Here is a tip for 5.0 Mustang guy that looks to be on stock tires. Don't bother with doing a burn out before you run. You are not running slicks and actually get less traction by doing that. Maybe a quick spin to clean them off if needed, but not what you did.
Man, I LOVE that car! Nice shifts too. It is literally like you executed the perfect s197 aesthetic I've always imagined for mine. That's what's up my guy
MAN I HAVE TOO SAY THE CAR LOOKS GREAT AND AS FOR THE INTERIOR LOL THE CENTER GAGE PACK THAT I HAVE IN MY 07 SUPER SNAKE WOULD LOOK AWSOME IN YOUR CAR AND I KNOW YOUR CAR ISN'T SUPERCHARGED LOL SHELBY AMERICAN SELLS THE GAGE PACK IN OIL PREASURE OIL TEMPERATURE AND FUEL PRESSURE LOL I JUST THINK IT COMPLETES THE INTERIOR OF THE CAR.
Your 3V is light so it def trounces both the S550 and Gen 5 ZL1 off the line as they are both BIG Girls. However, once them BIG Girls get their weight behind them, they are clearly the faster cars. The S550 is faster up top than a Gen 6 Camaro SS as Motortrend did that race over and over again in the desert with the Stang whoopin the Gen 6 each time. I’m not sure about top end with the 5.0 vs the ZL1 though. I haven’t seen a Gen 5 ZL1 race a 5.0 over triple digits. Be proud of your Stang man. She sounds amazing and can hold her own. She just don’t have the legs of the S550 up top
I have a 13 gt and at the time of the race I just had a cobra jet manifold and bolt ons vs my buddy's bolt on and pullied zl1 and I could hang for a bit but he'd pull on the top end. He's since sold the car and I'm turbo'd now but the weight of the zl1 made it "slowish" for what it was.
That's really impressive, you kept up with a gen 3 considering they make 460 hp which is like 410ish whp, & your making 361 whp which is 410-420 hp you can see it's not close power wise but 3vs have the advantage weighting in like 3400 lbs, if you can squeeze in a lil more power or reduce more weight you'd gapp a gen 3 no problem
@@BaKeDCrAcKer mine made 423 HP and 386 torque. My dad's also made similar power at 413 hp and 380 pounds of torque (a little less cuz it's auto.) So yeah ur wrong.
All dynos read different. On a local hub dyno in town most stock gen 3’s with an auto will make 400whp. They’ll read different on every dyno, even if it’s the same dyno. There’s a lot of factors when it comes to dyno numbers. There’s no set number
I'm having GREMLINS in the 2011 coyote I bought with 92,000 original un modded miles. I'm seriously thinking of selling and building another 3valve. Who the hell wants max torque at 4000 rpms? I wan't it ON DEMAND!
@@_slow_4.6l_ Right, thats why bone stock 2018's with 10speeds were capable of running 11.9 on the stock MPS4S full weight and full exhaust and an e85 tune pushed that closer to the 10's. The difference between 3rd gen coyotes that are 6 speed and 10 speed is a pretty big difference.
Doesn't need them. The only issue with the 21 mustang in this video is the tires it was running on. Couldn't get as good of a launch. It would do worse with 4.10 gears by the way without the proper tire. Not only that but 4.10s are great for long geared cars which the last gen mustangs aren't long geared for anything higher than a 3.73 to make great use.
@@bricebarefoot3437 … ya no I usually end up a couple car lengths ahead. Power to weight young buck.. I’m over a 1000 pounds lighter than the new mustangs
@@BMGYGK77 You're definitely not 1000lbs lighter lol. No way a 330rwhp is beating a gen 3 10spd. I owned many stangs including a 97 gt and a 01 procharged making 430rwhp 418lbs torque None would beat a gen 3 stock...
@@TB-vb3ov really? A base model GT that’s been gutted that literally weights 3057 pounds with me in it. I have a weigh scale at work and weigh it often. I also never specified what year, make and model for a “new mustang” It’s guys like you that ruin a fun thread. You never seen my car, have no idea what it has other than I mention my dyno numbers and YOUR telling me I don’t weight 1000 less then a new mustang. Get out of here man. I ran a manual 2012 Vert GT yesterday and spanked him. Get out of here with your dick measuring contest you are clearly losing at. We’re having fun over here, talking about cars 2012 curb weight is 3720.. add a 200 pound man that’s 3920. Now time for basic math. 3920-3057 is 863 difference. And I never run a full tank a fuel. They dyno at about 375 rwhp I’m at 330 .. basic sciences at this point. I win all day long bro
That thing is Rollin! I expected you to be lunch! Even with the passenger to compensate for your weight advantage! But, you've got that launch mastered!
Everyone says that 3v is slow. Well idk but if they are slow yours must be possessed by a car god cause your s197 3v runs like a top. Great video it shows that our cars aren’t irrelevant in today’s car craze
I have a fbo cammed 3v 4.10 gears and a 150 shot. My buddy has a fbo on e85 gen 3 10spd. We did a 50 to 130 roll. I had him by a fender till I had to shift then he got out on me by half a car and I couldn’t get back around him. He’s also got a 75 shot but wasn’t using it. Kind of my daughters channel but I have the video posted. Ran my other buddy with a stock 12 gt manual and with out the bottle we were side by side till 3rd and I finally started to pull on him ended up getting him by about a car maybe a little more
Amazing that the 3v pulls harder out of the hole. I have a 3v that I daily drive. A 5.0 wanted to race me on the highway. Nope, but if he wanted to race my 427R built to 800+ hp he would have been embarrassed 😳. Every one knows that a 4.6 in stock form is no match for a 5.0 . If ididnt build a 4.6 3v earlier than the coyote. I've would have been right there. The coyote engine is the best platform of all the big 3 to build for power.
@@DnRprodxIL but he didn’t say anything about a supercharged, fbo etc etc… he saying if he had his other car he would have beaten the stock 5.0… nothing more nothing less.
YAH THE COYOTE IS A BADASS MOTOR BUT YOU CAN'T FORGET ABOUT MY 5.4 IN MY 2 SUPERSNAKES AND MY 08 GT500 THAT MAKE A LOT OF POWER BUT IF IAM COMPLETELY HONEST THE 4.6 IN MY 04 COBRA IS PROBABLY THE STRONGEST FORD MOTOR BUILT IN THE MODERN ERA.
@@DnRprodxIL Maybe "you" all should stick to racing stock cars as it appears that many can't drive modified worth a darn and barely handle it when stock!! FBO this, Supercharger/Turbo that, E85, etc..etc and whatever other jargon you want to use sounds good until you're asked "do you wanna run" or "where is your car". Suddenly it's "oh, my buddy's car this/that" or best one.. "I'll run you when I get my car back from the shop and I should be pushing xxxHP!! So don't act like "stock" cars aren't exciting just because you can't handle them!!
Sounds like my friend with the fbo GTO i beat hahahhaa. All the sudden after all the talk..haha. thise were close ass races. I cant believe the 5.0 didnt pull harder up top. Lil 3v puttin in work :) if that had been a 10spd it would have been a very different story but it was neat to see stick vs stick.
@@hechtspeed we’re gonna run again now that he has brand new tires. I’ve raced a FBO 10 speed on a drag tires in another video and got pretty waxed haha. That was before the gears and nitrous tho
Good video. Facts listed well. Went how I would expect. 4.10s got the old gt better off the line. Im clear of the other mods. 5.0 better top end. Hopefully you bought the old gt before all the used car price hikes. And did the work yourself. Can be a great bargain with that combo. New 5.0 probably 50k these days.
It’s lighter, and this guy has a much better gear ratio than a stock 3v to go along with all the bolt ons/cams he installed. He also had a much better tire
Half second and 3 mph. Decent difference but I wouldn't call that "way slower". I'm assuming a good driver in the stick car with my quotes. Many people can't drive for shit so there is a much bigger gap in alot of cases. People don't realize with a manual the driver really makes a huge difference so you can't just put all manual cars in the same basket like they run x times or whatever.
Crucial things not mentioned, driver experience and tire. It’s clear the 5.0 was at a disadvantage with both. Good tire and experienced driver and the 3v would have seen nothing but tail every race.
Even from a roll we were still fairly even. That in itself should prove enough. Also I know he can drive that car great, we both autocross and have done road racing events together and he rocks. Since there’s so much doubt tho and he did just get fresh tires ig I’ll have to prove everyone wrong again.
@@midwestsbest2 I know that. He was on some 200 tread wear tires in the video, however they were almost done for. After all the races and burnouts he needed a new set lol. I’m on some 320 tread wear nittos. I usually take my 28” Mickey Thompson radials on when I’m gonna go drag racing but I wanted the race to be as realistic as it could be. With the nitrous plate on I also lose around 10whp and 10ths of torque on the dyno if I don’t spray but it doesn’t make too much of a difference on the street.
@@christianreyes368 Your car rocks bro, don't even fret my man, your car reminds me so much of my 2005 Mustang GT back in 2008, exactly like yours but I was lowered a Inch or so more with 17inch 315 cobra wheels with 4:30 gears. FBO, but I wasn't cammed. VP 93 Race Tune, 110mm JLT CAI, Ford Racing Intake manifold, LTH, O/R X pipe, SLP Loudmouths, MGW shifter, 1 piece driveshaft 315, 4:30 gears, I've launch a 12 GT500 out of the hole one occasion, was a night to remember lol. People are always going to rant and rave about the newest thing, its natural, but people forget that very new thing eventually becomes old and something new comes along and so on , so forth. Heck when the new 5.0s came out in 2011, it was like my 05 GT was irrelevant lol, but didn't bother me cause I like cars that you stop seeing less and less, makes it stand out more. I since sold that 05 back in 2014 and pick up a 2012 5.0 a few years later and added a few goodies to it. but even with my 12, being newer and faster all around, I still to this day miss my 05 GT, that was my OG car lol.
@@jasonblue8832 I feel you man. It’s awesome to have an older car like that. I have quite a bit of sentiment attachment to this one too since it’s not only my first car, but my only car and it has been for 4 years now.
We all know the 5.0 Coyote is stronger than my beautiful sounding 3 valve 4.6, but Christian can drive like a MF and made the 4.6 a serious threat without the NOS. Just damn good driving won here.
I watch when I get home from work. I have a 2007 GT/CS Convertible, it's a daily driver, but I've already done a lot of mod's to it, CAMS, Headers, Clutch, light weight flywheel, clutch line, shifter, ford racing CAI, Ford performance one piece drive shaft, cat's deleted, and more thing, that's just what come to mind. I wanted a coupe and still do, but every one I found had an automatic in it and I want a 5 speed manual.
I got the Shelby steering wheel from LMR. Bolts right up but you have to splice the wires to make cruise control work because it is at plug and play. Thanks for watching!!!
@@christianreyes368 awesome dude. Did you get it hooked up to your new radio? Also how does the alcantara feel for daily use? Again, great video and very educational
@@captaincobra4578 thanks dude! And I didn’t hook it up to the head unit because I need an adapter for it and I’ve just been to lazy to do it. But I like the steering wheel. It feels great and it looks awesome inside
3rd gen coyote factory 465hp crank correct? You Dyno 331whp. I understand drivetrain loss regarding coyote and shorter gearing in your case but, just seems you are putting down a bit more IDK
I definitely see what you mean. There’s a large discrepancy between dynos. For example, I put down 358whp on one dyno, then 337whp on a different dyno but in the same shop and in similar fall conditions with the exact same setup on the car. The new dyno was always 6% lower on all cars than the previous dyno they had. I recently made 341whp on that same dyno (after an aluminum driveshaft, different manifold, and tune revision, and yeah it doesn’t sound like a lot lol), which would’ve been just about 361whp on the previous dyno. Every dyno reads different, even if they’re the same dyno. And then stuff like air density, temperature, humidity, altitude, and a bunch of other things can also affect how much a car makes. To put it in perspective, just about every Gen 3 the shop has had would make about 400whp stock on the same dyno where I made 341whp.
That 3v is putting up a very good fight against much higher hp cars, most credit to the driver bc he killed those shifts, you don't need a coyote to win🤙
Because people like how they look. And I think they sound better than the 5.0. The Coyote is obv the better motor, it’s an amazing platform. But a 4.6 that can stick it to a 460hp car is an achievement. It shows it can be done.
Doing a burn out on all seasons or street tires is pointless. They become less grippy with heat. Should just bark them next time and run it. Good runs tho from both of you. Not being negative just in putting my 2 cents from experience
I don't think he knew how to drive it. Or their friends and he was going easy to make the mustang look good. I have an 18 ss that gaps mustangs all day. Even lame hellcats.
LOL HONESTLY THE CAMERO GOT BEAT PERIOD LOL I LAUGH AT ALL THE GUYS THAT TALK SHIT ABOUT 3 VALVE MUSTANGS LOL I HAVE A 07 SHELBY AND I LOVE THE CAR LOL IS IT THE FASTEST CAR ON THE ROAD NO LOL NOT EVEN CLOSE BUT LOL I DO HAVE A 08 GT500 THAT HAS 850HP AND I HAVE 2 SUPER SNAKES ONE IS A COUPE AND THE OTHER ONE IS A CONVERTIBLE AND IF YOU KNOW MUSTANGS YOU KNOW WHAT A SUPER SNAKE IS AND THERE ISN'T MANY CARS ON THE ROAD THAT COULD HANG WITH ME ESPECIALLY MY COUPE SUPER SNAKE.
Get some ford racing or 5.0 2011-2017 injectors and run e85 in it. I believe your stock fuel pump could work maybe without the nitrous. Also look into some 127500 comp cams. You could probably pick up another 20-30whp
on the 20mph role the 5.0 swerved onto the soft shoulder.. still didn''t spin the tires.. what was that like 75% throttle.. not even in a straight line? he let you win.
I guarantee he didn’t let me win lol. Me and my buddy had been debating this for months until we actually went out. He also stayed straight, I don’t see how you swerved into the shoulder. He was just nice enough to give the camera girl some room haha. Also you’re not going to hear him spin over the sound of my car either.
I owned a 2005 full bolt on 3v minus the cams, but it would get ass raped by my 2021 gen 3 bone stock. Best i ran on the 3v was 12.60 at 110. My gen3 ran 11.9 @ 120 bone stock but its a 10speed. Love the 3v valve though, miss it,. my 2005 gt was still my fav to date. Nice ride man! You def rocking mid 12s in that bad boy if you hook. You track it yet?
I’ve been drag racing/ autocrossing/ road racing since it was stock. Best so far has been a 12.2. I plan on going out on the 27th to set some PR’s with and without nitrous. Thanks for watching!
As an owner of a fbo cammed and 4.10 3v, and a 21 mach 1, it's not touching the 3rd gen coyote, and that zl1 should have pulled by a bus by your third gear. Who are these drivers?
I’ve raced a few fbo cammed 3v’s, supercharged 3v’s, and have yet to lose. I know a huge part is that I can drive but I also have done some weight reduction, from the interior to the drivetrain. I was even beating the whipple 3v buy a couple hundredth of a second with just a 75 shot at the strip despite him being on stickier ET drag slicks and being auto.
Here she is against a bolt on/tune 10 speed on Mickey thompson et Street R’s, back when I had 3.31 gears, stock driveline, and weighed more. ruclips.net/video/5hQ2jsGjMpQ/видео.html
I'm confused with your description, when you state the 3v mustang has 341 hp and only 300 ft lbs to the rear wheels on the Dyno. Because that car stock came with 300 hp and 320 lb ft of torque. If you measure it on the Dyno, then those numbers are to the rear wheels and they are lower than stock. So my guess would be that with the car totally stock on the Dyno it would be something like 275 hp and 298 ft lbs to the rear wheels. Obviously yours is modified, hence the 340 hp to the rear wheels (meaning it's probably around 370 hp to the crank) but why in the world would the torque number go down to so much lower than the hp number and be 20 less lb ft of torque than stock? Regardless, great video!
So every dyno reads a bit different, some read very different while others are closer to eachother. I made 361whp on a different dyno with the exact same setup to the car. That dyno always reads 6% higher than the one where I made 341whp. The reason the car makes more hp then torque is also because of the cams I have, it moves my power band towards the top end instead of the the bottom end, resulting in a low end torque loss but a lot more hp up top. If the car was completely bone stock, it would probably make around 240-250whp on the dyno where I made 341whp, and probably around 260~ish whp on the dyno where I made 361whp. To put it in perspective, on the dyno we had in the shop I used to work at, I made 337whp in the summer and just about every stock gen 1 Coyote would make just about 330-340whp which is within the factor of error, and the stock 3v’s would make around the 240whp area. On the old dyno I made 300whp with just the cams, JLT 3, pulleys, and a tune, and then after going fbo I made 358whp. So the car is easily close to around 100whp above stock.
Oh and as for torque numbers, our stock 3v’s would make about 260ish whp on our Dynojet where I was making 337whp and 307wtq (that was with the stock manifold, once I went with the Ford Racing manifold I made more top end but then lost some low end). That was in the middle of summer too. On a dyno dynamics dyno I made 358whp and 324wtq in the winter, and on a mainline I also made 337whp and 305wtq in the winter too. These numbers are all with the exact same mods, but with 3.31 gears, stock driveshaft, and stock manifold. Now (on that same mainline dyno) I made 341whp and 300wtq in the spring, this would’ve been around 361whp and around 319wtq on the Dyno Dynamics due to that 6% difference.
Here’s me racing a tuned/bolt on 10 speed on a Mickey thompson ET Street R’s back when my car weighed more, had stock gears, and had a stock driveline. ruclips.net/video/5hQ2jsGjMpQ/видео.html
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Standing in the middle of the road when 2 cars are racing each other probably isn't the best idea but good runs anyways.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes !
For the love of God get a damn tripod and stay safe. Talk about being a ding dong.
Especially 2 crowd killers
Lol how you think people flag races?
@@promodelred 😂😂😂
Here is a tip for 5.0 Mustang guy that looks to be on stock tires. Don't bother with doing a burn out before you run. You are not running slicks and actually get less traction by doing that. Maybe a quick spin to clean them off if needed, but not what you did.
Stickier tires is better than cold tires.
But il say if u on A.S. tires just gtfoh.
That girl should have never been standing in the road during that 20-mph roll race.
The 3V looks and sounds the best. The 05-09 body style is the best looking modern Mustang. They have never had the same kind of appeal since.
Great runs man! The 3V is a highly under rated platform nowadays, awesome way to represent!
That 3V did really well…very impressed! Good job!
Very impressive for a 3v The weight is definitely a big factor for you keep it up man👏🏽
A 3V is lighter than a S550😂
@@mustang8206thats what he said. I'm glad you can read
Bro she literally stood in the road inches away from crowd killers and didn't flinch... that's a tough woman
Wife material
3v with a set of cams sounds wicked. Well done
Nice stretch of road for a drag race, the fact that one can pull out in front of anyone is pretty nice.
The older style mustangs look so much better. Good runs
Yessiree !!
A well equipped S197 is by far the best looking mustang of all time in my opinion. Also has a genuine old school muscle feel to it.
Love the sound and the looks of the 3V 👌 great shifting too !
The 4.6 has always been my favorite sounding ever 🙌🏻
Man, I LOVE that car! Nice shifts too. It is literally like you executed the perfect s197 aesthetic I've always imagined for mine. That's what's up my guy
Bro thanks 🥹 This to me is the perfect stock motor N/A setup in my eyes, I’m glad I’m not the only one man thank you!
No problem dawg, you are driving the hell out of it too! You have that launch down pat haha
Those are the best shifts I’ve ever seen in a tr3650 3v. I know my old car didn’t like shifting that quick
Thanks man! I actually get lots of compliments on my shifting lol. I braided clutch line goes a long way haha
MAN I HAVE TOO SAY THE CAR LOOKS GREAT AND AS FOR THE INTERIOR LOL THE CENTER GAGE PACK THAT I HAVE IN MY 07 SUPER SNAKE WOULD LOOK AWSOME IN YOUR CAR AND I KNOW YOUR CAR ISN'T SUPERCHARGED LOL SHELBY AMERICAN SELLS THE GAGE PACK IN OIL PREASURE OIL TEMPERATURE AND FUEL PRESSURE LOL I JUST THINK IT COMPLETES THE INTERIOR OF THE CAR.
People have always underestimated the 3 v
Fact. I have one full bolt ons with novi2200 on 14psi that makes 620w on pump gas.
Good runs, miss my old 3V. Good driver mod in the 3V.
Damn good races and great video to include the POV shots! That 3V is done nice!
Your 3V is light so it def trounces both the S550 and Gen 5 ZL1 off the line as they are both BIG Girls. However, once them BIG Girls get their weight behind them, they are clearly the faster cars. The S550 is faster up top than a Gen 6 Camaro SS as Motortrend did that race over and over again in the desert with the Stang whoopin the Gen 6 each time. I’m not sure about top end with the 5.0 vs the ZL1 though. I haven’t seen a Gen 5 ZL1 race a 5.0 over triple digits. Be proud of your Stang man. She sounds amazing and can hold her own. She just don’t have the legs of the S550 up top
I have a 13 gt and at the time of the race I just had a cobra jet manifold and bolt ons vs my buddy's bolt on and pullied zl1 and I could hang for a bit but he'd pull on the top end. He's since sold the car and I'm turbo'd now but the weight of the zl1 made it "slowish" for what it was.
Nice rev limiter and very quick shifting. Nice!
3V for the win!! Where are the 3V haters at??
Very impressive, great shifting too!
Wish the mustang would of kept that old school look it looks way better than the new one in my opinion.
That's really impressive, you kept up with a gen 3 considering they make 460 hp which is like 410ish whp, & your making 361 whp which is 410-420 hp you can see it's not close power wise but 3vs have the advantage weighting in like 3400 lbs, if you can squeeze in a lil more power or reduce more weight you'd gapp a gen 3 no problem
They make 395whp stock on a dyno jet.
@@BaKeDCrAcKer mine made 423 HP and 386 torque. My dad's also made similar power at 413 hp and 380 pounds of torque (a little less cuz it's auto.) So yeah ur wrong.
@@mackassef473 sure thing boss.
All dynos read different. On a local hub dyno in town most stock gen 3’s with an auto will make 400whp. They’ll read different on every dyno, even if it’s the same dyno. There’s a lot of factors when it comes to dyno numbers. There’s no set number
3V still running strong 💪🏾
Im so proud of the 3v
ZL1 is still my favorite(dream car) but you’re definitely my favorite driver. You kicked ass bro💯
Thanks broski🙏🏼
Don't give up on that dream dude, buy a zl1 . It was well worth dreaming about.
Gosh she’s brave lol. Don’t ever do that again, cars are unpredictable and I’d hate for anyone to get hurt. Great runs tho 🤙🏾
Yep, that’d be a really tough one to explain to mom and dad, haha
@@johncrazyboy3250 lol
My bolted up 3valve with 4.10s was also a monster. I did not fear these newer cars AT ALL!
I'm having GREMLINS in the 2011 coyote I bought with 92,000 original un modded miles. I'm seriously thinking of selling and building another 3valve. Who the hell wants max torque at 4000 rpms? I wan't it ON DEMAND!
That was some good races. 4.6 holding up
Standing in the road real smart
Great runs straight to the point !!
Very nice launches in the 4.6 my dooood.
That 3V sounds good 👍
If the 21 was a 10 speed these races would be very different.
It is a 10 spd lol
@@johntorres2362 It says it's a 21 track pack with a manual transmission at the beginning of the video.
@@abadi527 but it's not a 10 speed, so your "if" argument is stupid.
Honestly it wouldn’t be much different. If anything the 3v should be farther ahead off the line. The 10 speeds aren’t good off the line
@@_slow_4.6l_ Right, thats why bone stock 2018's with 10speeds were capable of running 11.9 on the stock MPS4S full weight and full exhaust and an e85 tune pushed that closer to the 10's. The difference between 3rd gen coyotes that are 6 speed and 10 speed is a pretty big difference.
Nicely done. Great filming, great view and cool cars.
Nice! Imagine 4.09 gears on the 2021💪. I have the exact same 2021, I love it. Just basic bolt ons on e85. I’m gonna be on 4.09 gears very soon.
Doesn't need them. The only issue with the 21 mustang in this video is the tires it was running on. Couldn't get as good of a launch. It would do worse with 4.10 gears by the way without the proper tire. Not only that but 4.10s are great for long geared cars which the last gen mustangs aren't long geared for anything higher than a 3.73 to make great use.
4.09 gears is just gonna make you fall on your face at 60 when you shift into third lol
Good driver !!! Dude is rowing through those gears definitely goals !!!!!
That 3v is badass
I have a fully built 1997 that makes 330 rwhp and the look in the new 5.0 faces when I’m beside them is always priceless. Good runs guys
What...til the 5.0 gets traction? Then your doors are blown off? LMMFAO
@@bricebarefoot3437 … ya no I usually end up a couple car lengths ahead. Power to weight young buck.. I’m over a 1000 pounds lighter than the new mustangs
@@BMGYGK77 You're definitely not 1000lbs lighter lol. No way a 330rwhp is beating a gen 3 10spd. I owned many stangs including a 97 gt and a 01 procharged making 430rwhp 418lbs torque None would beat a gen 3 stock...
@@TB-vb3ov really? A base model GT that’s been gutted that literally weights 3057 pounds with me in it. I have a weigh scale at work and weigh it often.
I also never specified what year, make and model for a “new mustang” It’s guys like you that ruin a fun thread.
You never seen my car, have no idea what it has other than I mention my dyno numbers and YOUR telling me I don’t weight 1000 less then a new mustang. Get out of here man. I ran a manual 2012 Vert GT yesterday and spanked him. Get out of here with your dick measuring contest you are clearly losing at. We’re having fun over here, talking about cars
2012 curb weight is 3720.. add a 200 pound man that’s 3920.
Now time for basic math. 3920-3057 is 863 difference. And I never run a full tank a fuel.
They dyno at about 375 rwhp I’m at 330 .. basic sciences at this point. I win all day long bro
@@BMGYGK77 Sorry, young buck. You're about ~400lbs lighter unless you're completely gutted. The only new 5.0 faces you're seeing are laughing at you.
It would been so cool to see a race where u were getting passed and THEN hit the nitrous and blow back by him
Badass 3v man how many miles does your 3v have?
If I’m not mistaken, it’s over 100k
Thanks! At the time of the video it had 148k miles
I recognize these roads, I’ve been on them, can’t remember exactly where they are while I was in Mexico
That thing is Rollin! I expected you to be lunch! Even with the passenger to compensate for your weight advantage! But, you've got that launch mastered!
That old Mustang sounded great. Folks ease up. No one on the video said the 5.0 was inferior to the fox. Geesh.
Everyone says that 3v is slow. Well idk but if they are slow yours must be possessed by a car god cause your s197 3v runs like a top. Great video it shows that our cars aren’t irrelevant in today’s car craze
4.6 is a amazing motor
Solid runs, good driving
Didn’t expect to see you here Andrew haha
@@Gen1Demmi 😂
That 3v looks beautiful..
The boii foshoo knows how to prefect shift
I have a fbo cammed 3v 4.10 gears and a 150 shot. My buddy has a fbo on e85 gen 3 10spd. We did a 50 to 130 roll. I had him by a fender till I had to shift then he got out on me by half a car and I couldn’t get back around him. He’s also got a 75 shot but wasn’t using it. Kind of my daughters channel but I have the video posted. Ran my other buddy with a stock 12 gt manual and with out the bottle we were side by side till 3rd and I finally started to pull on him ended up getting him by about a car maybe a little more
wheres the link to the video?
& if u probably had some gears built for the highway u probably would have won
@@antoniobowen2625 just click on my name and go to my home page to videos you will see it. Only video on there beside my daughter lol
Liked and subbed brotha
It’s the tune that makes the difference
good shifting bro!
Amazing that the 3v pulls harder out of the hole. I have a 3v that I daily drive. A 5.0 wanted to race me on the highway. Nope, but if he wanted to race my 427R built to 800+ hp he would have been embarrassed 😳. Every one knows that a 4.6 in stock form is no match for a 5.0 . If ididnt build a 4.6 3v earlier than the coyote. I've would have been right there. The coyote engine is the best platform of all the big 3 to build for power.
@@DnRprodxIL I think you need to reread what he said..
@@DnRprodxIL but he didn’t say anything about a supercharged, fbo etc etc… he saying if he had his other car he would have beaten the stock 5.0… nothing more nothing less.
YAH THE COYOTE IS A BADASS MOTOR BUT YOU CAN'T FORGET ABOUT MY 5.4 IN MY 2 SUPERSNAKES AND MY 08 GT500 THAT MAKE A LOT OF POWER BUT IF IAM COMPLETELY HONEST THE 4.6 IN MY 04 COBRA IS PROBABLY THE STRONGEST FORD MOTOR BUILT IN THE MODERN ERA.
@@DnRprodxIL Maybe "you" all should stick to racing stock cars as it appears that many can't drive modified worth a darn and barely handle it when stock!! FBO this, Supercharger/Turbo that, E85, etc..etc and whatever other jargon you want to use sounds good until you're asked "do you wanna run" or "where is your car". Suddenly it's "oh, my buddy's car this/that" or best one.. "I'll run you when I get my car back from the shop and I should be pushing xxxHP!! So don't act like "stock" cars aren't exciting just because you can't handle them!!
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Maybe I’m crazy but am i hearing that that 3v clutch slip on the 1-2 shift 🤔🤔idk maybe it’s jus me either way damm good runs 3v held it down 🤘🏽🤘🏽
I heard that too
Late reply lol but that’s just the tires spinning haha
Wowow that thing keeps up!!
Back story. I was spinning on EVERY PULL. 1st and 2nd were useless 😫
Still kicking some ass. You drove the hell out of that Coyote
Sounds like my friend with the fbo GTO i beat hahahhaa. All the sudden after all the talk..haha. thise were close ass races. I cant believe the 5.0 didnt pull harder up top. Lil 3v puttin in work :) if that had been a 10spd it would have been a very different story but it was neat to see stick vs stick.
@@hechtspeed we’re gonna run again now that he has brand new tires. I’ve raced a FBO 10 speed on a drag tires in another video and got pretty waxed haha. That was before the gears and nitrous tho
Good video. Facts listed well. Went how I would expect. 4.10s got the old gt better off the line. Im clear of the other mods. 5.0 better top end. Hopefully you bought the old gt before all the used car price hikes. And did the work yourself. Can be a great bargain with that combo. New 5.0 probably 50k these days.
That’s right, bought it for 10k with low miles back in 2018 and everything has been installed by me.
@@christianreyes368I think we are kinda on the same page. I have a cammed new edge gt. Also wired for nos. 307 rwhp n/a and 413 rwhp on nos
3v did good na and better nitro. Good runs
How does the 3V does so well against a Coyote when the latter has so much more hp and torque? Pretty new to cars here
It’s lighter, and this guy has a much better gear ratio than a stock 3v to go along with all the bolt ons/cams he installed. He also had a much better tire
Driver mod added 100horses for sure
Manual trans on Gen 3 yote's are way slower then the 10R80s and whats crazy is the manual transmission ones are still pretty quick.
I have a video where I raced a 10 speed 2018 GT also. Take a peek at my channel if you’d like to see it!
Half second and 3 mph. Decent difference but I wouldn't call that "way slower". I'm assuming a good driver in the stick car with my quotes. Many people can't drive for shit so there is a much bigger gap in alot of cases. People don't realize with a manual the driver really makes a huge difference so you can't just put all manual cars in the same basket like they run x times or whatever.
I heard the MT82 is notorious for locking people out which is why everyone buys the 10 speed also
@@whyareyoureadingmyname5854 people get locked out because the clutch sux. The Trans gets blamed when it's the clutch.
I did a t56 swap on my 2020 GT now I’m fbo e85 ported mani and I beat 10spd’s
She is standing while the car was roll Racing was scary lmao she crazy of a real one lol
Very nice 3v!
3V is the best looking retro modern Mustang
Crucial things not mentioned, driver experience and tire. It’s clear the 5.0 was at a disadvantage with both. Good tire and experienced driver and the 3v would have seen nothing but tail every race.
Even from a roll we were still fairly even. That in itself should prove enough. Also I know he can drive that car great, we both autocross and have done road racing events together and he rocks. Since there’s so much doubt tho and he did just get fresh tires ig I’ll have to prove everyone wrong again.
@@christianreyes368 it’s not about how old or new the tires are, but the compound they are made of.
@@midwestsbest2 I know that. He was on some 200 tread wear tires in the video, however they were almost done for. After all the races and burnouts he needed a new set lol. I’m on some 320 tread wear nittos. I usually take my 28” Mickey Thompson radials on when I’m gonna go drag racing but I wanted the race to be as realistic as it could be. With the nitrous plate on I also lose around 10whp and 10ths of torque on the dyno if I don’t spray but it doesn’t make too much of a difference on the street.
@@christianreyes368 Your car rocks bro, don't even fret my man, your car reminds me so much of my 2005 Mustang GT back in 2008, exactly like yours but I was lowered a Inch or so more with 17inch 315 cobra wheels with 4:30 gears. FBO, but I wasn't cammed.
VP 93 Race Tune, 110mm JLT CAI, Ford Racing Intake manifold, LTH, O/R X pipe, SLP Loudmouths, MGW shifter, 1 piece driveshaft 315, 4:30 gears, I've launch a 12 GT500 out of the hole one occasion, was a night to remember lol.
People are always going to rant and rave about the newest thing, its natural, but people forget that very new thing eventually becomes old and something new comes along and so on , so forth.
Heck when the new 5.0s came out in 2011, it was like my 05 GT was irrelevant lol, but didn't bother me cause I like cars that you stop seeing less and less, makes it stand out more. I since sold that 05 back in 2014 and pick up a 2012 5.0 a few years later and added a few goodies to it.
but even with my 12, being newer and faster all around, I still to this day miss my 05 GT, that was my OG car lol.
@@jasonblue8832 I feel you man. It’s awesome to have an older car like that. I have quite a bit of sentiment attachment to this one too since it’s not only my first car, but my only car and it has been for 4 years now.
We all know the 5.0 Coyote is stronger than my beautiful sounding 3 valve 4.6, but Christian can drive like a MF and made the 4.6 a serious threat without the NOS. Just damn good driving won here.
361 whp for the 3v is still around 400 on flywheel, the 5.0 is 460 hp on flywheel. 3v easier to build.
Thought you were gonna yell MONICAAAA at 2:47 lol
the 5.0 isn't even barking the tires.. he let you win brah.
Sounds good that's for sure
Not bad, feel like the nitrous runs were pointless. What did you honestly expect to happen?
Gains of 37whp from stock with 127500 cams being the biggest cam you can run with the stock heads and probably another 10hp over a 91 tune with e85
I have BBR Stage 1’s rn, I plan on doing 127600’s later on. I don’t expect more than maybe 20whp over what I already have tho with these cams.
LOOKS WISE THE 3 VALVE HANDS DOWN.
What cams are running in your 4.6 3 valve engine? I noticed the tuner, what other mods do you have? I’m working on my 07 GT convertible.
I have another video where I explain just about everything I’ve done to the car. Here’s the link! ruclips.net/video/B_ZIBbVrMG8/видео.html
@@christianreyes368 Thanks, I'll check it out.
I watch when I get home from work. I have a 2007 GT/CS Convertible, it's a daily driver, but I've already done a lot of mod's to it, CAMS, Headers, Clutch, light weight flywheel, clutch line, shifter, ford racing CAI, Ford performance one piece drive shaft, cat's deleted, and more thing, that's just what come to mind. I wanted a coupe and still do, but every one I found had an automatic in it and I want a 5 speed manual.
I'm Very impressed
Great car. Is that the 2013 GT500 wheel available on eBay? If it is then how was the install? Looking at putting one on after cams
I got the Shelby steering wheel from LMR. Bolts right up but you have to splice the wires to make cruise control work because it is at plug and play. Thanks for watching!!!
@@christianreyes368 awesome dude. Did you get it hooked up to your new radio? Also how does the alcantara feel for daily use?
Again, great video and very educational
@@captaincobra4578 thanks dude! And I didn’t hook it up to the head unit because I need an adapter for it and I’ve just been to lazy to do it. But I like the steering wheel. It feels great and it looks awesome inside
3rd gen coyote factory 465hp crank correct? You Dyno 331whp. I understand drivetrain loss regarding coyote and shorter gearing in your case but, just seems you are putting down a bit more IDK
I definitely see what you mean. There’s a large discrepancy between dynos. For example, I put down 358whp on one dyno, then 337whp on a different dyno but in the same shop and in similar fall conditions with the exact same setup on the car. The new dyno was always 6% lower on all cars than the previous dyno they had. I recently made 341whp on that same dyno (after an aluminum driveshaft, different manifold, and tune revision, and yeah it doesn’t sound like a lot lol), which would’ve been just about 361whp on the previous dyno. Every dyno reads different, even if they’re the same dyno. And then stuff like air density, temperature, humidity, altitude, and a bunch of other things can also affect how much a car makes. To put it in perspective, just about every Gen 3 the shop has had would make about 400whp stock on the same dyno where I made 341whp.
@@christianreyes368 I guess you putting the numbers in front of me like this, seems about right now 👍 Dyno reading could be corrected vs uncorrected?
It's beyond me why anybody would want a old three valve when the Gen 3 mustangs are so awesome
Bc they are very affordable, not every one has 40-50k for a gen 3
I don’t wanna hate or anything but damn they Fr praising the built 3v for beating a stock 5.0 😂
That 3v is putting up a very good fight against much higher hp cars, most credit to the driver bc he killed those shifts, you don't need a coyote to win🤙
@@garrettmcmillion3672 yes but I’m talking about the engine for example mod for mod the coyote would be killer 🤷🏽♂️
Because people like how they look. And I think they sound better than the 5.0. The Coyote is obv the better motor, it’s an amazing platform. But a 4.6 that can stick it to a 460hp car is an achievement. It shows it can be done.
Doing a burn out on all seasons or street tires is pointless. They become less grippy with heat. Should just bark them next time and run it. Good runs tho from both of you.
Not being negative just in putting my 2 cents from experience
That has to be the slowest zl1 I've ever seen. Lmfao. Good running 3v!
I don't think he knew how to drive it. Or their friends and he was going easy to make the mustang look good. I have an 18 ss that gaps mustangs all day. Even lame hellcats.
LOL HONESTLY THE CAMERO GOT BEAT PERIOD LOL I LAUGH AT ALL THE GUYS THAT TALK SHIT ABOUT 3 VALVE MUSTANGS LOL I HAVE A 07 SHELBY AND I LOVE THE CAR LOL IS IT THE FASTEST CAR ON THE ROAD NO LOL NOT EVEN CLOSE BUT LOL I DO HAVE A 08 GT500 THAT HAS 850HP AND I HAVE 2 SUPER SNAKES ONE IS A COUPE AND THE OTHER ONE IS A CONVERTIBLE AND IF YOU KNOW MUSTANGS YOU KNOW WHAT A SUPER SNAKE IS AND THERE ISN'T MANY CARS ON THE ROAD THAT COULD HANG WITH ME ESPECIALLY MY COUPE SUPER SNAKE.
I have a 3V and going to install some bolt ons.
Definitely shifting the hell out of it
With nitro he didn’t stand a chance good races
Get some ford racing or 5.0 2011-2017 injectors and run e85 in it. I believe your stock fuel pump could work maybe without the nitrous. Also look into some 127500 comp cams. You could probably pick up another 20-30whp
Going to do 47lb injectors, recently did an Aeromotive pump to keep up with the larger nitrous shots. Also gonna do 127600’s lol
What stereo system do you have in that car? Does it have Apple CarPlay and a rear view camera, if so please let me know where I can find one
It’s the iLX-W650. It does have Apple CarPlay and android auto. I didn’t install a backup camera tho
@@christianreyes368 okay thank you!
on the 20mph role the 5.0 swerved onto the soft shoulder.. still didn''t spin the tires.. what was that like 75% throttle.. not even in a straight line? he let you win.
I guarantee he didn’t let me win lol. Me and my buddy had been debating this for months until we actually went out. He also stayed straight, I don’t see how you swerved into the shoulder. He was just nice enough to give the camera girl some room haha. Also you’re not going to hear him spin over the sound of my car either.
I owned a 2005 full bolt on 3v minus the cams, but it would get ass raped by my 2021 gen 3 bone stock. Best i ran on the 3v was 12.60 at 110. My gen3 ran 11.9 @ 120 bone stock but its a 10speed. Love the 3v valve though, miss it,. my 2005 gt was still my fav to date. Nice ride man! You def rocking mid 12s in that bad boy if you hook. You track it yet?
I’ve been drag racing/ autocrossing/ road racing since it was stock. Best so far has been a 12.2. I plan on going out on the 27th to set some PR’s with and without nitrous. Thanks for watching!
As an owner of a fbo cammed and 4.10 3v, and a 21 mach 1, it's not touching the 3rd gen coyote, and that zl1 should have pulled by a bus by your third gear. Who are these drivers?
I’ve raced a few fbo cammed 3v’s, supercharged 3v’s, and have yet to lose. I know a huge part is that I can drive but I also have done some weight reduction, from the interior to the drivetrain. I was even beating the whipple 3v buy a couple hundredth of a second with just a 75 shot at the strip despite him being on stickier ET drag slicks and being auto.
What rpm you shifting at with the cams?
What are those wheels? They look clean!
Thanks man! They’re a set of Avid.1 AV06 wheels in Hyperblack, they’re 18x9.5 all around with a 275/40 Nitto Nt555 G2!
Hi, if you dont mind me asking, what cams are you running?
BBR Stage 1 cams!
Now let’s see her up against a 10 speed 👀
Here she is against a bolt on/tune 10 speed on Mickey thompson et Street R’s, back when I had 3.31 gears, stock driveline, and weighed more.
ruclips.net/video/5hQ2jsGjMpQ/видео.html
A 10 speed GT would have gapped it pretty good still very impressive for a three valve
A pp1 mt82 car would have done better too. 3.73s with a torsen
@@White_Fox_5.0 oh definitely
Looks like my 2007 gt 5 speed same setup or close
Gen 3 coyote needs a driver mod 🤷♂️
Hey. Whats ur pov driving camera setup?
It’s a GoPro Hero 7 Black🙏🏼
I'm confused with your description, when you state the 3v mustang has 341 hp and only 300 ft lbs to the rear wheels on the Dyno. Because that car stock came with 300 hp and 320 lb ft of torque. If you measure it on the Dyno, then those numbers are to the rear wheels and they are lower than stock. So my guess would be that with the car totally stock on the Dyno it would be something like 275 hp and 298 ft lbs to the rear wheels. Obviously yours is modified, hence the 340 hp to the rear wheels (meaning it's probably around 370 hp to the crank) but why in the world would the torque number go down to so much lower than the hp number and be 20 less lb ft of torque than stock? Regardless, great video!
So every dyno reads a bit different, some read very different while others are closer to eachother. I made 361whp on a different dyno with the exact same setup to the car. That dyno always reads 6% higher than the one where I made 341whp. The reason the car makes more hp then torque is also because of the cams I have, it moves my power band towards the top end instead of the the bottom end, resulting in a low end torque loss but a lot more hp up top. If the car was completely bone stock, it would probably make around 240-250whp on the dyno where I made 341whp, and probably around 260~ish whp on the dyno where I made 361whp. To put it in perspective, on the dyno we had in the shop I used to work at, I made 337whp in the summer and just about every stock gen 1 Coyote would make just about 330-340whp which is within the factor of error, and the stock 3v’s would make around the 240whp area. On the old dyno I made 300whp with just the cams, JLT 3, pulleys, and a tune, and then after going fbo I made 358whp. So the car is easily close to around 100whp above stock.
Oh and as for torque numbers, our stock 3v’s would make about 260ish whp on our Dynojet where I was making 337whp and 307wtq (that was with the stock manifold, once I went with the Ford Racing manifold I made more top end but then lost some low end). That was in the middle of summer too. On a dyno dynamics dyno I made 358whp and 324wtq in the winter, and on a mainline I also made 337whp and 305wtq in the winter too. These numbers are all with the exact same mods, but with 3.31 gears, stock driveshaft, and stock manifold. Now (on that same mainline dyno) I made 341whp and 300wtq in the spring, this would’ve been around 361whp and around 319wtq on the Dyno Dynamics due to that 6% difference.
Race a 10 speed next I wanna see how it goes
Here’s me racing a tuned/bolt on 10 speed on a Mickey thompson ET Street R’s back when my car weighed more, had stock gears, and had a stock driveline.
ruclips.net/video/5hQ2jsGjMpQ/видео.html
Will lose too to a 3V sorry
@Jaime Acosta idk it would be close
@@gorgeusjames 10 speed seemed to won even tho it was close
Damn bro you can fucking shift 😂 nice job
Thanks bro! You should’ve seen my driving at the drag strip last night testing out my 75 shot😳 Everyone was pretty shook
@@christianreyes368 what were your times