"The *Dustbin* of History" "The *Trash Can* of History" "The *Ditch* of History" "The *Toilet* of History" "The *Sewage Works* of History" "The *Mortuary* of History" "The *Cemetery* of History" "The *Grave Yard* of History" "The *Crematorium* of History"
Interesting debate. By the way, apparently this church is the only church where Charles Dodgson (Lewis Carroll) preached. However as Carroll had such a bad speech stammer, I think he chose logic, maths and literature over preaching! This church was created with the funding of Thomas Combe, the founder of Oxford university press. Combe was a major benefactor of the pre Raphaelites such as Holman Hunt.
It's a very good thing that politicians spend months forming a government, the views of the people are forced on the parties, it should take lots of time and work on behalf of the people, pr is a great idea.
When Danny Dorling started talking about the Opium Wars, there was a moment when he could have made a good point. But of course he didn’t. He wants us Brits to be taught more about all the bad things previous rulers of Britain did to others in history, believing that the more cowed, humiliated and ashamed we feel of ourselves, the more sheepishly compliant we’ll be with his wonderful plans for us. Meanwhile Xi Jinping uses Chinese grievance about the Opium Wars and the Century of Humiliation to justify a muscular policy of crushing dissent in Hong Kong, Xinjiang and Tibet, and sabre rattling against Taiwan. Presumably, the more shame we’re made to feel about British bad behaviour in the 19th century, the less we’re likely to complain about Chinese bad behaviour in the 21st. The good point Dorling should have made is the need for everyone to learn about the bad things their previous rulers did to others - including previous rulers of China. Let the Brits learn about the Opium Wars, and let the Chinese learn about the Dzungar Genocides. But that thought never occurred to him.
@@keithparker1346 Actually I think he - along with his fellow travellers - does affect the Chinese government: for the worse. Whenever any Western government, organisation or individual criticises the CCP for putting a million Uighurs in concentration camps, they reply with Danny Darling type talking points. It used to be the Opium Wars. More recently they've pivoted to George Floyd and the Systemic Racism and White Supremacy of Western countries like the USA and the UK.
It's incredible how compelling Danny Dorling's calm & reasoned assessment is, particularly when compared with Peter Hichens self-righteous & tone-deaf ranting
I agree with a number of the points Danny made but he's in danger of exaggerating/telling untruths to make his point(s). The UK's educational standards are very good internationally, for example literacy and mathematics. We do have a very high number of homeless people, but Germany has pretty much the same proportionate number - Ireland is also facing its own crisis. Housing is also complicated.
Germany's homeless are most proportionally Syrian refugees, whom Germany took in and Britain didn't. Britain's are British ! And higher for profit education is Obscenely expensive, just like the US. We are two "exceptional" nations polluted by, and near destruction from, the neoliberal freemarket capitalist ideologies pushed by Reaganism in the US and Thatcherism in your country. The general welfare is promoted for the few, not for all, in both systems.
UK is 6th wealthiest country in the world (was 5th but dropped down); the government chooses to allow people to be homeless - more of GDP could be spent on social infrastructure. Home the homeless, help sort out their issues and get those who have the potential, into work.
@@sallysmith920GDP isn't a measure of wealth. Take London out the UK, we'd be on par with the likes of Romania. Do not kid yourself that WE are rich, we've just some rich people living here, who'd be off like a shot if their wealth were threatened.
@@farzanamughal5933 I generally agree, that fundamentally society and life wouldn't exist if most people weren't fundamentally good, but that doesn't mean the population split isn't more than just 51% of people being fundamentally good.
@@farzanamughal5933 those who believe themselves incapable of evil are more dangerous than those who are aware of their capacity, and know that it resides within everyone
People are good. Power corrupts most of those that have it and unfortunately the masses are manipulated from all political angles. We are not evolved to think or live as such large societies. Also we're too comfortable so we tend to go along with a lot just to make our lives easier. The banality of evil is what we all do.
@cecilefox9136 it has nothing to do with discipline, the UK curriculum doesn't teach students anything about its history, culture, mathematics and innovation. And it was intentionally done by socialists to try and make education egalitarian. Meanwhile countries that continue to have a selective education system based on the one England invented continue to thrive and their students excel in one way or another.
If the Conservatives actually focused on realistic ways to foster economic development, they would provide value to vote for them. If Labour actually focused on realistic ways to tackle economic inequalities, they could provide value to vote for them. I don't see either side of the political spectrum offering either approach credibly.
The Conservatives focus on enriching the donors and subsequently obtaining high paying sinecures in the asset stripping financial parasite corporations that feast on the desicated corpse of the once productive UK economy. Labour seek to take their place as 'the sensible party' now that the batshit insane Conservatives have decided to embrace Trumpian culture war politics in a winner-takes-all race to the bottom.
Ed Miliband’s political career was a failure. But while he was Labour leader, he actually toyed with a good idea which needs to be revived. It’s called “predistribution”. Left wing governments typically think of reducing inequality through the tax and benefit system. But there are problems with this. For one thing, you need the rich to stay rich (and stay in your country) for you to be able to tax them and transfer some of their wealth to the poor. For another, you’re not actually raising the earning capacity of the poor. As soon as the government hits some financial crisis, it winds up cutting back on benefit spending, with disastrous consequences for the poor. Predistribution starts by noticing that there are some countries where pre-tax, pre-redistribution inequality is very low: Iceland and Slovenia, for instance. Both those countries redistribute through the tax system as well. But even if they didn’t, they’d still be less unequal than, say, France. No doubt there are many factors making these two countries relatively equal. But a big one is that their economies ensure that their poorer citizens have a higher pre-tax earning capacity.
History seems littered with the conflicts of the imperitives of psychologies...the conditioning of the mentalities of psychologies may be the fundamental dynamic of the violence of humanity
Danny isn't talking about Utopia he's talking about progress, a direction of travel. Seems Peter would like to drag us all back to doffing our caps, having god rammed down our throats and other places for those unfortunate enough to be in close proximity to men of the cloth.
progress? progressing where exactly? Under socialism - socialism that now cannot even define what a woman is, we are progressing over a cliff top. socialist utopia does not and has never existed. It is inherent of human nature to better that another. And... why does everyone have to go to university? To be indoctrinated by left wing ideology.
He exactly does know what he is talking about. And he is totally correct in what he said. Looking at Eudication in Ireland supports completely what Danny is saying.
Contra Dorling, does anyone believe for a second, after taking a moment's thought, that history is taught in Britain without endless banging on about things like the Opium Wars?
I went to a comprehensive up until 15 years ago. You'll be glad to know the opium wars weren't mentioned once, despite what GB News would have you believe. We did, however, study the Tudors 3 times for some godforsaken reason. Theirs is the least important dynasty and era in British history by far.
@@degaulle30 The least important dynasty in British history is probably the current one, since they've generally only been token figureheads, whereas the Tudors broke away from the Catholic church and fought off a Spanish invasion, either more important for England than some colonial trivia (not necessarily unimportant for the Chinese). So your education seems to have been a bit off even if not as warped as that in more "modern" curricula.
Danny Dorling is a British social geographer and Professor of Human Geography at the University of Oxford, known for his research and writings on issues related to inequality, social justice, and public policy. He’s written numerous books and articles on topics ranging from the geography of poverty and wealth, to the effects of inequality on health and well-being, to the impact of social divisions on society. He has also been involved in various public debates and advocacy efforts around these issues. His work aims to shed light on the spatial dimensions of social inequality and to inform more equitable and sustainable policies and practices.
Professor dorning is by far the most interesting and intelligent debater, Hitchens is by his arrogance a privileged unbearable type, who slants the pendulum too the wealthy of the UK. The old British empire which is as dead as a door knob.
"the German speaking countries on the continent" Now there we have generalisation, with a gaping big hole in it. Now lets have a look into this gaping hole of Germanic speakers. Well, we have Germany and then the first Germanic dialect Austrian, then we have all the other dialects of high-German, Swiss,Danish,Dutch,Swedish, Norweigen,Italian and Belgium plattdeutsch and there among English. So to whom, is this guy referring? Many continental countries, especial Germany and the Scandinavians; have cultured and nurtured their respective country's talent. They call it talent-management, for which they are known; whereas the UK is better known for its educational-snobbery. And educational-snobbery is what Peter Hitchens is advocating. However, he needs a crutch to support his Bildungs-snobber argument, but he has picked the wrong language group. "The German education system is characterized by the country's federal structure. And in Germany, almost all educational institutions hereunder - the general, business schools and higher education institutions including the universities - state -controlled institutions. The states' interaction with cultural institutions, including the area of education, is laid down in the German Constitution; However, the federal state has gained some educational policy competence in the field of higher education - via Hochschulrahmengesetz" Source: De Tyske uddannelsessystem, Udenrigsministeriet Danmark i Tyskland.
Presumably German speaking means the German language (Deutsch) rather than the Germanic language group. So that would be Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Not any of the Scandinavians or the Dutch/Belgians.
@@Eilfylijokul " Scandinavians or the Dutch" They are all Plattdeutsch speakers " Austria, Switzerland and Liechtenstein" They are all Deutsch-dialects. Finland is excluded from the group.
@@michaelmayo3127 Plattdeutsch is a distinct language/dialect spoken in Northern Germany. It's the language the Anglo-Saxons spoke or at least a close relative so bears resemblance to old English. There might be some Plattdeutsch speakers in eastern Netherlands or southern Denmark but you certainly can't say all - it's a distinct language from Danish and Dutch and I don't think it has any presence in the rest of Scandinavia. It's besides the point though really since Plattdeutsch is not German. If someone asked you "do you speak German?" and you started trying to converse with them in Danish they'd not have a clue what you were saying. Even if you spoke Plattdeutsch they'd probably have some trouble interpreting and think you were a little odd since "German" generally refers to high German/Deutsch. I think it's clear when Peter says "German speaking nations" he means Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Made especially obvious by the fact these nations all have selective schooling which is the crux of his argument.
@@Eilfylijokul Mion!! "old English" resembles Olde Norse..PlattDeutsch is a dialect of German and has many children. In the same way, that Pidgin-English has many dialects, thus is the same with German. In the south of Denmark they speak a local dialect that is a mix of German and Danish. In the south they would call a Brandbil a Feuerwehvagon, thus `brand` become Feuerweh `bil` become vagon and not the German word wagon but more like the Danish word `vogn`. High German is the over regional language. As Oxford English is regrade as the over regional language in England, so is High German in Germany; regarded as the some. The over regional language of Denmark is mainly spoken in Copenhagen however, the island of Zealand harbours many accents of the same.The written word in Danish is very much akin to Norwegian, Swedish is only partial so. ruclips.net/video/MmvNEGI9NSY/видео.html
The professor of geography from Oxford is a fool (mind you you need to be a fool to be a student or teacher at Oxford). He talks about Radically Progressive without defining what he means by Radically Progressive. The rest of what he said i can't comment on - i fell asleep !
I had to laugh when he polled the audience to see what proportion were radical progressives... The thing is Danny, radical progressives aren't big on debates.
@@hughjass8430 Rude? Alex? Come now, he's probably one of the most courteous interviewers on YT. The topic was a sore spot for Peter, that isn't Alex's fault--they both agreed to talk, PH didn't stop either.
58:48 Danny has it completely back to front when he says that both our main parties moved to the right. The Conservatives have gone so far to the left that they are no longer conservative. Boris had the chance to put this country right, but squandered his majority by going Liberal-Green, which was NOT what the people had voted for.
The major parties have obviously moved massively to the right on the economy in recent decades. Christian Democrats in Germany, the German Tories, are to the left of Labour on the economy and even someone like Corbyn would be a centrist economically by the standards of many Northern European states. The Tories moved us so far to the right that we went from having some of the highest living standards in the world in 2010 to some of the lowest in the developed world. We're becoming less like a social democratic European nation and more like a run down, poor, poverty ridden, ultra capitalist, unequal, corporate controlled, market fundamentalist, conservative US state like Alabama or Mississippi. On social issues people are generally less bigoted on some issues, if you want to call that a leftward move, but the current Tory party sounds like the BNP in the 2000s on issues like immigration and they're spreading fascist conspiracy theories previously spread only by openly fascist parties like National Front and BNP.
@@coreyc1685 'Corporate-controlled' is a danger of the globalist threat that we're all facing. Our national sovereignty will be usurped by the World Health Organisation if their amendments are allowed to pass unchallenged next May. But if you think the current Tory party is anything like the BNP, you have a serious screw loose!
Utter nonesense, As John Maynard Keynes said "When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do ? " Capitalism changed radically so economists and most political parties had to change their ideas too. Other countries in Europe have not transformed their economies that much- they are just different. Britain has less manufacturing than finance- that is not right or left wing it is just a fact and we have to live with it. In Britain are part of a linguistic Anglosphere i.e. what happens in the USA culturally tends to happen in the UK. It does not mean we are like anyone else in Europe it means we are more like USA -for better or worse. Corbyn or anyone of his ilk would not get a leg up in any European country -they would be trounced as the schlerotic Islington Marxists that they are. . Both the Tories and Kier Starmer recognise that the world is no longer the same as it was in the 1960-2000 era . The question is .Do you ?
@@josephbailey4249 The Problem we face is that today's economy does NOT allow that many to earn enough to pay their way and it is getting worse. Any economy has to earn enough to pay it's own way the UK reached this point a few decades ago. The only way out is 50% of the population being VERY VERY poor and a sliding scale up to the 1% who are VERY VERY rich and this is how the UK is going, the 9 of the most economically deprived area's in the EU, 2019 data, is just the start. If you think this is not so then please enlighten me.
"The conservatives have gone so far to the left.....". I've seen this comment before. My thought now is exactly how I felt when I first heard it, "Wow, that just beggers belief."
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Hitchens was FOS from his opening statement. His brother was far better.
"The *Dustbin* of History" "The *Trash Can* of History" "The *Ditch* of History" "The *Toilet* of History" "The *Sewage Works* of History" "The *Mortuary* of History" "The *Cemetery* of History" "The *Grave Yard* of History" "The *Crematorium* of History"
Interesting debate. By the way, apparently this church is the only church where Charles Dodgson (Lewis Carroll) preached. However as Carroll had such a bad speech stammer, I think he chose logic, maths and literature over preaching! This church was created with the funding of Thomas Combe, the founder of Oxford university press. Combe was a major benefactor of the pre Raphaelites such as Holman Hunt.
It's a very good thing that politicians spend months forming a government, the views of the people are forced on the parties, it should take lots of time and work on behalf of the people, pr is a great idea.
Peter quoting Boney M 😅
When Danny Dorling started talking about the Opium Wars, there was a moment when he could have made a good point. But of course he didn’t.
He wants us Brits to be taught more about all the bad things previous rulers of Britain did to others in history, believing that the more cowed, humiliated and ashamed we feel of ourselves, the more sheepishly compliant we’ll be with his wonderful plans for us. Meanwhile Xi Jinping uses Chinese grievance about the Opium Wars and the Century of Humiliation to justify a muscular policy of crushing dissent in Hong Kong, Xinjiang and Tibet, and sabre rattling against Taiwan. Presumably, the more shame we’re made to feel about British bad behaviour in the 19th century, the less we’re likely to complain about Chinese bad behaviour in the 21st.
The good point Dorling should have made is the need for everyone to learn about the bad things their previous rulers did to others - including previous rulers of China. Let the Brits learn about the Opium Wars, and let the Chinese learn about the Dzungar Genocides. But that thought never occurred to him.
Well he's hardly likely to affect the Chinese and their govt
@@keithparker1346 Actually I think he - along with his fellow travellers - does affect the Chinese government: for the worse. Whenever any Western government, organisation or individual criticises the CCP for putting a million Uighurs in concentration camps, they reply with Danny Darling type talking points. It used to be the Opium Wars. More recently they've pivoted to George Floyd and the Systemic Racism and White Supremacy of Western countries like the USA and the UK.
It's incredible how compelling Danny Dorling's calm & reasoned assessment is, particularly when compared with Peter Hichens self-righteous & tone-deaf ranting
Err no. He droned on without making much sense.
I am impressed by the comments here, full of so many different kinds of opinions that are not all ad-hominem. Wow.
If you want a very good eudicational system from kinder garden to master's Ireland does it by far the best.
I agree with a number of the points Danny made but he's in danger of exaggerating/telling untruths to make his point(s). The UK's educational standards are very good internationally, for example literacy and mathematics. We do have a very high number of homeless people, but Germany has pretty much the same proportionate number - Ireland is also facing its own crisis. Housing is also complicated.
It's not complicated for housing. There's little to no cheap housing
Germany's homeless are most proportionally Syrian refugees, whom Germany took in and Britain didn't. Britain's are British ! And higher for profit education is Obscenely expensive, just like the US. We are two "exceptional" nations polluted by, and near destruction from, the neoliberal freemarket capitalist ideologies pushed by Reaganism in the US and Thatcherism in your country. The general welfare is promoted for the few, not for all, in both systems.
UK is 6th wealthiest country in the world (was 5th but dropped down); the government chooses to allow people to be homeless - more of GDP could be spent on social infrastructure. Home the homeless, help sort out their issues and get those who have the potential, into work.
Are you joking? High educational standards? Do you know what children are like nowadays?
@@sallysmith920GDP isn't a measure of wealth. Take London out the UK, we'd be on par with the likes of Romania. Do not kid yourself that WE are rich, we've just some rich people living here, who'd be off like a shot if their wealth were threatened.
2 intelligent men. 2 emphatic people. The best point made was by Peter that both main political parties are Rubbish and have to be replaced.
He's been saying it since at least 2010 if not longer. Unfortunately most people don't listen or think for that matter.
Hitchens just said that to ensure that his privileged position is protected forever. What a shite.
Did He just say " people are fundamentally good" oh brother!
Its always the bad people who assume everyone else is as bitter as them
@@farzanamughal5933 I generally agree, that fundamentally society and life wouldn't exist if most people weren't fundamentally good, but that doesn't mean the population split isn't more than just 51% of people being fundamentally good.
The trouble is we have in society is letting bad people get into positions of power and having no systems in place to deal with that
@@farzanamughal5933 those who believe themselves incapable of evil are more dangerous than those who are aware of their capacity, and know that it resides within everyone
People are good. Power corrupts most of those that have it and unfortunately the masses are manipulated from all political angles. We are not evolved to think or live as such large societies. Also we're too comfortable so we tend to go along with a lot just to make our lives easier. The banality of evil is what we all do.
Surely we need more than the hypothesis of the positive, possibly the recognition of the fundamenal dynamics of the problems..
Spain's State education system is NOT better than the U.K's .
It must be atrocious then. We've gone from having the best education system in the world to having one of the worst.
@@IrateTurkey How sad,due to lack of discipline!!!
@cecilefox9136 it has nothing to do with discipline, the UK curriculum doesn't teach students anything about its history, culture, mathematics and innovation. And it was intentionally done by socialists to try and make education egalitarian. Meanwhile countries that continue to have a selective education system based on the one England invented continue to thrive and their students excel in one way or another.
Yes we need PR.
No we don't.
If the Conservatives actually focused on realistic ways to foster economic development, they would provide value to vote for them.
If Labour actually focused on realistic ways to tackle economic inequalities, they could provide value to vote for them.
I don't see either side of the political spectrum offering either approach credibly.
The Conservatives focus on enriching the donors and subsequently obtaining high paying sinecures in the asset stripping financial parasite corporations that feast on the desicated corpse of the once productive UK economy. Labour seek to take their place as 'the sensible party' now that the batshit insane Conservatives have decided to embrace Trumpian culture war politics in a winner-takes-all race to the bottom.
Ed Miliband’s political career was a failure. But while he was Labour leader, he actually toyed with a good idea which needs to be revived. It’s called “predistribution”.
Left wing governments typically think of reducing inequality through the tax and benefit system. But there are problems with this. For one thing, you need the rich to stay rich (and stay in your country) for you to be able to tax them and transfer some of their wealth to the poor. For another, you’re not actually raising the earning capacity of the poor. As soon as the government hits some financial crisis, it winds up cutting back on benefit spending, with disastrous consequences for the poor.
Predistribution starts by noticing that there are some countries where pre-tax, pre-redistribution inequality is very low: Iceland and Slovenia, for instance. Both those countries redistribute through the tax system as well. But even if they didn’t, they’d still be less unequal than, say, France. No doubt there are many factors making these two countries relatively equal. But a big one is that their economies ensure that their poorer citizens have a higher pre-tax earning capacity.
History seems littered with the conflicts of the imperitives of psychologies...the conditioning of the mentalities of psychologies may be the fundamental dynamic of the violence of humanity
Danny isn't talking about Utopia he's talking about progress, a direction of travel. Seems Peter would like to drag us all back to doffing our caps, having god rammed down our throats and other places for those unfortunate enough to be in close proximity to men of the cloth.
😂 Deluded.
progress? progressing where exactly? Under socialism - socialism that now cannot even define what a woman is, we are progressing over a cliff top. socialist utopia does not and has never existed. It is inherent of human nature to better that another. And... why does everyone have to go to university? To be indoctrinated by left wing ideology.
The arch of this video is that this Danny Dorling guy doesn't have the first clue what he's talking about.
He exactly does know what he is talking about. And he is totally correct in what he said. Looking at Eudication in Ireland supports completely what Danny is saying.
Is it just me, or has Dorling shed a load of weight?
Possibly, his shirt looks a little on the large side.
Honestly I only clicked to see if Peter was going to throw another tantrum 😅 Storm out yelling that he disliked the interviewer.
Tantrums are only for children. He is not a child, nor does he ever act like one or dress like one.
Which he didn't do to Alex anyway.
O'Connor isn't at all likeable so nobody can blame Hitchens for saying that.
The stupid brother, he can't reach the greatest of his brother, it's so sad to watch this fool.
@goodlookinouthomie1757 the description above is an exact, to the word, one of that interaction
Contra Dorling, does anyone believe for a second, after taking a moment's thought, that history is taught in Britain without endless banging on about things like the Opium Wars?
I went to a comprehensive up until 15 years ago. You'll be glad to know the opium wars weren't mentioned once, despite what GB News would have you believe. We did, however, study the Tudors 3 times for some godforsaken reason. Theirs is the least important dynasty and era in British history by far.
@@degaulle30 The least important dynasty in British history is probably the current one, since they've generally only been token figureheads, whereas the Tudors broke away from the Catholic church and fought off a Spanish invasion, either more important for England than some colonial trivia (not necessarily unimportant for the Chinese). So your education seems to have been a bit off even if not as warped as that in more "modern" curricula.
Let’s hear it for Mr P.H……as always …..thank you sir.
Who is Danny darling ?
Never heard of him until now, but he talked a lot of rubbish. And I'm working class. Much prefer Peter's arguments.
Danny Dorling is a British social geographer and Professor of Human Geography at the University of Oxford, known for his research and writings on issues related to inequality, social justice, and public policy. He’s written numerous books and articles on topics ranging from the geography of poverty and wealth, to the effects of inequality on health and well-being, to the impact of social divisions on society. He has also been involved in various public debates and advocacy efforts around these issues. His work aims to shed light on the spatial dimensions of social inequality and to inform more equitable and sustainable policies and practices.
Professor dorning is by far the most interesting and intelligent debater,
Hitchens is by his arrogance a privileged unbearable type, who slants the pendulum too the wealthy of the UK.
The old British empire which is as dead as a door knob.
"the German speaking countries on the continent" Now there we have generalisation, with a gaping big hole in it. Now lets have a look into this gaping hole of Germanic speakers. Well, we have Germany and then the first Germanic dialect Austrian, then we have all the other dialects of high-German, Swiss,Danish,Dutch,Swedish, Norweigen,Italian and Belgium plattdeutsch and there among English. So to whom, is this guy referring? Many continental countries, especial Germany and the Scandinavians; have cultured and nurtured their respective country's talent. They call it talent-management, for which they are known; whereas the UK is better known for its educational-snobbery. And educational-snobbery is what Peter Hitchens is advocating. However, he needs a crutch to support his Bildungs-snobber argument, but he has picked the wrong language group.
"The German education system is characterized by the country's federal structure. And in Germany, almost all educational institutions hereunder - the general, business schools and higher education institutions including the universities - state -controlled institutions. The states' interaction with cultural institutions, including the area of education, is laid down in the German Constitution; However, the federal state has gained some educational policy competence in the field of higher education - via Hochschulrahmengesetz" Source: De Tyske uddannelsessystem, Udenrigsministeriet Danmark i Tyskland.
Presumably German speaking means the German language (Deutsch) rather than the Germanic language group. So that would be Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Not any of the Scandinavians or the Dutch/Belgians.
@@Eilfylijokul " Scandinavians or the Dutch" They are all Plattdeutsch speakers " Austria, Switzerland and Liechtenstein" They are all Deutsch-dialects. Finland is excluded from the group.
@@michaelmayo3127 Plattdeutsch is a distinct language/dialect spoken in Northern Germany. It's the language the Anglo-Saxons spoke or at least a close relative so bears resemblance to old English. There might be some Plattdeutsch speakers in eastern Netherlands or southern Denmark but you certainly can't say all - it's a distinct language from Danish and Dutch and I don't think it has any presence in the rest of Scandinavia.
It's besides the point though really since Plattdeutsch is not German. If someone asked you "do you speak German?" and you started trying to converse with them in Danish they'd not have a clue what you were saying. Even if you spoke Plattdeutsch they'd probably have some trouble interpreting and think you were a little odd since "German" generally refers to high German/Deutsch. I think it's clear when Peter says "German speaking nations" he means Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Made especially obvious by the fact these nations all have selective schooling which is the crux of his argument.
@@Eilfylijokul Mion!!
"old English" resembles Olde Norse..PlattDeutsch is a dialect of German and has many children. In the same way, that Pidgin-English has many dialects, thus is the same with German.
In the south of Denmark they speak a local dialect that is a mix of German and Danish. In the south they would call a Brandbil a Feuerwehvagon, thus `brand` become Feuerweh `bil` become vagon and not the German word wagon but more like the Danish word `vogn`.
High German is the over regional language.
As Oxford English is regrade as the over regional language in England, so is High German in Germany; regarded as the some.
The over regional language of Denmark is mainly spoken in Copenhagen however, the island of Zealand harbours many accents of the same.The written word in Danish is very much akin to Norwegian, Swedish is only partial so.
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Dorling is a special kind of mix of narcissistic and delusional.
The professor of geography from Oxford is a fool (mind you you need to be a fool to be a student or teacher at Oxford). He talks about Radically Progressive without defining what he means by Radically Progressive. The rest of what he said i can't comment on - i fell asleep !
What a profound comment. The Prof is a fool and Oxford students and teachers are fools. Really?
I had to laugh when he polled the audience to see what proportion were radical progressives... The thing is Danny, radical progressives aren't big on debates.
Good Peter didn’t walk out of this one
All he did was talk about drugs
@@greetingsbox4229and he was really very rude!
@@hughjass8430 Rude? Alex? Come now, he's probably one of the most courteous interviewers on YT. The topic was a sore spot for Peter, that isn't Alex's fault--they both agreed to talk, PH didn't stop either.
@@JCPoetryCourner I was just parroting PH during that interview. he just kept saying "All you did was talk about drugs" and "You're very rude!" lol
At least Peter didn't have a tantrum and start making personal attacks and strop off like spoilt child.
58:48 Danny has it completely back to front when he says that both our main parties moved to the right. The Conservatives have gone so far to the left that they are no longer conservative. Boris had the chance to put this country right, but squandered his majority by going Liberal-Green, which was NOT what the people had voted for.
The major parties have obviously moved massively to the right on the economy in recent decades. Christian Democrats in Germany, the German Tories, are to the left of Labour on the economy and even someone like Corbyn would be a centrist economically by the standards of many Northern European states. The Tories moved us so far to the right that we went from having some of the highest living standards in the world in 2010 to some of the lowest in the developed world. We're becoming less like a social democratic European nation and more like a run down, poor, poverty ridden, ultra capitalist, unequal, corporate controlled, market fundamentalist, conservative US state like Alabama or Mississippi. On social issues people are generally less bigoted on some issues, if you want to call that a leftward move, but the current Tory party sounds like the BNP in the 2000s on issues like immigration and they're spreading fascist conspiracy theories previously spread only by openly fascist parties like National Front and BNP.
@@coreyc1685 'Corporate-controlled' is a danger of the globalist threat that we're all facing. Our national sovereignty will be usurped by the World Health Organisation if their amendments are allowed to pass unchallenged next May. But if you think the current Tory party is anything like the BNP, you have a serious screw loose!
Utter nonesense,
As John Maynard Keynes said "When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do ? "
Capitalism changed radically so economists and most political parties had to change their ideas too.
Other countries in Europe have not transformed their economies that much- they are just different. Britain has less manufacturing than finance- that is not right or left wing it is just a fact and we have to live with it.
In Britain are part of a linguistic Anglosphere i.e. what happens in the USA culturally tends to happen in the UK. It does not mean we are like anyone else in Europe it means we are more like USA -for better or worse.
Corbyn or anyone of his ilk would not get a leg up in any European country -they would be trounced as the schlerotic Islington Marxists that they are. .
Both the Tories and Kier Starmer recognise that the world is no longer the same as it was in the 1960-2000 era .
The question is .Do you ?
@@josephbailey4249 The Problem we face is that today's economy does NOT allow that many to earn enough to pay their way and it is getting worse. Any economy has to earn enough to pay it's own way the UK reached this point a few decades ago. The only way out is 50% of the population being VERY VERY poor and a sliding scale up to the 1% who are VERY VERY rich and this is how the UK is going, the 9 of the most economically deprived area's in the EU, 2019 data, is just the start. If you think this is not so then please enlighten me.
"The conservatives have gone so far to the left.....".
I've seen this comment before. My thought now is exactly how I felt when I first heard it, "Wow, that just beggers belief."
The poor sound quality makes me disinclined to listen.
The sound is perfectly fine, when the actual debate begins.
@@11Kralle That's when it gets worse! Very whistly.
@@Isisbridge
Maybe you should not use Headphones?
@@11Kralle I never do.
Maybe you’re mixing up the quality of the argument with the quality of the sound.