I am 75+ years of age and I just heard about this process on this very day. Both my wife and I have seen beloved friends and family members suffer for months on end and we have vowed not to go down that miserable road during our final days. VSED is definitely a topic we will investigate further so thank you for sharing this information with us.
I'm curious about this too. I don't even mean in a morbid or dark way, it just seems like a really peaceful and dignified way to die. So many people commit suicide in disturbing ways, if this were to be doable from home it's such a better option than all the disturbing and morbid choices out there, not to mention so many methods fail and leave the individual in a worse state for life.
I agree with you Michael, this seems like one of the best ways to die if someone has already made the decision. Too bad most people resort to far more gruesome or far more painful methods.
In re-reading my husband's Advanced Directive, I'm concerned that maybe we're not totally honoring his wishes. He stopped eating several days ago, and is being given limited water via syringe. However, he is also on onygen to ease his breathing. Please advise. Thank you.
VSED can be done without medication, although the participant might be very uncomfortable. Generally speaking, VSED itself is not "painful," and reports of pain typically come from other disease progression at end-of-life. So, if you have end-stage renal disease and you're participating in VSED, the pain you'd feel would be from the disease, not VSED.
I just want to say how much I hate the 6-month bullshit! Does anyone have any fucking clue with that even means? You know what it says to people who may have some treatments that will extend their life past 6 months. It says if it's really that bad then do it yourself. Do you have any fucking clue how cold that is. When you're inside feel like they're burning and you're shitting blood constantly because of your illness. But because it won't kill you in 6 months you don't get any help dying. No comfort no nothing. While I was hopeful I did everything I could to extend my life and well-being and now I pay for it!!!??? I have ulcerative colitis and have tried so many treatments and I'm just done with it all. I've had a treatment that works but like all treatments with this illness ...it stops working... Then you have to restart the whole fucking process again trying to find something that works. The first time it took 2 and a half years! It's been another two and a half years and I still haven't found another medication and I'm just done! But because it's not going to technically kill me in 6 months and instead will take years to slowly destroy my insides..... I just have to suffer dying alone ...with no help. I can't even tell my family because It's illegal to do what I'm doing. Deciding to die is somehow illegal. A parent has a right to choose whether or not to have a child but I don't have the right to choose to end my own life. What the hell is that!!!??? It really makes me wonder why I tried so hard in the beginning wanting to live and did everything I was supposed to only to have to pay for it later! Because I had such will to survive and wouldn't give up ...now I'm being forced into even more hell! I thought it would be over once I got better but I realized it was an endless cycle that I wanted no more part of. Find a medication that works and then have your immune system beat it only to be right back to the same spot! That's my life and that's what I have to live with If I wanted to live. But instead I want to choose peace and to do that I have to do it all alone with no help. Had I had no will to begin with and just let my disease do what it did I would have died a while ago. Hell I was literally in the hospital and told that if I didn't come in and was a few hours later I probably would not be alive or recoverable. Oh how I wish I never went to the hospital that day! Had I just never went in I wouldn't have to be living with this anymore!!!
I also have UC. I got sick as a pre teen and have had lots of surgeries. I have always struggled with feeling I shouldnt have had any treatment in the first place if my body wanted to kill me. Im not sure how I feel about living. I just keep on going, I have lots of hobbies, and a dog who needs me. Daily living is a struggle, especially without good healthcare and an asshole of a consultant, im just managing. I know your pain. Its like a prolonged death. For you, you still have options. Its a heavily researched area. You will have something that manages your symptoms, or even cures, one day.
@Chriscraft Thank you for sharing such raw honesty. I hope by now you have been able to talk w a team that gives you better options and honors your wishes. You are right in your views on end of life suffering. You have the right to comfort and having your wishes honored.
@@pjgarret7653 thanks so much for your kind words and understanding. Unfortunately though I haven't found anything better because I don't live in a place where assisted suicide is a thing for me. And I really don't want to fight for years just so I can die medically. The type of state that I'm in there's no way that I would be able to make any money let alone make enough to leave this place and find somewhere where it's legal without a 6 months death sentence. I was trying to end it through starvation but somehow I'm too weak to even do that right. I was going strong for a good two and a half weeks and some things happen to some of my family members with loss and I just felt like I couldn't do it to them. I wish I could just talk to them and tell them but if I have any chance of doing what I want to do I'm going to need to keep silent and do it on my own. I want to start again but I also really don't want to leave my family with no warning. I just hate how this world works and how limited and useless I always feel. Like a burden to them because they have to support me completely financially and if I died via suicide unannounced it would kill them too. I just want all my joint muscle and internal organs to do what they're supposed to do and stop causing me so much pain and I could just get on with my life but that's just not possible. No matter how hard I try or what doctors I see it's all the same. Find a medication and have it fail on me and restart repeatedly. Forever. I'm not sure if I'm going to have the strength to end it for my family sake but for my own sake it's the only thing that will bring me any physical peace meanwhile destroying my family. And while I was slowly starving through those few weeks it was the happiest I was in years. But then the gut-wrenching feeling of thinking about and knowing what it's going to do to my family. I'm sorry I don't mean to lay this all out to you but I just don't have anyone to talk to and I feel like I'm going to die just from the feeling alone of all of this agony. I don't want a normal life I just want something that's livable. Something that somebody else would see and say Not that they envy it but that it was a good run and that if they had to live my life; that all in all it was worth it. And maybe it could be worth it overall on my deathbed but really that's just me forgetting everything in my last moments just so I can pretend feel peace before I finally go. I know that's a jaded way to look at it and that a lot of people when they die they say it was all worth it and all of that but I have a hard time believing it with some people. And I wonder if that's just what they're doing. Just remembering all the good and forgetting the vast majority of the bad which was the majority of their life... Of my life. I would never hurt anyone or do anything to anybody but I have to say. I understand why there are so many people who shoot up places and just want to watch the world burn. It's because there's no real way out and some people are just in so much pain that because of that. They act out in horrific ways. Trying to extend the pain that they feel to others in any way they can in a desperate attempt to heal themselves. It's an awful reality but that's the truth. Creatures can only take so much before they lash out and try to hurt someone. Part of it I think might be the sort of rudimentary self-preservation. If you know you're under threat all the time but don't know how to attack what it is that's actually causing you pain. And so you see anything around you as a threat. When you feel vulnerable and weak and then there are those around you. you fear what might happen in your weekend state. Whether that be mental or physical pain causing weakness. Really at the end of the day it's all the same. If your physical body is whipped hard enough for long enough it will cause immense mental pain. unfortunately I have been through that too when I was raped repeatedly as a child. Hell it could even stem from that for all I know. If your brain is constantly in agony and hating everything around you sometimes it can even become physical pain too. It's all directly connected by nerves and those signals aren't shy about traveling around. Eventually you reach a state where your whole body is in pain including your mind and there's nothing left to attack internally or even look internally for something to fight. Eventually the mind puts it on the outside and says the threat must be out there. Because it's unknowable internally. And even if you do know what happened to you like I remembered... You still can't change the past and so there's really nothing to fight. Only pretending to cope on the inside while really you're nothing but burned dust in the inside. Then once those people realize that those people hurt people out of a deep seated need to just feel Like they have a place and comfortable or at the very least not in so much pain. The literal monster that lives in my head I know is capable of it. I was literally trained through agony by my rapists And it split me into so many pieces. Starting out When I was whole I was incredibly empathetic of everyone around me. Then I was forced to do things. One of them liked pain and I'm pretty sure he was put in the same position I was but the rest of the people involved. Like some twisted game where the person before you gives you footnotes. There's no way he wasn't raped by them too and then develop Stockholm like I did. And became part of it doing it to me. Being so caring and then being tortured into torturing another will rip anyone apart. I let my alts be created because it was easier than facing it all alone. So I made up some other personalities without realizing it and now there their own entity that try to take control from me. To reenact what they've done to me and some just want to run away but are too scared to Because they're afraid the rapists will somehow hurt them again and teach them why they shouldn't leave. These are part of me I've always pushed down and tried to keep in control and not let her hurt anyone. I'm nearly certain that everyone who's been through similar things that I've been through has this type of demon within them. Someone that they hide from the world and even themselves. To be through what I've gone through and then to have this evil life sucking parasite in your head fantasize about hurting others the same. It makes me sick the things she thinks of. Multiple personality disorders a bitch and it feels like there's no way out other than to shove her down and keep myself on the surface. But to do that I have to experience all of my life and do things and keep in control or I'll be mentally in prison like I do to her and she will do as she pleases. I can't do that to the world and I can't live in another prison either. But then my body becomes my prison even if I'm in control. Pain like this just tears you apart in every way. I'm not sure if my illness was caused by what happened as a child because I blocked it out but I severely wonder if having all that bound away from me created a pressure that imbalanced me and my whole body in the process. Revealing itself is this disease. I mean my immune system literally attacks itself. If that isn't self-hating I don't know what is 😂. Sorry it's just kind of funny to me because maybe in a way my whole body became suicidal before I was mentally even aware what was going on. I just don't know and don't know what to do. I just know that if I give up I can't check out mentally. That I have to hold on to the wheel at least long enough to steer it into a lake or not at all because she will take over otherwise. What a world we live in huh
I don't know if I want to hug or slap you 😅 seriously sweetheart, please calm down. Have you tried to a psychiatrist? Even before my cancer diagnosis, I had lupus then MS, and been a t1 diabetic since I was 9. So I can say, I have been where you are. Especially as a woman with pain trying to get relief from doctors. Even as a former nurse, doctors look at me like I am a drug-seeking piece of trash. I believe they would have found my already stage 3 cancer if they had taken my pain seriously. After getting diagnosed with ovarian cancer, I realized I had so many symptoms. The bowel problems, the pain and nausea. They just assumed it was my menstrual cycles. Even though I had never had many problems with it. Then they said it was my medication. It wasn't until my ovary twisted and I had to have emergency surgery that they finally listened to me. I'm sorry you have to live like that. No one should be made to suffer. That is why I am also looking for ways to bring death closer. I pray that you can find a treatment to help you. 🙏🏻
@@CaptainRScott Are you still considering this? Are you terminally ill or is it mental illness? I find the subject and method fascinating. It seems like the most dignified and peaceful way to die I have come across.
Good luck (if you are still alive), I will do this myself, but once I am much older. Still too young to die, but I also don't want to live to an age where I might be a husk of my former self.
I tried so many times but I never succeed.Once I did not eat for 20 days ,and still stayed the same.The only thing I have got in the end is a little fever and small a weakness.
I sincerely hope you are terminal and not just depressed. Please speak to a psychiatrist. Even as a terminally ill person, I went to a psychiatrist to make sure I wasn't just depressed. Turns out I was. Help is out there! Don't give up!!
I am 75+ years of age and I just heard about this process on this very day. Both my wife and I have seen beloved friends and family members suffer for months on end and we have vowed not to go down that miserable road during our final days. VSED is definitely a topic we will investigate further so thank you for sharing this information with us.
I find this beautiful ❤ please take care of each other
@@jrmckim Thank you and the same for you... kind regards...
Will this work for a younger person that is just suffering mental illness, can I do this from home?
Checking in to see if you're OK. I care.
Mentall illnes can be heal... Just seek help.
@@bbudimanalqodri not mine no
I'm curious about this too. I don't even mean in a morbid or dark way, it just seems like a really peaceful and dignified way to die. So many people commit suicide in disturbing ways, if this were to be doable from home it's such a better option than all the disturbing and morbid choices out there, not to mention so many methods fail and leave the individual in a worse state for life.
I agree with you Michael, this seems like one of the best ways to die if someone has already made the decision. Too bad most people resort to far more gruesome or far more painful methods.
In re-reading my husband's Advanced Directive, I'm concerned that maybe we're not totally honoring his wishes. He stopped eating several days ago, and is being given limited water via syringe. However, he is also on onygen to ease his breathing. Please advise. Thank you.
I hope you received a reply
Can VSED be done without medication? Would it be physically painful?
VSED can be done without medication, although the participant might be very uncomfortable. Generally speaking, VSED itself is not "painful," and reports of pain typically come from other disease progression at end-of-life. So, if you have end-stage renal disease and you're participating in VSED, the pain you'd feel would be from the disease, not VSED.
I just want to say how much I hate the 6-month bullshit! Does anyone have any fucking clue with that even means? You know what it says to people who may have some treatments that will extend their life past 6 months. It says if it's really that bad then do it yourself. Do you have any fucking clue how cold that is. When you're inside feel like they're burning and you're shitting blood constantly because of your illness. But because it won't kill you in 6 months you don't get any help dying. No comfort no nothing. While I was hopeful I did everything I could to extend my life and well-being and now I pay for it!!!??? I have ulcerative colitis and have tried so many treatments and I'm just done with it all. I've had a treatment that works but like all treatments with this illness ...it stops working... Then you have to restart the whole fucking process again trying to find something that works. The first time it took 2 and a half years! It's been another two and a half years and I still haven't found another medication and I'm just done! But because it's not going to technically kill me in 6 months and instead will take years to slowly destroy my insides..... I just have to suffer dying alone ...with no help. I can't even tell my family because It's illegal to do what I'm doing. Deciding to die is somehow illegal. A parent has a right to choose whether or not to have a child but I don't have the right to choose to end my own life. What the hell is that!!!???
It really makes me wonder why I tried so hard in the beginning wanting to live and did everything I was supposed to only to have to pay for it later! Because I had such will to survive and wouldn't give up ...now I'm being forced into even more hell! I thought it would be over once I got better but I realized it was an endless cycle that I wanted no more part of. Find a medication that works and then have your immune system beat it only to be right back to the same spot! That's my life and that's what I have to live with If I wanted to live. But instead I want to choose peace and to do that I have to do it all alone with no help. Had I had no will to begin with and just let my disease do what it did I would have died a while ago. Hell I was literally in the hospital and told that if I didn't come in and was a few hours later I probably would not be alive or recoverable. Oh how I wish I never went to the hospital that day! Had I just never went in I wouldn't have to be living with this anymore!!!
I also have UC. I got sick as a pre teen and have had lots of surgeries. I have always struggled with feeling I shouldnt have had any treatment in the first place if my body wanted to kill me. Im not sure how I feel about living. I just keep on going, I have lots of hobbies, and a dog who needs me. Daily living is a struggle, especially without good healthcare and an asshole of a consultant, im just managing.
I know your pain.
Its like a prolonged death.
For you, you still have options. Its a heavily researched area. You will have something that manages your symptoms, or even cures, one day.
@Chriscraft Thank you for sharing such raw honesty. I hope by now you have been able to talk w a team that gives you better options and honors your wishes. You are right in your views on end of life suffering. You have the right to comfort and having your wishes honored.
@@pjgarret7653 thanks so much for your kind words and understanding. Unfortunately though I haven't found anything better because I don't live in a place where assisted suicide is a thing for me. And I really don't want to fight for years just so I can die medically. The type of state that I'm in there's no way that I would be able to make any money let alone make enough to leave this place and find somewhere where it's legal without a 6 months death sentence. I was trying to end it through starvation but somehow I'm too weak to even do that right. I was going strong for a good two and a half weeks and some things happen to some of my family members with loss and I just felt like I couldn't do it to them. I wish I could just talk to them and tell them but if I have any chance of doing what I want to do I'm going to need to keep silent and do it on my own. I want to start again but I also really don't want to leave my family with no warning. I just hate how this world works and how limited and useless I always feel. Like a burden to them because they have to support me completely financially and if I died via suicide unannounced it would kill them too. I just want all my joint muscle and internal organs to do what they're supposed to do and stop causing me so much pain and I could just get on with my life but that's just not possible. No matter how hard I try or what doctors I see it's all the same. Find a medication and have it fail on me and restart repeatedly. Forever. I'm not sure if I'm going to have the strength to end it for my family sake but for my own sake it's the only thing that will bring me any physical peace meanwhile destroying my family. And while I was slowly starving through those few weeks it was the happiest I was in years. But then the gut-wrenching feeling of thinking about and knowing what it's going to do to my family. I'm sorry I don't mean to lay this all out to you but I just don't have anyone to talk to and I feel like I'm going to die just from the feeling alone of all of this agony. I don't want a normal life I just want something that's livable. Something that somebody else would see and say Not that they envy it but that it was a good run and that if they had to live my life; that all in all it was worth it. And maybe it could be worth it overall on my deathbed but really that's just me forgetting everything in my last moments just so I can pretend feel peace before I finally go. I know that's a jaded way to look at it and that a lot of people when they die they say it was all worth it and all of that but I have a hard time believing it with some people. And I wonder if that's just what they're doing. Just remembering all the good and forgetting the vast majority of the bad which was the majority of their life... Of my life. I would never hurt anyone or do anything to anybody but I have to say. I understand why there are so many people who shoot up places and just want to watch the world burn. It's because there's no real way out and some people are just in so much pain that because of that. They act out in horrific ways. Trying to extend the pain that they feel to others in any way they can in a desperate attempt to heal themselves. It's an awful reality but that's the truth. Creatures can only take so much before they lash out and try to hurt someone. Part of it I think might be the sort of rudimentary self-preservation. If you know you're under threat all the time but don't know how to attack what it is that's actually causing you pain. And so you see anything around you as a threat. When you feel vulnerable and weak and then there are those around you. you fear what might happen in your weekend state. Whether that be mental or physical pain causing weakness. Really at the end of the day it's all the same. If your physical body is whipped hard enough for long enough it will cause immense mental pain. unfortunately I have been through that too when I was raped repeatedly as a child. Hell it could even stem from that for all I know. If your brain is constantly in agony and hating everything around you sometimes it can even become physical pain too. It's all directly connected by nerves and those signals aren't shy about traveling around. Eventually you reach a state where your whole body is in pain including your mind and there's nothing left to attack internally or even look internally for something to fight. Eventually the mind puts it on the outside and says the threat must be out there. Because it's unknowable internally. And even if you do know what happened to you like I remembered... You still can't change the past and so there's really nothing to fight. Only pretending to cope on the inside while really you're nothing but burned dust in the inside. Then once those people realize that those people hurt people out of a deep seated need to just feel Like they have a place and comfortable or at the very least not in so much pain. The literal monster that lives in my head I know is capable of it. I was literally trained through agony by my rapists And it split me into so many pieces. Starting out When I was whole I was incredibly empathetic of everyone around me. Then I was forced to do things. One of them liked pain and I'm pretty sure he was put in the same position I was but the rest of the people involved. Like some twisted game where the person before you gives you footnotes. There's no way he wasn't raped by them too and then develop Stockholm like I did. And became part of it doing it to me. Being so caring and then being tortured into torturing another will rip anyone apart. I let my alts be created because it was easier than facing it all alone. So I made up some other personalities without realizing it and now there their own entity that try to take control from me. To reenact what they've done to me and some just want to run away but are too scared to Because they're afraid the rapists will somehow hurt them again and teach them why they shouldn't leave. These are part of me I've always pushed down and tried to keep in control and not let her hurt anyone. I'm nearly certain that everyone who's been through similar things that I've been through has this type of demon within them. Someone that they hide from the world and even themselves. To be through what I've gone through and then to have this evil life sucking parasite in your head fantasize about hurting others the same. It makes me sick the things she thinks of. Multiple personality disorders a bitch and it feels like there's no way out other than to shove her down and keep myself on the surface. But to do that I have to experience all of my life and do things and keep in control or I'll be mentally in prison like I do to her and she will do as she pleases. I can't do that to the world and I can't live in another prison either. But then my body becomes my prison even if I'm in control. Pain like this just tears you apart in every way. I'm not sure if my illness was caused by what happened as a child because I blocked it out but I severely wonder if having all that bound away from me created a pressure that imbalanced me and my whole body in the process. Revealing itself is this disease. I mean my immune system literally attacks itself. If that isn't self-hating I don't know what is 😂. Sorry it's just kind of funny to me because maybe in a way my whole body became suicidal before I was mentally even aware what was going on. I just don't know and don't know what to do. I just know that if I give up I can't check out mentally. That I have to hold on to the wheel at least long enough to steer it into a lake or not at all because she will take over otherwise. What a world we live in huh
I don't know if I want to hug or slap you 😅 seriously sweetheart, please calm down. Have you tried to a psychiatrist? Even before my cancer diagnosis, I had lupus then MS, and been a t1 diabetic since I was 9. So I can say, I have been where you are. Especially as a woman with pain trying to get relief from doctors. Even as a former nurse, doctors look at me like I am a drug-seeking piece of trash. I believe they would have found my already stage 3 cancer if they had taken my pain seriously. After getting diagnosed with ovarian cancer, I realized I had so many symptoms. The bowel problems, the pain and nausea. They just assumed it was my menstrual cycles. Even though I had never had many problems with it. Then they said it was my medication. It wasn't until my ovary twisted and I had to have emergency surgery that they finally listened to me.
I'm sorry you have to live like that. No one should be made to suffer. That is why I am also looking for ways to bring death closer. I pray that you can find a treatment to help you. 🙏🏻
Hooray that's:qhat im going to do
I'm praying for you. ((Gentle hugs))). Xoxoxo
Thank you. I enjoy aggressive hugs too :))
@@CaptainRScott Are you still considering this? Are you terminally ill or is it mental illness? I find the subject and method fascinating. It seems like the most dignified and peaceful way to die I have come across.
Good luck (if you are still alive), I will do this myself, but once I am much older. Still too young to die, but I also don't want to live to an age where I might be a husk of my former self.
I tried so many times but I never succeed.Once I did not eat for 20 days ,and still stayed the same.The only thing I have got in the end is a little fever and small a weakness.
How long did you go without water? I think just cutting down solid food will not result in death.
I hope you’ll reach out for help. I’m guessing you’re young and depressed. There is an end to depression. Please don’t give up.
I sincerely hope you are terminal and not just depressed. Please speak to a psychiatrist. Even as a terminally ill person, I went to a psychiatrist to make sure I wasn't just depressed. Turns out I was. Help is out there! Don't give up!!
no，vsed not just not eat. vsed is not drink and eat.if you suffer from depression and anxiety please contact the doctor❤