WHAT DID 30 YEARS OF DISC EVOLUTION DO?! (1989 vs 2019)
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
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One of the first sharp edged disc golf drivers, the Discraft Eclipse! Brought onto the market back in 1989!! That's three years before I was born... I'm putting it to the test against one of the most popular Discmania discs ever, the DD3. In my head it was going to be a closer competition but it turns out that there is just too big of a difference in the two. Not a huge surprise, but definitely interesting. 
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I watched the entire video waiting for the guy in the thumbnail to show up
his name is mr sexy
2:43 ruclips.net/video/apQn_A6OiZ8/видео.html
Yup!!! Maybe if we wait hahaha
I thought the same. Looks like a Baaad Dude.
His name is ken climo he’s been playing a long time
I think you should retro disc challenge. 18 holes using nothing but 80's discs. See what you can do with them. That would be awesome!
That's just what I was going to say!
And play against a 950-990 ish rated player with today's discs.
I agree...but he probably would still throw them the way he is used to his bagged discs and not really by how the old stuff had to be thrown...I learned on the old stuff and still trhow some of it. The new stuff definately has a learning transition from the old. Out of 17 that i bag, i have about 6 new guys that were fairly easy to transition to
@@abilenediscdyeguy385 I was thinking about that. They'd have to learn the discs.
A tournament where the players had to throw all period discs would be fun. Perhaps a little later, 90s.
CCDG did a battle of the eras a few years back that was like that. Simon was circa 2005 Discmania, I think. Nate Sexton threw 80s Innova.
I used to be a disc golfer back in the day was a PDGA number 5016 I also used to throw eclipses they called me the master of the eclipse cuz I had so many different ones that were under stable to stable. Great idea the show what we did back in the day compared to what you guys do today you guys are awesome.
@ yeah, shut up TJ
@ can I have your # if your not gonna use it anymore
Ha ha that pdga number is from like five years ago!
@@ch319ris What are you on dude? The link even says member since 1989. 133k members currently.
Dang dude, you're from Blanchester? That's legit. I'm from near Clarksville. That's awesome!
1:51 “You might think to your self, hey this isn’t a fair contest. And I say You’re right. But, that’s not the point of the video.”
It’s crazy to hear his release.. the power behind it.. scorching
As Brodie Smith raises the youtube content level, Simon does too. Great to see disc golf youtube going to new levels!
Yes sir
Ones won something. Ones never played.
Brodie has won something now too
Brodie does nothing for the sport, he’s a clown all he cares about is ad revenue and sponsorships.
@@beerad9073 Lol I am pretty sure brod has way too much money to care about disc golf money, you do realize he was a really successful youtuber for a long time? He already gets mainstream brand deals, he doesn't need disc golf at all. You don't make sense saying he is only coming into disc golf for money, there is no really much money to be made in disc golf, he would have been better off sticking to golf. All of that to say, is your point is a terrible argumemt.
The Eclipse was one of my first drivers. It was about that time I played a tournament with your dad and saw you as a small boy! After nearly 20 years of playing Ultimate I came back to disc golf last year and was blown away by the improvement of the discs! Great video, keep it up & best wishes from Hannover, Germany!
Great story
Was my first driver
It sounds like a freaking Jet flying over when the disc rips out of his hand. Unreal
I remember being down the fairway for one of his drives and thats exactly what its like. Disc just cruises by and then everyone just looks at eachother in disbelief.
@@chrisrowe2321 your lucky
I noticed this is another of his videos but, it is much more pronounced here. I think it has something to do with his camera upgrade, assuming that has a better microphone. It’s definitely something. I’m curious to know if I’ve never noticed it in person due to ambient noise or if Simon is just a freak. Probably a bit of both.
Last time Eclipse was in production in the 2000's it was called a low fairway/fast midrange hybrid disc, similar in line to the Stratus or modern Archer.
Definitely thought this was gonna be a video of Simon vs An Old Man
Me too
Dude, I'm 88 and I don't look half as old as Old Man Simon in the thumbnail ;P A bit overkill, regular beard would do just fine haha :D
@@chrisp9824 Pretty sure "old man Simon" is his dad, who obviously started with the older discs.
@@johnreuter4916 i think he simply used the filter what makes you look older
Thanks Simon for all the work you put into these videos.
Great content, as always! Love watching your stuff, Simon.
Great video and content! I am excited you were able to hook up with the Daily Disc Golf channel as well.
Ahhh, 1989! The year my hometown course went in the ground with baskets and I discovered this holy game.
My first Disc (I always capitalize "Disc" due to its spiritual significance) was a Stingray that PDGA #315 sold to me for $6 out of his garage. It seemed space age to me, and my 200' forehand hyzerflip straight shots with it seemed amazing compared to the Fastbacks I was used to throwing.
I hardly ever saw anybody else play, and when I did, they were as clueless as I was. I took my seven Discs with me to college (a Mid-American Conference school) in 1991. Stingray, Roc, Cobra, Viper, Whippet. F-15 Eagle, and a brand-new Chains Aviar. The nearest course was over an hour away and I didn't have a car, so I threw them in the quad at trees. In four years I once saw four others also doing this. That's it!
I moved to Lansing in 1995 and encountered a club of enthusiasts who knew what they were doing for the first time (the Capital City Renegades) and that's really where my passion for this Holy Happy Hippie Frisbee sport ignited.
So far, everything mentioned does not involve the internet at all. I heard about Grand Woods Park from word-of-mouth 8 months after I moved there. RUclips wouldn't be invented for another decade.
By 1998 I was watching Ken Climo, Scott Stokely, Ron Russell, Steve Rico, Shawn Sinclair, Mike Moser and a host of others playing in big tournaments. Climo was hitting up to 400' with his Gazelles, but perfectly. Stokely was pin-high on a 480' hole with his XL but 100' left. Guess which one deuced the hole?
man i love this channel. simon just has such a good attitude and fun positivity. the only thing i'd mention is that simon is probably used to throwing the DD3, maybe if he threw the Eclipse for a few weeks he'd get better at making it work.
9:42 Shots fired at Niko Rättyä lol
I remember when the Eclipse came out, it was the hot stuff driver at the time. I still have a few sitting around the house somewhere, but they're not exactly making it in the bag. I'm super impressed Simon could get it out there 400+ in the first place. Just goes to show how technique and arm-speed have gone up over the decades. Great video! Glad to see the an old timey disc catching some air.
I am a huge fan and have been playing DG for about a year, one thing I struggle with and come across a lot is tee pads that are slanted/uneven, which naturally can affect your balance, form, and overall shot!
I love watching all of your vlogs and I was hoping you’d be up for making a video with some tips and tricks on how to conquer those holes!
So it seems easier for old guys to learn new discs than the younger generations. We Rely on hyser and turn they relied on straight shots or played more left to right then right to left. Pretty crazy to think about how much this game has changed. Great video. Thanks. I’m with Brodie on that comment, where’s the older guy? 😂
I still have a eclipse in my collection that I bought in 91. Used to love that disc!
Fun video! Thanks, Simon!
This is great! Love it!!
I have an Eclipse & it's a bomb disc for us amateurs. Although I don't bag it it seems everything in Simon's hands is spectacular!. I have a new appreciation for the veterans like Ken Climo. Seems he was the GOAT. 👍😃
The degree of difference (the actual point of the video) was interesting to see. I still have an old eclipse from my early days. I was thinking I might break it out again so I could blame my lame distance on the disc!
I think you are my favorite youtuber and disc golfer👍🏻
i'm loving the 'whoosh' sound at lauch...
Hey Borderland State Park. Love that course. When I played there, there were about 50 people in that field so I didn’t even realize it could be used as a driving range.
Overstable vs understable 9 hole challenge would be a great follow up to this video
I through Tracers and Eclipses when I started back in the day. Magnets and 86 Softys for putters , Rocks and Sharks for midrange and a secret weapon Phantom+. Discs were only $8.00 and there was no such thing as 'Pay as you Play'. It was just free.
Great video! In all fairness though, the Eclipse was never a very stable driver. Whippet and Gazelles were good stable drivers. That old plastic never did hold up either lol This is the era where the term “tacoing” the disc came to be 😂
When I started disc golfing in 1998 my bag was 4 disc, eclipse, #1 hyzer, roc, aviar putter.
You should buy the old lightning disc and compare those.
That's a great outlook on old discs.
Would be really interesting to see a more 1:1 comparison.
Grab something like an under stable fairway.
The Eclipse was my first driver in 94. I used it for about a year before moving to Dallas, where I started playing with incredible players on amazing courses. The first round I had with the local league, my partner on my card saw the Eclipse and asked my why I was throwing it. He said it was about the worst driver design that they had tried to use and *nobody* threw it. He handed me a Cyclone and told me to use it for the round. By the end of the game, I added around 125 feet to my drive. I was still trying to figure out how to throw far, so 125 wasn’t a serious improvement compared to the other players, but the difference between a Cyclone and the Eclipse…
Well, it’s pretty impressive you could get the Eclipse over 350.
I absolutely love my eclipse, I'm young and its a awsome old school disc, a flip to flat mobster truly a different disc in today's bag
My first driver
That was pretty flippin awesome thank u 🙏
Great vid and very interesting!!
Also with Casey on tour who is your camera/sidekick guy??
How do I apply?? Hahaha
Dude, that eclipse is cold. The retro look is definitely amazing.
I remember when fairway drivers were the farthest flying discs you could buy. And there was no premium plastic. If you could throw one 400 feet you were a god amongst men.
I remember throwing a cyclone 426ft in a distance contest in '92. It's a 7-speed. lol
I can throw further now at 47 than I could in 1997... All I can say is thank heavens for new disc technology because I was way stronger then. Granted my form is a little better nowdays.
Thanks for the vids Simon!
awesome video more of these please
Simon you are just great my man!
gonna be really fun to see this :D
This was a great concept! I wonder the difference in these throws would be 1989, 1999, 2009, 2019 . That would be cool
Also, while playing a tournament in 1997, I won the amateur closest to the hole with an eclipse on a 280 foot hole. Got a nice S curve and landed about 8 feet from the pin to win by about two inches over the next best throw, and got a t-shirt. Woot!
This video keeps popping up in my feed. The thumbnail makes me laugh every time.
When you throw at the speed of sound its just unfair. Thanks Simon lol
I was playing back then. High speed drivers hadn't been invented yet. Those drivers can't compare with the wide rim, high speed, drivers that are out today. After those things hit a couple of trees they were shot. Back then Innova Stingrays were considered ultra long range drivers because they were understable and you could finesse a long hyzer flip out of them. With today's, more stable, high speed drivers and those that are used to powering them they can fly much further.
Simon your great!!!! Nice video and i think you have the tools to beat everybody on the field just play smarth with your instics good luck out there.
Totally thought the thumbnail picture was going to be your dad! Hahaha 😂
It is.
I don't know why, but I love the old discs. I have a bunch of the old Lightning Discs war plane discs that I use all the time. I just think they look cool. I'm also super casual though.
Great vid Simon
I won the BSF FA1 in 2010 throwing the Eclipse predominantly. Slower arm speed, it’s a good disc. Even I can’t throw it anymore but it worked its magic for me well into the 2000s (I also still throw the old flat top XDs, though).
Wish you picked a modern midrange or teebird-like disc to compare this to, still cool video! How much was the eclipse ??
Back then the Viper was the innovative truly overstable disc choice, but that still didnt come for a few more years. Overall looks like 30 years of evolution added about 33' to a drive every 10 years 3.3+ feet every year! Woot, disc golf kicks butt. Next well be flying in these things! A Viper vs. Extreme video would be awesome.
there was an ace race tournament here in florida using the eclipse discs from back in the day, they were so hard to throw!
I remember when this disc came out..the feel was actually quite strange compared to what we had been throwing. I never liked the eclipse back then at all and it wasn’t too long before Cyclones took over in the Discraft section of disc golf. Those were good times.
man the force behind this..
Simon: "So, let's put them to the test, and see... who survives!"
Me: "Wait, what kind of test am I watching here!?
This was a great video
Listening to the sheer power the noise it makes is so satisfying 😂
An interesting video for sure. I enjoyed it
@simonlizotte how do I improve my back hand. My Max is like 220 maybe and I've tried everything. I watch you and your throws and everyone else's and I can't seem to figure out what's wrong. Please help
I’m not sure what it is, maybe a new camera or mic but the sound after Simon throws the discs is pretty cool. I wish I could get that sound for my out going messages.
I still have 3 of the Eclispe which in the day were great the one test i would have liked to see is which one goes farther when trying to throw straight. Cant believe you found one in that condition.
Fun stuff Simon
Great vid to show the evolution of discs. I see you're back at borderlands. How come you never tried Tully? Time is running out if you're moving soon
It only makes sense since you've played the top 2 courses in mass. Not saying Tully 3 but it's up there
The fact the Eclipse survived the impact with the ground after Simon threw it in the clouds has to be worth something.
That 1989 forehand though nice full follow thru
The eclipse was my first disc, used to play all my shots with it
Yay. A new video
Great idea for a video! I wonder if you ever met Ralph "Geezer" Williamson (pdga#10). Boy, he sure dropped a lot of fantastic rollers with the Eclipse.
Eric Edgerton I would have loved to have seen Ralph throw his roller but he was retired & selling discs out of his car when I met him.
I like your new castle
Disc Golf has come a long way
You forgot one challenge! Hitting first available tree with a full power drive! How does 30 years in plastic development change the way the discs handle impacts. (I mean we already know the answer, but still an important improvement to test). I understand if you didn't want to ruin a vintage disc though I guess haha
I like the video, next you should try a viper or ram or even an x-clone
I think you should grow the beard!!! The Lizotte beard!!
I still have a baseline plastic eclipse that I'm still throwing maybe because I haven't saved up enough money to buy new discs 😜 I've always found the eclipse to be pretty consistent
what disc distance app are you using???
I still bag by battered 1992 eclipse...I guess it does go to show how you throw em if you are comfortable with them. I get chuckled at because i still throw some dx plastic. But tech has definately upped the game.
Should have done a C2 putting challenge as well!
I call my old bead Whippet my trusty 9 iron, it has a 97' Biggest Disc Golf Weekend stamp LOL. 7 out of the 15 discs in my bag are OOP, but I'm always trying out new discs. Most are just too understable for my speed and power!
There is another variable that plays into this experiment! Simon, you practice all the time with the DD3!
Yeah, the last two challenges in particular would come down to whatever you're comfortable with. I mean, Conrad would throw an Aviar for a 300' upshot... The Aviar was around in the 80's too! Maybe not the beaded ones, I don't know.
Callaway Cass 100%. I like the idea of the video, but there are too many variables. He should have thrown a disc brand he is not apart of. Discmania probably wouldn’t like that though.
I still have 2 Eclipses and I actually carry one in my bag. I don't throw it often, but I still have it. Did you compare the widths? My Eclipse is the widest disc in my bag.
I'll take that Eclipse off your hands if you don't need it 🤔
To be honest, the only surprising part of this video is finding out there was disk golf in 1989. I don’t remember ever finding out about it until around 2005.
That said, I personally don’t think all these advancements really add anything to the game. They just allow you to keep up with the next guy who just bought the newest equipment, which is the way a lot of sports end up. I can go out with my son with one disk each and we have a blast or I could spend a couple hundred bucks on disks between the two of us and I don’t think it would add any enjoyment for us. If I were playing competitively with other people though I’d certainly have to buy more stuff.
My father was a pro in the early 90s and 2000s. I have a lot of the old plastics, some designs are still really good like the classic roc and roc.
The Eclipse was my first driver in 1997
what was the distance record in 89? edit: appears to be about 623 feet, got some work on that eclipse Simon!
Might have been better to use a 165g Phenix which held the distance record at that time instead of the Eclipse for a more apples to apples comparison. However, the Eclipse Rim Config spec of 26 was eventually used to set the smallest rim config allowed in the PDGA Tech Standards.
Simon, ask Eagle why he has not dropped any videos this year? Peace !!
As others have suggested, how about an 80s disc challenge, AND if there's a course out there that the Champ played on and there's a video of his round.....
Now THAT would be cool!
and as some have commented (myself included), check video battle of eras.
You should do one with putters from 1989, 1999, and 2009 or something like that. Then you don't have any discs that you actually throw, so there's no advantage
Bruh the whooosh when you throw!
Back in the day Hole 10 was 260 feet across water. Only a handful of the regulars didn't lay up. Just makes what Kenny didn't even better.
He could probably make another video showing situations on course where the eclipse would be a better option than the DD3. It happens.
What up Hucksquad!!!!!.....nice
I took out my 1994 Innova Dolphin I drove with back in the day and tossed it to show my Instagram folks how flippy it was. The disk flipped up and took off like it space ship, lol. These disc have come a long way for sure.
Why does it sound like the discs have rocket boosters when they leave Simon's hand? Where do I learn this power?
I see my boy Noah made the video!
@6:58 Simon's friends....hey Simon, what are you doing this weeke......oh...nevermind.