im actually glad to see that there's other people who don't have a favourite character - i started developing that mindset too when i realised that i just enjoyed how the story of object shows flowed and didn't want to excessively like a certain character, and instead just enjoying how characters interact with each other throughout the episodes. and, great bfdi essay video too!
A contestant vote BFDI season would be interesting to see, but also something I doubt will ever happen. Viewer voting is baked into the identity of the show and I feel like the format is partially why the show found so much success. I would be down to see it though 👀
I don’t like Flower in post split, but I love her in pre split. The idea of making Flower a nicer character was never bad, and it was executed perfectly in pre split in my opinion. In post split, Flower was incredibly obnoxious with her fashion line and you could tell she was trying to get the viewers to feel sorry for her that she never succeeded before winning BFB.
I still hate how much she was bullied in BFB 29, like the writers were on their hands and knees trying to get flower to win, who was a first boot, had a redemption, and even survived with one vote. The writers literally despised gelatin
honestly? i disagree. i liked the way she was handled in post split; she tries to be nice but ends up failing (bfb 23 because she was insecure about her fashion line and hence got angry, bfb 27 when she annoyed teardrop in trying to be besties with her)
I think vote to save is better overall, there's more tension when you want to save multiple characters but can only vote one, vs voting off your least favorite character on a certain team which you probably have already decided by that point. And with vote to save, you can actually use characters having large fanbases to your advantage and pick someone else you want to save (yes I'm a pillow fan). It also doesn't help that there are a lot of younger viewers which means their decisions on who to eliminate are not as nuanced, hence the "mean characters always lose" problem. Though, mean characters are also just harder to make likeable. High risk, high reward as they say. It's an interesting topic from a writing perspective. In terms of character development, the main reason that problem happens is because the eliminated contestants are sent away for the rest of the season. They made an exception for Clock and Winner and that worked great! (Even if I personally don't care for that arc, I can appreciate that it could at least be fleshed out properly). Having contestants vote is a nice idea from a storytelling perspective but I honestly don't think it'd be nearly as fun to watch. You can usually guess who a constant is gonna vote for. But you can never be certain who a bunch of random people on the Internet you've never met are gonna vote for.
@@smt64productions40the one where if you’re in the bottom 2, the contestants on the winning team gets to choose who they want to their team, and the other loser gets eliminated
Imo the vote method should be the video method from BFDIA, BUT HERES THE KICKER. Instead of the most disliked being eliminated and the most liked winning a prize, the like and dislike counts on each video are subtracted from eachother to form a definite number (say like if someones video has 60 likes and 20 dislikes, their vote count would be 40 but if someone has 20 dislikes and 60 likes their vote count would be -40) and whoever has the highest of that number would win a prize and whoever has the lowest of that number gets eliminated
@@blabbilizer I actually also came up with that hypothetical a around a week ago completely independently. What an interesting coincidence. Also, "if someone has 20 dislikes and 60 likes their vote count would be -40" has a typo in it, being that the numbers for likes and dislikes should be swapped.
Adam honestly had the right idea of removing viewer voting in inanimate insanity late season 2 and season 3. Now they can actually write the characters however they want without teh stress of them getting booted early
vote to save is way worse. it's literally just "which one of the two or three with the least screentime this ONE episode has the least fans?" i mean cmon with vote to eliminate there are bad reasons but there are at least reasons. but with vote to save the fanfavorites are just gonna get EVEN more screentime and focus than undeveloped characters, and is that really fair? the rich get richer...
@@neznamejmeno123 I think that’s sarcasm but… “ThE mEaN cHaRaCtErS!” Usually the person WANTS them out first. There are also more underdeveloped characters than mean ones usually. Also if there was a show like this in real life and it had vote to save, someone who does something bad winning against someone who quietly does the stuff good, that would practically be rewarding bad behavior and that would just be wrong.
I have to disagree, I think vote to eliminate is much worse Pre-split already showed that they couldn't develop characters at all without leaving the team completely immune for numerous episodes. Every time a team with an ongoing conflict would go UFE, the root of the conflict would be eliminated, and the conflict would be over. Even with post-hiatus BFDIA, characters who cause conflict are still voted out over the nicer, more popular characters. While vote to save isn't perfect by any means, it at least allows for there to be conflicts and plotlines that can continue even when that character is up for elimination, and with its unpredictability, even fan favorites can be eliminated. Plus, characters that were originally thought to be early boots have gotten enough screentime to be considered finale candidates, so I don't think its super accurate to say that characters remain undeveloped, because nearly every character has had their time to shine!
But also consider that not every character gets development. Some characters exist just to be funny or lighthearted like Bottle and Grassy and while they don’t get development, they add a lot to their team’s and the show’s vibe that people like. I think that just judging characters on development while eliminating characters that people just like would be unfair and lower most people’s enjoyment of the show.
@@Magic_Ice Eh, it's not like vote to save screws over those characters. If those viewers like those characters because they're fun and add to the vibe, they're gonna vote them so they stay in the show. Heck, one of the characters you mentioned is Grassy, who has nothing going on for him plot wise, but is always first safe whenever his team is up for elimination because people love him so much. The main thing vote to save does is keep the characters who add the most to the show while eliminating the characters who add the least.
6:30 that is exactly how im towards every elimination in BFDI. Im fine with all of them, even my least favourites aren't awful. Even if they get eliminated, i always appreciate their moments instead of just complaining about why they should've stayed over another character. Im worried that the community will start attacking each other (I'll give you 5 bucks if we get another TPOT 9 voting problem when Team 🎶 is up for elimination again) .
I think best choice would be that the bottom 2 in terms of voting would be up for elimination, and the the characters chose who stays. Kinda like those episodes in bfdi season 1 where they did that
I honestly don’t care about voting or characters being robbed of votes or whatever. I’m just an average enjoyer who doesn’t really “hate” any of the characters
Haven't watched the video yet but I'm seeing comments about you not watching past TPOT 6 and comments about contestant voting instead of viewer voting. If the video is about how the voting is bad because of vote wars and they should switch over to contestant voting even though viewer voting is the entire point of BFDI (watch Inanimate Insanity if you want contestant voting) and they also they stopped comment voting in TPOT 10 which solves the voting issues in TPOT I'm gonna be mad. EDIT: Okay so thankfully the video wasn't as bad as I expected (although it was kind of a nothing burger). I'm going to be honest, the entire point of BFDI is viewer voting, without viewer voting you don't really have BFDI you just have Total Drama but with objects. If you want story and character drama go watch II, if you want fun scenarios and interactive voting go watch BFDI, at least that's my opinion. BFDI doesn't need to become Inanimate Insanity because Inanimate Insanity already exists.
4:11 BFDIA writters are the best example, they make things like rigging Ruby and Ice cube's personality and rig their prizes just so Pin simps will get mad because they are really protective of Pin in a point were it scares me and vote them off
True that is why Invitational is my favorite II season . It creates an environment where more strategical people like Silver get to thrive also the storytelling as the original commenter said
one thing i don't like in general viewer vote discussion is how unpredictability is passed off as a flaw seeing big players being taken out early is a big shock but seeing how characters have to change in such a radical way is fun to see. you know when it's done right (i was gonna nane examples but you mentioned you hadn't seen TPOT 7+ yet) the toxicity behind voting and the fandom's inability to accept a character getting out makes me worry for the outcry that will inevitably happen when ONLY fan favorites are left
to be honest i wish more object shows (specifically tpot) took the iii approach and had you vote for 1 character to be immune from voting.. tons of tpot characters have been robbed because vote to save is fundamentally flawed
Its not like that isnt flawed too, Yin Yang kept winning immunities, they even had to take that away. Community voting itself is just fundamentally flawed.
@@JayZ69000 had this idea for a while where the losing team has a vote, but the only thing the character wins is something to help on the next challenge, it's still gives viewers something to do but doesn't cut short or prolong any character on the story
I saw an ironic comment about someone saying they should remove voting and let the commenter pick who stays and who gets eliminated instead and it gave me an idea, what if every episode a random commenter is chosen to eliminate a contestant? I know this is rlly unrealistic but i might actually make a test object show with that voting method
I wanna know how a system where you went completely democratic and combined the VtS and VtE and added the two scores together would work? You could also possibly implement a multiple character vote especially early on.
No object show has done it. But if your watched Big brother Australia 2006/2007, the viewer voting had both save and evict(eliminate). Viewers could vote to evict who they wanted to go and save who they wanted to stay. The person(or people) who has the lowest net total would be eliminated/evicted. This led to some interesting results mainly in double evictions, escpailly the first double eviction of BBAUS 2006 where the 2nd person to be evicted that night only had the 3rd most votes to evict, to go but due to their lack of votes to save, they got evicted, because the person who had the 2nd most votes to evict also got so many votes to saves that it canceled each other out and kept that person safe.
I don’t think bfdi switching to contestant vote would change anything too drastically, idfb isn’t even a contest but with one episode people are enamored with it. and the whole voting system is just one thing that bfdi does that was unique at the time, but it doesn’t define bfdi.
They’ve done a lot of manipulation with the votes. The most recent example is when they decided to make two exitors return rather than one; you can tell they wanted pencil back to continue her arc w/ book and ice cube
The logical move is to have the top *three* EXITors rejoin. That way, every team has gotten an extra member. Death P.A.C.T. got Robot Flower, CloudYAY got Pencil, and BAGGED got Liy. So not only is Team 2 the only team without an extra member, they also went up for elimination in TPOT 13. On top of that, they could've even set up an arc with Bracelety and Ice Cube. It's just one massive missed opportunity.
Honestly, while voting is fundamentally flawed. It flawed in either way you choose to do it. However, I think viewer voting isn't really that flaw. NOW HERE ME OUT! I have a few reasons as to why it isn't as flawed as you think, I'm gonna go through my reasons. 1. Viewer voting makes you have to shift gears, in order to write. You can be blindsided by an elimination, but that doesn't exactly mean you can't shift the writing around to continue whatever story or narrative you are trying to tell. 2. Contestant votes pretty much show the bias towards certain characters. And yeah, It can be hard to avoid writers bias, but it is possible. There are a TON of shows with writers bias, Like the last two seasons of Total Drama. Their 8th season as a whole had one character arc that I believe went on too long, which made the character in question make it to the finale. Another character that was in the finale didn't even deserve to be there, but instead her partner in crime should have been. I mainly think that was due to the writers liking her as a villain a lot. 3. I honestly don't believe having nice characters be in the game longer, or even in the finale is too much of a problem. Remember just because a character is nice, doesn't mean it defines them as a character. Everyone has their own personality traits to them. There are finales that I think were done spectacularly, even with there being nice characters. Brawl Of The Objects is a prime example. The whole episode is what a lot of finales should be in my eyes. A story about the characters and their emotions, on how they made it to the finale, as they battle to win what they worked so hard for.
How do you feel about them doing the Google doc forms voting, since TPOT episode 10, they’ve been doing Google doc forms instead of the comments for TPOT voting
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you should come back to watching tpot, 3-6 all sucked but the season gets good again starting from tpot 7, and 13 is the best episode of the whole series
I think the “only the mean characters get out first” argument falls apart with Pillow from TPOT. She is by far the meanest character in all of BFDI, she kills so many people, throws the challenge constantly, and doesn’t contribute much to the team often. She was put up for elimination 5 times in a row and she wasn’t eliminated yet much nicer characters like Cake, Barf Bag, and Bomby got out before her. Other characters like Golf Ball, Yellow Face, Pencil, and Fanny could be described as mean but still persist over many others.
I mean she's still in here because of vote to save in TPOT. Because a lot of people find her funny. And she doesn't rven throw challenges for the purpose of throwing them
"only the mean characters get out first" is a main criticism of vote to eliminate. In vote to save, characters who cause conflict have more opportunity to stay. I think the issue does come in however when you get the fans who get very aggressive when you vote for a character they personally deem the one who deserves to go. Pillow is also a great example of this in fact, as someone who has consistently voted for Pillow to keep her from being eliminated, I've definitely encountered fans who get very upset at the fact I could even consider voting to keep Pillow "since she caused her team to lose". The mindset of vote to eliminate is still present in the fanbase, and there's a lot of tension associated with voting cause you never know if a subset of the fans will decide the character you like doesn't deserve to be there anymore and will start attacking you for voting for them.
seems like TPOT really improves right after i stopped watching lol
i'll definitely get back into watching the season thanks to your guys's insight!
yeah lol, there are interesting arcs that come into play after 6. hope you like episodes 7-13!
“I know I stopped watching TPOT after episode 6”
This is literally that one meme where a guy is so close to find diamonds but gives up mining
bro missed the tpot 9 comeback
So close yet so far
99% of gamblers quit before winning big
@@quagsire_lover3235hello non grass toucher
We literally had the same thought hearing this line. 💀
I almost wrote this exact comment actually.
im actually glad to see that there's other people who don't have a favourite character - i started developing that mindset too when i realised that i just enjoyed how the story of object shows flowed and didn't want to excessively like a certain character, and instead just enjoying how characters interact with each other throughout the episodes.
and, great bfdi essay video too!
A contestant vote BFDI season would be interesting to see, but also something I doubt will ever happen. Viewer voting is baked into the identity of the show and I feel like the format is partially why the show found so much success.
I would be down to see it though 👀
I don’t like Flower in post split, but I love her in pre split. The idea of making Flower a nicer character was never bad, and it was executed perfectly in pre split in my opinion. In post split, Flower was incredibly obnoxious with her fashion line and you could tell she was trying to get the viewers to feel sorry for her that she never succeeded before winning BFB.
I still hate how much she was bullied in BFB 29, like the writers were on their hands and knees trying to get flower to win, who was a first boot, had a redemption, and even survived with one vote. The writers literally despised gelatin
@@PunchDotOrg if they really hated gelatin I don't think he would be in the final 2
@@PunchDotOrgif they hated gelatin i dont think he wouldve made that monologue in bfb 30 no matter how silly it seems
honestly? i disagree. i liked the way she was handled in post split; she tries to be nice but ends up failing (bfb 23 because she was insecure about her fashion line and hence got angry, bfb 27 when she annoyed teardrop in trying to be besties with her)
I think it was rigged against gelatin because he cursed for 1000 years in BFB 25, that’s my head canon.
I think vote to save is better overall, there's more tension when you want to save multiple characters but can only vote one, vs voting off your least favorite character on a certain team which you probably have already decided by that point. And with vote to save, you can actually use characters having large fanbases to your advantage and pick someone else you want to save (yes I'm a pillow fan).
It also doesn't help that there are a lot of younger viewers which means their decisions on who to eliminate are not as nuanced, hence the "mean characters always lose" problem. Though, mean characters are also just harder to make likeable. High risk, high reward as they say. It's an interesting topic from a writing perspective.
In terms of character development, the main reason that problem happens is because the eliminated contestants are sent away for the rest of the season. They made an exception for Clock and Winner and that worked great! (Even if I personally don't care for that arc, I can appreciate that it could at least be fleshed out properly).
Having contestants vote is a nice idea from a storytelling perspective but I honestly don't think it'd be nearly as fun to watch. You can usually guess who a constant is gonna vote for. But you can never be certain who a bunch of random people on the Internet you've never met are gonna vote for.
Bfdi should remove viewer voting and instead just let me and me only decide the votes
you're so right
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see this guy gets it
Omg it’s the footboy17 hater
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Voting is the most fun part of the show, there must be a way to keep it without the problem of no development for hated and forgettable characters.
Or death threats for liking a animated fictional pillow with limbs
@@Aydoon_PB Yea that's a problem.
i really like the bottom two system they implemented for a bit in season 1, gives both contestants and viewers a choice
The point system?
@@smt64productions40the one where if you’re in the bottom 2, the contestants on the winning team gets to choose who they want to their team, and the other loser gets eliminated
@@Markers1Fan Oh that one
Most members of the community are kids that can't do constructive criticism and real discussions
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i love how theres more bfdi video essays being made lately
Imo the vote method should be the video method from BFDIA, BUT HERES THE KICKER. Instead of the most disliked being eliminated and the most liked winning a prize, the like and dislike counts on each video are subtracted from eachother to form a definite number (say like if someones video has 60 likes and 20 dislikes, their vote count would be 40 but if someone has 20 dislikes and 60 likes their vote count would be -40) and whoever has the highest of that number would win a prize and whoever has the lowest of that number gets eliminated
@@blabbilizer I actually also came up with that hypothetical a around a week ago completely independently. What an interesting coincidence.
Also, "if someone has 20 dislikes and 60 likes their vote count would be -40" has a typo in it, being that the numbers for likes and dislikes should be swapped.
@@Gulliblepikmin ohhh
Adam honestly had the right idea of removing viewer voting in inanimate insanity late season 2 and season 3. Now they can actually write the characters however they want without teh stress of them getting booted early
Spongy always gets screwed over by viewer voting, I hope a future season has the iii style, so he actually has a chance
they should run two seasons at once because a survivor style would be controversial
I mean in viewer voting almost everybody doesn't like him and he would be like one of the first boots
They should write Spongy better instead
I don't see Spongy surviving an iii style show anyways
@@cyberyoutabe5995
Three. BFDIA is ongoing.
vote to save is way worse. it's literally just
"which one of the two or three with the least screentime this ONE episode has the least fans?"
i mean cmon with vote to eliminate there are bad reasons but there are at least reasons.
but with vote to save the fanfavorites are just gonna get EVEN more screentime and focus than undeveloped characters, and is that really fair? the rich get richer...
Ikr,so much missed oppurtunuties even in pre split*COUGH COUGH*BRACELETY,LIY ETC.WTC.*COUGH COUGH*
@@neznamejmeno123 I think that’s sarcasm but…
“ThE mEaN cHaRaCtErS!”
Usually the person WANTS them out first. There are also more underdeveloped characters than mean ones usually.
Also if there was a show like this in real life and it had vote to save, someone who does something bad winning against someone who quietly does the stuff good, that would practically be rewarding bad behavior and that would just be wrong.
I have to disagree, I think vote to eliminate is much worse
Pre-split already showed that they couldn't develop characters at all without leaving the team completely immune for numerous episodes. Every time a team with an ongoing conflict would go UFE, the root of the conflict would be eliminated, and the conflict would be over. Even with post-hiatus BFDIA, characters who cause conflict are still voted out over the nicer, more popular characters.
While vote to save isn't perfect by any means, it at least allows for there to be conflicts and plotlines that can continue even when that character is up for elimination, and with its unpredictability, even fan favorites can be eliminated. Plus, characters that were originally thought to be early boots have gotten enough screentime to be considered finale candidates, so I don't think its super accurate to say that characters remain undeveloped, because nearly every character has had their time to shine!
But also consider that not every character gets development. Some characters exist just to be funny or lighthearted like Bottle and Grassy and while they don’t get development, they add a lot to their team’s and the show’s vibe that people like. I think that just judging characters on development while eliminating characters that people just like would be unfair and lower most people’s enjoyment of the show.
@@Magic_Ice Eh, it's not like vote to save screws over those characters. If those viewers like those characters because they're fun and add to the vibe, they're gonna vote them so they stay in the show. Heck, one of the characters you mentioned is Grassy, who has nothing going on for him plot wise, but is always first safe whenever his team is up for elimination because people love him so much. The main thing vote to save does is keep the characters who add the most to the show while eliminating the characters who add the least.
6:30 that is exactly how im towards every elimination in BFDI. Im fine with all of them, even my least favourites aren't awful. Even if they get eliminated, i always appreciate their moments instead of just complaining about why they should've stayed over another character. Im worried that the community will start attacking each other (I'll give you 5 bucks if we get another TPOT 9 voting problem when Team 🎶 is up for elimination again) .
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Tpot 3-6 is the low point of the season. Tpot 7, but especially tpot 9 and onward is when the series picks up in quality
Absolutely agreed. Viewer voting felt like I wasn’t watching for the characters but instead I was just watching for the winner
Yeah, thats one reason why i dont like viewer voting
you are so underrated
i always thought the BFDI voting system was fine as is. but this video definitely has an interesting take!
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I think best choice would be that the bottom 2 in terms of voting would be up for elimination, and the the characters chose who stays. Kinda like those episodes in bfdi season 1 where they did that
I really agree. People always eliminate people like how Puffball removed Pin's limbs. People always get so mad when a character does a simple thing.
I honestly don’t care about voting or characters being robbed of votes or whatever. I’m just an average enjoyer who doesn’t really “hate” any of the characters
Haven't watched the video yet but I'm seeing comments about you not watching past TPOT 6 and comments about contestant voting instead of viewer voting. If the video is about how the voting is bad because of vote wars and they should switch over to contestant voting even though viewer voting is the entire point of BFDI (watch Inanimate Insanity if you want contestant voting) and they also they stopped comment voting in TPOT 10 which solves the voting issues in TPOT I'm gonna be mad.
EDIT: Okay so thankfully the video wasn't as bad as I expected (although it was kind of a nothing burger). I'm going to be honest, the entire point of BFDI is viewer voting, without viewer voting you don't really have BFDI you just have Total Drama but with objects. If you want story and character drama go watch II, if you want fun scenarios and interactive voting go watch BFDI, at least that's my opinion. BFDI doesn't need to become Inanimate Insanity because Inanimate Insanity already exists.
dude your video made me laugh and not most videos do that so im gonna sub
4:11 BFDIA writters are the best example, they make things like rigging Ruby and Ice cube's personality and rig their prizes just so Pin simps will get mad because they are really protective of Pin in a point were it scares me and vote them off
Tbh, viewer voting is basically where it's one's feelings towards a character rather than how they're gonna effect the plot.
Viewer voting is a fun idea and all but I just prefer contestant vote a lot more for storytelling
Exactly
True
True that is why Invitational is my favorite II season . It creates an environment where more strategical people like Silver get to thrive also the storytelling as the original commenter said
one thing i don't like in general viewer vote discussion is how unpredictability is passed off as a flaw
seeing big players being taken out early is a big shock but seeing how characters have to change in such a radical way is fun to see. you know when it's done right (i was gonna nane examples but you mentioned you hadn't seen TPOT 7+ yet)
the toxicity behind voting and the fandom's inability to accept a character getting out makes me worry for the outcry that will inevitably happen when ONLY fan favorites are left
As long as yellow face is in the game, I’m happy.
And I’m angry (I hate yellow face) (but I respect your opinion)
Me too and as long as Black Hole is in the game, I’m happy.
to be honest i wish more object shows (specifically tpot) took the iii approach and had you vote for 1 character to be immune from voting.. tons of tpot characters have been robbed because vote to save is fundamentally flawed
Its not like that isnt flawed too, Yin Yang kept winning immunities, they even had to take that away. Community voting itself is just fundamentally flawed.
@@JayZ69000
had this idea for a while where the losing team has a vote, but the only thing the character wins is something to help on the next challenge, it's still gives viewers something to do but doesn't cut short or prolong any character on the story
@@JayZ69000 Considering how close that was to the finale, it's likely the immunity voting would've been taken away regardless.
I see that Sonic Adventure smile :)
Technically vote to eliminate returned in bfdia
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I saw an ironic comment about someone saying they should remove voting and let the commenter pick who stays and who gets eliminated instead and it gave me an idea, what if every episode a random commenter is chosen to eliminate a contestant? I know this is rlly unrealistic but i might actually make a test object show with that voting method
6:12 Adding 8-Ball on the background while saying this was smart
Yes! i was waiting for someone to point that out
I wanna know how a system where you went completely democratic and combined the VtS and VtE and added the two scores together would work? You could also possibly implement a multiple character vote especially early on.
This is what BFDIA voting should be. They already have likes and dislikes.
No object show has done it.
But if your watched Big brother Australia 2006/2007, the viewer voting had both save and evict(eliminate). Viewers could vote to evict who they wanted to go and save who they wanted to stay. The person(or people) who has the lowest net total would be eliminated/evicted.
This led to some interesting results mainly in double evictions, escpailly the first double eviction of BBAUS 2006 where the 2nd person to be evicted that night only had the 3rd most votes to evict, to go but due to their lack of votes to save, they got evicted, because the person who had the 2nd most votes to evict also got so many votes to saves that it canceled each other out and kept that person safe.
I don’t think bfdi switching to contestant vote would change anything too drastically, idfb isn’t even a contest but with one episode people are enamored with it. and the whole voting system is just one thing that bfdi does that was unique at the time, but it doesn’t define bfdi.
contestant vote would ruin bfdi's uniqness
@@wix-1-3dgcjt6 Uniqueness is wild when considering every show but object twoniverse and II2/3 uses viewer voting
This video is so good
I agree :)
I agree too
i don’t agree >:)
They’ve done a lot of manipulation with the votes. The most recent example is when they decided to make two exitors return rather than one; you can tell they wanted pencil back to continue her arc w/ book and ice cube
Or maybe they always planned to have two characters debut
The logical move is to have the top *three* EXITors rejoin. That way, every team has gotten an extra member. Death P.A.C.T. got Robot Flower, CloudYAY got Pencil, and BAGGED got Liy. So not only is Team 2 the only team without an extra member, they also went up for elimination in TPOT 13. On top of that, they could've even set up an arc with Bracelety and Ice Cube. It's just one massive missed opportunity.
shouldve made it 3 instead
1:23 Battle for Circle cameo? 👀
why did you randomly appear in my feed? subscribed.
Honestly, while voting is fundamentally flawed. It flawed in either way you choose to do it. However, I think viewer voting isn't really that flaw. NOW HERE ME OUT! I have a few reasons as to why it isn't as flawed as you think, I'm gonna go through my reasons.
1. Viewer voting makes you have to shift gears, in order to write. You can be blindsided by an elimination, but that doesn't exactly mean you can't shift the writing around to continue whatever story or narrative you are trying to tell.
2. Contestant votes pretty much show the bias towards certain characters. And yeah, It can be hard to avoid writers bias, but it is possible. There are a TON of shows with writers bias, Like the last two seasons of Total Drama. Their 8th season as a whole had one character arc that I believe went on too long, which made the character in question make it to the finale. Another character that was in the finale didn't even deserve to be there, but instead her partner in crime should have been. I mainly think that was due to the writers liking her as a villain a lot.
3. I honestly don't believe having nice characters be in the game longer, or even in the finale is too much of a problem. Remember just because a character is nice, doesn't mean it defines them as a character. Everyone has their own personality traits to them. There are finales that I think were done spectacularly, even with there being nice characters. Brawl Of The Objects is a prime example. The whole episode is what a lot of finales should be in my eyes. A story about the characters and their emotions, on how they made it to the finale, as they battle to win what they worked so hard for.
Keep watching TPOT it has gotten really good
How do you feel about them doing the Google doc forms voting, since TPOT episode 10, they’ve been doing Google doc forms instead of the comments for TPOT voting
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It just doesn't sit right with me when all the finalists are popular characters
Tf you mean, of course the most popular characters are going to be the finalists
6:13 I don't have a favorite character, i really don't
Hi.........10 Ball
There is a reason why II s2 has the perfect final 2 and BFB has... Uhh... Gelatin...? Idk why he was in the final 2 bro. 💀
STOP STEALING MY VIDEO IDEAS BEFORE I MAKE THEM 😡 /j
ermm whoopsies hehe
you should come back to watching tpot, 3-6 all sucked but the season gets good again starting from tpot 7, and 13 is the best episode of the whole series
off topic but you sound like mepad
900th sub
Bfdia in my opinion actually had a great elimination order for the first half, but then Golf Ball got out
*that’s wild*
I cant control you but all im gonna say is watch the new TPOT episodes they have completely changed the community's opinion on that season
alternative title: having an opinion is fundamentally flawed
I think the “only the mean characters get out first” argument falls apart with Pillow from TPOT. She is by far the meanest character in all of BFDI, she kills so many people, throws the challenge constantly, and doesn’t contribute much to the team often. She was put up for elimination 5 times in a row and she wasn’t eliminated yet much nicer characters like Cake, Barf Bag, and Bomby got out before her. Other characters like Golf Ball, Yellow Face, Pencil, and Fanny could be described as mean but still persist over many others.
Because in vote to safe, the irrelevant characters get out first.
I mean she's still in here because of vote to save in TPOT. Because a lot of people find her funny. And she doesn't rven throw challenges for the purpose of throwing them
"only the mean characters get out first" is a main criticism of vote to eliminate. In vote to save, characters who cause conflict have more opportunity to stay. I think the issue does come in however when you get the fans who get very aggressive when you vote for a character they personally deem the one who deserves to go. Pillow is also a great example of this in fact, as someone who has consistently voted for Pillow to keep her from being eliminated, I've definitely encountered fans who get very upset at the fact I could even consider voting to keep Pillow "since she caused her team to lose". The mindset of vote to eliminate is still present in the fanbase, and there's a lot of tension associated with voting cause you never know if a subset of the fans will decide the character you like doesn't deserve to be there anymore and will start attacking you for voting for them.
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7:12 whos going to tell him