Dude your brutal honesty in reviews is what makes you perfect for them. Your dedication to actually testing something out before speaking on it makes you better than good at it. I actually admire you more for the fact you don't seek handouts. Keep doing you and damn the haters man. Fuck em if they can't take a joke, and joke em if they can't take a fuck. Keep it weird for us Swamp Wizard
Great review! I appreciate honest reviews over fluffy smoke up my ass ones. I currently use a Daytona modular. I do not have camera set up but my Lady and I use the intercom by Cardio. I and my Lady aren't rich. We shopped around and researched in our price range. Excepting some wind noise from her boom microphone because she prefers a half shell helmet. We had a great 200plus mile day yesterday in our half shell helmets with Cardio boom mikes. I do not know that I could never buy a Shoei, but I will not put down anyone that can justify that expense. I prefer my helmets have removable liners so I can wash them. Otherwise my helmets get thrown out due to stink and nasty after two years. Young man, you spout your opinions about everything under the sun, Please do not apologize. Please do not rationalize your opinions. This is why I check your site, listen to you when you ride and enjoy your attitude. Too few people have enough self esteem to do what you do, or have your qualifications! Over 30 years of riding baggers/touring bikes and no one wants my opinions and I do not care. I do what I do and enjoy who I want and fuck the rest I probably never liked them anyway. You all are in my prayers Hoka Hey
I'm so glad you made this video. I feel so much less buyers remorse over having spent so much on my Shoei Neotec 2! Granted I love my Neotec so much that there was not much remorse to begin with! That and others in my MSF class had so many issues with their helmets compared to me!
I've been waiting for this video since you first said you ordered this helmet😂 I remember writing a long paragraph about everything I hated. I put over 16k miles on mine and literally the worst helmet I've owned!
My brother is getting stationed in Tampa some time next year. My next long trip is gonna be there to see the Dirty Shame. If you can ride 1000+ miles on an old ass Goldwing, I can definitely make it there on a newer Road Glide
I have a Carbon Fiber Zox I wouldn't change for either of them.... To me its all in how it fits my head... I wouldn't buy anything but a full face either though... Hard to fault modular when they are inherently poor to begin with...
I didn't have $700 to pony up for the Neotec2, but scored a newly released RF1400 for $450. Detents are solid, and it fits insanely well. Not a pube of extra space, but not an ounce of discomfort. Like it was molded for me.
I love your honesty and knowing that you paid for it out of your pocket means a lot to me. When someone has something given to them I always wonder how truthful they are actually being about it. I also love all bikes. I like some better than others, but even the worst bike made is still fun to ride.
Thank you for this. You made me not regret sending this helmet back! I went with an HJC RPHA 70ST, so much helmet for the price. That Schuberth is heavy AF, my Simpson was a featherweight compared it. Good stuff.
I agree with you totally. I live in LA (Lower Alabama) and that helmet is brutal in the summer time. I can only tolerate it during the winter months. Even then I have to lift the visor at intersections.
Great video! Love getting actual reviews. Since you gave me the "just go out and ride and stop overthinking it" bug I want to video some of my adventures. Not necessarily blog about it, but just to share and enjoy. Now I know what to get and how to mount it. THANKS STM!!
Things not to cheap out on 1) Mattresses, you will literally sleep on it for a decade or more, pay the money and sleep well. 2) Brake parts. I don’t care if your driving a $500 hoopte, or a $1000 bike never cheap out on your brakes. Your life literally depends on them 3) foot wear, you would not believe how much better for your over all health a good set of foot ware is. I used to buy cheap teevas and then I got memory cushion teevas and my life was changed. Trust me Apparently helmets are now added to this list.
Hello Josh This is not going to be short! A new lit , the HJC was due for replacement My wife often has a whirling sound in her right ear. So she quickly went for the C4 Basic. Because of the good reviews and reputation. At the bigger " Louis" shops they have a simple wind tunnel , with a real naked bike in it. You sit on the bike , which is anchored to the floor, and operate the wind turbine with the throttle . Yes those Germans continue to amaze me.They are technically so "uber" smart. Just look back in history. Well , we came home with the C4 and I immediately installed the the Sena . YES the ears were squeezed by the speakers. So after scraping off good amount of " polystyrene" everything was ok. Happy and satisfied we went for the first test ride. Ahh; the small roads , the dunes and wooded areas of north west Holland. After 45 minutes my wife had to stop, because to her disappointment, she could no longer tolerate the C4. The part of the helmet that thouches her forehead is thinly lined and hurts terribly. She even got a feeling of migraine . I also felt very uncomfortable when i tried the helmet. ( admitting the helmet was a bit to small but ok for the first 30 minutes. But then forehead Not good!) Back quick and short. On the highway, at 70 m/h ,the C4 is an improvement in sound and earodynamics. The story did have a happy ending. My youngest beautiful daughter tried the C4 and she liked it. So now se scrapes the footrests of her Yamaha XSR 700, on the fairytale winding mountain roads of the Swiss alps. Where she lives now. Wearing a four hundred euro Schuberth C4. Yes kids are expensive. I did some research on Schuberth on the internet and the motor media End of part one
I in the past have bought duff kit from high end brands and it is painful to wear something that is just not good enough especially when you could have gotten something you know is better. A pair of alpinestars touring boots that more or less fell apart in 18 months from Velcro that stopped sticking and zips that broke to the heals wearing through to the hollow chambers are a scar on my soul.Yes they were £50 cheaper than the dainese boots I had been wearing for the previous ten years but they were still expensive and crap and could have been avoided if I hadn’t tried to save some money .They were replaced with a pair of dainese which lasted a lot longer . I am also glad that Shadetree doesn’t take “free” products on review just puts his own money into things it keeps things real .
After riding 14k miles with this exact same helmet, I’m glad you are sharing these thoughts. I’ve had the same concerns. I purchased the c4pro and glad I returned it. $800 investment 🤯
@1:50 - Dude, I could have saved you some bucks and told you this helmet would be crap...but you never asked me!!! Seriously though, I actually was serious before but you get the idea, the only thing about this helmet is the name itself. Saying the name conjures up (like how I incorporated the wizardry???) this greatness feeling. But once you get past saying the name, it might as well be sold at a Bates (or K-Mart) store on the $29 shelf. Stick with what is known to be good and stay away from the exotic "sounding" brands.
I just had to smile about this video. This year, I decided to go for a real-quality helmet. During my riding time, I tried on a Schuberth almost every time I bought a new helmet. Luckily, my head never suited that helmet shape, so I was never tempted to buy one (no matter which size, they just rotate around my head). This time, the store I buy a lot from was hell-bent on selling me one. I said no and left. In the end, it was a Shoei Neotec II. Real expensive, fits my noggin really well. I think Schuberth is heavily overhyped, even despite me being German.
I’ve learned this lesson a couple times in life.. “buy once, cry once” spend that extra money on what you actually want, or you’ll spend more money in the long run!!
Damn - I dodged a bullet on there. I was debating a Schuberth vs Shoei Neotec 2. I went Neotec 2 + SRL and have been happy for a couple years now with it!
I just completed a 6250 mile ride with my Neotec 2 Modular and I have no complaints at all, and I am a guy that used a brain bucket for the past 20 years before moving to a full face/modular. I did have the Simpson Modular first and didn't care for it, the Shoei is much quieter and more comfortable. Just checked Revzilla the Neotec 2 just went up another $50.00 used to be $699 up to $749.99 now.
Just passed my MSF. So far in the heat my Sena Outrush was actually alright. When I start actually riding, and I need a new helmet, I'm getting that SHOEI if it's that solid. Looks cool too
I concur. Your head gets hot and swells so you end up with the helmet chafing your forehead, I never got that with my Shoei helmets or HJC. I've just bought a Simpson, plenty of room at the front for your mic too. Best open faced helmet by far is a Davida closely followed by the Shoei J-Cruise which is great for vlogging due to the deep visor that keeps the wind off the boom mic.
I have a shuberth C3 pro for 4 yrs and still like it. I saw the budget C3s at cycle gear for cycle gear, and they were way lighter and not the same as my C3 Pro. Thank for the heads up.
I loved my Neotec so much, I managed to get the last size 64 in Europe. It's still in the box, waiting for next spring. Saved a fortune compared to a Neotec II. Had a Multitec before that.
I worked at a Motorcycle Gear store when the C3 was new and the quality was good, I mean it had some flaws / bad design elements from the beginning but it WAS a decent helmet. Just like you said, it WAS quite, it also came with a Pinlock in the box and a wind deflector for the chin area. The Padding inside the helmet was Couch level but a year or half a year after the C3Pro was released they lowered the price by 100 bucks on the base model and that’s when it did not have any kind of quality feeling to it anymore. Things I found to feel loose/cheap/flimsy from the start especially compared to the Shoei Neotech were the Sun visor mechanism, Air vents & visor mechanism. But the bad thing about the Neotech at that time was that the chinstrap with the titanium ratchet was set so far back that even when you closed the ratchet only 30% most people would already get Choked by the Helmet. So a lot of customers bought into the Schuberth helmets but made the jump directly into the Pro version in direct comparison and with enough money in their pockets (so many BMW Dad Jeans GS riders at that time)
Since I knew what was good for me, I've always saved the $ in order to buy a Shoei. Hands down the best I've ever worn. Granted, they may not fit all head shape's but if they fit yours, go for it. The price? Well, as I tell my customer's when they choose a helmet : how much do you value your noggin'? The price you should look at is not the initial outlay, you divide the price by how many years you think you'll have the helmet for. 5 yrs? Then for a $1,000 helmet (Shoei prices in Aus) you're spending $200 per year on the cranium. Not too bad!
I have the C4, and very much hated it when I first got it, now it has grown on me as I like some of the features, but it is not as good as the price would suggest. It is def a two-handed action to close it, so they have not improved that over the C3. As for fogging, mine came with PinLock which really helps keep the visor clear, but that the PinLock did not fully fit properly either, so it would steam up if it cracked. The C4 is also terribly noisy too, I had such high hopes for the helmet. I do like that mine has built in comms though, the comms are great for music, not linked to other riders though. I'd much rather have you say you like something you have paid for, than something you have been given, I have very little faith in reviews from "influencers" who are given products and seem to only ever say nice things about the free stuff! :-)
I had a C2 (most expensive I ever bought), wore it for 1800 miles on a trip. Dropped it in the bin when I got home- far from being the "quietest" lid ever made. Same visor & vent issues.
I've been using a C3 for over a year, the only thing I'd agree with you on is the lack of ventilation. It also came with a Pinlock insert so never had misting problems. Never had an issue with the chin piece closing or the visor staying open. I've used it on several different styles of bikes and it's not a noisy helmet. Then again I'm not buying a wind tunnel designed helmet and sticking a camera on it.
The Neotec 2 is the most comfortable helmet I have ever owned. It is heavy though. I have since moved to the new HJC RHPA 90S Carbon. It isn't quite as plush inside as the Neotec, but is still very comfortable and much lighter. Sound wise I would rate them both extremely close with the edge going to the HJC Carbon. Not by much though.
DITTO! on everything you said. I have Schuberth C4 and it sucks exactly like you said. Every single suck point is spot on. Thank you for validating my equal disgust for the shit storm of a helmet.
Love your energy and charisma! You should be in the WWF or whatever wrestling is these days.. The Schubreth fits a euro head. Your C3 looks like the C3 lite? The lite is the economy option vs the the C3 Pro. There is a Big difference between the 2 and the price tag shows that as well. I tried a Schubreth Modular on especially when Cycle Gear was doing a massive close out and stupid incredible deals on them but they just would not fit my head. The rep at CG said they fit 1 out of 3. I had a Shoei Neotec and went to a Neotec II and that helmet is amazing! Modular s are the quietest of all helmets overall because you have to lock them into place thus preventing wind from entering. You can only take a mod off by releasing it. But no front vent? wow..Also pin lock is the only way to go to prevent fogging. I would look at a Neotec II or if Schubreth the C3 Pro or C4. Also the HJC is getting stellar reviews as well as AGV and Simpson..Great review on what NOT to buy! lol
I’ve been looking for a new helmet, so thanks for the heads up. I have the Sedici now which I found to be good for the money, but it’s time for something comfy with better sound. Oh and when are you pulling for the road king raffle? I have five tickets, fingers crossed!!
I love my Shoei RF-1400. My wife just got a Shark modular and she likes it a lot but honestly she doesn't have much to compare it to. We got a Bilt Modular with the bike when we bought it and it took me a month to talk her into buying a better helmet.
I tried out the Neotec II, it was pretty comfortable, I also tried on the HJC Rpha 90 Carbon helmet. The HJC is lighter and cost 200 less. It saved my life back in August of this yr. It's my 2nd HJC helmet and I think for the money, they're the best. Maybe the Neotec is a it better, but I couldn't justify the price increase vs my HJC. If I could have tested it on the Hwy between them, maybe there might possibly be a worthwhile difference in price, but since I couldn't, I went with the HJC Carbon and loved it. Keep it weird Josh! Ride on brother!
The sound and video quality you have is on par with some of the high end set ups. Good one on being cheap and producing high quality videos at the same time
I need to replace my AGV corsa soon. It's fairly quiet, and it's light. Things I don't like: no speaker pockets, faceshield doesn't latch up and always falls shut, ventilation is lacking in 90+ degree weather. I'm probably going to get an ADV helmet next. Either a Bell MX9 adv, or scorpion at950.
I thought schuberth helmets started around $1000. Also: I never thought of modular helmets as "dad helmets" but you're right. That's exactly what they are!
The C3 lite is the economy option and 1/2 the price of the C3 Pro. C3 lite is a Cycle Gear special... I would go HJC or Scorpion over the C3 lite any day of the week if I was cost concerned ...
I don't have anything to compare loudness of helmets, but I roll with filtered ear plugs whenever I'm going to spend any time over 60mph. When I'm done with a ride I almost want to just leave them in, they just take the strain out of your head from wincing at loud noises.
I rode many kilometers wearing a C2 from Schubeth, it was comfy, quiet and never felt hot. Then I had to start wearing glasses, tried the C3, just didn’t “feel” right. Tried a Nolan N104 Ncom, wow, what a lid, fit, feel, airy and easy to open/close. You might want to look into trying one of those, and with the pin lock piece installed, no foggy visor, even in rainy Denmark where I currently reside. Godspeed to you.👍
I can see you don't have the pinlock shield installed, ergo your fogging issue. I have an S2 that is my cool weather go to with the pinlock shield installed, I've had zero issues with fogging during cool or wet weather riding. You are correct about Schuberth being a hot helmet, on a hot summer day you'll be stewing in your own juices in short order. I wear an HJC I70 as my summer helmet, and use my Schuberth for early Spring/late Fall riding. Helmets are all an individual choice, what works for one won't necessarily work for another.
I was an Arai fanboy for over 25 years and switched to a C4 Pro Carbon. I’ll never go back! So light compared to my previous lids. Granted it’s a lot more than $400.
Mr. Surgeon- It's interesting and informative to me to learn how much you disliked your C3 Schuberth, and actually this came as a surprise to me. I had the good luck that my wife won one as a doorprize last summer, and she gave it to me (!). I had it fitted to me at the importer's booth, and my reaction to this helmet is strangely about as opposite to yours as can be as I I like every thing about it. I also have a great opinion of the Shoei Neotec though, and was able to test it extensively some time ago against a C3 with no advantage I could see of one over the other. So I guess if there is anything to be learned it might be that a rider should try to get fit and tested for any new helmet since different folks have wildly varying opinions on which one works for them. Thanks, Bob
I tried on that same brand one time and it was the worst feeling helmet I have ever had on my head. The shell design you have is a round oval shape and most people are a intermediate are long oval. And I can tell by looking at your head you are a medium oval head shape. That’s why the Arai and the Shoei helmet fits you ( and myself) so well. Most manufacturers now make different helmet mold shapes to accommodate different head shapes.
Really appreciate this video! I was considering the schuberth.. glad I didn’t waste the money!! If you’re ever bored, and in need of some content.. I would love to hear your opinions on the Ruroc. That’s my “schuberth C3” experience…
i bought cheap ones for the longest time and replaced them every year or two, so i went mid price this time for a Scorpion i am pretty happy with, i am trying to get as many out of it as possible, the next one i might buy a real good one and treat myself to a Arai or Shoei. Protecting the unfix able meat CPU in your skull is worth the $.
Both Arai and Shoei are great helmets, if not the best helmets out there. Just FYI though, it is much easier to find replacement pads for Shoei than Arai. But if the Arai feels better, go for it. (former Cycle Gear employee)
I tried the C3, but it just didn't fit my head. I swapped it for a AGV SportModular. Most of the problems you describe are also on the AGV, but there's the advantage of spending even more. After using the AGV for 2 years, the chin guard barely locks in the up position. It's also the noisiest helmet I've ever had and my Sena installation hurts my ears after a few hours. There's also the odd shape of the shell that makes the installation awkward. Yes, you can buy a AGV branded Sena that may fit better, but that's old technology.
I'll echo all your gripes with the C3. Except for it not closing well. Mine didn't have that problem. It did save my bacon though when I went over the hood of a cage at 50mph three weeks ago.
Don't apologize to us for being a "bad influencer or reviewer". We watch you because you are authentic and most of us are just like you, "We Like Bike". I love the fact that when you do review something good or bad you let us no your true unadulterated opinion. That helmet, wont even make a turd.
I rock a Schuberth C4 I grabbed off Revzilla on clearance for super cheap. It is the best helmet I have owned so far. Glad I avoided the C3. Mine is getting close to aging out. Going to be hard to replace with something else due to the integrated comm system.
I have the C3 Pro and I won't buy another. But I don't have the closing problem you have maybe because it's the "pro version". Mine has two little flaps inside blocking the top vent holes. You need to move them out of the way for warm weather. The shield closing itself when moving is suppose to be feature. Mine also came with a pinlock lens so no fogging. It is very loud and tight around the ears. I do like it in cold weather and it is pretty light for a modular. I paid $400 the C3 Pro usually sells for around $600. I'm guessing they spend most of the profit on advertising.
THANK YOU. I've been riding just two years and am 68 yrs old. Bought the same model Sherbet you have just a couple months earlier than you. I was sure I was just too stupid or inexperienced to understand why this helmet sucked for me. THANK YOU. 73, Mike
@Shadetree Surgeon I have a G-MAX modular with an inner drop down tinted visor with an ECE-22 safety rating and it came with a multifunction “brake light” in the back of the helmet!
Big ol football shaped head pretty much limits me to Arai Signets (Profiles back in the day...) always stupid expensive but always really well made. I hate spending that kinda money but it never disappoints.
Finally someone with the exact same experience with this helmet. Mine nearly killed me from heatstroke in 2019 riding from California to Sturgis. Had to hold visor open with gorilla tape. Hottest most uncomfortable helmet I have ever owned. Now it sits in corner of garage to remind me to never buy another. I was tempted to return to Revzilla but never got around to it. Completely a piece of garbage.
Man I went through the same thing with bell helmets, my first helmet was the qualifier (~$150ish) and it was absolutely great. Decided to step up to a bell star helmet (~$400ish) a few years later, and it was BY FAR the flimsiest, squeakiest, cheap peice of crap I've ever worn. I was super disappointed with that from a major company.
Totally agree on the noise. I have an S2 and it's noisier than the Arai I had before and even the Nolan flip I had before that. They must be paying reviewers off to have gotten that reputation for quiet.
Around 2002 I worked at a mail-order motorcycle shop. One of my customers from Puerto Rico called me to get shoei's number because he wrecked his bike and a fully loaded semi sized dump truck RAN DIRECTLY OVER HIS HEAD and the only thing that happened was the helmet cracked!
@@danielstewart7732If Ruroc priced it for what It's really worth like $150 max, it wouldn't be getting such a bad rap. But $600-$760 here plus 12% sales tax plus a small clearing fee at customs. RIDICULOUS
I'd give my Atlas 2 away for free but I stop myself from doing it because I don't anyone else have to suffer with it. So I keep it in my riding gear closet to remind me of my own stupidity.
I owned a C3 Pro and crashed with a medium head impact to the ground, did a great job protecting my brains and I really liked it as a helmet but I have to say a lots of the stuff you brought up is true. - The closing thing does happen sometimes and you also have to slam it to make it shut properly - It is hot but I live in a cold country so that’s a good thing - I didn’t have visor problems but don’t ride with it open - I found it MARGINALLY quieter than other helmets but I rode only naked bikes with it - agree with the inability to put speakers in it, no extra space - I also bought a shoei which I like better 🤣
My HD helmet is getting noisy, but it's getting old. The wind noise comes from the soft foam now being softer than before and the air cmoes up my neck and sides.Loud pipes? Wind noise from 60kmh and you won't notice! (Helps a little when wearing something around my neck, but not really anymore) I expect all helmets get wind noise the same way.
A cheap (very cheap) scorpion exo 510 is doing the job for me just now, but I've noticed some hot spots and pressure on my head after about an hour. Been looking at more upmarket helmets for a while now. The season for long rides is coming to an end here, so time to get saving...
Damn, I'm surprised it failed so hard. You mentioned you have an HJC. I've been buying them for the last 10+ years, CL15, 16, now I have the 17. Fuckin awesome helmets. $100-$140 gets you damn good fitment, fairly light weight, fully removable insides, good detents and venting, and with the CL series SNELL approval. Great helmets. Wife has a Shoei, you really can't go wrong with them. I've considered one for a next helmet.
My favorite helmet has been the Icon Alliance and, I'm so upset that it's being discontinued. I just bought a Shoei RF-1200 two months ago and I hate it. My first helmet was a Shoei Qwest and it was just okay. The Icon probably just fits my head better.
@@jackdaniel1848 it is noisy. The worst for me is that I ride with the visor up and when I do that, it whistles like a drunk sailor. I love the fit and the heft, but it is noisy.
Wore it in the rain, wore it on a train I would not could not wear it again.
Winner
...winner, deep fried dinner? 😋
I wore it in a truck I wore it to fuck but I would not buy it for a buck
Fried eggs and ham reworded.
Dude your brutal honesty in reviews is what makes you perfect for them. Your dedication to actually testing something out before speaking on it makes you better than good at it. I actually admire you more for the fact you don't seek handouts. Keep doing you and damn the haters man. Fuck em if they can't take a joke, and joke em if they can't take a fuck. Keep it weird for us Swamp Wizard
“I’m a crappy influencer”…
…1980s goldwing revival begins because of Josh.
You have no idea... i've seen more 1980's gold wings ridden by younger people in the last year than in the last 10. Alot of truth there Mike.
Yeah he's the reason I'm looking for one. Also got me checking out the Kawasaki Concours 1000.
Literally me looking for cheap dad bikes
Literally was looking at Honda st1100's because of this channel.
I've got to admit that I, too, have been checking out older GWs on the Craigslist.
Much respect Josh. I've always loved your honesty.
That's one of MANY reasons I watch this channel.
Real-world tests are always the best! Thanks Shadetree!
“I like bike” -ShadeTree Surgeon.
If it's got two wheels and a motor I'll throw a leg over and ride it.
Me too! -- Eric Spotts
I'd ride ANYTHING.
@@BrandonBicasso Oh my..
I quote this all the time. I also believe in it.
For someone who doesn’t do reviews, you did a great job on that piece of shit helmet. You my friend fucking rock on reviews. PERIOD.
Great review!
I appreciate honest reviews over fluffy smoke up my ass ones. I currently use a Daytona modular. I do not have camera set up but my Lady and I use the intercom by Cardio. I and my Lady aren't rich. We shopped around and researched in our price range. Excepting some wind noise from her boom microphone because she prefers a half shell helmet. We had a great 200plus mile day yesterday in our half shell helmets with Cardio boom mikes.
I do not know that I could never buy a Shoei, but I will not put down anyone that can justify that expense.
I prefer my helmets have removable liners so I can wash them. Otherwise my helmets get thrown out due to stink and nasty after two years.
Young man, you spout your opinions about everything under the sun, Please do not apologize. Please do not rationalize your opinions. This is why I check your site, listen to you when you ride and enjoy your attitude. Too few people have enough self esteem to do what you do, or have your qualifications!
Over 30 years of riding baggers/touring bikes and no one wants my opinions and I do not care. I do what I do and enjoy who I want and fuck the rest I probably never liked them anyway.
You all are in my prayers
Hoka Hey
I'm so glad you made this video. I feel so much less buyers remorse over having spent so much on my Shoei Neotec 2! Granted I love my Neotec so much that there was not much remorse to begin with! That and others in my MSF class had so many issues with their helmets compared to me!
I've been waiting for this video since you first said you ordered this helmet😂 I remember writing a long paragraph about everything I hated. I put over 16k miles on mine and literally the worst helmet I've owned!
My brother is getting stationed in Tampa some time next year. My next long trip is gonna be there to see the Dirty Shame. If you can ride 1000+ miles on an old ass Goldwing, I can definitely make it there on a newer Road Glide
shoei and arai rule the helmet world. nuff said.
I have a Carbon Fiber Zox I wouldn't change for either of them....
To me its all in how it fits my head...
I wouldn't buy anything but a full face either though...
Hard to fault modular when they are inherently poor to begin with...
I agree! SHOEI fit my melon nice.
@@TroyC68 good point. ihave a shoei head but i once bought a bell and it was so noisy. full face only. i agree.
I didn't have $700 to pony up for the Neotec2, but scored a newly released RF1400 for $450. Detents are solid, and it fits insanely well. Not a pube of extra space, but not an ounce of discomfort. Like it was molded for me.
I love your honesty and knowing that you paid for it out of your pocket means a lot to me. When someone has something given to them I always wonder how truthful they are actually being about it. I also love all bikes. I like some better than others, but even the worst bike made is still fun to ride.
Thanks for the video. I literally had that exact helmet in my basket ready to buy it online. Not any more!
Thank you for this. You made me not regret sending this helmet back! I went with an HJC RPHA 70ST, so much helmet for the price. That Schuberth is heavy AF, my Simpson was a featherweight compared it. Good stuff.
"I am angry!"
*rips Pan America to redline*
Yesss, give in to your anger!
I agree with you totally. I live in LA (Lower Alabama) and that helmet is brutal in the summer time. I can only tolerate it during the winter months. Even then I have to lift the visor at intersections.
Great video! Love getting actual reviews. Since you gave me the "just go out and ride and stop overthinking it" bug I want to video some of my adventures. Not necessarily blog about it, but just to share and enjoy. Now I know what to get and how to mount it. THANKS STM!!
Completely agree. Years ago I had a Shoei RF-800. When I got back into riding I by default went right to the current RF-1400. Couldn't be happier.
That really sucks. Glad to know what not to buy. Thanks for sharing!!!
Things not to cheap out on 1) Mattresses, you will literally sleep on it for a decade or more, pay the money and sleep well.
2) Brake parts. I don’t care if your driving a $500 hoopte, or a $1000 bike never cheap out on your brakes. Your life literally depends on them
3) foot wear, you would not believe how much better for your over all health a good set of foot ware is. I used to buy cheap teevas and then I got memory cushion teevas and my life was changed. Trust me
Apparently helmets are now added to this list.
Love that your helmet cost more then your "new" Honda. And, the snap-on football.
Hello Josh
This is not going to be short!
A new lit , the HJC was due for replacement
My wife often has a whirling sound in her right ear. So
she quickly went for the C4 Basic. Because of the good
reviews and reputation. At the bigger " Louis" shops they
have a simple wind tunnel , with a real naked bike in it.
You sit on the bike , which is anchored to the floor, and operate
the wind turbine with the throttle . Yes those Germans continue
to amaze me.They are technically so "uber" smart. Just look
back in history.
Well , we came home with the C4 and I immediately installed the
the Sena . YES the ears were squeezed by the speakers. So after
scraping off good amount of " polystyrene" everything was ok.
Happy and satisfied we went for the first test ride. Ahh; the small
roads , the dunes and wooded areas of north west Holland.
After 45 minutes my wife had to stop, because to her disappointment,
she could no longer tolerate the C4. The part of the helmet that thouches
her forehead is thinly lined and hurts terribly. She even got a feeling of migraine .
I also felt very uncomfortable when i tried the helmet. ( admitting the
helmet was a bit to small but ok for the first 30 minutes. But then forehead Not
good!)
Back quick and short.
On the highway, at 70 m/h ,the C4 is an improvement in sound and
earodynamics. The story did have a happy ending. My youngest
beautiful daughter tried the C4 and she liked it. So now se scrapes
the footrests of her Yamaha XSR 700, on the fairytale winding mountain
roads of the Swiss alps. Where she lives now. Wearing a four hundred euro
Schuberth C4. Yes kids are expensive.
I did some research on Schuberth on the internet and the motor media
End of part one
I in the past have bought duff kit from high end brands and it is painful to wear something that is just not good enough especially when you could have gotten something you know is better. A pair of alpinestars touring boots that more or less fell apart in 18 months from Velcro that stopped sticking and zips that broke to the heals wearing through to the hollow chambers are a scar on my soul.Yes they were £50 cheaper than the dainese boots I had been wearing for the previous ten years but they were still expensive and crap and could have been avoided if I hadn’t tried to save some money .They were replaced with a pair of dainese which lasted a lot longer . I am also glad that Shadetree doesn’t take “free” products on review just puts his own money into things it keeps things real .
I went from a Scorpion to a carbon fiber Simpson and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the upgrade.
Love my Carbon Fiber Zox.... full face for me...
That motoradds central camera mount is the only reason I still use a full face, I love it!!
After riding 14k miles with this exact same helmet, I’m glad you are sharing these thoughts. I’ve had the same concerns. I purchased the c4pro and glad I returned it. $800 investment 🤯
@1:50 - Dude, I could have saved you some bucks and told you this helmet would be crap...but you never asked me!!!
Seriously though, I actually was serious before but you get the idea, the only thing about this helmet is the name itself. Saying the name conjures up (like how I incorporated the wizardry???) this greatness feeling. But once you get past saying the name, it might as well be sold at a Bates (or K-Mart) store on the $29 shelf. Stick with what is known to be good and stay away from the exotic "sounding" brands.
I just had to smile about this video. This year, I decided to go for a real-quality helmet. During my riding time, I tried on a Schuberth almost every time I bought a new helmet. Luckily, my head never suited that helmet shape, so I was never tempted to buy one (no matter which size, they just rotate around my head). This time, the store I buy a lot from was hell-bent on selling me one. I said no and left. In the end, it was a Shoei Neotec II. Real expensive, fits my noggin really well. I think Schuberth is heavily overhyped, even despite me being German.
I’ve learned this lesson a couple times in life.. “buy once, cry once” spend that extra money on what you actually want, or you’ll spend more money in the long run!!
TRUTH
Damn - I dodged a bullet on there. I was debating a Schuberth vs Shoei Neotec 2. I went Neotec 2 + SRL and have been happy for a couple years now with it!
I'm on my 2nd LS2, first one was a dual sport helmet, this one being the Challenger GT, and for the money I absolutely love it.
Ls2 is where its at these days
I had one a few years back. Good helmet.
Love my LS2. Lots of features for a low price
@@justinr6917 Vents work great, has integrated tinted visor, comfortable, pinlock, I don't really have anything to complain about.
I've got the LS2 Assault helmet. Absolutely love it. Price, looks, fit and finish, weight, features, etc. Just a great helmet IMO.
I just completed a 6250 mile ride with my Neotec 2 Modular and I have no complaints at all, and I am a guy that used a brain bucket for the past 20 years before moving to a full face/modular. I did have the Simpson Modular first and didn't care for it, the Shoei is much quieter and more comfortable. Just checked Revzilla the Neotec 2 just went up another $50.00 used to be $699 up to $749.99 now.
I also love modular helmets. I can't sing enough praises for my LS2 Valiant 2.
I just happened to watch a motorcycle vlog from easy company and here they do a impression of you boy it's a small world
Love those guys
Just passed my MSF. So far in the heat my Sena Outrush was actually alright. When I start actually riding, and I need a new helmet, I'm getting that SHOEI if it's that solid. Looks cool too
I concur. Your head gets hot and swells so you end up with the helmet chafing your forehead, I never got that with my Shoei helmets or HJC. I've just bought a Simpson, plenty of room at the front for your mic too. Best open faced helmet by far is a Davida closely followed by the Shoei J-Cruise which is great for vlogging due to the deep visor that keeps the wind off the boom mic.
I have a shuberth C3 pro for 4 yrs and still like it. I saw the budget C3s at cycle gear for cycle gear, and they were way lighter and not the same as my C3 Pro. Thank for the heads up.
That first lid you showed I can’t understand how you didn’t bin it in the first minute of your video, great video loved it, 👍👍🏍🏍🤙🤙
I loved my Neotec so much, I managed to get the last size 64 in Europe. It's still in the box, waiting for next spring. Saved a fortune compared to a Neotec II. Had a Multitec before that.
I’m glad you made this video - I was looking at that helmet. I’ll just stick with my bell full face.
Bert's a really sharp business man to loan bikes to ST like this.
" you know what happens with this helmet?, ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!!" hahahahaha
I worked at a Motorcycle Gear store when the C3 was new and the quality was good, I mean it had some flaws / bad design elements from the beginning but it WAS a decent helmet.
Just like you said, it WAS quite, it also came with a Pinlock in the box and a wind deflector for the chin area.
The Padding inside the helmet was Couch level but a year or half a year after the C3Pro was released they lowered the price by 100 bucks on the base model and that’s when it did not have any kind of quality feeling to it anymore.
Things I found to feel loose/cheap/flimsy from the start especially compared to the Shoei Neotech were the Sun visor mechanism, Air vents & visor mechanism.
But the bad thing about the Neotech at that time was that the chinstrap with the titanium ratchet was set so far back that even when you closed the ratchet only 30% most people would already get Choked by the Helmet.
So a lot of customers bought into the Schuberth helmets but made the jump directly into the Pro version in direct comparison and with enough money in their pockets
(so many BMW Dad Jeans GS riders at that time)
Since I knew what was good for me, I've always saved the $ in order to buy a Shoei. Hands down the best I've ever worn. Granted, they may not fit all head shape's but if they fit yours, go for it. The price? Well, as I tell my customer's when they choose a helmet : how much do you value your noggin'? The price you should look at is not the initial outlay, you divide the price by how many years you think you'll have the helmet for. 5 yrs? Then for a $1,000 helmet (Shoei prices in Aus) you're spending $200 per year on the cranium. Not too bad!
For the money would suggest a mod bandit. My 2 cents…
Dude: never apologize for being honest! 👍👍👍
I have a ghost bandit helmet and it’s absolutely terrible.. maybe I should’ve tried the mod bandit,
That’s my next helmet!
I have the C4, and very much hated it when I first got it, now it has grown on me as I like some of the features, but it is not as good as the price would suggest. It is def a two-handed action to close it, so they have not improved that over the C3. As for fogging, mine came with PinLock which really helps keep the visor clear, but that the PinLock did not fully fit properly either, so it would steam up if it cracked. The C4 is also terribly noisy too, I had such high hopes for the helmet. I do like that mine has built in comms though, the comms are great for music, not linked to other riders though.
I'd much rather have you say you like something you have paid for, than something you have been given, I have very little faith in reviews from "influencers" who are given products and seem to only ever say nice things about the free stuff! :-)
I had a C2 (most expensive I ever bought), wore it for 1800 miles on a trip. Dropped it in the bin when I got home- far from being the "quietest" lid ever made. Same visor & vent issues.
I've been using a C3 for over a year, the only thing I'd agree with you on is the lack of ventilation. It also came with a Pinlock insert so never had misting problems.
Never had an issue with the chin piece closing or the visor staying open. I've used it on several different styles of bikes and it's not a noisy helmet. Then again I'm not buying a wind tunnel designed helmet and sticking a camera on it.
Your audio is always excellent. It's cool it's so cheap! Jayman...
The Neotec 2 is the most comfortable helmet I have ever owned. It is heavy though. I have since moved to the new HJC RHPA 90S Carbon. It isn't quite as plush inside as the Neotec, but is still very comfortable and much lighter. Sound wise I would rate them both extremely close with the edge going to the HJC Carbon. Not by much though.
I’m not bothered by the Neotecs weight. Maybe I’m just used to it since I’ve had them for about 7 years. 🤣
Nice review. Thanks for the heads-up.... and for the recommendation of the one that you like.
DITTO! on everything you said. I have Schuberth C4 and it sucks exactly like you said. Every single suck point is spot on. Thank you for validating my equal disgust for the shit storm of a helmet.
Love your energy and charisma! You should be in the WWF or whatever wrestling is these days.. The Schubreth fits a euro head. Your C3 looks like the C3 lite? The lite is the economy option vs the the C3 Pro. There is a Big difference between the 2 and the price tag shows that as well. I tried a Schubreth Modular on especially when Cycle Gear was doing a massive close out and stupid incredible deals on them but they just would not fit my head. The rep at CG said they fit 1 out of 3. I had a Shoei Neotec and went to a Neotec II and that helmet is amazing! Modular s are the quietest of all helmets overall because you have to lock them into place thus preventing wind from entering. You can only take a mod off by releasing it. But no front vent? wow..Also pin lock is the only way to go to prevent fogging. I would look at a Neotec II or if Schubreth the C3 Pro or C4. Also the HJC is getting stellar reviews as well as AGV and Simpson..Great review on what NOT to buy! lol
Ok now you can relax. Peacefulness in your new bucket!
I’ve been looking for a new helmet, so thanks for the heads up. I have the Sedici now which I found to be good for the money, but it’s time for something comfy with better sound. Oh and when are you pulling for the road king raffle? I have five tickets, fingers crossed!!
Great true review. I've been there and done that, It really sucks paying good money for a crappy product.
I love my Shoei RF-1400. My wife just got a Shark modular and she likes it a lot but honestly she doesn't have much to compare it to. We got a Bilt Modular with the bike when we bought it and it took me a month to talk her into buying a better helmet.
I tried out the Neotec II, it was pretty comfortable, I also tried on the HJC Rpha 90 Carbon helmet. The HJC is lighter and cost 200 less. It saved my life back in August of this yr. It's my 2nd HJC helmet and I think for the money, they're the best. Maybe the Neotec is a it better, but I couldn't justify the price increase vs my HJC. If I could have tested it on the Hwy between them, maybe there might possibly be a worthwhile difference in price, but since I couldn't, I went with the HJC Carbon and loved it. Keep it weird Josh! Ride on brother!
The sound and video quality you have is on par with some of the high end set ups. Good one on being cheap and producing high quality videos at the same time
in 40 years... I have NEVER heard someone pronounce SHOEI wrong. I was todays years old when it happened. Well done sir.
Thanks Shadetree for the helmet review I have been thinking of getting back in to biking again and need a good Dad jeans equipment
I've seen them on the road, usually with good reviews from riders. Thanks for the heads up. I'm a Shoei fan as well.
I need to replace my AGV corsa soon. It's fairly quiet, and it's light. Things I don't like: no speaker pockets, faceshield doesn't latch up and always falls shut, ventilation is lacking in 90+ degree weather.
I'm probably going to get an ADV helmet next. Either a Bell MX9 adv, or scorpion at950.
I thought schuberth helmets started around $1000.
Also: I never thought of modular helmets as "dad helmets" but you're right. That's exactly what they are!
That's what I thought as well. Makes me think that maybe he got a fake.
The C3 lite is the economy option and 1/2 the price of the C3 Pro. C3 lite is a Cycle Gear special... I would go HJC or Scorpion over the C3 lite any day of the week if I was cost concerned
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Been road tripping Texas to Oregon. Loves glizzys for two days lol. You are controlling my mind!!! 💀💀
I don't have anything to compare loudness of helmets, but I roll with filtered ear plugs whenever I'm going to spend any time over 60mph. When I'm done with a ride I almost want to just leave them in, they just take the strain out of your head from wincing at loud noises.
I rode many kilometers wearing a C2 from Schubeth, it was comfy, quiet and never felt hot. Then I had to start wearing glasses, tried the C3, just didn’t “feel” right. Tried a Nolan N104 Ncom, wow, what a lid, fit, feel, airy and easy to open/close. You might want to look into trying one of those, and with the pin lock piece installed, no foggy visor, even in rainy Denmark where I currently reside. Godspeed to you.👍
I can see you don't have the pinlock shield installed, ergo your fogging issue. I have an S2 that is my cool weather go to with the pinlock shield installed, I've had zero issues with fogging during cool or wet weather riding. You are correct about Schuberth being a hot helmet, on a hot summer day you'll be stewing in your own juices in short order. I wear an HJC I70 as my summer helmet, and use my Schuberth for early Spring/late Fall riding. Helmets are all an individual choice, what works for one won't necessarily work for another.
I was an Arai fanboy for over 25 years and switched to a C4 Pro Carbon. I’ll never go back! So light compared to my previous lids. Granted it’s a lot more than $400.
Mr. Surgeon- It's interesting and informative to me to learn how much you disliked your C3 Schuberth, and actually this came as a surprise to me. I had the good luck that my wife won one as a doorprize last summer, and she gave it to me (!). I had it fitted to me at the importer's booth, and my reaction to this helmet is strangely about as opposite to yours as can be as I I like every thing about it. I also have a great opinion of the Shoei Neotec though, and was able to test it extensively some time ago against a C3 with no advantage I could see of one over the other. So I guess if there is anything to be learned it might be that a rider should try to get fit and tested for any new helmet since different folks have wildly varying opinions on which one works for them. Thanks, Bob
I tried on that same brand one time and it was the worst feeling helmet I have ever had on my head. The shell design you have is a round oval shape and most people are a intermediate are long oval. And I can tell by looking at your head you are a medium oval head shape. That’s why the Arai and the Shoei helmet fits you ( and myself) so well. Most manufacturers now make different helmet mold shapes to accommodate different head shapes.
Really appreciate this video! I was considering the schuberth.. glad I didn’t waste the money!! If you’re ever bored, and in need of some content.. I would love to hear your opinions on the Ruroc. That’s my “schuberth C3” experience…
I feel your pain and frustration. Same thing happened to me.
Thanks for the info! I will def look into a Shoei for my next helmet!
i bought cheap ones for the longest time and replaced them every year or two, so i went mid price this time for a Scorpion i am pretty happy with, i am trying to get as many out of it as possible, the next one i might buy a real good one and treat myself to a Arai or Shoei. Protecting the unfix able meat CPU in your skull is worth the $.
I started last year with a wholesale Scorpion, and leveled up to a RF1400 for year 2. It's night and day, and worth every penny
Both Arai and Shoei are great helmets, if not the best helmets out there. Just FYI though, it is much easier to find replacement pads for Shoei than Arai. But if the Arai feels better, go for it. (former Cycle Gear employee)
I tried the C3, but it just didn't fit my head. I swapped it for a AGV SportModular. Most of the problems you describe are also on the AGV, but there's the advantage of spending even more. After using the AGV for 2 years, the chin guard barely locks in the up position. It's also the noisiest helmet I've ever had and my Sena installation hurts my ears after a few hours. There's also the odd shape of the shell that makes the installation awkward. Yes, you can buy a AGV branded Sena that may fit better, but that's old technology.
I'll echo all your gripes with the C3. Except for it not closing well. Mine didn't have that problem. It did save my bacon though when I went over the hood of a cage at 50mph three weeks ago.
Don't apologize to us for being a "bad influencer or reviewer". We watch you because you are authentic and most of us are just like you, "We Like Bike". I love the fact that when you do review something good or bad you let us no your true unadulterated opinion. That helmet, wont even make a turd.
I rock a Schuberth C4 I grabbed off Revzilla on clearance for super cheap. It is the best helmet I have owned so far. Glad I avoided the C3. Mine is getting close to aging out. Going to be hard to replace with something else due to the integrated comm system.
I told my wife who rides the same thing … “Spend the money!” She did .. she bought the Shoei Neotec II and LOVES IT!!!
I have the C3 Pro and I won't buy another. But I don't have the closing problem you have maybe because it's the "pro version". Mine has two little flaps inside blocking the top vent holes. You need to move them out of the way for warm weather. The shield closing itself when moving is suppose to be feature. Mine also came with a pinlock lens so no fogging. It is very loud and tight around the ears. I do like it in cold weather and it is pretty light for a modular. I paid $400 the C3 Pro usually sells for around $600. I'm guessing they spend most of the profit on advertising.
THANK YOU. I've been riding just two years and am 68 yrs old. Bought the same model Sherbet you have just a couple months earlier than you. I was sure I was just too stupid or inexperienced to understand why this helmet sucked for me. THANK YOU. 73, Mike
Awesome vid helped me realize I don’t need half stuff I got to try to start my channel thanks ol shadetree
@Shadetree Surgeon
I have a G-MAX modular with an inner drop down tinted visor with an ECE-22 safety rating and it came with a multifunction “brake light” in the back of the helmet!
Big ol football shaped head pretty much limits me to Arai Signets (Profiles back in the day...) always stupid expensive but always really well made. I hate spending that kinda money but it never disappoints.
Finally someone with the exact same experience with this helmet. Mine nearly killed me from heatstroke in 2019 riding from California to Sturgis. Had to hold visor open with gorilla tape. Hottest most uncomfortable helmet I have ever owned. Now it sits in corner of garage to remind me to never buy another. I was tempted to return to Revzilla but never got around to it. Completely a piece of garbage.
Man I went through the same thing with bell helmets, my first helmet was the qualifier (~$150ish) and it was absolutely great. Decided to step up to a bell star helmet (~$400ish) a few years later, and it was BY FAR the flimsiest, squeakiest, cheap peice of crap I've ever worn. I was super disappointed with that from a major company.
Totally agree on the noise. I have an S2 and it's noisier than the Arai I had before and even the Nolan flip I had before that. They must be paying reviewers off to have gotten that reputation for quiet.
The vent is the noise letter inner . It's a feature !!
Around 2002 I worked at a mail-order motorcycle shop. One of my customers from Puerto Rico called me to get shoei's number because he wrecked his bike and a fully loaded semi sized dump truck RAN DIRECTLY OVER HIS HEAD and the only thing that happened was the helmet cracked!
Everyone already thinking it must be a Ruroc. And you can see the useless scoops for the air intakes that don't exist.
You know it's a bad helmet, when DDFM politely calls it a POS in a paid review LOL.
@@danielstewart7732If Ruroc priced it for what It's really worth like $150 max, it wouldn't be getting such a bad rap. But $600-$760 here plus 12% sales tax plus a small clearing fee at customs. RIDICULOUS
I'd give my Atlas 2 away for free but I stop myself from doing it because I don't anyone else have to suffer with it. So I keep it in my riding gear closet to remind me of my own stupidity.
I owned a C3 Pro and crashed with a medium head impact to the ground, did a great job protecting my brains and I really liked it as a helmet but I have to say a lots of the stuff you brought up is true.
- The closing thing does happen sometimes and you also have to slam it to make it shut properly
- It is hot but I live in a cold country so that’s a good thing
- I didn’t have visor problems but don’t ride with it open
- I found it MARGINALLY quieter than other helmets but I rode only naked bikes with it
- agree with the inability to put speakers in it, no extra space
- I also bought a shoei which I like better 🤣
Look at the Boxer v8. Or newer model. It’s French. The modular chin area - goes behind the helmet. . No air drag. But can’t go wrong with Shoei
My HD helmet is getting noisy, but it's getting old. The wind noise comes from the soft foam now being softer than before and the air cmoes up my neck and sides.Loud pipes? Wind noise from 60kmh and you won't notice! (Helps a little when wearing something around my neck, but not really anymore) I expect all helmets get wind noise the same way.
The livery on that shoei is sick!
A cheap (very cheap) scorpion exo 510 is doing the job for me just now, but I've noticed some hot spots and pressure on my head after about an hour. Been looking at more upmarket helmets for a while now. The season for long rides is coming to an end here, so time to get saving...
Damn, I'm surprised it failed so hard. You mentioned you have an HJC. I've been buying them for the last 10+ years, CL15, 16, now I have the 17. Fuckin awesome helmets. $100-$140 gets you damn good fitment, fairly light weight, fully removable insides, good detents and venting, and with the CL series SNELL approval. Great helmets. Wife has a Shoei, you really can't go wrong with them. I've considered one for a next helmet.
My favorite helmet has been the Icon Alliance and, I'm so upset that it's being discontinued. I just bought a Shoei RF-1200 two months ago and I hate it. My first helmet was a Shoei Qwest and it was just okay. The Icon probably just fits my head better.
Personally like the 1200 but you gotta go with what You like.
@@pcontiman Do you find the RF1200 to he noisy?
@@jackdaniel1848 it is noisy. The worst for me is that I ride with the visor up and when I do that, it whistles like a drunk sailor. I love the fit and the heft, but it is noisy.