As a player who favors Shadow Gunner then Fire Gunner, this build is very much the same as my build. The only thing I did not take to consideration is actually disabling Bullet Storm(mainly used to clear mobs a little easier but with Aransu Badge, it's not needed) which is actually something I have to do. They improved Triple Shot to only shooting once instead of 3 times to ready True Shot which is the boost Shadows needed + Dark Abyss just cries out DPS. I honestly have no issue with this guide. It's quick and solid IMO. Nicely done Keroppi.
Thanks Kero! I just came back to the game and had a mini-panic when I couldn't even begin Cold Storage after being able to solo it before. Now my DPS is back to normal lol
but with TAB and C you can use bulletstorm with 0 focus cost, and with semiauto you don't need to reload anymore isn't? EDIT: and with 4 you can manage when bulletstorm kicks in (and make your gunner more "complex")
Undertaker is still 12s cooldown, your Unload is now 2s cooldown instead of 3s of pre-awakening. No matter what first row spec you go, unless you disable Unload (probably not a good move since its additional damage in-between each of your Darkshots), you'll almost always end up in Lightspeed more times than not by just casually doing your rotation of 4TF. I don't see how you will have that many Tabs and C to use during all those Lightspeeds since both of them are on 60s cooldowns. Also Semiautomatic is fine, but not practical unless you know you won't be needing those hooks very much for boss fights. Disabling Bulletstorm just feels like it gives more consistent results from Darkshotting which is your bread and butter. Not to mention everyone knows about the broken/bugged modifiers currently of Awakened Bulletstorms, and Bulletstorms even before patch has always been a skill that's only best used under the conditions that you have party buffs or you need more instantaneous burst in solos.
Thank you a lot! Before i was using bullet storm as my burst and trying to use that to maximize my dps, on my 1.2k ap char i did 180-200k burst and 110-130 dps normally, gotta try my dps with this build tomorrow!
This build suprised me!, Although i do prefer Semi-automatic before Escape Artist. On my parses for 1 hour, i tried to reach 16 mill dmg the quickest, this build was about 20 sec faster (1 min 20 seconds) than my old build which was 1 min and 35 seconds on average. Thank you!
I don't disable bullet storm however I am getting fairly well geared. I don't have focus issues that badly but I do have the TT ring at stage 10. It does buff bullet storm 10% and then I have points in it making a 20% increase to bullet storm. Bullet storm still is good if you manage it and your rotation correctly. I am still using the colossus badge. I tab into light speed at my burst also using moonshine at the start for a better burst and no triple shot until after burst. Then I will go back in bullet storm when it's off cool down and I have V up. V of course procing my VT badge and bracelet. I have tested the Arcana badge and I do 100k less damage with it. Tests done in f12 Moyun with 100 in offense and no buffs. I do 730k with Arcana and 830k with Colossus. (sometimes closer to 900k with good procs on things like weapon stacks ext.) Not having that instant tab on demand sucks. Having to use insanity to have a burst sucks. I really dislike insanity. It stops your dps before you can even use it. That two seconds of wait is very important during burst. The thing to understand is that triple shot has changed. You no longer need three hits of triple shot to proc dark mark. I can tell absolutely no dps loss using it now. It's just 3>F. I do not use it with my burst but I do keep it up with the talent specced for the extra dark mark time then with weapon resets I keep dark mark time up consistently. It doesn't matter with my badge on burst and a lot of extra things wastes my soul proc time. My soul is only tiger 2 so it's not the ten second version. However, keeping it up with the talent after the burst is good and very easy with the changes and talent. The reason people yelled Arcana is because the way triple shot worked you had to use three hits which was a long animation and overall a dps loss. With Arcana you could proc it less often yet have more dark mark time. However with the change to how applying dark mark made that irrelevant. With colossus I can tab on demand, have a decent burst and actually manage my bullet storm and focus issues. In all of my parsing I found the best use of my 15 points is dark shot, regular bullet storm and unload. Unload gets 15% from elemental neck and 10% from points making a 25% increase and it hits hard. (I don't have prophecy neck) 4 really isn't a damage skill but more so light speed management. I use it for management but I use dark shot, unload and bullet storm a lot. It has made the largest dps gains in my testing. The main issue for shadow is that to really do all that well in it you really do need a lot of gear. The focus I go through is insane to the point the TT ring was no less than a 100k dps increase to my numbers. I have mained shadow gunner since pretty much when the class released. I never really liked fire though I do play with it once in a while when bored. Even I tell people like it is. I say look shadow is a very very gear dependent build. If you want to do something serious with it then you have to be willing to work hard and put in a lot of sacrifices getting your gear up. If you don't want to do that then you might get more out of flame build. I have worked very hard getting up to where I am today. *edit to add* I do prefer semi automatic because I do coffin spawner. You got to keep your hooks going for that. Never really lack for hooks and they come back automatically so it's not disruptive to my rotation. It's spoils me.
Thanks for the guide man! In love with the Shadow gunner and this helped me tremendously! Taking your weapon pathing advice as well for later tiers. As of now however I’m sitting at Exalted 5.
Is disabling Bullet Storm still the way to go with the addition of the War Song Soul Badge? On Moonshine you can use skills for 4 seconds regardless of focus and on Scorched Earth you trigger the Songbird effect for 3 seconds which says skills cost no focus. If you combine that with Tombstone I see no reason why to disable Bullet Storm if the 3 skills are managed properly.
Hello which one is better Celestial Emperor Earring - Stage 1 VS Awakened Skybreak Earring - Stage 2 both Shadow pls someone help me understand the earrings specific more
One of the main attributes you should be looking at is the attack power bonus while you attack with the critical buff active. All the other stats are very nice, but this is one of the main things to look at. BT(Skybreak) caps out at 150%, so you'll want to salvage your BT earring for the crux once you have all the materials available to upgrade your TT(Celestial Emperor) ring to the same or higher value. I really hope that if you got a TT earring, that you did not upgrade it past the unrefined stage if you have BT 10+ unsalvaged.
Thank you for this! I only get to play a couple of days a week so trying to figure this out on my own is impossible. Edit: Just tried it out and was finally able to break 1mill dps! you rock man!
Hi Thanks for the great video. Just needed to ask a question. Since I don't use the bulletstorm, can i just use skybreak ring type 1? instead of the type 2 which increases bulletstorm damage? or any other rings that is viable?
Thanks for the guide Kero. Have you tried if you include bullet storm for shadow gunner and switch to lead rain instead of cold blood? I'm just curious since I don't have shadow gunner equips.
it's less dps, best dps build is the one he has but with normal bullet storm active (not awakened one, because that one is bugged), and only do 4f together to control your focus. I do about 20k more DPS (from 490k to 510k) by changing that.
Is this guide still good? i started a gunner like 3 days ago.. and starting to like shadow... i do have a lil less ping than keroppi but still its high... I also have this issue that tapping rmb is faster for me than holding it... idk if its a bug or its just my issue.
random question but is it possible you can tell me how when you use your skills you dont see it showing the animation of you clicking it? i wanna turn this off qq
Hello , i have a question divinity braclet why not added +damage unload skill? Tiger braclet stage 10 added 1000% unload skill. Just bug or what ? Ty for Answer
@@keroppi Just wondering if its better to spread your HM points than put most of it on offense for the bonuses? I get the HM focus for PVE as it gives boss attack power and another stat, but for regen and movement speed, is it better(I only use movement speed when trying to clear circle of sundering, its a pain with high ping)?
and keroppi you used a wrong BT ring... its enhances "bullet storm" and thank you for the build i didnt think it will be better to just disable bullet storm on shadow gunner
@@PsychoZ856 And? it is still the correct one. If he would use the other one it would be useless too. The other ring only enhances the fire unload. Not the shadow unload. Even if the skill is named the same it's not the same skill.
Hey Kero are you able to do a post on shadow/serpent assassin or know any one who has a vid or plays this class....thanks...btw great vids it does help the community XD
ruclips.net/video/R5fR-Jimx3w/видео.html In case you hadn't come across this one yet. Very good breakdown of skill use and rotation. Helped me out a lot.
helped a lot dps hoving around 300-400 for more but then again I not close as op like whales in this game i been using 21212. I didn't disable those 2 i had 5 in darkshot unload an bullet storm. I did lose a lot dps that way but still had high dps but didn't hove around a high number.
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awww thanks so much for the guide *_*) I am so happy to have you here. I was nearly going to give up bns cuz the new skill mod is driving me crazy xD
As a player who favors Shadow Gunner then Fire Gunner, this build is very much the same as my build. The only thing I did not take to consideration is actually disabling Bullet Storm(mainly used to clear mobs a little easier but with Aransu Badge, it's not needed) which is actually something I have to do. They improved Triple Shot to only shooting once instead of 3 times to ready True Shot which is the boost Shadows needed + Dark Abyss just cries out DPS.
I honestly have no issue with this guide. It's quick and solid IMO. Nicely done Keroppi.
Thanks Kero! I just came back to the game and had a mini-panic when I couldn't even begin Cold Storage after being able to solo it before. Now my DPS is back to normal lol
but with TAB and C you can use bulletstorm with 0 focus cost, and with semiauto you don't need to reload anymore isn't?
EDIT: and with 4 you can manage when bulletstorm kicks in (and make your gunner more "complex")
Undertaker is still 12s cooldown, your Unload is now 2s cooldown instead of 3s of pre-awakening. No matter what first row spec you go, unless you disable Unload (probably not a good move since its additional damage in-between each of your Darkshots), you'll almost always end up in Lightspeed more times than not by just casually doing your rotation of 4TF.
I don't see how you will have that many Tabs and C to use during all those Lightspeeds since both of them are on 60s cooldowns.
Also Semiautomatic is fine, but not practical unless you know you won't be needing those hooks very much for boss fights.
Disabling Bulletstorm just feels like it gives more consistent results from Darkshotting which is your bread and butter.
Not to mention everyone knows about the broken/bugged modifiers currently of Awakened Bulletstorms, and Bulletstorms even before patch has always been a skill that's only best used under the conditions that you have party buffs or you need more instantaneous burst in solos.
got it, thanks for the reply!
Thank you a lot! Before i was using bullet storm as my burst and trying to use that to maximize my dps, on my 1.2k ap char i did 180-200k burst and 110-130 dps normally, gotta try my dps with this build tomorrow!
This build suprised me!, Although i do prefer Semi-automatic before Escape Artist. On my parses for 1 hour, i tried to reach 16 mill dmg the quickest, this build was about 20 sec faster (1 min 20 seconds) than my old build which was 1 min and 35 seconds on average. Thank you!
I don't disable bullet storm however I am getting fairly well geared. I don't have focus issues that badly but I do have the TT ring at stage 10. It does buff bullet storm 10% and then I have points in it making a 20% increase to bullet storm. Bullet storm still is good if you manage it and your rotation correctly. I am still using the colossus badge. I tab into light speed at my burst also using moonshine at the start for a better burst and no triple shot until after burst. Then I will go back in bullet storm when it's off cool down and I have V up. V of course procing my VT badge and bracelet. I have tested the Arcana badge and I do 100k less damage with it. Tests done in f12 Moyun with 100 in offense and no buffs. I do 730k with Arcana and 830k with Colossus. (sometimes closer to 900k with good procs on things like weapon stacks ext.) Not having that instant tab on demand sucks. Having to use insanity to have a burst sucks. I really dislike insanity. It stops your dps before you can even use it. That two seconds of wait is very important during burst.
The thing to understand is that triple shot has changed. You no longer need three hits of triple shot to proc dark mark. I can tell absolutely no dps loss using it now. It's just 3>F. I do not use it with my burst but I do keep it up with the talent specced for the extra dark mark time then with weapon resets I keep dark mark time up consistently. It doesn't matter with my badge on burst and a lot of extra things wastes my soul proc time. My soul is only tiger 2 so it's not the ten second version. However, keeping it up with the talent after the burst is good and very easy with the changes and talent.
The reason people yelled Arcana is because the way triple shot worked you had to use three hits which was a long animation and overall a dps loss. With Arcana you could proc it less often yet have more dark mark time. However with the change to how applying dark mark made that irrelevant. With colossus I can tab on demand, have a decent burst and actually manage my bullet storm and focus issues. In all of my parsing I found the best use of my 15 points is dark shot, regular bullet storm and unload. Unload gets 15% from elemental neck and 10% from points making a 25% increase and it hits hard. (I don't have prophecy neck) 4 really isn't a damage skill but more so light speed management. I use it for management but I use dark shot, unload and bullet storm a lot. It has made the largest dps gains in my testing.
The main issue for shadow is that to really do all that well in it you really do need a lot of gear. The focus I go through is insane to the point the TT ring was no less than a 100k dps increase to my numbers. I have mained shadow gunner since pretty much when the class released. I never really liked fire though I do play with it once in a while when bored. Even I tell people like it is. I say look shadow is a very very gear dependent build. If you want to do something serious with it then you have to be willing to work hard and put in a lot of sacrifices getting your gear up. If you don't want to do that then you might get more out of flame build. I have worked very hard getting up to where I am today.
*edit to add*
I do prefer semi automatic because I do coffin spawner. You got to keep your hooks going for that. Never really lack for hooks and they come back automatically so it's not disruptive to my rotation. It's spoils me.
Thanks for the guide man! In love with the Shadow gunner and this helped me tremendously! Taking your weapon pathing advice as well for later tiers. As of now however I’m sitting at Exalted 5.
Note that with Soulburn in the party, skill points should be in Darkshot, Awakened Darkshot, and then Undertaker.
Is disabling Bullet Storm still the way to go with the addition of the War Song Soul Badge? On Moonshine you can use skills for 4 seconds regardless of focus and on Scorched Earth you trigger the Songbird effect for 3 seconds which says skills cost no focus. If you combine that with Tombstone I see no reason why to disable Bullet Storm if the 3 skills are managed properly.
Hello which one is better Celestial Emperor Earring - Stage 1 VS Awakened Skybreak Earring - Stage 2 both Shadow
pls someone help me understand the earrings specific more
One of the main attributes you should be looking at is the attack power bonus while you attack with the critical buff active. All the other stats are very nice, but this is one of the main things to look at. BT(Skybreak) caps out at 150%, so you'll want to salvage your BT earring for the crux once you have all the materials available to upgrade your TT(Celestial Emperor) ring to the same or higher value. I really hope that if you got a TT earring, that you did not upgrade it past the unrefined stage if you have BT 10+ unsalvaged.
Thanks for this video! I was just recently thinking of switching shadow.
What are those purple shots? I can't see them in my shadow gunner. It's a leg badge effect?
Thank you for this! I only get to play a couple of days a week so trying to figure this out on my own is impossible. Edit: Just tried it out and was finally able to break 1mill dps! you rock man!
Hi Thanks for the great video. Just needed to ask a question. Since I don't use the bulletstorm, can i just use skybreak ring type 1? instead of the type 2 which increases bulletstorm damage?
or any other rings that is viable?
Keroppi what about colossus badge?
Nice vid can you do poison assassin or lightening blade dancer pls ?
Thanks for the guide Kero. Have you tried if you include bullet storm for shadow gunner and switch to lead rain instead of cold blood? I'm just curious since I don't have shadow gunner equips.
it's less dps, best dps build is the one he has but with normal bullet storm active (not awakened one, because that one is bugged), and only do 4f together to control your focus. I do about 20k more DPS (from 490k to 510k) by changing that.
Is this guide still good? i started a gunner like 3 days ago.. and starting to like shadow... i do have a lil less ping than keroppi but still its high...
I also have this issue that tapping rmb is faster for me than holding it... idk if its a bug or its just my issue.
@@keroppi tnx for your response
random question but is it possible you can tell me how when you use your skills you dont see it showing the animation of you clicking it? i wanna turn this off qq
@@keroppi ah dang thanks for letting me know hopefully i can find what does it the constant click click can irritate me sometimes
Hello , i have a question divinity braclet why not added +damage unload skill? Tiger braclet stage 10 added 1000% unload skill. Just bug or what ? Ty for Answer
@@keroppi Ty for fast answer, and help. :)
Amazing vid, any chance we could get a frost soul fighter post awakening?
Well, to me the Shadow gunner feel more cowboy like while Fire gunner is holding the grenade launcher.
Oh my realms. Thank you so much for this guide.
What's your character stat points for your gunner?
@@keroppi Thank you sir.
@@keroppi Just wondering if its better to spread your HM points than put most of it on offense for the bonuses? I get the HM focus for PVE as it gives boss attack power and another stat, but for regen and movement speed, is it better(I only use movement speed when trying to clear circle of sundering, its a pain with high ping)?
@@keroppi Gotcha. thanks for the quick reply!
and keroppi you used a wrong BT ring... its enhances "bullet storm" and thank you for the build i didnt think it will be better to just disable bullet storm on shadow gunner
The ring that enhances bulletstorm is the shadow/undertaker ring. So it is the correct one. The fire ring enhances unload.
@@tobiasl.726 yeah but the bullet storm isn't used in he's build so this ring is useless
@@PsychoZ856 And? it is still the correct one. If he would use the other one it would be useless too. The other ring only enhances the fire unload. Not the shadow unload. Even if the skill is named the same it's not the same skill.
@@tobiasl.726 oh... well... I'm playing B&S for about 1 month I didn't know this is how it goes 😐
Hey Kero are you able to do a post on shadow/serpent assassin or know any one who has a vid or plays this class....thanks...btw great vids it does help the community XD
@@keroppi do any of your friends play as shadow sin?i would love to hear their thoughts on it....if none its all fine thanks Kero.
ruclips.net/video/R5fR-Jimx3w/видео.html In case you hadn't come across this one yet. Very good breakdown of skill use and rotation. Helped me out a lot.
What does the Corruption skill do?
Please can you do the frost lyn warden guide?
I don't think Undertaker Build is broken it is pretty much an upgrade for me. Apart from Blade Dancer, I enjoy both specs on my gunner.
keroppi, What cpu + gpu u have ?
helped a lot dps hoving around 300-400 for more but then again I not close as op like whales in this game i been using 21212. I didn't disable those 2 i had 5 in darkshot unload an bullet storm. I did lose a lot dps that way but still had high dps but didn't hove around a high number.
Maybe I did something wrong with my build. When I compared the builds the other day, fire did about 200k more damage than shadow.
Ok so why exactly do u disable tombstone ?
ahhh ok i see thank you mister keroppi
He disabled Bulletstorn, not Tombstone.
is the easy mode worth on the gunner?
@@keroppi thank you :>
Gunner = hugggggge dps with no mech💖
Have you seen the new BM 3rd spec.
That shit is even more nuts than a Gunner right now
Wind kfm next kero owo
nice
Do u know the macro for it ??
@@keroppi ty man