Nope he just writes at the seat if his pants. The only reason there is any more is because of guidebooks an other extra material Toei and Shueisha have been putting out.
I always assumed that Shin became the Grand Supreme Kai due to being the only one left. And all the Supreme Kais in the tournament of power were also the "Grand Supreme Kais" of each universe.
i think that the supreme kais that went to the TOP were all daiokaioshins so the head of the supreme kais and maybe zamasu was like shin and was The north supreme kai (shin being the east)
Gokuto Thats what i was saying maybe he was a regular kai at first or like the grand kai of his universe before he was moved up to supreme kai in training
The head canon I've made to deal with this plot hole since it came up was to assume that each Supreme Kai we see for each other universe, is that universe's equivalent to Dai Kaiōshin, who is currently part of Majinn Buu in Universe 7. Shin, being the highest ranked Kai left, is effectively filling the role for U7. But yeah, I'm betting Toriyama just forgot that there were five of them. I'm hoping we get an explanation in the Moro arc at some point anyway, since there is talk about pulling Dai Kaiōshin out of Buu somehow, the character is at least being acknowledged and that makes the plot hole all the more noticeable.
I was just wondering about this. So with the gods of destruction, who exactly are their lives linked with? The grand supreme kai or all of the supreme Kaia?
There’s theories on both, you can argue that when DaiKaio was absorbed he didn’t die yet OR that the life link simply transfers to the next highest Supreme Kai. But I prefer the idea that he is linked to them all and as long as there as at least one then the GoD is safe.
@JoGeJo the old guy with the sword? Why him specifically? If he were only linked to one it’d logically be the highest Kai which would be Grand Supreme Kai.
I’m sure all of the Kais that attended the TOP were all Daikaios and in the time supreme Kai was still on his world he named himself temporary Great Lord of Lords. Also a DaiKaio is still a supreme Kai Golden Fruit = Supreme Kai Fruit = Kai
Another question. How do the 5 kai's connect to Beerus? 2. How is Beerus connected to Shin instead of Old kai? How does a God's link even transfer from Kai to Kai if the Kai dies The God should to meaning a new God of destruction needs to take the old ones place. 3. Technically speaking shouldnt Universe 7 have 4 MORE kais not mentioned from Old kai's generation? While on the topic of kai's what happened to the others like soulth, east west kai (Ones from the filler in IRONICALLY kai) and Grand kai (the one that taught goku how to go SSJ3). 4. How did Beerus not die when Old Kai killed himself and where was old kai's fruit since he died in the buu arc. Does the process get cancelled when they comeback to life? Same with Kibito 5. How come the Kai's werent brought back to life didnt they ask for everyone killed by buu to be revived?
Beerus is probably only linked to whoever is serving as the main Supreme Kai of the universe. And after Elder Kai was sealed in the Z Sword. A new system for the number of Supreme Kai's in Universe 7 was put in place.
I was ranting about this on the Kanzenshuu forums two years ago when the the ToP arc started and this oddity first came about. I’ve since given up. Toriyama confuses this stuff all the time.
I have a theory that all the supreme kais we see in the other universes are actually the grand supreme kais. The north, south, east and west, supreme kais just aren't shown. Supreme Kai shin is technically still the east supreme kai, but also the grand supreme kai now, since the original was absorbed.
It’s gotta be a retcon/forgotten lore thing. Shin training Trunks in the DBS manga is proof. So is Gowasu training Zamasu. It makes me wonder if Kibito is potentially a Kaioshin replacement?
Hey Mike if you see this I have a quick question, if piccolo and supreme kai would have fought in that tournament before piccolo quit who would have won? Great video btw.
Good video Mike, keep up the good work. I like when you do insightful videos like this, I feel like you have a unique way of looking at the series vs. other DBtubers.
What I want to know is what happened to the two kais kid buu killed. We saw with old Kai that they live on in other world after losing their lives, so where are they?
Wait, you actually right! It's super weird that they never appear again considering that King Kai died and yet he still chilling on Otherworld. They should realistically be able to move around too (with the only limitations being that they can't go to the living world). Heck, other than those two, how about the other previous Supreme Kais that already died of natural causes? Do they only able to move in heaven?
Its like in DBZ they established a supreme kai hierarchy then in DBS they completely retconned it then in the Moro arc they kinda brought back the hierarchy a bit.
My head cannon is that our current Supreme Kai was a Kai like King Kai and the Grand Supreme Kai was the Supreme Kai. After the old Supreme Kai was absorbed, our current Supreme Kai took it over.
it's more like they needed 1 representative for each universe, even for Universe 7, Kibito didn't show up during Tournament of Power even though the Elder Kaioshin was there, plus U7 had a more necessity for more Kaioshin, due to having a more wicked/corrupt/evil being, which is why U7 is one of lowest ranking universe, ranking 11tth among 12 universe, while other higher rank universe probably don't need 4 Kaioshin like U7 did
Just my theory tell me if you disagree 1. I thought all of the supreme kais from different universes that show up in the T.O.P was the Grand Supreme Kai and all of the other Supreme Kais just stay in their universe some one has to look after. 2. I don't like the idea that killing one weak Supreme Kai alsoll kills a a God of Destruction but killing 5 makes more harder but not impossible. 3. The reason a New Supreme Kai has not been born yet is probably because their King Kai counterpart Is still alive. Perhaps that part of the universe needs to truly not have no one watching over it for the process to begin. It not like the King Kais have done nothing to keep their universe safe they get heroes to fight villains who are threat.
My headcannon: there are 5 supreme kais in each universe, 4 that create planets and life in each section (because having one kai do it for every section sounds like way too much for one kai), one to keep them in check, and one of them becomes life linked to the g.o.d., I'm sure if all the kais of universe 7 were still around and shin is still life linked to beerus (if he's the only one), he would still be the only one to go the universe 6 tournament, the zeno expo, and the tournament of power.
Dragon ball is full of contradiction because Toryama has bad memory and don't used to care about his lore. In recent years he has grown more careful though. So, he might explain this Kaiohin question soon. He even reintroduced South Kaioshin
I think the universes have the same system we just only saw the grand supreme kai for each universe and somehow being killed by buu kept new kais from being born FURTHERMORE, if there's a vacancy the grand supreme kai can choose a worthy mortal to fill the position.
the small questions like is there a "Core World" in each universe or is there one "Core World" out side of the universes? i know theres a demon realm in each universe. or at least there is 1 in universe 7. is chronoa supreme kai of time of universe 7 or of all the universes?
Universe seven having 5 supreme Kais at once was a massive outlier. Beyond that the Kai are based off Hindu mythology, especially their reincarnation. As the universe seven supreme Kais died fighting buu their souls could not reincarnate as they had unfulfilled desires. Also if they had become lax or lazy in their roles due to so many of them existing at once their laziness could have given them bad karma lowering their reincarnations potential and how quickly they do reincarnate. It also explains their ability to unleash someone’s potential, it isn’t the potential of your body but the potential of your soul. They bridge the gap between your weak flesh and your eternal soul allowing you to access all the boons your passed life earned and then further develop them. This make even more sense with piccolo, as a fusion he has at least three souls. Kami’s soul was so pure he was born into the dragon type and nail was always a righteous person. I believe the statement “all you had plus a bit extra” related to this. He already had the potential from kami and nail, but he was also gifted his own potential from purifying his demonic soul. Idk if it’s because he died or because of the dragon ball magic but I’m sure he got at least 3 soul boosts. Maybe more if nail ever fused before fusion was outlawed.
I mean all the Universe's could have the same system just doesn't show or talk about the other kai's as isn't really a reason to, it's only about the Kai that's connected to it's universe's GoD. However what isn't ever followed up on is the Grand Kai that train's Goku when he's dead
Ok but how come when goku and vegeta ended up in buu's body and found fat buu and piccolo and goten trunks and gohan why didn't they find the other ki's in buu's body i mean did they die in buu's body
There's a theory that since those Kais were inside Buu for over a million years Buu actually absorbed them completely; they are forever a part of Majin Buu. I like to think of it like namekian fusion. Nail didn't technically die but he essentially lost himself and who he was when he fused with Piccolo. Just a theory. I'd think of it as a fusion that you can't escape from.
The supreme Kai shin became a supreme Kai after a long time and there are still 5 kais below him the north south east and west kais as well as the grand kai. it is possible that the supreme Kai at the time of buu didn’t die and soon shin became the supreme Kai. All the universes have the same thing. The fruit is formed which makes a quadrant Kai one of them becomes a grand Kai and he later maybe becomes a supreme Kai this is why zamasu was chosen as the next Kai from the quadrant Kai directly because of his abilities And the grand supreme Kai that was killed by buu was the grand Kai who is one rank below supreme Kai
What about Kabito? He was a Kaioshin but not a Surpreme Kai just a attendant. I thought Zamasu was a attendant in training but I guess I was wrong. I wish the gods and other deities along with the demons of the demon realm were more fleshed out.
People Don’t realise that the Supreme Kai of U6 Resembles the grand supreme Kai of U7 the same way Beerus and champa are twins might just mean that they didn’t forget about the multiple supreme Kai’s also How come? Champa was given potara earrings to give to Kail and Caulifla yet the supreme Kai seem to already be wearing a pair himself?? Doesn’t that mean he had been given the earrings by another supreme Kai. Plus we know that potara earrings are only worn by a supreme Kai so...
Maybe every univesre has a similar event to universe 7s Majin Buu event and the Supreme Kai’s that exist now are the soul surviving Supreme Kai’s of their universes.
Maybe universe 7 needed that many Kai’s due to Beerus destroying countless planets it’ll be hard for just 1 Kai to keep up with his carelessness or maybe I’m reaching and Toriyama doesn’t care lol
I thought after buu killed daikaishin...the then east Kai took the position and the current north, south, east and west Kais came to be in the place of the new ones😂😂😂
Perhaps it does take time and under special circumstances a kai can bring someone to that rank. Also when you look at the kais of universe 7 not all of them look like king kai.
I think it works like this at the bottom we have the cardinal Kai's then above them is the grand kai then 4 supreme kai for each quadrant then the grand kai then the supreme kai apprentice then finally THE supreme kai so it works like there's supreme kai for both south east and west quadrants but at the top of the hierarchy is THE supreme kai the difinite article not just a supreme kai but the number 1 supreme kai that's what shin and elder kai are
The way I see it (no evidence just opinion) is that each universe has their own system of doing things, they can have as many Supreme Kais as they like but in doing so they have the responsibility to ensure they are worthy and can do the job etc. Some may prefer to rule creation alone, some my chose a single apprentice as a backup (Gowasu and Zamasu), and some may chose to split their universes responsibilities to many like U7 does with the 4 Kais and have the grand supreme Kai lead them. Maybe Universe 7 is the only one with that many Supreme Kais because Beerus is a lazy ass who’s always asleep so they had to fend for themselves coz he was no help 😅
Where are all the grand supreme kais of the other universes? The answer is: They no longer exist, and here's my reason... A long running multimedia franchise such as Dragon Ball (DB) is bound to develope plot holes and inconsistency over time, DB is no exception. DB has been around for over "30 years." That means, lots of ideas are changed, thinking, and feelings on things change, things retconned, things left out, and things just simply "forgotten." Meanwhile us fans attempt to fill in these holes with theories, attempting to make sense out of something that has "no sense" at all. Now, at the beginning of DB, we learned about King Kai, at that point we "assumed" that he's the chief overseeing deity of the universe, hence bearing the title "king." Then later on in the series, we learned that King Kai has contemporaries, with him being no long sole kai but just one of four cardinal sub-deities, with him being overseer of the north quadrant of the universe and there being the other kais south, east, and west with their own quadrant they oversee. Then we was introduced to the Grand Kai, who was in charge of managing the other sub-deity kais. For that moment we reasoned that Grand Kai was the chief of the universe, but then a little later, yet we learned of "another" higher deity, the Supreme Kai, aliased Shin. We have good reasons to accept that Shin is the ultimate overseer of the universe, which he IS currently, BUT this wasn't the case at a different point in time. We soon learned that long ago the universe had "more" supreme kais, much like the lower kais, the supreme kais are ordered by a cardinal quadrant of the universe, bearing the supreme kais of the north, south, west, and Shin, being orignally the Supreme Kai of the east. And we have "yet another" higher deity that manages them, the Grand Supreme Kai. How Shin became the chief deity of the universe, Universe 7 (U7) by the way, is that he was the sole survivor of the Majin Buu attack that either had killed or absorbed the other high ranking deities, including the higher deity, Grand Supreme Kai. After all their deaths, Shin took on the role or "office" of Grand Supreme Kai but he NEVER had appropriating the "title" of Grand Supreme Kai. Shin was ALWAYS addressed as Supreme Kai, the sole Supreme Kai. Thus, Shin is NOT Grand Supreme Kai of U7, nor even Elder Supreme Kai, who was "a" supreme kai 15 generations ago ever said to have held that title. So that begs an answer to the question, Where are all the grand supreme kais of the other universes? The answer was that they do not exist, and it doesn't have anything to do with a particular event that happened in U7, but WHY??? Because, the writer, Akira Toriyama (AT), creator of the series, simply "forgot" them. As mentioned in the fore front, a long running multimedia franchise such as DB is bound to develope plot holes and inconsistency over time, AT is known to forget things, ALOT of things, just ask Lunch! So does that mean that all the other supreme kais of the other universes aren't actually grand supreme kais? Exactly so, even though they do hold the "office" of Grand Supreme Kai, they do not assume the "title" Grand Supreme Kai, they never was refered to as such, they all are what they are, supreme kais, and "sole" at that matter of each of their own respective universes.
I found Paticularly Zamasu, Shin, Gowasu and Kibito to be okay characters. Old Kai was okay too but why did he have to be a pervert? I agree with Shin that sort of behaviour isn't what a Deity should have.
Caulifla is the Female Goku, Kale is the Female Broly. For Vegeta, I have no clue because Cabba is nothing like him. Cabba is more like Tarble with actual fighting skills then Vegeta.
My question is: Why didn't the other Kai's (North, East, West, and Supreme) were relieved after defeating Kid Buu? Why haven't the other Kai's (North, East, West, and Supreme) were separated from Super Buu like the others when Goku and Vegeta was inside Super Buu and Free the others? And why is Majin Buu still alive, he is clearly the essence of Supreme Kai after he was absorbed by kid buu? The whole thing seems like bad writing to me honestly
Toriyama was probably too lazy himself to include them back into the series also I don’t understand why it has been so long since this man shin has been the supreme kai and he hasn’t started making new planets to help improve the mortal level for universe 7 and help restore the balance from which beerus has ruined by destroying planets based off of his appetite
That whole multiple Supreme Kai thing was total bullshit and unnecessary, when we first meet Shin at the tournament he was not just the "East Supreme Kai" he was THE Supreme Kai, and that should be respected afterwards in the saga. The Supreme Kai was supossed to be the ultimate God, its ridiculous that there are more than one, and if all that shit was actually retconned then thanks God (literally).
If Beerus's life is tied to Shin, was there another (previous) God of Destruction who's life was tied to the Elder Kai as well before Shin? Or is Beerus's life tied to both and that tie some how being passed from the Elder to Shin? Its confusing....
Beerus is the one that sealed the Elder Kai in the Z-Swords, so he was tied to both. Elder Kai never actually died so Beerus was not in any real danger and the role of Supreme Kai was passed on to the next Kaioshin.
inaccurate from the very first sentence the first kai we meet is king kai and supreme kai was met PRIOR to db super. Infact several kai's were. Including the bad ass hippy that was the grand kai. (Pican vs Goku anyone?)
We literally know all of them north south west Supreme Kai we're all killed by Majin Buu Kid Buu at that and Grand Supreme Kai was exorb along with I believe it to be one other car or at least you thought of exhorting one other Supreme Kai but never happened because you became fat boo and was sealed away
I have the answer for you: Toriyama doesn't care about his own lore.
He forgot most likely
Nope he just writes at the seat if his pants. The only reason there is any more is because of guidebooks an other extra material Toei and Shueisha have been putting out.
Or mabey hes a old man
Maybe not. he did bring back the Grand supreme kai in the Moro arc in the manga
@@VYDEOS2 That was Toyotaro.
I always assumed that Shin became the Grand Supreme Kai due to being the only one left. And all the Supreme Kais in the tournament of power were also the "Grand Supreme Kais" of each universe.
This would make sense if they didn’t bring old Kai as well
@@connorhodge23I think it would make sense as he’s Shins mentor in a way
Sameee
i think that the supreme kais that went to the TOP were all daiokaioshins so the head of the supreme kais and maybe zamasu was like shin and was The north supreme kai (shin being the east)
Shin isnt the head of the supreme kais it was the fat supreme kai
Zamasu was the supreme kai in training for when gowasu passes
Gokuto Thats what i was saying maybe he was a regular kai at first or like the grand kai of his universe before he was moved up to supreme kai in training
@@dreadheadtajie2186 he was originally the north kai
@@justasimpthathasnomoney7411 yep. The one that buu absorbed and became fat
The head canon I've made to deal with this plot hole since it came up was to assume that each Supreme Kai we see for each other universe, is that universe's equivalent to Dai Kaiōshin, who is currently part of Majinn Buu in Universe 7. Shin, being the highest ranked Kai left, is effectively filling the role for U7.
But yeah, I'm betting Toriyama just forgot that there were five of them. I'm hoping we get an explanation in the Moro arc at some point anyway, since there is talk about pulling Dai Kaiōshin out of Buu somehow, the character is at least being acknowledged and that makes the plot hole all the more noticeable.
They're not pulling him out of Buu. They used hypnosis so Buu got their memories back. Read the new chapter, ok?
@@JackieFuckingChan he was speculating, I assume this was before the chapter was released
I was just wondering about this. So with the gods of destruction, who exactly are their lives linked with? The grand supreme kai or all of the supreme Kaia?
My headcanon was always that he's linked to all of them, that would explain why he didn't die in Buu's rampage.
Ariiel11RP Hmmm interesting
Dexuz True
There’s theories on both, you can argue that when DaiKaio was absorbed he didn’t die yet OR that the life link simply transfers to the next highest Supreme Kai.
But I prefer the idea that he is linked to them all and as long as there as at least one then the GoD is safe.
@JoGeJo the old guy with the sword? Why him specifically?
If he were only linked to one it’d logically be the highest Kai which would be Grand Supreme Kai.
Geekdom mentioned this once but I don't think he made a video ....Good Topic
I’m sure all of the Kais that attended the TOP were all Daikaios and in the time supreme Kai was still on his world he named himself temporary Great Lord of Lords.
Also a DaiKaio is still a supreme Kai
Golden Fruit = Supreme Kai
Fruit = Kai
Another question. How do the 5 kai's connect to Beerus? 2. How is Beerus connected to Shin instead of Old kai? How does a God's link even transfer from Kai to Kai if the Kai dies The God should to meaning a new God of destruction needs to take the old ones place. 3. Technically speaking shouldnt Universe 7 have 4 MORE kais not mentioned from Old kai's generation? While on the topic of kai's what happened to the others like soulth, east west kai (Ones from the filler in IRONICALLY kai) and Grand kai (the one that taught goku how to go SSJ3). 4. How did Beerus not die when Old Kai killed himself and where was old kai's fruit since he died in the buu arc. Does the process get cancelled when they comeback to life? Same with Kibito 5. How come the Kai's werent brought back to life didnt they ask for everyone killed by buu to be revived?
Wait, did you just say Grand Kai taught Goku SSJ3??? Where'd you get that BS from?
Inazuma TheRipper that’s headcanon imao
Beerus is probably only linked to whoever is serving as the main Supreme Kai of the universe. And after Elder Kai was sealed in the Z Sword. A new system for the number of Supreme Kai's in Universe 7 was put in place.
@@MrJohnDoe2525 What? The one with the white beard from the filler?
@@futurewarrior3023 yeah Grand kai big white beard
Toriyama just makes stuff up as he goes in interviews in order to give a "cool" answer. And I feel like it's the same with these handbooks.
I agree... & I hate that
I was ranting about this on the Kanzenshuu forums two years ago when the the ToP arc started and this oddity first came about. I’ve since given up. Toriyama confuses this stuff all the time.
I hated how Supreme Kai was extremely cocky during the tournament.
Virtual-Zero Zero Really? I kinda liked it haha
@@nyirobiojulu3743 I don't blame you x)
I hate he wasn't that strong to back up his cockiness and we almost never see him fight aside from fat buu(in which buu slaughtered him).
He was teasing Piccolo and firmly believed the Z-Sword would defeat Buu.
Supreme Kai who? There were 12 Kai's there
I have a theory that all the supreme kais we see in the other universes are actually the grand supreme kais. The north, south, east and west, supreme kais just aren't shown. Supreme Kai shin is technically still the east supreme kai, but also the grand supreme kai now, since the original was absorbed.
Yeah thats exactly what I was thinking. I also believe the elder kai was invited since his wisdom and experience is enough to allow him to be invited
And this is one of dragon ball potholes (:
GILGA MESH not plot hole just forgotten concept
@@sidecharacter3193 it's a joke
It’s gotta be a retcon/forgotten lore thing. Shin training Trunks in the DBS manga is proof. So is Gowasu training Zamasu. It makes me wonder if Kibito is potentially a Kaioshin replacement?
Hey Mike if you see this I have a quick question, if piccolo and supreme kai would have fought in that tournament before piccolo quit who would have won? Great video btw.
Probably still SK
@@shiningmissingno.8788 yeah I kind of thought so too.
Good topic!
Good video Mike, keep up the good work. I like when you do insightful videos like this, I feel like you have a unique way of looking at the series vs. other DBtubers.
Well atleast Toriyama didn't forget about the Grand Supreme Kai yet.
THE SMILE THOUGH 😂
What I want to know is what happened to the two kais kid buu killed. We saw with old Kai that they live on in other world after losing their lives, so where are they?
Wait, you actually right! It's super weird that they never appear again considering that King Kai died and yet he still chilling on Otherworld. They should realistically be able to move around too (with the only limitations being that they can't go to the living world).
Heck, other than those two, how about the other previous Supreme Kais that already died of natural causes? Do they only able to move in heaven?
Very good question indeed
Its like in DBZ they established a supreme kai hierarchy then in DBS they completely retconned it then in the Moro arc they kinda brought back the hierarchy a bit.
Buu vs moro i think would be dope af
what did you think of the fight?
Great topic. So many things toriyama forgot about and made retcons for no real reason.
My head cannon is that our current Supreme Kai was a Kai like King Kai and the Grand Supreme Kai was the Supreme Kai. After the old Supreme Kai was absorbed, our current Supreme Kai took it over.
Ive been wondering this ever since the 6th universe tournament, thx for talking about it
every 12 universes has a majin to do kills 4 supreme kais. xD
it's more like they needed 1 representative for each universe, even for Universe 7, Kibito didn't show up during Tournament of Power even though the Elder Kaioshin was there, plus U7 had a more necessity for more Kaioshin, due to having a more wicked/corrupt/evil being, which is why U7 is one of lowest ranking universe, ranking 11tth among 12 universe, while other higher rank universe probably don't need 4 Kaioshin like U7 did
Just my theory tell me if you disagree
1. I thought all of the supreme kais from different universes that show up in the T.O.P was the Grand Supreme Kai and all of the other Supreme Kais just stay in their universe some one has to look after.
2. I don't like the idea that killing one weak Supreme Kai alsoll kills a a God of Destruction but killing 5 makes more harder but not impossible.
3. The reason a New Supreme Kai has not been born yet is probably because their King Kai counterpart Is still alive. Perhaps that part of the universe needs to truly not have no one watching over it for the process to begin. It not like the King Kais have done nothing to keep their universe safe they get heroes to fight villains who are threat.
I completely agree with theory 1
OMG I literally was just thinking about this question and here's your video on this. lol
My headcannon: there are 5 supreme kais in each universe, 4 that create planets and life in each section (because having one kai do it for every section sounds like way too much for one kai), one to keep them in check, and one of them becomes life linked to the g.o.d., I'm sure if all the kais of universe 7 were still around and shin is still life linked to beerus (if he's the only one), he would still be the only one to go the universe 6 tournament, the zeno expo, and the tournament of power.
Dragon ball is full of contradiction because Toryama has bad memory and don't used to care about his lore. In recent years he has grown more careful though. So, he might explain this Kaiohin question soon. He even reintroduced South Kaioshin
I think the universes have the same system we just only saw the grand supreme kai for each universe and somehow being killed by buu kept new kais from being born FURTHERMORE, if there's a vacancy the grand supreme kai can choose a worthy mortal to fill the position.
Guess you just forgot about the other world tournament arc in z? King kia and the other 3 cardinal direction kais and the grand kai overseeing them.
This video is about the Supreme Kais. However, I show some imagery of the lower Kais during the video.
the small questions like
is there a "Core World" in each universe or is there one "Core World" out side of the universes? i know theres a demon realm in each universe. or at least there is 1 in universe 7.
is chronoa supreme kai of time of universe 7 or of all the universes?
It’s possible that Toriyama forgot. Case closed.
Universe seven having 5 supreme Kais at once was a massive outlier. Beyond that the Kai are based off Hindu mythology, especially their reincarnation. As the universe seven supreme Kais died fighting buu their souls could not reincarnate as they had unfulfilled desires. Also if they had become lax or lazy in their roles due to so many of them existing at once their laziness could have given them bad karma lowering their reincarnations potential and how quickly they do reincarnate. It also explains their ability to unleash someone’s potential, it isn’t the potential of your body but the potential of your soul. They bridge the gap between your weak flesh and your eternal soul allowing you to access all the boons your passed life earned and then further develop them.
This make even more sense with piccolo, as a fusion he has at least three souls. Kami’s soul was so pure he was born into the dragon type and nail was always a righteous person. I believe the statement “all you had plus a bit extra” related to this. He already had the potential from kami and nail, but he was also gifted his own potential from purifying his demonic soul. Idk if it’s because he died or because of the dragon ball magic but I’m sure he got at least 3 soul boosts. Maybe more if nail ever fused before fusion was outlawed.
Watching this is perfect for Dragon Ball Daima
I mean all the Universe's could have the same system just doesn't show or talk about the other kai's as isn't really a reason to, it's only about the Kai that's connected to it's universe's GoD. However what isn't ever followed up on is the Grand Kai that train's Goku when he's dead
Universe 6 Supreme Kai looks like the original Grand Supreme Kai but in green, maybe he just doesn't wear a cape and it's really a grand Supreme Kai
im in love with lila the west kaioshin
Ok but how come when goku and vegeta ended up in buu's body and found fat buu and piccolo and goten trunks and gohan why didn't they find the other ki's in buu's body i mean did they die in buu's body
Luis ZX13 I wonder that to
There's a theory that since those Kais were inside Buu for over a million years Buu actually absorbed them completely; they are forever a part of Majin Buu. I like to think of it like namekian fusion. Nail didn't technically die but he essentially lost himself and who he was when he fused with Piccolo. Just a theory. I'd think of it as a fusion that you can't escape from.
This might sound trippy but the kais were likely inside of Fat Buu when he was inside of Super Buu.
Finally someone said something this was killing me.
Dude I have been wondering this for months lol
The supreme Kai shin became a supreme Kai after a long time and there are still 5 kais below him the north south east and west kais as well as the grand kai. it is possible that the supreme Kai at the time of buu didn’t die and soon shin became the supreme Kai. All the universes have the same thing. The fruit is formed which makes a quadrant Kai one of them becomes a grand Kai and he later maybe becomes a supreme Kai this is why zamasu was chosen as the next Kai from the quadrant Kai directly because of his abilities And the grand supreme Kai that was killed by buu was the grand Kai who is one rank below supreme Kai
What about Kabito? He was a Kaioshin but not a Surpreme Kai just a attendant. I thought Zamasu was a attendant in training but I guess I was wrong. I wish the gods and other deities along with the demons of the demon realm were more fleshed out.
And he never did the end
People Don’t realise that the Supreme Kai of U6 Resembles the grand supreme Kai of U7 the same way Beerus and champa are twins
might just mean that they didn’t forget about the multiple supreme Kai’s also
How come? Champa was given potara earrings to give to Kail and Caulifla yet the supreme Kai seem to already be wearing a pair himself?? Doesn’t that mean he had been given the earrings by another supreme Kai. Plus we know that potara earrings are only worn by a supreme Kai so...
if you stop to do think, what happen for the strongest supreme kai from universe 7 which majin buu absorbed?
You should do what if Cell became perfect before Goku and Vegeta entered hyperbolic time chamber
Also when a Supreme Kai dies so does the God. As stated by Whis. The God and Kai are a set
Actually I think that the Kai’s that were absorbed weren’t really dead that were just, absorbed like you said.
Toriyama forgets the supreme kai system. For sure he's not taking notes about his lore
Maybe every univesre has a similar event to universe 7s Majin Buu event and the Supreme Kai’s that exist now are the soul surviving Supreme Kai’s of their universes.
Maybe universe 7 needed that many Kai’s due to Beerus destroying countless planets it’ll be hard for just 1 Kai to keep up with his carelessness or maybe I’m reaching and Toriyama doesn’t care lol
Easy answer: Toriyama is lazy
Is there a reason why Universe 7 Grand Kai was not in the Tournament of power?
I thought after buu killed daikaishin...the then east Kai took the position and the current north, south, east and west Kais came to be in the place of the new ones😂😂😂
My biggest question is why do our kai's have red shoes and why does every other kai have white shoes
Perhaps it does take time and under special circumstances a kai can bring someone to that rank. Also when you look at the kais of universe 7 not all of them look like king kai.
What does them not looking like king kai have to do with anything
Is it possible since Bibidi hated the Kai's so much that he cut down the Kai's tree with buu so others could not be born
I think it works like this at the bottom we have the cardinal Kai's then above them is the grand kai then 4 supreme kai for each quadrant then the grand kai then the supreme kai apprentice then finally THE supreme kai so it works like there's supreme kai for both south east and west quadrants but at the top of the hierarchy is THE supreme kai the difinite article not just a supreme kai but the number 1 supreme kai that's what shin and elder kai are
The way I see it (no evidence just opinion) is that each universe has their own system of doing things, they can have as many Supreme Kais as they like but in doing so they have the responsibility to ensure they are worthy and can do the job etc.
Some may prefer to rule creation alone, some my chose a single apprentice as a backup (Gowasu and Zamasu), and some may chose to split their universes responsibilities to many like U7 does with the 4 Kais and have the grand supreme Kai lead them.
Maybe Universe 7 is the only one with that many Supreme Kais because Beerus is a lazy ass who’s always asleep so they had to fend for themselves coz he was no help 😅
Where are all the grand supreme kais of the other universes?
The answer is:
They no longer exist, and here's my reason...
A long running multimedia franchise such as Dragon Ball (DB) is bound to develope plot holes and inconsistency over time, DB is no exception. DB has been around for over "30 years." That means, lots of ideas are changed, thinking, and feelings on things change, things retconned, things left out, and things just simply "forgotten." Meanwhile us fans attempt to fill in these holes with theories, attempting to make sense out of something that has "no sense" at all.
Now, at the beginning of DB, we learned about King Kai, at that point we "assumed" that he's the chief overseeing deity of the universe, hence bearing the title "king." Then later on in the series, we learned that King Kai has contemporaries, with him being no long sole kai but just one of four cardinal sub-deities, with him being overseer of the north quadrant of the universe and there being the other kais south, east, and west with their own quadrant they oversee. Then we was introduced to the Grand Kai, who was in charge of managing the other sub-deity kais. For that moment we reasoned that Grand Kai was the chief of the universe, but then a little later, yet we learned of "another" higher deity, the Supreme Kai, aliased Shin.
We have good reasons to accept that Shin is the ultimate overseer of the universe, which he IS currently, BUT this wasn't the case at a different point in time. We soon learned that long ago the universe had "more" supreme kais, much like the lower kais, the supreme kais are ordered by a cardinal quadrant of the universe, bearing the supreme kais of the north, south, west, and Shin, being orignally the Supreme Kai of the east. And we have "yet another" higher deity that manages them, the Grand Supreme Kai. How Shin became the chief deity of the universe, Universe 7 (U7) by the way, is that he was the sole survivor of the Majin Buu attack that either had killed or absorbed the other high ranking deities, including the higher deity, Grand Supreme Kai. After all their deaths, Shin took on the role or "office" of Grand Supreme Kai but he NEVER had appropriating the "title" of Grand Supreme Kai. Shin was ALWAYS addressed as Supreme Kai, the sole Supreme Kai. Thus, Shin is NOT Grand Supreme Kai of U7, nor even Elder Supreme Kai, who was "a" supreme kai 15 generations ago ever said to have held that title.
So that begs an answer to the question, Where are all the grand supreme kais of the other universes?
The answer was that they do not exist, and it doesn't have anything to do with a particular event that happened in U7, but WHY??? Because, the writer, Akira Toriyama (AT), creator of the series, simply "forgot" them. As mentioned in the fore front, a long running multimedia franchise such as DB is bound to develope plot holes and inconsistency over time, AT is known to forget things, ALOT of things, just ask Lunch!
So does that mean that all the other supreme kais of the other universes aren't actually grand supreme kais? Exactly so, even though they do hold the "office" of Grand Supreme Kai, they do not assume the "title" Grand Supreme Kai, they never was refered to as such, they all are what they are, supreme kais, and "sole" at that matter of each of their own respective universes.
Maybe the kais across the universes have/had a life link and the other four were erased from every universe when Buu kiled universe 7's
Wouldn't the hakaishin of that time line die because a kaioshin died right?
I found Paticularly Zamasu, Shin, Gowasu and Kibito to be okay characters. Old Kai was okay too but why did he have to be a pervert? I agree with Shin that sort of behaviour isn't what a Deity should have.
IF GOKU AND VEGETA WENT IN BOO IN Z THEN WERES THE FAT KAI AND THE OTHER KAIS!?!?
They ignored that so they only had to design 11 Supreme Kais instead of 55.
Where is universe 6 Goku and Vegeta?
Caulifla is the Female Goku, Kale is the Female Broly. For Vegeta, I have no clue because Cabba is nothing like him. Cabba is more like Tarble with actual fighting skills then Vegeta.
Just came here for a what if suggestion
What if the android saga came AFTER buu and cell would have all the new abilities
They would probably be fighting Android 21 instead of cell, since she has Buu's DNA.
Unless all the other supreme kais were really grand supreme kais
My question is:
Why didn't the other Kai's (North, East, West, and Supreme) were relieved after defeating Kid Buu?
Why haven't the other Kai's (North, East, West, and Supreme) were separated from Super Buu like the others when Goku and Vegeta was inside Super Buu and Free the others?
And why is Majin Buu still alive, he is clearly the essence of Supreme Kai after he was absorbed by kid buu?
The whole thing seems like bad writing to me honestly
Toriyama was probably too lazy himself to include them back into the series also I don’t understand why it has been so long since this man shin has been the supreme kai and he hasn’t started making new planets to help improve the mortal level for universe 7 and help restore the balance from which beerus has ruined by destroying planets based off of his appetite
He should got more story cause he once he was the youngest of the supreme Kai's
The was only one kai killed by buu but i cannot see a kai being born in the manga.
I think they around, just haven't been drawn in
That whole multiple Supreme Kai thing was total bullshit and unnecessary, when we first meet Shin at the tournament he was not just the "East Supreme Kai" he was THE Supreme Kai, and that should be respected afterwards in the saga.
The Supreme Kai was supossed to be the ultimate God, its ridiculous that there are more than one, and if all that shit was actually retconned then thanks God (literally).
If Beerus's life is tied to Shin, was there another (previous) God of Destruction who's life was tied to the Elder Kai as well before Shin? Or is Beerus's life tied to both and that tie some how being passed from the Elder to Shin? Its confusing....
Beerus is the one that sealed the Elder Kai in the Z-Swords, so he was tied to both. Elder Kai never actually died so Beerus was not in any real danger and the role of Supreme Kai was passed on to the next Kaioshin.
Toriyama has the biggest headcannon 😂
You're an idiot
I Figured East is where japan is located
subliminally shin represents japan and all of Asia
Somebody needs to give Toriyama note pads
Guys call me a dumbass but I just realized Elder Kai was the old Supreme Kai I just noticed that wearing the same clothes
Do they have origns
I meant Laughingstock my bad.
Buu is still alive with the Kis inside
inaccurate from the very first sentence the first kai we meet is king kai and supreme kai was met PRIOR to db super. Infact several kai's were. Including the bad ass hippy that was the grand kai. (Pican vs Goku anyone?)
Apparently West Kai is the mother of Freeza.
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that's a fan manga
From aot aswell there's old kai supreme kai King kai North kai East kai South kai West kai and *eren yeager* TATAKAI
Fun fact : read the new arc you will get all the answers for universe 7 kaioshins !
I read it and there isn't an answer
Where is grand Kai ?? Or is he non canon
Shin should of been creating planets. He didn't do his job
I guarantee it’s because Toriyama forgot
this has bothered me for so long
Toriyama Forgot
We literally know all of them north south west Supreme Kai we're all killed by Majin Buu Kid Buu at that and Grand Supreme Kai was exorb along with I believe it to be one other car or at least you thought of exhorting one other Supreme Kai but never happened because you became fat boo and was sealed away
Cuz akira prob dont remember crap no more lol
Man, why couldn't Buu have bodied Shin and let us have the chick Kai instead.
West kaioshin is not dead she is evil now in dbaf
This is why the one piece has the most detailed and more foreshadowing anime of all time. Youve realize everything while watching every arc.
Bobity is a clone