The Battle for Long Island was a complete disaster for Washington! Luckily himself and most of his forces escaped in the darkness of the night to Manhattan.
This movie was highly underrated. But, the fact that the American Revolution seems like a hopeless cause for the colonials for the majority of the film makes it far more realistic, especially the way they musically score the battle losses.
Revolution should have done much better than it did when it was released. It was roundly panned and pulled from theaters after only 3 weeks. The studio lost tens of millions on it. However, I think it's a very underrated film. Maybe ahead of it's time.
Are you kidding, it looks like a TV movie with how drab the colors are. Even the 1970 Waterloo movie and far more vibrant colors in it so that you could actually see the battlefield and soldiers.
Still better than Patriot. We've never seen a truly proper American Revolution film sadly. That being said the 1970 Waterloo movie did have a near limitless budget and the support of the "Red Army" to make up dirt cheap extras for the massive battle scenes. Something no other film of it's type likely will ever see. Gettysburg came close but only because of dedicated reenactors volunteering their time and equipment, even then it couldn't meet the same scale as Waterloo. That being said Revolution is also a victim of the time as well the late 1970s and early 80s were filled with dark gritty films. Left overs from the "REALISM" craze of the time that many Hollywood Chairs demanded.
I liked this movie~ The musical score was hauntingly familiar, and it bugged me for a time. I found out it was almost the same score as the Kurosawa film "RAN", exactly the same~
I understand this movie, and damn sure shed a tear at the last scene, where Tom says goodbye to his son, and the movie sas melody starts to play. At this moment i understand what this movie was supposed to be. Al Pacino whispering throughout the movie is not that different from his other movies. He wasnt miscast. But somebody messed up, not finishing the movie at the editing table, and forgetting to use or even film some scenes. For example Daisy and Tom chemistry shows up out of nowhere, and she wants to marry him. It is like they missed their first few conversations... or was he just that handsome? So i get the movie. It’s like Mel Gibson’s Patriot if it were filmed in 1985 and someone fcked up the direction and editing.... i m sure Ronald Emmerich stole a lot of things from this one. And i love the Patriot. I love how menacing they showed the British to be at the opening New York battles. They did not explain how the Continental army managed to turn the tables around, but then again, it doesnt have to. This movie is from the perspective of Tom Dobb. And he found a new energy for war after saving his son, now all in, to beat the enemy and liberate their country. This movie is not as bad as they say it is, far from it. But it in reality is a bunch of scenes thrown together... I can see Pacino’s struggle as a father, trying to keep his son alive and safe. Donald Sutherland character is a good smug British and the other posh Englishman is just a complete douche. Watch it. Not many movies about the Revolution exist. It is a hard area to tackle.
And the rebels were "terrorists" and "insurgents". As in Afghanistan, they lost battles, but eventually won the war. The USA is absolutely no different
Me & my brother, Colin were both extras in this film, & worked during filming in King's Lynn & Ely. We met Donald Sutherland, Robbie Coltrane, & Paul Brooke while in KL. We tried to speak to Al Pacino & Nastassia Kinski, but their minders kept them well away from the 'little people'! They both turned up, did their bit, then pissed off again, proving that film 'stars' are so much different to 'actors'. Donald Sutherland, however, walked about talking to everyone, signing autographs, taking photos, & even going off on his own for a stroll around the town centre shopping area.......in full Sergeant-Major costume! 😲 My biggest surprise was Annie Lennox, who played a Revolutionary 'rabble-rouser', very early in the movie. I was a fan of The Eurythmics in the 80's, & had always thought she was quite a tall imposing figure, as she had such a big personality........then I saw her in the flesh, & she's soooo tiny, only around 5'2"!! 😲 Anyway, she still looked great in that long red wig! 😍 And the film? It's garbage! Don't waste any money on it! I was an extra, I got paid £25 per day, plus meals, so at least I was busy for a few months between real jobs, & it was a fun experience, & one I'd do again, in a heartbeat...........but it ain't art!! 🤣🤣
I was an extra on Revolution, & while filming in Ely, they asked for volunteers who could sing, as they wanted a couple of versions of 'Hearts of oak' for the soundtrack, each version representing the opposing sides.......who actually DID have their own versions of the song! Our instructor/conductor, for the day? The great Harry Rabinowitz!! 😲😲😲 I couldn't believe it, the guy's a legend in film music!!
Sure have! Volunteers for the initial assault on a fortification - chance of success or even survival extremely small but instant promotion to those who succeed. They appeared twice I think in the Sharpe TV series - once during the Spanish peninsular setting and again when Sharpe was sent to India - not a happy ending for either!
It was originally a Dutch term, coming from "Verloren Hoop" which literally translates to "Lost Troop." Anyway, like you said it was a suicide squad basically. The fact it was a Dutch phrase originally was because during the second half of the 17th century, Dutch military was one of the dominant factors on the European battlefield.
Many thanks for that Audie, I never knew it came from the Dutch! I suppose when William of Orange came to the British throne he would have brought quite a few aspects of his Dutch heritage with him which were then incorporated into British military tradition. We were both much better as allies than rivals, but please, no more pleasure cruises up the Medway if you please!
Both sides opened fire at too great a distance. The Brits would never do that, 50 yards and closer, more like 30. From what I've read most shots went high, the British were taught to aim knee high.
As a Brit, l don't consider it too bad, plus he is a Canadian, so it's a little closer to our accent than American English. Also, l think l would struggle to understand my 18th century ancestors' accents, if we ever met. 😊
This was a civil war between British subjects. You can dress it up as anything you want but is was still a civil war. The British public thought the same and were against blue on blue war. Remember Britain had endured a similar war a century earlier with families divided and terrible atrocities committed on both sides. This is a trademark of every civil war in history. It was a pointless war created by greedy, colonial merchants and landowners who did not want to pay for the British troops protecting them from the French and their native American allies. The ordinary colonials payed less taxes, even with the stamp act, then their British kin. The leaders conned them with the no taxation without representation bullshit. The simple truth was this, ordinary people on either side of the pond had little or no representation due the limited franchise on voting. Something that the British have since removed but still exists in America, where even in 2020-21, state legislatures are legally able to deny or hinder certain ethnic or class groups from voting and full participation in the democratic process. Some victory.
@@ricoh633 Well, he done goofed. That is not what poising looks like, poise muskets isn't even a battlefield command. Well, it's not really a command at all, he should've said firelocks The more outrageous thing for me though is when he orders to "make ready". And then the men present. That's just stupid.
Hollywood made a movie about the formation of the country, show it American audiences in the 1980's, in the middle of the Reagan era and one of the most "f-yeah America!" patriotic periods in recent memory...and made the big battle scene about Americans getting their asses kicked by foreigners, running away, and literally getting herded like sheep at bayonet-point, all to sad "we lost" music. Yeah, I have no idea why this movie tanked.
Actually it's spot on for the period! This version is called "Ye British Grenadiers" and dates from around the time of Charles the Second. This tune evolved over the years into the modern version heard in military parades "THE British Grenadier"
infinitecanadian You're right there. The only major losses the British suffered were 1) Saratoga 2) Yorktown. Both resulted in the capture of an entire British army which is a bit of an ouchie when you're trying to win a war. The Americans also had a key advantage. The British had to win. The Americans had to not lose.
the only key battle was the last. the British won most battle even though outnumbered and against multiple enemies on multiple fronts, lets not forget a large proportion of british troops died from disease
I liked this movie the revolutionaries were small armies of militia thrown together with minute men who were farmers and left homes in minutes to a rally point and I'm sorry if you think everyone should be standing tall and straight but would never happen as for the gun it may have been left behind close by and lucky to have it the drums well they were also used an adrenaline rush as to show something is about to happen as for their speech well don't forget most were illiterate hence the d
And the declaration of independence has a line missing at the end as they knew they weren't perfect and line is used today in government as the patriot Act so unless you were There in 1776 lighten up war is never perfect and neither were the people who fought them or led them
not sure back in that period what the commands were.all i have to go on is my own experiance i left the infantry in 1993 and vaigly remember that make ready was cock and aim or it was range safety catch cock aim but of course the weapons are completely different.Oh and the command was only used on the ranges unless in an ambush. I may be completely wrong it was a long time ago.
I like Al pacino. He's one of my favorites.Though sometimes, I'm also wondering why he was choosen for that character despite of being an american italian actor. Well it's ok.
The only thing why it's underrated is just because the commandments are mistakenly directed if you want to know, watch Brandon F. "How not to volley in Revolution"
i'm pretty sure it's more to do with the film's genre, setting and generally the average movie viewer's demand at the time the film was released that made the film "underwhelming".
Unfairly maligned film. The focus was meant to be on the individuals caught up in the conflict, not epic battles. Revolution accomplishes that pretty well, it just didn’t meet the mark on establishing the relationship between Tom & Daisy.
Despite its inaccuracies, this scene is still incredibly authentic.
The Battle for Long Island was a complete disaster for Washington! Luckily himself and most of his forces escaped in the darkness of the night to Manhattan.
Look up the word oxymoron.
This movie was highly underrated. But, the fact that the American Revolution seems like a hopeless cause for the colonials for the majority of the film makes it far more realistic, especially the way they musically score the battle losses.
gr8 score, aye
No this movie was highly awful
The line battles aren't really accurate in this movie but this movie is so much better than the Patriot regarding realism.
@Kidron Bennett wrong
@Kidron Bennett if you mean by action and drama maybe so, however it doesn't necessarily respect the history it's portraying.
Revolution should have done much better than it did when it was released. It was roundly panned and pulled from theaters after only 3 weeks. The studio lost tens of millions on it. However, I think it's a very underrated film. Maybe ahead of it's time.
Are you kidding, it looks like a TV movie with how drab the colors are. Even the 1970 Waterloo movie and far more vibrant colors in it so that you could actually see the battlefield and soldiers.
Still better than Patriot. We've never seen a truly proper American Revolution film sadly. That being said the 1970 Waterloo movie did have a near limitless budget and the support of the "Red Army" to make up dirt cheap extras for the massive battle scenes. Something no other film of it's type likely will ever see. Gettysburg came close but only because of dedicated reenactors volunteering their time and equipment, even then it couldn't meet the same scale as Waterloo. That being said Revolution is also a victim of the time as well the late 1970s and early 80s were filled with dark gritty films. Left overs from the "REALISM" craze of the time that many Hollywood Chairs demanded.
It's a B movie. Back in the 90s if it was on cable I would watch it. Just something about it
Nah, the movie sucked.
I agree. Its well-written and directed. American movie-goers were too shallow for this story.
I liked this movie~ The musical score was hauntingly familiar, and it bugged me for a time. I found out it was almost the same score as the Kurosawa film "RAN", exactly the same~
This is exactly what happened to Patriots throughout 1776 in the epic battle for Manhattan.
ya the new york campaign was particularly brutal for the americans
Technically, the patriots were those who fought for the crown.
I didn't know you were there. Interesting
Since the Hessians played a prominent role in the New York campaign of 1776, why do you think they weren't included in the film?
Probably due to budget constraints. I mean they probably had to spend a fortune just to get Al in there.
Think of this everytime I play empire total war
Same dude.
I understand this movie, and damn sure shed a tear at the last scene, where Tom says goodbye to his son, and the movie sas melody starts to play. At this moment i understand what this movie was supposed to be.
Al Pacino whispering throughout the movie is not that different from his other movies. He wasnt miscast. But somebody messed up, not finishing the movie at the editing table, and forgetting to use or even film some scenes. For example Daisy and Tom chemistry shows up out of nowhere, and she wants to marry him. It is like they missed their first few conversations... or was he just that handsome?
So i get the movie. It’s like Mel Gibson’s Patriot if it were filmed in 1985 and someone fcked up the direction and editing.... i m sure Ronald Emmerich stole a lot of things from this one. And i love the Patriot.
I love how menacing they showed the British to be at the opening New York battles. They did not explain how the Continental army managed to turn the tables around, but then again, it doesnt have to. This movie is from the perspective of Tom Dobb. And he found a new energy for war after saving his son, now all in, to beat the enemy and liberate their country.
This movie is not as bad as they say it is, far from it. But it in reality is a bunch of scenes thrown together... I can see Pacino’s struggle as a father, trying to keep his son alive and safe. Donald Sutherland character is a good smug British and the other posh Englishman is just a complete douche.
Watch it. Not many movies about the Revolution exist. It is a hard area to tackle.
British Loyalists should be called Patriots as well.
Fighting for their King and Country
aye.
And the rebels were "terrorists" and "insurgents". As in Afghanistan, they lost battles, but eventually won the war. The USA is absolutely no different
They're called Canadians now
1:45 The British Grenadiers
looks like an awesome movie
ya its pretty good
Kinda meh imo
I was in this movie and it was beset with problems throughout the filming. Donald Sutherland was a great guy and Annie Lennox was a Party Animal.
What role did you have?
@@007woodruff77 Statistically, either none and he's just trying to trick people, or he was an extra.
Me & my brother, Colin were both extras in this film, & worked during filming in King's Lynn & Ely.
We met Donald Sutherland, Robbie Coltrane, & Paul Brooke while in KL. We tried to speak to Al Pacino & Nastassia Kinski, but their minders kept them well away from the 'little people'!
They both turned up, did their bit, then pissed off again, proving that film 'stars' are so much different to 'actors'.
Donald Sutherland, however, walked about talking to everyone, signing autographs, taking photos, & even going off on his own for a stroll around the town centre shopping area.......in full Sergeant-Major costume! 😲
My biggest surprise was Annie Lennox, who played a Revolutionary 'rabble-rouser', very early in the movie.
I was a fan of The Eurythmics in the 80's, & had always thought she was quite a tall imposing figure, as she had such a big personality........then I saw her in the flesh, & she's soooo tiny, only around 5'2"!! 😲
Anyway, she still looked great in that long red wig! 😍
And the film?
It's garbage! Don't waste any money on it!
I was an extra, I got paid £25 per day, plus meals, so at least I was busy for a few months between real jobs, & it was a fun experience, & one I'd do again, in a heartbeat...........but it ain't art!! 🤣🤣
@@jamespasifull3424 its a good film but
@@jamespasifull3424 Ricky butcher Eastenders (Sid Owen) played Al Pacino’s son in the movie. My sister was also an extra.
I don't get why this movie got shat on.... it's awesome. Critics aren't always right...
Too realistic,the British aren’t shown as total dim-wits,which is usually the case.
Is that Sutherland barking the orders? Good strong voice haha!
Holy shit the music makes it awsome
I was an extra on Revolution, & while filming in Ely, they asked for volunteers who could sing, as they wanted a couple of versions of 'Hearts of oak' for the soundtrack, each version representing the opposing sides.......who actually DID have their own versions of the song!
Our instructor/conductor, for the day?
The great Harry Rabinowitz!! 😲😲😲
I couldn't believe it, the guy's a legend in film music!!
@@jamespasifull3424 That's neat. What was it like to be in the movie?
Visible trap door Springfield at 1:23 -le sigh-
Make America a Colony Again
Donald Sutherland is creepy in this movie
Why?
Pacino remembered that Sutherland made up his own orders to shout!
I want the biggest mole in the bloody world!
line battles must have been horrific. one could only imagine the terror they all must've felt lining up and praying a bullet didn't hit you.
Musket balls arnt bullets
They say that time war is fought with dignity and fairness. They do war like a duel. The one side fires, the other one responds, then again
@@Bountyhopper still do damage n deadly enuff
@@algerdegula9448 I'd hardly call linear warfare dignified and fair
@@Bountyhopper Musket balls are considered bullets by many.
This movie was one big fever dream
Imagine training your whole life to the utmost of discipline in line just to be shot in one of the first volleys.
Training was only 2 years
I see that one sergeant carrying a spitoon. ???? Spontoon. Yes a Spontoon.
Epic,
The Battle of Dartmoor lol.
I prefer to see this Movie rather than The Patriot! That Movie is so inaccurate with Everything!
So is this movie though.
compared the 2 this is much more accurate.
HA! Sarcasm at its best.
well, are u surprised, the Patriot was made by that pro-Murica Emmerich and the racist/anglophobe Gibson
Just don't like to see Americans whipping your ass? Don't worry we gave you an encore.
Ohhhh that sweet cannon at 1:12
Got to admit it takes real guts to run forward from the 'comparative safety' of the rear ranks to fill up the now vacant gaps in the front lines!
Ever heard of the Forlorn Hope?
Sure have! Volunteers for the initial assault on a fortification - chance of success or even survival extremely small but instant promotion to those who succeed. They appeared twice I think in the Sharpe TV series - once during the Spanish peninsular setting and again when Sharpe was sent to India - not a happy ending for either!
It was originally a Dutch term, coming from "Verloren Hoop" which literally translates to "Lost Troop." Anyway, like you said it was a suicide squad basically. The fact it was a Dutch phrase originally was because during the second half of the 17th century, Dutch military was one of the dominant factors on the European battlefield.
Many thanks for that Audie, I never knew it came from the Dutch! I suppose when William of Orange came to the British throne he would have brought quite a few aspects of his Dutch heritage with him which were then incorporated into British military tradition. We were both much better as allies than rivals, but please, no more pleasure cruises up the Medway if you please!
*Plymouth 57* Of course. It was much more productive to combine both our Royal Marines forces and capture Gibraltar!
Both sides opened fire at too great a distance. The Brits would never do that, 50 yards and closer, more like 30. From what I've read most shots went high, the British were taught to aim knee high.
Is that a percussion lock @2:55?
Al Pacinko is the greatest of all stars!
My husband was in that gordon Scott and his ex wife Maria bania
Cool
Rule Britannia
Perché non pubblicare il film intero anche a pagamento invece di spezzoni è in lingua italiana
The most memorable thing about this film is Donald Sutherland’s laughable attempt at a British accent.
As a Brit, l don't consider it too bad, plus he is a Canadian, so it's a little closer to our accent than American English. Also, l think l would struggle to understand my 18th century ancestors' accents, if we ever met. 😊
This was a civil war between British subjects. You can dress it up as anything you want but is was still a civil war. The British public thought the same and were against blue on blue war. Remember Britain had endured a similar war a century earlier with families divided and terrible atrocities committed on both sides. This is a trademark of every civil war in history.
It was a pointless war created by greedy, colonial merchants and landowners who did not want to pay for the British troops protecting them from the French and their native American allies. The ordinary colonials payed less taxes, even with the stamp act, then their British kin. The leaders conned them with the no taxation without representation bullshit. The simple truth was this, ordinary people on either side of the pond had little or no representation due the limited franchise on voting. Something that the British have since removed but still exists in America, where even in 2020-21, state legislatures are legally able to deny or hinder certain ethnic or class groups from voting and full participation in the democratic process. Some victory.
Omg is that a young Donald Sutherland
Not our finest hour.
4:01 Again right there! Did they not know what "make ready" meant?
Why couldn't they all just get along?
someone give me subtitles of what the commanding officer says when he orders to his regiment starting at 3:50
Sp 1d he says regiment halt then poise musket
@@ricoh633 Well, he done goofed. That is not what poising looks like, poise muskets isn't even a battlefield command. Well, it's not really a command at all, he should've said firelocks
The more outrageous thing for me though is when he orders to "make ready". And then the men present. That's just stupid.
he said " brigedit hallllllllllt"
@@crazyguy8518 i thought it was "regiment hallllllllllt!!!"
@@Andy-kg4xe idk mayby
What was done a lot better was chariots of fire
Hollywood made a movie about the formation of the country, show it American audiences in the 1980's, in the middle of the Reagan era and one of the most "f-yeah America!" patriotic periods in recent memory...and made the big battle scene about Americans getting their asses kicked by foreigners, running away, and literally getting herded like sheep at bayonet-point, all to sad "we lost" music.
Yeah, I have no idea why this movie tanked.
1:50 that has the be the worst rendition of the 'British Granadiers' I have ever heard
Actually it's spot on for the period! This version is called "Ye British Grenadiers" and dates from around the time of Charles the Second. This tune evolved over the years into the modern version heard in military parades "THE British Grenadier"
Doesn't sound bad imo
That rendition is probably accurate for it’s time.
Interesting to see the British actually win for once. In the Revolutionary War, they lost so many times because they were so ineptly led.
not at all, infact the British won most of the battles
Hail Victory And yet the battles they lost were key battles.
infinitecanadian You're right there. The only major losses the British suffered were 1) Saratoga 2) Yorktown. Both resulted in the capture of an entire British army which is a bit of an ouchie when you're trying to win a war. The Americans also had a key advantage. The British had to win. The Americans had to not lose.
Christopher Miller Don't forget Cowpens, Lexington, Trenton, etc.
the only key battle was the last. the British won most battle even though outnumbered and against multiple enemies on multiple fronts, lets not forget a large proportion of british troops died from disease
I liked this movie the revolutionaries were small armies of militia thrown together with minute men who were farmers and left homes in minutes to a rally point and I'm sorry if you think everyone should be standing tall and straight but would never happen as for the gun it may have been left behind close by and lucky to have it the drums well they were also used an adrenaline rush as to show something is about to happen as for their speech well don't forget most were illiterate hence the d
And the declaration of independence has a line missing at the end as they knew they weren't perfect and line is used today in government as the patriot Act so unless you were There in 1776 lighten up war is never perfect and neither were the people who fought them or led them
Imagining Harry's face while watching this with Meghan
2:23 Aiming on make ready? Really movie?
not sure back in that period what the commands were.all i have to go on is my own experiance i left the infantry in 1993 and vaigly remember that make ready was cock and aim or it was range safety catch cock aim but of course the weapons are completely different.Oh and the command was only used on the ranges unless in an ambush. I may be completely wrong it was a long time ago.
mass route lol
The movie is from the UK, blame them, not the USA for making it.
Yeah look at the crap like the patriot who made the brits look like bloody Nazis
And it’s better than the Patriot.
The plot line was a bit thin and Pacino wasn’t the best choice. It would’ve made a better TV serial.
AP was the biggest mistake on Revolution!
He's a movie star, but they should've employed an actor!
I like Al pacino. He's one of my favorites.Though sometimes, I'm also wondering why he was choosen for that character despite of being an american italian actor. Well it's ok.
The only thing why it's underrated is just because the commandments are mistakenly directed if you want to know, watch Brandon F. "How not to volley in Revolution"
i'm pretty sure it's more to do with the film's genre, setting and generally the average movie viewer's demand at the time the film was released that made the film "underwhelming".
Why is he holding the East India Company Flag 4:28
I wondered who funded the revolution
George III Continental grand union flag
Unfairly maligned film. The focus was meant to be on the individuals caught up in the conflict, not epic battles. Revolution accomplishes that pretty well, it just didn’t meet the mark on establishing the relationship between Tom & Daisy.
Thanks Brandon.
I’m really sorry this film did so poorly; that scene really horrified the closeness of combat and it left a lasting effect on me.
I wonder where all the small pox blankets are, this is highly inaccurate.
You failed the internet
Did I hear Americans that are English?! Ey up historically accurate for once not a bunch of strong Boston accents
This movie was awful.
u wrong
@@TheBlueCream Well, some folks like Garbage Movies, i for one do Not!
Yeah there are a number of inaccuracies like the fact that the lines were so distant, surely they ought to be closer especially when firing a volley
This movie is highly boring. I've had farts that were more entertaining than this snoozefest.