So I looked into it when I heard about these KJV only congregations. A lot of these new translations have verses that have been omitted from the actual text and been put down in footnotes rather than included in the main body. Another big verse for them is Isaiah 7:14 and the prophecy of the virgin birth. In my NRSV it is renders virgin, as young woman. So they think it challenges the idea of the virgin birth. I personally think young women back then probably honored their virginity much more so than in today’s society so when they used the term young woman it was understood that she was a virgin. Anyway, they literally do not see these translations as valid and actually view them as heresy; so chunking one of those Bibles across the room doesn’t affect them because they think it’s of the devil.
It’s not God’s word. That is the problem. Things that are different cannot be the same. Look at the manuscript bloodline. Only the KJV 1611 is God’s word for the English speaking world. 2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
Tim Thompson Funny you mention 1611. Dr. White mentions in another video that most KJV versions today are not even 1611, they’re an 18th century revision. He also proves in this very video where the translators got something wrong in the KJV! He shows you! I have nothing against the KJV at all and it’s a beautiful translation, but it’s also not the only valid one.
When I was a new believer I was a member of a IFB, KJV only church and had witnessed stuff like this happen multiple times. I am so thankful that the Lord brought me out of that. The Lord led me to a good reformed church and I have been in that tradition ever since.
When I was first saved i was part of a reformed church. They told me I had to perseverance of the saints. Turns out, I can't stop sinning no matter what I do. So that drove me crazy. Especially when people in my church said they never intentionally sin. Man I was outta luck. But then I learned that Jesus actually paid for all my sins 100% and that I could never lose salvation because I was sealed by the Holy Ghost. So now I rest easy. Sin can't condemn me to hell no more. Sin can only destroy my flesh.
@@snackpupyeah you have no idea what you’re talking about. Why do IFB folks not understand it’s God who perseveres you and not yourself? It’s like you ignore 99.99% of scripture. Ironically you IFB KJVonlyists are highly legalistic. You literally don’t understand reformed theology. You aren’t going to heaven if you reject Jesus even after you claim to believe. Read your Bible my guy.
@@snackpup That was not an accurate description of the Reformed concept of the perseverance of the saints. The saints persevere by the same power of God which regenerated them in the first place. That is to say both are a sovereign work of God. For that reason I use the term preservation of the saints. "He who began a good work in you..."
@@mkshffr4936 if you dont have those works then you arent werent never were saved. now is that trusting in the blood of Jesus his finished work on the cross or trusting in yourself !!!
@@mkshffr4936 if you need those works to be save you need works or else you werent ever saved. is that faith in the finished work on the cross or is that faith in yourself?
I guess if he had more than an 8th grade education he would know that “being” in that context means the same as “are”??? But ignorance tends to show itself so just let them talk, lol!
It’s like the verse in Timothy that says study to show thy self approved. Study is translated something else in other translations but in my mind’s understanding, it means the exact same thing.
"In the middle of the sinners prayer" 😂 how about you show me that verse? Pray this prayer and your good. What about struggling with God? Working out your salvation with fear and trembling?
You’re right, there is no specific prayer or formula that gets you saved. Nothing someone does will merit them salvation. But, receiving this salvation from Christ is simple as believing in your heart that Jesus is who He said He is, and that His finished work alone is what saves.
Dude, I grew up watching guys do this exact thing in an IFB church. 😂 I’m thankful that God brought our family out of that. I’m also thankful for the brothers and sisters that I do have who are still influenced by some IFB legalism. Most of the people in the pews, from my experience, aren’t nearly as zealous as the characters “pastoring” IFB churches.
I'm one of those heathens that use multiple translations. The NKJV is my favorite but I also refer to others such as NASB, ESV, and KJV to name a few. Using the KJV, if you proceed to Phillipians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Why would salvation need "work(ed) out" if it is completed? This is why the minister is upset about the NIV translation. It all goes back to the "once saved always saved" doctrine. Salvation is being saved from something. If we have not entered into the end of the age, and the final judgment, then technically we are not saved yet. Even in this life, while we still live in the mortal, we are not saved but promised salvation through faith. That is why faith remains for the believer. The completeness of salvation for us individually really comes with our last breath. We have been given a deposit (the Holy Spirit) that marks us for salvation. We can call ourselves saved. But at this moment that we exist, in time, we are not saved yet. It only really happens after we leave this mortal tent. I hope my argument for the unsoundness in the NIFB minister's tantrum makes sense. Personally, I believe I am saved -- From future destruction. And the Holy Spirit teaches me how to "work out" my salvation. And He also reminds me to never throw around the Word of God.
I pastor an independent Baptist church. I preach out of the kjv. I think its a great translation. But i have dozens of translations in my library for study including my Greek and Hebrew. It amazes me how many pastores are stuck on certain beliefs that are not biblical. I am a student of Christ, always learning. The sinners pray was created by men to promote a carnel answer to a spiritual matter to please the flesh.
I have been Baptist since God saved me 67 years ago. After marrying my wife 41 years ago we started attending and IFB church for our children's sake. Come to find out, my wife had never been saved though raised in Church of Christ. My wife and both our daughters were saved as well. The pastor was a very strong Christian, pastor, and preacher. He was borderline KJV only, dispensational, and not Calvinistic. It was very good church that got destroyed by self-centered deacons. IFB churches seem to vary tremendously, as do SBC and other denominations. There being no Reformed Baptist church anywhere near me, my wife and I are members of an OPC church and confess the London Baptist confession in a WCF church where we are warmly received and welcomed. Christians need to unite around the gospel and not throw the baby out with the bath water e.g. type and form of baptism, church government and bible translations. BTW, I agree with you about the KJV, but it was written about the same time as the LBCF and the WCF and some words had more meanings then. For example: Isaiah 47:5 "I make peace and create evil". Evil back then also meant 'catastrophe'. God did NOT create evil as we think of it today. Forgive my rambling. God bless your ministry.
I find it simple minded to include all ifb, with this man here. Ill prove it to you. For example, we have never seen this done before and i attended a ifb school and church . I go to a ifb church, and not all do this… we believe God, we are saved from past sins, we are being saved while living in the flesh currently, and we will be saved from the presence of sin, with a glorified body. We believe Jesus will continue His work He started with us, unto the day of His return. Sanctification and justification upon salvation by what Jesus did, By Gods grace through our faith, not of works, being set apart in this truth( sanctified) by His Spirit currently, unto His return. We have no issues like he says… We believe we are anointed from the beginning, and this anointing will teach us all things. We believe this to be the HolySpirit that we are sealed with til the day of Redemption. What this preacher is doing does not represent the ifb i attend. We do not believe in a sinners prayer, nor do we ask for salvation. We repent and believe in Jesus to save us from our sins. Then we follow in a believers water baptism In the name of Jesus. This is what we believe. Ephesians 1:13-14 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. God can make a man stand. Only God knows the hearts, and He grants repentance, if we come into the knowledge of truth and put our trust in Jesus to save us. We do not believe in water baptism regeneration. We believe this is a testimony that we are clean, because we believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus as the gospel of Jesus that is the power of God unto our salvation. We believe the regeneration in His blood, and the renewal of our mind with His Spirit is the baptism Jesus gives with the Holy Spirit and fire. The fire comes when the purging of faith comes in trials, and we keep the joy of hope in the Lord. The Holy Spirit sheds abroad the love of God in our hearts. We believe this is a sanctification that is ongoing with the Holy Spirit; and fire ,until we come into rest. We believe to enter the kingdom of heaven you must be converted as a child, not coming seeing, but rather asking for sight. A child like faith that works through love. We believe we mature in this as our foundation. We believe you must be reborn according to the will of God to enter the kingdom of heaven, which is to receive Him and believe on His name. We believe we admit sins and are washed in His blood, and strive against sin to enter the kingdom of Heaven. We are not that anymore. Walking in the light as He is in the light, and we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus cleanses from all sin and unrighteousness. We believe He is faithful and just to do so, and the Holy Spirit convicts us to admit our sins. We believe there is a sin unto death. I believe it is false teachers and prophets that knowingly change Gods Word into a lie, and teach others. Workers of iniquity! They come as a angel of light or ministers of righteousness. One is a sensual spirit in love void of the truth, the other comes in truth void of the love of God made known in Jesus that fulfilled the law for our salvation The radicals on both extremes. We do not look for signs or wonders, nor do we put faith in the wisdom of men, but rather the power of God. We believe in Christ, is wisdom, righteousness, justification, and sanctification. We believe the knowledge of the love of Christ surpasses all understanding. We understand the mystery of iniquity, so we receive the love of the truth so that we may be saved. We do not believe Gods love negates the truth we are to come into, nor does the truth negate the love of God made known in Jesus to save us. Receiving The love of the truth and the effectual working of His power according to His Word in truth, giving us a love for the truth of God. We believe we do good works because we are saved, not to be saved. We believe all those that come to Jesus are chastened. If not you are illegitimate. He purges His floor with fire, He keeps the wheat and puts in His barn, but those that do not stay in the faith, are burned up like chaff. Being led by the Holy Spirit we have hope in the Lord during trials. Those that do not believe are currently condemned. Those that believe are not condemned. Simplicity in Christ is taught. Those that believe in Jesus must know that they have eternal life. We believe to be in Christ, we strive against sin, and set to walk in the newness of His Spirit. We know we sin in the process, but we mature in faith and our walk overcoming in the blood of Jesus. We believe to be rooted and grounded in the love of God and faith in Jesus to have a realization of His Spirit in us. We look to His return. I am not a sensationalist, because I am not God. If you state you have a gift, the truth and fruit will tell all. We believe the brethren are known for their love for one another, in accordance with Gods love. We Believe God was in Jesus reconciling the world to Himself. I personally believe when we see God, we will see Jesus. I believe God is a Spirit that resides in His only begotten Son. They are uniquely of the same Spirit. I believe all judgment and power was given to Jesus. The flesh, the blood and the Spirit testifies that Jesus was of God and who He sent to accomplish salvation. They all three agree in One that Jesus is the Son of God that came in the flesh. We believe in Heaven: The Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit are One. I believe when Jesus returned to the Father, in the day of Pentecost the Spirit was poured on the flesh, as prophesied. We believe the Word is complete and revelation is needed, not prophesy. I personally do not believe anyones credentials in schooling , replaces or enlarges what God gives us. I believe it is good to be educated to study the word, but i also believe many unschooled believers, God will use to confound the wisdom of men. Why? God is glorified, not man. So, I attend a independent fundamental baptist church and yes we prefer the Kjv as being a trusted version of the Word of God. This same version was used in the studying of scripture, lead by the Holy Spirit and given wisdom by God, when we asked and did not doubt. Any questions or rants, or biblical critique is welcomed and look to the truth of Gods Word as the final authority.
My first Bible was an old Catholic Bible with words that we did not use any more, much more difficult than the English King James . However that Bible transformed my life . Now I am using an NIV because it is easy to read, but I like to use the parallel Bible on Biblehub with it.
Probably Douay-Rheims, which slightly predates the KJV, hence the old words. Interestingly, both D-R and KJV translate that passage the same, yet it poses no problem for the Catholic.
The best part is the giant banner that says “Independent Baptist Church”, and how the camera is set up to make sure we can see it. Because there’s no way we’d know otherwise that this is an Independent Baptist Church. Lol
I have been a member of 2 independent fundamental Baptist KJVO Churches. I have to admit that I was convinced that the KJV was the only true Bible. I have come to the conclusion that the reason that a lot of these IFB preachers preach KJVO is because they want their members, and they do look at members of their churches as " Theirs", to be separated from other believers because they are afraid that they will leave and take their money with them. Also because they might get the idea that the Pastor is not supposed to be a benevolent dictator and therefore begin to question his authority over the checkbook and the church's credit cards.
My pastor lives in a modest house and drives a modest car. We are an independent baptist church and KJV but are pastor would not through any book like that. Dont judge all the same.
@@guitartrashman Please note that I said "most" not all (and by most I mean the ones I know personally of). If your pastor is a faithful steward of God's words and his church then good for you. I hope that he includes the members on decisions about the finances and you vote on the budget and are able to see for yourselves the budget and the church treasurer is someone selected from the church by the church and not appointed by the pastor or the pastor or a member of his family. I also hope that you don't find out some day that the "church" has been sold and the proceeds are in the pastors pocket. These are abuses of the job that I know of.
@@duranbailiff5337 Not all IFBs support Jack Hyles or his followers. What he committed was sin and God will deal with it. To lump a whole group into a single category is wrong. There were other IFB preachers who exposed what Hyles was doing and reported on it.
I'm not a fan of "KJV-Only" preaching, in spite of this, I rever it personally. People who engage in such arguments would argue over whether to baptize people in freshwater or saltwater.
No its really not. In Isaiah 14:12 it calls Satan "The Morning Star" in the NIV. However Jesus says he is The Morning Star in Rev 22:16. They say it makes it easier to understand but if you ask me it not only makes it more confusing but is down right blasphemous.
@@SandlapperSam Lucifer is not Satan. It is a Latin word for the planet Venus. The meaning is light bringer or " morning star". The NIV is more accurate no Latin word should be in an English translation. Showing the Catholic influence on the KJV. Also the NIV does not say Morning Star. Because that is Jesus. It says morning star, a prophecy against the king of Babylon who sought to exalt himself above the throne of God. Like the KJV only cult seek to exalt their imperfect uninspired KJV translation above the throne of God. Nobody who is honest could ever say that the NIV is saying that Jesus is Satan. But their is nothing honest about the KJV only cult.
I've been looking for a good reason to chuck an NIV during a sermon. Dr. White's response saddens me by dashing my hope that this will ever come to pass. Seriously though. Why would you ever listen to a preacher who throws a tantrum and then a Bible? I do not use the NIV, but many saints in my life have used it as their primary. Of all my studies into translations and listening to folks like Dr. White and Dr. Michael Brown I'm thoroughly convinced that there is no honest translation that will lead you into sin except the few that are intentionally bad and reserved for the cults. How childish and immature of this Pastor to demonstrate such a petty mentality. It is no wonder to me that the Church in America is in the depraved and powerless state it has come to with undisciplined men like this in the pulpit.
My first Bible was an old Catholic Bible with words that we did not use any more, much more difficult than the English King James . However that Bible transformed my life . Now I am using an NIV because it is easy to read, but I like to use the parallel Bible on Biblehub with it.
I use an NLT for everyday reading and NKJV and NASB for critical study. I'm learning Greek right now though and hope to one day use that as my primary study Bible.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. - Psa 111 Blessed is the man who fears the LORD. Psa 112 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. Pro 9 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom. Pro 15
blessed by your work and faithfulness towards the interpretation of the word of God. but anyone who can help me what bible app or software Dr White is using here?. would like to have that too for my referrence. thanks 😊
@Rodrick Evans My point is that there is no prayer that makes someone saved. I do not believe in works-based salvation. The Bible says to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved - no mention of needing to pray a prayer or offer a sacrifice or anything. Jesus is the sacrifice and his blood covers a multitude of sins.
@Rodrick Evans Jesus and scripture call us to repent and believe. Never is anyone led in a prayer in scripture, in order to be saved. While the sinner's prayer is very unbiblical, God can still strike a straight blow with a crooked stick.. So, those who believe God did really change their heart, even through an unbiblical prayer, need not worry. God is sovereign over salvation.
@Rodrick Evans Amen, when the preacher talked about the sinner's prayer I presumed he was speaking of the common "sinner's prayer" that you see a lot in fundamental Christianity.
They like to compare their preaching style to John the Baptist in order to justify why they choose to yell when they preach. Even when they’re not angry, they still feel the need to yell in every service.
What do you do when you come across a more accurate translation? YOu throw it across the room because THAT'S WHAT'CHU DO!!!! 🤣😂😛😋 Thanks for the laugh Doc.
I guess he does not understand that we are not fully redeemed as there is a future redemption...our bodies needing to be redeemed. I also used to believe the same about how words are first used but not following savishly. I would think if this is so important, someone would have produced a dictionary or concordance detailing the meaning of every time a word is defoined for the first time. No one has that I am aware of. Then I wonder what do you do with semantics domains as well as an English word having different underlying Greek or Hebrew words. Used to be IFB and KJVO but not so much to be a cage stage KJVO IFB challenging anyone at a Christian book store trying to challenge anyone considering something else than a KJV. Thank you Lord for keeping me from ever going down that road.
I think alot of confusion comes in because we are taking to different manuscripts. James white is using the eclectic or alexandrian text vs TR. But even the TR uses the word "Sozo" which is a verb and translated as "safe" 93 times in KJV, it is also translated as "made whole" but only 9 times. So there's a debate that could be had.
Why? I’m willing to bet that a Christian reading the NIV is going to have a better understanding of scripture than a Christian reading the ESV. The ESV and NASB are too literal and, as a result, frequently obscure the meaning of the text.
@@stevetucker5851 Esv isn’t that bad to understand, if your a new believer it would be best to start with esv because it goes from the Greek and it doesn’t do thought for thought like other versions, but then upgrading to maybe NASB yeah
@Based Pilled That makes it all the worse though. Because anybody can publish the KJV, that means a very corrupt company could print copies of it and sell it for a quick buck, just as a money-making scheme. This also means the text is more likely to get tampered with. All of these completely legal publications (due to being a public domain work) don't need proofreaders, so somebody could put some subtle tweak into the text that changes the meaning, publish it, and then somebody could buy it, use it as their everyday Bible without realizing it's been tampered with, and be led down the wrong path because of the tweak to the text. With the copyrighted translations, all of the publications are authorized by the publishers and are proofread for any typos.
If they hate other versions so much, why not just not use it?Why the sacrilegious treatment of Scripture and why the theatrics?KJV onlyism really is an extreme form of mental illness.
Not a kjv only guy but I do use kjv and believe it to be the best otherwise I wouldn’t use it.... however the only reason I use it is translation style. Word for word as much as possible translated and the phrases where phrases must be used and they use italicization of the text to show hey this is a phrase. Just honest translation. Also, I am a fan of the received text due to it being the majority of all the manuscripts that we have. And the vast amount of time they cover and are still in agreement with what they said 1500 years ago. So in my conclusion I use KJV even tho I was saved reading a NIV but do not like it now but the csb and esv ain’t to bad
And weather you like it or not a lot of the kjv only people are your brothers in Christ as well it would do you well to exhort them rather call them mentally ill even if they act that way some times 🤷♂️
I’m a independent fundamental Baptist! As for my church and other church I been too always used Roman’s road! There’s only one way that is through the blood of Jesus! One verse I used when showing how to be saved is Romans 9:10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. God knows who’s going accept him and he know he won’t! I support any church who preach the gospel!
Says the KJV mistranslates 1 Corinthians 1:18 (4:00) then says the only way to translate it differently than modern versions without mistranslating it would be to use a translation that the KJV uses (7:40) .... Top-shelf.
Paul is talking about multitudes being saved over time like the sand in the hourglass trickles down. The damned also are perishing spiritually and physically each hour. Two things are always occurring simultaneously. The Saved are being saved and the damned are being damned.
Well, just listened to an old Keith Green talk and he was railing about "the sinners prayer" and "excepting Jesus as our personal savior" is no where in the Bible. Are these people just looking for attention?
Having once belonged to IFB churches. Not all see it this guy’s way and would find an antic like this abominable. It’s true they have little logic to their theological process because any chap who sees himself as called can get up, read three verses and fire away with little or no real theological training and get ordained. I credit them for being Bible believers - but it’s sad that still some have not taken the time that they should as ministers to learn and conduct proper Bible interpretation that would benefit themselves and their congregations.
In the IFB culture any scholarship and intellectualism in the study of scripture is considered evil. This is how IFB pastors keep control over their congregations. When people in IFB churches do any deep, intellectual study of scripture they tend to leave those churches.
I don't understand why Calvinists argue against anything anyone does. If humans don't have free will, it wasn't his choice to throw the Bible, God ordained it.
@@acolytes777 It's not a straw man. I have indeed argued with Calvinists who say that every single thing a person does is ordained by God, including sin, and that nothing happens outside the will of God. I asked them how can this be, since the Bible says God hates sin. They answered "god's ways are not our ways".
@@michaelbain399 "you meant evil against me, God MEANT it for good" gen 50:20 Just because God intended it doesn't absolve the evil doers and their evil intentions Neither were those who crucified Christ absolved despite doing what "God's hand and plan had predestined to take place" Acts 4:28 So it can be his choice and yet God ordained...
@@michaelbain399yeah it is. It’s a massive straw man. Reformed theologians are talking about Soteriology. Not God controlling you as a puppet. The Bible shows the total complete sovereignty of God, and the responsibility of Man.
My issue is in labeling all Independent Fundamental Baptists with the same broad brush of wacko, ignorant theology. There is a very broad spectrum of those who identify as Independent Fundamental Baptists. Pastor Rager appears to fit into the far right 1611 KJV is the very inspired Word of God camp. I am also a Fundamental Baptist, and I would never attend this church. My background is that of the Baptist Bible Fellowship. We are quite aware that the KJV is a translation and the originals were in Greek and Hebrew. When I was in college the head of theology at BBC and pastor of Cherry Street Baptist Church, did his personal Bible study in the original languages. We used the KJV, we didn't worship it.
For the words of a modern translation are foolishness to the IFB pastor, but to those who know Greek, it is the Word of God faithfully translated into English.
Uh buddy, you don't have any one of the 66 original manuscripts. Your friends over there with their faith in the kjv are more honest than you. Your religion is based on no originals. No originals means bullshit. At least they believe their book. You don't even believe your book 😅😅😅 and you think your devil hasn't gotten you😂😂😂😂😂
The way Dr White speaks it sounds as if one who asked the Lord to forgive them of their sins and asked Him to save them may still go to hell. I will never understand Calvinist theology.
Well you can understand it, if you put the effort into it. First of all if you're one asking God to forgive you of your sins and to save you from hell, he definitely will. Soley because Jesus promised he who comes to him, he will never cast out. And if you are seeking him, it is because he sought you first and is drawing you to himself. The unregenerate (the natural man) would never ask that sort of thing because they don't care of the state of their souls neither does it concern them. The book of John makes that abundantly clear.
White is reading the text which states that the word of the cross (the Gospel) is foolishness to those who are perishing (lost;” it’s been said already that the natural man doesn’t care about the condition he’s in. Think about the atheist who spews blasphemies at Christians or the “good” man who trusts in his own perceived goodness.
So what condition would the Church be in today if the only Bible we ever had was the King James? I think all this scholarly work has done nothing but cause doubt and confusion.
@@user-sl5rk4dm8y That's not an answer to the question. You said "If you don't use a KJV then you have no Bible". Show me where the KJV says if I don't use the KJV then I don't have a real Bible.
You compare Scripture with Scripture ! Not other sources, that is complete ignorance. Make every man a liar and my WORD the truth. The KJV BIBLE IS THE WORD!
“Straight outta hell” *YEET* 😂😂😂 I can’t 😭
lol!!!!
Ignorance gone to seed..as my grandma used to say.
My pastor said once..
We were saved,
We are being saved,
We will be saved
(If you're born again)
makes perfect sense
Yes. Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification.
I don’t understand how people who confess to be Christian can have such a disrespect for God’s word.
So I looked into it when I heard about these KJV only congregations. A lot of these new translations have verses that have been omitted from the actual text and been put down in footnotes rather than included in the main body. Another big verse for them is Isaiah 7:14 and the prophecy of the virgin birth. In my NRSV it is renders virgin, as young woman. So they think it challenges the idea of the virgin birth. I personally think young women back then probably honored their virginity much more so than in today’s society so when they used the term young woman it was understood that she was a virgin. Anyway, they literally do not see these translations as valid and actually view them as heresy; so chunking one of those Bibles across the room doesn’t affect them because they think it’s of the devil.
Brad it is really upsetting though. It is still God’s word
Shnobo I do agree with you 100%. I couldn’t believe it when I saw it.
It’s not God’s word. That is the problem. Things that are different cannot be the same. Look at the manuscript bloodline. Only the KJV 1611 is God’s word for the English speaking world. 2 Corinthians 2:17
For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
Tim Thompson Funny you mention 1611. Dr. White mentions in another video that most KJV versions today are not even 1611, they’re an 18th century revision. He also proves in this very video where the translators got something wrong in the KJV! He shows you! I have nothing against the KJV at all and it’s a beautiful translation, but it’s also not the only valid one.
When I was a new believer I was a member of a IFB, KJV only church and had witnessed stuff like this happen multiple times. I am so thankful that the Lord brought me out of that. The Lord led me to a good reformed church and I have been in that tradition ever since.
When I was first saved i was part of a reformed church. They told me I had to perseverance of the saints. Turns out, I can't stop sinning no matter what I do. So that drove me crazy. Especially when people in my church said they never intentionally sin.
Man I was outta luck.
But then I learned that Jesus actually paid for all my sins 100% and that I could never lose salvation because I was sealed by the Holy Ghost.
So now I rest easy.
Sin can't condemn me to hell no more. Sin can only destroy my flesh.
@@snackpupyeah you have no idea what you’re talking about. Why do IFB folks not understand it’s God who perseveres you and not yourself? It’s like you ignore 99.99% of scripture. Ironically you IFB KJVonlyists are highly legalistic. You literally don’t understand reformed theology. You aren’t going to heaven if you reject Jesus even after you claim to believe. Read your Bible my guy.
@@snackpup That was not an accurate description of the Reformed concept of the perseverance of the saints. The saints persevere by the same power of God which regenerated them in the first place. That is to say both are a sovereign work of God. For that reason I use the term preservation of the saints.
"He who began a good work in you..."
@@mkshffr4936 if you dont have those works then you arent werent never were saved. now is that trusting in the blood of Jesus his finished work on the cross or trusting in yourself !!!
@@mkshffr4936 if you need those works to be save you need works or else you werent ever saved. is that faith in the finished work on the cross or is that faith in yourself?
Ironically, he just got arrested in Florida for domestic abuse.
ahahha
Source?
@@alexf.3699 look it up; but you won't..
A argument not domestic abuse. Your a imbecile!
@@chriscravens8318share the source, but you can't.
“He would probably throw the Greek across the room too” hahahaha! I lost it! Man, it would be even funnier if it wasn’t so sad and true
He’d throw the Hebrew bible across the room too, the IFB is a sad movement
They idolize a English translation of the Bible
I guess if he had more than an 8th grade education he would know that “being” in that context means the same as “are”??? But ignorance tends to show itself so just let them talk, lol!
It’s like the verse in Timothy that says study to show thy self approved. Study is translated something else in other translations but in my mind’s understanding, it means the exact same thing.
"In the middle of the sinners prayer" 😂 how about you show me that verse? Pray this prayer and your good. What about struggling with God? Working out your salvation with fear and trembling?
Bahahaha glad that quote was less than a minute in.
Yes let’s sit down with this dude and find “sinners prayer” in the KJV
You’re right, there is no specific prayer or formula that gets you saved. Nothing someone does will merit them salvation. But, receiving this salvation from Christ is simple as believing in your heart that Jesus is who He said He is, and that His finished work alone is what saves.
Don't disparage the IFB magic spell!
@@SavannahSedaiLuke 18:13. God be merciful to me a sinner. There it is.
Dude, I grew up watching guys do this exact thing in an IFB church. 😂 I’m thankful that God brought our family out of that. I’m also thankful for the brothers and sisters that I do have who are still influenced by some IFB legalism. Most of the people in the pews, from my experience, aren’t nearly as zealous as the characters “pastoring” IFB churches.
“Characters”. Lol! Good one.
I'm one of those heathens that use multiple translations. The NKJV is my favorite but I also refer to others such as NASB, ESV, and KJV to name a few. Using the KJV, if you proceed to Phillipians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Why would salvation need "work(ed) out" if it is completed? This is why the minister is upset about the NIV translation. It all goes back to the "once saved always saved" doctrine. Salvation is being saved from something. If we have not entered into the end of the age, and the final judgment, then technically we are not saved yet. Even in this life, while we still live in the mortal, we are not saved but promised salvation through faith. That is why faith remains for the believer. The completeness of salvation for us individually really comes with our last breath. We have been given a deposit (the Holy Spirit) that marks us for salvation. We can call ourselves saved. But at this moment that we exist, in time, we are not saved yet. It only really happens after we leave this mortal tent. I hope my argument for the unsoundness in the NIFB minister's tantrum makes sense. Personally, I believe I am saved -- From future destruction. And the Holy Spirit teaches me how to "work out" my salvation. And He also reminds me to never throw around the Word of God.
Work out your salvation is to examine that you are in the faith in a ongoing manner. Keep the faith.
What about a version like message or tpt. Is that still the work of God?
I pastor an independent Baptist church. I preach out of the kjv. I think its a great translation. But i have dozens of translations in my library for study including my Greek and Hebrew. It amazes me how many pastores are stuck on certain beliefs that are not biblical. I am a student of Christ, always learning. The sinners pray was created by men to promote a carnel answer to a spiritual matter to please the flesh.
I have been Baptist since God saved me 67 years ago. After marrying my wife 41 years ago we started attending and IFB church for our children's sake. Come to find out, my wife had never been saved though raised in Church of Christ. My wife and both our daughters were saved as well.
The pastor was a very strong Christian, pastor, and preacher. He was borderline KJV only, dispensational, and not Calvinistic. It was very good church that got destroyed by self-centered deacons. IFB churches seem to vary tremendously, as do SBC and other denominations.
There being no Reformed Baptist church anywhere near me, my wife and I are members of an OPC church and confess the London Baptist confession in a WCF church where we are warmly received and welcomed.
Christians need to unite around the gospel and not throw the baby out with the bath water e.g. type and form of baptism, church government and bible translations.
BTW, I agree with you about the KJV, but it was written about the same time as the LBCF and the WCF and some words had more meanings then. For example: Isaiah 47:5 "I make peace and create evil". Evil back then also meant 'catastrophe'. God did NOT create evil as we think of it today.
Forgive my rambling. God bless your ministry.
The sinners prayer is in Luke 18:23. Lord be merciful to me a sinner.
@@ruckanitepreacher5618I don't think that means what you think it means.
I find it simple minded to include all ifb, with this man here.
Ill prove it to you.
For example, we have never seen this done before and i attended a ifb school and church .
I go to a ifb church, and not all do this… we believe God, we are saved from past sins, we are being saved while living in the flesh currently, and we will be saved from the presence of sin, with a glorified body.
We believe Jesus will continue His work He started with us, unto the day of His return.
Sanctification and justification upon salvation by what Jesus did, By Gods grace through our faith, not of works, being set apart in this truth( sanctified) by His Spirit currently, unto His return.
We have no issues like he says…
We believe we are anointed from the beginning, and this anointing will teach us all things. We believe this to be the HolySpirit that we are sealed with til the day of Redemption.
What this preacher is doing does not represent the ifb i attend.
We do not believe in a sinners prayer, nor do we ask for salvation.
We repent and believe in Jesus to save us from our sins.
Then we follow in a believers water baptism In the name of Jesus.
This is what we believe.
Ephesians 1:13-14
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
God can make a man stand. Only God knows the hearts, and He grants repentance, if we come into the knowledge of truth and put our trust in Jesus to save us.
We do not believe in water baptism regeneration. We believe this is a testimony that we are clean, because we believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus as the gospel of Jesus that is the power of God unto our salvation.
We believe the regeneration in His blood, and the renewal of our mind with His Spirit is the baptism Jesus gives with the Holy Spirit and fire.
The fire comes when the purging of faith comes in trials, and we keep the joy of hope in the Lord.
The Holy Spirit sheds abroad the love of God in our hearts.
We believe this is a sanctification that is ongoing with the Holy Spirit; and fire ,until we come into rest.
We believe to enter the kingdom of heaven you must be converted as a child, not coming seeing, but rather asking for sight. A child like faith that works through love.
We believe we mature in this as our foundation.
We believe you must be reborn according to the will of God to enter the kingdom of heaven, which is to receive Him and believe on His name.
We believe we admit sins and are washed in His blood, and strive against sin to enter the kingdom of Heaven. We are not that anymore.
Walking in the light as He is in the light, and we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus cleanses from all sin and unrighteousness. We believe He is faithful and just to do so, and the Holy Spirit convicts us to admit our sins.
We believe there is a sin unto death. I believe it is false teachers and prophets that knowingly change Gods Word into a lie, and teach others. Workers of iniquity!
They come as a angel of light or ministers of righteousness.
One is a sensual spirit in love void of the truth, the other comes in truth void of the love of God made known in Jesus that fulfilled the law for our salvation
The radicals on both extremes.
We do not look for signs or wonders, nor do we put faith in the wisdom of men, but rather the power of God.
We believe in Christ, is wisdom, righteousness, justification, and sanctification.
We believe the knowledge of the love of Christ surpasses all understanding.
We understand the mystery of iniquity, so we receive the love of the truth so that we may be saved.
We do not believe Gods love negates the truth we are to come into, nor does the truth negate the love of God made known in Jesus to save us.
Receiving The love of the truth and the effectual working of His power according to His Word in truth, giving us a love for the truth of God.
We believe we do good works because we are saved, not to be saved.
We believe all those that come to Jesus are chastened. If not you are illegitimate.
He purges His floor with fire, He keeps the wheat and puts in His barn, but those that do not stay in the faith, are burned up like chaff.
Being led by the Holy Spirit we have hope in the Lord during trials.
Those that do not believe are currently condemned. Those that believe are not condemned.
Simplicity in Christ is taught.
Those that believe in Jesus must know that they have eternal life.
We believe to be in Christ, we strive against sin, and set to walk in the newness of His Spirit.
We know we sin in the process, but we mature in faith and our walk overcoming in the blood of Jesus.
We believe to be rooted and grounded in the love of God and faith in Jesus to have a realization of His Spirit in us. We look to His return. I am not a sensationalist, because I am not God.
If you state you have a gift, the truth and fruit will tell all.
We believe the brethren are known for their love for one another, in accordance with Gods love.
We Believe God was in Jesus reconciling the world to Himself.
I personally believe when we see God, we will see Jesus.
I believe God is a Spirit that resides in His only begotten Son. They are uniquely of the same Spirit.
I believe all judgment and power was given to Jesus.
The flesh, the blood and the Spirit testifies that Jesus was of God and who He sent to accomplish salvation. They all three agree in One that Jesus is the Son of God that came in the flesh.
We believe in Heaven: The Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit are One.
I believe when Jesus returned to the Father, in the day of Pentecost the Spirit was poured on the flesh, as prophesied.
We believe the Word is complete and revelation is needed, not prophesy.
I personally do not believe anyones credentials in schooling , replaces or enlarges what God gives us.
I believe it is good to be educated to study the word, but i also believe many unschooled believers, God will use to confound the wisdom of men.
Why? God is glorified, not man.
So, I attend a independent fundamental baptist church and yes we prefer the Kjv as being a trusted version of the Word of God.
This same version was used in the studying of scripture, lead by the Holy Spirit and given wisdom by God, when we asked and did not doubt.
Any questions or rants, or biblical critique is welcomed and look to the truth of Gods Word as the final authority.
KJV Bible is the best Version of God's teachings for the 21st Century..... that we're living in now.
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When I was in an IFB church the Pastor threw his NIV across the stage. 😂 Perhaps he should not have bought a copy in the first place.
he buy it simply because he want to use this to dishonor it lmao
All for the show
Love my brilliant NIV. I praise God I was never burdened with the millstone of KJV onlyism
So incredibly thankful I was delivered by God from kjvoifb false teachings! Sola Deo Gloria!
My first Bible was an old Catholic Bible with words that we did not use any more, much more difficult than the English King James . However that Bible transformed my life . Now I am using an NIV because it is easy to read, but I like to use the parallel Bible on Biblehub with it.
Probably Douay-Rheims, which slightly predates the KJV, hence the old words. Interestingly, both D-R and KJV translate that passage the same, yet it poses no problem for the Catholic.
As John MacArthur says, “unqualified”
Be careful, the pastor may run with it and pridefully write a book using the term.
Better unqualified than unsaved.
@@baptisttampabay unfortunately it seems to be both in this case.
@@solideogloria1644 the fact that he did 😭😭
Noone more unqualified than John
The best part is the giant banner that says “Independent Baptist Church”, and how the camera is set up to make sure we can see it. Because there’s no way we’d know otherwise that this is an Independent Baptist Church. Lol
I have been a member of 2 independent fundamental Baptist KJVO Churches. I have to admit that I was convinced that the KJV was the only true Bible. I have come to the conclusion that the reason that a lot of these IFB preachers preach KJVO is because they want their members, and they do look at members of their churches as " Theirs", to be separated from other believers because they are afraid that they will leave and take their money with them. Also because they might get the idea that the Pastor is not supposed to be a benevolent dictator and therefore begin to question his authority over the checkbook and the church's credit cards.
Kevin Young That is absolutely ridiculous reasoning on your part. Not sure how you ever reached that conclusion.
My pastor lives in a modest house and drives a modest car. We are an independent baptist church and KJV but are pastor would not through any book like that. Dont judge all the same.
@@guitartrashman Please note that I said "most" not all (and by most I mean the ones I know personally of). If your pastor is a faithful steward of God's words and his church then good for you. I hope that he includes the members on decisions about the finances and you vote on the budget and are able to see for yourselves the budget and the church treasurer is someone selected from the church by the church and not appointed by the pastor or the pastor or a member of his family. I also hope that you don't find out some day that the "church" has been sold and the proceeds are in the pastors pocket. These are abuses of the job that I know of.
@@duranbailiff5337 Not all IFBs support Jack Hyles or his followers. What he committed was sin and God will deal with it. To lump a whole group into a single category is wrong. There were other IFB preachers who exposed what Hyles was doing and reported on it.
There really is something charming about the IFB.
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I am sorry I cannot get past the red suspenders LOL🤣😅😂
I'm not a fan of "KJV-Only" preaching, in spite of this, I rever it personally. People who engage in such arguments would argue over whether to baptize people in freshwater or saltwater.
No its really not. In Isaiah 14:12 it calls Satan "The Morning Star" in the NIV. However Jesus says he is The Morning Star in Rev 22:16. They say it makes it easier to understand but if you ask me it not only makes it more confusing but is down right blasphemous.
@@SandlapperSam Lucifer does not come from the original text
@@SandlapperSam Lucifer is not Satan. It is a Latin word for the planet Venus. The meaning is light bringer or " morning star". The NIV is more accurate no Latin word should be in an English translation. Showing the Catholic influence on the KJV. Also the NIV does not say Morning Star. Because that is Jesus. It says morning star, a prophecy against the king of Babylon who sought to exalt himself above the throne of God. Like the KJV only cult seek to exalt their imperfect uninspired KJV translation above the throne of God. Nobody who is honest could ever say that the NIV is saying that Jesus is Satan. But their is nothing honest about the KJV only cult.
I've been looking for a good reason to chuck an NIV during a sermon. Dr. White's response saddens me by dashing my hope that this will ever come to pass.
Seriously though. Why would you ever listen to a preacher who throws a tantrum and then a Bible? I do not use the NIV, but many saints in my life have used it as their primary. Of all my studies into translations and listening to folks like Dr. White and Dr. Michael Brown I'm thoroughly convinced that there is no honest translation that will lead you into sin except the few that are intentionally bad and reserved for the cults. How childish and immature of this Pastor to demonstrate such a petty mentality. It is no wonder to me that the Church in America is in the depraved and powerless state it has come to with undisciplined men like this in the pulpit.
My first Bible was an old Catholic Bible with words that we did not use any more, much more difficult than the English King James . However that Bible transformed my life . Now I am using an NIV because it is easy to read, but I like to use the parallel Bible on Biblehub with it.
I use an NLT for everyday reading and NKJV and NASB for critical study. I'm learning Greek right now though and hope to one day use that as my primary study Bible.
Why do modern churches wear shorts and t shirts to church?
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. - Psa 111
Blessed is the man who fears the LORD. Psa 112
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. Pro 9
The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom. Pro 15
blessed by your work and faithfulness towards the interpretation of the word of God. but anyone who can help me what bible app or software Dr White is using here?. would like to have that too for my referrence. thanks 😊
I believe it is blue letter bible
As a pastor once said, "immature"
The sinners prayer in and of itself is not biblical.
Yep it’s a tradition of men
@Rodrick Evans My point is that there is no prayer that makes someone saved. I do not believe in works-based salvation. The Bible says to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved - no mention of needing to pray a prayer or offer a sacrifice or anything. Jesus is the sacrifice and his blood covers a multitude of sins.
@Rodrick Evans Jesus and scripture call us to repent and believe. Never is anyone led in a prayer in scripture, in order to be saved. While the sinner's prayer is very unbiblical, God can still strike a straight blow with a crooked stick.. So, those who believe God did really change their heart, even through an unbiblical prayer, need not worry. God is sovereign over salvation.
@Rodrick Evans Amen, when the preacher talked about the sinner's prayer I presumed he was speaking of the common "sinner's prayer" that you see a lot in fundamental Christianity.
"Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner."
Hmm I don't see anything wrong with that...do you?
This is a hugely important issue. Especially to young people.
Christianity is in safe hands for the 21st century and beyond.
Your Bible is corrupt from the beginning if you truly love God you will except Islam into your heart
their stupidity never ends
IFB Pastor: "Was this thing written by someone in the process of saying the sinner's prayer?"
Me: BRUH DO WHUT? 🤣🤣
IFB box of frogs ….nutters!
Why are IFB pastors so angry?
They like to compare their preaching style to John the Baptist in order to justify why they choose to yell when they preach. Even when they’re not angry, they still feel the need to yell in every service.
Their followers are just as mean angry bullies!
What software is Dr. White using?
Accordance Bible software.
surprised he is allowed to wear such bright colored suspenders
Dr. White, what logo is on your shirt?
I think it's the logo for North-West University. www.nwu.ac.za/
What is the program that ur reading the Greek on?
Accordance! It is pricey but I can assure you it is worth while.
What do you do when you come across a more accurate translation? YOu throw it across the room because THAT'S WHAT'CHU DO!!!! 🤣😂😛😋 Thanks for the laugh Doc.
I guess he does not understand that we are not fully redeemed as there is a future redemption...our bodies needing to be redeemed. I also used to believe the same about how words are first used but not following savishly. I would think if this is so important, someone would have produced a dictionary or concordance detailing the meaning of every time a word is defoined for the first time. No one has that I am aware of. Then I wonder what do you do with semantics domains as well as an English word having different underlying Greek or Hebrew words. Used to be IFB and KJVO but not so much to be a cage stage KJVO IFB challenging anyone at a Christian book store trying to challenge anyone considering something else than a KJV. Thank you Lord for keeping me from ever going down that road.
I think alot of confusion comes in because we are taking to different manuscripts. James white is using the eclectic or alexandrian text vs TR. But even the TR uses the word "Sozo" which is a verb and translated as "safe" 93 times in KJV, it is also translated as "made whole" but only 9 times. So there's a debate that could be had.
I believe Jim Jones also threw The Bible...
I would hate to see when he reads about gluttony.
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What about Calvary Independent Baptists? Are they NKJ only as well?
Are these highlights a new thing with Dr. White channel?
These are awesome
This channel is not official
He was theatrical but at same time NIV is not a great bible.
Why? I’m willing to bet that a Christian reading the NIV is going to have a better understanding of scripture than a Christian reading the ESV. The ESV and NASB are too literal and, as a result, frequently obscure the meaning of the text.
@@stevetucker5851 Esv isn’t that bad to understand, if your a new believer it would be best to start with esv because it goes from the Greek and it doesn’t do thought for thought like other versions, but then upgrading to maybe NASB yeah
@@stevetucker5851 I think it just depends on how they can use big words I guess.
@Based Pilled and the same publishers print the KJV your point is?
@Based Pilled That makes it all the worse though. Because anybody can publish the KJV, that means a very corrupt company could print copies of it and sell it for a quick buck, just as a money-making scheme. This also means the text is more likely to get tampered with. All of these completely legal publications (due to being a public domain work) don't need proofreaders, so somebody could put some subtle tweak into the text that changes the meaning, publish it, and then somebody could buy it, use it as their everyday Bible without realizing it's been tampered with, and be led down the wrong path because of the tweak to the text. With the copyrighted translations, all of the publications are authorized by the publishers and are proofread for any typos.
While I was in Bible college I witnessed another student drop kick the NIV across the room.
WOW! How disrespectful and disturbing!
If they hate other versions so much, why not just not use it?Why the sacrilegious treatment of Scripture and why the theatrics?KJV onlyism really is an extreme form of mental illness.
KJV Onlyists are like Mormons- in that they HATE any logic that shows they are wrong.
Not a kjv only guy but I do use kjv and believe it to be the best otherwise I wouldn’t use it.... however the only reason I use it is translation style. Word for word as much as possible translated and the phrases where phrases must be used and they use italicization of the text to show hey this is a phrase. Just honest translation. Also, I am a fan of the received text due to it being the majority of all the manuscripts that we have. And the vast amount of time they cover and are still in agreement with what they said 1500 years ago. So in my conclusion I use KJV even tho I was saved reading a NIV but do not like it now but the csb and esv ain’t to bad
And weather you like it or not a lot of the kjv only people are your brothers in Christ as well it would do you well to exhort them rather call them mentally ill even if they act that way some times 🤷♂️
Doctrine is what you believe...... not what Bible translation you use.....
Not picking up what your putting down brother
What software is he using???
Did you find out yet? I like, when the ENGLISH is highlighted, it follows on the RIGHT side in the Greek!
My word of the day, "discombobulated". Thanks Dr. Job well done.
I’ve seen a lot of these IFB videos. Have to wonder, is there a weight requirement to be an IFB pastor? Haven’t seen a single one with a healthy BFI.
Good stuff
I’m a independent fundamental Baptist! As for my church and other church I been too always used Roman’s road! There’s only one way that is through the blood of Jesus! One verse I used when showing how to be saved is Romans 9:10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. God knows who’s going accept him and he know he won’t! I support any church who preach the gospel!
Funny, you don't sound angry.... Are you sure you're independent fundamental Baptist? 😂 Lol
@@taylor3101 yes I’m sure
Says the KJV mistranslates 1 Corinthians 1:18 (4:00) then says the only way to translate it differently than modern versions without mistranslating it would be to use a translation that the KJV uses (7:40) .... Top-shelf.
I think that’s why they are mean bullies, they saved and don’t care!
What software is that? I am always switching between browser windows but something like this would be perfect for me.
Accordance I think
More of these vids Dr. White.😊
Not a fan of the Living Bible or the NIV. Still wouldn't throw a copy whether at home or especially at a pulpit!
Which Greek Manuscripts were used? Alexandrian?? Is this passage different in the Antiochan Manuscripts??
This verse is the same in both
Yeah this is a translational not a textual issue...
Paul is talking about multitudes being saved over time like the sand in the hourglass trickles down. The damned also are perishing spiritually and physically each hour. Two things are always occurring simultaneously. The Saved are being saved and the damned are being damned.
IFB's are nothing if not insane and hilarious, and overall a good source of entertainment.
How do I get saved and go to heaven?
Here you go m.ruclips.net/video/2pcChH15ZF0/видео.html
Jesus saves ruclips.net/video/EDOeS0fNIJc/видео.html
Well, just listened to an old Keith Green talk and he was railing about "the sinners prayer" and "excepting Jesus as our personal savior" is no where in the Bible.
Are these people just looking for attention?
Is it me or do many of those guys look like they need anger management? A passionate heart is a great thing, but there’s a fine line.
Having once belonged to IFB churches. Not all see it this guy’s way and would find an antic like this abominable. It’s true they have little logic to their theological process because any chap who sees himself as called can get up, read three verses and fire away with little or no real theological training and get ordained. I credit them for being Bible believers - but it’s sad that still some have not taken the time that they should as ministers to learn and conduct proper Bible interpretation that would benefit themselves and their congregations.
In the IFB culture any scholarship and intellectualism in the study of scripture is considered evil. This is how IFB pastors keep control over their congregations. When people in IFB churches do any deep, intellectual study of scripture they tend to leave those churches.
What program is that? I want to see those original manuscripts
Unbelievable!
Non Elect are you Calvinist?
straight outta hell! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wow is that Robert Breaker 😳?
Rager being wrong does not mean that the Calvanistic misinterpretation of the passage is correct. There is another way to understand this passage.
I don't understand why Calvinists argue against anything anyone does. If humans don't have free will, it wasn't his choice to throw the Bible, God ordained it.
Thank you for the strawman
@@acolytes777 It's not a straw man. I have indeed argued with Calvinists who say that every single thing a person does is ordained by God, including sin, and that nothing happens outside the will of God. I asked them how can this be, since the Bible says God hates sin. They answered "god's ways are not our ways".
@@michaelbain399 "you meant evil against me, God MEANT it for good" gen 50:20
Just because God intended it doesn't absolve the evil doers and their evil intentions
Neither were those who crucified Christ absolved despite doing what "God's hand and plan had predestined to take place" Acts 4:28
So it can be his choice and yet God ordained...
You came here just to say that didn't you.
@@michaelbain399yeah it is. It’s a massive straw man. Reformed theologians are talking about Soteriology. Not God controlling you as a puppet. The Bible shows the total complete sovereignty of God, and the responsibility of Man.
Yep NASB says something. No Greek grammar background.
My issue is in labeling all Independent Fundamental Baptists with the same broad brush of wacko, ignorant theology. There is a very broad spectrum of those who identify as Independent Fundamental Baptists. Pastor Rager appears to fit into the far right 1611 KJV is the very inspired Word of God camp. I am also a Fundamental Baptist, and I would never attend this church. My background is that of the Baptist Bible Fellowship. We are quite aware that the KJV is a translation and the originals were in Greek and Hebrew. When I was in college the head of theology at BBC and pastor of Cherry Street Baptist Church, did his personal Bible study in the original languages. We used the KJV, we didn't worship it.
Thank you James White for pointing out to us that the NIV actually got something right pertaining to God's teachings.
Rager is a good preacher
Seriously? He beat up his wife!
Holy Spirit is the key
More examples of the willful and deliberate ignorance of King James Onlyism.
BTW I want your mini Enterprise-D Warp Core you have on your shelf.
I dont think he will let you have it . I believe he powers the AC in his office during our hot arizona summers 😓 🌵
@@BillWalkerWarren aww bummer! Makes sense. 😭😉
Actually he powers the warp core by peddling his bike, and the warp core distributes that power to the entire building.
Brother Rager!
Is Rager still in jail for hitting his wife?
He didn't hit his wife that's a lie from hell.
They was arguing period
@@user-sl5rk4dm8y LOL, wrong. Now she's his ex-wife.
@@rockycomet4587 He still didn't hit her, they was arguing.
The minister is funny. Comedy entertainment in church.
I follow that guy on TikTok I thought it was a bit!
For the words of a modern translation are foolishness to the IFB pastor, but to those who know Greek, it is the Word of God faithfully translated into English.
Uh buddy, you don't have any one of the 66 original manuscripts. Your friends over there with their faith in the kjv are more honest than you. Your religion is based on no originals. No originals means bullshit. At least they believe their book. You don't even believe your book 😅😅😅 and you think your devil hasn't gotten you😂😂😂😂😂
NIV is the "swiss cheese bible."
The way Dr White speaks it sounds as if one who asked the Lord to forgive them of their sins and asked Him to save them may still go to hell. I will never understand Calvinist theology.
Well you can understand it, if you put the effort into it. First of all if you're one asking God to forgive you of your sins and to save you from hell, he definitely will. Soley because Jesus promised he who comes to him, he will never cast out. And if you are seeking him, it is because he sought you first and is drawing you to himself. The unregenerate (the natural man) would never ask that sort of thing because they don't care of the state of their souls neither does it concern them. The book of John makes that abundantly clear.
Maybe "saved by grace" can add his opinion. I tried to tag him but I'm sure he will see this thread.
White is reading the text which states that the word of the cross (the Gospel) is foolishness to those who are perishing (lost;” it’s been said already that the natural man doesn’t care about the condition he’s in. Think about the atheist who spews blasphemies at Christians or the “good” man who trusts in his own perceived goodness.
Expect this doesn’t jive with Mr. Whites theology...
It doesn't jive with the Bible
Which Greek are you using?
I bet you won't answer.
Checkmate.
The verse is the exact same in the textus receptus
Gotcha! So is it in Greek? 😊
Script by the 3 Stooges...!
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This pastor should learn how to read the bible.
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Idiocy.
I burn new bible's while I preach out of the KJV.
Preaching from the word of God, while burning the antichrist per-versions? Good for you, as it should be!👍
Box of frogs!
Lol
So what condition would the Church be in today if the only Bible we ever had was the King James? I think all this scholarly work has done nothing but cause doubt and confusion.
Lol that's awesome I'd have thrown it in the trash personally but whatever
🤣🤣 some one needs to go in a diet!!
If you don't use a KJV then you have no Bible.
TRUTH!👍👍
Which verse in the KJV did you learn that from?
@@firstnamelastname2552 It's Authority is from Genesis to Revelation. Go read it all if you really want to read.
@@user-sl5rk4dm8y That's not an answer to the question. You said "If you don't use a KJV then you have no Bible". Show me where the KJV says if I don't use the KJV then I don't have a real Bible.
@@firstnamelastname2552 Your question is answered and it's your lukewarm ideology that may resist the answer, but it has been answered. Now go read
You compare Scripture with Scripture ! Not other sources, that is complete ignorance.
Make every man a liar and my WORD the truth. The KJV BIBLE IS THE WORD!
Sure is, Amen 🙏
It is a translation of the Word of God.
@@rockycomet4587 I burn modern bible's. The KJV is infallible
@@user-sl5rk4dm8y maybe listen to the video again,