Lamar individually sucks in playoffs. His throws become atrocious. He gets flustered. Burrows had awful oline and still balled out. I’m a Chiefs fan, and we never care when it’s time to play the Ravens. We know Lamar is likely to make a dumb throw under the pressure.
@@gj5990Lol Lamar scored 4 touchdowns and advanced his team to the AFC championship. Say what you want but at the end of day none of these QBs have no rings except mahomes.
@@changes6901 who cares Bengals would never trade for Lamar either… Lamar wouldn’t of been able to change The franchise of Cincinnati.. Burrow has more playoff wins anyway
@@blaeddittman6580by Lamar being able to escape the pocket the bengals would not be 0-3 with Lamar. The ravens defense isn’t playing good right now and his o line is one of the worst. Lamar will make something happen unlike Joe
@@MrEmmanuelmack he was still hurt the first 4 games. Then he played beyond great for 5 games then got knocked out for the season I think week 10. So he didn’t finish the year.
@@David-w9i7j he should be in the conversation lol I watched him dice the 49ers up in the playoffs if it wasn’t for the coach and drops he’d have another SB appearance.
My thing is just that burrow be held accountable like Lamar hurts or Allen would. He’s elite. That’s not a question. But if we consider you elite you need to be better than 5-8. And yes burrows stats were great Monday but he trailed pretty much the entire game, and we crush Dak for having “empty calorie” stats. We don’t need to question if he’s elite we know what burrow is capable of. But since he is elite, just like Lamar and Allen, he needs to be criticized like Lamar and Allen when he comes up short
Yall act like he won the superbowl he lost he has the same record as them no rings. That team going 7-10 watch and see. Elite players have a impact on winning even though the team has deficiencies that’s what makes them elite it’s that simple
@@chikushodiz91 ok and? 1. He lost 2. It’s not about taking away from him. I legit said he’s still elite, one of the best we have. All I’m saying is that 5-8 ain’t good enough for an elite qb and he need to be called out on it
@@eastbaltimoresbabyboy7904I was thinking the same thing. Was Ocho Cinco, Anthony Munoz or Icky Woods not available? Hahahahaha But it ain't Burrow's fault tho.
The bengals allowed a rookie to score every possession. Only forced 1 punt. You can’t win like that no matter how good the qb is. Vs the chiefs he played well had 1 major mistake. Teams still had the lead the last time he touched the field. He did not play well vs the patriots offense costed them that game.
it's not Burrow's fault that the Bengals are loosing he has a passer rating of 107, 5 tds, 0 picks, and 740 passing yds...the defense is letting him down
They need to stop excusing Burrow. Almost any other QB would be getting killed for going 0-3. Look how they was talking about Lamar if he would've lost to Dallas. Quick to give the QB credit when they win but blame everyone else when the lose. Burrow didn't get as much criticism for the New England game as much as the defense getting for the Washington game.
@@jaxsontuttle4932 he out played Mahomes and virtually every other QB 2 weeks in a row.. Burrow hasn’t been the problem maybe you should watch football more buddy
Bro when burrow left the field vs the chiefs for the last time he had the lead. Defense last it a long with the refs. Burrow and the offense put up 33 points vs Washington but the defense couldn't stop a runny nose. It's all on the defense. Burrow had best game statistically of any QB in the league this season vs Washington as far as yards and touchdowns go. It's not on burrow
Assure you Ravens don’t want Burrow. Lamar means too much to the city of Baltimore on and off the field. And Lamar leads the league in total yards as of right now.
Ravens wouldn’t trade Lamar for Burrow. Texans wouldn’t trade Stroud for Burrow. Packers wouldn’t trade Love for Burrow. Chargers wouldn’t Trade Herbert for Burrow. Lars stop talking crazy.
@@jtbear77idk why your talking after having a rookie QB from the Washington commanders come into your building and drop over 38 points in his 3rd game ever in the NFL. That’s embarrassing 😂
I agree cause no matter what the Ravens does Lamar always get ridiculed.. If the defense would’ve held Kansas City the Ravens would’ve won, I’d the defense would’ve stopped the Raiders they would’ve won.. That line wasn’t stable but Lamar still got blamed.. The pass defense was horrible, yet Lamar still got blamed and he’s been balling.. But Burrow gets a pass cause he still played good but they’re 0-3!!! GTFOH HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE!!!
@@blaeddittman6580 He settled for FGs in the RedZone while Jayden Daniels was scoring TDs ...And I guess you missed Burrows performance against the rebuilding Patriots but yet as always he gets a pass ...The Bengals are 0-3 let that sink in 🎯
@@dabully1981 It's either Dak or Lamar that gets bashed every week ....I've never seen anything like it ....Burrow ...Herbert and Trevor Lawrence never go through what Dak and Lamar goes through weekly 🎯
He’s the reason they’re not getting stomped. The patriots game is for sure his fault other than that he has played really great, now if they lose to the panthers on Sunday and he plays poorly then it is all on him for them being in this hole
Passer yes....clean pocket lamar has highest completion percentage in the league....we seen burrow with less talent....burrow onky started to shine truthfully when chase came....u can give lamar anyone...lamar has more throwing angles....more zip on his passes....and more completions in tight windows....so yes lamar is better than burrow hands down....reason burrow played 5 years and only shine the last year....reason lamar won a heisman and could of won two....but later followed that up with two mvps @DasCool0
@DasCool0 lamar has no o line too.....they just look better than usual cause he has escapabilty.....another reason he's better than burrow.....only media believes burrow is better mostly any and every player would take lamar
@@AnthonyMercado-1988 I hate when ppl try to label a guy before seeing the whole picture. Peyton Manning was 3-6 in playoffs before he finally won a Super bowl, John Elway was 37 years old before he finally won back to back Super bowls. Lamar is only 27 years old and has plenty of time to win a bowl. Football is a team sport and you gotta be in the right situation to win a bowl. Having Andy Reid as coach is huge for Pat Mahomes and Bill Belicheck for Tom Brady. Lamar is a 2 time MVP of the league yet I hear ppl talking like he's not a top 5 QB it's crazy
are u slow jimmy g went to the superbowl in this same system did u put him in the elite category at the time, yall have recency bias, brock purdy isn’t elite, he does what he’s supposed to, kyle shanahan hides a qb flaws, he did the same with jimmy g
Two time mvp Lamar jackson? And Lamar jackson doesn’t have the weapons burrow has. If you put Lamar in in that bengals offense they probably would of won a Super Bowl already. Lamar is way more elite than burrow I’m dumbfounded by that take
As an elite QB, paid like one…it doesn’t matter what your defense is or isn’t doing…you’re supposed to elevate even marginal players, much less have other elite receivers at your disposal and win the game, period. Burrows is still a top notch QB, but he’s not without blame.
The "resume" argument for Burrow... but Purdy has just as good of one? Brock Purdy is in his third season. In his second season, he went to... a super bowl. In his first season, he went to... the NFC championship game, where he got hurt on the very first series of the game and they lost. Brock has NEVER not made an NFC championship game. So if we're talking resumes... Brock has already accomplished everything Burrow has... and he did it in two seasons.
Put Joe Burrow on the teams Purdy had and they’d have a ring. Burrow gets more credit because he took a garbage franchise to relevancy. The 9ers were already winning playoff games w/ Jimmy G before Purdy arrived.
@@blaeddittman6580correction 2x MVP/walking HOF/ Mr. I won 76% of my games/21-1 vs a WHOLE CONFERENCE/I have a better record than EVERY QB not named Patrick/2nd highest ppg in NFL HISTORY/ all WITHOUT a top WR....NOR 1K RB. Joe is 1-5 vs Lamar. The Great White Hope is 29-26 career...YOU'RE DELUSIONAL 😅😅😅😅
@@blaeddittman6580 Yep he has that one category over Lamar, but Lamar has 10 other categories above him that are equally if not more important: More Pro-Bowls (Burow has none) More MVPS (Burrow has none) More Career Passing yards More Rushing Yards Lamar is the only QB with 1k Rushing and 3k Passing yards, outdoing even Prescott, Wilson, and Burrow in some years Lamar is 4-1 against Burrow Burrow cant run or scramble to save his life and takes sacks way more easily Burrow lost to two bottom of the gutter teams (Patriots & Commanders) who if they were combined still wouldn't have a better offense than the Raiders (Devonta for one) Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Steve Young, and Micheal Vick has greatly praised Lamar for pure talent & greatness, some even saying he's better in areas and they wish they had some of his talent & speed (Brady & Newton) Lamars QB rating for week 3 is 96.8 second to only Allen by only 1.5pts, but Burrow ain't even top 10, with a Qb rating of 73.0.
TJ, you my guy and all but a lot of sports fans won't take you seriously with you saying Burrow is 3rd best QB in the leaugue. And to imply that the Eagles would trade Hurts for Burrow or the Jets would trade A-Rod for Burrow. If I was the owner or coach for the Ravens I absolutely would NOT trade L. Jackson for Joe Burrow.
Ravens would not even think about trading Lamar for Burrow. Lamar has done more than Burrow has done for his team. Only thing Burrow has done has gone to the superbowl....and lost.....
Chiefs, Bills and Ravens would not take the call. Texans and Chargers would take the call but most likely refuse the offer. Everyone else is definitely taking the call and seriously considering what that trade would entail before saying yes or no.
That's what's wrong with a lot of these Sports shows because TJ is definitely on some biased Prejudice stuff he going to sit up there and say Baltimore trade Lamar for Joe Bell he out his mind and his whole family must have a history of mental health to say something like that
Money ruins the purity of athletics. Burrow, Chase, and Higgins were exciting and infectious out of love of the game and youthful desire to win. Something happens when a man locks down generational money, at least to most. Its the person that continues to have the true competitive nature that comes to inhabit an entire team with a champion spirit, that carries teams to championships year after year. Those guys end up as household names and hall of famers. Its a truly rare breed.
Lamar is mid at best. The ravens lose because of him, not win. His team is elite though. Actually watch him play qb, he's not that good, a bit above average. He's a great runner, and okish as a qb.
@@jameskottmann8018well Peyton Manning and Brady said he is, but I supposed to believe you a guy that works at Walmart lol? And if Allen and burrow are so elite why they don't have MVPs like Lamar?
@@jameskottmann8018And did you say that the ravens lose because of Lamar? LMAO they are under 500 without Lamar, in 2018 they were under 500 when Lamar took over, since then they win Three out of four games, dude you are just a miserable person
The problem with this Elite status is the media n the fans. This is what happens when u lower the bar so everyone can step over it. A qb or player strings together a few good games or 1 fantastic season n they are immediately elevated to elite status when in fact they are not. Every1 did this with jalen hurts because of 1 really good season. Elite is when some1 plays at a high level for an extended period of time. EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME!! This means years not 1 season or a few games.
When I saw this the first time I set a reminder in my calendar to come back the day after the game… TJ put some respect on Lamar’s name. There is only one guy you would take over Lamar because of past success.
Let’s be clear, I’m older…I remember how good TJ was and he’s much respected. But as a legit ravens fan we would NOT trade Lamar Jackson for Joe. Please TJ take your bias out and RELAX SMH LOL
Chiefs, Texans, Bills, Ravens, Packers, Lions, Chargers and maybe a few other teams would not trade their QB one for one with the Bengals for Joe Burrow
@@bgstv10001 I know, read slowly what I said, "The sure as heck didn't play well vs one of the worst teams in the NFL (Commanders)". Your rebuttle is irrelevant.
@@RrRookiEeE No because everything besides his individual play says he’s elite. The people playing against believes he’s elite. The Gms, scouts, execs, and owners in the nfl believes he’s elite. All evidence points to him being elite. Only people who hate on this guy says he’s not elite.
@@da-ms please actually sit down and watch football. His play on the field says the complete opposite. But I bet ur not going to do that. So just go look at his numbers and give 6 qbs with better numbers than him please?
@@513ovaeverything7 Ok then, since so many ppl say he's elite, show me. Show me all these GM's, scouts, execs, and owners, who are groveling at Joe's feet, since they're so many. Give me a source to fact check, so I know its not just you making things up outta thin air. And so that its not like always only Burrowheads think Burrow is top tier.
This show is a waste 🗑 of air time now! If not for joy I would not even turn to the channel. Paul looks lost! Keyshawn talks over everyone, and Michael is Michael, lol.
I think that Brock Purdy is an elite Quarterback in the NFL NOW!!! No.1 he's a remarkable story. to be last in the draft picked and to lead his team to the Super Bowl and almost....almost beat The world champs Chiefs in overtime....in a two-year period...THAT'S an Elite Quarterback...not to mention his QBR is above 110.9 this season in his 3rd season...that's an elite QB status. Now Joe Burrow being an elite Quarterback ...Absolutely. Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, hasn't won an AFC championship...only Joe Burrow...and none of them went to the Super Bowl......in two years in the NFL....Only Joe Burrow and Brock Purdy have won conference Championships and gone to the Super Bowl. they are Elite Quarterbacks....Both guys need their weapon and defenses to step up and play their high tier level which they haven't and that's why the teams are not winning.
Joe Burrow will always be an elite passer but Bengals wil not win anything because they don't pay at other positions - WR, RB, etc. Lamar may not be as good a passer as Joe, but he is way more explosive as a dual-threat package.
The main reason I subscribe to this channel because Joy is so good at what she does. I love the other hosts and the conversations that develop on this show, but the way Joy manages things and expresses her views is fantastic. She is a top-notch pro at what she does. I'd love to see her in a J.B. or Curt Menefee role on a Sunday studio show.
Why would ravens trade for that statue of borrow ? Everybody in the league loves lamar Joe borrow was drafted high he supposed to be “ elite “ nobody expected lamar to be in this convo and he will win a sb before borrow . ,
Just remember there was a time when Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, and Golden Tate were all on the same team in their primes and they still didn’t do anything, takes more to win a ball game then elite players at the QB and WR positions. Sometimes there are just bad franchises.
One thing Burrow doesn’t get enough credit for is being the most accurate qb EVER, he is the current record holder for highest career completion percentage.
Jackson? Stroud? Allen? Prescott? Herbert? Purdy is 2-0 in the divisional round. Jackson 1-2; Stroud 0-1; Allen 1-3; Prescott 0-2 (Playing since 2016, elite?); Herbert’s never made it past the wild card. Purdy is 1-1 in conference finals. Which one of those so called elite QBs ever won one? Purdy is far superior. He made it to a Super Bowl before them all. Looking at the last 6 years it’s Mahomes and Stafford the champions. Burrow, Purdy, Hurts, etc Super Bowl QBs Rodgers, 2 conf finals. Allen, Jackson and the ones. Elite after the 1st 3 games gets you a pat on the back. Especially if you’ve only won 1 divisional game in 6 seasons. I’ve seen superior records than that.
They said Burrow is on a bad team and he makes most of the money but he’s elite. All of these things don’t mix. If they were winning Burrow would get ALL the attention so when they are losing he needs all the bad attention.
I love how when someone like Justin Herbert is in discussion it’s all about wins and playoffs but when Joe Burrow can’t get wins it’s nothing but excuses. Excuses that people use to defend Justin Herbert that they all refute..
Yo, hate they way these media folk act like it’s strictly 2 qbs out there playing some 1v1 dude. There’s 10/11 more guys on each side of the mfn field.
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So you don’t blame elite QBs but you blame Lamar?
Good only one time in the playoffs@@AnthonyMercado-1988
@@AnthonyMercado-1988they both have done nothing they both have no super bowls but Lamar had two mvps
Lamar individually sucks in playoffs. His throws become atrocious. He gets flustered. Burrows had awful oline and still balled out. I’m a Chiefs fan, and we never care when it’s time to play the Ravens. We know Lamar is likely to make a dumb throw under the pressure.
@@gj5990Lol Lamar scored 4 touchdowns and advanced his team to the AFC championship. Say what you want but at the end of day none of these QBs have no rings except mahomes.
lol exactly
Ravens will never trade Lamar for Burrow.
@@changes6901 who cares Bengals would never trade for Lamar either… Lamar wouldn’t of been able to change The franchise of Cincinnati.. Burrow has more playoff wins anyway
@@blaeddittman6580 Lamar is 8-2 against Cincinnati.
@@aem870 8-1 as a starter
@@jilldailey1206 TRUE!
@@blaeddittman6580by Lamar being able to escape the pocket the bengals would not be 0-3 with Lamar. The ravens defense isn’t playing good right now and his o line is one of the worst. Lamar will make something happen unlike Joe
Elite QBs are not 5-8 in their last 13 games and don’t start 0-2 every year
But they end up in the afc championship game EVERY YEAR he plays
@@brandonnaegele6494 yea 2 years ago. The bengals and the league has changed so much from 2 years ago. This year they definitely not going either
@@brandonnaegele6494not true but okay Bengals are overrated as Burrow is
@@brandonnaegele6494last year?
@@MrEmmanuelmack he was still hurt the first 4 games. Then he played beyond great for 5 games then got knocked out for the season I think week 10. So he didn’t finish the year.
Purdy been to a nfc and a Super Bowl but they’d never make the argument that he’s elite
He's top 10, maybe top 5 in the league. People give his mates all the props, he throws dimes.
Because he's obviously not
Jared Goff has been to the SB and Championship game with two different teams and they would never call him elite.
@@David-w9i7j he should be in the conversation lol I watched him dice the 49ers up in the playoffs if it wasn’t for the coach and drops he’d have another SB appearance.
@@EverythingisH8speech bro make an actual argument or go on somewhere. Stop being a child.
“Even the ravens would trade lamar for burrow”
🤣 i wouldnt trade a can of beans for burrow
My thing is just that burrow be held accountable like Lamar hurts or Allen would. He’s elite. That’s not a question. But if we consider you elite you need to be better than 5-8. And yes burrows stats were great Monday but he trailed pretty much the entire game, and we crush Dak for having “empty calorie” stats. We don’t need to question if he’s elite we know what burrow is capable of. But since he is elite, just like Lamar and Allen, he needs to be criticized like Lamar and Allen when he comes up short
Are you serious those 2 haven’t lead their team to the Super Bowl
Yall act like he won the superbowl he lost he has the same record as them no rings. That team going 7-10 watch and see. Elite players have a impact on winning even though the team has deficiencies that’s what makes them elite it’s that simple
@@chikushodiz91 ok and? 1. He lost 2. It’s not about taking away from him. I legit said he’s still elite, one of the best we have. All I’m saying is that 5-8 ain’t good enough for an elite qb and he need to be called out on it
@@chikushodiz91 did he win? now ppl get praised for a superbowl appearance ?
Lmfao Lamar has literally LOST u games as well as a number of playoff ones 😂
Ya…..bring on a former Bengal to defend Burrow and that team at all costs…..clearly good point of view 😂
Soon as I seen the thumbnail 😂
@@eastbaltimoresbabyboy7904 YES! Thank you I’m not alone 😂
@@eastbaltimoresbabyboy7904I was thinking the same thing. Was Ocho Cinco, Anthony Munoz or Icky Woods not available? Hahahahaha But it ain't Burrow's fault tho.
And it's a former raven who's doggin on em. Biased as it gets
The bengals allowed a rookie to score every possession. Only forced 1 punt. You can’t win like that no matter how good the qb is. Vs the chiefs he played well had 1 major mistake. Teams still had the lead the last time he touched the field. He did not play well vs the patriots offense costed them that game.
Didnt Lamar beat Burrow the last time this man said the ravens would choose Burrow over him? Saying that is still so wild to me lol.
@@stacksin133 Ravens beat Cincy
8-1
The game where burrow was leading but he was injured
Did baltimore lose to KC and still get chosen over them this year? StIlL cRaZy To Me
the problem all of the Lamar apologists is the lack of playoff games. Burrow wins in the playoffs once he is there. Lamar doesnt
When the Ravens defense give up a lead late in a game you guys blame Lamar. Stop giving Burrow excuses.
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@@markwright9269 at least Burrow & Jalen made it to a SB!
it's not Burrow's fault that the Bengals are loosing he has a passer rating of 107, 5 tds, 0 picks, and 740 passing yds...the defense is letting him down
It’s because Lamar usually has time to comeback for a win and flops. He can’t pass when it matters most.
@@JordanT3025 like during that AFC Championship game last season!
They need to stop excusing Burrow. Almost any other QB would be getting killed for going 0-3. Look how they was talking about Lamar if he would've lost to Dallas. Quick to give the QB credit when they win but blame everyone else when the lose. Burrow didn't get as much criticism for the New England game as much as the defense getting for the Washington game.
Facts and he fumbled in the chiefs
The media loves Joe burrow and will always defend him no matter how bad he plays 😂
@@jaxsontuttle4932 he out played Mahomes and virtually every other QB 2 weeks in a row.. Burrow hasn’t been the problem maybe you should watch football more buddy
@@blaeddittman6580it shouldn’t be hard to out play New England journeyman quarterback or a rookie 😂😂😂😂
Bro when burrow left the field vs the chiefs for the last time he had the lead. Defense last it a long with the refs. Burrow and the offense put up 33 points vs Washington but the defense couldn't stop a runny nose. It's all on the defense. Burrow had best game statistically of any QB in the league this season vs Washington as far as yards and touchdowns go. It's not on burrow
Would they say the same thing if Lamar was 0-3?
Lamar Is okay
They was when he was 0-2
You know they blame for everything
Lamar hasn't been to a superbowl either
No they wouldn't!!! Smh
Assure you Ravens don’t want Burrow. Lamar means too much to the city of Baltimore on and off the field. And Lamar leads the league in total yards as of right now.
But Burrow went to a SB!
@@AmirKhan-yv8jmand lost! Lamar WON 2 MVPs
@@AmirKhan-yv8jmso did Jalen hurts lmaoo they LOSTTTT
@@AmirKhan-yv8jm I thought the goal was to win a Super Bowl, not just go to one. I guess the standards have been lowered a bit.
I trade Lamar for burrow in a heartbeat
Lamar is 8-2 vs Burrow Bengals but they never talk about this on any of these sports shows🤔🤔🧐🧐
Facts
Facts 💯
And Lamar is 2-4 in the playoffs. FACTS 💯
@@Dmil2506 Absolutely 💯 FACTS
Exactly
I didn’t hear this for Lamar Jackson 😂😂😂
Hear what?
Facts Lamar loose its all his fault.... Joe loose its the defense,he fumbles its everybody else fault
Dumbest thing TJ has ever said, no way the Ravens trade Joe for Lamar. Lamar owns Joe head to head....
@@soholingo thank you!!
@@RayWilson-bf5qz that ur girl calls me mike ox big😂
Ravens wouldn’t trade Lamar for Burrow. Texans wouldn’t trade Stroud for Burrow. Packers wouldn’t trade Love for Burrow. Chargers wouldn’t Trade Herbert for Burrow. Lars stop talking crazy.
Burrow is better than love
The Bengals aren't winning because of Joe Burrow either. Start there, because a franchise QB puts a team on his back and wins.
Facts, the excuses for Burrow are running out.
It’s September. 😂 ravens fans worry about your playoff choker Lamar
@@jtbear77Bengals never won Superbowl or bills hold that L
@@jtbear77idk why your talking after having a rookie QB from the Washington commanders come into your building and drop over 38 points in his 3rd game ever in the NFL. That’s embarrassing 😂
@@jaxsontuttle4932 Jayden Daniels is nice 😐 and my team will be fine
Hold Burrow accountable his team is 0-3....He's gotten enough passes ...
@@CoachRJ334 yes and he’s the main reason why they should be 3-0 … he’s not on Defense
I agree cause no matter what the Ravens does Lamar always get ridiculed.. If the defense would’ve held Kansas City the Ravens would’ve won, I’d the defense would’ve stopped the Raiders they would’ve won.. That line wasn’t stable but Lamar still got blamed.. The pass defense was horrible, yet Lamar still got blamed and he’s been balling.. But Burrow gets a pass cause he still played good but they’re 0-3!!! GTFOH HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE!!!
@@blaeddittman6580 He settled for FGs in the RedZone while Jayden Daniels was scoring TDs ...And I guess you missed Burrows performance against the rebuilding Patriots but yet as always he gets a pass ...The Bengals are 0-3 let that sink in 🎯
@@dabully1981 It's either Dak or Lamar that gets bashed every week ....I've never seen anything like it ....Burrow ...Herbert and Trevor Lawrence never go through what Dak and Lamar goes through weekly 🎯
He’s the reason they’re not getting stomped. The patriots game is for sure his fault other than that he has played really great, now if they lose to the panthers on Sunday and he plays poorly then it is all on him for them being in this hole
Bruh how is Joe burrow better then Lamar but I guess 😂😂😂
@DasCool0passer? No. All around player? Yes. It’s easier to beat Joe than it is to beat Lamar.
Passer yes....clean pocket lamar has highest completion percentage in the league....we seen burrow with less talent....burrow onky started to shine truthfully when chase came....u can give lamar anyone...lamar has more throwing angles....more zip on his passes....and more completions in tight windows....so yes lamar is better than burrow hands down....reason burrow played 5 years and only shine the last year....reason lamar won a heisman and could of won two....but later followed that up with two mvps @DasCool0
@DasCool0 lamar has no o line too.....they just look better than usual cause he has escapabilty.....another reason he's better than burrow.....only media believes burrow is better mostly any and every player would take lamar
@DasCool0 thats 98% of the league bro.....
@DasCool0 if it was solely based on lamar yes.....as a team I don't know....we only look good cause he hides sooo many flaws
Passes for joe of course
We all know why
The Lamar disrespect is crazy to me. He's gotta be the most disrespected 2 time MVP in his prime guy in NFL history
He getshis flowers. Guy just cant throw it consistently. I love lamar but dudes a runner. Not a thrower
@@XXMetallica88XXLamar lead the league passing td, QBR, and passing Rtg before. Josh Allen and Joe burrow never did that so who the runner again
@@marcusfrazier20 lamar
@@XXMetallica88XX uhhh yea check the stats sir
@@AnthonyMercado-1988 I hate when ppl try to label a guy before seeing the whole picture. Peyton Manning was 3-6 in playoffs before he finally won a Super bowl, John Elway was 37 years old before he finally won back to back Super bowls. Lamar is only 27 years old and has plenty of time to win a bowl. Football is a team sport and you gotta be in the right situation to win a bowl. Having Andy Reid as coach is huge for Pat Mahomes and Bill Belicheck for Tom Brady. Lamar is a 2 time MVP of the league yet I hear ppl talking like he's not a top 5 QB it's crazy
EXCUSES!!! Keep that same energy for all QBS
The ravens do not want Joe Burrow. I promise you.
I would take Lamar Jackson over Joe Burrow 10/10 times & twice on Sunday.
Facts we don’t lol
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@@masonr5677hell yes
lol he played for the bengals he’s just hurt.
Different colors of qb different perspective expectations and grace🤣🤣
Burrow and Purdy have accomplished the exact same thing yet burrow is elite but not Purdy 😂😂😂
It’s crazy 😭
Yeah that's true!!! Brock don't get no credit at all but Burrow gets passes!!! Insane!!
Burrow is better than brock Purdy stop that.
are u slow jimmy g went to the superbowl in this same system did u put him in the elite category at the time, yall have recency bias, brock purdy isn’t elite, he does what he’s supposed to, kyle shanahan hides a qb flaws, he did the same with jimmy g
@@daarmethazine what has Joe done lately? Absolutely nothing. Still living off the 2021 run
Two time mvp Lamar jackson? And Lamar jackson doesn’t have the weapons burrow has. If you put Lamar in in that bengals offense they probably would of won a Super Bowl already. Lamar is way more elite than burrow I’m dumbfounded by that take
Lamar has the same weapons dude. Henry, Andrew’s, Likely, flowers are all good players
5 gams vs each other
Lamar 1112 8td 2int...256 rush 4-1
Burrow 1139 7tds 4int .....55 rush 1-4
Joe suppose to be a better passer where at????
Stay mad 🤣
Facts
@@ravensflock2853 😂
Regular season warrior lol
Now put up the stats for the Bengals v's Ravens defense in those 5 games!
As an elite QB, paid like one…it doesn’t matter what your defense is or isn’t doing…you’re supposed to elevate even marginal players, much less have other elite receivers at your disposal and win the game, period. Burrows is still a top notch QB, but he’s not without blame.
Lamar jackson is the 2nd best qb in football
Hes clearly elite our losses come off defense burrow puts up great stats every game he plays yall needa calm down
The "resume" argument for Burrow... but Purdy has just as good of one?
Brock Purdy is in his third season. In his second season, he went to... a super bowl. In his first season, he went to... the NFC championship game, where he got hurt on the very first series of the game and they lost. Brock has NEVER not made an NFC championship game.
So if we're talking resumes... Brock has already accomplished everything Burrow has... and he did it in two seasons.
Put Joe Burrow on the teams Purdy had and they’d have a ring. Burrow gets more credit because he took a garbage franchise to relevancy. The 9ers were already winning playoff games w/ Jimmy G before Purdy arrived.
5-8 Last 2 years, Can't beat Baltimore or Cleveland and can't stay healthy. If that's elite then there are 15 elite QB'S in the NFL.
There’s only two elite quarterbacks in the league Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m 😂😂🤡 that’s hilarious take that running back Lamar off the list
@@blaeddittman6580 Two MVPs, when Lamar is healthy he dominates the division. Burrow is 1-4 against Lamar
Thank you
@@blaeddittman6580 Name me another quarterback that’s been elite without Pro Bowl wide receivers?
@@blaeddittman6580correction 2x MVP/walking HOF/ Mr. I won 76% of my games/21-1 vs a WHOLE CONFERENCE/I have a better record than EVERY QB not named Patrick/2nd highest ppg in NFL HISTORY/ all WITHOUT a top WR....NOR 1K RB. Joe is 1-5 vs Lamar. The Great White Hope is 29-26 career...YOU'RE DELUSIONAL 😅😅😅😅
This is the dumbest question that they have ever had... Joe Burrow is not as good as Lamar Jackson T.J..
He’s got more playoff wins then Lamar
@@blaeddittman6580and how many Superbowl championships to go with it?
@@blaeddittman6580 Yep he has that one category over Lamar, but Lamar has 10 other categories above him that are equally if not more important:
More Pro-Bowls (Burow has none)
More MVPS (Burrow has none)
More Career Passing yards
More Rushing Yards
Lamar is the only QB with 1k Rushing and 3k Passing yards, outdoing even Prescott, Wilson, and Burrow in some years
Lamar is 4-1 against Burrow
Burrow cant run or scramble to save his life and takes sacks way more easily
Burrow lost to two bottom of the gutter teams (Patriots & Commanders) who if they were combined still wouldn't have a better offense than the Raiders (Devonta for one)
Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Steve Young, and Micheal Vick has greatly praised Lamar for pure talent & greatness, some even saying he's better in areas and they wish they had some of his talent & speed (Brady & Newton)
Lamars QB rating for week 3 is 96.8 second to only Allen by only 1.5pts, but Burrow ain't even top 10, with a Qb rating of 73.0.
@@blaeddittman6580 Winning 2 more playoff games doesn't make you a better player LOL you guys are incredible.
@@darriuss4574Same as Lamar….but Burrow has been to a Superbowl by winning the AFC.
TJ, you my guy and all but a lot of sports fans won't take you seriously with you saying Burrow is 3rd best QB in the leaugue. And to imply that the Eagles would trade Hurts for Burrow or the Jets would trade A-Rod for Burrow. If I was the owner or coach for the Ravens I absolutely would NOT trade L. Jackson for Joe Burrow.
Burrow lives rent free in every ravens fans head🤣. I could not imagine being that miserable with my life
Ravens would not even think about trading Lamar for Burrow. Lamar has done more than Burrow has done for his team. Only thing Burrow has done has gone to the superbowl....and lost.....
Anybody here after That classic game lamar just put on them bengals 😂😂😂
Joe Burrow is 5 & 13 in his last 18 games lol …I remember Lamar lost one game and the entire media said the league had figured him out 🤦🏾♂️
Paul Peirce keeping it real about Purdy. Finnally someone gives Purdy his credit.
Chiefs, bills, chargers and Texans wouldn’t trade their qb for burrow.
That’s really it. Maybe the jets
@@EAFC02and the ravens
@@EAFC02Ravens
chargers wouldnt but the ravens would? you serious ?
Chiefs, Bills and Ravens would not take the call. Texans and Chargers would take the call but most likely refuse the offer. Everyone else is definitely taking the call and seriously considering what that trade would entail before saying yes or no.
There’s no way he believes that the Ravens would trade Lamar for Joe Burrow, foolish talk
Joe Burrow is throwing to Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins give him LLamars weapons or Josh Allen’s weapons and he’s not in the conversation.
Highest completion % in NFL history, 5-2 playoff record and could be 6-1 or better if not for KS Cheats. Yes, these are elite numbers.
That's what's wrong with a lot of these Sports shows because TJ is definitely on some biased Prejudice stuff he going to sit up there and say Baltimore trade Lamar for Joe Bell he out his mind and his whole family must have a history of mental health to say something like that
What has Joe Burrow done. Nothing.
The glaze is crazy
Money ruins the purity of athletics. Burrow, Chase, and Higgins were exciting and infectious out of love of the game and youthful desire to win. Something happens when a man locks down generational money, at least to most. Its the person that continues to have the true competitive nature that comes to inhabit an entire team with a champion spirit, that carries teams to championships year after year. Those guys end up as household names and hall of famers. Its a truly rare breed.
Shut up! Whites don't do nothing for free. Fake commit
Joe Burrow is Not Elite 😂😂
ELITE QBs:
P. Mahomes
J. Allen
L. Jackson
Lamar is mid at best. The ravens lose because of him, not win. His team is elite though. Actually watch him play qb, he's not that good, a bit above average. He's a great runner, and okish as a qb.
@@jameskottmann8018well Peyton Manning and Brady said he is, but I supposed to believe you a guy that works at Walmart lol? And if Allen and burrow are so elite why they don't have MVPs like Lamar?
@@jameskottmann8018And did you say that the ravens lose because of Lamar? LMAO they are under 500 without Lamar, in 2018 they were under 500 when Lamar took over, since then they win Three out of four games, dude you are just a miserable person
@@jameskottmann8018Ight u go do better lmao
@@RayWilson-bf5qz 💯
The problem with this Elite status is the media n the fans. This is what happens when u lower the bar so everyone can step over it. A qb or player strings together a few good games or 1 fantastic season n they are immediately elevated to elite status when in fact they are not. Every1 did this with jalen hurts because of 1 really good season. Elite is when some1 plays at a high level for an extended period of time. EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME!! This means years not 1 season or a few games.
Joe burrow = boomer esiaison🤔
Boomer won a MVP also ken Anderson
@@kasanova44burnPREACH! Look at how Burrow has performed since bleaching his hair to look like Boomer 0-3!
When I saw this the first time I set a reminder in my calendar to come back the day after the game… TJ put some respect on Lamar’s name. There is only one guy you would take over Lamar because of past success.
I need some besides a Bengals ex-player asked this question. He's a homer all day. If anything Cincy would want to trade for Lamar
Let’s be clear, I’m older…I remember how good TJ was and he’s much respected. But as a legit ravens fan we would NOT trade Lamar Jackson for Joe. Please TJ take your bias out and RELAX SMH LOL
Yo, why they keep letting Paul dress himself? 😂 get the man a stylist and stop playing. He’s a regular now
Lmfao lookin like he got a laser tag vest on😂😂
🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yooooooo
Chiefs, Texans, Bills, Ravens, Packers, Lions, Chargers and maybe a few other teams would not trade their QB one for one with the Bengals for Joe Burrow
Cincinnati Bengals defense
That defense played well vs pats and chiefs
@@bgstv10001 Sure as heck didnt vs one of the worst team in the NFL (Commanders)
@@RrRookiEeE read slowly I said pats and chiefs
@@bgstv10001 I know, read slowly what I said, "The sure as heck didn't play well vs one of the worst teams in the NFL (Commanders)".
Your rebuttle is irrelevant.
@@RrRookiEeE but I'm not talking about the commanders I stated the pats and chiefs. Reading is fundamental
That Lamar Disrespect is insane🤦♂️!!
Anybody who’s say Joe isn’t elite is either hating or clearly doesn’t know football.
Why cuz u said so?
Joe borrow wash
@@RrRookiEeE No because everything besides his individual play says he’s elite. The people playing against believes he’s elite. The Gms, scouts, execs, and owners in the nfl believes he’s elite. All evidence points to him being elite. Only people who hate on this guy says he’s not elite.
@@da-ms please actually sit down and watch football. His play on the field says the complete opposite. But I bet ur not going to do that. So just go look at his numbers and give 6 qbs with better numbers than him please?
@@513ovaeverything7 Ok then, since so many ppl say he's elite, show me.
Show me all these GM's, scouts, execs, and owners, who are groveling at Joe's feet, since they're so many. Give me a source to fact check, so I know its not just you making things up outta thin air.
And so that its not like always only Burrowheads think Burrow is top tier.
So when they go to the bowl and championship games it’s Borrow, but when they’re playing bad it’s not his fault……ok
This show is a waste 🗑 of air time now! If not for joy I would not even turn to the channel. Paul looks lost! Keyshawn talks over everyone, and Michael is Michael, lol.
I feel bad for Joy. She's great and has been left high and dry by whoever is producing this show.
@@kwoylee5617No she is not.
Joy don't know nothing about football. She just says tabloid things like is a player happy or off field bs
@andrewebb3283 I agree 👍 💯 with you! But I don't turn to the show to listen to her talking. I turn to the just to look at her, lol 😆 😂 🤣.
I think that Brock Purdy is an elite Quarterback in the NFL NOW!!! No.1 he's a remarkable story. to be last in the draft picked and to lead his team to the Super Bowl and almost....almost beat The world champs Chiefs in overtime....in a two-year period...THAT'S an Elite Quarterback...not to mention his QBR is above 110.9 this season in his 3rd season...that's an elite QB status. Now Joe Burrow being an elite Quarterback ...Absolutely. Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, hasn't won an AFC championship...only Joe Burrow...and none of them went to the Super Bowl......in two years in the NFL....Only Joe Burrow and Brock Purdy have won conference Championships and gone to the Super Bowl. they are Elite Quarterbacks....Both guys need their weapon and defenses to step up and play their high tier level which they haven't and that's why the teams are not winning.
THE JOE BURROW GLAZE IN THIS VIDEO IS AMAZING WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO SHOW FOR BEING SO ELITE AND BEATING PATTY ... NOTHING
The excuses y’all give Joe burrow is wild!!!! Any other QB this would be the end of the world
Joe Burrow will always be an elite passer but Bengals wil not win anything because they don't pay at other positions - WR, RB, etc. Lamar may not be as good a passer as Joe, but he is way more explosive as a dual-threat package.
29-26 career record...0-3 this season...yet yall STILL bringing up something HIS DEFENSE did 3 years ago....he's an AVERAGE JOE
The hate on Purdy!
The main reason I subscribe to this channel because Joy is so good at what she does. I love the other hosts and the conversations that develop on this show, but the way Joy manages things and expresses her views is fantastic. She is a top-notch pro at what she does. I'd love to see her in a J.B. or Curt Menefee role on a Sunday studio show.
THE RAVENS WOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER TRADE LAMAR FOR JOE BURR, NO FKKN SHOT DUDE
Joe Burrow is a career 500 record and they talk about him like he “HIM”
He went 1 overall yo a bad team 😂 it takes time to win games. Lamar and mahomes went to already established teams
mahomes josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are way better than joe burrow
Why would ravens trade for that statue of borrow ? Everybody in the league loves lamar Joe borrow was drafted high he supposed to be “ elite “ nobody expected lamar to be in this convo and he will win a sb before borrow . ,
Just remember there was a time when Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, and Golden Tate were all on the same team in their primes and they still didn’t do anything, takes more to win a ball game then elite players at the QB and WR positions. Sometimes there are just bad franchises.
The BENGALS played better with their backup last year than Burrow …but no one mentions this !
It’s called not having tape
Burrow gets these excuses but Lamar doesn’t
He just said the ravens would trade Lamar Jackson 😂
I know speak rating is not doing well with the original cast specially not that they got Keyshawn 🤦🏾
Tj glad to see you man, back at it.
And joy it do feel 10 yrs ago... All he do is be injured now.. nobody scared if him anymore💯
“The defense couldnt score” (huh?)
“Yeah” (agrees)
What does that mean??
Ha Stafford will smoke any of these qbs when u talkin arm talent💯
One thing Burrow doesn’t get enough credit for is being the most accurate qb EVER, he is the current record holder for highest career completion percentage.
No he's not Daniel's beat that on Monday night
People just hating Burrow ballin , can't help the defense is hurt
Joy 🔥
Purdy deserves MORE credit
Burrow does have 5 TDs 0 Ints, Allen has 7 TDs - 4 of which came against the atrocious Jags...just some perspective.
Can you say empty calorie stats
Jackson? Stroud? Allen? Prescott? Herbert? Purdy is 2-0 in the divisional round. Jackson 1-2; Stroud 0-1; Allen 1-3; Prescott 0-2 (Playing since 2016, elite?); Herbert’s never made it past the wild card. Purdy is 1-1 in conference finals. Which one of those so called elite QBs ever won one? Purdy is far superior. He made it to a Super Bowl before them all. Looking at the last 6 years it’s Mahomes and Stafford the champions. Burrow, Purdy, Hurts, etc Super Bowl QBs Rodgers, 2 conf finals. Allen, Jackson and the ones. Elite after the 1st 3 games gets you a pat on the back. Especially if you’ve only won 1 divisional game in 6 seasons. I’ve seen superior records than that.
Lmfao Lamar smashed that fool last year purdy plays in the nfc relax he wouldn’t survive in the afc
I don’t know what the criteria for elite is
But stafford is definitely that!
Every time I hear Key talk ball, im convinced more & more that he doesnt know ball
Everyone saying 5-8 in his last 13 games but he's also 17-8 in his last 25. Yes, he won the previous 12 games in a row before that "streak"
Joy over there reminiscing on Joe Burrow and how she can't forget about "what he did 3 & 4 years ago" give it up already.
Could you imagine if they defended Allen like they defend Burrow. .
Joe is elite! Facts!
Ok. It's a big deal for Joe Burrow to go to 2 AFC Championships and 1 SB; but not Brock Purdy....
Nobody wants to mention that Lamar didn’t wanna face Burrow in the playoffs when he had plenty of time to heal his knee.
Joy didn’t care about defense when it was about Justin Herbert. But now it’s about what else is happening on the team?
They said Burrow is on a bad team and he makes most of the money but he’s elite. All of these things don’t mix. If they were winning Burrow would get ALL the attention so when they are losing he needs all the bad attention.
I love how when someone like Justin Herbert is in discussion it’s all about wins and playoffs but when Joe Burrow can’t get wins it’s nothing but excuses. Excuses that people use to defend Justin Herbert that they all refute..
As a Qb yes your record counts. All other positions it wouldn’t but an elite qb will always have a winning record.
Yo, hate they way these media folk act like it’s strictly 2 qbs out there playing some 1v1 dude. There’s 10/11 more guys on each side of the mfn field.
This is crazy. They would never give another qb any of these excuses