Reverse emulating the NES to give it SUPER POWERS!

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  • Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
  • The video begins in a strange way and gets stranger, but then, ideally, you understand why.
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  • @SoulSukkur
    @SoulSukkur 6 лет назад +2532

    BREAKING: Man uses NES to play NES game, but wrong

    • @Coldethel123456
      @Coldethel123456 5 лет назад +102

      Now THATS comedy!

    • @johneygd
      @johneygd 5 лет назад +10

      I absolutely don’t believe him at all , he’s got to be joking ,the video at the end cannot be from an actual nes ,framebuffering those respbarry pie images from a snes emulator, am mean it just can’t be real.

    • @connorm6916
      @connorm6916 5 лет назад +56

      @@johneygd the nes allows 25 simultaneous colors. People have done insane shit on this system such as a basic raycaster and a high quality song loop.

    • @1e1001
      @1e1001 4 года назад +5

      @@connorm6916 didnt he say 13 tho

    • @ASAN2042
      @ASAN2042 2 года назад +2

      Didn't take you 22 minutes to get to your punch line like it did this poor fella🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @gojohnson2511
    @gojohnson2511 Год назад +326

    Using an NES as a PowerPoint presentation is a power move I can respect

    • @matsv201
      @matsv201 9 месяцев назад +8

      if he only used the power glove

  • @TheGrooseIsLoose
    @TheGrooseIsLoose 5 лет назад +4086

    If anyone ever questions the legitimacy of your PhD, just give them a link to this video, which aims to tell a joke, so you start by defining definitions of existing terminology around jokes, and then you go on to define a new type of joke so that you may later produce an example fitting this new definition. You definitely have a PhD.

    • @pacomatic9833
      @pacomatic9833 3 года назад +49

      Pin this

    • @CallMeTess
      @CallMeTess 3 года назад +253

      You missed the fact that by starting the joke by explaining the joke, it also fit the criteria of this new category of joke.

    • @polus2494
      @polus2494 3 года назад +25

      @Esteban Toby It worked! I managed to hack your girlfriend's Instagram account. Thanks man!

    • @alkestos
      @alkestos 2 года назад +18

      Anti-anti-anti-joke

    • @StiekemeHenk
      @StiekemeHenk 2 года назад

      PhD or autism?

  • @isaacgutierrez139
    @isaacgutierrez139 3 года назад +429

    I feel like this is the type of thing you'd show a person to prove you're a time traveler.

    • @joda7697
      @joda7697 11 месяцев назад +13

      Oh my god can you imagine giving someone that cartridge at a time when the nintendo entertainment system _just_ came out? What i wouldn't give to see the recipient's face.

    • @seanhunt138
      @seanhunt138 5 месяцев назад +3

      If you time travel you will end up in space.

    • @guesswho2778
      @guesswho2778 2 месяца назад +2

      @@seanhunt138 you must be fun at parties.

  • @evandavis5223
    @evandavis5223 6 лет назад +1957

    Running SNES games on a NES is just awesome. Running NES emulator software on the NES hardware? Now THAT's funny.

    • @santumChannelYes
      @santumChannelYes 6 лет назад +6

      yes

    • @radry100
      @radry100 6 лет назад +56

      It's running on the raspberry pi. The nintendo is just handling the graphic output.

    • @Membrane556
      @Membrane556 6 лет назад +59

      He was using the NES as a display by reprogramming the character set/tiles on the fly since it doesn't have a true frame buffer.

    • @PixyEm
      @PixyEm 6 лет назад +35

      Know what would be funnier? Going one step deeper, emulating an NES emulating an NES

    • @B-System
      @B-System 6 лет назад +2

      And that's way the fuck more interesting.

  • @ferna2294
    @ferna2294 5 лет назад +929

    You basically created something incredible and added about 50 metaphors and possible future technology. You are a genius.

    • @tr3vk4m
      @tr3vk4m 4 года назад +21

      Agreed. Novel and creative thinking combined with the tenacity and capacity to realise his ideas.

  • @joaomiranda6364
    @joaomiranda6364 5 лет назад +195

    this video turned out way weirder and cooler than I thought it would before I clicked on it

  • @tnr.o.d.4236
    @tnr.o.d.4236 3 года назад +851

    I’ve been emulating hardware for years and I must say this is one the coolest feats of emulation I’ve ever seen.

    • @garystinten9339
      @garystinten9339 2 года назад

      Get your ass over to MiSTer.. please

    • @goomygaming980
      @goomygaming980 Год назад +3

      This is obviously reverse emulation

    • @Poldovico
      @Poldovico Год назад +20

      the virgin software-emulated hardware vs the chad hardware-emulated software.

    • @JSSMVCJR2.1
      @JSSMVCJR2.1 Год назад +2

      @@Poldovico No to all you wrote.

    • @Poldovico
      @Poldovico Год назад

      @@JSSMVCJR2.1 whatever

  • @draconite
    @draconite 5 лет назад +3173

    So what you're saying is you can run DOOM on the NES.

    • @Oxxyjoe
      @Oxxyjoe 5 лет назад +129

      My toaster can run nasa. But it won't. It's too UPPITY

    • @robler64
      @robler64 5 лет назад +48

      What about Quake

    • @ricarleite
      @ricarleite 5 лет назад +177

      Technically he can run SM64 on it. If it runs on a raspberry pi, it can run on the NES.
      He is running the game on the Pi, and just rendering the image.

    • @Oxxyjoe
      @Oxxyjoe 5 лет назад +32

      @@ricarleite well, that doesn't sound amazing really at all. I mean I'm certainly not able to take a soldering iron to anything without breaking it myself, but just saying, you make it seem like all he's doing is inserting a bad, pixelly filter using a nes. Ah well

    • @Ashnal
      @Ashnal 5 лет назад +180

      @@Oxxyjoe Essentially that is what it is. It's running the game on super hardware, and using the console as a glorified input/output medium. That said, there is a LOT of genius in getting the NES to display these things smoothly.

  • @Ben-do1bf
    @Ben-do1bf 5 лет назад +955

    The controller bits being the same was probably because the SNES was originally planned to be compatible with NES games but that was removed to lower costs.

    • @RocMegamanX
      @RocMegamanX 5 лет назад +44

      That's a spirit breaker.

    • @Ben-do1bf
      @Ben-do1bf 5 лет назад +16

      @@RocMegamanX Yeah its a shame.

    • @poble
      @poble 4 года назад +8

      it's also worth noting that the snes has a 65816, which is basically a 16-bit version of the 6502 (which was used on the nes), which further proves that nintendo planned backwards compatibility

    • @tobbeborislyba
      @tobbeborislyba 4 года назад +17

      You have any info regarding snes playing nes games? I remember looking into a prototype photo or aomething like that

    • @mrb692
      @mrb692 4 года назад +16

      Alpha Doge I know RGMechEx mentioned that in his overview of how the SNES controller works, but for info beyond that I’d ask google about a backwards compatible SNES

  • @tremorlok6659
    @tremorlok6659 4 года назад +199

    Most of the technical bits were over my head, but the idea of using our own memories to bootstrap advanced functions is so otherworldly that the sci-fi practically writes itself.

    • @Prima10ne
      @Prima10ne Год назад +17

      did you actually watch this video 2 years ago? Or did you brain just bootstrap the contents into your memory on the fly whilst you sit in a vat of pickle juice?

  • @Anafyral666
    @Anafyral666 5 лет назад +630

    Man disliking eating a boot: understandable
    Man liking eating a boot: ok
    Mario eating a boot: that could be funny
    Samus eating a tide pod: literally lol'd

    • @rpgaholic8202
      @rpgaholic8202 3 года назад +43

      Well, the boot was a metaphor for a really tough steak anyways. The disheveled man crying eating a boot is him realizing he got a horrible steak and powering through eating it because he's starving otherwise. The wealthy man eating the boot is him being a snob and saying "if you haven't eaten a steak this way, you've not truly lived" or some other such nonsense. Mario eating a boot happens all the time when he's jumped on by enemies anyways, and Samus eating a Tide Pod is just downright hilarious, no explanation needed.

    • @alakani
      @alakani 3 года назад +33

      ​@@rpgaholic8202 I thought the hilarious part was that the poorest people used to still be able to afford bad steaks before Reagan told everybody that wage slavery is cool, and now I'm still paying off loans for a steak I ate in 2006 while people tell me how much harder things used to be and that I should just eat cardboard

    • @supermaster2012
      @supermaster2012 3 года назад +8

      @@alakani you're in debt because of Obongo, don't blame Reagan for it.

    • @kjl3080
      @kjl3080 2 года назад +8

      @@rpgaholic8202 the explanation is that Sami’s eating a tide pod is an anachronism, and the juxtaposition creates humor

    • @martinkrauser4029
      @martinkrauser4029 2 года назад +12

      @@alakani USAian wages have only risen to match inflation, ie. stagnated in real terms, as early as the mid 70s. Reagan sure helped keep it that way, but it's not this one guy's fault. The capitalist system is failing to reward the actual creators of value and is instead accumulating capital with the business owners - and it can't work in any other way, because why else would capital owners invest in a business.

  • @SpurdoMaltese
    @SpurdoMaltese 5 лет назад +1162

    "But first, we have to talk about parallel universes"

    • @slowgaffle
      @slowgaffle 5 лет назад +19

      thats a deep cut

    • @edhc44
      @edhc44 5 лет назад +38

      I bet Tom can perform 1/10 of a button press

    • @rexpro02
      @rexpro02 5 лет назад +4

      best comment in youtube XDDD you sir, made my day.

    • @ForBreadAndFish
      @ForBreadAndFish 4 года назад +2

      @@edhc44 Playstation controller buttons have multiple analog states, I don't know about 10, but it can be done :^)

    • @Gazzoosethe1
      @Gazzoosethe1 3 года назад +3

      MARIOS, KING KOOPA HAS KIDNAPPED THE PEACH AND STOLE MY EGGS.

  • @JarrenRocks
    @JarrenRocks 5 лет назад +814

    Modifying past technology with new technology is a very interesting 'artificial nostalgia' or 'augmented nostalgia'
    Vaporwave, lofi, and this project are ways that we're essentially creating a new future, using intentionally old parts. I'm interested in seeing this 'niche' develop as time goes on.
    Truly loved this video.

    • @ariss3304
      @ariss3304 4 года назад +13

      Jarren Horrocks this phenomenon isn’t new, it’s existed since the demo scene

    • @eliel1815shadow
      @eliel1815shadow Год назад +1

      @@ariss3304 demo scene? What do you mean?

    • @lilpumpupthejam9302
      @lilpumpupthejam9302 Год назад +5

      @@eliel1815shadow demo scene is a scene of people that make homebrew video games, soundtracks, art, etc with video game systems - they've been doing it since atari 2600 and before that too

    • @Prima10ne
      @Prima10ne Год назад

      its kinda loop on how we all got here isnt it.

    • @thedarkenigma3834
      @thedarkenigma3834 Год назад +1

      It's called retrofitting.

  • @IONATVS
    @IONATVS 2 года назад +70

    As I understood it “blowing on the cartridge” was the folk remedy for ANY case where a cartridge failed to boot, whether from a CIC verification error & reset accompanied by the blinking light and error message or an actual problem of the cartridge not making proper contact with the slot connector contacts-blowing wasn’t a good solution to the problem, but that problem existed even without the CIC chip, and without any checks would allow the game to run with tons of glitches caused by bad reads and the like. The CIC was added for antipiracy reasons, and could be overzealous in doing that job, but if a legit cartridge wasn’t booting, SOMETHING was clearly wrong with how it was connecting to the console so just ignoring that and letting the game run anyway instead of throwing and error and writing “try cleaning the contacts or call Nintendo support” in the troubleshooting part of the manual would be a major QA problem.

    • @Resonantfate
      @Resonantfate Год назад +8

      Yeah, it occured to me as I was reading your comment that the "blow into the cartridge" meme seems like an elaborate way to trick people into reseating the cartridge and trying again. Pretty much like modern rebooting. "did you reboot it?" "OF COURSE I DID!" (they didn't).

    • @_NekOz
      @_NekOz Год назад +1

      ​​@@Resonantfate Ye. I always make sure to specifically ask if they held down the power button on the "hard disk" as some elder folks refer to the PC for 10 seconds before turning it on again.
      Most of the time, it just works. Happy client equals happy IT technician.

  • @computersocsci
    @computersocsci 3 года назад +142

    OH my god, I've been thinking for years about this idea of feeding something smarter than a cartridge into original NES hardware (but I have no CE skills whatsoever)! Awesome video!

    • @Longbowgun
      @Longbowgun 2 года назад +12

      They did this with the Atari 2600. A cart fed RAM data with a cassette tape: tapes were cheaper than ROMs (at the time). THE STARPATH SUPERCHARGER!

    • @LemonbreadSC
      @LemonbreadSC 2 года назад +7

      dwarf fortress fan

    • @chickemns1304
      @chickemns1304 2 года назад +3

      Nice pfp

    • @LutraLovegood
      @LutraLovegood Год назад

      @@Longbowgun And with a few other consoles too, like the 32X for the Megadrive. Even the N64 had an add-on that was used for some games. But this stopped with the PlayStation and the PlayStation One, after that we only got smaller versions of the same console or upgraded versions of it.

  • @neozoan
    @neozoan 6 лет назад +166

    ... Nintendo Power Point - I'm going to guess this whole concept was inspired by the desire to tell that joke. :-)

  • @maurinavoni6925
    @maurinavoni6925 6 лет назад +519

    please port Skyrim to NES and fulfill Bethesda's dream.

    • @ianthornsburg338
      @ianthornsburg338 6 лет назад +15

      YES YES YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    • @stefanschmidt5186
      @stefanschmidt5186 6 лет назад +23

      FUS RETRO DAAAAAAA

    • @KingLich451
      @KingLich451 6 лет назад +1

      no

    • @Batavia2000
      @Batavia2000 6 лет назад +13

      It just works.

    • @yushatak
      @yushatak 6 лет назад +17

      Easiest way would be to stream it to the Pi and show it on the NES, but the hardware wouldn't really be running it, nor would even the cartridge hardware - however, you could hook the NES controller up to the PC through the Pi's networking and a custom driver on the PC. ;3

  • @bartkl
    @bartkl 3 года назад +130

    I revisited this after a year or so, and I honestly still consider this a work of art. Very cool idea but no less important is the details of presentation and philosophy.

  • @BlueTelevisionGames
    @BlueTelevisionGames 4 года назад +549

    This was fun to watch.

    • @Eschelaun
      @Eschelaun 3 года назад +2

      Eh love your channel, cool to see you around!

    • @DeusVult838
      @DeusVult838 3 года назад +1

      Hi Darby! Your one of my favorite you tubers!

    • @tauon_
      @tauon_ 3 года назад +1

      Ayy

    • @bikeh
      @bikeh 3 года назад +1

      Ha!

    • @Trippsy05
      @Trippsy05 3 года назад +1

      I watched BTG videos when I was younger. Completely forgot they existed.

  • @CrashFan03
    @CrashFan03 6 лет назад +347

    You should put Super Mario All Stars on this baby so we can come full circle.

  • @ScottPaladin
    @ScottPaladin 6 лет назад +312

    This was a slow burn but at the 17 minute mark I actually burst out laughing. I really appreciate the work you put into this.

    • @umageddon
      @umageddon 6 лет назад +7

      Scott Paladin your avatar is your... beard... ?

    • @jedihunter176
      @jedihunter176 6 лет назад +21

      I feel completely...whelmed.
      Like it's funny, I didn't laugh, but it's a slowly metabolizing joke, like refried beans.

    • @achtsekundenfurz7876
      @achtsekundenfurz7876 2 года назад

      10:18 for me. Mother🍆er!

  • @miguel0n338
    @miguel0n338 5 лет назад +56

    Holy crap! This is so much more than a joke. I know enough 6502 Assembly to know that's a ridiculous amount of work! Nice job! :)

  • @andriypredmyrskyy7791
    @andriypredmyrskyy7791 5 лет назад +33

    still the most underrated channel ever.

  • @SianaGearz
    @SianaGearz 6 лет назад +323

    You don't have to harvest CIC chips, you can now make new ones, it's fully reverse engineered. There's an ATTiny13A firmware that emulates it, AVRCIC. You can even buy ones from someone who's luckier than you at programming fusebits, something like $5 from a place that sells repro cartridge supplies.
    Also if it was my NES, i would have just opened it up and lifted the reset pin from internal CIC. Nobody needs that thing. But then, i understand that you want it to be specifically an "unmodified" NES, so I C.
    I have a hard time believing Pi isn't fast enough for Nintendo cartridge bus, it must be just system overhead. You'll probably have more luck with a kernel driver than with a user space write. Otherwise, ATMega, STM32, something like that? You can make the timing crisp and correct, you can do it. Maybe i should do it.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  6 лет назад +79

      I'm writing directly to the memory mapped registers on the BCM chip (even disabling memory barriers), so I think this is as fast as it gets? It may just not be designed for MHz GPIO. An embedded microcontroller is surely the right way to go, but it's very appealing to have ssh and all my development tools on the machine itself. Lesson learned!

    • @RichardAssar
      @RichardAssar 6 лет назад +27

      Is the PI running a realtime kernel? medium.com/@metebalci/latency-of-raspberry-pi-3-on-standard-and-real-time-linux-4-9-kernel-2d9c20704495
      I'm also thinking github.com/bugblat/pif might be an interesting approach.

    • @samgentle
      @samgentle 6 лет назад +24

      Might be worth looking into a BeagleBone - the Black and the PocketBeagle both have two 400MHz onboard "PRU" microcontrollers with predictable timing that are specifically intended for bitbanging and other shenanigans.
      PS I wonder if you could do this trick in reverse by getting an emulator to read the ROM from a special file (FUSE or network mount or something similar) that changes while being read?

    • @DerTabak
      @DerTabak 6 лет назад +9

      I think at least for the latency you could just write a kernel driver which uses the GPIO pin as an interrupt and bitbangs some data. Not sure what the latency is there but it is worth a try, since then you could get rid of the prediction. Also from a kernel driver you can disable interrupts for a core at your own discretion while bitbanging stuff outside of the interrupt handler (if you need it).

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 6 лет назад +21

      The 6502 family is notoriously demanding and finicky for memory access speeds.
      Since you're emulating the system bus, you have to keep up with the CPU (and PPU, since in the NES that has it's own bus in the cartridge) or things go badly wrong.
      Most flash cart developers have found microcontrollers can't keep up.
      Someone was trying to develop one for SNES, but even though the maximum speed on the cartridge bus is 3.58 mhz, for various reasons they found that even a 100 mhz CPU was nowhere close to being able to keep up if it had to feed the bus in realtime.
      This is why pretty much every flash cart ever uses an FPGA. Those can be optimised to do the bus transfers with the proper timing without much hassle, where for a microprocessor or the like it's a really tricky bit of realtime coding.
      Even if you can get it working, the timing of it means you'll struggle to do much else at the same time, even on a very fast processor.

  • @gkcs
    @gkcs 6 лет назад +260

    7:20 OMG!
    Every half a year or so, I feel glad I subscribed to you :D

  • @Sinn0100
    @Sinn0100 3 года назад +27

    Your giving the Nes blast processing! Your work is quite good and I encourage you to make demos showing what the Nes can do. There are contests all over the world that do this. I have witnessed both the Nes and Master System do things that would blow your mind. Look up the witch running on the Master System. It's basically an FMV that wouldn't look out of place on say...a PS2. I saw this as any higher and you hit a wall with resolution. It's like a full 3-4 minute FMV with heavy trance and house music playing. Check it out as I think you sir, have the chops to compete.
    Addendum- I have watched a guy run Doom through the Nes...I believe it's a Raspberry Pi running through the Nes's PPU.

  • @KarldorisLambley
    @KarldorisLambley Год назад +4

    'i'll need some resistors or somethng, I am not totally naive about this', was the funniest thing I have encountered for months'

  • @veda-powered
    @veda-powered 5 лет назад +81

    You can actually plug an snes controller into an nes with just a passive adapter, then you can just change the controller read loop on the nes to read in 16 bits, the last four of which will be constant (I think it’s %0001.)

    • @ts4gv
      @ts4gv 2 месяца назад

      less elegant

  • @hitmanbobina4767
    @hitmanbobina4767 6 лет назад +95

    "in case you're wondering, the reason this is funny..."
    you got me
    it was unexpected that you would be so nonchalant about it xD

    • @rawtrout3402
      @rawtrout3402 5 лет назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💯💯💯💯💯💯👌👌👌

  • @trbr6705
    @trbr6705 5 лет назад +46

    use a toploader NES, no CIC chip. or just jump pin 4 to ground.

  • @Jophish126
    @Jophish126 2 года назад +2

    love catching glimpses of your raw devotion to gesticulating to the crt whenever a black frame comes along

  • @DamianReloaded
    @DamianReloaded 6 лет назад +66

    You gotta do a TED talk using only this 14' TV (20'?), remotely from your bedroom. Wearing shorts.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  6 лет назад +39

      I actually did give this talk (or something pretty close) in Seattle last week in an opera hall at a conference called Deconstruct. It was a 40' screen! :)

  • @queebles
    @queebles 5 лет назад +36

    You gave me the expectation that this would be funny and then you violated that expectation. Hilarious...

  • @josemembreno3134
    @josemembreno3134 2 года назад +3

    this is one of the most surreal videos i have ever seen. the utter strangeness of the beginning. the roundabout way everything is said and explained in. the utter refusal to call the NES anything other than "a nintendo" despite this person seeming way too young to be calling it that. the completely plain and matter-of-fact manner of speaking and telling jokes. to top it all off, it's just got lots of technical info i don't fully understand.
    this video has it all!

  • @casperdewith
    @casperdewith Год назад +4

    Wow. I was blown away as soon as I saw the ‘Nintendo presents’ screen. Insane! Good explanation. You show mastery of your craft!

  • @VictorCampos87
    @VictorCampos87 6 лет назад +195

    16:44 English is not my native language. So let me understand. *He put a Raspberry Pi 3 inside a NES cartridge and made it run the Super Mario World for SNES on the original NES hardware?* Is it? If yes it's amazing!

    • @gytux0258
      @gytux0258 5 лет назад +24

      +Vikrinox The NES does a little more than simply show an image from the pi from what i understand. It also renders it.

    • @paulstelian97
      @paulstelian97 4 года назад +9

      @@gytux0258 The CPU side does rather little. The graphics chip (PPU) takes and renders everything.

    • @DoomRater
      @DoomRater 4 года назад +5

      To be more speciifc, one of the jobs of the CPU is to handle the controller buffer. Because all the buttons on the NES are actually buffered and read into the console one bit at a time.

    • @20thcenturydenzel_alt
      @20thcenturydenzel_alt 3 года назад +2

      NO. He put the actual raspberry pie on the NES cartridge!

    • @Sh-hg8kf
      @Sh-hg8kf 3 года назад

      But how does the ppu render so many colors? It can only display a max of 16 colors at any time right?

  • @finaltheorygames1781
    @finaltheorygames1781 6 лет назад +22

    So your telling me that your rasberry pie in your NES cart is like the SA-1 chip in an SNES cart. In other words you created an off the shelf enhancement "chip" for NES cartridges. You are a legend!!!

  • @timothyschonberger1198
    @timothyschonberger1198 4 года назад +10

    Love this! As far as I remember, the SNES controller uses the same shift register as the NES, but two of them instead. Likely, they put Y, B, L, and R on the 2nd one.

  • @outsider344
    @outsider344 2 года назад +2

    "and that's all I've got for you..." Possibly the greatest understatement I have ever seen.

  • @xreev0x
    @xreev0x 5 лет назад +21

    Wow! You actually made me feel not nerdy enough. This was one of the most impressive technical feats I have seen. Great work, man! I cannot express how impressed I am.

    • @alexjohnward
      @alexjohnward 5 лет назад +1

      have you seen flappy bird on super mario world?

  • @sinom
    @sinom 5 лет назад +17

    So I just found this video again after about a year and I still love it and find it confusingly amazing.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  5 лет назад +5

      Sinom yay!

  • @ukee31
    @ukee31 Год назад

    Love your insight at the end about some actual useful applications for this technology. Its funny the whole way thru then very insightful! yay

  • @OGBuddah
    @OGBuddah 5 лет назад +2

    That was quite interesting. I can't even imagine the work that went into creating that, not even considering the time it took to pull those thoughts and put them together in a means to convey them. Regardless it is much appreciated.

  • @whatsf2
    @whatsf2 6 лет назад +71

    if you went back to the 80s and showed a gamer the 3D-ified Zelda at 0:12 , I wonder what they’d say

  • @JohnRiggs
    @JohnRiggs 6 лет назад +152

    Oh my dear lord, that's brilliant.

    • @otesunki
      @otesunki 5 лет назад

      Hi John Riggs!

  • @binkythecat457
    @binkythecat457 2 года назад

    This was really impressive. Good job man.

  • @justkarkat9575
    @justkarkat9575 6 лет назад +70

    This video is absolutely amazing, not only is it technically very interesting, it is interesting in general. Would love to see more like this!

    • @tom7
      @tom7  6 лет назад +7

      Thank you! :)

    • @christopherhurley2570
      @christopherhurley2570 6 лет назад

      Seriously this is fantastic, I hope you keep screwing with cartridge reverse emulating for other systems, or just more of this, I can't get enough.

  • @TheGerkuman
    @TheGerkuman 6 лет назад +9

    The set-up is golden. You get six minutes in, and suddenly it clicks into place. Well done.

  • @danieldorn2927
    @danieldorn2927 5 лет назад +16

    This kinda reminds me of the Full Motion Video fad in the 90's

  • @WellManNerd
    @WellManNerd Год назад

    This is wild. Amazing work!

  • @MagnumForce51
    @MagnumForce51 6 лет назад +295

    Now you should run Genesis games on that.... Wrong system games being played on the wrong generation hardware. :D

    • @mariannmariann2052
      @mariannmariann2052 5 лет назад +37

      What about Saturn/N64 games on an SNES? Wrong system, wrong generation, wrong dimensional game.

    • @knownas2017
      @knownas2017 5 лет назад +39

      @@mariannmariann2052 F*** it.
      Play Grand Theft Auto 5 on the NES

    • @MrSethamessiah
      @MrSethamessiah 5 лет назад +1

      That would be funny.

    • @s.moorefilms3760
      @s.moorefilms3760 5 лет назад +39

      Nintendo does what nintendont.

    • @ExtremeWreck
      @ExtremeWreck 3 года назад +3

      @@knownas2017 Nah dude, Crysis on Fairchild Channel F.

  • @rileyrobin2
    @rileyrobin2 5 лет назад +6

    Absolutely brilliant! Big fan of your comedic timing and mad, mad science.

  • @Prizzim
    @Prizzim Год назад

    This is the most creative yt video I’ve seen in a while, definitely stands out

  • @nickelpickel1997
    @nickelpickel1997 2 года назад

    This was beautiful. Presentation, the presentation, the joke, everything!

  • @JohnZyski
    @JohnZyski 5 лет назад +801

    If your humor were any drier, it would evaporate.

    • @error.418
      @error.418 5 лет назад +42

      The ocean evaporates all day every day... and it's pretty wet...

    • @italliancanadiancommunist4556
      @italliancanadiancommunist4556 5 лет назад +51

      And then I said that's not a camel, that's my wife.

    • @cornoc
      @cornoc 5 лет назад +7

      and then i said that's not the saharan desert, no, that is my sense of humor

    • @kidyomu89
      @kidyomu89 5 лет назад +19

      So is good humor *wet* humor? Thanks, now when I smell good humor, I'll know the proper thing to say is "Hahah, that joke was sopping wet!".

    • @cornoc
      @cornoc 5 лет назад

      @@kidyomu89 haha thanks

  • @HayleyMitrano1
    @HayleyMitrano1 5 лет назад +8

    As a heads up, The space in the cart is from when they initally shipped famicom pinout boards with a converter board to US 72 pin inside. These can be harvested to let you play famicom games on a toploader.

  • @1kreature
    @1kreature 2 года назад +2

    This is just beautiful!
    I am sure some realtime coding in linux can improve the timing issues, unless you already have (it being so long ago).

  • @TK-wz1io
    @TK-wz1io Год назад

    Wow man congratulations on doing this. Very interesting. I subscribed because I would like to see more progress.

  • @joshyelon1386
    @joshyelon1386 6 лет назад +9

    I watched this twice because I felt like I was right on the edge of learning something important... and I'm not sure what it is. I gotta say, though, this is nuts amount of work.

  • @CreapyNinja
    @CreapyNinja 6 лет назад +3

    This is one of the most interesting videos and projects I've ever seen. I love the brain interface idea at the end. Subscribed.

  • @RedstoneHair
    @RedstoneHair Год назад

    Bro, creativity 1000% I like that!

  • @greatguy2003
    @greatguy2003 2 года назад

    Quite an amazing video. You are brilliant. Thank you.

  • @RobertMilesAI
    @RobertMilesAI 6 лет назад +751

    Hah, NES games are more expensive than SNES games? What an amusingly improper hierarchy!

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 6 лет назад +48

      And Super Famicom games are an order of magnitude cheaper than their western (European or US) equivalents.
      US game? $300. Japanese equivalent? Eh. $15

    • @askhowiknow5527
      @askhowiknow5527 6 лет назад +12

      Also that isn’t a hierarchy...

    • @jsrodman
      @jsrodman 6 лет назад +11

      Ho ho ho, how improper!

    • @teamhex
      @teamhex 6 лет назад +8

      Not an improper hierarchy. Rarity and demand are the driving factor. Logically people from the NES era have more money than the SNES era(my people).

    • @matthewb9932
      @matthewb9932 6 лет назад +1

      Jake Bishop
      Whom'st DOM?

  • @TheRestartPoint
    @TheRestartPoint 5 лет назад +14

    Fascinating stuff, it reminds me of the Chinese SNES accessory that enables you to play Mega Drive games on it, but that's a lot simpler in operation, basically just a cart containing a Mega Drive on a chip, that draws power from the SNES and reads the pads, and has it's own AV output.

  • @Luke_Stoltenberg
    @Luke_Stoltenberg Год назад +1

    I think I get recommended this once every year. It's still awesome

  • @Rosalies_
    @Rosalies_ 7 месяцев назад

    This is insane. Can’t believe I’ve been sleeping on this channel, Dr.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  7 месяцев назад

      Like I always say: Never sleep

  • @lan._.
    @lan._. 6 лет назад +4

    Super impressive work! I love your projects, so creative and fun. SMW on the NES was a great punchline. I hope the bionic replacement technology that you talked about at the end develops within my lifetime.

  • @ProtoMario
    @ProtoMario 6 лет назад +218

    This is amazing, I will promote you for sure!

  • @zackreymiddlenameisdalehud398
    @zackreymiddlenameisdalehud398 5 лет назад

    I really enjoyed this. Thank you for sharing.

  • @treasuretron
    @treasuretron 3 года назад

    this is so underrated, absolutely brilliant work

  • @EvilCoffeeInc
    @EvilCoffeeInc 6 лет назад +3

    Wow, I have never before seen a video which so perfectly encapsulates my interests into a single work of art. Congratulations, this is amazing.

    • @rolandhatton2668
      @rolandhatton2668 6 лет назад

      Elijah Doern I concur, this guy is on the right track to greatness

  • @laggykun4602
    @laggykun4602 6 лет назад +163

    NOW YOURE PLAYING WITH POWER
    point.

    • @pseudotasuki
      @pseudotasuki 5 лет назад +3

      tahu nuva Yes, that was the joke.

    • @kimgkomg
      @kimgkomg 4 года назад +1

      Haha smash 4 amirite

  • @TehPoopDood
    @TehPoopDood 3 года назад +4

    This is absolutely incredible

  • @rbmwiv
    @rbmwiv 5 лет назад

    Wow you did some serious work doing what you did with that NES. I have been tinkering with electronics all my life and I know what kind of time and skill required to do what you did. Awesome 😎 👏.

  • @ThatNateGuy
    @ThatNateGuy 5 лет назад +13

    Okay, the stuff you're doing with your NES and the Pi Zero are stuff I've been toying with in my head for ages and well, well beyond. Good show!

  • @slusheewolf2143
    @slusheewolf2143 5 лет назад +68

    My boyfriend bought NES Maker, and I watched him program all the graphics himself with the pallete editor. The program, supports Real Mode, which is the auto-converted plate from the actual NES pallete. THE AMOUNT OF HOURS you may have put into this single video actually hurts me.

    • @Tiago-
      @Tiago- 5 лет назад +8

      @Leofashionista1, I think they were commenting on the possibly massive amount of time it took him to make this video. It was a positive comment.

  • @ethos8863
    @ethos8863 Год назад

    you are such a beast for making this

  • @ElTurbinado
    @ElTurbinado Год назад +4

    you could use the realtime kernel for finer control over that 4-core version, with some thoughtful scheduling you might be able to avoid the linux interruption hiccups.

  • @midorifox
    @midorifox 5 лет назад +145

    _Tom7 runs a SNES game on the NES_
    *Nintendo would like to know your location*

  • @mootbooxle
    @mootbooxle 6 лет назад +5

    I really enjoy listening to your ideas. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, wit, and wisdom!

  • @JamesTDG
    @JamesTDG 2 года назад +1

    this is honestly an amazing concept, and also a unique thought exercise. I think this video might be why we can play doom on a device from the 80s...

  • @SPEXWISE
    @SPEXWISE 5 лет назад +12

    I was mainly thinking that I don't know how or why you are doing any of this until the moment you revealed a SNES game running on an unmodified NES. 😲

  • @LimeGreenTeknii
    @LimeGreenTeknii 6 лет назад +327

    I think the funniest joke would be to have a cartridge that appears normal and looks like it plays a regular Nintendo game, but part way through it becomes 3D or something, and then give the cartridge to somebody who wouldn't know that's what's on the cartridge.

    • @Rpodnee
      @Rpodnee 6 лет назад +28

      LimeGreenTeknii Ah yes the ol switcheroo

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 6 лет назад +56

      I thought about trolling people by creating sonic for SNES then sticking an actual Z80 and YM2612 in the cartridge and feeding the sound through the audio input pins on the cartridge.
      Or maybe sonic is too obvious. Just the thought of trolling people by using a Mega Drive's sound chip in a SNES amuses me somehow. XD

    • @yorgle
      @yorgle 6 лет назад +2

      Love it! :D

    • @BierBart12
      @BierBart12 6 лет назад +10

      And that is how true creepypastas are made.

    • @exelotl6194
      @exelotl6194 6 лет назад +1

      the Octocat Adventures of NES games

  • @CTRIX64
    @CTRIX64 6 лет назад +11

    Nice! NES (emulated) on a NES is certainly where the humor lay for me (as someone who's dev'd on both NES and SNES). There used to be a site called 256b dedicated to 256 byte demos which had some brilliant self decompiling executables. Surprising, and probably most amusing, was how many versions people came up with! Good luck with continued work on the project. You could possibly do a frame-buffer / tile bank-switcher to avoid some screen artifacts; although I kinda like it's straight-to-pie little visual oddities :-)

    • @jasonrubik
      @jasonrubik 2 года назад

      My favorite 256 byte demo is "A Mind is Born" : ruclips.net/video/sWblpsLZ-O8/видео.html

  • @RetroDawn
    @RetroDawn 2 года назад +2

    Ah, bus stuffing from the Atari VCS, done now on the NES. ;) STill, impressive! I very much enjoyed your joke meta talk and your new term of improper hierarchy.
    You might have already done this, but you might want to investigate the Pitrex, which is the same type of thing for the Vectrex, but they support a bare metal mode, which allows for real-time performance, rather than running on Linux. They also have been working on paring down Linux so there are less interruptions when running Linux on the Pi.

  • @truecrony
    @truecrony Год назад

    I've been thinking about what you've just accomplished for a long time now. Thought it would be incredible to have a pi powered cartridge for the Sega Genesis that would give it nearly unlimited capability but through the eyes of pixel art. Something I wish I had the knowledge and stamina to complete. Figured I'll never have the energy to do. Awesome man!

  • @CDromatron
    @CDromatron 6 лет назад +206

    Great video! One thing I will say though is you missed a golden opportunity to try run sonic on a nes, that woulda been great!

    • @Uejji
      @Uejji 6 лет назад +39

      It would have been humorous but, I think, outside of the message of "improper hierarchy." Running a SNES game on an NES was the anachronism, and emulating an NES game on the NES cart to be played on the NES was the strange loop.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  6 лет назад +110

      Sorry, Genesis does what Nintendon't!

    • @fanzyflani3576
      @fanzyflani3576 6 лет назад +10

      That's why you emulate the Master System Sonic games

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 6 лет назад +2

      There's one, Somari.

    • @RadicalSharkRS
      @RadicalSharkRS 6 лет назад

      guys remember some on made sonic 2 on snes? search it up ps dam amazing but not the bootleg * the real game*

  • @TheLastAnalogJunkie
    @TheLastAnalogJunkie 6 лет назад +49

    So, breaking this down to it’s most basic level. In essence you basically just used a RasPi to convolutedly feed the NES a video stream of the Pi itself in a form that uses the NES’ graphical capability. Basically acting to the console as if it were an enchancement chip, all while taking inputs from the controller while it was running videos and an emulator on the Pi.
    In other words, the NES acted like the Pi was a game, but all the real heavy lifting was on the Pi.

    • @trentonh.m.1487
      @trentonh.m.1487 6 лет назад +23

      TheLastAnalogJunkie yeah, it's almost like a super fx chip, but on crack.

  • @johnadams9514
    @johnadams9514 3 года назад

    This is one of my favorite videos on RUclips.

  • @metalstream
    @metalstream 2 года назад

    Re-discovering this channel is indeed a very pleasant feeling to have. Interestingly I did actually laugh at the joke, the PowerPoint one of course.

  • @MrCBroz
    @MrCBroz 6 лет назад +64

    Speaking as someone familiar with neuroscience, the brain is very dynamic. I would be very surprised if human 'hardware injection' became viable. It's very hard to use a rom address if the hardware substrate changes unpredictably any time you read/write anything semi-related. And there are human subjects ethical concerns about making that neural substrate process any more predictable than it already is. High spatial resolution (MRI) neuroimaging methods have already gotten to the point where higher resolution is unsafe for the prolonged exposures we would need to examine neural level memory access. ECoG is exciting work, but it's still only for rare brain surgery cases, and only at the cortex. Instead, we can look to philosophers who would claim that your cellphone is already a hardware injection. It offloads memory and, if considered a part of 'you', makes you way more capable at certain tasks than you already are.

    • @RAFMnBgaming
      @RAFMnBgaming 5 лет назад +3

      It'd be difficult to hack directly into the brain, yes, but would it be easier to add a bypass into, let's say, one of your optic nerves. Let's say we could use the muscle contraction signals from the brain to work out what point the eye is looking and focusing on at any given moment, and if the eye is looking at wherever we want to render our HUD, intercept and replace the output from the relevant rod/cone nerves with the relevant signal. You wouldn't have to know what's going on inside the brain to convert that data into a sense of vision, you'd only need to know what signals the nerves send for each colour/shade. And if you do it only on one eye, hopefully you'd still be able to tell that it's not actually there, like listening to mono audio out of one ear of your headphone.
      When i say easier, i mean it wouldn't require much new knowledge. Building that probably wouldn't be very easy.

    • @RAFMnBgaming
      @RAFMnBgaming 5 лет назад +2

      Hell. let's make it easier. Teach someone braille then hook up a handful of the nerves in their pinky finger to electrodes and you're already sending information directly into the nervous system. And as far as I can tell we could probably do that today.

    • @SqueakyNeb
      @SqueakyNeb 4 года назад +4

      @@RAFMnBgaming there's people putting small magnets in their fingers to feel electromagnetic fields, and apparently the brain comfortably assimilates it as a new sense. You even get a "stereo image" with multiple fingers modified. I suspect you could make something like this work.

    • @tr3vk4m
      @tr3vk4m 4 года назад +3

      Step away from the imagined necessity for physical connection for a second - we are already doing this and have been doing so since the industrial revolution.

  • @laptop006
    @laptop006 6 лет назад +81

    If you use PID masking to force your code, and only your code to run on one core on the Pi3 then that should hopefully help with the interruptions.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  6 лет назад +30

      Well, I need two cores, unfortunately. I used isolcpus and nohz_all and cpu affinity and everything else I could find, but nothing seemed to help. It seems that interrupts are happening on all four cores, and that the BCM chip doesn't actually support per-cpu interrupt masking. :/ There may be a shallow solution to this problem, though. I'm certainly not a linux expert!

    • @mechris13524
      @mechris13524 6 лет назад +26

      Write your own OS!

    • @SSardonic
      @SSardonic 6 лет назад +51

      Did you try using a realtime kernel? I'm not a linux expert either (or even a raspberry pi amateur), but I believe if you can get a realtime kernel running, linux will never interrupt the user processes (it waits for user processes to yield to it, instead)

    • @RichardAssar
      @RichardAssar 6 лет назад +2

      Exactly my thoughts when I saw the flashing, you could potentially bypass Linux entirely.

    • @le0villems
      @le0villems 6 лет назад +5

      You really should try a realtime kernel, as suggested above. That was the first thing that came into my mind watching the video

  • @drivers99
    @drivers99 3 года назад +6

    I remember someone making a game that has 4 games on the screen at the same time and you control them all simultaneously (not that all inputs go to all 4 games, but you have to switch between them fast to keep them all going). So maybe you could run 4 NES games at the same time.

  • @mjsoukup
    @mjsoukup 2 года назад

    Fascinating. Subbed.

  • @TacoScott
    @TacoScott 6 лет назад +166

    If you tighten up this video, it's a Ted talk. Amazing. 😀

    • @TKing2724
      @TKing2724 5 лет назад +3

      Tedx at best.

    • @graegoles8382
      @graegoles8382 5 лет назад +2

      @@TKing2724 still pretty fkn respectable imo

    • @chezcake256
      @chezcake256 5 лет назад +2

      how to turn this into ted talk
      1. remove video
      2. MAKE SURE TO KEEP AUDIO
      3. get footage of already existing ted talk
      4. remove video above person (or whatever)
      5. add echo to audio
      6. remember step 5? change video to original video
      congrats

    • @JTGames1000
      @JTGames1000 5 лет назад +2

      Its actually a Tom7Talk

    • @TKing2724
      @TKing2724 5 лет назад +1

      @@graegoles8382 Not really. Please do no confuse Ted with Tedx. Tedx will accept any jackoff (not saying this video creator is a jackoff) off the street to give a lecture. Tedx is completely independently organized, and they use local guys. The Ted organization doesn't oversee who participates in Tedx events.

  • @thecodingethan
    @thecodingethan 6 лет назад +68

    Brain: Ok I need to think of a joke.
    Raspberry Pi: Gotcha fam, here it is.
    Brain: Accessing memory.

    • @asp-uwu
      @asp-uwu 6 лет назад +16

      _this might cause graphical glitches..._

    • @renakunisaki
      @renakunisaki 6 лет назад +6

      I hate when the write happens before the read and I think of the punchline before the joke.

  • @wizzlewazzle9202
    @wizzlewazzle9202 Год назад

    Hey bro I randomly found your video but I absolutely love the works of Douglas hofstadter now I'm going to watch all of your videos liked and subscribed you are awesome

  • @Duda286
    @Duda286 Год назад +1

    this got very very quickly from messing with a NES to gradual neural transfer/substitution...
    ...and you have all my support (I can't help. BUT)
    I'm starting biomedicine
    Some years later, if you haven't worked on that yet by then, well, I'd be glad to have your help :D

  • @jedgrahek1426
    @jedgrahek1426 2 года назад +2

    This is so, so great. I'm shocked at the work you did and very curious to see the technical video.
    The things you do are amazing, and you're so rare to have the technical capabilities you do while also having a naturally playful, intuitive, freethinking attitude, sense of perspective, and sense of humor.