Uthermal, Harstem and Lowko are my three favorite sc2 content creators and i just love watching Uthermal cheese Harstem then coming over to Harstems channel and watch him wreck others with the very same build he got wrecked by and have nothing but nice things to say crediting Thermy with such a broken build. I love this community!
26:02 If only he knew that uThermal's build has only rough outline at the start and very quickly goes into improvisation and every game is different. The strength of every uThermal build is pushing the game into chaos state where no one knows how it's supposed to be played and he just wins as he has far more experience of playing in chaos.
The Introduction to this video made me super happy :D. As a relatively fresh huge fan of Uthermal it is with pure joy I experience any interaction between the now 2 of my favorite SC2 creators. keep up the great work! Cheers!
@@kindlin I do appreciate the hard work of Lowko as well as all the others youtubers, streamers, tourney organizers, commentators its a big and wonderful community that all worked together to keep the Sc2 alive. I just prefer Thermy and Harstem. There is something really naughty about these 2 that I enjoy a lot :D and there is only so much time I have so can't watch them all but good point for sure Lowk does quality content as well. Cheers!
@@TheNeomare It's all about accessibility. The fact you CAN watch Harstem/Thermy is proof you don't need the full commentary from Lowko. A bunch of years ago when I wasn't familiar with the SC2 scene at ALL, no idea the units, the strats, nothing but the basics from when the game first came out, it wasn't possible for me to watch someone PLAY SC2, they were too fast, and it was almost nauseating. But over time I started watching a lot more playing vs casting, but Lowko is still always fun.
@@kindlin oh Alright :D. That puts a different perspective. Yea what you say makes perfect sense. For somebody who is new Harstem and Thermy might not be the best place to start. If anything quite the opposite :D. Glad you found your way trough the difficulty. It is a fun game to watch. I really do admire the level at which some people can play it. Its much better for me than watching traditional sports. I guess I take for granted for how long I am in SC2 i feel like i understand it really well. Watched a lot of GSL and many many many youtubers and streamers playing it. I never really was into investing enough time to be and good at it though... did have some fun with a friend of mine for a while when wol came out though but nothing very high level. Ah the good old times :). Cheers!
I imagine this video came about like this: "I found a new build order, in which series should I use it?" "From whom did you get it?" "uThermal." "In that case beating Grandmaster with stupid stuff!"
It helps understanding this build if you realize uThermal is a pro Terran player and this is basically playing your Zerg like it's a Terran instead. Hydra drops are basically like medivac dropping marines, but way stronger.
I think this originate from iA and silky's old build "rogafufuken" (yes, yamcha from dragon ball): two base ling flood, a fake attack on natural and a real drop into the main (back then drop can be researched by hatchery). That was a pure PvZ build which has caught so many protoss players out of guard, also resulted in the removal of hatchery droplord research :). And this evolving into a PvT (also PvZ maybe? lol) build with latest buffed hydra is a real nice touch by uthermal.
Harstem is the master of knowing the algorithm disfavors videos that have viewers end early so he wraps up the ending in 3 seconds flat before anyone can click off, and another video just autoplays right after.
I "love" how the end result of this is going to be Harstem going back to the balance council calling for a bug fix that nerfs Zerg, to wit the dropperlords not being f2-able.
The dropperlord is for zerg civilian logistics and should not be put into the army category. How will our drones go on vacation without their civilian aircraft??
bro I hate the build in the first game, I've died many times from it (as a toss), all the units are near the wall, I never think to check the main. Great to see it done first person
Dont know if UThermal mentioned it but that build also seems to transition quite quick and efficiently into mutas or just a handdffull to counter colossus/tanks
If you right-click a worker onto a mineral field, it can move through units. If you pay attention, you can see when people use that method to control their worker movement, when they start shifting into each other instead of moving like normal units.
You didn't steal his Zerg drop lol. You know Mark likes Terran but plays all races. He isn't great with Zerg, so he plays Zerg like Terran. He hates using Bannelings, lol. Wait till someone like Scarlett experiment with it
I mean, what's the ultimate lategame Zerg comp? A deployable siege unit, a glass cannon high dps infantry unit, and a snipey caster. That is: Play bug Terran.
cap, the dropperlords not moving might have been if they still had poop mode toggled. iirc having that on means they aren't included in f2 and that when they stop moving they'll immediately start pooping again
dang I been rushing 16 ling drops against T & P for a while. I play low Diamond NA and most just 2 base with a wall and rush BC/Carrier so I hit em with the drop early and it crushes. Another strat I revived from olden days is the roach army with banelings hidden in droplords. Marines never see it coming.
Would it be a viable protoss build to go stargate, allow opponent to just scout void rays (use for ovie hunting, "defense") so opponent doesn't build spores, but actually be building a proxy darkshrine?
BGMWSS IDEA! Base trade from behind! We all know Kevin likes to do BGMWSS to try and explore new ideas for his serious gameplay. While many players know how to basetrade decently, most players don't have builds designed for basetrades, nor do they usually execute basetrades effeciently. In this episode, the captain should be behind, and make a come back victory with his basetrade. It's an excellent way to practice while entertaining the masses. Cheers Captain, happy trading :)
Don't count Droperlords as armies @Harstem, thanks !!!! Fine as it is OR add a include/exclude from all army hotkey switch to all units !!!! Would be appreciated :D
So what is the actual build order? My ZvZ is my strongest matchup by far because it's the only matchup I have nailed down brain dead timings for any build (ling flood in this case). I need something to be aggressive with in the other 2 matchups.
I think that every build that involves lower eco and more/faster use of units will work better for you or Uthermal than Standard play but i dont think is going to translate for most Zerg mains. Trying to say that build like these just fit better ppl doing off-race.
phoenix early kill the droperlords and you can also suply block the zerg. also more phoenix counter less hydras with good micro. robo is only good if you manage to make phoenix colossus for some reason, or zerg makes roaches. but 2 bases zerg roach vs protoss 3 base anything looses most of the time, especially after investing in droperlords. the oracle killed less than the zerglings as oracles almost never become cost efficient killing workers. it is more of a utility unit. 4 phoenix harass/scout after the 1 phoenix killed a droperlord should just win. if you scout a roach warren, a second stargate with one additional phoenix for queen kill and then void rays. this is a zerg cheese, as with almost any zerg cheese, the thing is that they are more broken than pre nerf cannon rushes, but they are beatable with a really specific response that requires tons of knowledge and preparation, which is why it feels unfair. but nobody cares because the top zergs and dark usually have to go macro against terran.
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You know it's authentic UThermal when there's no creep spread
lmao true
He's following his build to a T.
That's so funny to say
😂 that backstory behind the build is gold haha
Easily Plat, I mean just look at the multitasking
I came here from uThermal's video.
I love how they have so much respect for each other.
Instead of being salty they compliment each other
It’s how fairly well-adjusted happy people communicate, even rivals.
Nice guys finish first.
Uthermal, Harstem and Lowko are my three favorite sc2 content creators and i just love watching Uthermal cheese Harstem then coming over to Harstems channel and watch him wreck others with the very same build he got wrecked by and have nothing but nice things to say crediting Thermy with such a broken build. I love this community!
The three-headed dutch dragon
Yeah, if Starcraft 1belongs to Korea, then SCII definitely has a Dutch flavor, which I love)
26:02 If only he knew that uThermal's build has only rough outline at the start and very quickly goes into improvisation and every game is different.
The strength of every uThermal build is pushing the game into chaos state where no one knows how it's supposed to be played and he just wins as he has far more experience of playing in chaos.
That sounds like PiG's description of Florencio, aka The Sewer Mermaid.
Drag them down to your level, then beat them with experience.
"CIA probably has pretty good funding if i RECALL"
Harstem officially outs himself as a CIA operative.
The Introduction to this video made me super happy :D.
As a relatively fresh huge fan of Uthermal it is with pure joy I experience any interaction between the now 2 of my favorite SC2 creators. keep up the great work!
Cheers!
Collab when? 1v1 cheesefest?
If you never found Lowko, I think he kept up the SC2 scene for Thermy and Harstem and others to break out more recently (3-4 years) on RUclips.
@@kindlin I do appreciate the hard work of Lowko as well as all the others youtubers, streamers, tourney organizers, commentators its a big and wonderful community that all worked together to keep the Sc2 alive. I just prefer Thermy and Harstem. There is something really naughty about these 2 that I enjoy a lot :D and there is only so much time I have so can't watch them all but good point for sure Lowk does quality content as well.
Cheers!
@@TheNeomare It's all about accessibility. The fact you CAN watch Harstem/Thermy is proof you don't need the full commentary from Lowko. A bunch of years ago when I wasn't familiar with the SC2 scene at ALL, no idea the units, the strats, nothing but the basics from when the game first came out, it wasn't possible for me to watch someone PLAY SC2, they were too fast, and it was almost nauseating. But over time I started watching a lot more playing vs casting, but Lowko is still always fun.
@@kindlin oh Alright :D. That puts a different perspective. Yea what you say makes perfect sense. For somebody who is new Harstem and Thermy might not be the best place to start. If anything quite the opposite :D.
Glad you found your way trough the difficulty. It is a fun game to watch. I really do admire the level at which some people can play it. Its much better for me than watching traditional sports.
I guess I take for granted for how long I am in SC2 i feel like i understand it really well. Watched a lot of GSL and many many many youtubers and streamers playing it. I never really was into investing enough time to be and good at it though... did have some fun with a friend of mine for a while when wol came out though but nothing very high level.
Ah the good old times :).
Cheers!
Checking the help menu while in a 1v1 is the most insane thing about this video
"Stealing fruit, that's what I'm all about" Harstem-2023
I was cracking up at that whole thing. Sewn? Sown? He plants the seeds, I reap them!
playing with no creep = the dutch method
When non-zerg mains try to play zerg...
Call this build the Dutch Uber
I imagine this video came about like this:
"I found a new build order, in which series should I use it?"
"From whom did you get it?"
"uThermal."
"In that case beating Grandmaster with stupid stuff!"
Marc builds hit different.
It helps understanding this build if you realize uThermal is a pro Terran player and this is basically playing your Zerg like it's a Terran instead. Hydra drops are basically like medivac dropping marines, but way stronger.
Its def not stronger but comparable. Marine medvac synergy is probably the best in the game:
I watched that game from Thermys POV, it was magnificent!
Is it on youtube?
@@pavelfedorov2891yeah, i think it's posted last week
@@pavelfedorov2891something like "Zerg cheese to grandmaster"
@@pavelfedorov2891 I don't think its uploaded yet, or it might have been on uThermal's twitch stream
@@pavelfedorov2891it is as of today
I'm still really hoping you and Marc to team up for a bit of Co-op shenanigans
1:25 It just made me lose it and I laughed in the middle of the night like a maniae XDD
I think this originate from iA and silky's old build "rogafufuken" (yes, yamcha from dragon ball): two base ling flood, a fake attack on natural and a real drop into the main (back then drop can be researched by hatchery). That was a pure PvZ build which has caught so many protoss players out of guard, also resulted in the removal of hatchery droplord research :). And this evolving into a PvT (also PvZ maybe? lol) build with latest buffed hydra is a real nice touch by uthermal.
all overlords could be dropperlords after research?
@@sakesaurus Only needed an evolution chamber to morph dropperlords. No research necessary.
@@zardecil9419 ah nice
Harstem is the master of knowing the algorithm disfavors videos that have viewers end early so he wraps up the ending in 3 seconds flat before anyone can click off, and another video just autoplays right after.
I did it on the Diamond ladder and won like 5 games in a row. Super fun build.
Harstem: Banter King, Uthermal: Troll Lord. Woot!
in this video, harstem finally realizes Zerg is broken at 15:45
I just saw that short from that pirate guy too. I've never seen him till yesterday.
I respect you admiring you stole it, makes it less stealy👍👍
did he say "I think I a-cheesed something", what a phrase!!
"Yeah, whatever let's go" - printing the t-shirts now bruh 👊
"oh... that's right, let's go" will be on the back of the shirts
I "love" how the end result of this is going to be Harstem going back to the balance council calling for a bug fix that nerfs Zerg, to wit the dropperlords not being f2-able.
The dropperlord is for zerg civilian logistics and should not be put into the army category. How will our drones go on vacation without their civilian aircraft??
Nice tribute to mark, he is such a great player, fair play and very entertaining
Don't play sc2 for a long time, but having so mush fun watching how uThermal or you playing this build!)
I used to play EVE Online with the PirateSoftware guy, he was my CEO in-game, it's crazy seeing him suddenly blow up on RUclips out of nowhere.
I love this lol. Love both Marc & harstem so that story made me laugh
bro I hate the build in the first game, I've died many times from it (as a toss), all the units are near the wall, I never think to check the main. Great to see it done first person
uthermal is a cheese-wizzard
he is THE cheese-wizzard. It's art.
"This is as braindead as it becomes." "High tier multitasking."
I think if your excited face on the thumbnail gets any more excited you're going to dislocate your jaw.
Soyfacing
This is so Dutch it's sponsored by Heinekin.
Dont know if UThermal mentioned it but that build also seems to transition quite quick and efficiently into mutas or just a handdffull to counter colossus/tanks
"Exact timings are for losers!" ,Harstem 😆
It's funny this many years into playing this game people are still making new builds and playing weird stuff effectively.
The carpenter strikes again 😅
This build feels like old days SC2
15:55 NO NO NO NO Dont you dare
You can do it on 1 gas btw. Instead of going into Hydras you can make a ton of drones and a 3rd while they are dealing with the drop.
For the first ling drop, would breaking 6 off to block the path to the ramp net you some more probe kills?
If you right-click a worker onto a mineral field, it can move through units. If you pay attention, you can see when people use that method to control their worker movement, when they start shifting into each other instead of moving like normal units.
strong against the immortal. "ya no crap" LMAO
I think you could've done some hot pick up micro with the hydra vs roach fight, it's not often you have both hydras and speed dropperlords!
I watched that game, Mark would say, that he plays Zerg like a Terran. Zerg version of Maru harassment drops.
You didn't steal his Zerg drop lol. You know Mark likes Terran but plays all races. He isn't great with Zerg, so he plays Zerg like Terran. He hates using Bannelings, lol. Wait till someone like Scarlett experiment with it
I mean, what's the ultimate lategame Zerg comp? A deployable siege unit, a glass cannon high dps infantry unit, and a snipey caster. That is: Play bug Terran.
Even if you didn't name uthermal in the title, I think a lot of us would have known who you played against!
I ling dropped twice on protoss and it worked very well each time (helps to get the +1 melee attack by the the time the drop happens)
If you have +1 by the time your drop hits you did the build completely wrong and hit way too late.
We need a series of 2v2 team play harstem and uthermal vs the world
cap, the dropperlords not moving might have been if they still had poop mode toggled. iirc having that on means they aren't included in f2 and that when they stop moving they'll immediately start pooping again
Plonk down 4 spines as soon as you saw he was going for roaches and I think you would have been in a perfectly playable spot?
9 marines actually beat a colossus.
dang I been rushing 16 ling drops against T & P for a while. I play low Diamond NA and most just 2 base with a wall and rush BC/Carrier so I hit em with the drop early and it crushes. Another strat I revived from olden days is the roach army with banelings hidden in droplords. Marines never see it coming.
*Me whenever I win a Zerg game* 30:55
Baboon learns starcraft build from Baboon.
Would it be a viable protoss build to go stargate, allow opponent to just scout void rays (use for ovie hunting, "defense") so opponent doesn't build spores, but actually be building a proxy darkshrine?
Thermy is a legend
I watched uThermals game and he was so happy about it, golden :)
lol I read the same article about the Celestial Steed making more than WoL. Feelsbadman. Great video, Captain
would have loved to see a /dance on the dropperlords
Is there anyone with a link to the first game they played, where uthermal did the cheese to harstem?
Great acheesements right here
If it's stupid but works, it's not stupid. As someone once said, if it's not a viable strategy they should be able to beat you.
BGMWSS IDEA!
Base trade from behind!
We all know Kevin likes to do BGMWSS to try and explore new ideas for his serious gameplay. While many players know how to basetrade decently, most players don't have builds designed for basetrades, nor do they usually execute basetrades effeciently. In this episode, the captain should be behind, and make a come back victory with his basetrade. It's an excellent way to practice while entertaining the masses.
Cheers Captain, happy trading :)
Don't count Droperlords as armies @Harstem, thanks !!!! Fine as it is OR add a include/exclude from all army hotkey switch to all units !!!! Would be appreciated :D
We had Fruitdealer, now we have fruitstealer
Fruitstealer obviously sells the stolen fruit to Fruitdealer
So what is the actual build order?
My ZvZ is my strongest matchup by far because it's the only matchup I have nailed down brain dead timings for any build (ling flood in this case). I need something to be aggressive with in the other 2 matchups.
uThermal is a menace.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, they found the overload all army glitch
I think that every build that involves lower eco and more/faster use of units will work better for you or Uthermal than Standard play but i dont think is going to translate for most Zerg mains. Trying to say that build like these just fit better ppl doing off-race.
Now can we get TLO to try this build out?
This is cheesier than most of the stuff on Cheesiest Man Alive!
I think as a zerg main I will struggle with this cheese, because it does not use a-move 🤣😋🎉
well i just come from ladder and was like let's watch the captain and bam i see the build i just lost to xD
Blizzard: buffs the Hydralisk 5 patches in a row.
Zerg only players: Meh lurker eggs.
Terran and protoss players: Yo this some gourmet S#!t.
this is why toss opens robo
phoenix early kill the droperlords and you can also suply block the zerg. also more phoenix counter less hydras with good micro. robo is only good if you manage to make phoenix colossus for some reason, or zerg makes roaches. but 2 bases zerg roach vs protoss 3 base anything looses most of the time, especially after investing in droperlords.
the oracle killed less than the zerglings as oracles almost never become cost efficient killing workers. it is more of a utility unit.
4 phoenix harass/scout after the 1 phoenix killed a droperlord should just win. if you scout a roach warren, a second stargate with one additional phoenix for queen kill and then void rays.
this is a zerg cheese, as with almost any zerg cheese, the thing is that they are more broken than pre nerf cannon rushes, but they are beatable with a really specific response that requires tons of knowledge and preparation, which is why it feels unfair. but nobody cares because the top zergs and dark usually have to go macro against terran.
That's basically my build from WoL beta.
And now I found out that 4 best bizzard streamers (imho) all are Datch. How? Why? Interesting!
Of course it was Uthermal.
nah how nasty is this XD
Against zerg you got to go into ultra / infestor / viper xD
Why should dropperlords count as army??
You and Marc sound a lot alike and not just because you have the same accent. You both share English slang words.
I see Uthermals name … i click and watch the video heeh
The hate on Zerg between the lines is real 🐷
I wish they would bring back Wings of Liberty ladder
Stealing Fruits 😆
Collab, when?
Absolutely awesome soy face in the thumbnail. double thumbs up
Have you played against uThermal? Do you have a video?
You need to make one of those clickbait videos: 12,000 Marines vs colossus with infinite super battery who wins?
Welcome to the diamond league, captain!! ;D Hydras are kinda imba, especially when you suck as a low MMR-player.
who would you say is the most creative and cheesiest player in the history of SC2 ?
Stealing fruit!
turns out drops are op! (looking at u terran players)
Uthermal not playing competitive?
lol i just beat a 600 mmr higher ranked player with this first time I tried it. I am currently 4900 and he was 5500.
Let's remove prism and overseer from all army hotkey, who's with me!?
I need my overseers for when I F2-amove my swarm!