If lamar was 1-4 It would be segments held about league catching up with him. Would be about his turnovers! Fumble, interceptions, settling for 3 points in redzone vs commanders and not showing up week 1!
The fact that Acho was basically about to say he was gonna light Lamar up if the Ravens lost Sunday, is wild. Bro hates Lamar and cant change my mind bout it
That would have been the 2nd time he lost to the Bengals on fumble by him, so it would have made sense to in on him if they lost. Turns out, Ravens got real lucky on that missed kicked.
@@tjayd1225Cuz he is. He earned the 2x MVP but then they put Joe borrow (1-4) and Josh Allen Mr 9/30 for 130 yards over him. Based on resume Lamar should be the undisputed 2nd best player but they put him 4 or 5
Here is the thing. Joe Borrow doesn’t deserve the blame but this is What the narratives would’ve been if it was Lamar 1-4. “Well Lamar had great stats but why did he turn the ball over at the end? He always choke in clutch moments” “The fact that the coach did 3run play and didn’t hand the ball to Lamar in the overtime what does it say about him? and us trusting his passing ability?” Josh Allen went 9/30 for 130 yards and the narrative all week been “How the coach play calling was bad and how his receivers were bad”
@@majestyzx9081 because we seen this narratives plenty of time. Ravens were 3-1 last season and they were questioning if the Ravens were getting their money worth out of Lamar. Even this season when the ravens were 0-2 acho was basically saying Lamar alredy is past his prime.
When Justin Hebert was throwing for all them yards and TDs n losing, despite horrific coaching and defense, he didn't get a pass, so no he doesn't get a pass
Lamar under performs in the playoffs, also doesn’t have success winning in the playoffs. Allen has numbers and playoff wins, burrow has stats and playoff wins
@@BigE526E I love how in week 5 you have to bring up playoff success. TBF Josh Allen beating the Steelers, Dolphins x2, and Colts in Wildcard weekend is hardly playoff success. I wish Lamar could play layups in wildcard week but he's secured the 1 seed twice now, more than both Josh and Joe, so straight to the divisional round to play real teams
@@salladiallo9766Lamar didn’t have no of that in college yet he still had a rank team. In to be fair Lamar Jackson is the reason for the ravens consistent running game. Just like with the commanders if your quarterback is a problem on every play. That will take pressure and eyes off the oline and running backs because defenses don’t want to over pursue just in case the quarterback take off with there speed
Chase said as a QB you're only as good as the pieces around you. So what does that say about Lamar who's never had a WR that's close to the caliber of Chase or Higgins.
Bengals never had a run game like the Ravens, or a tight end like Mark Andrews. Or a perennial top 8 defense like the Ravens. You want to paint a picture, use the entire canvas. Cherry picking one position is a terrible argument.
@@majestyzx9081That’s because Lamar was the run game. This is the first year that he will have a 1000 yard back. He’s lead his team in rushing ever year except this one. 2 of those years he didn’t finish the season, and still lead the team in rushing.
Dude was being honest and said when the Ravens were losing he couldn’t wait to get to work 😂😂 he had all his Shots loaded up to give Lamar all the SMOKE 💨💨
Acho told on himself with that one😂 He couldn’t WAIT to bash Lamar. But since it’s Joe, he’s asking if Joe should get a pass on the smoke he had for Lamar. Bro just ADMITTED he’s biased😂😂😂
Can’t stand how QBs have a W-L record attached to their name like starting pitchers do in baseball. It’s a TEAM sport! Burrow is the LEAST of the Bengals problems
QBs are the richest players in the league, the most important person on a field, a top 2 most important person in the building at all times and are glorified into idols. They 100% deserve the W-L record attached to their name
Because Qb's score the points.. If Burrow don't force that throw and get an INT .. the Ravens lose that game because it was back and forth the whole 2nd half.. but Bengals had 10 point lead.. all the Ravens needed to catch up was a turnover and Burrow gave it to them by forcing a bad throw.
bruh what are we talking about. James Jones just made up that entire scenario. His defense didn't cause a fumble, Lamar botched the snap. His coach ran the ball three times and the holder drop the ball on the missed FG and that's Joe Burrow fault??? Stop it.
@@damonearceneaux4422 if he didn't throw 5 TDs they would've been getting blown out. He is not responsible for the Raven being in the game, his defense is for giving up 40 points. Those dudes over there on NFL welfare collecting checks and not showing up and we blaming Burrow for the Ls. These ridiculous expectations are the fault of sports media. They only do this nonsense for clicks. They're also responsible for the unfair Lamar treatment too.
Bengals are literally the ‘21 Chargers. Offense was so good and Herbert was trailing Tom Brady in every category but the defense was literally last place and the Chargers went 9-8 and missed the playoffs. Guess who didn’t get a pass for their record?
@@michaelbrandon6789he’s talking about this crew mostly Acho who constantly criticizes Herbert and Lamar even when they do everything right but Burrow has gotten so many passes from Acho it’s ridiculous how bias he is
This is not a hot take or even any kind of take. Lamar got those 2 MVPs because he was clearly the most valuable player for his team, both times. Lamar didn't have star weapons but you see what he produced. Look at Josh Allen right now without star weapons. Mahomes is the only other qb in the league who can do it without star weapons
Joe hasn't lost them a game yet. He's not making losing plays. He IS like that and is always statistically high in major categories. His best trait was being far and away the best pure passer the game has.
I don’t understand what the argument is? Joe is a top 3 QB and the defense sucks. What’s the argument? You want Joe to play middle linebacker too? James Jones a Bengal hater and LaSean McCoy always hated the Bengals. I hope Joe goes on a 12 game winning streak and we can revisit this segment.
Joe Burrow doesn’t play DT or cornerback so you can’t hold him responsible. He has 12 passing touchdowns in the last 4 freaking game!! Scored 130 points in the last 4 games!! Cmon on now.
What are you talking about Patrick Mahomes is Lamar’s daddy😂😂😂😂 Lamar is three and seven in the playoffs fanboy😂 he has never even made it to a Super Bowl. Patrick has three rings.. only way Lamar is going to have a chance at a ring is if he goes and buys one or his daddy Patrick gets hurt for a season or just says this is too easy and retires😂😂😂
Joe Burrow is not the problem at all, I’m a Ravens fan first, but the problem is how the media pick and choose who they bash and when they do it. Last year Jalen Hurts was winning and putting up numbers and nothing was said. As soon as they started losing that’s all they talked about. Let Dak do anything other than win and he’ll be crushed by the media. Aaron Rodger’s is not performing good at all but no segments about him and to be honest he’s something from the past but I would agree if Lamar started 1-4 you would hear he’s not worth the money just like . They even started it this year with Lamar when he started 0-2 although it wasn’t because of his play by far. Come on these media people have to keep it real
Answer = *Not quite* . ► *Explanation* : Although Joe Burrow is a good quarterback, he has not met the [Football World's] standard for receiving a pass [for his team's 1-4 record]. So, if the Football World were to hand Burrow a pass then the Football World would be on trial (ie, not Joe Burrow). ► *Factual Background* : The Football World hasn't given passes to other good quarterbacks [for their team's losing records]. This is particularly the case when imperfections can be found in the QB's running game. More adroitly - and according to the Football World - a QB is undeserving of a pass if/when his team's running game isn't flawless. In other words, *the fair market value of a pass* is flawlessness [in the run game]. ► *Case-in-Point* : Lamar Jackson • Week 2: Lamar Jackson - despite having stellar stats - had a losing record (0-2). His team was 3rd in rushing.¹ • Football World: ' _Lamar Jackson is to blame. In fact, the Ravens need to fix Lamar Jackson's playing style_ .' • Week 5: Joe Burrow - despite having stellar stats - had a losing record (1-4). His team was 27th in rushing.¹ • Football World: ' _Joe Burrow deserves a pass. In fact, he is immune to criticism_ .' Exact Quotes:² " _Lamar Jackson needs to be under center. [Yet,] He's out there in shotgun; Derrick Henry is -- He would run bootlegs as well as anybody, but they don't put him under center. We've just become a copycat league. Get the quarterback -- Derek Carr [(ie, the model QB)] has been under center more than any quarterback in the league_ ." - Michael Lombardi, Expert Opinionist (Former NFL GM) _NFL on ESPN_ , 9/19/24 🏈Result: Since the Football World didn't give Lamar Jackson a pass then it's ill-positioned to give Joe Burrow a pass. Especially since: (a) Burrow's record is far more dire; and (b) Burrow's rushing attack is extraordinarily worse. 🏈Remember: The [discriminatory] passes that you hand out [to passers] won't pass muster. 🏈Request: Use the same metrics/standards to evaluate these players. ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ¹ Since Lamar Jackson's reign, the Ravens have had the league's top rushing attack. ¹ Since Joe Burrow's reign, contrarily, the Bengals have had [one-of] the league's worst rushing attacks. ² Similar/Identical sentiments were uttered by other pundits/gatekeepers (eg, Shannon Sharpe; Dan Orlovsky; etc.)
@@kobeobryant I concur with your observation, and I appreciate your comment. Broad Point: _Those who are passing out passes [to passers] must pass them out equally; otherwise, their passes won't pass muster_ Narrow Point: Since the Football World didn't give Lamar Jackson a pass, then the Football World isn't in the position to give Joe Burrow a pass (especially considering the disparity in success [between the two passers]). Peace
No pass. He's responsible for 2 of the 4 losses. His bad play led to a loss against NE. His bad decision-making led to an INT at the end of regulation against Baltimore. In OT against Baltimore, he audibled out of a pass play to set his kicker up for a 50+ yard FG attempt he subsequently missed. His lack of locker room leadership has resulted in his teammates repeatedly giving bulletin board material to opponents that backfires. Chase cost his team the game against KC. Burrow had to address it when it was too late on the field because he isn't proactively addressing it behind the scenes. Chase even said he wishes Burrow was a more vocal leader. He's Kirk Cousins with more arm talent. He's just another dude on the roster. He doesn't have Mahomes leadership or presence. He has a career losing record against teams over .500. He can't win consistently with adversity like Mahomes.
To lead your team to back to back afc championship games means you have leadership in the locker room bro,you just one of dem mfs dat been waiting for burrow to lose, I wonder did u say this about him when he led his team to back to back afc championship and a super bowl
@@devoraxfrancis8017He only went to back to back championships Because Lamar was hurt. Bro you one of them mofos that don’t like to think about the whole situation when it don’t fit your narrative. Now go look at who was leading the division and the conference those years Joe went.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m yes, it’s a TEAM sport, they got their together, but for burrow to come off a acl injury in his rookie year and to come back and take his team to the his Super Bowl is special bro, just imagine if he won it,
@@Brickwilliamsand as bad as that defense is he would be 3-2 if he didn’t turn the ball over in both his biggest games this year in the 4th quarter.can u comprehend that? And that’s with 32nd defense
@@HollyG95 wow he isn’t allowed to make one mistake…… throws for 392 and 5 tds, one mistake all game and still his fault when his defense makes 5 mistakes per drive. Racist bum
@@Brickwilliams racist? Bum? lol get out ya emotions. His mistake in the 4th quarter lost them the lead and the game. If it had been Lamar they would have killed him just like acho said in this clip!!! I like burrow so it’s no hate I actually think the bengals going to turn it around and make playoffs as a wild card. All I’m saying is call it fair on both sides. Nothing racist about that, clown
@StepBlvck no it wouldn't. Pls shut up about Lamar. Nobody cares about that playoff choker. Bunch of cry babies want him to be a victim so bad and it's beyond cringey. Burrow has had better seasons than Lamar had last year and no mvp for burrow. Don't see me complaining
Is it Joe Burrow's fault that the Bengals holder dropped the ball on the field goal attempt?....Is it Joe Burrow's fault that Derrick Henry broke off that long run against his defense in OT?...The Joe Burrow criticism is getting out of hand now...Yall Lamar fans are hypocrites because if Lamar had Joe's stats and the ravens were 1-4, yall would be screaming how it's not his fault
@@dparks2856if you understand football, you would understand that jamarre chase has to fight to get in better position for the ball, he gave poor effort to catch the slant
Is it Joe Burrow’s fault he’s 1-5 against Lamar Jackson? And if not whose fault is it? I’m not attacking him I’d just like to know where to put the blame?
The difference is when Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, and Josh Allen go 1-4 they not puttin up 5 TDs and damn near 400yrds. I can't believe what im hearing right now, and these guys supposed to be professionals. This the most hating sht i ever heard in my life. This man is playin better than any other QB in the league right now, including patrick mahomes, and they still sayin its his fault smh 🤦🏾♂️
Shut up don’t nobody want to hear those excuses Lamar threw for 359 yards against the dolphins in 2022 3tds 70 yard td run so 4 tds guess what his defense couldn’t stop them so he lost so shut up with the excuses
When ravens was 0-2 and Lamar was over 300 total yds per game this show was killing him…Lamar defense gave up 15 pt 4th quarter lead but it was all Lamar’s fault. All people saying is treat all the QBs the same. Lamar just put up 400 total yds and 4 tDs but did u not hear Acho say when Lamar fumbled he couldn’t wait to get on the show and call him out. He didn’t blame defense or care about his stats. Why are we doing it for burrow then? Also, I wouldn’t blame burrow either except for the fact that his late game INT cost them the game.
I am a Joe Burrow fan too, and it is unfortunate but it's reality. The better you are, the higher the expectations, the smaller the margin of error of is for you, simple as that. Because we expect Joe Burrow to be MVP and lead his team to Super Bowls, the margin of error is so small for him. It's unfortunate because it seems like most of their losses comes down to one bad play by him, just one. 49 good/great plays out of 50, but that one is the difference between a win and a loss. The Bengals are obviously not built to go through the adversity. We just watched Dak throw 3 picks on Sunday night and they still won the game. If that last pass is dropped or deflected, Dak is the joke of the week. Instead, the pass is completed and nobody cares about those 3 picks. the Bengals holder fumbles the ball, they miss the kick, and now Joe Burrows stats mean nothing, just like that. That's the reality of football. Dallas' defense kept the game close enough to give Dak another chance, the Bengals aren't built like that. Unfortunate for Burrow, but he does have to play perfect. it's just the reality of the situation.
Formula has never changed for QB's in the NFL. Goal is to win a SuperBowl. Pass or Fail I don't understand. This is a talk show not a sports center. Man made up fake stats about Bengals being dead last in defense. No, ranked 26th in the NFL. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady already explained that winning in this league comes down to 3 or 4 plays in almost every game.
@@treyematthews865 yes it does. When the ravens win Lamar gets the glory and when the ravens lose Lamar get the blame. so let’s just say it depends on the quarterback and the team. We are so selective and our criticism.
@@Judah_76 ok I feel bad for Lamar if that’s true, however it literally makes zero sense to blame burrow. I would like to know you logic behind blaming burrow besides the fact Lamar gets blamed so he should too
It certainly is not burrows fault he's playing fantastic. He is the best pocket quarterback in football and has been for a few years other than injury year. Put up 38 points and lose it is not the QB's fault. Get real these are just stupid arguments. You guy's are a bunch of hacks. I will say it one more time any QB that throws up 38 points should not lose the game. It is the Defense period and I don't care about a mistake or two by Joe. That is like pitcher against pitcher in baseball it is and always was a dumb argument.
If any of those QBs names played that well they would get passes! They would be saying he need help from the defense. It’s like they move goal posts depending on who they like. James is Rodgers, Chase is pretty fair, Acho is Purdy, Shady is Hurts.
chiefs fan here. the logic of not giving Burrow a pass because they wouldnt give lamar a pass if it was him is stupid and emotional. Burrow obviously gets a pass. this is not basketball, everyone on the field has a job to do and the QB can play lights out and still lose games if other positional players do not hold up their own, especially in close games. Burrow is statistically the best QB in the league as of right now.
As a chiefs fan to Lamar excuse makes no sense if Lamar was 12 tds and 2 ints and 1 and 4 I wouldnt blame Lamar if his defense was giving up 30 a game if burrow had a elite defense prolly at least 3 and 2 don't like burrow but really can't blame him for a historically bad defense
It is a team game but these lazy analysts blame the QBs every week for winning and losing so u can’t change now. As a chiefs can I should know especially in the playoffs yall defense be playing good but who gets all the credit? When Brady was winning SBs his defense played great most the time but who got the credit? Keep it consistent like James was saying..also with all that being said 2 of the losses including last one if burrow doesn’t make a mistake at end of game they win. How can I give u a pass when it was his late fumble vs the chiefs and INT vs Ravens that helped them lose. If Lamar played good and had late turnover (even tho his defense was bad as well) people would only blame Lamar. Just like when acho said Lamar fumbled he said he was hype to come in and blame Lamar after up til then Lamar played a good game.
He did throw a pick to let the ravens tie the game after being up 10+ 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter… He dos fumble the ball against the chiefs, they let yall back in the game.. yall talking about stats, WATCH THE GAME
As a Bengals fan, I got to say they are right. If you don't win the game, you didn't have a good game. The ONLY thing that matters, is did you win or not.
Facility cmon it’s a team sport Joe Burrow has been doing his job it’s the defense that’s letting the team down there’s QBs that doing worst individually with better records
Everybody's talking about how bad Cincinnati's defense was how the Baltimore Ravens picked apart to Cincinnati Bengals defense but no one's talking about how the Cincinnati Bengals picked apart the Baltimore Ravens defense.
Blaming any qb w this statline is just fundamental lack of understanding “team sports” or you’re a hater, simple as that. If Aaron Rodgers was playing like burrow but GB or the jets were 1-4 James would be giving out passes the whole show. Chase the only one using his brain, they tryna pile on Joe for other ppl’s bashing of Lamar
Ikr Chase is the only one using his brain on this show. If their iq was high enough they’d realize it’s not Joe’s fault he’s 1-5 against Lamar, it’s the bengals defense’s fault he’s 1-5 against Lamar.
So basically these guys are saying that Joe burrow has to play perfect and other qbs don’t. These are just black analysts, well really athletes defending a black qb😂
It’s crazy because the mistakes they are pointing out Joe burrow made in the chiefs game and ravens game, Lamar and Mahomes made them same mistakes in the same game. Joe burrow threw a pick it led to a field goal attempt that was made. Lamar fumbled it led to a field goal attempt where the holder couldn’t handle the ball. Joe Burrows fumbled led to a touchdown against the chiefs. Patrick Mahomes threw an interception directly at a bengals player it led to a touchdown. Joe burrow had to play perfect the opposite qb doesn’t.
Nah they saying when your team is up 3 with 3 minutes to go and if you throw an int that lead to the game tying FG that’s in you. When you get the ball back with 1:30 left in the 4th and don’t lead your team to a GW drive it’s on Joe.
An Elite QB has to overcome the challenges his team faces. If his team is ok, then he only has to overcome some challenges. If his team is trash, then he has a bigger burden to overcome. It ain't fair, it's football. The year Burrow went to the SB he did it with this team, and since the he's been meh. Can you do it again or were you a flash in the pan? Nobody cared last year that Eagles had a bad defense or had injuries... they said Jalen Hurts fell off and is not elite despite having gone to SB the year before. So I need you to have that same energy for Burrow. He's good but not a difference maker anymore.
After losing in Pittsburgh last season, Stephen A sat there and questioned whether Lamar was worth his contract. The ravens were 3-2. After starting 0-2 this season he did the exact same thing. Lamar gets no pass whenever results go against him. It’s like the 2 MVP awards count for nothing. I have no problem with critique for the playoff loss last year, or the L vs the titans in 2020, or the L vs Buffalo in 2021. But anything outside of that is crazy talk imo
I’ve said this before. Joe Burrow will have a Dan Marino type of career. One superbowl appearance and smash multiple throwing records. He’ll do this despite horrible head coaching on offense and defense. He’s pretty damn special.
People who try to blame Joe Burrow for this can’t be taken seriously. I would bet any money if they were on his team and a defensive player said anything negative about the QB they would be ready to fight. Lol If the Head Coach asked them what’s the problem nobody on the team would say the QB.
@HollyG95 Baker has thrown 2 interceptions all year, both of which were in the first half, and they only lost one of those games. The game they did lose was not because of a INT in the 2nd quarter. So I'm not sure wtf you're talking about lol
This is why most nfl players can’t be sport commentator they have zero nuance and don’t understand context or ignore it. James Jones is the same guy that said wins aren’t a quarterback stat but put all the blame on the qb even tho he did his job. Like bill bellicheck said do your job and the defense didn’t do there job all game long and the kicker didn’t do his job. It a team and this team isn’t very good but joe making it look good.
Was “ready to give it to Lamar when he fumbled”. But has BARELY mentioned the INT! He doesn’t even acknowledge it after Shady brings it up!!!!! No interception, no chance for the kicker to miss the kick.
@@JordanT3025 it would matter if it were Lamar. The conversation would be, “If Lamar doesn’t throw the INT in regulation, Tucker wouldn’t have been put in that position.” Dude said the quiet part out loud. He WANTED to rip Lamar soooooo bad, but couldn’t because he won. There is clear bias in him and other media.
@@philblack3756 what are you even talking about. Tucker was put in the posting to win the game 😂. How many teams get a few wins because of their kicker. And yes if your QB losses the turnover battle then it is your fault but in the bengals and ravens game not QBs made turnovers and Lamar easily had the worse one.
@@JordanT3025 what makes Lamar’s worse? Burrow HAD THE LEAD WITH THE BALL IN HIS HAND!!! Then he literally tried to force the throw to Chase! They both played great games. But to try and suggest Burrow was better simply because he had a few more passing yards and one more TD is insane. Because truth be told, that last TD was ALL Chase. The ball was basically a long handoff that he took to the house.
What is he talking about? The defense is letting him down that’s not an opinion. That’s a fact angles are not going anywhere. You can’t win with the defense like that.😂
No one is giving burrow a pass but what people should be talking bout is the bengals defense and how historically bad they are, you could put pat on the bengals and they would still lose with this defense 😂😂
Bengals fan. Gotta agree with JJ and shady. Burrow had the ball in his hands to put the Chiefs away and failed. Burrow had the ball in his hands to put the Ravens away and failed. If he's "joe brrr" Bengals should be at least 3-2
Lamar was running around like it was recess and he was fresh off of detention. That ain't got nothing to do with Joe. He doing his job. Them fools on the defense need to be answering the reporters questions.
Everyone saying Lamar doesn’t have Higgins and Chase, as if Lamar doesn’t have the better coach, better oline throughout his career, better defense and the best run game in the league that forces run focused defensive schemes with stacked boxes that leave soft zones for any QB to pick apart.
Everyone wants to have it both ways with Burrow. His numbers weren't great when he "led" the Bengals to the Superbowl. So now that they're losing, it's shifted to "but his numbers!"
Nope, you can't give him all the credit when they win, but try to mention his teammates when he can't win. I was told that he was the next Tom Brady, I was told that he was better than Mahomes 🤷
I feel Justin Herbert never had a good team and he doesn’t get the type of excuse burrow gets, seems like everyone just hanging on to that Super Bowl run the bengals had
Meanwhile.... the Broncos are 3-2 while Bo Nix is objectively the worst statistical quarterback by every measure. Moral of the story: Football is a team game!!!!!!
This is Joe's best year statistically but according to shady he lost it. Gtfoh. Every game has been one score. If the defense makes a play and the holder snaps the ball correct, the conversation is Joe for MVP.
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Thefacilty nobody gives a dam who yall are giving a pass lol talking head ole bums
It's always a hater 😂
If lamar was 1-4
It would be segments held about league catching up with him.
Would be about his turnovers!
Fumble, interceptions, settling for 3 points in redzone vs commanders and not showing up week 1!
and much worse.
If that was Lamar y'all have a steak, knife, fork, wine 🍷 and napkins around your necks.🤷🏿♂️🤔
They had those segments when he was 0-1 losing by a toe on this very show talking about how mobile QBs peak in year 4-5
They gave him 2 mvps wtf are you talking about
@@Brickwilliams Don't act oblivious. You know the talk would be different if this were Lamar.
The fact that Acho was basically about to say he was gonna light Lamar up if the Ravens lost Sunday, is wild. Bro hates Lamar and cant change my mind bout it
💯💯💯 glad u caught that
Right wtf is that they waiting to bash the dude 😂😂
That would have been the 2nd time he lost to the Bengals on fumble by him, so it would have made sense to in on him if they lost. Turns out, Ravens got real lucky on that missed kicked.
That's why they can miss me with fake adulation when he wins a game. They're just itching for him to lose again so they pounce.
@@malcolmmatthews5876 the fact that he a black man hating on another because his career was a bust tells me all I need to know 🤷🏿♂️
Would yall be giving Lamar a pass? NO
Why yall be tryna make a 2 time mvp top 5 player In football a victim constantly?
@@tjayd1225Cuz he is. He earned the 2x MVP but then they put Joe borrow (1-4) and Josh Allen Mr 9/30 for 130 yards over him. Based on resume Lamar should be the undisputed 2nd best player but they put him 4 or 5
Lamar don’t get a pass because he hasn’t beat Mahomes in the playoffs. This year it might change though.
Did they?
@@tjayd1225 as soon as the ravens lose a game it’s “his fault”. As soon as another QB loses it’s always an excuse.
Here is the thing. Joe Borrow doesn’t deserve the blame but this is What the narratives would’ve been if it was Lamar 1-4.
“Well Lamar had great stats but why did he turn the ball over at the end? He always choke in clutch moments”
“The fact that the coach did 3run play and didn’t hand the ball to Lamar in the overtime what does it say about him? and us trusting his passing ability?”
Josh Allen went 9/30 for 130 yards and the narrative all week been
“How the coach play calling was bad and how his receivers were bad”
The victim complex is strong with this one.
@@majestyzx9081The facts deflecting complex is even stronger
@@Messigoat1033 when u will get it’s because of Lamar’s playoff resume
@@Messigoat1033What facts? You're creating a headcanon "What-if" scenario.
That's literally fiction. Fiction is fiction, not "alternative facts".
@@majestyzx9081 because we seen this narratives plenty of time. Ravens were 3-1 last season and they were questioning if the Ravens were getting their money worth out of Lamar.
Even this season when the ravens were 0-2 acho was basically saying Lamar alredy is past his prime.
When Justin Hebert was throwing for all them yards and TDs n losing, despite horrific coaching and defense, he didn't get a pass, so no he doesn't get a pass
he always gets a pass tf you mean 💀
@@Nickthegoatyt2 I meant from them on the show, not the general public
Herbert is a better QB. That's why people who know ball were roasting him.. despite his team being trash 🗑️
Nobody care if Herbert win or lose lol
@@FadedWill_97 oh okay i just mean everyone hypes him up to be a top 5-10 qb so he deserves the same treatment
So why do they always try to say Josh better than Lamar. Stats wise Josh is. Winning wise Lamar is. And Lamar got 2 MVPs
Because Josh does both
@@masterleefvr1767 so does Lamar. Lamar also has mvps
@@masterleefvr1767both what? 😂 can’t be talking about winning.
When they say "wins" really they're just talking about playoff wins.
@@FreshmanFrenzy he does win in the playoffs. He has 5 playoff wins. That's actually pretty good if you compare him to his contemporaries
James Jones never criticizes Rodgers so i can't hear him talk about any other QB needing to be criticized
Jones and rodgers are filming brokeback mountain 2 atm a d pat mcafee is diector
@@michaelroelant7134 🤣🤣I believe it
James jones played wit rodgers
Super Bowls winners earn that cache
Yeah, i agree with JJ, but can never say that about rodgers.
Yall wouldn't give Lamar a pass...allen and burrow only ones media protect smh..do better
Lamar under performs in the playoffs, also doesn’t have success winning in the playoffs. Allen has numbers and playoff wins, burrow has stats and playoff wins
@@BigE526Eneither have a SB josh hasn’t been any further then Lamar 😂
@@BigE526E I love how in week 5 you have to bring up playoff success. TBF Josh Allen beating the Steelers, Dolphins x2, and Colts in Wildcard weekend is hardly playoff success. I wish Lamar could play layups in wildcard week but he's secured the 1 seed twice now, more than both Josh and Joe, so straight to the divisional round to play real teams
@@JT2327 brother the titains twice are playoff layups Lmfao and remember Josh Allen beat lamar in the playoffs, lock in
@@michaelnance8917 Lamar is 2-5 in the playoffs, Josh is 4-3 and one of those wins is against lamar, lost twice to KC and once to the bengals
James Jones is critical of anyone not named Aaron Rodgers lol
He meat riding rodgers like always
Naw he said Rodger’s was playing trash lately
Lamar Jackson ain't NEVER had a player like JaMarr Chase...or Tee Higgins....and he got BOTH!!!!! Man, DAMN!!!!
And what if lamar had chase what would he do?run to him instead of throwing...
@michaelroelant7134 he threw 4 TD'S and won. Repeating the same robotic text 🤖
@@michaelroelant7134Throw him a screen & let chase take it 70 yards like he just did with Burrow smart guy
Joe never had a defense , an offensive line and a consistent running game like Lamar Jackson.
@@salladiallo9766Lamar didn’t have no of that in college yet he still had a rank team. In to be fair Lamar Jackson is the reason for the ravens consistent running game. Just like with the commanders if your quarterback is a problem on every play. That will take pressure and eyes off the oline and running backs because defenses don’t want to over pursue just in case the quarterback take off with there speed
It's genuinely embarrassing that these idiots vote on MVP.
Chase said as a QB you're only as good as the pieces around you. So what does that say about Lamar who's never had a WR that's close to the caliber of Chase or Higgins.
Bengals never had a run game like the Ravens, or a tight end like Mark Andrews. Or a perennial top 8 defense like the Ravens.
You want to paint a picture, use the entire canvas. Cherry picking one position is a terrible argument.
@@majestyzx9081That’s because Lamar was the run game. This is the first year that he will have a 1000 yard back. He’s lead his team in rushing ever year except this one. 2 of those years he didn’t finish the season, and still lead the team in rushing.
@@majestyzx9081Joe Mixon ran for a 1000 yards 3x while Burrow has been there.
@@majestyzx9081Why are you bringing up the Ravens run game when Lamar has been the leading rusher every season since 2019? Lol
@@DarrylJones-jc7wq still cherry picking. You didn't mention the defense
Dude was being honest and said when the Ravens were losing he couldn’t wait to get to work 😂😂 he had all his Shots loaded up to give Lamar all the SMOKE 💨💨
Right smh
Acho told on himself with that one😂 He couldn’t WAIT to bash Lamar. But since it’s Joe, he’s asking if Joe should get a pass on the smoke he had for Lamar. Bro just ADMITTED he’s biased😂😂😂
Can’t stand how QBs have a W-L record attached to their name like starting pitchers do in baseball. It’s a TEAM sport! Burrow is the LEAST of the Bengals problems
Exactly. Wins are a team stat. Burrow could be a little better I guess but bengals have bigger problems.
QBs are the richest players in the league, the most important person on a field, a top 2 most important person in the building at all times and are glorified into idols. They 100% deserve the W-L record attached to their name
Because Qb's score the points.. If Burrow don't force that throw and get an INT .. the Ravens lose that game because it was back and forth the whole 2nd half.. but Bengals had 10 point lead.. all the Ravens needed to catch up was a turnover and Burrow gave it to them by forcing a bad throw.
They are paid top dollar to win not put up stats.
The quarterback is getting paid 55 million a year and y’all wanna blame the defense.
bruh what are we talking about. James Jones just made up that entire scenario. His defense didn't cause a fumble, Lamar botched the snap. His coach ran the ball three times and the holder drop the ball on the missed FG and that's Joe Burrow fault??? Stop it.
True but who throw the pick when cincy was up, that allowed the ravens to get back in the game
@@damonearceneaux4422 if he didn't throw 5 TDs they would've been getting blown out. He is not responsible for the Raven being in the game, his defense is for giving up 40 points. Those dudes over there on NFL welfare collecting checks and not showing up and we blaming Burrow for the Ls. These ridiculous expectations are the fault of sports media. They only do this nonsense for clicks. They're also responsible for the unfair Lamar treatment too.
@@nathanroyster1324 all facts bro
Burrow doing everything he need to do
As a chief fan yes he is it´s the defense
Except win.
@@michaelroelant7134So it’s the defense fault that Joe and the offense make critical mistakes.
Sure blame the defense. That’s why Joe is 1-5 against Lamar, bc of his defense every time.
What's crazy is it took 3 days to address it on here. Yall talked DAk int in win more than Joe's in a loss.
Bengals are literally the ‘21 Chargers. Offense was so good and Herbert was trailing Tom Brady in every category but the defense was literally last place and the Chargers went 9-8 and missed the playoffs. Guess who didn’t get a pass for their record?
You have a bad memory . Nobody, and I mean nobody was blaming Herbert
@@michaelbrandon6789he’s talking about this crew mostly Acho who constantly criticizes Herbert and Lamar even when they do everything right but Burrow has gotten so many passes from Acho it’s ridiculous how bias he is
Bro everyone looking at chase like “ we left joy for this guy ????”””
If the refs called that blatant face mask on mark andrews then the game would’ve been over chase. No OT
If joe dont throw it to marlon so what you saying?
@@LamarWorld-m5t Ding 🛎️ Ding 🛎️ You basically answered the question. Joe deserve the blame. 😅 easy trap
If Lamar dont fumble ……
@LamarWorld-m5t lmao that's the player making a mistake, not the same as a ref missing an easy call
@@Hopkins8564shouldn't have happened. Should have never been in ot. That's the point of the comment
Shady just cant help himself hating on Justin Fields.
Bruh!!! He slid that man's name in there so smooth lol
@@haroldbrown6173 lol then he will say his on hating.
Hot take. Lamar doesnt get as much hate as yall say. The dudes a 2 time mvp, an award that is essentially a popularity contest.
This is not a hot take or even any kind of take. Lamar got those 2 MVPs because he was clearly the most valuable player for his team, both times. Lamar didn't have star weapons but you see what he produced. Look at Josh Allen right now without star weapons. Mahomes is the only other qb in the league who can do it without star weapons
The glazing of burrow is crazy
This is stupid. ANY qb that throws for 1370 yards, 12 td, 2 int should not be blamed for 1-4 when teams are putting up 30+ points on their defense.
Mahomes had a worse defense and still was winnin🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
If only that happened with ALL qbs
Burrow getting 200M&Ms i don’t wanna hear nothing
@@Ekleaz mahomes does not have a worse defense? cinci has the 31st worst defense in the league. only the panthers are worse.
Mahomes never had the worst defense in the entire league stop it
Man I’m surprised acho didn’t give him a pass because when Herbert was playin good but losing he was on his neck
The dude on the far right has absolutely zero ball knowledge. Incredibly inaccurate on multiple takes. Embarrassing.
Yo, James Jones whole demeanor had me 💀
Joe hasn't lost them a game yet. He's not making losing plays. He IS like that and is always statistically high in major categories. His best trait was being far and away the best pure passer the game has.
He literally threw the game winning interception lol
@@lornegreen6755 he literally didn’t. That INT didn’t win the game. CIN had multiple chances to close it out even after the int
I don’t understand what the argument is? Joe is a top 3 QB and the defense sucks. What’s the argument? You want Joe to play middle linebacker too? James Jones a Bengal hater and LaSean McCoy always hated the Bengals. I hope Joe goes on a 12 game winning streak and we can revisit this segment.
The Bengals defense has given up more pts per drive than any other Bengal team this decade. C'mon man.
I haven't watched any Bengals games but it sounds like the defense sucks. He can't play both sides of the ball.
He can take care of the football and handle his business on offense.
Joe Burrow doesn’t play DT or cornerback so you can’t hold him responsible. He has 12 passing touchdowns in the last 4 freaking game!! Scored 130 points in the last 4 games!! Cmon on now.
Ikr that’s what I’m saying. C’mon ppl it’s not Joe’s fault he’s 1-5 against Lamar. It’s his defense’s fault.
Burrow and the offense scored on EVERY SINGLE POSSESSION against Washington, and he’s played great in 4 of 5 games. Their defense is just that bad!
2/4 in the red zone against Washington? And you said he played great but did he make winning plays?
But won't lose to no Commanders with a rookie QB
Why is everyone tryna keep lamar as a victim LMAO😭
Are you slow? Do you watch Media? Lamar was 3-2 last year and they said he didn’t deserve his money.. Joe is 1-4!
You clearly don’t watch sports TV cause if you did you wouldn’t ask that question
Lamar Jackson fans are like Embiid fans they need to fell like the victims for some reason.
@@mattmmixes comparing Lamar and Embiid doesn’t even make sense in the first place
@@mattmmixeslamar is luka 26y 2× mvp
Lamar is James harden, Burrow is Jimmy Butler, and Josh Allen is steve nash. They all competing for second place so who cares about them😭
Holy d*** munching..... Dust your knees off when you're done
What are you talking about Patrick Mahomes is Lamar’s daddy😂😂😂😂 Lamar is three and seven in the playoffs fanboy😂 he has never even made it to a Super Bowl. Patrick has three rings.. only way Lamar is going to have a chance at a ring is if he goes and buys one or his daddy Patrick gets hurt for a season or just says this is too easy and retires😂😂😂
Don't disrespect Nash, 2XMVP
Josh Allen more like Paul George
Lamar is 26 hes luka even better he got 2 mvp
Why wouldn’t you give any of those QBs a pass if they were 1-4??? Because they aren’t playing like Burrow! How hard is that to understand???
OMG what's new Burrow praise even though he's 1-4 and will miss the playoffs again ....Lamar would never get this pass
Cuz of their playoff resumes
Because Lamar is HALF the QB burrow is? Lamar is literally trash man , I don’t get it .
@@kenkaneki1522literally trash is wild 😂 rage bate comment
@@CoachRJ334 if Lamar wasn't terrible in the postseason, he'd get a pass..the fact he's sucked in 6 playoff games is why he's criticized
@@shauryasati947 bro burrow went to the bowl 1 time do what is the excuse that they don’t give hurtz passes?
As a Ravens fan, Joe Burrow is not the problem. He gets a pass.
He is the problem.
Nah 👎 no pass.
He a part of the problem. They would be 3-2 if not for his late game turnovers
Nah nah my fellow flock brother…don’t give him no pass AT ALL
As a Burrow fan. He fumbled and lost the game against the Chiefs, he was bad in the first week as well.
Man I was confused seeing this, not knowing y’all changed undisputed into the facility lol
Bro missed EVERYTHING
Joe Burrow is not the problem at all, I’m a Ravens fan first, but the problem is how the media pick and choose who they bash and when they do it. Last year Jalen Hurts was winning and putting up numbers and nothing was said. As soon as they started losing that’s all they talked about. Let Dak do anything other than win and he’ll be crushed by the media. Aaron Rodger’s is not performing good at all but no segments about him and to be honest he’s something from the past but I would agree if Lamar started 1-4 you would hear he’s not worth the money just like . They even started it this year with Lamar when he started 0-2 although it wasn’t because of his play by far. Come on these media people have to keep it real
Answer = *Not quite* .
► *Explanation* : Although Joe Burrow is a good quarterback, he has not met the [Football World's] standard for receiving a pass [for his team's 1-4 record]. So, if the Football World were to hand Burrow a pass then the Football World would be on trial (ie, not Joe Burrow).
► *Factual Background* : The Football World hasn't given passes to other good quarterbacks [for their team's losing records]. This is particularly the case when imperfections can be found in the QB's running game. More adroitly - and according to the Football World - a QB is undeserving of a pass if/when his team's running game isn't flawless. In other words, *the fair market value of a pass* is flawlessness [in the run game].
► *Case-in-Point* : Lamar Jackson
• Week 2: Lamar Jackson - despite having stellar stats - had a losing record (0-2). His team was 3rd in rushing.¹
• Football World: ' _Lamar Jackson is to blame. In fact, the Ravens need to fix Lamar Jackson's playing style_ .'
• Week 5: Joe Burrow - despite having stellar stats - had a losing record (1-4). His team was 27th in rushing.¹
• Football World: ' _Joe Burrow deserves a pass. In fact, he is immune to criticism_ .'
Exact Quotes:²
" _Lamar Jackson needs to be under center. [Yet,] He's out there in shotgun; Derrick Henry is -- He would run bootlegs as well as anybody, but they don't put him under center. We've just become a copycat league. Get the quarterback -- Derek Carr [(ie, the model QB)] has been under center more than any quarterback in the league_ ."
- Michael Lombardi, Expert Opinionist (Former NFL GM) _NFL on ESPN_ , 9/19/24
🏈Result: Since the Football World didn't give Lamar Jackson a pass then it's ill-positioned to give Joe Burrow a pass. Especially since: (a) Burrow's record is far more dire; and (b) Burrow's rushing attack is extraordinarily worse.
🏈Remember: The [discriminatory] passes that you hand out [to passers] won't pass muster.
🏈Request: Use the same metrics/standards to evaluate these players.
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¹ Since Lamar Jackson's reign, the Ravens have had the league's top rushing attack.
¹ Since Joe Burrow's reign, contrarily, the Bengals have had [one-of] the league's worst rushing attacks.
² Similar/Identical sentiments were uttered by other pundits/gatekeepers (eg, Shannon Sharpe; Dan Orlovsky; etc.)
Just here to let you know that nobody‘s reading all that. Have a good one
@@kobeobryant I concur with your observation, and I appreciate your comment.
Broad Point: _Those who are passing out passes [to passers] must pass them out equally; otherwise, their passes won't pass muster_
Narrow Point: Since the Football World didn't give Lamar Jackson a pass, then the Football World isn't in the position to give Joe Burrow a pass (especially considering the disparity in success [between the two passers]).
Peace
The issue I see here is that burrow doesn't have an Andy Reid or bellicheck working alongside him,he is expected to perform miracles single handedly.
No pass. He's responsible for 2 of the 4 losses. His bad play led to a loss against NE. His bad decision-making led to an INT at the end of regulation against Baltimore. In OT against Baltimore, he audibled out of a pass play to set his kicker up for a 50+ yard FG attempt he subsequently missed. His lack of locker room leadership has resulted in his teammates repeatedly giving bulletin board material to opponents that backfires. Chase cost his team the game against KC. Burrow had to address it when it was too late on the field because he isn't proactively addressing it behind the scenes. Chase even said he wishes Burrow was a more vocal leader. He's Kirk Cousins with more arm talent. He's just another dude on the roster. He doesn't have Mahomes leadership or presence. He has a career losing record against teams over .500. He can't win consistently with adversity like Mahomes.
For nah he’s responsible for 4 of the losses
To lead your team to back to back afc championship games means you have leadership in the locker room bro,you just one of dem mfs dat been waiting for burrow to lose, I wonder did u say this about him when he led his team to back to back afc championship and a super bowl
@@devoraxfrancis8017He only went to back to back championships Because Lamar was hurt. Bro you one of them mofos that don’t like to think about the whole situation when it don’t fit your narrative. Now go look at who was leading the division and the conference those years Joe went.
@@devoraxfrancis8017 So the kicker and defense doesn’t play any part in that?
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m yes, it’s a TEAM sport, they got their together, but for burrow to come off a acl injury in his rookie year and to come back and take his team to the his Super Bowl is special bro, just imagine if he won it,
they paying him to be a winner n he’s losing. where’s the disconnect?
He has the 31st worst defense in the league, there ya go I know you’re slow but I hope you can comprehend this
@@Brickwilliamsand as bad as that defense is he would be 3-2 if he didn’t turn the ball over in both his biggest games this year in the 4th quarter.can u comprehend that? And that’s with 32nd defense
@@HollyG95 wow he isn’t allowed to make one mistake…… throws for 392 and 5 tds, one mistake all game and still his fault when his defense makes 5 mistakes per drive. Racist bum
@@Brickwilliams racist? Bum? lol get out ya emotions. His mistake in the 4th quarter lost them the lead and the game. If it had been Lamar they would have killed him just like acho said in this clip!!! I like burrow so it’s no hate I actually think the bengals going to turn it around and make playoffs as a wild card. All I’m saying is call it fair on both sides. Nothing racist about that, clown
A pass? Mannnn yall can’t be serious 😐
@@StepBlvck he’s literally been statically the best qb this szn 💀💀💀
They have a top 5 scoring offense, it's not Burrow's fault. They need to fix their 26th ranked defense.
@@shauryasati947 and? If Lamar as 1-4 it would be a 30 minute SLANDER session. Guaranteed
@StepBlvck no it wouldn't. Pls shut up about Lamar. Nobody cares about that playoff choker. Bunch of cry babies want him to be a victim so bad and it's beyond cringey. Burrow has had better seasons than Lamar had last year and no mvp for burrow. Don't see me complaining
Reminder James Jones the one who is giving Aaron Rodgers a pass
Is it Joe Burrow's fault that the Bengals holder dropped the ball on the field goal attempt?....Is it Joe Burrow's fault that Derrick Henry broke off that long run against his defense in OT?...The Joe Burrow criticism is getting out of hand now...Yall Lamar fans are hypocrites because if Lamar had Joe's stats and the ravens were 1-4, yall would be screaming how it's not his fault
That int?
@@dparks2856if you understand football, you would understand that jamarre chase has to fight to get in better position for the ball, he gave poor effort to catch the slant
Is it Joe Burrow’s fault he’s 1-5 against Lamar Jackson? And if not whose fault is it? I’m not attacking him I’d just like to know where to put the blame?
Jones and McCoy: if lamar, Jalen, or josh ...
*9 minutes later
"You can't be talking about if
The difference is when Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, and Josh Allen go 1-4 they not puttin up 5 TDs and damn near 400yrds. I can't believe what im hearing right now, and these guys supposed to be professionals. This the most hating sht i ever heard in my life. This man is playin better than any other QB in the league right now, including patrick mahomes, and they still sayin its his fault smh 🤦🏾♂️
It is
When Mahomes had his super trash defense Mahomes was winning
Shut up don’t nobody want to hear those excuses Lamar threw for 359 yards against the dolphins in 2022 3tds 70 yard td run so 4 tds guess what his defense couldn’t stop them so he lost so shut up with the excuses
Quarterbacks get paid big money to win not put up stats.
@@jodyjo804 u forgot to mention, Burrow lost the game this past sunday
When ravens was 0-2 and Lamar was over 300 total yds per game this show was killing him…Lamar defense gave up 15 pt 4th quarter lead but it was all Lamar’s fault. All people saying is treat all the QBs the same. Lamar just put up 400 total yds and 4 tDs but did u not hear Acho say when Lamar fumbled he couldn’t wait to get on the show and call him out. He didn’t blame defense or care about his stats. Why are we doing it for burrow then? Also, I wouldn’t blame burrow either except for the fact that his late game INT cost them the game.
I am a Joe Burrow fan too, and it is unfortunate but it's reality. The better you are, the higher the expectations, the smaller the margin of error of is for you, simple as that. Because we expect Joe Burrow to be MVP and lead his team to Super Bowls, the margin of error is so small for him. It's unfortunate because it seems like most of their losses comes down to one bad play by him, just one. 49 good/great plays out of 50, but that one is the difference between a win and a loss. The Bengals are obviously not built to go through the adversity. We just watched Dak throw 3 picks on Sunday night and they still won the game. If that last pass is dropped or deflected, Dak is the joke of the week. Instead, the pass is completed and nobody cares about those 3 picks. the Bengals holder fumbles the ball, they miss the kick, and now Joe Burrows stats mean nothing, just like that. That's the reality of football. Dallas' defense kept the game close enough to give Dak another chance, the Bengals aren't built like that. Unfortunate for Burrow, but he does have to play perfect. it's just the reality of the situation.
And he’s 1-5 against Lamar. Out of those 6 games he only made 5 bad plays and 300 good ones. Unfortunately it cost him 5 L’s.
@@lowcountrynative8436 very true
Formula has never changed for QB's in the NFL. Goal is to win a SuperBowl. Pass or Fail I don't understand. This is a talk show not a sports center. Man made up fake stats about Bengals being dead last in defense. No, ranked 26th in the NFL. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady already explained that winning in this league comes down to 3 or 4 plays in almost every game.
Joe must have to throw 10 tds 700 yards
Almost half of those yards are RAC yards...mostly by Chase.
Joe Borrow gets the glory when they win. So he can get the blame when they lose.
Bring up he’s getting paid 55 million a year and they can’t say sh**
not how football works
@@treyematthews865 yes it does. When the ravens win Lamar gets the glory and when the ravens lose Lamar get the blame. so let’s just say it depends on the quarterback and the team. We are so selective and our criticism.
@@Judah_76 ok I feel bad for Lamar if that’s true, however it literally makes zero sense to blame burrow. I would like to know you logic behind blaming burrow besides the fact Lamar gets blamed so he should too
@@jonahdavis9766Soo was it burrow or the defense when they went to the super bowl
It certainly is not burrows fault he's playing fantastic. He is the best pocket quarterback in football and has been for a few years other than injury year. Put up 38 points and lose it is not the QB's fault. Get real these are just stupid arguments. You guy's are a bunch of hacks. I will say it one more time any QB that throws up 38 points should not lose the game. It is the Defense period and I don't care about a mistake or two by Joe. That is like pitcher against pitcher in baseball it is and always was a dumb argument.
Ravens started off 0-2 1-3 and everybody was giving lamar a pass. "He's playing well, we know they're gonna win games".
That's not what I saw, they were killing lamar after the chiefs loss.
That is not remotely true 😂
0-2 and 1-4 is different 😂
I don’t recall
If any of those QBs names played that well they would get passes! They would be saying he need help from the defense.
It’s like they move goal posts depending on who they like.
James is Rodgers, Chase is pretty fair, Acho is Purdy, Shady is Hurts.
That’s the point, if it was Lamar he more than likely wouldn’t get a pass….
They’ll destroy Lamar if this was him.. he’s just stat padding
Said he don't look the same as a winner?? Defense ranked 31st in every category. Qb shouldn't have to be perfect every game he's super elite
Burrow has been a beast
Beast at 1-4
@@CoachRJ334 worse defense in the league is to blame
@@toddpacker1015Peyton manning had bad defense in Indy and still make the playoffs every year we don't wanna heard about defense
@@toddpacker1015 Ravens defense is just as worse anymore excuses 🎯
@@toddpacker1015ikr bengals defense sucks. That’s why Joe Burrow is 1-5 against Lamar Jackson. it’s the bengals defense’s fault not Joe’s fault.
Just saying Mahomes’ defense was ranked close to last in 2018 and he was winning mvp.
chiefs fan here. the logic of not giving Burrow a pass because they wouldnt give lamar a pass if it was him is stupid and emotional. Burrow obviously gets a pass. this is not basketball, everyone on the field has a job to do and the QB can play lights out and still lose games if other positional players do not hold up their own, especially in close games. Burrow is statistically the best QB in the league as of right now.
Exactly. Can’t blame offensive players for defensive failures. Especially as well as their offense has been playing the last several weeks
As a chiefs fan to Lamar excuse makes no sense if Lamar was 12 tds and 2 ints and 1 and 4 I wouldnt blame Lamar if his defense was giving up 30 a game if burrow had a elite defense prolly at least 3 and 2 don't like burrow but really can't blame him for a historically bad defense
It is a team game but these lazy analysts blame the QBs every week for winning and losing so u can’t change now. As a chiefs can I should know especially in the playoffs yall defense be playing good but who gets all the credit? When Brady was winning SBs his defense played great most the time but who got the credit? Keep it consistent like James was saying..also with all that being said 2 of the losses including last one if burrow doesn’t make a mistake at end of game they win. How can I give u a pass when it was his late fumble vs the chiefs and INT vs Ravens that helped them lose. If Lamar played good and had late turnover (even tho his defense was bad as well) people would only blame Lamar. Just like when acho said Lamar fumbled he said he was hype to come in and blame Lamar after up til then Lamar played a good game.
The quarterback is getting paid 55 million a year.
He did throw a pick to let the ravens tie the game after being up 10+ 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter… He dos fumble the ball against the chiefs, they let yall back in the game.. yall talking about stats, WATCH THE GAME
As a Bengals fan, I got to say they are right. If you don't win the game, you didn't have a good game. The ONLY thing that matters, is did you win or not.
Facility cmon it’s a team sport Joe Burrow has been doing his job it’s the defense that’s letting the team down there’s QBs that doing worst individually with better records
He is paid big money to win not put up stats.
Right football is a team sport. It’s not Joe’s fault he’s 1-5 against Lamar. It’s the bengals defense’s fault he’s 1-5 against Lamar, not his.
Burrow is playing like MVP with an ok O-line, an ok running game and a horrible Defense in the ultimate TEAM sport
Everybody's talking about how bad Cincinnati's defense was how the Baltimore Ravens picked apart to Cincinnati Bengals defense but no one's talking about how the Cincinnati Bengals picked apart the Baltimore Ravens defense.
Blaming any qb w this statline is just fundamental lack of understanding “team sports” or you’re a hater, simple as that. If Aaron Rodgers was playing like burrow but GB or the jets were 1-4 James would be giving out passes the whole show. Chase the only one using his brain, they tryna pile on Joe for other ppl’s bashing of Lamar
They did it with Herbert since the start of his career. No one wanna see this
Ikr Chase is the only one using his brain on this show. If their iq was high enough they’d realize it’s not Joe’s fault he’s 1-5 against Lamar, it’s the bengals defense’s fault he’s 1-5 against Lamar.
Bengals offense is doing their part. Defense can't stop a nose bleed. If Bengals put up 50 they defense will allow 65
So basically these guys are saying that Joe burrow has to play perfect and other qbs don’t. These are just black analysts, well really athletes defending a black qb😂
They have the worst defense in the league they have to be trolling
It’s crazy because the mistakes they are pointing out Joe burrow made in the chiefs game and ravens game, Lamar and Mahomes made them same mistakes in the same game. Joe burrow threw a pick it led to a field goal attempt that was made. Lamar fumbled it led to a field goal attempt where the holder couldn’t handle the ball. Joe Burrows fumbled led to a touchdown against the chiefs. Patrick Mahomes threw an interception directly at a bengals player it led to a touchdown. Joe burrow had to play perfect the opposite qb doesn’t.
Nah they saying when your team is up 3 with 3 minutes to go and if you throw an int that lead to the game tying FG that’s in you. When you get the ball back with 1:30 left in the 4th and don’t lead your team to a GW drive it’s on Joe.
An Elite QB has to overcome the challenges his team faces. If his team is ok, then he only has to overcome some challenges. If his team is trash, then he has a bigger burden to overcome. It ain't fair, it's football. The year Burrow went to the SB he did it with this team, and since the he's been meh. Can you do it again or were you a flash in the pan? Nobody cared last year that Eagles had a bad defense or had injuries... they said Jalen Hurts fell off and is not elite despite having gone to SB the year before. So I need you to have that same energy for Burrow. He's good but not a difference maker anymore.
Same thing about whites
Acho so much of a hater he literally just said he couldn’t wait til Monday just to hate on Lamar it’s sad😭
I respect haters that don’t hide it tho lol
The awkward silence at 1:55 !! 😂😂 Joe is elite always was and always will be though . The team record isn’t on him .
2 things can be true. U can be elite and you can have losses. 2 of the losses is on Joe burrow (this is one of the losses)
Exactly. If the holder didn’t botch the field goal in OT, he’d have the same record as Lamar, and Burrow would be leading in the mvp conversation
so 35 points doesnt make it defense? 70 points maybe 😂
It's a team game, every player needs to do their job. Blaming Burrow is a terrible take.
After losing in Pittsburgh last season, Stephen A sat there and questioned whether Lamar was worth his contract. The ravens were 3-2. After starting 0-2 this season he did the exact same thing. Lamar gets no pass whenever results go against him. It’s like the 2 MVP awards count for nothing. I have no problem with critique for the playoff loss last year, or the L vs the titans in 2020, or the L vs Buffalo in 2021. But anything outside of that is crazy talk imo
James jones spits FACTS!💯
I’ve said this before. Joe Burrow will have a Dan Marino type of career. One superbowl appearance and smash multiple throwing records. He’ll do this despite horrible head coaching on offense and defense. He’s pretty damn special.
People who try to blame Joe Burrow for this can’t be taken seriously. I would bet any money if they were on his team and a defensive player said anything negative about the QB they would be ready to fight. Lol If the Head Coach asked them what’s the problem nobody on the team would say the QB.
It’s not Joe’s fault. It’s the bengals defense’s fault he’s 1-5 against Lamar.
Baker has thrown for 1164 yds 11 tds (13 total) 2 ints with a 72% completion percentage and a 112.2 rating and you don't give him a pass
Not when in 2 of the biggest games he had a turnover late that lost them the game.
@HollyG95 Baker has thrown 2 interceptions all year, both of which were in the first half, and they only lost one of those games. The game they did lose was not because of a INT in the 2nd quarter. So I'm not sure wtf you're talking about lol
This is why most nfl players can’t be sport commentator they have zero nuance and don’t understand context or ignore it. James Jones is the same guy that said wins aren’t a quarterback stat but put all the blame on the qb even tho he did his job. Like bill bellicheck said do your job and the defense didn’t do there job all game long and the kicker didn’t do his job. It a team and this team isn’t very good but joe making it look good.
They never gave Justin Herbert a pass and i don't think he's had more than 5 horrible games
Was “ready to give it to Lamar when he fumbled”. But has BARELY mentioned the INT! He doesn’t even acknowledge it after Shady brings it up!!!!!
No interception, no chance for the kicker to miss the kick.
💯💯💯💯
Well it’s not like they didn’t get the ball back to score in OT to miss a FG so it doesn’t matter.
@@JordanT3025 it would matter if it were Lamar. The conversation would be, “If Lamar doesn’t throw the INT in regulation, Tucker wouldn’t have been put in that position.” Dude said the quiet part out loud. He WANTED to rip Lamar soooooo bad, but couldn’t because he won. There is clear bias in him and other media.
@@philblack3756 what are you even talking about. Tucker was put in the posting to win the game 😂. How many teams get a few wins because of their kicker. And yes if your QB losses the turnover battle then it is your fault but in the bengals and ravens game not QBs made turnovers and Lamar easily had the worse one.
@@JordanT3025 what makes Lamar’s worse? Burrow HAD THE LEAD WITH THE BALL IN HIS HAND!!! Then he literally tried to force the throw to Chase! They both played great games. But to try and suggest Burrow was better simply because he had a few more passing yards and one more TD is insane. Because truth be told, that last TD was ALL Chase. The ball was basically a long handoff that he took to the house.
He threw the pick that allowed us a chance. That matters
3:26 “Joe Burrow’s greatest quality.. was winning”
*Career Record 30-26-1*
…. What we talking about??
And he's getting paid doing this 🤣
When it matters most he was speaking of
They clearly see it’s the defense!! They refuse to say it. 12 TD’s and only 2 INT’s but he’s not that no more? 🤔 that’s a dumb take.
What is he talking about? The defense is letting him down that’s not an opinion. That’s a fact angles are not going anywhere. You can’t win with the defense like that.😂
No one is giving burrow a pass but what people should be talking bout is the bengals defense and how historically bad they are, you could put pat on the bengals and they would still lose with this defense 😂😂
Bengals fan. Gotta agree with JJ and shady. Burrow had the ball in his hands to put the Chiefs away and failed. Burrow had the ball in his hands to put the Ravens away and failed. If he's "joe brrr" Bengals should be at least 3-2
💯💯 Finally a real fan who understands the game!!!
Hard to believe you could have numbers that good and still be 1-4.
James Jones:
BARS!!!!
Lamar was running around like it was recess and he was fresh off of detention. That ain't got nothing to do with Joe. He doing his job. Them fools on the defense need to be answering the reporters questions.
Mahommes = Steph Curry
Lamar Jackson = James Harden
Josh Allen = Paul George
If that was Lamar y'all have a steak, knife, fork, wine 🍷 and napkins around your necks.🤷🏿♂️🤔
the dead stares and silence and James look away had me dying. chase on the Shammy Sham.
Everyone saying Lamar doesn’t have Higgins and Chase, as if Lamar doesn’t have the better coach, better oline throughout his career, better defense and the best run game in the league that forces run focused defensive schemes with stacked boxes that leave soft zones for any QB to pick apart.
Everyone wants to have it both ways with Burrow. His numbers weren't great when he "led" the Bengals to the Superbowl. So now that they're losing, it's shifted to "but his numbers!"
Nope, you can't give him all the credit when they win, but try to mention his teammates when he can't win.
I was told that he was the next Tom Brady, I was told that he was better than Mahomes 🤷
I feel Justin Herbert never had a good team and he doesn’t get the type of excuse burrow gets, seems like everyone just hanging on to that Super Bowl run the bengals had
If Tucker the most accurate field goal kicker hits his routine field goals , the ravens are undefeated
Meanwhile.... the Broncos are 3-2 while Bo Nix is objectively the worst statistical quarterback by every measure. Moral of the story: Football is a team game!!!!!!
James Jones always keeps it real.
This is Joe's best year statistically but according to shady he lost it. Gtfoh. Every game has been one score. If the defense makes a play and the holder snaps the ball correct, the conversation is Joe for MVP.