The Fedora Chronicles - Indiana Jones Hat Discrepancies
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- Опубликовано: 2 сен 2011
- Did you know that Indiana Jones's hat changed from film to film? This short documentary discusses the history and analyzes the differences between Indiana Jones's fedoras in the original trilogy. Which fedora is your favorite? Please comment below.
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The update is that Herbert Johnson have as of 2016 have *found* the original Raiders block. If you order a 'Poet' from them now it will be the most authentic Raiders Fedora
They found the original Raiders Block! Excellent! Now they have make exact copies and sell them to hat manufactures so can make official authentic Raiders hats!!!
This is great but how is Steve Delk's health? Is he in a hospital? Is he recovering at home? How is he doing??? I pray to God he is alright.
@@BingCherry11 good but I can't afford it so no good for me
What is the difference between rabbit or beaver poet? And what is the difference between regular or "turn" version ?
@@MrPOKER725 Rabbit is Raiders authentic, floppy material. Beaver is harder and what they used for the other movies. The turn is the ribbon bow, for some of the Raiders movie it was turned more to the front, instead of the side, by accident more than by design. Or maybe Ford's creativity, he played around with the hat a lot during production.
I expected this to be BLOODY boring, but you in fact made it quite interesting!
I always thought Indy's fedora looked different in each movie, but I could never put my finger on why. His hat from Raiders has to be my all-time favorite.
This video you made, sir, is the ultimate and most useful piece of information and research that I was hoping to have in my hands. Thank you for having made it. Congrats!
Though Temple of Doom was my favorite Indy film, I can only want the Raiders Hat
Hmm... Though the raiders hat is by far the best hat, i think you are the first person ive ever come across who thinks Temple of Doom was the best of the films. Steven Spielberg's screaming wife ruined the movie imo and only got the gig because of her Husband.
The funny thing is that in the novels they address this a few times. He actually keeps getting new hats over and over again because he frequently loses them. In one novel "The Peril At Delphi", Indy falls into a crevice and the hat is lost and so he gets a new one. The reason that we as fans were led to believe that it's the same fedora over and over again was the opening scene to The Last Crusade. That one moment where the tomb robber puts the hat on young Indy and then the scene immediately cuts to Indy grown and onboard the ship fighting to get the cross of Coronado back. It was that scene that led everyone to believe that Indy's hat was actually the same hat but in truth he just keeps getting new ones. In truth I always preferred the Last Crusade hat simply because it had a more "Bogart" class style look to it. The original Raider hat is amazing but i was never a huge fan of the huge tall crown in the Raiders hat. For me my love will always be the Last Crusade hat.
Actually, at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones lost his hat. He left it on the Nazi submarine, remember? You see him run out of the submarine and in the next scene he is hatless and without his leather jacket. He then dresses up as a nazi and we never see him get his hat and jacket back. He must have left them on the submarine, there's no way he could have gone back to get them!
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Yeah! and in the sequels they make it seem like the hat is a part of him and he keeps on getting it back convienently. In temple of Doom, it fell off his head when he was escaping that booby trap chamber, but he manages to grab it just in time before the door closes. In Last Crusade, he loses it when he falls with the tank down the canyon, but it magically flies back to him in the wind! It seems like the fedora didn't mean as much in Raiders, so he didn't get it back in that movie, but in later films it was very important that he always got his hat back.
A theory I had is that he keeps reblocking the hat throughout the films.
Exactly, and if you look closer, even the hat that tomb robber wears looks different in some scenes than hat that older Indy wears
@@jamiewilliams8452they were regularly reblocked during priduction. Since the herbert and johnson are 400 euros you take care.
As much as I love the Raiders fedora I still love the Last Crusades fedora a bit more for the simple fact that as a kid I would watch that film all the time since it was my favorite and also I remember with the sides of the brim swooped up it has more of a cowboy hat look to it and that was the hat I really fell in love with and always really wanted. The best two are the Raiders and the Crusades hat.
I saw a newer 4K 2021 era RotLA & noticed Maj Thont wears a cool solid black fedora hat just like Indys...
Yes Toht's hat is basically a black version of Indy's hat, with the high straight sides and deep pinch. The filmmakers must have done this on purpose, the two hats are too similar for it to be accidental. However Toht's hat differs from Indy's in two other ways 1) its brim is bound with ribbon and 2) I think the band is a bit wider.
EXCELLENT job on this, Rob!
I enjoyed every minute (PLUS, you've just saved me a lot of time and effort in the future... Next time people are asking me about the Indy Hat I can just sit 'em down and show them this well thought out, informative and funny video!)
Thanks so much for all your hard work on this... The final product is, frankly, GREAT.
Raiders of the Lost Block - A movie about Indy fans trying to find the original hat shaping block!
You can also look into an Akubra Federation IV fedora.
Gallifreyan Browncoat or my hat company that will come out in a while hopefully wink wink
Super informative video!!!! Thanks for producing. Much like yourself, I too I am a big fan of the IJ movies and was interested in the hat but never truly considered making the purchase. Coming back from a sales call in 1989 I was passing the J.J. Hat Center store in Manhattan, NY. Otherwise known as the Stetson Hat Store. It was a cold winter's day and my head was freezing so I took a walk inside to warm up. There were several Stetson special edition IJ fedoras from 1984 still lining the shelves. True fedora aficionados would probably never be caught dead wearing such a cheap hat but it was a novelty, it was cold outside and at $45.00 it was affordable. The brim seemed a lot longer than the one in the movies but the gentleman behind the counter knew his trade well. He took out his steamer and after a few minutes the hat had all the proper bends and impressions to give it that authentic look. Truthfully, I thought the hat would be worth a lot of money down the road not realizing how many had truly been produced so I wore it for one week and then left it home hanging on the tip of a floor lamp. Several years later I came home after a long day and found my wife waiting for me with a Gin and Tonic. I noticed my two boys in a time out sitting in separate corners of our living room. My wife handed me my drink and explained that I would need it. On the living room table rested what was left of my IJ hat. It would appear that the boys decided to take turns wearing it which ultimately turned into a tug of war with the hat losing out badly. I remember staring at it in utter disbelief. I called them over and I’m sure they thought they were going to get the living day lights beaten out of them as they sat there quietly starring into space. I have to admit that I was pretty pissed off but at the end of the day it was only a hat. I told them that they just destroyed a $100,000 hat (hey, don’t hit your kids, just tell them tall stories that really make them feel bad) and that neither of them were ever going to college because the hat was their college fund. OK, a bit of an exaggeration but for a 5 & 6 year old it made an impact. I can honestly tell you that they never destroyed anything again. So what happened to the hat? In true Indiana Jones style, I punched my fist through the center of it and tore apart what was left of it as the boys looked on with the fear of God put into them. They got yelled at but there were no spankings and they did get dinner. They are both in college now and I plan on passing this video on to them for a good laugh. Again, thanks for producing a great video about my $100,000 IJ hat ….wink : )
That’s a great story. You handled exactly as I would have.🍻
Excellent editing, fantastic narrative...highly informative and entertaining! You are a talented editor. Well done indeed!
By the way, I'll be collecting my 'Raiders Penman' fedora this week, after a 5-month wait!
Excellent video, and I'm in complete agreement with you, which is why I looked up this particular subject matter in the first place! I was fairly stunned to find that I was NOT the only Raiders fan who knew that the "official" hats were not even remotely correct. I have seen MANY of them in the past three decades (including one offered as such at Universal Studios in Florida back in 2012), and ALL of them were miserable failures. Thanks for providing this most excellent information about my favorite hat!
I really love this video and watch it every 6 months or so. Thanks for making it, and make more if you can! About other props or moves.. you'd get my views, thats for sure..
2011?! HOLY BALLS I DIDN'T EVEN CHECK HOW OLD THIS WAS
Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
There’s a German version available sold by Adalbert Breiter GmbH in Munich, crushable felt, very good quality, a good hat with styling for those rainy days when you forget your umbrella. Mine lasted 20 years till I left it in a restaurant.
Penman is hands down THE most S-A Raiders hat!
Such a perfect video ! My favorites hats ever ! Thanks so much !!
Great documentary! Would have never known about this. I don't notice things like this often.
Great video man! Loved all the info. I had the licensed one, definitely need to pick a hero style soon.
Great review.. Acubra hat makes a model called the adventurer. Around 160.00, and the Fed 4. Both are have Australian inspired design.
Christ I would love a raiders fedora but way too expensive even the Herbert Johnson company want £475 here in the UK and that was only last week I enquired.
Excellent Video! I am very grateful to you for putting it together and adding the recommended hat store websites.
My favorite hat is the Raiders hat. To me it is easily far and above the most beautiful of all the Indy hats I have seen in the movies and on the internet.
BingCherry
Excellent video, covering a very complex subject in a compact and clear way. At 3:14 "Savile" in Savile Row is pronounced SAV-il (accent on first syllable).
so relevant in 2020 ,watching from Italy !!!
Thanks for the review, Really great quality hats.
Thanks Rob for the research and work you performed to make this video. I just received my Herbert Johnson Poet made with rabbit/fur felt, and it fits perfectly, albeit at a premium price (the model used in Raiders). My only complaint is that it is extremely soft, and you must re-bash and crease the fedora with each wearing. Perhaps you know a technique to stiffen the felt? Yes, there are how-to videos all over youtube concerning this, but I am trying to find the best stiffening technique that won't compromise my investment by affecting the fedora adversely. If you have some advice, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
very nice job rob! love the way you got a lot of the info out . i have heard that penman hats and adventurebuilt hats are very good , but i went with todd's costume for there downtowner hat which is beaver felt but made to look like the raiders hero hat , i like the style , i also bought the uptowner hat from todd's that is a bit more pliable and looks more like the last crusade hat. you can see my youtube reviews to see thse hats. but once again , great video!
This video is what inspired me to become a hatmaker to make my own raiders fedora, so thanks!
Thanks Rob. The best video and very comprehensive info. You saved me from disappointment of buying licensed crap. Now waiting for my Penman Raider.
i love the raiders style and the crusade it's always been my favorite.
but i also purchased one the official licensed fedora and it wasn't that
bad. i managed to shape it to have the original Indy crease instead of the
original tear drop. took alot of work but it came out nice i must say.
I've located the shop in London that sells the original and official Herbert Johnson Poet hat. I've had the fitting, and will pick it up at the end of the month... just in time for my adventures in Burma. This fedora is awesome!
Well done mate. Always liked that somebody made this video. Raiders forever; if you have the height for it!
About a month ago, I ordered a CS Beaver from John Penman, I can't wait!!!
I heard there is a mandela effect where most people remember seeing indiana jones with a smaller hat. And i could've sworn that hat was never this grotesquely tall almost like a top hat when i watched these films.
I have an Adventurebilt "Henry" bought second hand, but as new and hardly worn from a fellow in Eire who preferred his Coyle Costume hat. It said "Pure Beaver" in the hatband, and I contacted Marc Kitter in Germany with a photo of it, and he said that it was just so, and recognised it and that it was from a batch of only three he'd made with a particular type of inner band. It has withstood all that a northern English climate has thown at it, though I would love a Penman "Last Crusade" hat.
Thanks for the heads-up. Visited the forum thread (and posted there). Very interesting...
theirs a nice village in Lancaster Pennsylvania with a home made leather shop with a nice indie style fedora (crown and floppiness) next time i visit im definitely picking it up its awesome
I gotta say, I like the Last Crusade hat the best
I didn't mention them because sorry they aren't Indy Hats. They are nice looking fedoras, but this video is about Indy's hat from the films and they don't look anything like it.
wow great vid my man
what are you doing here
Great video!
Very cool video, I really enjoyed your presentation. John Penman is a great guy and his hats are definitley quality. As far as my choice of Indy hats, Raiders is the one that started it all and is my favorite by far!
Wow, great video that I accidentally came across. Thank you for posting. I like both the Raiders and the Last crusade style. I prefer not to have the turn. Due to cost I’m ordering the Akubra federation IV deluxe from a Hattery in Australia that I’ve dealt with. First class Hattery and they will do the shaping for me. You can’t kill an Akubra hat. They are unbeatable as I can vouch for owning some.
What is your favorite hat ? I'm pending between Raider and Crusade...
I'd like to know witch one you prefer :)
Well you recommend both penman and adventurebilt. But what about the official herbert johnson hat? It can be acquired even easier than the others. What do you think about that?
I got a Stetson temple for my Indy costume. Beautiful hat, and very high quality material. It's a bit expensive, but well worth the money, it ties the whole costume together. I'd say it looks closest to the Last Crusade hat. Got mine off Amazon in like 2 days.
Fantastic Video!!!!!
6:32 epic face
I own a Minnetonka Aussie hat, leather, people mistaken it for the Indiana jones hat all the time, I love it, and wear it like a couch..... so comfortable and its +1 head armor. I go on extreme hikes, and campouts, and it's saved me from all sorts of slices, pokes, and even rain. Check out Minnetonka hats on ebay or something.
Make more videos like that, please!
Can you do a review of the hat used in Crystal Skull? And share with us anything you may know about the next movie in reference to the next Indy Fedora?????
This video is great. The only thing I would add is that to do the Raider's Turn on the fedora, you have to rotate the hat slight forward, and then bash it. Those instructions are covered in John Penman's Raider's bashing tutorial.
THANK YOU for not using Kingdom of the Crappy Story clips. Personal opinions aside, I thought it was funny how the vid attributes the poor box office performance of Temple on the altered style of hat. hahaha. I know, you were just being facetious, but it was really funny, all the same. Nice vid!
Why was ther no of mention
about Screen Capped hats by Brian Lalonde Fedora's ???
11:52 I could almost feel it
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Raiders hat... always and forever.However I like the Last Crusade also..:)
growing up i did not notice the difference in hats. even as i watched this video i thought to myself.... does it really matter?
+CHASE LEANY Yes, it matters to me, simply because I am BOTH a Raiders fan, AND a hat aficionado. However, I certainly understand that most people who are fans of the movie couldn't care less about the hat issue, so I respect your wondering about its importance (or lack thereof).
Depends
Herbert Johnson was loaned original 1980s Poet Fedoras from a private collector. These were all handmade by Richard Swales himself. They are used as physical reference pieces to make their new hats thread for thread. You can not get a more authentic Raiders fedora anywhere online.
Thank You, I thought I was going for the temple of doom hat but now after seeing this video I am going for Raiders.
Raiders is my fave. Great video. Thanks :)
To all the people who are asking about the Akubra Fed IV, just read their own website it says and I quote "The blocks used for this hat are original wooden blocks made by Akubra Hats. They have no pre determined shape. At no stage do we make any claim that this hat is a replica of the Indiana Jones hat as used in the movies. This hat has been made on a set of older hat blocks, and has been left in an "open crown" state allowing customers to shape according to their desire." Screen accurate? No.
It’s been proven that Herbert Johnson never actually lost the hat blocks and I believe that instead they remade new hat blocks because of the need for the hats to have better comfort and to stay on better during stunts. The reason I believe this is what happened, the reason the raiders turn exists is because Ford turned the hat and redid the pinch for stunts as it wouldn’t stop falling off. By twisting it he made the oval while on his head smaller and that would prevent it from falling off. Hence why they would perhaps be asked to redo the hat block for the following films.
I never knew that thanks for telling me!!!!!!
@Sirgromulus Is the Federation iv better then coyles downtowner? im so torn! lol
As an Indiana Jones fan, I'd say that the Fedora from the first Indy film is my favorite, and I became a fan of the Indiana Jones films in 2008.
They still make the Crusade style "Poet." But they aren't really committed to keeping all the details accurate like the other companies I mention. I don't know for sure, but I think they are using a different hat block today from what I've seen.
I also bought a Christies "Adventurer" but these do no withstand our weather. Indeed, on the first day I owned it, I wore it out, and got caught in medium rain, and on arriving home, it looked like an authentic "Poet" all right but in the scene at the beginning of "Raiders" where Harrison Ford comes up out of the water (in badly wilted hat) onto the float of the seaplane. These are only £55 and though they look good it wont stand the weather like a properly made Adventurebilt or Penman.
Eric Watson, of Watson Hat Shop in Phoenix, makes a decent Indy at a good price. I have his grey which I tweaked to a Raiders style with long pinch and the turn. The hat is hare, with a little steam it shaped up just like the original movie fedora. I wear it every day. Expect to get a brown soon.
Dude, is that your real voice? ... Er I mean, nice video. Highly informative: Movie history and some excellent hat buying tips.
Finally I have a Penman Fedora. It's wonderful.
Nice video!
Raiders Hat best one! It is the look you want to have!
Awesome video. I can see you put a lot off editing and research into it.
Great video! My personal favourite is the Last Crusade fedora, currently satisfied by the Todd's Costumes 'Raiders' hat. (A solid choice for $120.) I hope to get a Penman someday though.
(And no, I have no affiliation with Todd, other than being a satisfied customer.)
Great video!
Although, as an avid fedora wearer, I would assume that over the years Indi collected more than one brown hat! I have.
There is the Akubra Federation V which is a great hand made Aussie hat that looks allot like an Indi hat but at a fraction of the price.
You can find one of these at The Hattery in Katoomba (Australia) or on hatsdirect
Seriously though. Awesome video & hat spotting!
Yes, the Hattery. I’ve done business with them. First class all the way any very personal service all the way from Australia to the USA. I’m ordering the federation IV deluxe. It’s a notch higher in quality for an extra $40. Worth it. They are getting a shipment in April and are setting one aside for me in my size.😊 they also pre measure it for an exact fit since we all know sizes can vary a bit from what it says inside. They will also shape it for me.
How is your penman hat holding up now after these years?
Nice clip. I'm an Indy fan, but not excessive. I bought a couple of Fedoras which pleased me, not to copy exactly Indiana Jones. They are more of the temple of doom style. The crown taper looks much better imho than the stove pipe style
Just checked mine - tall straight crown, high pinch. Definitely original. I am well pleased.
I bought a brown filt fedora hat looks much like the indiana one. and it has the same function where you can literally step on it and after that, you just flap it hard and its back to normal. I bought it at a local hat store in my country for only €70
The Raiders Indy Fedora hat. I got The Akubra "Adventurer" Fedor hat.
I really like the Indy style Hats. My papaw use to wear one similar to these style hats. Except the height of the hat didn't look as tall, But the brim size, etc was the same... Would you happen to know where I could get a hat similar to what i'm talking about? I found a hat that looks very close, But it says its made from wool and i'm not sure how great that would be.. Great Vid, Hope for a reply or some info if possible.
Expert video!
really good video do you got your fedora from penman hat co. now?
Mine is a garrisonhatters - handmade and extremely screen accurate! Good price to - check em out!
Good price? $250 for rabbit felt and $450 for beaver felt! Those are expensive prices to me!!!
yep, an original herbert johnson beaver felt hat goes for 650! lol
chalino19 you’re right!!!
Akubra's website states the following about the Fed IV fedora, "They [Fed IV hat block] have no pre determined shape. At no stage do we make any claim that this hat is a replica of the Indiana Jones hat as used in the movies. This hat has been made on a set of older hat blocks, and has been left in an open crown state allowing customers to shape according to their desire." My video is about a screen accurate indy hat, Akubra's isn't, its a generic fedora hat that looks like Indys.
You gotta wear the Indy outfit your way.
Making it your own is the best way.
Bringing it to life with your personality.
I have the grey clipper hat in brown.
So I am authentic but not Poetic.
Hubert Johnson is a savile row tailor. There is a reason why there is no price listed (very expensive. I wouldnt be surprised if it was $1k+)
Nice video.. i love indy's face on 6:31 hahaha
I only deleted ones that appear like "spam," trying to lead people to buy the Fed IV which in my opinion isn't screen accurate. As you can see your comment is still here. If you try to insult me like Sirgromulus did, you will be deleted.
I’m curious how did the studio fix the hat on his head without falling off
@TheSwinny39 i have the adventurer and gave it turn and the raiders bash and makes an amazingly accurate hat, i agree it should have been listed as its the most affordable plus its rediculously accurate.
I love the temple of doom hat the best the one in the plane. In the Indy comics it always looks like the Raiders hat.
Just want to ask why didnt you recommend herbert johnson? since they made the original fedora
Now that the original block has been found by Herbert Johnson, the most accurate hat you could get is from them. They also now do a ‘deep sable rabbit felt’ from the 1980’s so it is floppy like the one in Raiders!
I kinda feel the pinch on the Raiders hat is a little too tight...but to hell with it I like the original the best. The Aussi-ness of it fits well with the wild adventures of Indy.
I heard that since the merger between the Adventurebilt Hat Company and the Pennman Hat Company the missing Indy Hat block was found!!!!! Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring back the Indy Original Hat design from Raiders!!! It may not mean much to many people but to a True Indy Fan it means everything!!!
Don't listen to all these complainers commenting like they know better than you, they're just pissed because they bought a crappy hat.
As someone who is lucky enough to own both an Adventurebilt and a Penman, I have to say they are both equally well made... I prefer to wear my Penman, because I prefer how the sweatband feels/
Wow, my grammar and punctuation in this comment was really atrocious. Yikes.