@@peduardoperez2219 legit bro. I get so mad cuz it's like he has an affect on his team with it too. AR, AD, and alot of other players on the lakers flop more now.
Lebron is why i no longer watch Basketball. I was so sickened by it I just see no point in watching when the refs decide more of the game now then the players... and Lebron gets ridiculous game changing calls over and over again.. it's insane...
If crying, traveling, double dribbling, flopping, LeBron played during era of Magic, Bird, Dr J, Karl Malone, and Kareem his career would have ended 10 years ago. There's no "CRYING" in baskeball!!! Lebron is definitely not the GOAT. He doesn't rank in the top 5. He's on the bottom of the Top 10.
Oh man does he travel. Traveling in the NBA is so bad now. I saw wembinyama take three complete steps on a dunk and wasn't called. I mean 3 complete strides. He ran from the top of the key and dunked. No call. I was like WTF.
@@ifade26if I give myself a title it’s because I believe i am worthy of that title that does not mean he is begging anyone else to call him that as well
We don’t work on flopping Sure thing there LeEnglish Premier League. As an aside. I love International Football/Soccer. I can’t stand the constant flopping ruining a great and strategic team game.
The argument that Lebron faced tougher competition in the finals is a moot argument, because MJ made the Bulls the best team in the finals every trip they made to the finals. The reason Lebron is not the GOAT is because he did not sustain dominance on both ends of the court like MJ did, and for as long as MJ did (10 scoring titles and 9 All Defensive FIRST team in a row), on top of NEVER disappearing in the Finals. Lebron can not escape what Dallas did to his super team in Miami. As well as the Spurs. So what, Dallas was a better team than Lebron's created super team?? Y'all need to stop. On the highest stage with the most stakes (the NBA Finals) MJ NEVER disappeared. NEVER! Lebron did. Period. And We don't even hold Lebron's first trip to the finals against the Spurs in 2003 against him.
Just think of the teams Jordan had to beat to get to those Finals. The 92' and 93' Knicks could've beaten the Warriors and the 96' Sonics would beat every team LeBron ever beat in the Finals or ever.
@@NuryPPanaligan you just flat out don't know basketball. Curry can't even deal with Kyrie type defense with no rim protectors, if he had to deal with Starks, Mason, Oakley and Ewing all bumping him and contesting everything, everybody punking Draymond, everybody punking skinny little Durant. Durant is so skinny, half of his offense would be neutralized cuz he wouldn't be able to drive past anybody cuz he's weak
Lebron is just a frontrunner he can't take over and bring a team back very often. When you watched Kobe it always felt like a matter of time til he gets hot and goes on a run. If lebron is playing poorly it feels like it's going to be a blowout because even though he's playing bad, they still running offense through him.
The only reasons he gets his stats this year: - Refs don't call his traveling - Refs don't call his offensive fouls -Refs don't call his flopping -Refs don't give him technical foul when he bitches -Refs award him with free throws when someone even thinks about defending him. -He gives zero f&cks on defense and has become a liability
Don't forget the era. Defensive three in the key means rim-defenders have been legislated out of the game. He is a bad mid-range jump shooter but doesn't have to take that shot because he can put his head down and shoulder to the rim. No one is there to help. In the 80s and 90s, bigger men would rotate to help and would put him down and/or make him shoot free throws. "But Lebron's 'shooting' percentage is good!" Take away the layups/dunks, and it's actually awful. Strangely, however, he shoots a better three than he does a mid-range two. Great passer though. . .but then again, the floor is spread out now, so you don't need to be Magic or Bird to make that pass. He's a pharmaceutical marvel, I think. NBA prefers to mythologize players as a marketing tool instead of the sport itself. Quite sad.
Never been Lebron fan. And this is exactly why. I told my son, back when Lebron was desperately trying to pass Kareem…and he was staying on the court almost the entire game, constantly….I said, “I’ll bet my life, when he finally passes it, he’ll claim he’s hurt and sit on the bench for the next few weeks.” And what do ya know… he did exactly that. Then, miraculously, when the rest of the team started racking up wins and got into playoff contention.. He suddenly got better and started playing again. Lebron is for Lebron… period.
Yeah like every team he's won a championship on coulda done it without him. He could easily play two more seasons. "Desperately" lol. Yeah he barely got that one...2000 pts later.
BS You won't make it to GOAT status avg 13 ppg, no matter how many rings, clutch shots or assists you get. Even rings are a team stat. And if the GOAT debate is close, it is going to incld stats.
Not enough people talk about this. He literally rams into people at full speed or with his elbows flying around and THEY get called for the foul. Amazing.
LeFlop walked his way through the Leastern Conference. My grandma could have rings if she was in the Leastern Conference. Jordan had to go through New York, Miami, Orlando, Indiana. In the west it was even more stacked. Phoenix, San Antonio, Houston, Seattle, all had 60+ wins in their respective seasons, fought each other for the top spot, and later the Lakers and Utah joined in the melee who also had 60+ wins during their time.
Lebron would have had problems with a number of teams during the 80s. Larry Bird would have been more than willing to get in a fistfight with Lebron in Boston. Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn would have made Lebron earns his two points at the charity strip in the Silverdome.
That game Saturday night and the 43-16 free-throw disparity when steph dropped 46 and shot 3 free-throws ans Austin wonder bread reeves shot 9 free-throws on 7 field goal attempts had me getting ptsd flashbacks to the lakers warriors series last year. The lakers are like +300 free throw attempts on the year yet are last in the league at 38 drive attempts per game. Shit is rigged bruh
Tougher competition? Whats harder? Going against the dynasty or being the dynasty year after year after year after year after year …? You get the point
yeah, I didn't get that statement neither. Jordan and the Bulls, never let any other team have a dynasty. While Bron and his multiple teams, never been the dynasty teams.
That was a crazy statement he made. Jordan faced slightly stiffer comp in a much much tougher era of the NBA. I don't think anyone can say this era is tougher than the 90's
Need for attention, drama king, flop king, staying on the floor excessively when he's not really injured that bad, antics with courtside audiences (getting fans ejected), drama, drama, atttention, flop, excessive need for attention, drama and more drama, social justice victim outside of basketball, putting a target on the backs of police officers, a billionaire but still a victim of America . . . IQ of a grade schooler, and on and on. No, NEVER the goat but a number one narcissist!
Both MJ and LBJ played stiff competition in the Finals, averaging about 61 wins each. The reason we don’t hold MJ’s Finals opponents in high regard as we do the Spurs, Warriors, and *gasp* the 2011 Mavs is that Jordan never allowed any Finals opponent the chip. Jordan denied hall-of-famers Ewing, Miller, Barkley, Drexler, Mourning, Payton, Stockton, and Malone championships during his reign. LBJ couldn’t deny Jason Terry one.
@@chrisjowoo83that’s so dumb that’s like saying lebron didn’t stop kobe kg pierce and Tim from winning rings that won’t his era. Lebrons era was full of other champs. One of them bring Jason terry who literally outplayed bron in the 2011 finals and the mavs defensive adjustment for Lebron was jj barea 😂😂 look up the games if u havnt watched lol Jordan literally has zero blemishes on his record while lebron has that along with what 5 other losses in the finals
@@chrisjowoo83and why they were “middling stars” is because Jordan’s denied them championships u don’t think we’d be looking at Clyde differently or Karl Malone and stock if they won chips let alone beat Jordan. No validity to your argument when were talking about hall of famers and nbas own top 75 players
@@chrisjowoo83 Hard disagree, John Stockton and Karl Malone are two of the best players ever. Stockton is at easily the second or third-best point guard of all time because he has the most career assists, is second only to Magic in APG, and lead the league 9 times. He's also 6th in steals per game. Both Stockton and Malone have a higher offensive win share than Shaq, Harden, Durant or Kobe. Malone and Stockton are not the GOAT, but the list of players better than them is extremely short.
Flopping is A reason, not THE reason. His resume doesn't stack with Jordan's or Kareem's. He doesn't pass Jordan or even Kobe or Bird on the eye test. Also, he didn't face tougher Finals competition overall. Facing teams that averaged fewer wins with fewer all-stars. Plus he got crushed by the Spurs and Warriors anyway, going 2-5 against those teams. Also, he does lack "the bag" that Jordan and Kobe had. He has no handle. He is laterally slow and his shot is very stiff and robotic. 90% of his points come on transition dunks, ramming guys in the paint and getting the foul, or chucking low % 3's. He can't adjust his shot in mid-air like Jordan or Kobe. Can't shake an elite wing defender in iso. He relies on picks and mismatches in those situations. He's definitely a top 10 player and maybe even top 5, but for me personally, if I need to win a basketball game to save my life, and get to pick anyone at their peak, I'm taking a lot of guys over LeBron. Jordan, Bird, Kobe, and maybe even guys like Shaq and Duncan.
I agree with all you wrote, but, your arguments also prove that this fool isn't a top 5, 10, or 100 top player, his whole career is just a media created lie.
For me it's a heavy reason, what greatest basketball player would be flopping when no one touches them? I don't think you can be the greatest of you work harder on flopping to get a call than working on a jumpshot to not rely on the refs to bail you out. When lbj came into the league people would say if he worked on his jumpshot he would be unstoppable. Well he never worked on it and at his age with no jumpshot he's pretty incapable of playing within the flow of offense.
Yeah, the eye test he looks like a clumsy oaf and the traveling and double dribble is off the charts and they let him get away with it so much its disgusting. The way Lebron plows through players like a linebacker in football. You have to have speed agility finesse talent and skill and you have to make your shots count by making them when your team needs them most. That is what MJ had done his entire career. That is why HE is the goat and Lebron,, well lebron is a joke and his cult of bronsexuals are just annoying.
About LBJ flopping 7:18 : ".. in fact, he often spends more time on the floor than.. Giannis to finish his free throw routine.." This was Dave Chappelle level comedy gold.
He has faced tough competition (not often), but that’s when he loses. I think about every single year when he had a cake walk through the weak Eastern Conference. His super teams have lost to the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, Suns, and Nuggets.
I agree on all these guys, but let's just look at Bird. In his prime before back injuries, Bird is giving you 28-10-7 on 50-40-90 shooting. He's also hitting those clutch shots and giving 100% on defense, diving for loose balls, etc. This shouldn't be a hot take. Anyone who watched Larry knows. I'd also take Jordan, Kobe and a few others over LeBron. A lot of this comes down to clutch factor and effort, because any top 10 player ever is going to post great stats. Shaq is giving you 28-12-3 plus 3 blocks on 60% shooting. Jordan is giving you 32-6-6 on 51% with elite defense and clutch ability. Kobe is giving you 28-6-5 on 48% with great defense and clutch ability. LeBron is giving you 27-7-7 on 51% with inconsistent defense and avoiding clutch shots. Give me all those dudes over LeBron.
A big reason why Le-Bum and Cleveland came back from a 1 - 3 deficit against the Warriors was the officiating in games 5 thru 7!!! Draymond being suspended for game 5 was ridiculous after Le-Bum stepped over him. That creep Le-Bum has been crying and flopping for 10+ years!
Cleveland would have NEVER EVEN WON THE FINALS,IF IT WERENT FOR KYRE IRVING! HES NOT A GOAT AND NEVER WILL BE,(KOBE-BRYANT) IS AND ALWAYS will be better,than queen-james,Even bein-dead!!!
@@user-dy6eo6fe5xKyrie doesn’t get enough credit for that championship. Warriors could NOT guard him. He easily got most of his points ISO drive to the rim. Bron would get all the switches he wanted on Curry and Ezeli.
The Petty Queen. NBA had to issue a warning to knock off the flopping. What other player has been issued that warning? Not any of the all time greats. Or stretched out on the floor like he’s been shot. And if you’re the all time leader shot’s taken, well it’s no surprise that you’d be the all time leader in scoring, and turn overs. He hasn’t won the regular season MVP since 2012/13 season. There’s nothing that says GOAT when you’re only 4 Chips in 10 finals over a 21/22 yrs in the association. One game separates a 72 / 10 Bulls from the 73 / 9 Warriors. Only 2 more rings you say? How about those 2 three peats? MJ accomplished with the same team. No teaming up with other All stars to try and win a chip. And stats without accomplishments, are just stats. NBA owners are not paying multiple million dollar salaries to see who has the best STATS at the end of the season. Trophies, rings and Chips. There are other reasons why he’s not the GOAT, besides his ridiculous antics on the court.
His FG% is slightly higher than MJ's. In fact MJ shot 3 more times than LeBron per game. LeBron would have 30 ppg like MJ if he shot as much as MJ (bec LB's % is higher).
All the greats picked their spots to play defense as they aged. Lebron can't do the same? Playing lock down defense and being fast to react on offense after 10 years straight of basketball is impossible to sustain.
All the greats? Bill Russell coasted on defense his last 5 or 5 years? Jordan coasted on defense his last 4 or 5 years? Lebron is lazy and entitled. @@digfitness7598
@@digfitness7598 Kyle Kuzma literally PUSHED LeBron to play defense a few years back. Yes, I'll agree that you need to pace yourself and not go nuts every play. I personally don't fault LeBron for that, because he's come up with iconic great defensive plays. To me, why he never passes MJ in my book: * the mere fact that flopping is rewarded is a joke and the refs trip over themselves to reward his flopping * how many times do we need to see him take five steps and not get called for traveling? * he pretty much gets free drives to the basket, because with the new rules, it's simply impossible to defend his power drives without being called for a foul. MJ got his ass handed to him when he drove to the lane * I hear people say all the time that he's played 20 years and MJ never played that long. LEBRON NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE! Back when MJ played, almost no one went straight to the NBA, no matter how good you were. * one of the biggest arguments: you could beat the s**t out of players in the 80s and 90s. It was a much rougher, more physical game. LeBron's scoring average would drop 5ppg if he had to battle Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman and Bill Laimbeer and the Davis Brothers and Oakley and X-Man in the paint. Put MJ in today's soft NBA and he averages 50ppg and plays as many years as he wants.
Lebron faced tougher competition? He went up against 2 of the greatest Dynastic in History? OK he Beat Golden State once. Did he beat SA? Nope. Going up against and losing to is not the same as winning. Jordan played every Championships against the best Teams in the West. The Game was more physical in Jordans Era. Jordan never choked in a finals. Jordan never lost more than 3 games in a row. Jordan never had the type of players around him Lebron had. Jordan had 8 50 point playoff games, most ever. Jordan shot 50% from 3 one season. Jordan is the only player in history to never score less than 15 points in any playoff game. He won both Mvp and Best Defensive player in the same season in an era with with Stockton, Olajuwa, Shaq etc. Lebron has longevity and is the Goat of complaining and flopping. And Jordan was a far superior shooter over Bron.
The greatest leading scorer in history is Michael Jordan: *10x scoring champ and 30.5 ppg.* MJ has in his career 127.5 points per 100 possessions, LBJ 115.0. The point total is determined by the number of seasons and games played. LeBron has 1751 games played and 47866 total points, Michael 1251 games and 38279. If MJ had played 1751 with an average of 30.5 ppg he would have scored about 53405 points.
Probably because he hand picks his teams and teammates mortgages the teams future and leaves the franchise in ruins when he departs. All of this crying and Le GM stuff and still hasnt caught Kobe or Jordan who stayed put through highs and lows. Also Steph has tied him while also staying put and riding out the down seasons instead of crying and going somewhere easier.
How does he mortgage the teams feature? Please explain when he left Miami. They still had Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosch when he left Cleveland he made sure his contract was finished and he was a free agent. It’s not his fault that the owner Dan Gilbert didn’t want to get LeBron any help and spend money to get good free agents You people are idiots and when he left Cleveland for the second time, remember Kyrie left first and LeBron stayed and the end up loosing in the finals to gsw also when he left that team, they still had Kevin Love and a bunch of role players once again not LeBron‘s fault. Remember, they even got Derrick Rose and Dwyane Wade on that team at one point in time and when he went to the Lakers, he got Anthony Davis
@@Enokhathat’s exactly what he should’ve done, especially if he’s “the GOAT” MJ, Kobe and Steph included would’ve made the team around them better at Cleveland, unlike Lebron, who clearly needed to join super Teams like Miami to get his first 2 rings LOL
@@avengerkill809 Miami still was not the most dominant or even top 10 all time with those back to back chips. OKC wasn't close to being a super team, and it took them 7 games to beat a team lead by a 36 way past his prime Duncan, 35 year old Manu and pup in Kawhi. Its ironic that you would say someone doesn't have basketball knowledge with your bad take.....
@@remnant8898 ya gsw bandwagons truly don't know basketball. "A way past his prime Duncan". That year Duncan was first team all NBA, 2nd team all defense. Pup kawhi was a top 10 defender that year, how can I know that well maybe his 2nd team all defensive selection, or dpoy the following season. That spurs team alone had more hall famers than the teams MJ faced in the finals combined. Plus 2012-2013 heat is a top 10 team of all time. Ya RUclipsr kids who started watching yesterday really don't know basketball.
Isnt that a team accomplishment? Why would a single individual get credit for how good his team is? You guys are awfully defensive of/against superteams when it fits your narrative
@@1vaultdweller one moment, people are calling Bron a 4x champ, the next minute when his Finals record is considered, its now a team accomplishment. How about being consistent in your argument?
Because Curry beat him 3 out of 4 times in the Finals? Or because so many other players won Mvps and rings during Lebrons time in the league? Dirk, Kobe, KG, Curry, KD, Jokic, Giannis, Kawhi, Duncan etc
There is a portion of his fanbase that i call the "hater brigade" that has slowly made me resent him over the years. Those fans that respond to any (fair or unfair) criticism by calling someone a hater. They'll often try to dismiss any criticism by saying he's more talented, rich, and successful than you. You have to be a 6 time nba champion to criticize him for flopping. He's a great player, and there are lots of cool lebron fans. Having a different opinion doesnt make you stupid or my enemy. Its not fair to generalize all lebron fans. Its just that obnoxious vocal portion of his fanbase that's made me slowly start resenting him. Partly anyway, there is still all the stuff mentioned in the video.
@jasonwebb5964 I watched some videos on Jordan after you said this. I forgot how much of a monster he was. Lebron just doesn't have that killer instinct like him. As a Mavs fan, I've seen flashes of it in Luka. That playoff series against the Suns, for example. He'll periodically turn it on. Not that i compare Luka to lebron or Jordan. I'm not that delusional. 😂
I’m sorry if it wasn’t for Draymond Green getting suspended the Cavs never would have came back from that 3-1 deficit plus Lebron needed Kyrie to go off.
And let's not forget that just about every analyst in TV believed it should have been a double T and move on. Everybody but Brian "LeBrons best friend" Windhorst.
That’s a work from silver.,he helped lebron..total bias..they suspended dray after game 4 of the finals and the cause were dray kicked the nuts of an okc player during wcf..that’s a made championship
@@dvdv8197 yeah it was the refs that packed your bags in the playoffs and sent you straight to Cancun right 🤣🤣. Let's pretend I didn't see curry getting cooked by the Lakers bench warmers like looney Walker and Austin Reaves. Ya better find a new team to hop on, the bandwagon franchise been over
The points are truly irrelevant since the new modern version of the league doesn't allow defense. These players are a joke compared to the past. No defense, flopping deluxe, whine to refs to kick out fans who hurt their feelings, softest players in the history of basketball. No current players even in the conversation about the GOAT.
@@gtddark232 man these kids are RUclipsrs and tik tokers, they don't know anything about actual basketball. This hoopcut guy still salty about the Lakers spanking the warriors the other day and still crying about it 🤣.
@gtddark232 No I'm old enough to have seen the league before it was gutted defensively. The players now are soft, the previous players shut up hecklers with their play not crying to refs. Also Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc.. didn't want to play with each other, wanted to dominate them. Now just build a super team and play with the players you can't beat. You sir are speaking with limited knowledge.
@@avengerkill809Wait till the tables turn buddy, oh wait might not happen because lebron is the golden boy of the NBA and can do no wrong. He is a saint. Gtfo , what goes around comes around ☝🏽👇🏽 also lebron ain’t gonna let you hit , so there no need to suck him up
At the highest stage with the most stakes (The NBA Finals) Lebron DISAPPEARED against Dallas, and the Spurs. And it was Kyrie that hit the biggest shot in Cleveland Cavs history, not Lebron. So it has nothing to do with his flopping and complaining and always passing the blame on to his teammates that negates him from being the G.O.A.T. (although it adds to it). And let's keep it real ... how many stories do we have of MJ going off on players that talked trash to him, to the point that coaches AND players would ALWAYS tell players that were guarding MJ, NOT to say anything to him. MJ would obliterate Dillon Brooks for talking trash to him. MJ would obliterate the Rockets for the coach talking trash to him. Remember what MJ did to the Knicks because Jeff Van Gundy said MJ was a con man? The thing is, Lebron fans do not know about those games and stories because they were not around then.
I'd also keep him out of the goat conversation as he plays a completely different game with different rules. Be interesting to see how many rings and records he'd have if he was called like everyone else. No one else gets away with his level of flopping, travelling, offensive fouling not being called and verbally abusing the refs without getting a tech.
To be fair, Shaq did exceed LaBron in the traveling and fouling department. Shaq’s go-to move consisted of “travel-charge-travel-dunk”, so LaBron might have a rival there.
@@projoebiochem I'm not advocating anyone breaking rules. But at least Shaq's travels were relatively small and close to the basket, Lebron somehow gets away with bouncing once from half way
Even his first ring had everything to do with OKC being uncharacteristically bad at the line, I think game 2, 3, and 4 OKC missed 10* free throws and lost each game by 5 or 6.
This is spot-on. It's not just about achievements in performance categories, such as the number of championships, records held, and all-star appearances. There needs to be something more that comes with being the GOAT, and that is the killer mentality. Jordan would get decked, rise, and respond with an onslaught of points. On the flip side, LeBron tends to seek referee intervention, airing grievances on various platforms post-game. I'm by no means an expert on GOAT behavior, but I don’t think that’s it. What really struck me is how LeBron's behavior reflects the times we're in. In 2024, we have the technology to social engineer and shape narratives, like LeBron's somewhat desperate pursuit of GOAT status. Unlike the '80s and '90s, where social media couldn't amplify these ambitions, Jordan's GOAT status, though supported by Nike, felt more organic. It wasn’t just Jordan's play but the more intangible parts…the fear and respect he evokes…his overall presence reinforced the message. Additionally, fans back then likely wouldn't tolerate the crybaby antics we see today. It's a fascinating shift in the game and how that reflects the cultural changes too.
MJ's GOAT status is from what he did on the court. If he was wearing Pony, he would still have been that guy we watched doing impossible moves, and wrecking on both ends of the court. He made Nike the number 1 sports brand.
LBJ is not the Goat. He lost in the Olympics. He needed Kobe for redeem team. He can’t beat Dwight led Orlando. He needed Dwade and CBosh to beat Boston. He needed Kyrie and KLove and the refs in 2016 championship. He needed AD in 2020. And stop defending LBJ that he didn’t have any one to help him. All those role/players that played him become Lebricks. He didn’t made those players better. He made himself look better. CBosh Stud in Toronto, KLove a stud Minnesota. AD stud in NO. KCP great role player in Detroit, Malik Monk. Westbrook became Westbrick and Dlo. LBJ can’t lead a team by himself or what was built around/for him. He demands and orchestrates and still can’t get it done.
ridiculous take. lebron has at least been to the finals 10, count them, 10 times. Jordan, only 6. Jordan played for 15 seasons. what happened all those other times? of COURSE you need good players around you. like Bird didn't have McHale and Parrish? Magic didn't have Kareem and Worthy? still can't get it done?!?! the man has 4 rings. they don't count?!
@@quirkasaurussaurus2896you play to win the game. There is no consolation prize for 2nd place. Lame excuse, I guess Dwight had a better teammates in Orlando and Dirk beat Superteam in Miami w/ aging players… And if Jordan didn’t retire. He could had won 8 straight championship.
Perfect example of why bandwagons gsw fangirls don't know basketball lmao. Steph not even top 10 the guy got cooked by a bench warmer name looney Walker in a elimination game.
@@avengerkill809 coming from a guy defending Bron who got outplayed by a bench player in Jason Terry in the Finals. A guy who was scared to post up JJ Barea and Jason Kidd. A guy who couldn't shoot even if he was in a gun range in 2007 Finals. A guy who gave up the ball while being guarded by Curry because he was scared to take the shot or get fouled. A guy who choked and quit on his teams multiple times. Yeah, you really know basketball. lol.
@@remnant8898 well I do know basketball, JJ barea and Jason kidd were the only players in the Mavs. Almost like the Mavs didn't swept Kobe back to back champs. Typical bandwagon tik toker, talking about curry like he wasn't a sidekick every time he played LeBron 🤣🤡. I have forgotten more basketball knowledge than you've learned 🤣🤣. For example ya tik tokers being JJ barea and Jason kidd, Jason kidd one of the (best perimeter defender points guards). What you bandwagons didn't see if the zone match up which had had a big covering the driving lanes when you see the picture of Bron backing down JJ, that defender is behind him. Plus only a bandwagon tik toker would put curry anywhere near Bron, look what happened to curry every time the teams are balanced. Sent him home last year, ended that bandwagons dynasty once and for all. Ya still crying to this day 🤣🤣. Bron is 10-8 in the playoffs/playing in against curry without KD 🤣🤡. Learn some basketball kid, there's isn't anything ya can say to me that I don't know.
@@TheGuyRelic For stacking the deck, losing in the Finals, choking in multiple Finals and playoff series, then yeah, he's greater than Kobe and Curry combined. Other than that, he's not.
If LeBron played in tougher era, he might have tougher teammates. C'mon Bosh, Love, Kyrie, Wade (older bad knees on load mgmnt) were all hurt at some pt when he needed them in Finals.
I think scoring stats should be percentage of score of the game. This will minimize the effect of rule changes. Scoring 25 in a game score of 90 is more impressive than 25 in a game with a score of 140.
Imagine putting lebron in 90s era where it was more on mentality and physical games. 90s era didnt frustrate their opposing team from flopping but actually pushing and talking trash to their opponents.
For me it's level of competition, 10 finals from beating a historically shitty conference (that he made even shittier teaming up with other Eastern stars) isn't as impressive as the hype suggests, before we even get to the Finals record Jordan and Kobe in particular would have sliced through those conferences too; Lebron staying healthy the whole time is the most impressive thing about it, and there's a big element of luck in that. Jordan's East was tough with most of the league contenders (Knicks, Pacers, Cavs, Magic), made it out 6 times, won 6 times -- Kobe went through a TOUGH WC 7 times, won 5 of them and both teams that beat the Lakers were top 5 all-time defenses that keyed in on Kobe himself. Who was Lebron's best Eastern competition that he actually beat? Old Celtics, Rookie Tatum Celtics, Indiana with PG and Peak Hibbert??? Light work for most ATGs with decent squad around them. Then when you get to the Finals Lebronball doesn't cut it, too predictable for the great teams -- which Jordan and Kobe had to face ON THE WAY to the Finals which is why they were better prepared and adaptable. But it gets Lebron his stats which makes it easy to point the finger at teammates and wait for the media and statnerds to make excuses for you... Lebron is still great, some of us have seen better that's just what it is. I say the same thing to Kobe fans about Jordan, no hate! And if more Wilt or Kareem footage comes out to convince me I'll be honest and put them over Jordan But I watched all 3 of these win all of their chips in real time starting in 91 and Jordan > Kobe > Lebron based on who's leading their team to WIN (all I care about), all things being equal
That’s not the reason. The reason is he leaves team after team to go to a stronger contender for a ring. GOATs remain loyal to their team championship or not
I would argue that you’re mostly right, but GOATs can also go to weak teams and get them championships, and when they leave, the team is back at the bottom (which is something LeBron has not done as well).
he breaks the rules hand picked teams 4 of 4 in miami ok he would have got ratings breaking every rule there is. lebron scored 30 ppg one year. jordan did more than that 8 times. 8
I will never understand those dudes that put a guy who has a losing record in the finals(4-6)in the G.OA.T debate because of his pts, rebs,asts, etc, this is the most pathetic whistle 😮
There should be a 3 - All of the blame passing and excuses (coaches, teammates). Seems to be drama wherever he goes. Remember the press conference where all of a sudden he had a cast?
You forgot to mention that in his earlier years, when the flopping issue was first thrown at him, he actually doubled down a bit and said along the lines of "IT'S NOT EVEN A BAD THING", which meant that it's actually a strategy in the game.
Nice Program HR-->how ever I mildly object to the-surpassed expectations Idea; I expected with all the hype that came w-his entering the league for him to do for and in Cleveland what the GOAT-MJ did in Chicago, bring 2-3 NBA chips {people forget Otto Graham..}; but, he didn't I expected him to play the game tough, with resilience, fair play, be a positive mentor to future NBA players...continue the traditions established by Mikan, Cousy, Wilt, B. Russell, Jerry West, Oscar Robinson, Dr. J; Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Hakeem Olajuwon; Shaq, Tim Duncan; Kobe Bryant; Dirk Nowitzki.. instead we got this LeFake-Charlatan joke of a NBA-Player...And Flopping is not the only negative way in which he infamously stands out; and that League warning meant nothing to him......and they give his current team ridiculous foul calls... He should get 6-10 Technicals every game he plays.... in the raptors game 4th qrt-{23-2} and 2OT game against the Warriors-{43-16}...This stuff has made what little he has legitimately accomplish become more of a Joke-n-meme... Majority of NBA fans will be Celebrating THE Day he retires... and no he has no Bag....bulldoze -{offensive foul/charge} or a wide open 3ptr because no one respects his outside shot; he plays no defense.....he uses his arms hands on the lower back of folks he does guard -{a Foul} but doesn't get called out for it......Retire in good health but for Lord's sake man; LBJ... Just Retire!!!!
Hater....Lebron gets fouled all the time. Why would he retire when he's still tearing the league up? People want to keep poking the bear and running away to hide when his team is in the finals or winning a championship. 10 finals...8 consecutive. The Warriors play perimeter basketball. They're also one of the worst fouling teams in the league.
LeMedia favors him salavating the thought of someone passing Jordan. LeBron is just a stat padder who cries to the refs on a constant basis even though the Lakers get so many favorable calls. If his scoring title really mattered as much as people make it out to be, then Kareem would have been the GOAT 🤣 Jordan elevated the NBA, Curry changed the game, and LeBron has tanked the NBA viewership/reputation
-I never saw Jordan ask for his f***ing respect... -I've never seen the audience BULLYING Michael Jordan in their own home.. -I never saw Jordan looking for a referee to ask to take out a fan who paid for her ticket... -I never saw Jordan fight a WOMAN for mocking his game... -I never saw Jordan lose in a Finals.. -I've never seen Jordan score 8 points in a Finals... -I never saw Jordan get swept in a Finals.. -I never saw Jordan lose to an inferior team in the playoffs... -I've never seen Jordan lose in an Olympics... -I never saw Jordan play on a super team and not make the playoffs.. -I never saw Jordan rest off season he always tried to play every game.. -I never saw Jordan proclaim himself the greatest of all time.. Without doubt there is still no one who surpasses Michael Jordan as the GOAT of world basketball What do you think?. 🤔 Via: Basket in Seconds of Credit to the owner
Go where? Out of the playoffs 🤣🤣 your bandwagon franchise is over. We already packed your bags last season in the playoffs, in another 2 months warriors will fly straight to Cancun without even smelling the play in 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
@@LatestDecember8907 lmao man is barely 2024, there's literally 6 more seasons to go genius ya lmao. What a decade, unless you're talking about the 2010s I know someone who won 4 unless 🤣.
BRUH....HE PLAYED FOUR YEARS IN THE NBA WHERE KAREEM PLAYED IN COLLEGE 😡 GREATEST PLAYER IS "THE ONE WHO TAKES OVER THE GAME" THAT'S JORDAN, THAT'S KOBE... THAT'S ALL 🎤💯
Wilt. 50pts 25 rebounds a game. Also blocks were not an official stat but he had over 25 in a game. Also 42 year old Wilt and UCLA Freshmen Shut down the Magic led Kareemless Lakers in a pick up game. Seach coach Brown story. Also Kobe says Wilt was #1 It's scary how it's not close.
No one is touching Wilts' rebounding record. And he did it in just 14 seasons. And #2 man Russell did it in 13 seasons. So there is no g.o.a.t in basketball. Period.
8:01 - Why is it seen as more impressive to lose 3 games in a finals and win, than to win it 4-0 without dropping a single game to best team of the opposing conferance?
Yeah the refs definitely been on something the past couple years i have to admit some calls.. I can’t imagine how bad basketball is gonna get as time goes on
Who's greater? Kobe or LeBron?
MJ said it himself Championship wise Kobe Bryant in terms of dominating the game of basketball it’s Lebron
Easy kobe
Kobe
Mike is the best
Kobe Bryant
Lebron doesn't 'work' on flopping. He's a natural talent at it.
It's the only go to move he has developed
@@peduardoperez2219 legit bro. I get so mad cuz it's like he has an affect on his team with it too. AR, AD, and alot of other players on the lakers flop more now.
@@JJAISA and his signature flex 💪🏽 too small taunt to guys half his size. So he actually has a little bag
Flopping or no flopping, still smoked that bandwagons gsw girly warriors, ended that dynasty last season look at you can't even be in the play in 🤣🤣🤣.
@@avengerkill809 wtf did you say? LePrincess
Flopping is frustrating, but not owning up to it is the worst. Pure gaslighting us like its not on camera.
It’s the NBA’s fault for allowing it to happen and for us dumb fans for continuing to watch.
Lebron is why i no longer watch Basketball. I was so sickened by it I just see no point in watching when the refs decide more of the game now then the players... and Lebron gets ridiculous game changing calls over and over again.. it's insane...
For God sakes put all of us out of our misery and just retire!!!!! @#%^$#@$&^%$#@$$#@@@$$!!!!!!!!!!
Not every lie is gaslighting. 😂
Idk man he flopped so many times he deserves a year suspension.
If crying, traveling, double dribbling, flopping, LeBron played during era of Magic, Bird, Dr J, Karl Malone, and Kareem his career would have ended 10 years ago. There's no "CRYING" in baskeball!!! Lebron is definitely not the GOAT. He doesn't rank in the top 5. He's on the bottom of the Top 10.
preach💯
Oh man does he travel. Traveling in the NBA is so bad now. I saw wembinyama take three complete steps on a dunk and wasn't called. I mean 3 complete strides. He ran from the top of the key and dunked. No call. I was like WTF.
Thank You !
So you obviously don't watch basketball if you really say that lebron isn't top 2
U forgot charging
flopping and wearing number 23 and jumpman logo, woww
LeFRAUD
If you keep begging for the title you will never get it
He doesn't beg for it
@@wispy__ He does. LOL. Calling yourself the GOAT is begging to be called the GOAT.
@@ifade26if I give myself a title it’s because I believe i am worthy of that title that does not mean he is begging anyone else to call him that as well
@@wispy__ he’s done it so many times
@@wispy__ he does 😂, he even called himself one
"We don't work on flopping" - lol that's why they are so obvious.
😂😂😂
He didn't say I.
HE DON'T FLOP. THAT BUM PROBABLY HAVE THE FLOPPING MANUAL IN HIS LOCKER.
He has a soccer tutor
We don’t work on flopping
Sure thing there LeEnglish Premier League.
As an aside. I love International Football/Soccer. I can’t stand the constant flopping ruining a great and strategic team game.
The argument that Lebron faced tougher competition in the finals is a moot argument, because MJ made the Bulls the best team in the finals every trip they made to the finals. The reason Lebron is not the GOAT is because he did not sustain dominance on both ends of the court like MJ did, and for as long as MJ did (10 scoring titles and 9 All Defensive FIRST team in a row), on top of NEVER disappearing in the Finals. Lebron can not escape what Dallas did to his super team in Miami. As well as the Spurs. So what, Dallas was a better team than Lebron's created super team?? Y'all need to stop. On the highest stage with the most stakes (the NBA Finals) MJ NEVER disappeared. NEVER! Lebron did. Period. And We don't even hold Lebron's first trip to the finals against the Spurs in 2003 against him.
Just think of the teams Jordan had to beat to get to those Finals. The 92' and 93' Knicks could've beaten the Warriors and the 96' Sonics would beat every team LeBron ever beat in the Finals or ever.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352Are you delusional? Only MJ's Bulls can beat GSW with 4 future HOFs (Curry, Thompson, Green, Durant).
LEBRON SUCKS PERIOD NO GOD DAM GOAT
@@NuryPPanaligan you just flat out don't know basketball. Curry can't even deal with Kyrie type defense with no rim protectors, if he had to deal with Starks, Mason, Oakley and Ewing all bumping him and contesting everything, everybody punking Draymond, everybody punking skinny little Durant. Durant is so skinny, half of his offense would be neutralized cuz he wouldn't be able to drive past anybody cuz he's weak
Lebron is just a frontrunner he can't take over and bring a team back very often. When you watched Kobe it always felt like a matter of time til he gets hot and goes on a run. If lebron is playing poorly it feels like it's going to be a blowout because even though he's playing bad, they still running offense through him.
Lebron doesn’t belong in the conversation with Kobe, Kobe is wayy better
The Bulls didn't play dynasty's they were the Dynasty that's the difference!
Kobe was the master of the 12 for 27, with three assists. Nope. I can think of 50 other players I would rather have on my team.
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Waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy
@@paulespinoza1994try harder
The only reasons he gets his stats this year:
- Refs don't call his traveling
- Refs don't call his offensive fouls
-Refs don't call his flopping
-Refs don't give him technical foul when he bitches
-Refs award him with free throws when someone even thinks about defending him.
-He gives zero f&cks on defense and has become a liability
He also is a statue on OFFENSE too, when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands
Don't forget the era. Defensive three in the key means rim-defenders have been legislated out of the game. He is a bad mid-range jump shooter but doesn't have to take that shot because he can put his head down and shoulder to the rim. No one is there to help. In the 80s and 90s, bigger men would rotate to help and would put him down and/or make him shoot free throws. "But Lebron's 'shooting' percentage is good!" Take away the layups/dunks, and it's actually awful. Strangely, however, he shoots a better three than he does a mid-range two. Great passer though. . .but then again, the floor is spread out now, so you don't need to be Magic or Bird to make that pass. He's a pharmaceutical marvel, I think. NBA prefers to mythologize players as a marketing tool instead of the sport itself. Quite sad.
Ok buddy
I'm not a Kobe fan but I give him more respect than LeBron but yeah never seen any vids on Kobe doing the shit that LeBron does.
FACTS!!!
The Kawhi "ghost laugh" in this video is absolute GOLD!!! 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂
That laugh is the GOAT 🐐 😂
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😅😅😅 I was about to say the same thing
Killed me every time 😂😂😂😂
Never been Lebron fan. And this is exactly why.
I told my son, back when Lebron was desperately trying to pass Kareem…and he was staying on the court almost the entire game, constantly….I said, “I’ll bet my life, when he finally passes it, he’ll claim he’s hurt and sit on the bench for the next few weeks.” And what do ya know… he did exactly that.
Then, miraculously, when the rest of the team started racking up wins and got into playoff contention.. He suddenly got better and started playing again. Lebron is for Lebron… period.
Yeah like every team he's won a championship on coulda done it without him. He could easily play two more seasons. "Desperately" lol. Yeah he barely got that one...2000 pts later.
@@cambell-yi2gh you completely took “desperately” out of context.
And the two points you tried to make, had nothing to do with mine.
LeBum is for SATAN.
Recognize the signs/agenda.
@@cambell-yi2ghla flop, la balco.
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Stats don't make a case for GOAT, a combination of rings + clutches + intangibles do.
Yh. That's where I disagree with the content. Strictly in terms of effectiveness and efficiency, he will struggle to be in the top 10
@@JS-vw4dl Stats also help. Not counting stats though. Per game stats.
Even trips to Finals.
Character. And Lebron has a severe lack of Character
BS You won't make it to GOAT status avg 13 ppg, no matter how many rings, clutch shots or assists you get. Even rings are a team stat. And if the GOAT debate is close, it is going to incld stats.
The thing that gets me is, like, he does know there is replay and yet he can flat out deny it. What?!?!?!
I know he outright lies to everyone's face like anyone not playing basketball doesn't understand basketball.
He's like a modern female. No accountability.
Kawhi's laugh is the best
😆😆😆
😂😂😂😂😂
There's little bit of Eddie Murphy laugh there...
I never realize it til I saw your comment and made me burst in tears from laughing!
This the same guy that runs through 3 ppl intentionally tackling him just so he can get himself a layup.
key word being runs, because he certainly doesn't dribble through them.
Not enough people talk about this. He literally rams into people at full speed or with his elbows flying around and THEY get called for the foul. Amazing.
@@John6-40who Giannis??
@@sosaraycharles358 LeGm
@@sosaraycharles358 he gets calls too, but LeBron is the worst for it. And he cries every time he doesn't get a foul, even if he makes the shot.
LeBron has not faced tougher competition in the finals. Jordan just beat all his tough competition.
bird swept him both times they met.
Yes he could not beat the Byrd , he could beat Magic , which is why Byrd is the GOAT
See this is where yall just lie his team was favored to win it almost everytime and no it wasn’t just because Jordan’s that good so was his team
There was no super teams back then it was always pretty balanced so if your team had the better superstar usually that team would win
LeFlop walked his way through the Leastern Conference. My grandma could have rings if she was in the Leastern Conference. Jordan had to go through New York, Miami, Orlando, Indiana. In the west it was even more stacked. Phoenix, San Antonio, Houston, Seattle, all had 60+ wins in their respective seasons, fought each other for the top spot, and later the Lakers and Utah joined in the melee who also had 60+ wins during their time.
Could you see Lebron playing against the bad boy Pistons? He would have been laughed out of the game.
They'd knock him down, laugh at him, and mock him as he bitches and whines to the officials.
Lebron would have had problems with a number of teams during the 80s. Larry Bird would have been more than willing to get in a fistfight with Lebron in Boston. Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn would have made Lebron earns his two points at the charity strip in the Silverdome.
Eh. He would have adjusted for the era he was in. Still would've been entertaining though.
when he was young
he drove with his hip out
nba is soft now. no doubt
look at someone you ejected. they used to beat the crap out each other no call
He should be laughed out of the game NOW!
That game Saturday night and the 43-16 free-throw disparity when steph dropped 46 and shot 3 free-throws ans Austin wonder bread reeves shot 9 free-throws on 7 field goal attempts had me getting ptsd flashbacks to the lakers warriors series last year. The lakers are like +300 free throw attempts on the year yet are last in the league at 38 drive attempts per game. Shit is rigged bruh
He said “Austin Wonderbread Reeves” 😂😂😂💀
Austin flip his hair wen he makes a shot reeves
Lebron is GOAT - GIRLIEST of all time b/c he flops like a sissy girl despite weighing 270 LBs and running like a tank.
clearly you dont watvh the games .
@@iamtheonlywillyI liked it 😂😂
“We don’t work on flopping” killed me 😂💀💀
Sent me 🤣🤣🤣
He is the flop and cry baby master ....
Boycott his ass send him anywhere else
should have had "stop the cap" sound effect after that
LeBron doesn't flop, he just has very big reactions to his very sensitive feelings.
The Kawhi laugh had me cracking up almost every time😂
The Kawhi laughing in the background is PRICELESS..
Tougher competition?
Whats harder? Going against the dynasty or being the dynasty year after year after year after year after year …? You get the point
yeah, I didn't get that statement neither. Jordan and the Bulls, never let any other team have a dynasty.
While Bron and his multiple teams, never been the dynasty teams.
That was a crazy statement he made. Jordan faced slightly stiffer comp in a much much tougher era of the NBA. I don't think anyone can say this era is tougher than the 90's
Being a dynasty absolutely. Bulls never lost more than 2 games in a row from 90-98 when Jordan was playing is completly insane
Even if the "stiffer competition" is a legit point, it's not like LeBron overcame them more than he lost.
@@Dapper_Deanalso curry created a dynasty off of lebron lol
Need for attention, drama king, flop king, staying on the floor excessively when he's not really injured that bad, antics with courtside audiences (getting fans ejected), drama, drama, atttention, flop, excessive need for attention, drama and more drama, social justice victim outside of basketball, putting a target on the backs of police officers, a billionaire but still a victim of America . . . IQ of a grade schooler, and on and on. No, NEVER the goat but a number one narcissist!
Both MJ and LBJ played stiff competition in the Finals, averaging about 61 wins each. The reason we don’t hold MJ’s Finals opponents in high regard as we do the Spurs, Warriors, and *gasp* the 2011 Mavs is that Jordan never allowed any Finals opponent the chip.
Jordan denied hall-of-famers Ewing, Miller, Barkley, Drexler, Mourning, Payton, Stockton, and Malone championships during his reign.
LBJ couldn’t deny Jason Terry one.
those players are middling stars .. he didn’t deny bird, Magic, Isaiah
@@chrisjowoo83that’s so dumb that’s like saying lebron didn’t stop kobe kg pierce and Tim from winning rings that won’t his era. Lebrons era was full of other champs. One of them bring Jason terry who literally outplayed bron in the 2011 finals and the mavs defensive adjustment for Lebron was jj barea 😂😂 look up the games if u havnt watched lol Jordan literally has zero blemishes on his record while lebron has that along with what 5 other losses in the finals
@@chrisjowoo83and why they were “middling stars” is because Jordan’s denied them championships u don’t think we’d be looking at Clyde differently or Karl Malone and stock if they won chips let alone beat Jordan. No validity to your argument when were talking about hall of famers and nbas own top 75 players
@@chrisjowoo83 Hard disagree, John Stockton and Karl Malone are two of the best players ever. Stockton is at easily the second or third-best point guard of all time because he has the most career assists, is second only to Magic in APG, and lead the league 9 times. He's also 6th in steals per game. Both Stockton and Malone have a higher offensive win share than Shaq, Harden, Durant or Kobe.
Malone and Stockton are not the GOAT, but the list of players better than them is extremely short.
😂😂that delayed flop was hilarious 😊
nothing funny about it
league sucks
broke records because they are catered to
Flopping is A reason, not THE reason.
His resume doesn't stack with Jordan's or Kareem's. He doesn't pass Jordan or even Kobe or Bird on the eye test.
Also, he didn't face tougher Finals competition overall. Facing teams that averaged fewer wins with fewer all-stars. Plus he got crushed by the Spurs and Warriors anyway, going 2-5 against those teams.
Also, he does lack "the bag" that Jordan and Kobe had. He has no handle. He is laterally slow and his shot is very stiff and robotic.
90% of his points come on transition dunks, ramming guys in the paint and getting the foul, or chucking low % 3's.
He can't adjust his shot in mid-air like Jordan or Kobe. Can't shake an elite wing defender in iso.
He relies on picks and mismatches in those situations.
He's definitely a top 10 player and maybe even top 5, but for me personally, if I need to win a basketball game to save my life, and get to pick anyone at their peak, I'm taking a lot of guys over LeBron.
Jordan, Bird, Kobe, and maybe even guys like Shaq and Duncan.
I agree with all you wrote, but, your arguments also prove that this fool isn't a top 5, 10, or 100 top player, his whole career is just a media created lie.
Well put.
For me it's a heavy reason, what greatest basketball player would be flopping when no one touches them? I don't think you can be the greatest of you work harder on flopping to get a call than working on a jumpshot to not rely on the refs to bail you out.
When lbj came into the league people would say if he worked on his jumpshot he would be unstoppable. Well he never worked on it and at his age with no jumpshot he's pretty incapable of playing within the flow of offense.
Yeah, the eye test he looks like a clumsy oaf and the traveling and double dribble is off the charts and they let him get away with it so much its disgusting. The way Lebron plows through players like a linebacker in football. You have to have speed agility finesse talent and skill and you have to make your shots count by making them when your team needs them most. That is what MJ had done his entire career. That is why HE is the goat and Lebron,, well lebron is a joke and his cult of bronsexuals are just annoying.
Well said bro. I would add that I would also throw Magic in there for a can't lose situation.
About LBJ flopping 7:18 :
".. in fact, he often spends more time on the floor than.. Giannis to finish his free throw routine.."
This was Dave Chappelle level comedy gold.
There's no way Lefraud has faces tougher competition In the finals with the rules of today's sport.
He has faced tough competition (not often), but that’s when he loses. I think about every single year when he had a cake walk through the weak Eastern Conference. His super teams have lost to the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, Suns, and Nuggets.
THANK YOU!!
There's no way you watch nba
Could you imagine Bird or MJ crying and flopping like that? Lol
@@beetlejuice4357 I imagine you crying over flopping 😅genius people adapt on rules. Games evolved . You stuck in the past 🤣
Those who knows, knows.... I would choose MJ, Kobe Kareem and Bird in a picking before I choose Magic or Shaq over LeBron
Wilt #1. Everyone else far behind
You're just hating
I agree on all these guys, but let's just look at Bird.
In his prime before back injuries, Bird is giving you 28-10-7 on 50-40-90 shooting. He's also hitting those clutch shots and giving 100% on defense, diving for loose balls, etc.
This shouldn't be a hot take. Anyone who watched Larry knows. I'd also take Jordan, Kobe and a few others over LeBron.
A lot of this comes down to clutch factor and effort, because any top 10 player ever is going to post great stats.
Shaq is giving you 28-12-3 plus 3 blocks on 60% shooting.
Jordan is giving you 32-6-6 on 51% with elite defense and clutch ability.
Kobe is giving you 28-6-5 on 48% with great defense and clutch ability.
LeBron is giving you 27-7-7 on 51% with inconsistent defense and avoiding clutch shots.
Give me all those dudes over LeBron.
This is just hating😂😂
There's AT LEAST 10-13 players ahead of LeChoke.
A big reason why Le-Bum and Cleveland came back from a 1 - 3 deficit against the Warriors was the officiating in games 5 thru 7!!! Draymond being suspended for game 5 was ridiculous after Le-Bum stepped over him. That creep Le-Bum has been crying and flopping for 10+ years!
Cleveland would have NEVER EVEN WON THE FINALS,IF IT WERENT FOR KYRE IRVING! HES NOT A GOAT AND NEVER WILL BE,(KOBE-BRYANT) IS AND ALWAYS will be better,than queen-james,Even bein-dead!!!
@@user-dy6eo6fe5xKyrie doesn’t get enough credit for that championship. Warriors could NOT guard him. He easily got most of his points ISO drive to the rim. Bron would get all the switches he wanted on Curry and Ezeli.
@@user-dy6eo6fe5xRay Allen saved him in MIA too
the officiating against curry is unheard of, absolutely dispecable! they trying extremely hard to contain curry ever since 2016 til this very day
The Petty Queen. NBA had to issue a warning to knock off the flopping. What other player has been issued that warning? Not any of the all time greats. Or stretched out on the floor like he’s been shot. And if you’re the all time leader shot’s taken, well it’s no surprise that you’d be the all time leader in scoring, and turn overs. He hasn’t won the regular season MVP since 2012/13 season. There’s nothing that says GOAT when you’re only 4 Chips in 10 finals over a 21/22 yrs in the association. One game separates a 72 / 10 Bulls from the 73 / 9 Warriors. Only 2 more rings you say? How about those 2 three peats? MJ accomplished with the same team. No teaming up with other All stars to try and win a chip. And stats without accomplishments, are just stats. NBA owners are not paying multiple million dollar salaries to see who has the best STATS at the end of the season. Trophies, rings and Chips. There are other reasons why he’s not the GOAT, besides his ridiculous antics on the court.
His FG% is slightly higher than MJ's. In fact MJ shot 3 more times than LeBron per game. LeBron would have 30 ppg like MJ if he shot as much as MJ (bec LB's % is higher).
MJ will always be the goat for me
and for like 90% of the fans
Funny Jordan's not in the question lol good old Jordan fans 🤣
@@rekthereaper3760 who is then?
Did we ask?
Did we ask for your comment? @@killerkz0
"I felt like they fouled, and we didn't" 🗿 😂😂😂
That right there made him the greatest player of all time
refs don't call offensive fouls on him, he picks and chooses when he will play defense, the list is long.
All the greats picked their spots to play defense as they aged. Lebron can't do the same? Playing lock down defense and being fast to react on offense after 10 years straight of basketball is impossible to sustain.
in other words, he's lazy. @@digfitness7598
All the greats? Bill Russell coasted on defense his last 5 or 5 years? Jordan coasted on defense his last 4 or 5 years? Lebron is lazy and entitled. @@digfitness7598
@@digfitness7598no greats pick and choose
@@digfitness7598
Kyle Kuzma literally PUSHED LeBron to play defense a few years back. Yes, I'll agree that you need to pace yourself and not go nuts every play. I personally don't fault LeBron for that, because he's come up with iconic great defensive plays. To me, why he never passes MJ in my book:
* the mere fact that flopping is rewarded is a joke and the refs trip over themselves to reward his flopping
* how many times do we need to see him take five steps and not get called for traveling?
* he pretty much gets free drives to the basket, because with the new rules, it's simply impossible to defend his power drives without being called for a foul. MJ got his ass handed to him when he drove to the lane
* I hear people say all the time that he's played 20 years and MJ never played that long. LEBRON NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE! Back when MJ played, almost no one went straight to the NBA, no matter how good you were.
* one of the biggest arguments: you could beat the s**t out of players in the 80s and 90s. It was a much rougher, more physical game. LeBron's scoring average would drop 5ppg if he had to battle Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman and Bill Laimbeer and the Davis Brothers and Oakley and X-Man in the paint. Put MJ in today's soft NBA and he averages 50ppg and plays as many years as he wants.
Lebron faced tougher competition? He went up against 2 of the greatest Dynastic in History? OK he Beat Golden State once. Did he beat SA? Nope. Going up against and losing to is not the same as winning. Jordan played every Championships against the best Teams in the West. The Game was more physical in Jordans Era. Jordan never choked in a finals. Jordan never lost more than 3 games in a row. Jordan never had the type of players around him Lebron had. Jordan had 8 50 point playoff games, most ever. Jordan shot 50% from 3 one season. Jordan is the only player in history to never score less than 15 points in any playoff game. He won both Mvp and Best Defensive player in the same season in an era with with Stockton, Olajuwa, Shaq etc. Lebron has longevity and is the Goat of complaining and flopping. And Jordan was a far superior shooter over Bron.
plus that 2016 gsw was not on their best either.
bro, that kawhi laugh is something else 😂😂😂
The greatest leading scorer in history is Michael Jordan: *10x scoring champ and 30.5 ppg.* MJ has in his career 127.5 points per 100 possessions, LBJ 115.0.
The point total is determined by the number of seasons and games played. LeBron has 1751 games played and 47866 total points, Michael 1251 games and 38279. If MJ had played 1751 with an average of 30.5 ppg he would have scored about 53405 points.
Probably because he hand picks his teams and teammates mortgages the teams future and leaves the franchise in ruins when he departs. All of this crying and Le GM stuff and still hasnt caught Kobe or Jordan who stayed put through highs and lows. Also Steph has tied him while also staying put and riding out the down seasons instead of crying and going somewhere easier.
my guy you sound so right, he should've stayed in cleveland another 8 more years lmaoooo
How does he mortgage the teams feature? Please explain when he left Miami. They still had Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosch when he left Cleveland he made sure his contract was finished and he was a free agent. It’s not his fault that the owner Dan Gilbert didn’t want to get LeBron any help and spend money to get good free agents You people are idiots and when he left Cleveland for the second time, remember Kyrie left first and LeBron stayed and the end up loosing in the finals to gsw also when he left that team, they still had Kevin Love and a bunch of role players once again not LeBron‘s fault. Remember, they even got Derrick Rose and Dwyane Wade on that team at one point in time and when he went to the Lakers, he got Anthony Davis
@@Enokhathat’s exactly what he should’ve done, especially if he’s “the GOAT” MJ, Kobe and Steph included would’ve made the team around them better at Cleveland, unlike Lebron, who clearly needed to join super Teams like Miami to get his first 2 rings LOL
@@ErnieIthierthey just love being blind to lebrons nonsense
@@ErnieIthieryep far more props to bring it home
Ie Jordan Kobe Steph Duncan bird magic
Leaving to get it shows a lack of leadership qualities
Im just curious how he doesnt seem to get a technical when he throws his temper tantrums and gets in the officials faces.
the fact that a team with lebron wasnt the most dominant team says it all tbf
Hello, Miami heat back to back rings? Against actual dynasty and a super team? Typical warriors fan boy no basketball knowledge.
@@avengerkill809 Miami still was not the most dominant or even top 10 all time with those back to back chips. OKC wasn't close to being a super team, and it took them 7 games to beat a team lead by a 36 way past his prime Duncan, 35 year old Manu and pup in Kawhi.
Its ironic that you would say someone doesn't have basketball knowledge with your bad take.....
@@remnant8898 ya gsw bandwagons truly don't know basketball. "A way past his prime Duncan". That year Duncan was first team all NBA, 2nd team all defense. Pup kawhi was a top 10 defender that year, how can I know that well maybe his 2nd team all defensive selection, or dpoy the following season. That spurs team alone had more hall famers than the teams MJ faced in the finals combined. Plus 2012-2013 heat is a top 10 team of all time. Ya RUclipsr kids who started watching yesterday really don't know basketball.
Isnt that a team accomplishment? Why would a single individual get credit for how good his team is?
You guys are awfully defensive of/against superteams when it fits your narrative
@@1vaultdweller one moment, people are calling Bron a 4x champ, the next minute when his Finals record is considered, its now a team accomplishment.
How about being consistent in your argument?
That one with Jimmy Butler Leflop was just glitching in the matrix 😂😂😂 shit took me out nobody was even close to him.
He learned that delayed flop from PBA's Mick Pennisi.
Just look Mick Pennisi delayed flop video and you'll see it.
That Kwahi Leonard laughing in the background is giving me laughing stomach cramps!!!😂😂😂
He's also a top 10 traveller , captain 4 step and ones, and gave himself his nickname... never sat well
#1 turnover king
If Kobe would still be alive today, he would probably laugh and bonk Leflop James for shaming the LakeShow so much.
We don't respect lebron in LA. He will never have the respect and admiration Kobe has. Wish he'd leave
Because Curry beat him 3 out of 4 times in the Finals? Or because so many other players won Mvps and rings during Lebrons time in the league? Dirk, Kobe, KG, Curry, KD, Jokic, Giannis, Kawhi, Duncan etc
Both. But in my opinion, it worse when you have your only real rival who's beat you 75% of the times you've competed for the chip.
So no one won rings while Jordon was in the league
Curry was the sidekick of those 3 finals wins
@@theawoken7914Celtics, Lakers, Pistons, Rockets, and Spurs all won during Jordan’s time
@@zainakram6908 thank you
He is not the Goat. He plays for Stats. He is a arrogant, ego statistcal person.
Nah,Bryant did that.
There is a portion of his fanbase that i call the "hater brigade" that has slowly made me resent him over the years. Those fans that respond to any (fair or unfair) criticism by calling someone a hater. They'll often try to dismiss any criticism by saying he's more talented, rich, and successful than you. You have to be a 6 time nba champion to criticize him for flopping.
He's a great player, and there are lots of cool lebron fans. Having a different opinion doesnt make you stupid or my enemy. Its not fair to generalize all lebron fans. Its just that obnoxious vocal portion of his fanbase that's made me slowly start resenting him. Partly anyway, there is still all the stuff mentioned in the video.
Jordan is more talented, rich, and successful than me yet I call him the goat. So their argument falls apart right there.
@jasonwebb5964 I watched some videos on Jordan after you said this. I forgot how much of a monster he was. Lebron just doesn't have that killer instinct like him.
As a Mavs fan, I've seen flashes of it in Luka. That playoff series against the Suns, for example. He'll periodically turn it on. Not that i compare Luka to lebron or Jordan. I'm not that delusional. 😂
"We don't work on flopping" might get turned into the new kawhi laugh💀
2:50 The disembodied laugh of Kawhi Leonard with reverb killed me. LMAO!
Jordan has been asked many times if he is the GOAT. He always says, "It's not for me to say."
I’m sorry if it wasn’t for Draymond Green getting suspended the Cavs never would have came back from that 3-1 deficit plus Lebron needed Kyrie to go off.
And let's not forget that just about every analyst in TV believed it should have been a double T and move on. Everybody but Brian "LeBrons best friend" Windhorst.
Not the Cavs fault Draymond is a moron
@@JomarJohnsonMJ greater than LeBron you bronsexual
That’s a work from silver.,he helped lebron..total bias..they suspended dray after game 4 of the finals and the cause were dray kicked the nuts of an okc player during wcf..that’s a made championship
“Would’ve” “could’ve” 🤡🤡🤡
Bro literally load manages during games all the while stat padding by camping near basket for defensive rebounds... What a sad 'superstar'. 😤😤
Couldn't have said it better my man 🙌
@@HoopReportssalty your bandwagon warriors keep getting smoked by the Lakers 🤣 make another video crying about it 😂😂.
@@avengerkill809fanboy alert . Delusional kiddie
@@avengerkill809 refs keep beating Warriors. Lakers never beat the Warriors.
@@dvdv8197 yeah it was the refs that packed your bags in the playoffs and sent you straight to Cancun right 🤣🤣. Let's pretend I didn't see curry getting cooked by the Lakers bench warmers like looney Walker and Austin Reaves. Ya better find a new team to hop on, the bandwagon franchise been over
The points are truly irrelevant since the new modern version of the league doesn't allow defense. These players are a joke compared to the past. No defense, flopping deluxe, whine to refs to kick out fans who hurt their feelings, softest players in the history of basketball. No current players even in the conversation about the GOAT.
Anthony Edwards is on the right track.
You’re brain dead if you think these players aren’t the best the league has ever seen and are objectively wrong
@@gtddark232 man these kids are RUclipsrs and tik tokers, they don't know anything about actual basketball. This hoopcut guy still salty about the Lakers spanking the warriors the other day and still crying about it 🤣.
@gtddark232 No I'm old enough to have seen the league before it was gutted defensively. The players now are soft, the previous players shut up hecklers with their play not crying to refs. Also Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc.. didn't want to play with each other, wanted to dominate them. Now just build a super team and play with the players you can't beat. You sir are speaking with limited knowledge.
@@avengerkill809Wait till the tables turn buddy, oh wait might not happen because lebron is the golden boy of the NBA and can do no wrong. He is a saint. Gtfo , what goes around comes around ☝🏽👇🏽 also lebron ain’t gonna let you hit , so there no need to suck him up
At the highest stage with the most stakes (The NBA Finals) Lebron DISAPPEARED against Dallas, and the Spurs. And it was Kyrie that hit the biggest shot in Cleveland Cavs history, not Lebron. So it has nothing to do with his flopping and complaining and always passing the blame on to his teammates that negates him from being the G.O.A.T. (although it adds to it).
And let's keep it real ... how many stories do we have of MJ going off on players that talked trash to him, to the point that coaches AND players would ALWAYS tell players that were guarding MJ, NOT to say anything to him. MJ would obliterate Dillon Brooks for talking trash to him. MJ would obliterate the Rockets for the coach talking trash to him. Remember what MJ did to the Knicks because Jeff Van Gundy said MJ was a con man? The thing is, Lebron fans do not know about those games and stories because they were not around then.
The Kawhi laugh😂😂
"Hee-hawww-ha-ha...."
I agree sportsmanship is part of the goat debate, and that deducts some points for him.
I'd also keep him out of the goat conversation as he plays a completely different game with different rules. Be interesting to see how many rings and records he'd have if he was called like everyone else. No one else gets away with his level of flopping, travelling, offensive fouling not being called and verbally abusing the refs without getting a tech.
To be fair, Shaq did exceed LaBron in the traveling and fouling department. Shaq’s go-to move consisted of “travel-charge-travel-dunk”, so LaBron might have a rival there.
@@projoebiochem I'm not advocating anyone breaking rules. But at least Shaq's travels were relatively small and close to the basket, Lebron somehow gets away with bouncing once from half way
2013: the Ray Allen shot
2016: the Kyrie Irving shot
2020: the bubble ring, Anthony Davis
This right here made him the greatest player of all time.
If Lebron had no goat case you wouldn’t waste your time giving bs counter arguments
Even his first ring had everything to do with OKC being uncharacteristically bad at the line, I think game 2, 3, and 4 OKC missed 10* free throws and lost each game by 5 or 6.
Lebron has a guy in the league now dominating him since 2015. Stephen Curry. Kobes ended like 2012. Lebron had 3 years of the league being his
This is true.
@@maximuskhan2100LBJ is overrated
NBA refs be like: "Check out Draft Kings and get your free $200.." etc.
This is spot-on. It's not just about achievements in performance categories, such as the number of championships, records held, and all-star appearances. There needs to be something more that comes with being the GOAT, and that is the killer mentality. Jordan would get decked, rise, and respond with an onslaught of points. On the flip side, LeBron tends to seek referee intervention, airing grievances on various platforms post-game. I'm by no means an expert on GOAT behavior, but I don’t think that’s it.
What really struck me is how LeBron's behavior reflects the times we're in. In 2024, we have the technology to social engineer and shape narratives, like LeBron's somewhat desperate pursuit of GOAT status. Unlike the '80s and '90s, where social media couldn't amplify these ambitions, Jordan's GOAT status, though supported by Nike, felt more organic. It wasn’t just Jordan's play but the more intangible parts…the fear and respect he evokes…his overall presence reinforced the message. Additionally, fans back then likely wouldn't tolerate the crybaby antics we see today. It's a fascinating shift in the game and how that reflects the cultural changes too.
MJ's GOAT status is from what he did on the court. If he was wearing Pony, he would still have been that guy we watched doing impossible moves, and wrecking on both ends of the court. He made Nike the number 1 sports brand.
From another videos comments
"And that flop right there made me the greatest of all time"
LBJ is not the Goat. He lost in the Olympics. He needed Kobe for redeem team. He can’t beat Dwight led Orlando. He needed Dwade and CBosh to beat Boston. He needed Kyrie and KLove and the refs in 2016 championship. He needed AD in 2020. And stop defending LBJ that he didn’t have any one to help him. All those role/players that played him become Lebricks. He didn’t made those players better. He made himself look better. CBosh Stud in Toronto, KLove a stud Minnesota. AD stud in NO. KCP great role player in Detroit, Malik Monk. Westbrook became Westbrick and Dlo. LBJ can’t lead a team by himself or what was built around/for him. He demands and orchestrates and still can’t get it done.
ridiculous take. lebron has at least been to the finals 10, count them, 10 times. Jordan, only 6. Jordan played for 15 seasons. what happened all those other times? of COURSE you need good players around you. like Bird didn't have McHale and Parrish? Magic didn't have Kareem and Worthy? still can't get it done?!?! the man has 4 rings. they don't count?!
@@quirkasaurussaurus2896you play to win the game. There is no consolation prize for 2nd place. Lame excuse, I guess Dwight had a better teammates in Orlando and Dirk beat Superteam in Miami w/ aging players… And if Jordan didn’t retire. He could had won 8 straight championship.
Those who believe that Bron is the GOAT, they only watch his highlights . For them being a GOAT, it includes flops 😂😂😂😂
Ill still put curry over him idc especially Kobe
Perfect example of why bandwagons gsw fangirls don't know basketball lmao. Steph not even top 10 the guy got cooked by a bench warmer name looney Walker in a elimination game.
@@avengerkill809 coming from a guy defending Bron who got outplayed by a bench player in Jason Terry in the Finals. A guy who was scared to post up JJ Barea and Jason Kidd. A guy who couldn't shoot even if he was in a gun range in 2007 Finals. A guy who gave up the ball while being guarded by Curry because he was scared to take the shot or get fouled.
A guy who choked and quit on his teams multiple times. Yeah, you really know basketball. lol.
LeBron's greater than Curry and Kobe combined
@@remnant8898 well I do know basketball, JJ barea and Jason kidd were the only players in the Mavs. Almost like the Mavs didn't swept Kobe back to back champs. Typical bandwagon tik toker, talking about curry like he wasn't a sidekick every time he played LeBron 🤣🤡. I have forgotten more basketball knowledge than you've learned 🤣🤣. For example ya tik tokers being JJ barea and Jason kidd, Jason kidd one of the (best perimeter defender points guards). What you bandwagons didn't see if the zone match up which had had a big covering the driving lanes when you see the picture of Bron backing down JJ, that defender is behind him. Plus only a bandwagon tik toker would put curry anywhere near Bron, look what happened to curry every time the teams are balanced. Sent him home last year, ended that bandwagons dynasty once and for all. Ya still crying to this day 🤣🤣. Bron is 10-8 in the playoffs/playing in against curry without KD 🤣🤡. Learn some basketball kid, there's isn't anything ya can say to me that I don't know.
@@TheGuyRelic For stacking the deck, losing in the Finals, choking in multiple Finals and playoff series, then yeah, he's greater than Kobe and Curry combined. Other than that, he's not.
Kawhi’s move to Toronto may have changed the franchise’s history but his interview there undoubtedly changed the NBA RUclips landscape
Lebron era is a Flag Basketball and NOT even closed to Mikes grown ass man defense.
If LeBron played in tougher era, he might have tougher teammates. C'mon Bosh, Love, Kyrie, Wade (older bad knees on load mgmnt) were all hurt at some pt when he needed them in Finals.
Forget LeFlop! It's not even a discussion!
Leonard laugh gets me everytime 😂
Kawhi’s laughing evrytime lebron flops 😅😅
We don’t work on flopping it’s only me who takes acting classes
Yo LeBron James Wanna Be Actor That's Why He Be Flopping
😏, IT,READS like he wants to be into CLOWN ACTING!🤔
An if u paying for lessons u should ask for u money bac 😂
What i see in this video is that the creator of this is the one crying hahahah
Hey, it's LA, everybody acts. Lbj is a consumste actor.
damn that warriors v lakers game done pulled his last straw
He hasn't stop crying since then
I think scoring stats should be percentage of score of the game. This will minimize the effect of rule changes. Scoring 25 in a game score of 90 is more impressive than 25 in a game with a score of 140.
Imagine putting lebron in 90s era where it was more on mentality and physical games. 90s era didnt frustrate their opposing team from flopping but actually pushing and talking trash to their opponents.
For me it's level of competition, 10 finals from beating a historically shitty conference (that he made even shittier teaming up with other Eastern stars) isn't as impressive as the hype suggests, before we even get to the Finals record
Jordan and Kobe in particular would have sliced through those conferences too; Lebron staying healthy the whole time is the most impressive thing about it, and there's a big element of luck in that. Jordan's East was tough with most of the league contenders (Knicks, Pacers, Cavs, Magic), made it out 6 times, won 6 times -- Kobe went through a TOUGH WC 7 times, won 5 of them and both teams that beat the Lakers were top 5 all-time defenses that keyed in on Kobe himself.
Who was Lebron's best Eastern competition that he actually beat? Old Celtics, Rookie Tatum Celtics, Indiana with PG and Peak Hibbert??? Light work for most ATGs with decent squad around them. Then when you get to the Finals Lebronball doesn't cut it, too predictable for the great teams -- which Jordan and Kobe had to face ON THE WAY to the Finals which is why they were better prepared and adaptable. But it gets Lebron his stats which makes it easy to point the finger at teammates and wait for the media and statnerds to make excuses for you...
Lebron is still great, some of us have seen better that's just what it is. I say the same thing to Kobe fans about Jordan, no hate! And if more Wilt or Kareem footage comes out to convince me I'll be honest and put them over Jordan
But I watched all 3 of these win all of their chips in real time starting in 91 and Jordan > Kobe > Lebron based on who's leading their team to WIN (all I care about), all things being equal
It is pretty smart to have a 1-3 minute break on the floor sometimes xD
lmao never thought of that
I thought the same as I saw him resting there lol
That’s not the reason. The reason is he leaves team after team to go to a stronger contender for a ring. GOATs remain loyal to their team championship or not
I would argue that you’re mostly right, but GOATs can also go to weak teams and get them championships, and when they leave, the team is back at the bottom (which is something LeBron has not done as well).
he breaks the rules
hand picked teams
4 of 4 in miami ok he would have got ratings
breaking every rule there is. lebron scored 30 ppg one year. jordan did more than that 8 times. 8
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I will never understand those dudes that put a guy who has a losing record in the finals(4-6)in the G.OA.T debate because of his pts, rebs,asts, etc, this is the most pathetic whistle 😮
There should be a 3 - All of the blame passing and excuses (coaches, teammates). Seems to be drama wherever he goes. Remember the press conference where all of a sudden he had a cast?
His flopping is better than his acting in space Jam
And you had to put in kawhi's laugh...got me every time lol
Kobe and MJ never demands for help from another super star to win a ring.
73.6% on the freethrow line is "off the charts"? How many seasons has he played?
Free throws? Three pointers? Clutch? Mid Range? Loyalty? Defense? Hustle?
You forgot to mention that in his earlier years, when the flopping issue was first thrown at him, he actually doubled down a bit and said along the lines of "IT'S NOT EVEN A BAD THING", which meant that it's actually a strategy in the game.
Nice Program HR-->how ever I mildly object to the-surpassed expectations Idea; I expected with all the hype that came w-his entering the league for him to do for and in Cleveland what the GOAT-MJ did in Chicago, bring 2-3 NBA chips {people forget Otto Graham..}; but, he didn't I expected him to play the game tough, with resilience, fair play, be a positive mentor to future NBA players...continue the traditions established by Mikan, Cousy, Wilt, B. Russell, Jerry West, Oscar Robinson, Dr. J; Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Hakeem Olajuwon; Shaq, Tim Duncan; Kobe Bryant; Dirk Nowitzki.. instead we got this LeFake-Charlatan joke of a NBA-Player...And Flopping is not the only negative way in which he infamously stands out; and that League warning meant nothing to him......and they give his current team ridiculous foul calls...
He should get 6-10 Technicals every game he plays.... in the raptors game 4th qrt-{23-2} and 2OT game against the Warriors-{43-16}...This stuff has made what little he has legitimately accomplish become more of a Joke-n-meme... Majority of NBA fans will be Celebrating THE Day he retires... and no he has no Bag....bulldoze -{offensive foul/charge} or a wide open 3ptr because no one respects his outside shot; he plays no defense.....he uses his arms hands on the lower back of folks he does guard -{a Foul} but doesn't get called out for it......Retire in good health but for Lord's sake man; LBJ... Just Retire!!!!
Hater....Lebron gets fouled all the time. Why would he retire when he's still tearing the league up? People want to keep poking the bear and running away to hide when his team is in the finals or winning a championship. 10 finals...8 consecutive. The Warriors play perimeter basketball. They're also one of the worst fouling teams in the league.
LeMedia favors him salavating the thought of someone passing Jordan. LeBron is just a stat padder who cries to the refs on a constant basis even though the Lakers get so many favorable calls. If his scoring title really mattered as much as people make it out to be, then Kareem would have been the GOAT 🤣 Jordan elevated the NBA, Curry changed the game, and LeBron has tanked the NBA viewership/reputation
-I never saw Jordan ask for his f***ing respect...
-I've never seen the audience BULLYING Michael Jordan in their own home..
-I never saw Jordan looking for a referee to ask to take out a fan who paid for her ticket...
-I never saw Jordan fight a WOMAN for mocking his game...
-I never saw Jordan lose in a Finals..
-I've never seen Jordan score 8 points in a Finals...
-I never saw Jordan get swept in a Finals..
-I never saw Jordan lose to an inferior team in the playoffs...
-I've never seen Jordan lose in an Olympics...
-I never saw Jordan play on a super team and not make the playoffs..
-I never saw Jordan rest off season he always tried to play every game..
-I never saw Jordan proclaim himself the greatest of all time..
Without doubt there is still no one who surpasses Michael Jordan as the GOAT of world basketball
What do you think?. 🤔
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LESS GO WARRRIORSSS
Go where? Out of the playoffs 🤣🤣 your bandwagon franchise is over. We already packed your bags last season in the playoffs, in another 2 months warriors will fly straight to Cancun without even smelling the play in 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
@@avengerkill809with more titles than anyone this decade without bussing down the team every year
@@LatestDecember8907 lmao man is barely 2024, there's literally 6 more seasons to go genius ya lmao. What a decade, unless you're talking about the 2010s I know someone who won 4 unless 🤣.
@@avengerkill809 lmao, l'avengers have been waiting this moment for a decade. tell you what, not before your lechoke retired. LMAO
BRUH....HE PLAYED FOUR YEARS IN THE NBA WHERE KAREEM PLAYED IN COLLEGE 😡
GREATEST PLAYER IS "THE ONE WHO TAKES OVER THE GAME"
THAT'S JORDAN, THAT'S KOBE... THAT'S ALL 🎤💯
Err thats Magic. Thats Larry.
Mj rode their coattails.
Wilt. 50pts 25 rebounds a game. Also blocks were not an official stat but he had over 25 in a game.
Also 42 year old Wilt and UCLA Freshmen Shut down the Magic led Kareemless Lakers in a pick up game. Seach coach Brown story.
Also Kobe says Wilt was #1
It's scary how it's not close.
that kawhi Leonard always gets me XD i cant lol
No one is touching Wilts' rebounding record. And he did it in just 14 seasons. And #2 man Russell did it in 13 seasons. So there is no g.o.a.t in basketball. Period.
8:01 - Why is it seen as more impressive to lose 3 games in a finals and win, than to win it 4-0 without dropping a single game to best team of the opposing conferance?
Still have faith in the Warriors?
100%
Yessir Dawg
@HoopReport Yessir
@@HoopReports 100% is kinda crazy tho
@@HoopReports As a Warrior fan whos realistic, hoops reports really got alot of optimism because 100% is crazy
Kobe earned it. LeBron manipulates it
Refuse to? He was never in the conversation. It was made up for publicly. No comparison!!
you gotta admit, the non call against the celtics was warranted
Yeah the refs definitely been on something the past couple years i have to admit some calls.. I can’t imagine how bad basketball is gonna get as time goes on