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The Victorians never met a bit of history that they didn't want to ret-con. What a lovely chat in an attic. Peter MacDonald's kilt reminds me of that whole blue dress/gold dress thing.
The earliest tartan example found in a pottery jar of coins to date was in Falkirk, it dated from 3AD, the Romans were still around at that date. The location it was found is now part of a shopping mall complex. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_tartan
3rd Century AD, surely. No (large) Roman presence in the British Isles (maybe some trading vessels only) between when Big Juli Caesar made a couple of brief recce visits in 55 and 54BC and when Claudius's Legions arrived for good in 43AD.
@@theoztreecrasher2647 You are correct. I was born and raised in Falkirk but now live in Kent. The Romans did linger for longer in Kent leaving, for good, shortly after 400AD. They pulled back from Scotland and the north of England a lot earlier as you say.
@@theoztreecrasher2647The Antonine Wall which goes close to Falkirk was built AD 142. The Roman Camps at Ardoch were built during the Agricolan Campaigns in the 1st Century AD and re-used later. In the years AD 208-10 the emperor Septimius Severus and his son Caracalla were campaigning in Scotland following the earlier routes.
@ Yep. All correct and interesting information. But my post was just to alert the OP to his possible typo re the date he initially listed. "3AD" - Still up there. Of course it is JUST possible that 1 or more of the coins in the jar with the ancient tartan cloth may have been a single family heirloom from circa 200 years previous - coins in hoards often come from a fair spread of years/Emperors. The linked article lists 3RD Century though for the find. 😉😊
Nice to see you again. I just found out that our (Canada), "lumber jacket" was brought from Scotland too. It is the Buffalo Check (?) I love those jackets and have worn them since I was a kid but didn't know their origin. Just want to say Thanks for one of the things that people recognise as "Canadian".🍁🍁
I loved this video. I had a waistcoat made for my dad using his mother’s people’s tartan(maybe). It was beautiful and most of all he loved it. True or not. Thanks Bruce.
Thank you Bruce! I missed you these last couple Saturdays, my weekends were off without my Saturday morning coffee in Scotland w/Bruce 😭💙🏴 & yes everyone is entitled to time off, just glad you're back...
I'd consider a kilt in it. USA Kilts have designed a number of universal tartans that are very popular. I really like their Kilts and Culture tartan and plan to add it to my growing collection. All that to say, make it universal that all your fans can enjoy, and you'll sell a lot of it! Looking forward to it Bruce! God bless, Robert
My mom's family Is McPherson and that's a very difficult tartan to find commercially!! Whenever we find it, we get it. When I and my siblings were little, my mom always made us skirts and vests for Christmas 😊❤❤❤. Unfortunately, I have zero sewing skills, despite my mom's best efforts 😔 😢
I am originally from the UK, but I now live in the Philippines. My family is from Scotland, Clan McPherson. My son had an "international day" at his school recently. We managed to source a McPherson tartan in the local market!, made him a kilt, sorted out a tam o' shanter and even a (plastic) skean dhu. He won first prize!
You can get it at J. Higgins, LTD in the Kansas City, Kansas area, or USA Kilts in Spring City, Pennsylvania, any time you like. There is a town of Macpherson, Kansas, USA, so it's not uncommon here.
Brilliant video, Peter did a lot of demystifying and took a lot of the snobbery out of the subject. I remember from back in the day, a sense you could only wear a certain tartan if you had a connection/‘right’ to wear it. With 9000+ tartans, I think no one cares that much anymore. You tend to pick a tartan you have a connection with, whether it’s a name, or a town, or football team etc. I’m a Gordon and before I had a kilt of my own or hiring for my son, Dress Gordon was fashionable enough to be easily available. When my brother had his kilt made, he went for Dress Gordon. When I got mine I went for ancient red gordon. It’s my favourite type of formal wear and the only sort I feel comfortable in. I recall my Grandma, who was big on what passed for tradition in the last century telling me that anyone was ‘entitled’ to wear Royal Stewart aka ‘shortbread tin red’. No disrespect to anyone who wears it or likes it. It is a nice tartan.
When people ask me whether someone is "entitled" or "authorized" to wear a certain tartan, I explain it in terms of good manners. If you wear a Notre Dame necktie, it's presumed that you have some sort of connection to the school, even if it's just that you're a fan of their tennis team. It's only good manners to be ready to explain that connection, should someone ask. The United States Marine Corps has an official tartan and its wear is described in USMC regulations. The USMC tartan is authorized by the USMC to be worn by anyone who is or has been a Marine, is related to a Marine, or is a supporter of the United States Marine Corps. Of course, it's not legally enforceable, but it lays out a framework that could be extended to other tartans as well. I typically tell people that wearing a tartan implies to other people that you have some sort of connection to the clan, city, or organization that designed and authorized it, therefore it's only polite to be ready to explain why you chose it. If you just think Fraser tartan is gorgeous and want to wear it, you won't be visited by the tartan police. However, the polite thing would be to read up a bit on the history of the tartan and the people with whom it is associated. It's really a matter of good manners, not entitlement.
I like the thought of the tartan telling a story, very fitting for Scottish History Tours. So will we see a unique tartan we can buy as follower's of your channel? It's really interesting to hear the history of the tartan and how it has evolved
That older gentleman has a combination Southern Scottish accent and Northern English accent... Sounds like he grew up near the borders.... 🇬🇧 🏴 Great video mate.. Please make a video regarding the Stewart's Tartan... My great grand mum last name was Stewart and she lived to 100 years old. Thanks Mate! ❤
Assign individual colours to the alphabet, and use the order as line order/thickness. McFummey might suggest seven colours with two thick lines for M & F, with the mm being spaced closer together, then mirrored to stay within tartan 'rules'.
Has to be Douglas Tartan for this lass, but I do admire many others. I’ve got a pair os Stewart tartan trousers that even my teenage son borrowed for a night out .
I happened to look at a few options in the red and green, take a look at carruthers modern, with a gold overcheck instead of white. Kinda looks like a window, and I think that's what you bring to us, a window into scotland!
DO IT! I can't wait to see how your Tartan turns out with the Ghana influence. Now you have a connection with someone who is part of the decision making team, you're in like Flynn!
While it's well-known that tartans started being standardized by the Highland Society of London in the early-1800s, and that this was then picked up by weavers and entrepreneurs shortly after, my clan, Clan MacTavish has two tartans that seem to have been known as clan tartans around the mid-late 1700s. These are what is now the clan's Hunting tartan, and the MacTavish of Dunardry Dress ladies tartan. We know this based on statements made by the wife of a clan Chief near the turn of the 19th Century
I happen to have a gift shop and I design my own tartan patterns and print them on objects. They are not named and it has never even occurred to me to have them registered or ask permission.Though there are so many versions of them now in my computer that they are filed by numbers rather than words.
Hi Bruce, Great video. Just me thinking here, sheep don't all come in the shape colour wool, it varies from fairly dark grey to off white. By choosing three or four fleeces you could make a fairly decent tartan even if your dyes were limited to woad and lichen. This would have allowed the earliest inhabitants of Scotland to make Tartan. When my brother and I went to the Fêtes Franco-Écossaises in Aubigny-Sur-Nere wearing our kilts in "our" tartan a French going in the opposite direction to us recognised the tartan, which isn't Stewart, Campbell or any famous Mac. I was impressed by the fact there are French tartan needs!😂
@la_old_salt2241 when does that date from? I was thinking pre 18th century when dyes limited and some colours were expensive. The ordinary people with no money could produce an acceptable tartan with limited resources.
I recently learned what clan my family came from. My dad’s paternal family is Walker, and they came from clan McNucator, im not sure about his mom’s side though, (i also cant spell it, it’s something like McEacheran or something similar)
Good luck sorting your tartan out Bruce. If you are going to use kente cloth as an inspiration for it, don't forget that each colour of it has a different meaning. You don't want to put colours in that make you look naf or other Ghanaians will think you're a wally.😉
I've got a lot of Scottish heritage in my family! Namely Stewart, Campbell and Farquharson, so i have lots of tartans to choose from. I'm curious, though. What is the difference between Ancient, Hunting, Dress, and Modern? And does it matter which one you'd wear?
I’m a sassenach but I’m informed that I’m permitted to wear a McDonald tartan, but I don’t know which it is 🤔 My surname is Coulson, a Northumbrian name, perhaps you or Peter might know a connection with the McDonalds of Glencoe or the Lords of the Isles 😊
Wear what you like, the name thing was a Victorian invention. Not to say, don't wear one associated with your name, if you want to wear it, then wear it proudly. Just realize that you don't have to limit yourself that way.
This is not the history of the Tartan that I learned. I'm a wee bit disappointed in you Bruce. I remember the tartans on the wall in the museum in Kingussie when I was over back in 1995. I think that guy is FOS. I think he's out to sell tartan, not the real story. The story of the Tartan starts with the European Celts. Caesar back in the day mentioned that Celts were partial to wearing "checked" cloth, and there is documentation about Celtic chiefs "royalty" having more stripes than the poorer people. Moving up to the Scots cow herders tending the flocks in the 14, 15, 16 hundreds wearing kilts while tending their cattle because with "9" yards of wool wrapped around you, you had all the foul weather clothing you needed to survive in the sheilings up on the hills. The plaid or tartan's which they wore were what ever the local weaver had at hand. So, the Clans of one area were often recognized by the plaid they were wearing because everyone in that area, had the same weaver. (This was information I got at the museum in Kingussie where the old "plaids" were on display. This became custom, move on up to the proscription agains wearing kilts after the 1745. Breeks became common wear and if you wanted to wear a kilt you had to join the Army. Then the Victorian era when Queen Victoria made it cool again to kilt up! This is when the "Tartans" we know of today came into being as your Tartan expert/salesman explained so well. It irritates me that the rest of the history of the tartans and kilts was left out of his explanation. I really hate the fact that tartan making has become a capitalist enterprise!
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The Victorians never met a bit of history that they didn't want to ret-con.
What a lovely chat in an attic.
Peter MacDonald's kilt reminds me of that whole blue dress/gold dress thing.
The earliest tartan example found in a pottery jar of coins to date was in Falkirk, it dated from 3AD, the Romans were still around at that date. The location it was found is now part of a shopping mall complex. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_tartan
3rd Century AD, surely. No (large) Roman presence in the British Isles (maybe some trading vessels only) between when Big Juli Caesar made a couple of brief recce visits in 55 and 54BC and when Claudius's Legions arrived for good in 43AD.
@@theoztreecrasher2647 You are correct. I was born and raised in Falkirk but now live in Kent. The Romans did linger for longer in Kent leaving, for good, shortly after 400AD. They pulled back from Scotland and the north of England a lot earlier as you say.
@@theoztreecrasher2647The Antonine Wall which goes close to Falkirk was built AD 142. The Roman Camps at Ardoch were built during the Agricolan Campaigns in the 1st Century AD and re-used later. In the years AD 208-10 the emperor Septimius Severus and his son Caracalla were campaigning in Scotland following the earlier routes.
@ Yep. All correct and interesting information. But my post was just to alert the OP to his possible typo re the date he initially listed. "3AD" - Still up there. Of course it is JUST possible that 1 or more of the coins in the jar with the ancient tartan cloth may have been a single family heirloom from circa 200 years previous - coins in hoards often come from a fair spread of years/Emperors. The linked article lists 3RD Century though for the find. 😉😊
Mornin Bruce! Cannae wait to see what this video has ti say aboot ma favourite cloth. Bring it, man.
Nice to see you again. I just found out that our (Canada), "lumber jacket" was brought from Scotland too. It is the Buffalo Check (?) I love those jackets and have worn them since I was a kid but didn't know their origin. Just want to say Thanks for one of the things that people recognise as "Canadian".🍁🍁
I think you're referring to the classic Rob Roy tartan.
@@joevenuti1201 yes! Learning something new all the time.
Missed you! I got all happy n cozy to see a new video from ya. 😊
I loved this video. I had a waistcoat made for my dad using his mother’s people’s tartan(maybe). It was beautiful and most of all he loved it. True or not. Thanks Bruce.
Thank you Bruce! I missed you these last couple Saturdays, my weekends were off without my Saturday morning coffee in Scotland w/Bruce 😭💙🏴 & yes everyone is entitled to time off, just glad you're back...
😬 excellent info . i inherited a tie from my old man after he passed away.. very proud of my scottish heritage.. 🙏
Very interesting! Thank you both.
Great video Bruce!
Can't wait to see the tartan you design. It would probably sell well in America!
Let's hope so
I'd consider a kilt in it. USA Kilts have designed a number of universal tartans that are very popular. I really like their Kilts and Culture tartan and plan to add it to my growing collection. All that to say, make it universal that all your fans can enjoy, and you'll sell a lot of it! Looking forward to it Bruce! God bless, Robert
Thank you Bruce and Peter! As always, educational and fascinating!
Fascinating, thank you 😊
My mom's family Is McPherson and that's a very difficult tartan to find commercially!! Whenever we find it, we get it. When I and my siblings were little, my mom always made us skirts and vests for Christmas 😊❤❤❤. Unfortunately, I have zero sewing skills, despite my mom's best efforts 😔 😢
I am originally from the UK, but I now live in the Philippines. My family is from Scotland, Clan McPherson. My son had an "international day" at his school recently. We managed to source a McPherson tartan in the local market!, made him a kilt, sorted out a tam o' shanter and even a (plastic) skean dhu. He won first prize!
You can get it at J. Higgins, LTD in the Kansas City, Kansas area, or USA Kilts in Spring City, Pennsylvania, any time you like. There is a town of Macpherson, Kansas, USA, so it's not uncommon here.
You should check out Maritime Tartan in Nova Scotia.
I worked in a scottish woollen mill 40 years ago..I pressed tartan ties..I could name every tartan..but alas I can't now
Mornin' all!
🏴 🦄 🏴
evening from Australia 😬
Mornin
3:16 am from British Columbia Canada. Good almost morning
Good morning from Kansas, USA!
Brilliant video, Peter did a lot of demystifying and took a lot of the snobbery out of the subject.
I remember from back in the day, a sense you could only wear a certain tartan if you had a connection/‘right’ to wear it. With 9000+ tartans, I think no one cares that much anymore. You tend to pick a tartan you have a connection with, whether it’s a name, or a town, or football team etc.
I’m a Gordon and before I had a kilt of my own or hiring for my son, Dress Gordon was fashionable enough to be easily available. When my brother had his kilt made, he went for Dress Gordon. When I got mine I went for ancient red gordon. It’s my favourite type of formal wear and the only sort I feel comfortable in.
I recall my Grandma, who was big on what passed for tradition in the last century telling me that anyone was ‘entitled’ to wear Royal Stewart aka ‘shortbread tin red’. No disrespect to anyone who wears it or likes it. It is a nice tartan.
When people ask me whether someone is "entitled" or "authorized" to wear a certain tartan, I explain it in terms of good manners. If you wear a Notre Dame necktie, it's presumed that you have some sort of connection to the school, even if it's just that you're a fan of their tennis team. It's only good manners to be ready to explain that connection, should someone ask. The United States Marine Corps has an official tartan and its wear is described in USMC regulations. The USMC tartan is authorized by the USMC to be worn by anyone who is or has been a Marine, is related to a Marine, or is a supporter of the United States Marine Corps. Of course, it's not legally enforceable, but it lays out a framework that could be extended to other tartans as well.
I typically tell people that wearing a tartan implies to other people that you have some sort of connection to the clan, city, or organization that designed and authorized it, therefore it's only polite to be ready to explain why you chose it. If you just think Fraser tartan is gorgeous and want to wear it, you won't be visited by the tartan police. However, the polite thing would be to read up a bit on the history of the tartan and the people with whom it is associated. It's really a matter of good manners, not entitlement.
I like the thought of the tartan telling a story, very fitting for Scottish History Tours.
So will we see a unique tartan we can buy as follower's of your channel?
It's really interesting to hear the history of the tartan and how it has evolved
That older gentleman has a combination Southern Scottish accent and Northern English accent... Sounds like he grew up near the borders.... 🇬🇧 🏴 Great video mate.. Please make a video regarding the Stewart's Tartan... My great grand mum last name was Stewart and she lived to 100 years old. Thanks Mate! ❤
My great grandmother was a Stewart and she also lived well into her late 90's!!
@Ash-hi5hy so cool ! Thank you for sharing! 💜🏴
Good to see you big man👊🏼
McFumi Tartan has a nice ring to it 😊
Fantastic, thanks for the information 🫡🏴🇨🇦
Thank you!
I registered my own tartan a while back, Jones-MacGregor STA# 10727. I have an 8-yard kilt and a tam made with it.
Assign individual colours to the alphabet, and use the order as line order/thickness.
McFummey might suggest seven colours with two thick lines for M & F, with the mm being spaced closer together, then mirrored to stay within tartan 'rules'.
There is an official California tartan. Restored in Scotland and made official by a California Assembly bill in the year 2000.
As a Scottish Ghanaian with a large RUclips viewership, surely you would wear the Black Watch tartan, Bruce?! 😉😊
Has to be Douglas Tartan for this lass, but I do admire many others. I’ve got a pair os Stewart tartan trousers that even my teenage son borrowed for a night out .
Great video! My current favorite tartan is "Lunar."
A'reyt Bruce. Will you be doing a Burns night video, sporting your own tartan? Merchandise to follow?
Another fascinating video Bruce 👍
Many thanks!
So cool!! Thanks Bruce 💜
You are so welcome
Can't wait to see the McFumy tartan!
I was impressed to find that there was a tartan for my family name. I was also kind of miffed as I was hoping to design a tartan for my family name.😂
I happened to look at a few options in the red and green, take a look at carruthers modern, with a gold overcheck instead of white. Kinda looks like a window, and I think that's what you bring to us, a window into scotland!
DO IT! I can't wait to see how your Tartan turns out with the Ghana influence. Now you have a connection with someone who is part of the decision making team, you're in like Flynn!
Make your own Tartan! Rock the kilt!
While it's well-known that tartans started being standardized by the Highland Society of London in the early-1800s, and that this was then picked up by weavers and entrepreneurs shortly after, my clan, Clan MacTavish has two tartans that seem to have been known as clan tartans around the mid-late 1700s. These are what is now the clan's Hunting tartan, and the MacTavish of Dunardry Dress ladies tartan. We know this based on statements made by the wife of a clan Chief near the turn of the 19th Century
I happen to have a gift shop and I design my own tartan patterns and print them on objects. They are not named and it has never even occurred to me to have them registered or ask permission.Though there are so many versions of them now in my computer that they are filed by numbers rather than words.
I remember a show where Marjoie Margulees and Allen Cummings created their own colors
Discovered from the accidental upload that Bruce has the same model of laptop as me 😂
Hi Bruce,
Great video.
Just me thinking here, sheep don't all come in the shape colour wool, it varies from fairly dark grey to off white. By choosing three or four fleeces you could make a fairly decent tartan even if your dyes were limited to woad and lichen. This would have allowed the earliest inhabitants of Scotland to make Tartan.
When my brother and I went to the Fêtes Franco-Écossaises in Aubigny-Sur-Nere wearing our kilts in "our" tartan a French going in the opposite direction to us recognised the tartan, which isn't Stewart, Campbell or any famous Mac. I was impressed by the fact there are French tartan needs!😂
It's already been done, Shepherd's Check.
@la_old_salt2241 when does that date from? I was thinking pre 18th century when dyes limited and some colours were expensive. The ordinary people with no money could produce an acceptable tartan with limited resources.
I recently learned what clan my family came from. My dad’s paternal family is Walker, and they came from clan McNucator, im not sure about his mom’s side though, (i also cant spell it, it’s something like McEacheran or something similar)
Good luck sorting your tartan out Bruce. If you are going to use kente cloth as an inspiration for it, don't forget that each colour of it has a different meaning. You don't want to put colours in that make you look naf or other Ghanaians will think you're a wally.😉
Need an East Stirlingshire FC tartan.
MacFumey!
I've got a lot of Scottish heritage in my family! Namely Stewart, Campbell and Farquharson, so i have lots of tartans to choose from. I'm curious, though. What is the difference between Ancient, Hunting, Dress, and Modern? And does it matter which one you'd wear?
Just shades, wear what you like! That applies even to tartan, which is not one of your family names. That was a Victorian invention.
@la_old_salt2241 Awesome! Thanks for the help!
I’m a sassenach but I’m informed that I’m permitted to wear a McDonald tartan, but I don’t know which it is 🤔 My surname is Coulson, a Northumbrian name, perhaps you or Peter might know a connection with the McDonalds of Glencoe or the Lords of the Isles 😊
Wear what you like, the name thing was a Victorian invention. Not to say, don't wear one associated with your name, if you want to wear it, then wear it proudly. Just realize that you don't have to limit yourself that way.
Hooray, there is an Oliver tartan (my real name) so perhaps i should embrace it..
Wear what you like!
Dissing the Buchanan tartan this morning, I see. Hmpf. 😝
A great book to read. JACOBITE GLEANINGS
FROM STATE MANUSCRIPTS Short Sketches of Jacobites
The Transportations in 1745 BY J. MACBETH FORBES
I've read that Scottish Sikhs have their own.
Your sound is rubbish on this video!🤣
He's in an attic, relax.
This is not the history of the Tartan that I learned. I'm a wee bit disappointed in you Bruce. I remember the tartans on the wall in the museum in Kingussie when I was over back in 1995. I think that guy is FOS. I think he's out to sell tartan, not the real story. The story of the Tartan starts with the European Celts. Caesar back in the day mentioned that Celts were partial to wearing "checked" cloth, and there is documentation about Celtic chiefs "royalty" having more stripes than the poorer people. Moving up to the Scots cow herders tending the flocks in the 14, 15, 16 hundreds wearing kilts while tending their cattle because with "9" yards of wool wrapped around you, you had all the foul weather clothing you needed to survive in the sheilings up on the hills. The plaid or tartan's which they wore were what ever the local weaver had at hand. So, the Clans of one area were often recognized by the plaid they were wearing because everyone in that area, had the same weaver. (This was information I got at the museum in Kingussie where the old "plaids" were on display. This became custom, move on up to the proscription agains wearing kilts after the 1745. Breeks became common wear and if you wanted to wear a kilt you had to join the Army. Then the Victorian era when Queen Victoria made it cool again to kilt up! This is when the "Tartans" we know of today came into being as your Tartan expert/salesman explained so well. It irritates me that the rest of the history of the tartans and kilts was left out of his explanation. I really hate the fact that tartan making has become a capitalist enterprise!
Bruce it all looks like plaid to me.
I prefer your intended uploads, they're far more interesting!
It's history he's discussing here, settle down.