Oh this is so hardcore stuff. I can't find a better word. And I'm not talking about pooping in a bag, but the whole of it: Sleeping on a cliff, packing up, climbing the wall. Just wow! I'm not sure if watching this is more inspiring or intimidating.
Would be nice to have one episode in this series about the epics and close epics people had. You could talk about how it was caused, how to prevent them and what your solution was (if there was one). Other people could also tell their storys if they want. I think this would be an interesting and funny video Nice video btw 👍
"Yours" and "mine" is a way way better verbal cue for gear hand offs. There is an obvious direction the gear is going. I have on more then one occasion seen two people both say "got it" and then both drop the gear. "Take" and "taking" are too close together sounding to be clear in a loud, windy, emergency, fast, etc. situation in my opinion.
Iv always done it where the person giving holds onto the item and never let's go, the person taking it has to pull it out of the others hand. So no one ever let's go of anything. But I'm on ladders, not on big walls, so I'd probably want to throw in a verbal system on top of that if I could be completely fucked if I dropped something.
@HowNOT2 pro tip… bring a little travel sprayer of odo-ban, great for shoe odor as it really kills the germs that cause the odor not just covers them up. Guess what else, if you spray it into your poop bag before sealing you won’t have to smell it so much either.
For best results, leave the bag slightly open and a little bit hanging out of the "vault". It's like having a bread crumb trail to your location for any rescue operations.
Gatorade 1 gal bottle for 💩 tube. I gallon zip lock with a bit of kitty litter and detergent pre loaded. Poo in bag and burrito it up to insert in the large mouth empty Gatorade bottle. I carry my spare duct tape on this bottle to hide the fermenting shit inside. Each partner gets their own and carries their own off. The heavy duty plastic keeps the smell inside...until you make another deposit, but at least its your own and not a team conglomerate scent.
Some notes as watching. You guys say "Take" We've always said "Got" and literally make the other person pull things out of our hands. Not a crazy strong grip on what we're holding on to... but. Just enough that they have to slightly wrench it away.
Hello, love your content. Can you do testing on the strength of different branch unions, like what an arborist would tie into? The rule of thumb is nothing thinner than your wrist, but I want data! Maybe you could do different angles and distance from the branch union too. Thanks for even reading this!
Are you sure it's safe to drill into the portaledge? My gut instinct (as an engineer) tells me that may seriously compromise the strength of that beam, pipe or whatever its called. Though that would actually be a great thing to test, if only they weren't so expensive...
would a small 1/4" hole at the connection compromise it? It seems like that is how everything is attached. The bar reinforces it right at the weakest point anyways. That could be a hard test to determine something conclusive.
@@HowNOT2 I agree, that would be hard to test, however I have an idea. Now, let me verbosely explain my point. So you are right, the bar will reduce bending stress in the strut. However, there is no 'hard' connection between them, as can be seen in the setup video you included, there the whole ledge twists around itself. So imagine two people are sitting (or god forbind jumping) on opposite corners of the ledge. This would try to turn one of the long bars one way and the other one against it. The 1/4" bolt would try to prevent that and therefore create stress within the wall of the strut, with quite a lot of leverage. Despite the bar taking stress off, the middle of the strut is still one of the places that sees the most stress. Now combined with the stress in the wall, that could well have unforseen consequences, since the part wasn't designed with that in mind and probably not tested for it. Also, the way a hollow pipe fails is not by bending or breaking but rather by folding in on itself, which instantly leads to a massive loss of strength of the cross-section. So it is - kind of - comparable to breaking like glass. When you cut glass and bend it, it's gonna break exactly at the place of the cut. Much in the same way, the pipe will most likely collapse at the point where he hole is. Although the latter part is a bit conjectural. Now you said, that's how everything is attached, but the ends of the strut don't see much bending stress and even if one of those bolts were to damage the whole it's in, it wouldn't do much to the stability of the ledge in general. So in conclusion, if you bolt in the bar, stress on opposite corners should be the worst case scenario. And that may be a place to start in a possible test.
Thanks for all the good videos. I have never big wall climbed before but i think ive watched enough of these videos to be super good enough. Going to el cap in 2 weeks to go solo. Wish me luck
That was just filler for the bag. You take a hammock on a wall if you want to learn how bad ass the climbers in the 70s were but otherwise you just take a ledge.
@@bryana7163 that can't be it. There's no way You're mashing your shit into a 1inch opening 2litree at 1k feet up. They gotta be cutting open that bottle or using a different one and the was a joke.
Personally I'd need a nice nalgine size opening or shit in a bag and store on a nalgine destination for poo only. Please feel free to add solutions. This is a big deal for me on the wall now that I'm going for bigger climbs
@@alexthomas2953 yea, I don't know,. I've done hiking and indoor rock climbing, and mountain biking that's it. I was just curious on how people set that stuff up while hanging on a rope, its quite the challenge.
To clarify: You go to the bathroom in the wag bag and then you cut the 2 liter water bottle open like a pac man and put the wag bag inside it that way. Then tape it shut. You can usually fit a couple used bag in said bottle.
I don't climb. I've never climbed (carnival walls excluded). I'm scared of heights from a fall I took 7 years ago. Why have I watched almost all of your videos?!?
I just always took my shoes off and kept them in the bottom of my sleeping bag😂 the only way the shoes fall. Is if my sleeping bag falls, and if that happens I've got bigger problems than shoes😅 and I've got packs of "dude wipes" everywhere 😅😅 both the wife and I love the "Shea butter" dude wipes💚💚💚but we both sort of "fast" before a massive climb so we are much less likely to have to go #2 and eat properly while climbing but we try to go climb off and let the other person have the platform to get situated, especially with her being a woman, she can't stand " even after 17yrs" thst I know she poops😅😅😅 me on the other hand 😂I could care less who sees. If they dont like what they see. They shouldn't look😅😅😅 but also from being an arborist for about 10yrs I use my monkeybeaver saddle to hobby climb as I'm so familiar with it and I have all the accessories lile the water bottle pouch and phone pouch and etc, so I'm used to the weight and it doesn't get in my way.. I have a small lightweight saddle but I just don't like either of them and they both are high end
So whats the cost to aid climb? Lol. Good lord no wonder why everyone lives out of their vans.. 😂 idk how you can sleep on a "ledge" i would be tripping out. Got me anxious just watching.
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Sleeping on a cliff is fun. Until....you experience a rodeo ;)
Oh this is so hardcore stuff. I can't find a better word. And I'm not talking about pooping in a bag, but the whole of it: Sleeping on a cliff, packing up, climbing the wall. Just wow! I'm not sure if watching this is more inspiring or intimidating.
Would be nice to have one episode in this series about the epics and close epics people had. You could talk about how it was caused, how to prevent them and what your solution was (if there was one). Other people could also tell their storys if they want.
I think this would be an interesting and funny video
Nice video btw 👍
Good idea. We include quite a few in the rappelling episode coming in a few weeks.
Useful info for when I never ever under any circumstances do this.
for the first time i truly understand the apeal of free soloing ... the gear logistics of it all 🙈
They miss the best part, chilling on the portaledge
I’ve been on $1m tour buses where you also have to shit in a bag if not near a gas station.
That's because they want to dump their waste tank on the side of the interstate.
"Yours" and "mine" is a way way better verbal cue for gear hand offs. There is an obvious direction the gear is going. I have on more then one occasion seen two people both say "got it" and then both drop the gear. "Take" and "taking" are too close together sounding to be clear in a loud, windy, emergency, fast, etc. situation in my opinion.
Iv always done it where the person giving holds onto the item and never let's go, the person taking it has to pull it out of the others hand. So no one ever let's go of anything.
But I'm on ladders, not on big walls, so I'd probably want to throw in a verbal system on top of that if I could be completely fucked if I dropped something.
If you watch parts with no sound, like ready to pack, it looks kinda like the old silent comedy films haha
@HowNOT2 pro tip… bring a little travel sprayer of odo-ban, great for shoe odor as it really kills the germs that cause the odor not just covers them up. Guess what else, if you spray it into your poop bag before sealing you won’t have to smell it so much either.
before this lesson I need the how not to have a heart attack on the wall lesson
How do you put poop into the “vault” ? Does entire bag you went in get shoved into the “vault” ?
For best results, leave the bag slightly open and a little bit hanging out of the "vault". It's like having a bread crumb trail to your location for any rescue operations.
Gatorade 1 gal bottle for 💩 tube. I gallon zip lock with a bit of kitty litter and detergent pre loaded. Poo in bag and burrito it up to insert in the large mouth empty Gatorade bottle. I carry my spare duct tape on this bottle to hide the fermenting shit inside. Each partner gets their own and carries their own off. The heavy duty plastic keeps the smell inside...until you make another deposit, but at least its your own and not a team conglomerate scent.
The humour is off the charts on this one 🤙😂
It's here! Let's go!!!!! I live for this series.😎❣
Some notes as watching. You guys say "Take" We've always said "Got" and literally make the other person pull things out of our hands. Not a crazy strong grip on what we're holding on to... but. Just enough that they have to slightly wrench it away.
Very nice simulation place. There should be courses like that
Must have missed something. How does the poop get in the 2 liter bottle?
Hello, love your content. Can you do testing on the strength of different branch unions, like what an arborist would tie into?
The rule of thumb is nothing thinner than your wrist, but I want data!
Maybe you could do different angles and distance from the branch union too.
Thanks for even reading this!
Sounds more like a rule of wrist! nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk.
You want him to do destructive testing on a living tree...? Yeah, that's never going to happen.
Dude, I love the skits. This guy's is awesome!
Are you sure it's safe to drill into the portaledge? My gut instinct (as an engineer) tells me that may seriously compromise the strength of that beam, pipe or whatever its called. Though that would actually be a great thing to test, if only they weren't so expensive...
would a small 1/4" hole at the connection compromise it? It seems like that is how everything is attached. The bar reinforces it right at the weakest point anyways. That could be a hard test to determine something conclusive.
@@HowNOT2 I agree, that would be hard to test, however I have an idea. Now, let me verbosely explain my point. So you are right, the bar will reduce bending stress in the strut. However, there is no 'hard' connection between them, as can be seen in the setup video you included, there the whole ledge twists around itself. So imagine two people are sitting (or god forbind jumping) on opposite corners of the ledge. This would try to turn one of the long bars one way and the other one against it. The 1/4" bolt would try to prevent that and therefore create stress within the wall of the strut, with quite a lot of leverage. Despite the bar taking stress off, the middle of the strut is still one of the places that sees the most stress. Now combined with the stress in the wall, that could well have unforseen consequences, since the part wasn't designed with that in mind and probably not tested for it. Also, the way a hollow pipe fails is not by bending or breaking but rather by folding in on itself, which instantly leads to a massive loss of strength of the cross-section. So it is - kind of - comparable to breaking like glass. When you cut glass and bend it, it's gonna break exactly at the place of the cut. Much in the same way, the pipe will most likely collapse at the point where he hole is. Although the latter part is a bit conjectural. Now you said, that's how everything is attached, but the ends of the strut don't see much bending stress and even if one of those bolts were to damage the whole it's in, it wouldn't do much to the stability of the ledge in general.
So in conclusion, if you bolt in the bar, stress on opposite corners should be the worst case scenario. And that may be a place to start in a possible test.
@@TheS4ndm4n Are you trying to whip off your portaledge? It's just a glorified hammock.
The last bit with the linescale made me laugh out so loud :-)
Thanks for all the good videos. I have never big wall climbed before but i think ive watched enough of these videos to be super good enough. Going to el cap in 2 weeks to go solo. Wish me luck
I see I see said the blind man pissing in the wind. It's all coming back to me now.
call the bottle Little Boy or Fat Man, according to the disaster it would cause if you dropped it.
how was the weather on this big wall?
Hey, thanks for the series! Do you always use the pro traxion to haul? How much better is it compared to the micro traxion?
GREAT info, guys. Many thanks.
call the poop tube the "animal deterrent"
Why do you have the hammock with you? Portaledge alternative?
That was just filler for the bag. You take a hammock on a wall if you want to learn how bad ass the climbers in the 70s were but otherwise you just take a ledge.
New parents, when your kids refuses to go to the bathroom before a long trip, THIS is their future.
so wait how are you pooping into that 2 liter? like no way is that opening large enough. did i miss some modification?
I guess they funnel it with the bag?
@@bryana7163 that can't be it. There's no way You're mashing your shit into a 1inch opening 2litree at 1k feet up. They gotta be cutting open that bottle or using a different one and the was a joke.
Personally I'd need a nice nalgine size opening or shit in a bag and store on a nalgine destination for poo only. Please feel free to add solutions. This is a big deal for me on the wall now that I'm going for bigger climbs
@@alexthomas2953 yea, I don't know,. I've done hiking and indoor rock climbing, and mountain biking that's it. I was just curious on how people set that stuff up while hanging on a rope, its quite the challenge.
To clarify:
You go to the bathroom in the wag bag and then you cut the 2 liter water bottle open like a pac man and put the wag bag inside it that way. Then tape it shut. You can usually fit a couple used bag in said bottle.
What is the taco hammock?
I think having to shit in a bag and then somehow get it into a 2 liter bottle is a sign that whatever you're doing just shouldn't be done!
just say you're boring
Have fun on your couch!!
Honestly, glad another person won’t be on my next big wall…😂
@@sicanadyseriously though how do they get it inside the 2 liter ?
dude I would fill that poop tube in a day or two max easily
I’d be so scared of unclipping myself in my sleepZ
What about the pee when you poop? 🤣
Pee first separate probably
Why would this even be necessary? Are you climbing a 3 mile wall? Starting your climb at sunset?
Some really difficult big wall climbs reasonably take (a lot) more than a week to climb.
Because El Cap is Grade VI.
I don't climb. I've never climbed (carnival walls excluded). I'm scared of heights from a fall I took 7 years ago. Why have I watched almost all of your videos?!?
Pssshhhhh, don't tell me how to poop in a bag
how do you poop into a 2 litre?
Carefully
Wow, that was fast
[I would prefer Ryan not look at me while he sh*ts]
I just always took my shoes off and kept them in the bottom of my sleeping bag😂 the only way the shoes fall. Is if my sleeping bag falls, and if that happens I've got bigger problems than shoes😅 and I've got packs of "dude wipes" everywhere 😅😅 both the wife and I love the "Shea butter" dude wipes💚💚💚but we both sort of "fast" before a massive climb so we are much less likely to have to go #2 and eat properly while climbing but we try to go climb off and let the other person have the platform to get situated, especially with her being a woman, she can't stand " even after 17yrs" thst I know she poops😅😅😅 me on the other hand 😂I could care less who sees. If they dont like what they see. They shouldn't look😅😅😅 but also from being an arborist for about 10yrs I use my monkeybeaver saddle to hobby climb as I'm so familiar with it and I have all the accessories lile the water bottle pouch and phone pouch and etc, so I'm used to the weight and it doesn't get in my way.. I have a small lightweight saddle but I just don't like either of them and they both are high end
What is a plastic beg? Is that a climbing term? 😂
and if you forget your poop bag? its going to fly isnt it ?
friends who climb together poop together...
Have you ever encountered people banging on a big wall ledge lol??
My friends have :)
@@HowNOT2 haha, hopefully it was in the first night on the wall cause I bet that would get kinda gross lol
@@Sirmellowman Day 3 is where all the flavor is.
I don't understand how to poop in a pop bottle.
So whats the cost to aid climb? Lol. Good lord no wonder why everyone lives out of their vans.. 😂 idk how you can sleep on a "ledge" i would be tripping out. Got me anxious just watching.
The Porta John
I call my poop tubes turd birds
I like "the nuclear football".
wet wipe superiority
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It's like you're talking to children. We're adults bro
Thank you thank you. So informative.