will be formed and reformed by the power evidence and life of the Spirit of God.
That's a lot of big confusing words, that is why I follow Jesus Christ only.
Get a dictionary. Keep listening.
@@magicpainthorse calvanism is wrong, I won't borher.
@@Iknowaboutroaches3350 read the Bible and you'll find calvin didn't invent anything. He merely read the Word of God.
Calvinism is a heresy.
Amen 🙏
Humanoids throw around the word love.
Baucham himself is not considered reformed in many circles, being a baptist.
I’m not reformed
You would like the inquisition, I guess
Its a sin to follow John Calvin and instead what Bible says??
Jesus is enough.
Who do you say Jesus is?
Who do you say you are?
What is Jesus to you?
Jesus is the Christ. The Savior of all man kind. Jesus is the Creator, who is God. The 2nd of the Trinity -Father Son and Holy Spirit.
Jesus was; born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, was beaten for our transgression, nailed on a cross for all our sins and died on that cross as the ultimate sacrifice for all who would believe in and on Him.
He went to the depths of hell and preached the gospel to both sides. The side where Abraham was on, and the side where the self righteous king was.
He prepared Abraham’s side for the journey, Jesus took the keys of death and hell.
Jesus was raised from the dead. He showed him self and interacted with His disciples. He was raised or taken up to Heaven as people watched, while leading the souls that were in Abraham’s group up to Heaven, all the while “Open up ye gates” was shouted.
Jesus now sits at the right hand of the Father and ever interceding on our behalf. - Praise Him. Thank Him.
I am a sinner. Who has been born again. Who does works to strengthen my faith. Works show what I believe. Private and public works only show the Father my obedience. He, the Father, weighs the thoughts and intentions of my heart. He knows if I’m genuine or not.
Jesus is my Lord and Savior. I need Him for everything. A part from Him, I can do nothing.
Jesus is King
Come taste His goodness. Come drink of the living water. He is the bread of life. He has the living water, of which we will never thirst again.
The reformation was not tje beginning of the church.The church existed long before reformation and did many great things. Thank God we dont have these arrogant ignorant deluded pastors in the east.
the spirit of the age? so I the worship service isn't derived from the reformation than it's trash? I wonder what people did before the reformation?