You get it, Crispy. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten sick of whatever show my family was watching because the character relationships had all dissolved into nonstop toxic misery. As I’ve tried to explain to my family, I don’t need/want everyone to get along perfectly all the time, but if there’s nothing good in the relationship to root for, I’m going to have a hard time caring. Thank goodness for my D&D party cultivating positive relationships with each other and my NPCs. Anyway, happy Valentine’s Day, everyone!
If you really think about it when if comes to TV shows and movies how often do we actually see a good romantic relationship? Couples that are as good as Gomez and Morticia aren't really as common as I'd like to think.
Gomez and Morticia is lightning in a bottle, no one really captures it as someone always has to look "better, smarter" though another couple that I always liked deep down... Peg and Al.. they snip at each other... say how they dislike the other for various reasons and yeah both have wandering eyes but anyone messes with the other and they are right there taking care of it and you see genuine love deep below the surface.
Harmony in a relationship doesn't tell stories as entertaining as people being cruel to each other. Just think about how many Sitcom episodes have two best friends being interested in the same woman, promising each other not to date that woman and then both of them do exactly that behind each others back. If they would handle the situation Like reasonable adults, there would be no story to fill a whole episode...
As a fellow Ace, I'm on my way to celebrate valentines with my best friend by going on a little 3 day vacation! But in my dnd game, we started to stay like 20-60min after the session just to talk, see if everyone is alright with what happend. If something needs to change or in what direction we want to go and I love it!
I guess the pitfall to avoid with a pre-planned romance is if it winds up feeling forced. It can work very well if it's planned in advance, yeah, but I think players should also feel flexible, and if going in a different direction feels right, be open to going with it. Most of the romances I've played in games have been serendipitous. I'm in a group that enjoys and trusts each other, and we've mixed it up in various ways, with some happy endings, and one incredibly tragic love story between my character and another, that had be crying for days after the game ended. I'm really proud of how it turned out. It wasn't totally planned, at all. The other really good campaign I'm in does not have so much romance. Very little at all. The DM expressed discomfort with it, and so it's really de-emphasized. I did write a boyfriend into my character's backstory, who was missing and we went through a daring rescue that almost didn't work. I was going to just have the boyfriend be my own backup character, but another player was really not happy with the character he was playing. So with my consent and DM's permission, he built the rescued boyfriend into a new player character. Mostly our characters are BFFs who happen to be in love. We don't get raunchy or anything. The important things, IMO, are comfort and trust. And if anyone is uncomfortable, that's a hard NO.
I wouldn't have seen it coming but this video actually gave me an epiphany about what makes pre-established relationships in D&D work, or not work, for me as a player. Even platonic ones. Thank you for that Crispy!! When you talked about "making characters with chemistry" I realized, THAT is the key. I have always preferred to let my PCs organically get introduced to the party members and create in game memories together, so that I as a player, have something to go off of. Except for one time, in my main party where it was easily decided that my character had previous history with another. They hadn't seen eachother in a long time, but were long lost besties. To my surprise, it worked! But when a different friend in a different party asked me "How do we know eachother?" I was like "Uuuh..." and felt very strongly that I did NOT want to have pre-established character connections. I realize now that in the first case, my character was an Assasin Rogue with the Urchin background and my friends character was a Charlatan Bard. They were from similar walks of life. The two of us had also gushed excitedly out of game about our characters to eachother during character creation. So it just *made sense* that two people like them could know eachother, and we were both excited about eachother's PCs. I had something to RP with, to pretend the characters had history that didn't actually play out at the table. But with my other friend, she hadn't decided her characters backstory, and I didn't know much about her character at all. Then to top it off, the character I had planned, was a Nymph Ranger, the epitome of someone who was alone until she decided to become an adventurer. So the two characters had no way to have chemistry. They weren't made to do so and also I can't RP what I don't know. Now I know just what to do if this comes up again!
I love Imodna so much, ship art of them, and me sewing my own Paté plush was the only thing that kept me going through the several episodes that….spoilers) . . . ….Laudna was temporarily deceased during. all those episodes were so ACK MY HEART- AND THE EPISODE SHE CAME BACK? I literally cried lil gay tears of joy.
Something that I would add is communication outside of the table, needless to say there was a talk to set the characters for this plot. However something we see in horror stories there is no out of game talk with the parties concerned. We see stuff like a spouce rp flirting and the partner not having a good time out of it, and the spouce then blames the partner for their feelings and they should just get over it "as it's just a game". Rather than having a talk to make everyone comfortable first and foremost. (this particular issue was talked out of game in the first campaign, as I recall from interviews)
Question: Has a game ever made you cry? I recently just beat Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and let me tell you that game is a wild ride of emotions. Seriously if you havent played that game you should. Its on the Wii, Switch, and the not so New 3DS
It's just... Velma didn't just take Scooby out... They made him a woman (from what I understand, I refuse to watch the show but I have unwillingly learned things) and made her Shaggy's love interest?! And... it's just.... Vile... Not too mention the toxic relationships and sexualization of minors in an adult TV show.. I just wish they at least made them college-age if they were going to do that! It feels so gross!
Nope, thats not Scoob. Its a new character. This lie (along with the lies about the sexualization of minors) has been passed along by right-wing trolls.
I'm baffled. Not feeling this as a romantic or sexual relationship in any way. I very much doubt it would be intended, because if so, it's terribly executed. Feels like a purely platonic friendship, no other chemistry at all.
Wait, they are a couple? This isn't just a ship? Literally first time learning about and I have watched every week. Oooookay, thought I was crazy... well...
They aren’t officially a couple it’s more ship shit pushing. I don’t have issue with them becoming a couple but Christ the ship stuff is just toxic to watch after awhile.
You should check out "Fiasco" and maybe "Pasión de las pasiones". Toxic relationships can be a lot of fun, if done right. Also, TV isn't RPG and most shows (especially comedic one) work on the premise that characters are more or less antagonistic towards each other. Velma was OK, since the characters move in different circles anyway, other shows are far more egregious (like "How are met your mother", where we are constantly told Ted and the gang are really close friends, yet they constantly treat each other like shit).
Honestly the best portrayal of scooby doo had to be Mystery inc. It had a much more serious tone, the group had issues through the series but they fixed them and were never toxic about it. It is leagues above Velma.
“They’re just roommates guys. No gays to be seen.” I’ll be first in line to say that romance is not a required end goal for a relationship. But come on. If you can’t see that these 2 are into each other… we’ll I don’t know what to tell you.
@@CrispysTavern I kinda think that Ashton is going to have a role in this relationship. SPOILERS FOR C3: They're clearly very much in love with Laudna, and she's obviously oblivious of that (I think the cast realized Taliesin going for this subplot when Ash threatened Pâté, and they've been whiteknighting her even before her death, I noticed it first when they were in Bassuras in the crack house). So, either they're going to have their heart broken, or the three of them are going to be a beautiful throuple, because if Imodna doesn't happen, the fans are going to react very badly. Anyway, the first thing I noticed about Imogen and Laudna is their visual resemblance to Princess Bubblegum and Marceline from Adventure Time, who are canonically a couple. Buuuuuut (and please, mind that this is my personal opinion as a bi demisexual cis woman) I don't want to see them together as a couple. The reason for this is that I'd prefer to see a different loving relationship between women than the usual romantic plot, which Marisha already explored through Beau and her relationship with Yasha in C2. Maybe it's because I miss my BFF (we've grown apart because adult life and the pandemic), but I'd love to see a nice huge friendship/sisterhood arc that is as big and as important as a romantic relationship, or even more. And also because Ashton is hot (even though a bit annoying with their whiteknighting) and them and Laudna would be hilarious together. So yes, I am a Laudshton (Ashna?) shipper, and I know that I will never see that happen. EDIT: I think that Dorian and Orym need to end up together. They're so cute in their interactions, and in one of the first 4 sided dives Robbie actually revealed that Dorian was crushing for someone who wasn't Imogen (as Marisha directly asked).
There is nothing "obvious" about it though. They obviously care about each other but nothing about it has romantic undertones. They are the pair of the group that have known each other the longest and both come from fairly isolated situations and have developed a (borderline unhealthy) level of codependency as a result. Their relationship isn't dissimilar to Vex and Vax and I'm hesitant to call it romantic just because their dynamic is solid. Rule of thumb when it comes relationships in a game is that no one is in love until they are.
You get it, Crispy. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten sick of whatever show my family was watching because the character relationships had all dissolved into nonstop toxic misery. As I’ve tried to explain to my family, I don’t need/want everyone to get along perfectly all the time, but if there’s nothing good in the relationship to root for, I’m going to have a hard time caring. Thank goodness for my D&D party cultivating positive relationships with each other and my NPCs. Anyway, happy Valentine’s Day, everyone!
If you really think about it when if comes to TV shows and movies how often do we actually see a good romantic relationship? Couples that are as good as Gomez and Morticia aren't really as common as I'd like to think.
Gomez and Morticia is lightning in a bottle, no one really captures it as someone always has to look "better, smarter"
though another couple that I always liked deep down... Peg and Al.. they snip at each other... say how they dislike the other for various reasons and yeah both have wandering eyes but anyone messes with the other and they are right there taking care of it and you see genuine love deep below the surface.
Harmony in a relationship doesn't tell stories as entertaining as people being cruel to each other.
Just think about how many Sitcom episodes have two best friends being interested in the same woman, promising each other not to date that woman and then both of them do exactly that behind each others back. If they would handle the situation Like reasonable adults, there would be no story to fill a whole episode...
As a fellow Ace, I'm on my way to celebrate valentines with my best friend by going on a little 3 day vacation!
But in my dnd game, we started to stay like 20-60min after the session just to talk, see if everyone is alright with what happend. If something needs to change or in what direction we want to go and I love it!
This just in: the Imodna love confession intertwining painfully well with the looming apogee apocalypse… can’t wait for all the drama to unfold
I guess the pitfall to avoid with a pre-planned romance is if it winds up feeling forced. It can work very well if it's planned in advance, yeah, but I think players should also feel flexible, and if going in a different direction feels right, be open to going with it.
Most of the romances I've played in games have been serendipitous. I'm in a group that enjoys and trusts each other, and we've mixed it up in various ways, with some happy endings, and one incredibly tragic love story between my character and another, that had be crying for days after the game ended. I'm really proud of how it turned out. It wasn't totally planned, at all.
The other really good campaign I'm in does not have so much romance. Very little at all. The DM expressed discomfort with it, and so it's really de-emphasized. I did write a boyfriend into my character's backstory, who was missing and we went through a daring rescue that almost didn't work. I was going to just have the boyfriend be my own backup character, but another player was really not happy with the character he was playing. So with my consent and DM's permission, he built the rescued boyfriend into a new player character. Mostly our characters are BFFs who happen to be in love. We don't get raunchy or anything.
The important things, IMO, are comfort and trust. And if anyone is uncomfortable, that's a hard NO.
I wouldn't have seen it coming but this video actually gave me an epiphany about what makes pre-established relationships in D&D work, or not work, for me as a player. Even platonic ones. Thank you for that Crispy!!
When you talked about "making characters with chemistry" I realized, THAT is the key. I have always preferred to let my PCs organically get introduced to the party members and create in game memories together, so that I as a player, have something to go off of. Except for one time, in my main party where it was easily decided that my character had previous history with another. They hadn't seen eachother in a long time, but were long lost besties. To my surprise, it worked! But when a different friend in a different party asked me "How do we know eachother?" I was like "Uuuh..." and felt very strongly that I did NOT want to have pre-established character connections. I realize now that in the first case, my character was an Assasin Rogue with the Urchin background and my friends character was a Charlatan Bard. They were from similar walks of life. The two of us had also gushed excitedly out of game about our characters to eachother during character creation. So it just *made sense* that two people like them could know eachother, and we were both excited about eachother's PCs. I had something to RP with, to pretend the characters had history that didn't actually play out at the table. But with my other friend, she hadn't decided her characters backstory, and I didn't know much about her character at all. Then to top it off, the character I had planned, was a Nymph Ranger, the epitome of someone who was alone until she decided to become an adventurer. So the two characters had no way to have chemistry. They weren't made to do so and also I can't RP what I don't know. Now I know just what to do if this comes up again!
I love Imodna so much, ship art of them, and me sewing my own Paté plush was the only thing that kept me going through the several episodes that….spoilers)
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….Laudna was temporarily deceased during. all those episodes were so ACK MY HEART- AND THE EPISODE SHE CAME BACK? I literally cried lil gay tears of joy.
Something that I would add is communication outside of the table, needless to say there was a talk to set the characters for this plot. However something we see in horror stories there is no out of game talk with the parties concerned.
We see stuff like a spouce rp flirting and the partner not having a good time out of it, and the spouce then blames the partner for their feelings and they should just get over it "as it's just a game". Rather than having a talk to make everyone comfortable first and foremost. (this particular issue was talked out of game in the first campaign, as I recall from interviews)
Heh, for Valentine's day my dad always gets me something, usually flowers, so I always feel special on that day.
i’m not even keeping up with c3 but hell yeah aces for imodna
Happy Valentines day, Crispy 🥰
Question: Has a game ever made you cry? I recently just beat Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and let me tell you that game is a wild ride of emotions. Seriously if you havent played that game you should. Its on the Wii, Switch, and the not so New 3DS
Imodna.
It's just... Velma didn't just take Scooby out... They made him a woman (from what I understand, I refuse to watch the show but I have unwillingly learned things) and made her Shaggy's love interest?! And... it's just.... Vile... Not too mention the toxic relationships and sexualization of minors in an adult TV show.. I just wish they at least made them college-age if they were going to do that! It feels so gross!
Nope, thats not Scoob. Its a new character.
This lie (along with the lies about the sexualization of minors) has been passed along by right-wing trolls.
Oh so marisha finally got her wish?
Shipwright advice!
I'm baffled. Not feeling this as a romantic or sexual relationship in any way. I very much doubt it would be intended, because if so, it's terribly executed. Feels like a purely platonic friendship, no other chemistry at all.
Wait, they are a couple? This isn't just a ship? Literally first time learning about and I have watched every week.
Oooookay, thought I was crazy... well...
They aren’t officially a couple it’s more ship shit pushing. I don’t have issue with them becoming a couple but Christ the ship stuff is just toxic to watch after awhile.
You should check out "Fiasco" and maybe "Pasión de las pasiones". Toxic relationships can be a lot of fun, if done right.
Also, TV isn't RPG and most shows (especially comedic one) work on the premise that characters are more or less antagonistic towards each other. Velma was OK, since the characters move in different circles anyway, other shows are far more egregious (like "How are met your mother", where we are constantly told Ted and the gang are really close friends, yet they constantly treat each other like shit).
Honestly the best portrayal of scooby doo had to be Mystery inc. It had a much more serious tone, the group had issues through the series but they fixed them and were never toxic about it. It is leagues above Velma.
How is the asexual giving me life advice?
An asexual still has life experience to offer.
@@claudiamcfie1265 Yes asexuals are the wisest wizards, but i don't remember wizards giving love advice
Asexual is different from aromantic
@@lalunafate dude the comment was a joke, not a serious question.
Didn't seem like it but okay, fair enough
God, I hope not. Just because two women are good friends, doesn’t mean they’re automatically meant to be lesbian lovers.
“They’re just roommates guys. No gays to be seen.”
I’ll be first in line to say that romance is not a required end goal for a relationship. But come on. If you can’t see that these 2 are into each other… we’ll I don’t know what to tell you.
why cant they be both?
@@CrispysTavern I kinda think that Ashton is going to have a role in this relationship.
SPOILERS FOR C3:
They're clearly very much in love with Laudna, and she's obviously oblivious of that (I think the cast realized Taliesin going for this subplot when Ash threatened Pâté, and they've been whiteknighting her even before her death, I noticed it first when they were in Bassuras in the crack house). So, either they're going to have their heart broken, or the three of them are going to be a beautiful throuple, because if Imodna doesn't happen, the fans are going to react very badly.
Anyway, the first thing I noticed about Imogen and Laudna is their visual resemblance to Princess Bubblegum and Marceline from Adventure Time, who are canonically a couple. Buuuuuut (and please, mind that this is my personal opinion as a bi demisexual cis woman) I don't want to see them together as a couple. The reason for this is that I'd prefer to see a different loving relationship between women than the usual romantic plot, which Marisha already explored through Beau and her relationship with Yasha in C2. Maybe it's because I miss my BFF (we've grown apart because adult life and the pandemic), but I'd love to see a nice huge friendship/sisterhood arc that is as big and as important as a romantic relationship, or even more. And also because Ashton is hot (even though a bit annoying with their whiteknighting) and them and Laudna would be hilarious together. So yes, I am a Laudshton (Ashna?) shipper, and I know that I will never see that happen.
EDIT: I think that Dorian and Orym need to end up together. They're so cute in their interactions, and in one of the first 4 sided dives Robbie actually revealed that Dorian was crushing for someone who wasn't Imogen (as Marisha directly asked).
There is nothing "obvious" about it though. They obviously care about each other but nothing about it has romantic undertones. They are the pair of the group that have known each other the longest and both come from fairly isolated situations and have developed a (borderline unhealthy) level of codependency as a result. Their relationship isn't dissimilar to Vex and Vax and I'm hesitant to call it romantic just because their dynamic is solid. Rule of thumb when it comes relationships in a game is that no one is in love until they are.
@@nojusticenetwork9309 But everyone is shippable, if that's what you're into.