Reading Celeste's Negative Reviews (So You don't have to!)
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2021
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The review page on steam is usually not all that useful.
You can just look over near the tags, see that it says "Overwhelmingly positive" and know that this game is probably pretty good. If it's not good, it'll let you know. Scrolling down to read the reviews is usually not worth your time.
However, one day I was feeling curious.
Why do these people hate this "Overwhelmingly Positive" game in the first place? And why did they feel so strongly about it that they wanted to leave a review? And most importantly, is there anything useful we can take from their opinions? 
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Also, i really appreciate this attitude of "here's a game i love, let's find if there are legittimate bad things about it, even if i have to dig throught a pile of transphobic shit to find out".
Congrats on pin
This game uses my pain to to keep me going
What? Transphobic? isn't that a term for people that don't agree with LGBTQ+? What does it have to do with a game?
@@Kacszu the dev is trans and people dont like the game for that
@@Kacszu The developer is trans, a lot of the negative reviews are just hate targeted towards them because of that.
Here’s the thing, assist mode actually pairs with Celeste’s message.
It’s okay to ask for help.
Yeah but, so many of the options will carry you completely
This is an outstanding point and I wish that I had let that sink in when I played it lol
I had to use assist mode in the last couple of levels because I wanted to see how the whole story played out, and it was beyond my skill level. But it definitely didn’t feel good to have to resort to using it. It didn’t make me salty, but it made me feel WAY less excited about completing the game.
Now the white palace in Hollow Knight. THAT shit made me salty lol.
@@cubeofmeat4982 Yeah, but the slowdown mode tho. That one is literally perfect for this game, since timing and execution is the main difficulty. It lets you fine tune the difficulty for your level of reaction time. Dash assist is also well made, especially if you're on joystick controls, letting you initiate a dash in the right direction every time, but you still need to time the dash, since you can't cancel it once you hit the button.
I never used it, but my brother did for the last screen of farewell, and he said it felt fine, quoting "It doesn't feel like cheating, I'm just telling the game that I need it to back off because I'm not having fun, and it does"
They obviously didn't get that far through the storyline...
The English Language being represented by a Canadian Flag is hilarious, I thought it showed that because I live in Canada, but it would’ve been even funnier if the French option was also the Canadian flag just to piss off people from France.
The game shows the canadian flag because Celeste is a real mountain located in Canada. Without the supernatural elements, ofc.
No no I'm french and it definitely should have been the flag of Canada or Quebec
And the "Portuguese" has Brazil's flag, portuquese people are in pain rn
Why does it have the Canadian flag though
@@BrimmFate cause the devs are canadian
"Extremely good game just not for me" is a fantastic and honest review because instead of calling it bad just for it not being there cup of tea or to diffucult isnt fair,but saying it just isnt for you is a perfectly fine and reasonable review
Yeah but feels a bit weird that its still a negative review when it was already acknowledged as a good game by that person
@@tekbox7909 They can understand why this game this good for others and they accept it,but they personally dont like it because its not their type of game
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@@tekbox7909 There should be an option to give a "Neutral" review in Steam, critics can do this, why not us?
@@skell6134 Let's say, for example, someone doesn't like FPS games. Would it not be unreasonable for them to go around leaving bad reviews on very good FPS games because they don't like the genre?
i find it interesting how even if they complained about the difficulty, a lot of them still complimented the story, characters, or music. i think it says a lot about a game when negative reviews still have something good to say
yeah uhh thats what negative reviews are
just criticism
@@abdelhaditayebbeyThe issue lies in having only two options, good or bad. Often constructive critism is somewhere in the middle. And while these few bad reviews don't affect the larger good portion, it would be nice to have like a mixed review where your review doesn't actually affect the review score. Just my opinion.
@@JasuQ Imagine if user reviews had the "informational" review category like steam curators do. if only...
You should see the reviews of the actual mountain
YES
I'm gonna climb that one day, mark my words
perished on the climb
would not attempt ascent again
There are none. Everyone died.
can you share some of them?
I wouldn't call Celeste bad for casuals. I'm a casual and I loved it. The rapid reset time made it so simple to play. The C sides and farewell are definitely super hard, but getting to the top of the mountain is perfectly casual friendly
You are not a casual anymore if you finish the last level without assist mode
Which is the last level for you, The end of the normal Climb 7a, the end of the base game(excluding the b and c sides) 8a or the end of the dlc Chapter 9. Because I agree if you talk about farewell as the last chapter, but 7a and 8a are quite manageable if you invest a few hours into them, even as a casual
@@RubyWiese either c side or chapter 9
@@astral_panda8945what’s assist mode?
@@gamercentral2417 it allows you to turn on various things to help make the game a better experience for people who don't won't to bother with the tough as nails difficulty of celestial. Stuff like invincibility, slowing down time, infinite dashs and other useful stuff
Not using "Assist mode" can be also caused by fear of robbing yourself of intended experience, and the fun that is supposed to come with it.
THIS. I consider myself pretty good at platformers/metroidvanias (I did The White Palace's Path of Pain in 30 hours but still) when motivated, (This will come in later) and when the game offered me assist mode, two things popped in my head:
1) This is a really hard game and I should be careful
2) This is here because people can't complete the game without it
I wanted to prove to myself that I didn't need it (I literally said "I don't need help) and I didn't wanted to experience the game to its fullest.
The assist mide actually made the hame seem harder than it actually was, and after doing 7A, I asked, "Is there a way to make it harder?"
Then I found B-sides and they are much more in line what I thought the base game was going to be.
When I find something too hard, I stop playing and take a break for a day to recharge. Then I can complete it. I only did it once in the Mirror Temple when it was 11:30 at night and I couldn't handle the stress from tbat chapter anymore.
B-sides are making me take breaks because of how hard it is, not from stress or exhaustion. I like it. Every cleared room is a victory.
As of yet I'm on Golden Ridge's B-side and assist mode remains off. I'll updaye this if any changes happen but this is all for 8A amother round in a few days let's die another 1,000 times
P.s. I took the "Be proud of your death count" postcard to heart, I died 856 times in Oshiro 😊
Edit:
I'm in the last room of Farewell. Assist mode remains off. Badeline has talked to me twice. I'm so determined to complete this.
Edit 2: I beat Farewell and then did it again. I have completed all the C-sides and Assist Mode remains off. I am now going for Goldens which might make me break, but I'm working on 3a and 6a. Chapter 3 is going to end me.
Assist mode should absolutely not be a feature
@@jeremiahbaugh8195 I heavily disagree with this. Assist mode should be a feature. Not only does it tie in well with the game's message if "It's okay to ask for help," but it helps people with physical disabilities so they can tweak the game"s difficulty to what suits them.
Someone could have nerve damage in their fingers and thus have slower reaction time: What then? Their body won't magically fix itself. That's why assist mode is called literally that: "Assist" mode. It's there to help you completely the game, not for you to cheat. The game trusts the player to want to experience the game to the fullest for them to choose to turn on assist mode and its many uses.
@@beginthewar9681 can we get an update on this?
Yep! Assist Mode is still off, I've goldened 1a, 1c, 2a, 2c, and trying to golden 4a and 4c. I'm physically dying and this might break me. I am afraid for Farewell.
I love how he showed a negative review that just said ‘trans developer’ when he put the worthless text on the screen
It is objectively pretty worthless
@@Eye5x5 wow what a fun fact :0
@@Eye5x5 no one cares
@@Eye5x5 fact invalid.
@@Eye5x5 i was gonna write an entire paragraph, but then i saw you were russian, so... i guess your forced to and grew up like that? but i still recommend when putin gets assassinated or something, that you change your opinions, even with the childhood trauma
I'm a bit late, but I have something to say:
I've played Celeste for 120 hours (mods included) on KEYBOARD, and it was completely fine. I tried controller, but I still prefer keyboard.
I'm at about half of that playtime. I used controller for most of it, but switched to keyboard a few weeks ago and have no intention of ever switching back. I expected feathers to be difficult and to have to essentially relearn speed tech from scratch, but I did not run into much of a learning curve at all, and both aspects were easier for me on keyboard almost immediately.
I have 1600 hours in celeste and about 20 minutes of it is controller
I have 400 hours and 0 on controller
Same. Except I have not tried a controller.
I personally use controller (because keyboard just doesn't suit me for this game, I've tried), and I understand what people say in the video about inputs not always being consistent, but the reason for that is that Celeste only has 8 directions of motion (excluding variants and the feathers), and so a control stick with a full 360 degree range of motion can result in the player thinking their fingers are in one place when they're actually in another, causing a dash to go in the wrong direction. Just using keyboard or dpad fixes this though. Here's my thing about some of these reviews regarding controller options though. You can connect both a controller and a keyboard to Steam, so what is the problem? You don't complain about the controls of Smash because the DK Bongo Drums are limited, you choose a controller that isn't the DK Bongos, you know?
Also most people use keyboard, how does it not suit the game? lol
The difficulty negative reviews are very valuable to some people. When I was looking for games similar to Ori, I came across Celeste. Complaints of it being like Super Meat Boy had me looking elsewhere.
well, I didn't play celeste for a very long time even so I had it free on epic for the same reason : I played super meat boy and didn't enjoyed that much, barely reaching the half of the main game.
BUT i've recently seen an handfull of "casual" streamer playing celeste and enjoying it, that made me want to give it a try, and I actually enjoy it and reach the end of the main campagn. at start I was expecting to use the assist mode sooner or later, but I finally menage without it even if an handfull of screen have been more frustrating and almost made me go for it.
all that to say, everyone is différent and every games are differents too, so dont hesitate to give it a try if you can get it cheap
I was able to beat the main Celeste story, but never beat super meat boy. Farewell and the C sides for Celeste though…
@@weeelums5963same.
The main story is way easier than super meat boy, but the side content is on par or harder most of the time.
Celeste isn’t too hard (main game). It also has a genuine story along with fun mechanics, the physics are also AMAZING. I wouldn’t even call it a non casual game like meat boy is
playing the harder parts of celeste made me realize that I don't normally play games with my whole brain. there are somehow celeste screens which MAKE you focus your eyes and your movement and improve your breathing and nothing else really does that to me... even playing notoriously hard games from other genres I just sneak and cheese my way through, but with celeste I am truly playing the game as intended. it takes a while to get there though, I understand the frustration people can have
yeah, i havent beaten it yet but so far some of the most difficult parts have made me really focus. its probably the most ive ever had to focus on a game, and its a really nice contrast to some other games that i kind of just cruise through.
I didn’t mind the difficulty all that much, especially with the game restarting you at the beginning of each room. I didn’t care if I kept dying, I just wanted to see Madeline climb that mountain.
the adorable story is definitely part of what kept me playing, which also helped me appreciate the challenging gameplay. It was kind of a positive feedback loop
game isn't even that hard. I suck at platformers and I managed to get one of the endings. I'm sure I'm able to 100% it if I really try.
@@sammshoyu8434 Yes and that’s the beauty of Celeste. I think so many people get difficulty and frustration mixed up. Something can be difficult without being frustrating. The game restarts you at the beginning of every room you enter which makes the game super forgiving, but it’s still very much a hard game. Trial and error is there by the bucketloads but you don’t have to start the whole level over when you die. That’s what good difficulty should be. The reason it feels so easy to beat is that it isn’t frustrating so you always keep trying over and over no matter how much you fail because failure is just a slap on the wrist, (just be prepared for a very VERY sore wrist by the end) , and before you know it the game is beaten. It’s fun because the difficulty keeps you engaged but the forgiving death system keeps you from rage quitting. I’m bad at explaining but to summarize, games with difficulty are fun, games with frustration are not, the two are not the same, and Celeste is the former not the latter.
also, restarting is super quick! in other games, say mario maker, it takes a good 5-10 seconds after death to get back into gameplay. in celeste its just one second which i appreciate
Yeah, I've never really understood the impact gamers feel when they die. Dying is apart of gaming for me, I couldn't imagine getting through a game without dying a bunch. If death wasn't a possibility, it'd feel like there's nothing to play for
Eh...I can sympathize with the reviews about difficulty, if only due to the place Celeste has carved out in the gaming culture.
Celeste is talked about as a game EVERYONE has to play, and I do think there's a point in expressing that it's not for everybody. Nothing truly is for everybody, but Celeste particularly is a game that it's impossible to escape from for being kinda niche.
Most people would be able to beat the main story though.
I think breathing os for everybody
I really didnt like this game tbh. Or anyone wondering why (potential buyers) these are my reasons:
1: if your like me and hate 2D pixel art then yeah
2: if you hate platformers yeah
Otherwise great💀😂
if something is a game "you have to play" - then it is either unique mechanics or a really good story
e.g. "to the moon" is a 'boring' snes-style walking simulator.
But the story+music elivates this game for me to a piece of art that I enjoyed immensly for those 2,5h
Same goes for 'Return of the Obra Dinn' or "Her story". The gameplay is barely there, but unique experiences you will most likely remember for a long time or the rest of your life.
@@YK.Its.Turtle then... why did you buy it?!
is this satire?
The thing is though, it's supposed to be difficult narratively. A girl with anxiety and depression is traversing a known terribly difficult mountain. Not exactly two things that mix together. You climb as Madeline up Celeste Mountain and every screen you pass and checkpoint you hit is an accomplishment. You, and Madeline, are GROWING. You're both getting better. I believe the story is eh to say the least. But the gameplay for being a precision platformer, it does the job and it does it extremely well
Honestly opposite views at the end. I liked the gameplay and would definitely do play it all again, but holy shit that story was beautiful. I'm still finishing up chapter 9, but man it is so good personally.
I feel that the challenge feeds to the theme of it being hard to get out of depresjon and transitioning. These things arent meant to be easy; neither is the game.
i've also seen another comment about how assist mode fits perfectly with the theme of the game, because it's okay to ask for help when you're struggling, even if doing so feels hard :)
i've invested myself a fair bit into this game and i'd like to give my two cents
- a lot of the accessibility options that you mentioned were added quite recently. 50% screen shake, grab toggles, and freeform button binding, for instance, are a courtesy of 1.4.0.0, the most recent patch that is barely a month or two old. the devs are commited to accessibility, which is great, but it's really obvious it's an area they're slowly getting experience with.
- keyboard is NOT terrible. many many many speedrunners play on keyboard (myself included) to great effect, it has legitimate advantages over gamepads (e.g.: way more bindable keys), there are fair arguments to some strats being legitimately easier on keyboard; like it straight up is a good way to play the game. all the people complaining about their diagonal dashes becoming cardinal dashes? would straight up not happen on keyboard (or a dpad for that matter, but it's not that obvious that the dpad is a good way to play the game where in a keyboard it's the only option). even the feathers, which you'd think would give keyboard players some trouble, isn't even that bad because the lack of precise angles means it moves in a very predictable and consistent manner, and unless you wanna take some really edgy and precise lines you will lose no time or have any trouble with the feathers.
- about assist mode: i legitimately think it's not that good. yes, ego is the only thing keeping you from turning it on, but also there's really no options that don't instantly make the game a thousand times easier - easier than you'd probably like if you're just slightly struggling to get through. it's 100% understandable that people can have trouble wiith the game and still not want straight up invincibility or infinite dashing. dash assist is maybe the only mechanic that isn't that extreme in its effect and i think assist mode REALLY needed more stuff like this; stuff that makes the game easier but by a small amount so you can ACTUALLY fine-tune the difficulty to your liking instead of Assist Mode feeling like a "give up" button
i play on keyboard and its very easy. Yes, i may have like 200 deaths on chapter 1. but thats just my experience with paltformers. celeste is the first platformer i played.
I started on keyboard, and quit a few screens into chapter 1 once I realized I would love this game, and bought a controller. Once my controller arrived, I played through the game multiple times, and completed 1b, 2b, and 8a.
Recently, in the past few weeks, I decided to try keyboard. I set up some keybinds which took advantage of the thumb keys on the Ergodox, opened up my main file, started Prologue, and played through until Summit on keyboard. I tried to get as many collectibles along the way as possible, even picking up a few in most chapters I hadn't gotten yet. I expected there to be a lot of difficulty re-learning how to hyper and wave dash, but I actually found both to transfer very smoothly to the keyboard, and be easier to execute. I had more trouble remembering which keys were jump and dash than I had actually executing an extended hyper. I had expected the feather to be an issue, to the point that my initial plan was to switch my left hand, covering ESDF for movement, to the controller stick, while continuing to use my right hand for other controls. I gave up on that on the first screen of 6a, and was surprised to find that feather movement really wasn't that bad on keyboard. Once I got used to it, I felt a lot more consistent in many of the more difficult Badeline Fight screens. I have since completed 3b for the first time ever, finally got some consistency on Search Skip and the wavedash skip in 5a to skip going left for the bubble, and finally figured out how to set up a vertical hyper (align Madeline almost directly under the edge of the wall, not next to the wall).
Part of it may be that I just am more comfortable with keyboard controls. I started Hollow Knight around the same time I started Celeste, and have used a keyboard with that from the beginning to take advantage of more comfortable bindings and the lack of analog movement in Hollow Knight, so I was getting practice with platformer movement on keyboard all the time I was using controller in Celeste.
I totally agree that more gradation in assist mode would be nice.
I know right, like that guy was legit just bad ig because the only thing I did was rebind climb to ctrl and from there everything just gets into the flow you just need to practise, as you would need to do with a controller too.
regarding assist mode: yeah, it would be nice to have some additional options. from a post on r/celestegame, someone called Rickfernello (who recently did a 0 death 100% run, which is really crazy) suggested additional settings for assist mode such as health bars (an extension to invincibility), slowdown toggle buttons (an extension to game speed), dash assist slowdown instead of freeze, and a guiding silhouette (functions like arrows from Super Mario Odyssey, but like the silhouette of wavedash tutorial rooms). to avoid overcomplicating things for new players, it was also suggested that assist levels should be added, with clear labels telling the player about the experience they would be getting for each level.
also keyboard feels quite nice. I’m most definitely biased because I only have a keyboard, and I already have experience playing with games on keyboard (things like Trackmania and Touhou), but it controls quite nicely. feathers are slightly awkward because I keep trying to steer by tapping repeatedly, but even that’s mostly a skill issue (along with my insistence with taking tight racing lines when I clearly shouldn’t lol)
I’ve only ever held a controller once in my life, and I wasn’t even ten years old back then. So of course, I would only be able to play with a keyboard. Also, I turned the Assist Mode on right away because I knew I was kinda garbage at all games due to not having any experience. But still, I wanted to at least try.
But then.. I was *very* surprised that the process was way easier than I expected. I had, like, a 100 deaths in 1a, and 85 or so in 2a. I heard that 3a is usually considered a “difficulty spike” compared to previous levels, and... I didn’t even really feel that. I got a full clear in less than an hour.
Now, I *did* struggle with some rooms beginning with 4a. I just couldn’t press buttons correctly fast enough. I tried slowdown in assist mode, but it didn’t really help. Instead, it just made me have to adjust to a different timing. So I bailed on that idea. And then it turned out that my problem came from the fact that my laptop isn’t a gaming PC, so it doesn’t allow me to press more than three buttons at the same time. So I decided to “solve” this problem by switching grab to “inverse” for those rooms that seem to require it. Is works well enough. (Also, I recently replayed that first room and just.. did it first try, so I also might have been overcomplicating it the first time around, too.)
Anyway... the C-sides are the only thing that I *actually* never want to do ever again. 3c’s last screen traumatized me pretty seriously :D...
Also, “Reflection” is the best stage in any difficulty. I just... really love rooms where I need to free-fall. I feels really nice. It’s like I always thought when watching let’s plays: don’t be afraid of what’s below you. Just trust the developer to guide you through it. So Badeline fight is just fantastic fro me. The movement through those rooms is just so... smooth and.. I don’t know. It feels like dancing. The way you’re always thrown from her into the exact position you need to be next. So you just keep falling. I love that.
if a game "isn't your sort of thing" I think it's pretty understandable to post a negative review of the reasoning behind that.
Yeah, because that way you can keep other people who won't be interested from making a purchase they'll regret. I always read the negative reviews of games before buying them.
ikr not sure why op was surprised when people who didnt enjoy the game left a negative review explaining what they didnt like about it
@@stinker6784 There's a clear difference between explaining why it isn't your type of game, and blatantly outing yourself as having a skill issue. It's why simple "game bad" reviews are generally disregarded.
Negative reviews are a core part of why we have reviews
I don't think negative reviews are necessarily a bad thing. Course, there are stupid ones, like "GAME BAD, BUY NOT" kind of thing, but you can dislike a game and still give very good insight and recommendation on what could work better, and explain why you dislike the game, and the same applies to why you like a game if you put a positive review, which will both ultimately help people find a game they know they'll enjoy or avoid games buying games that negative reviews could've ultimately helped them save money
Negative reviews are a good thing, but if it is used wisely. Same applies to positive reviews. Some positive reviews are just "game good" and give no insight whatsoever onto the why of it, and is just as annoying as negative reviews
Not if your job is to be a reviewer and you can't even figure out how to beat the Cuphead tutorial in less than 10 minutes lol.
"People gushing about how great their favorite game is is not interesting to anyone."
(0:36)
HARD disagree. I love listening to my friends do that, and I enjoy reading positive reviews for games I know better than the people who wrote the reviews because it's cool to see what exactly made them like it. (Also the memes are occasionally funny.)
The funny thing to me is that I got Celeste because a friend told me it was "pretty hard, kinda like Hollow Knight", and admittedly I did go in expecting something similar-ish, but Celeste still managed to keep me completely hooked on the movement because - unlike Hollow Knight - it's a lot more floaty and easier to direct.
I adore Hollow Knight, and I love how Bug Knight controls. Maddie is hard for me. I kept thinking (dang, if I had my nail, I’d be outta here an hour ago) ^_^
Only if I could pogo off spikes in Celeste
Personally, I wouldn't call Madeline "floaty." Her jump is pretty short, and has a decent bit of hang time, but she ascends and descends quite quickly. Madeline gives you enough time in the air to truly control where you want to go, but feels snappy and responsive, even when falling. Most characters I would call "floaty" tend to rise and fall slowly, making them feel like air-filled balloons. It's like you're jumping on the moon. And when they don't have great air-control, they're excruciating.
But yes, your point stands: Madeline is very responsive, and is a well-designed platforming character.
i had the same thing but reversed, going into hollow knight after celeste and booyyyy i had some rocky start......
well Celeste doesnt have a plantera of movement options, combat and enemies
great video i love how you talked about how the difficulty of celeste isn't cognitive but technical
Yeah, I don't think it's mentioned enough that it's not as bad as it sounds, because much of the precision in Celeste is not reaction based, but rhythm based. And humans are quite good at discerning very subtle differences in rhythm.
I disagree slightly; the game has a big share of puzzles, and one (or several) intended ways of completing it, which requires at least some thinking.
But yes, as someone said: it is more about planning your movement than straight up thinking.
@@Rickfernello this ^
There's definitely a cognitive element to it. I might not be the best at puzzles, but I'm pretty decent. That being said, i noticed that quite a few of the levels could be done in several ways, and i find myself trying to map out the best route a few different times.
@@Rickfernello I feel like the game is heavily influenced by climbing (well, the thematic of the game is to climb a mountain so...). You kinda have to plan out your path, but more by simulating a path in your mind rather than doing logical thinking..
@@Shinigami435 The thing is you can look up the route you need to take online if needed but that's only part of the work because you still need to execute.
I think such negative reviews are very valid. Because even though Celeste may have 97% positive reviews, that doesn't mean if every gamer bought it 97% of them would enjoy or finish it. It sometimes feels like games are praised to oblivion. For example, on the subreddit r/shouldibuythisgame a person asked whether they should buy Hades even though they don't enjoy roguelikes at all. And people were still recommending it. But if you don't enjoy the genre you probably won't enjoy this game either. That's where I see the problem with people blindly recommending a game, and then that's where those negative reviews come from. People were promised they would enjoy a game even though they generally don't like the genre, or in case of celeste people might think "i don't like really difficult games" but still buy it just because people still recommend it. And then I think such negative reviews are valid.
Yeah that's definitely a good point, I think if you're looking at reviews for a game that's in a genre that you know you don't like then you've gone too far. Looking at the "difficult, precision platformer" tags should be enough for most people to realise that it's in a genre they don't like
But then the person should have buyed the game . Or keep realistic expectations in case they dont enjoy despite people recommending . I dont enjoy fps games. But you dont see buying fps games and leave negative reviews because i dont enjoy them. That seems dumb to me. Stick to your lane or when branching out keep an open mind about the games to at least not leave a negative review
@@michodali5342 Sometimes you also have to try a genre you don't know if you'll like or not, and likely won't like. I tried Hollow Knight and Celeste, because I had never really given platformers a good go to see if I liked them, and I fell in love with both games. But I'm not a huge fan of most genres of games, so going into it I knew I probably wouldn't like them as much as I thought I would. Of course, I turned out to be wrong on that count, but I couldn't have known that then.
also the fact is, 97% positive reviews means 97% of people who were willing to say "it's probably the game's fault" if they didn't like it, thought "i had fun with the game," which is valuble
i’m confused. so if you don’t like a game because you don’t like the genre you shouldn’t leave a negative review?
As a total casual scrub who's never played a platformer before, I absolutely _loved_ Celeste. It was painfully difficult, required stupid levels of precision and goddamnit thos strawberries are so annoying to get sometime, I don't care if they're optional I WANT MY DAMN STRAWBERRY! But also, at the same time, the whole plot of the game centered around a character who was _exactly_ the same kind of stubborn, out-of-their-depth idiot that I was, someone who had decided to do something hard come hell or high water just to prove to themselves that they could. My own reasons for playing the game couldn't have lined up more perfectly with Madeline's reasons for climbing the mountain, and even if most casual players won't have _that_ kind of synergistic experience I feel like a lot of the people who play Celeste that are already good at platformers kind of miss out on that beautiful experience I had, where the game is actually a struggle to them and they can thus relate to the main message of the whole thing.
Wow, that first negative review was actually very justified and brought up a good point, I did not expect that at all
It blows my mind that Celeste doesn’t have a colorblind mode. They can just be hue remapping - a literal post-processing effect - and still get the job done. Honestly disappointed that a game that went to such lengths for “accessibility” failed to do something so easy
While that would work to some extent, working with fewer colors might exacerbate contrast issues if you dont go in and manually reassign colors for different backgrounds and objects. Though I do agree with you 100%, colorblindness is way too common for a game this large to just ignore.
I agree, honestly. It's silly that they couldn't do it, or add it in later in any sense.
Ok I actually don’t understand this. If colorblindness is making it hard for you to see some obstacles, just turn on assist mode
@@Excelsior1937 why should you have to, if that's the only issue?
Also....how many games out there actually do have colorblind modes? (I sure wish the Metroid Prime games did, maybe I'd finally be able to see where the hell I'm going.)
My dad is Red / Green colorblind and he beat the game with no issues. I can’t speak for the other types of color blindness though
Theo isnt poggers and trans developer are the best examples of bad reviews
theo IS cool
"Theo isn't poggers" cracked me up tho, i won't lie
both equally hateful as far as im concerned
@@ashencometmom5291 wtf no
Yeah they’re bad reviews because they have no real impact on the game, well I guess if someone thought a character in the game wasn’t ‘pog’ that would be a valid criticism
But you can’t just say you dislike something solely because of the dev
I must agree with one thing mentioned in these comments: the range of the diagonal axes is way too small and it's really easy to go right, up, left or down instead.
Thank you for making this! I've thought about diving in there before but it's so frustrating to see but now I can see someone else do it.
3:46 *what*
i did every c side and farewell without too much difficulty without touching a contorller, felt great
It's more of a stereotype than something that's actually true, if I'm honest. People do always say that 2d platformers are bad on keyboard, though that's not necessarily actually true. I couldnt really get used to celeste on keyboard myself
I have 192 berries now with keyboard only. It wasn't easy, but with a bit of perseverance and routing, it isn't that difficult.
@@binathiessen4920 Well it wouldn't be easy on a controller either!
Counterpoint:
Ori and the blind forrest feels amazing with a mouse and keyboard
@@laszlokaszas1003 A mouse? I have not played either Ori game. I'd like to, but I'm concerned my computer may have trouble running it.
i remember back when the game first came out i was reading negative reviews with my friends and i found one that was absolutely livid over "pixel perfect jumps" and we thought it was so funny that its still a recurring joke to this day
I actually always read good and bad reviews before buying the game, it's a good way to know about the qualities and defaults of the game, it's very useful
7:52 Guess what, personal reviews are ALWAYS subjective by nature. If I didn't like a game, I leave a negative review. We wouldn't need that many reviews if things are always objectively good or bad
i also got curious and looked through some reviews a few weeks ago and found one that was more or less just "this game requires you to do a lot of precise platforming".. on a.. precision platformer..? like i feel like if your ultimate message in your review could just as easily be recieved by just looking at the tags of the game, then the game doesnt deserve that negative review on record
same goes with the "good game, not for me" because that gives NO information to people looking to get it. like, nobody knows you or your tastes, and you were so vague that people cant even figure out if they have similar preferences to you or not
Bri ish Adam Carra is back
All jokes aside, this was a phenomenal video! It's insane how high your production value is, considering you don't put ads on even your longer videos. I think most people wouldn't mind a start- and end-ad, as that's what they're used to from other RUclipsrs, so that's maybe something to consider.
Thanks! I recently did activate monetisation after my channel became eligible for it, I was hoping that videos being monetised might make youtube more likely to promote them lol
this video is absolutely brill, not sure why it has so little views! wish you the best in future videos
I’d like to raise a point that I feel was overlooked when talking about “it should be clear the game isn’t for everyone.”
Celeste is a BIG game within the indie sphere, on par with other renowned games like Hollow Knight and Ori for example, and with all popular games, you get people claiming it’s a “must play for everyone,” (as well as players following the “next big thing,” but that’s a seperate topic).
Perhaps a friend recommends it to you without thought on if you’d enjoy it, (I wouldn’t recommend DOOM to someone who plays entirely life sim games for an exaggerated example), and I’ve found from experience in many other indie communities beyond just Celeste’s that it tends to be the FANS that don’t know that the game’s not for everyone, and will recommend the game to everyone they know and their dogs.
I’m guilty of this myself don’t get me wrong, but since I came to this realisation I’ve tried putting a bit more thought into my recommendations beyond just “I like this game go play it too,” as if I recommend a game I want the person to actually enjoy it.
Anyway, sorry for rambling, just spitting out some thoughts I had while watching this :)
It’s weird that people say that this game wasn’t meant to be played on PC, because every person who I’ve talked to that is good at Celeste prefers keyboard because it’s much easier to avoid mixing up cardinal and diagonal inputs. I play on controller and, at first, I thought the game was constantly taking in my inputs wrong. But eventually I realized that no, it wasn’t a game problem, my hands weren’t accurately translating what I wanted to do into the correct left stick input, and I had just never played a precision game before where that was a major issue.
I’ve put 220 hours into the game on my Nintendo Switch and I don’t have any input problems anymore. I do still occasionally dash in the wrong direction, but I’m able to recognize exactly what happened and correct it on my next attempt with minimal effort.
I temporarily turn on game assists (give me a story, infinite ammo, whatever the assist in Control is called) once I reach a part in a game that is difficult to the point that I am no longer having fun. I typically still don't have fun with that section (because it's still hard af, and because I know I'm cheesing it), but it lets me move past the un-fun portion and revert the game back to how it's meant to be played for the remainder of the game.
Edit: portions of games that have received this treatment are as follows: Sigrun from God of War, the Dark Lord fight in Doom Eternal, the expedition islands in Control (the rewards aren't even any good! What the hell?), And various boss fights throughout my years of playing games. I will never play a Souls game, I will never git gud, and I'm okay with that. I'm not playing games because I love reading all the loading screen tips as I revert to previous checkpoints.
Feel that bro, and with that said: F*** you demon prince.
I like a challange, thats why i love DS, Sekiro, Celeste, Rayman 1 and so on. But at some point, when i've tried it so many times for hours, i dont have fun anymore. Especially if you have to play for solid 10+ minutes just to get another try and then fail.
I disagree with the sentiment of the video, I think it’s okay to leave a negative review if a game isn’t for you. Yes people should know going in that it’s hard, but I don’t think that should stop them trying it and then sharing that they had a negative experience.
One thing is understand and accepting when something being too difficult ruined your experience (like, not being able to perform to the highest level in DMC), the other is assuming that every game should cater to your ability and that in not doing so, an objectively good game becomes a bad one. You can "enjoy something and never want to touch it again", that's completely fine
I absolutely agree!
agree
2:57 as a Canadian I am fine with this but legit thought it was a “variant” of English (like Canadian English vs American English)
It kinda is a variant, It’s a combination of both
Also why is portugues show with a brazil flag
Thank you for using the celeste track reflections, it is very underated
Even if Celeste isn't designed for colorblind people, I believe there might be some mods or something to activate colorblind mode, if possible.
Also windows itself has a colorblind mode that acts like a filter over entire screen
At least to me it's infuriating how people use reviews.
What's more the way our brain works you can read ten good reviews and one negative and that negative might still outweigh all the others.
That's why it's annoying even games like BOTW or Celeste get these in reality useless reviews that taint peoples opinions and might make them not get and play these incredible experiences.
It gets worse when looking at a place like meta critic where it feels like half the reviews are 10 and the other half is 0
I don't think i've ever played a game i would call 10. I've also never seen a 0 game.
It's like a 10 is a positive and 0 is a negative. The others are useless. You have people who see a 10 on a game they don't think deserves it so they balance it out with a zero. And then someone sees that zero and balances it out with a ten. And the cycle goes on.
Professional reviews aren't really trustworthy either since they have to be made so fast and also of course there's the fact that if they give a bad score to a big game the developer won't give them early copies.
so it's really hard to find a reliable review is what i'm trying to say with this overly long comment.
Luckily on steam, the "most popular" reviews will appear at the top. So for a game like Celeste, that is widely regarded as being really good, all of the top reviews will be positive. I had to manually search for the negative reviews, so nobody is likely to have their viewpoint tainted by these reviews because they probably wont see them. But you're right, the only people that care enough to leave a review are the people that either despised it or loved it, the middle ground opinions aren't heard because they didn't care enough to leave a review
okay but BotW is just trash
it's a fun walking simulator, but not worthy of the Legend of Zelda title
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan sure. Or maybe some people are able to appreciate the game for what it is instead of trying to force it through the hole every other zelda fits through. Yes I completely agree it's very unlike the other zeldas but that isn't a negative. Just a fact. The game and especially the world is a magnificent work of art and to dismiss everything it has to offer simply because it's not what you want a zelda game to be is doing yourself a great disservice. But I can't tell you what to like. Just like you can't tell anyone else the game is bad because from our eyes the game is MUCH MUCH more than what you give it credit for.
Frankly I'd assume you dislike it just because it's popular. It's an interesting phenomenon. I used to dislike the music Muse puts out nowadays and other people liking it just strenghtened my feelings. Old muse was and is my favorite band but now at 16 I'm finally mature enough to accept that I won't get the muse I want but that doesn't mean their new music doesn't have value too. It's not for me and botw probably isn't for you either but I hope that you actually give it a proper chance (provided that you already haven't, which is possible but just judging by your reply it sounds your hatred for the game is a tad bit irrational).
@@oonkymppa5923 I like a lot of popular things, sometimes a little too much, and I look back at some of the things I've said online years and years ago and just feel disappointed
but that doesn't change the fact that I don't BotW is a Zelda game, and Nintendo could have just launched a new IP like they did with Splatoon or ARMS
imagine if either of those games were Mario games, you could easily see that because Mario hasn't been just a platformer for a few decades now
but with Zelda, suddenly having a game that deviates from the entire rest of the series while still having the same plot and characters just feels wrong, no matter how good so many people say the game is
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan I understand completely what you mean but I just don't understand why it matters. Calling it a zelda gave a boost to the game in terms of marketting. If it was made under a different name it wouldn't have sold as well. Also it's close enough to a zelda that it would've been weird for it to be completely unrelated.
what are the bits at 6:35 ? i haven't gotten to the heart of the mountain or the b sides yet and that looks really cool so if its one of those I might get back into the game
Beat the Core, make sure you have at least 15 hearts (or cheese past the wall that requires them) and then suffer through the hardest platformer level that I know of.
I love “only try this game if you like games of this genre, don’t play it if you don’t like this genre at all!!!” because like thats pretty obvious
I don't think it's just ego when it comes to not turning on assist mode! I know part of why I don't tend to turn on easy modes in certain games is because it feels like I'm not really playing the game the way it was made to be played, and with a game like Celeste, perfecting the platforms is fundamentally what the game is. It's not like there's a deep story I'm aching to get through for Celeste, so winning through assist mode just, wouldn't really feel like winning. I will say with Celeste, I played a bit of it and mostly feel like it's a game I don't get very much from, personally. I can appreciate the graphics/it's history as a pico game/and the charm others have found in it, but I don't need to play it to enjoy those, and honestly find it more enjoyable just looking it up online rather than playing it first hand. Heck, then I can even watch people complete the much harder difficulties, and that's way more entertaining than dying in normal or assist mode.
i think that the difficoulty in celeste makes you proud of finishing every stage and make you want to continue
That last review is the gigachad of negative reviews
The vast majority of the reviews you show are completely valid. You liking the game does not invalidate other folk's negative experiences with it. The review box is literally there to express these sorts of concerns. If they are a minority the game will get an 'Overwhelmingly positive' but other people can see these concerns and decide if they apply to them.
Something I find fascinating is how my sibling loves Celeste and hated playing Hollow Knight, while I hated playing Celeste but love Hollow Knight. It makes sense knowing what I know now about the two games, but I was scared off of Hollow Knight for ages and ages because my sibling introduced me to both of them, only had me play Celeste... and called them both platformers. Turns out, no, they're just entirely different categories of games and I love metroidvanias but find platformers repetitive and too frustrating, while they love platformers but find metroidvanias too lacking in direction. Neither game is inherently better or worse, but each one is certainly better or worse for each of us. Celeste was one of the most painful gaming experiences I've ever had, while I still remember how frustrated and disheartened my sibling got while trying to beat Hollow Knight. Both games are great in their own right, they just... weren't right for everyone.
I also still love Celeste, simply because of how much my sibling loved it. Still need to bug them into playing Hollow Knight as payback...
i actually respect the "extremely good game, just not for me" review, i don't really see the issue with subjective negative reviews as long as they're not pretending to be objective
3:49 Something worth remembering is that reviews don't exist to teach game designers. As with any critique, there's lessons that a developer or team can take from reviews, but that's not who they're for. Reviews are for the players; the consumers. It's natural to feel an empathetic sense of injustice when a problem is unavoidable or beyond the designers control, but that doesn't solve the problem. It's important that these issues are voiced in reviews because they might very well be deal breakers for someone looking to invest time or money into a product, regardless if the developers did the best they could or not. It might feel unfair, but it would be more unfair to assume what might be relevant to someone's purchase and take away the consumer's voice about a genuine issue they had- which is basically what happened to youtube's dislikes :T
French should also be represented with a Canadian flag
Quebec let’s goooo
You should look over A Short Hikes reviews.
One dude has a whole paragraph why a quick popup warning about disabling the pixel filter is bad. The rest are mostly just people complaining about the game being short
I kinda think the challenge is part of the story. Climbing a mountain isn't easy, and that's literally the premise of the game and why Madeline is doing it
I totally agree with you except one really minor thing: I do not think this is just for pride. I think this is also for being scared of missing the unique and exciting experiences that you can have throughout the game. As always, great content from you here, keep it up!
the only part of the difficulty i found geniunly tilting was the hotel level because when its all abitrary timing what am i supposed to change other than wait x more second or x less seconds before starting it feels so out of your control, i have almost maxxed strawbeerry on every other level and 2/24 on that one because it tilted me so hard the first time. (i know this is probably just a me thing)
Man, on my first play through, the mechanic that I disliked the most was the Wind on the Ridge. Now, after nearly 100%-ing the game (haven’t played Farewell or Core C), the only mechanic that I have an issue with is the moving enemies (the Puffs in the Hotel and the Spikes in the Temple). I will also say, though, that the Cores moving objects are different in that it’s a simple loop, that are usually pretty slow.
2:28 He probably means a steam controller, which I can actually confirm is correct. It's brutal to not have a proper d-pad to make those quick adjustments in dashing direction. Being able to just squeeze a hand to do those dashes is really nice though
My one problem with celeste's controller situation is that it doesn't recognize direct input types, which are very common among lower income people and is what I had before one of my friends have me his old 360 controller. Other steam games like slap city recognize it so there is no real excuse after this many years of success. Also the keyboard mode isn't terrible, there are absolutely 2d platformers that feel better with it but among them it's pretty decent
You know, I actually have no idea what "direct input types" are, what does that mean? I don't think I've ever heard of that, maybe it'd be worth mentioning in a future video
@@htwo1 so there's two types of input, as far as I know: X-input, and D-input.
X-input is used solely for Xbox controllers, since every button and axis for one player "slot", I'll call it, fits on one controller alone. It also supports four controllers at a time.
D-input is more flexible and loose, you'll notice that it's different immediately once you connect a PS controller or something ,and start mashing to see the game not recognizing your button presses. It supports 8 axes, 128 buttons, haptic feedback, and... Full POV?
I'm simply trying to remember a Wikipedia page about it.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectInput
You should take a look-see, yourself.
It is hard, but that rush that you get when effortlessly beat a screen that had you rage quitting before is the reason (other than the greate story) that I love this game.
1:02 didn’t know J. k. Rowling had steam
Right?
XD Ikr
"The English language is represented by a Canadian flag, which literally makes me sick to my stomach" So now you know Portuguese people feel EVERY SINGLE TIME the Portuguese language is represented by a Brazilian flag
also when they replaced the canadian flag with the union jack but left the brazilian flag there, i’m pretty sure that was in violation of the 1386 treaty of windsor :v
Well its a canadian flag because between countrys there a slight differences between on language like how canadians say colour while others say color
@@Contreth1313 bro...
colour is a British thing, they had it first
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan yes but there are other differences that was just the first thing thay came to mind
AT 0:31 THERE WAS SEALED VESSEL THEME FROM HOLLOW KNIGHT OHHHHHHHH
This video was a rollercoaster of emotion for me, especially when you started talking about difficulty, I went from happy, to disappointed, to angry, to relieved.
Because at first you didn't mention assist mode, which a lot of people present as the perfect solution where no one can have any issues with a difficult game, but then you did, and proceeded to blame the players not using it, I was furious, and finally I was relived when you said it wasn't a perfect solution, and presented the facts that assist mode isn't a perfect thing
I'm usually someone that does quite well at video games, my boyfriend on the other hand, struggles a lot, and quite of a few of the games he played and struggled on had assist mode, like CrossCode for example.
He stopped playing basically all of them out of frustration and difficulty, and never used assist mode, because it's insulting, it's not ill-intentioned by the devs, but it's the equivalent of the doom characters being dressed as a baby on the lower difficulty.
Honestly I've lost hope to find someone who is both good at a game, yet understand that not everyone is, and the struggles that come along with it, so, good job for not simply shitting on the "game too hard" comments and actually analyzing their issues.
One thing I share is that the game design, music, and even the story allow me to get hooked on the game and be patient with the difficulty. I enjoy it and I think I'm not the only one who thinks so. I love this style.
The reason the Canadian flag is used to indicate English is for a few reasons- "Canadian English" IS a dialect of English listed on a lot of apps and devices, and as far as I understand, it just changes the spelling of a handful of words and is neither completely based on British English, OR American English. The second reason is because the developer is Canadian lol. It wouldn't make sense to advertise the English used as being British or American unless the creator could guarantee it followed all required spelling and grammatical rules of each.
Also as a side note, fun fact: Maddy Thorson (the creator of Celeste) went to the college in my home town, which I am also attending for the same program with some of the same teachers! I'm even making my own games for a small business.
Hey finally someone other then me whos saying this ive been scrolling for like 30 minutes just looking for one other person who points this out
Color is spelt colour. favour, theatre centre, cheque, and catalogue are spelt differently in canadian english also canadian french is very different from real french from what ive heard
6:25 I disagree, my issue with celeste, eventhough I loved it, is that I was never able to flow. It was about figuring out how to pass the level by trial and error rather than just becoming one with the game and its mechanics.
really well made video, good job!
I never understood why I liked celeste but just couldn't bring myself to finish it. Until the part where you talk about responsive controls vs more weighty controls. Now that I think about it. In my own game the controls are also more weighty which I got some complaints about but really liked myself. Very good insights!
Honestly yeah you make good points and I get that the game isn't for everyone but the people who don't even subject themselves to the *masterpiece* of a game that is Celeste (cough 0.2 hours) and then still leave negative reviews just... are bad
Yeah, like I said, the majority of the negative reviews are completely worthless, but there was the odd good one
Funnily enough, I didn't enjoy Super Meat Boy, yet I loved Celeste.
I used to enjoy Super Meat Boy and Super Mario. Now that I experienced Celeste I don't enjoy them much anymore.
@@FG-418 I dont think celeste even comes close to smb. Smb has tight controls while celstes controls are shit.
I also thought that it had mixed responses when I pressed Up-left or Left doing different things. This was not the case for me. I was just pressing the dash button before I actually pressed the second button.
as an individual who beat all the way up to Farewell in Celeste with keyboard, I can say I never had any problem with a miss input or direction issue :)
On my first play through, I finished the game with like more than a 1000 deaths without assist mode. But it was worth it.
I'm a casual gamer and I rarely ever play platformers and I don't really like things that are really difficult but I loved Celeste so idk what the ppl complaining about the difficulty are talking about lmao
As far as controller vs keyboard for celeste- I played through much of the game on controller, I think 40-60 hours, and then switched to keyboard because I feel like it works better for the game. Performing wavedashes and having the consistency to do golden strawberries works a lot better on a keyboard for me, as well as being able to easily have demodash buttons, hotkeys to skip cutscenes faster, and things like that. The only place I feel that it really falls short is with the golden feathers, but even then it’s not too bad.
Yo, loved hearing The Raindrop That Fell Into The Sky at the end there. Good choice.
I love how they complain about controls being bad, when you can literally just change the controls. Jesus.
Or complain about the keyboard controls, when you can plug a controller on your pc.
@@costelinha1867 The controller controls are the bad ones. Celeste dashes the wrong direction all the time and I dont want carpal tunnel from playing on a keyboard.
disliking a game due to difficulty, not enough time, ect, is all fine. 1:01 that bottom left one. holy shit that made my blood boil
A good reason why Htwo ignored it along with other reviews he calls "garbage"
I think its good that you picked up that ego thing about the assist mode at the end... because the way I remember the story of the game, that is exactly what it was about.
2:05 i dunno if this'll help anyone, but i've personally found that setting movement to the arrow keys, jump to space, grab to A and dash to S works pretty well. I can use my thumb for space, left fingers for dash and grab and then right hand for movement, and it's what I (and some friends I've recommended them to) find most comfortable
Celeste is probably one of the hardest games I have ever played. I remember finding the experience to be exhausting and extremely frustrating, and I was one of those people that was too proud to use assist mode; like I wanted to prove to myself that I was capable. However, I think the game's difficulty was actually a beautifully executed metaphor for the lore and Madeline's mental journey. Overcoming your doubts and accepting yourself including all of your flaws is one of the hardest things to do, especially when you struggle with something like mental illness like the main character did. Celeste being a harder platformer helps the player empathize with the stress that Madeline felt fighting with her mental illness. The relief that you feel at the end of the game reaching the peak of the mountain can be related to the relief that Madeline felt when she accepted "Badeline" as a part of herself. All of the technical gameplay mechanics are cleverly tied to the game's story and not many games do that.
Yes. I found it as hard as the difficult bosses in Dark Souls or Nioh. But in these games I could improve myself and get better. In Celeste it seemed to me that surviving a screen is more or less luck or random. So, in Dark Sould I had a lot of fun while Celeste felt like annoying work.
@@maltimoto To me it was the opposite, Dark Souls was very hard and Celeste or games like Hollow Knight were easy peasy. Might be the fact I've been trained on 2D platformers since I was a kid, and I don't have much experience with 3D movement
9:00 this is exactly the way i feel about hollow Knight
and before you say anything i beat the game i didn't complete it but i killed the last boss and got an ending (the hollow Knight ending)
An opinion I can respect
2:21 Why would this be any different on PC??? lol. If an input is pressed it's pressed. The issue is likely the control method being used. I played using a Switch Pro controller and noticed I died a lot to this. Switched to a PS4 controller and I magically got better at the game. Also on the topic of difficulty, of course the game is one of the harder games out there, but there's a checkpoint at ever new screen so it's not like you're losing 10 minutes of progress every time you die.
The 'aspects' of Deal Cells is a great example of an assist mode that actually feels really good and fun. It's an integraded part of the game world and enables all kinds of cool new strats.
to be fair, i play celeste on keyboard. i personally feel like it's really good on keyboard at least for me
WHAT YOU CAN MAKE THE GRAB BUTTON TOGGLE IVE BEEN BREAKING MY FINGER FOR HUNDREDS OF HOURS
I love the conclusion of the video 👍
Honestly everytime I beat a hard screen I felt accomplished for example chapter 3c screen 3 the end part got me stuck a while but after enough patience and figuring out when to jump and dash to bounce on oshiro's head I felt accomplished that I finally beat the screen and c-side
3:17 this example of colorblindness is a bit misleading. The 4 images probably show what it would look like to have a cone in the eye completly missing which is extreamly rare. 99.9% of the times colorblindness is just difficulty in telling the difference between purple/blue, red/green/brown, yellow/green. Most people don't even think they are colourblind because it is commonly thought that being colourblind means seeing orange instead of blue. Also I don't think that there are colourblind people who actually use the colourblind mode, most of the times it isn't even done properly
the colorblind guy had a point
What's the name of that sad piano tune??????
Heard it everywhere
I have been playing Celeste on KB almost forever. It's a great experience.
Mountain
I just got the game cuz it was 5 buck online saw it before heard it was hard so I stayed away just out of the blue now it was on my console so I was like “oh well here it goes” yep it’s super hard beyond frustrating at times but …..the story is beautiful Madeline is such a. Precious’s girl and I adore it to bits, I do enjoy it cuz I feel that at certain parts of the game it’s rewarding to sit back and admire the game I love it I’m not a pocel platformer person but this one is just so perfect , “to me”
Honestly with the extra context of the game sort of being about the experience of being trans the “to all those who perished on the climb” takes a really different note, ima be honest i might have cried
I had to first play it with assist mode because it was very hard. But it got me used to the controls so later I replayed it without the assist.
For me one of the biggest distinctions mad reviewers never make is difficult vs punishing. Celeste is a tough game but it's not punishing at all, and as a rougelike player trust me I understand punishment.
Even if a game is very difficult such as (personal choices) Celeste, Furi, Hollow knight, Ghostrunner, if they are not punishing then it doesn't hurt when you lose or die. As opposed to again rougelikes where every single death is extremely punishing and can physically hurt someone new to the genre.
I literally play every single pc game with keyboard so you have no idea how this fills my ego lmao
4:56
I did buy Celeste and Hollow Knight because I was searching a challenging game that would last me a lot of time without an specific genre
And I loved them both! I have gotten everything but most golden berries in Celeste (although I don’t plan on get them, I do know my limits) and also mostly everything in Hollow Knight
Just found it interesting how this person got in a similar scenario to me but taste made the outcome different
I played Hollow Knight a while ago and loved it. Now I'm playing Celeste and I'm absolutely loving it too. Two of my favorite games of all time. I think Hollow Knight has a slight edge because I love the world building, but I find more motivation to try to 100%, or at least beat every level of celeste. I kind of dropped out of Hollow Knight when I came to the Godhome and the Pantheons because I didn't really enjoy having to rebattle a bunch of bosses every time I lost to the last one. Celeste on the other hand is much nicer to grind since you just restart your current screen and can focus at one part at a time. I'm currently working on the last screen of 7C (Really have just started, and I know I'm in for a long struggle)
@@letsgetfluffy3138 nice, I also kind off dropped hollow knight but I still play it whenever I feel like so I don’t get tired
And about celeste, keep going, even if you get stuck just rest and try later (I actually rested for like a month one time and then I completed chapter 7C last screen in like just 15 tries)
If a middle schooler like me can do it on his free time so can you
Also I’m interested if you have played Cuphead (I already completed it in normal mode BTW)
@@tomas_iss7469 I've only played cuphead a bit on my brothers computer and with a friend on that shared game thing on steam, don't own it myself, but maybe one of the games I'll play when I feel done with Celeste.
@@tomas_iss7469 Also played a bit more of 7c yesterday and ended up getting to the second cloud. Not that far, but at least some progress.
@@tomas_iss7469 I did it, I fucking did it, I died three time at the last crystal and I think three times right before. I basically had all of the beginning memorized completely, at the end I had everything up until the wall bounce like 9/10 times. But for some reason my brain just decided to forget how to do the third pink cloud. After like almost 2 hours of not getting it consistently, when before that I basically never failed it, I just realised I kept doing it too early or with just enough time on the cloud so I barely got past it. So I started just taking it more chill there and beat it shortly after.
To be fair not everyone reads every single tag on a game, most people just go "oh this game i heard a lot of good stuff is on sale. huh a platformer? I like mario so i guess i could give it a shot..."
bro i love the keyboard controls lol, i feel like a controller would be way less accurate because you have to be precise with the joystick