SMT: Nocturne HD Remaster is Kind of Disappointing
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Because of popular demand, Atlus has finally released an HD remaster of the popular cult-classic PS2 JRPG Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne (featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series) for Nintendo Switch and PS4, but they didn't do much beyond that.
In this video, I talk about some of the shortcoming of the remaster, what's changed, what wasn't changed, how the game runs and looks, and whether or not I think it is worth a buy when it comes out in English.
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The fact that they use the compressed audio while having the audacity to release an ost makes this all the more insulting
The ost is actually compress lol.
@@ramburgervalentine7621 Yep especially the Level up and Terminal tracks. Some of them are genuine master tracks that didn't get released.
I don't even play SMT and I find it kind of insulting that they wouldn't even redo the cutscenes for a supposedly "fully remastered" game. It's like the shit Capcom pulled on Resident evil 4
@@areallyrealisticguyd4333 There's the possibility of the source files being lost. IIRC, JP companies that aren't Nintendo usually don't archive stuff after developing games. Doesn't excuse the music though, especially if those have official uncompressed versions released.
@@spongebobfan78 Pretty sure you can torrent the uncompressed version. Lol
"SMTIV was a great translation & took only a month and a half"
*Looks at EU release
god damn have I waited long to play SMTIV in Europe... and in the end we only got a digital release. The ironic thing? Apocalypse got a physical release
@@FreyOdyssey Ahh so thats why I cant find a physical copy of IV in my country I was literally interested in buying a 3DS for it and yet again there's no ESHOP IN MY COUNTRY so the only way to play IV IS EMULATED
If Nintendo is closing Eshop, then it's basically impossible for EU to play the game.
Just Let Me Die I am from Peru and I had the same problem. I suggest you to “cheat” and put that you are in the United States in the console configurations. I bought a few games like that.
@@cliffturbo2146 Devil Survivor OC would also become nigh unplayable as you cant download the patch that fixes the softlocking bug etc
I read in some interviews that they were absolutely obsessed with posterity and parity with the original version. They were actively avoiding changes from the original, hiring QA staff to make sure the game was as similar to the original as possible. I think we can tell with this attitude, that adding QoL changes and modern conveniences was something they were actively avoiding
Oh wow, if you could link me to those interviews, it'd be much appreciated!
@@anonienonie An abridged translation can be found here: www.frontlinejp.net/2020/07/30/shin-megami-tensei-iii-nocturne-hd-remaster-director-interview/
@@TARINunit9 thank you!
Think they are misunderstanding what people wanted. Unfortunate. Atlus is pretty spectacular at some things, one of the best at a few, but also extremely poor at others and fairly egregious with DLC at an EA-lite level.
@@PathBeyondTheDark I guess they thought too many more changes and they'd get hate for it. I get that, but they could have put out a questionaire for fans
The Nocturne for steam will be basically: fans do what Atlus doesn't
If the game even makes it to steam
@@komi_san_is_god I'd be surprised if it didn't. I'm not sure if I want to buy it for any other platform now. I was planning on getting the switch version because I liked the idea of having it on a portable system, but now that it's apparent that the Switch performance is awful, Steam is the most "portable platform" for me, as I can just log in to a PC if I'm visiting someone and download the game there and get the save files from Steam Cloud. Or play it on a laptop.
yep, just look at all the p4g mods out there
@@_mako Yeah, tell me about it, there are even mods that add some content to the game...it's impressive.
If you have been following the news or leaks if you want to call it that, there have been someone on twitter who found a code in the SMT 3 Nocturne that lists STEAM alongside PS4 ans Switch, so I'd say at most the game "might" get released on STEAM alongside or after the west release
EDIT : Nevermind, it's been mentioned hahaha
I'm a time traveler, this is me coming to tell you that the voice acting is...okay
I’ll take your word for it
Lets just see if you're right.
I could see that being the case. I feel like Soul Hackers wasn't as impressive as Atlus's other English voice work.
If P3, P4 and P5 are any indication, we should expect some high quality VA for the most part. It's difficult finding many other JP games with Persona levels of voicework quality + quantity though... (maybe FF7:R).
Yo dm me lotto winnings for next year February kansas
if they remastered it in Unity, then that means that they rewrote the entire logic in Unity, that means someone had to implement the random skill inheritance, and not do anything about it
Pain :'( Although I hear its in a wrapper in unity, not exactly remade. Regardless they are still editing parts of the game (i.e. translating Raidou version)
Trust me im a programmer
@@dbgvideos6133 Trust you with what?
@@DonWalkJr yh, what does that even mean lol? Does he mean he agrees with the original comment or not? Unless it's the same guy on a different account
@@krisskross7700 he means trust him
He’s a programmer
6:43 So this remasters level of quality is more so on the same level as the Devil may cry hd collection. Atlus, just because Dante is in the game, that doesn't mean you need to put in the same level of effort as Capcom.
Lmao. This.
And at least for that it felt like some semblance of value since its 2 games in 1 (no I will not count dmc2)
o so Dante is in the remaster??
US: Wow this ATLUS localisation is taking forever!
PAL: First time?
In some cases for us in PAL regions its never!
i feel really bad for PAL tbh 😔
@@kittykat5090 When it comes to slowdown we don't have that issue nowadays, pretty much all TVs over here in the PAL region and releases here don't suffer from the old 50hz/60hz issue anymore, its still something to keep in mind for retro gamers but most of us over here try to play and use consoles in the NTSC format so we can have the full speed and no slowdown with older titles. When it comes to never getting releases, especially with certain companies like Atlus, its still rough but at least they're making more and more progress.
"SMT IV Only took a month and a half"
Meanwhile as a person in the UK who plays the game in English.
or as a person from other european countries who waited the same amount of time, and didn't get any FIGS translations whatsoever
Or as someone who imported a 3DS from another region and had to wait the PAL region to come out while hoping it is still physical.
It's really disheartening to know that the HD Remaster has severe frame rate drops and compressed music EVEN THOUGH Altus released the uncompressed beautifully sounding OST like 10 years ago. What happened to this game?
The tracks on that original OST release were not full length, though, unlike in the game... I was hoping they would fix it this time.
Frame rate is only on the Switch. The footage I've seen of the ps4 looks butter smooth.
Fortunately, the frame rate issues only harbor on the Switch version. From what I’ve heard and seen, the PS4 version is quite smooth as far as frame rates go.
@@bruhmomentomori7771 from what I heard, it's the engine. Ps4 has some issues as well because Unity isn't compatible with consoles like it is with PC
@@mikhielbluemon4213
PS4 version has frequent and insane stuttering during exploration, far from butter smooth.
"Kotaku journalist difficulty mode"
Gold.
Yamai did specifically say in a livestream that was made for those journalists who kept complaining for years that they couldn't finish an SMT.
@@mi2-c035 omg....
I've seen a Kotaku journalist die in P5 prologue
@@BitchChill Wait how? Like, those sections are almost entirely scripted. That shouldn't be possible.
I was sent into straight fits when I heard that.
Skill inheritance is patched now
Just need uncompressed music now and this game will be everything I dreamed of 💖
What else did they patch so I can see if the game will be worth buying on English release? Though I guess I can just wait and see.
is there english voices or just japanese?
@@AlexKJo-dz4fw the Amazon description says "choose between Japanese and English VO"
@@ZeroShaneBob thanks
The answer to a lot of your complaints is "that would take work, Atlus doesn't want to spend work on a remaster"
Why not especially if it will get new fans drawn to smt also that's a horrid excuse when persona 4 golden and persona 5 royal exists
@@darkslayerdon2133 Because it's atlus.
Yeah, atlus has amazing games, but as a company, it isn't as great
@@darkslayerdon2133 Those were updated rereleases designed to expand on a relatively recent game. Nocturne is getting close to two decades old at this point, and isn't their cash cow brand. The fact that they didn't even hesitate to just outright cut Raidou out of the Chinese version of the game should say it all; they don't really care about SMT, just Persona.
@@UltLuigi1 yes, it is an old game, but also is one of their best known games, al least within the rpg genre it is known by virtually everyone. Maybe SMT persona is more popular, but Nocturne is (and this is totally subjective) better. And don't forget it was famous because its difficulty, and that should be taken into consideration. Actually, because it is that old they could have been more attentive (idk if that is the word i wanna use, sorry) and do a proper game.
@@RandallHidalgoS21allas96 "within the RPG genre it is known by everyone"
That's the flaw in your logic. Atlus doesn't make games for RPG fans anymore. They make games for Persona fans and sometimes SMT fans, with the odd port from a decade ago
"Japan always overprices stuff"
Cries in Canadian
Damn straight (at least we aren't Brazil).
Cries in Brazil
But hey at least we got a tax drop in games from 50% to 40% and just recently we got it to 30% so we're working on it
@@byel2844 i think 5, now that the prices for next gen consoles dropped
*cries in México*
The taxes on games are bullshit here
@@ricardomaldonado5643 we feel you bro, you got our simpaty :)
10 years ago, Atlus did not know that Europe existed though.
What makes you that think? SMT: Nocturne was one of the few games with multiple translations like German and French. Not "only" english. So I guess Atlus heard about europa one or twice. ;-)
I mean, France is fictional
@@teteiyus5762
Were those translations any good though?
I'm french and I just started playing SMT IV, I had some questions about what a status actually did, so I opened up the Virtual Manual and...
The best answer I got was that they used Google Translate. xD
3:02
"A month and a half"
Europe : *Why are we still here? Just to suffer?*
Americans don't know our pain
Given we didn't even get HALF of the games Atlus brought out, let alone games from the likes of Square Enix, Nintendo, Sega, Konami and such back in the day to name afew, us in PAL territories have suffered far, far, FAR worse. Its sad that while region locking is becoming less and less of an issue, the fact we still have to even question if we're getting something now is just depressing.
Frame rate issues, still compressed soundtrack, no quality of life features such as choosing skills during fusion. What a shame. Should’ve just remade the whole game from the ground up.
Yep but Atlus are too lazy to remake the game
So disappointed... Rerolling skills during fusion takes so much time and it's nerve-wrecking when you can't get the skill you want. Lucky for games such as P4G and P5/R.
Yep this takes me back to all p3 variations all over again. That was a nightmare.
@@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841 yeah u may be right. They don't like remaking games but they sure love rereleasing them
@@byeebitch Don't forget about Persona Q and Q2! Those games let you choose skills, too!
I'm not buying into Atlus being somehow inept at translating. We live in an age where anime episodes are simulcast/subbed the day of release, vtubers can have 6 hour streams translated and subbed within the same day, and fucking Final Fantasy 7 Remake having a worldwide simultaneous release in multiple languages with multiple voice dubbing tracks. Let's not pretend Atlus is broke - they make BANK rereleasing every Persona game twice. This isn't a translating issue - its an Atlus issue expecting the thirsty fanbase to eat up whatever bullshit they put out.
They're adding english voice acting, add that with the pandemic, and I can see why it would be a problem. China and Korea don't have to wait because their versions just have the japanese voices.
Now, to nitpick the simulcast thing, they don't actually translate the episodes of anime in 1 hour. Translators get ahold of the literal script for the episode at least a week in advance. While you can get translations kinda fast, high quality professional-grade translations take time.
Atlus fans are truly the simps of the gaming world
A lot of people have pity parties for Atlus and I don't know why. Nocturne doesn't even have long cutscenes or that many instances of voice acting assuming generic npcs aren't voiced.
Atlus doesn't need to overcharge us for DLC either. At least when NIS does it they were on the verge of bankruptcy, but Atlus just does it because they know that fans will let them get away with scummy practices.
Lol Final Fantasy VII Remake wouldn't be my first choice as evidence for your argument..
Simulcast translation quality can be really spotty. Unless it's Funimation or something where they can get the script ahead of time. And that's really it, it's about coordinating with international teams. I feel Japanese developers don't really hand anything off until they have the game mastered and ready for production.
tl:dr this is not a remaster just a hd port with voice acting ,game journalist difficulty and some "make grind easy" dlc
Technically, Atlus are right. It's only an HD remaster. They weren't obliged to change the gameplay, performance or music.
But it would have been very, very nice.
to be fair they also had to rebuild the game in another engine because renderware died/EA
They didn't want to make any significant changes, but apparently still had few qualms about charging $50+ for what is basically just a reskin...
Then again, that's pretty much modern Atlus in a nutshell..!
I'm still astonished by the fact that smt2 is still not localized, even though 1 and 3 are already localized
but sadly not the ps1 version of smt1 tho
The SMT1 translation doesn't legally exist anymore.
I guess Atlus don't even bother since the game is fan translated already :DDD let the fans do some of the work i guess
@@fishactivation5087 there is also a fan translation for the SNES version if both SMT I and II.
I'm looking forward to a potential steam release, so that the community fixes all the issues discussed in this vid with some dank mods
They gonna replace Raidou with Petter Griffin
Same. The stuff that's been done with Persona 4 is already great
The game's been leaked for a Steam release, so it's happening for the western release
Maybe an actual fucking skill selector instead of Rng BS perhaps lol
@@glitchman1272 can u link a source? I’m hyped for that
Started playing the English Version on my roommate's PS5. The English Voice Acting, in my opinion, is pretty damn good from what I've heard (I'm at the Diet Building and I just got Raidou in the 5th Kalpa.) And from the save I started with the Dante DLC they got Reuben Langdon to reprise his role as Dante, which is fuckin' awesome.
BRO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!
The voice acting in general made me glad this is the first time I played the game.
"It's embarrassing how incomplete Atlus is when translating"
Nyarly, please, meet Falcom. Great games, great translations but awfully long WW release times.
I wish Falcon games only took a year like Atlus games. It doesn’t help that Trails games end with brutal cliffhangers.
@@xYumi145 Yeah I wish the Crossbell games had an official English localization. If you didn't know there is a really good fan translation.
I really want the crossbell games to have an official translation, they deserve it for how good they are
This is completely different though, Falcom doesn't translate their own games, other companies do it for them. You would never play a Ys or LoH in english if they were taking care of the translation (also LoH scripts are infinitely bigger than any SMT game, so eh)
Yep I’m disappointed mostly in the audio.
Maybe Modders can fixed this When SMT nocturne Remastered release on Steam
@@royalkumar795 Bandage solution because the OST doesn't have track variants and aren't dynamic so they would cut out eventually or loop like Redbook Audio would. We should yell at Atlus about it because this is straight lazy especially the 4:3 cutscenes but have the time for VOs WITHOUT AUTO SCROLL! So much for "keeping it faithful to the original".
Same man it hurts me so much to hear the amazing music being butchered like that
I imagine it’ll probably get patched when the English version comes out
@@gamertoon8230 Just like they did with shin Sakura Taisen PS4, patched the problem and also added combat lock system on English subtitles release on West
"Shin Megami Tensei IV only took 1 month and a half"
*looks over at EU release date*
We did not even get physical copies.... Only digital.....
@@DecoyBlackMage why?
@@tylerlackey1175 coz Atlus
@@tylerlackey1175 We did not get one for Apocalypse either..... And they originally had no intention of publishing either here because Atlus literally felt that Europeans, did not play or understand RPGs.......
And then SMT4 sold extremely well here after 1 fucking extra year of waiting on a digital only version :/
@@DecoyBlackMage We did get a physical release for Apocalypse in eu.
They added selectable skills in! I might just go out of way to purchase this now
“I don’t like to play games in a language that I don’t understand” - ...me as a Latin American kid playing every psx game in English...
Entonces sí entiendes el inglés
Así fue como aprendí Inglés xd
@@oscarzxn4067 todos aprendemos a medio camino
Si bueno, pero mi nivel de ingles esta re piola
yo aprendi ingles jugando pokemon
I saw Faz’s thread about this and I already had a feeling this was coming
Why is Chiaki named NUTS
he also talked on smt network
Who is Faz? Sorry for being out of the loop
@@gaetanoaviles1787 another megaten youtuber
Wasn't compressed audio part of the atmosphere? And maybe Atlus didn't put all their resources into a full remaster. They could have pulled a Xenoblade Definitve Edition and had to pick and choose what to fix because of a deadline.
If it comes out on Steam, there's gonna be a lot of improvements within the modding scene
Edit: For example, some of the flaws that Nyarly talked about like the compressed music, text only ui, and random skill inheritance could get fixed with mods
@Eric Christy QoL?
@@SlavoidUkr Quality of Life
Can't wait to see the hentai mods.
Improvements already exist with Hardtype romhack, it "is" harder but it feels overall more balanced in a way, and you can at least choose between Maniax with Raidou or vanilla or Hardtype with Dante based on your preference and whether you've played the game before or not.
It's really sad that fans should do Atlus's job...
"Dante has pierce now! That'll be 980 yen please."
Anyway this remaster is pretty lazy. Might get it on discount but definitely not before that.
"Demi-Fiend looks great, demons look great..."
Darn, can't wait to check out Lady of the Fount.
She sounds sexy af in Japanese, definitely NSFW
I played the original nocturne and I was so excited for this one...
I guess I’ll just wait and see if it gets a steam release and mod the shit out of it if it does :/
same.
i have a ps3, it is better to wait for maybe a steam port or i should buy the digital version?
sorry if my english is bad.
I'm just buying it on ps4 for physical edition
Merciful difficulty sounds like the 'Enjoy the story' difficulty. In a game where, while the story is good, is mostly atmosphere with some cutscenes. 'Enjoy the story' is something that works more for games like the newer Persona games, where there's so much story and characters to focus on.
exactly, I can see why they would have this feature in like Nier: Automata for example, but in games like Smt or Persona, the difficulty is a part of the fun. Having to build a team and form strategies to win is what makes the games good
etrian odyssey does the same thing with pinic mode. it's basically a joke difficulty that's impossible to ever lose in and you can autobattle everything. eo at least has a story mode to look to but nocturne only offers like 5 minute blips every few hours, so besides grinding for the last magatamas i can't see a use for this, both casually and as a hardcore fan of the game
I kinda feel that way with Fire Emblem and the casual mode option
Being able to keep a character that died in combat in a game that was intended to make you feel the emotional weight for losing a comrade in the battlefield is just... weird to say the least
So yeah I don't like this kind of option either
@@RonaldoVODS Smt varies in difficulty, the thing with building characters in 4 and persona is that you have to play on the highest difficulties cause if you don't any form of strategizing or building completely ruins the difficulty. I guess it's mostly a balancing problem but I wish the difficulties did more then simple stat tweaks too
That was explicitly the developer's intention. They wanted to make it easier to get all the endings.
*remember, this is the guy who did this with no buffs or debuffs*
Edit: I know he did it with strings attached but still
I'm so over Atlus' DLC practises, especially the DLC they release for both EXP and money grinding.
I simply used merciless and riberama for grinding only
>minimum 5 month wait for Nocturne HD in english
>still no english release announced for Persona 5 Scramble
Why Atlus?
2021: This game, and Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga
It's like they forgot about Scramble.
@@Hyunation But isn't it also a sequel to the story of Persona 5? That's something alot of people want to experience, myself included
@Hyunation the gameplay is a spin-off, that's the only spin-off related thing about it, the *gameplay*
that's it, just the gameplay
yes it should be a priority because it's a sequel to one of if not the best selling atlus games
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it's been more or less confirmed we won't be getting P5 Scramble :(
I would have honestly tolerated any of the other issues if they added manual fusion inheritance. Without that I have zero desire to ever get this remaster, especially since I still have a functional PS2.
Same, Atlus are lazy as hell with Remastering their game
As someone who never played the original, as a new fan, should I buy it
@@jazzhands8525 If you've never played Nocturne before and getting a legal PS2 copy is unfeasible, I'd say wait and get the remaster used. If they couldn't be assed to _remaster_ the audio or cutscenes _and_ haven't made any QoL improvements other than adding Walking Simulator 2003 Mode, you shouldn't be giving Atlus money for it.
@@byel2844 I meant to put never before the original sorry for the misunderstanding, but should I get it?
@@jazzhands8525 I'll say yes, get it. The game is an amazing experience by itself and having access to it on modern day consoles is great. The game may lack in some areas but it doesn't change the fact that Nocturne is a good SMT game. I'm getting it for the switch just because I want to have it portable and many friends want to have a taste of SMT so I'll lend it to 'em when I done with it. However, I won't deny the fact that this could have been much more if Atlus had put more effort and maybe waited a little more before releasing it.
It is Sept. 24 2021.
I recently purchased SMT 3: Nocturne for the Nintendo switch. They fixed some issues that you mention in the video.
Fusions/sacrifice fusions now allow you to select or randomize whatever skills your demons learn. Have yet to notice slow down, so far (messed up a choice early on with Pixie and had to restart, so I am only at the third kalpa now).
This My first time playing SMT3 Nocturne on any system and I am having a blast. Heck I am eager to play the rest of the SMT/Persona series and hope it makes it to the switch as well. (Got what I could for PS3 And PsVita, but would love to have it all on a single system.)
I’m going to get this game soon and I also don’t really mind that they didn’t remaster much bc I am just excited to play nocturne for the first time :)
I'm playing it on switch for the first time and about 35 hours in. I'm having a blast and havent experienced many issues
The skill inheritance it's a deal breaker from me. I loved playing this game, but I can't bear to waste hours mashing X and O, X and O, X and O again... What a shame
And here I am pissed more about sacrifice fusion leveling the fused Demon, especially in high level Demon cases (METATRON), forcing me to level well above their normal level (METATRON) to fuse.
Right? I have about 80 or so hours in Devil Survivor Overclocked and I cannot imagine that game without that function. I didn’t even know that wasn’t always a thing until I saw this video. That alone just made me lose almost all my interest in the game. Only thing slightly keeping it afloat is the fact that I’ve never played Nocturne before
@@newdivide9882
Then play the English-patched Chronicles version on emulator, because HD ain't worth however much it costs (I'm just going to assume $60) with an added $10 for Dante (who admittedly got buffed, but still can't be used alongside his replacement from Chronicles). Or wait for it to come out on Steam, as I heard there's some code or something that was datamined hinting at a possible Steam release. At least then you can mod in the Uncompressed music if nothing else.
They patched it
Two years in development and no one said "Ya think we should let the player choose what skills they want for their Demons when fusing is good idea." I feel bad for Nocturne not getting the treatment it deserves being one of the greatest pieces of media I've experienced in my teen years.
(EDIT) Okay so they' added the ability for the player to choose what they want. Was it really that hard to do in the first place, like what I said earlier. TWO YEARS!!!
I understand your feelings, I also dream of it.
what if they decide to make skills random in smt V
@@andrewfirth9858 -_- ; _ ;
@@andrewfirth9858 please delete your comment
Choosing skills is bullshit.
the virgin smt nocturne hd remaster
-several framedrops
-no harder difficulty
-runs like garbage
-4:3 cutscenes lmao
-you need a 300 dollar console to play it
-most likely gonna cost 40-60 dollars
-20 dollars in dlc
the chad smt nocturne emulation (pcsx2)
-runs and looks beautiful in a decent pc
-you can change the shaders (saturation, brigthness and contrast)
-you can play the hardtype patch
-you can save even in battle
-widescreen patch solve cutscenes
-basically free
Only bad part about Emulating nocturne is the nauseating motion blur. Also the lack of custom HD textures.
Add this to the chad smt
Hardtype mod
I'm playing Nocturne in that emulator as we speak, and it satisfies me very well. Oh, and another disappointing thing, Atropos doesn't say "sua" in the remaster... They butchered the original sounds of the demons. Ik, small detail but very important for me. I'll just stick with the emulator.
H A R D T Y P E
Laughs in nocturn already in English on switch
"Why do people use emulators???"
This. This is why. Why would I buy half-assed "remaster" of a game when I can just emulate a 4k upscaled version of it that will almost no doubt look better? If companies are gonna push remasters, they should at least make an honest effort to improve the quality, not some lame retexturing and no game/menu changes. Idk mang, people are out of touch i guess
Maybe atlus only have much time for making smt v and persona 5 strikers? Since the localisation of p5s takes so long because of the Covid-19 & release of PC
@@MrDontKnow4sure so shouldn't they wait to release it before rushing it out? I hope every game company learns from Cyberpunk lol
@@EquipoiseOfficial you want the worst bug graphics on pc and consoles?
I mean like cod modern warfare you can tell the differences between orginal vs remastered ( mw 2007 not mw 2019)
The emulated version does not even remotely -- not even the realm of pretend -- look "better" than any remaster. Upscaled assets and textures will never look better. The ONLY people who say emulators make old games look better than remasters, are people like you who actively DON'T buy remasters, so obviously you'd have no idea what they actually look like. Kinda funny how that works out eh?
So basically ATLUS is like any other nigh-independent Japanese company: slow (or outright refusal) to embrace new innovations.Yeah.... "remastered" Japanese games typically mean you have what you exactly had when it first came out years ago and that's it. Only thing changes is the platform (PS2 -> Switch). I have a bunch of old Final Fantasy games on Steam, plus _rEmAsTeReD_ Dark Souls to quickly get what's really going on.
Try doing business with a Japanese company somewhere and you'd understand; they're slow at everything in general. It's not just a ATLUS problem, it's a culturally Japanese problem.
based take
i think a lot of people want the original ported to a new console with better graphics though. they don't like their nostalgia to get butchered. plus, it's a chance for new players to enjoy a game in its original form.
@@DengueBurger true but if the goal is to propose "play the original" it s not that difficult to just make an emulation in the newest console(like virtual console in nintendo product).I don't know how the switch or p are coded so there might be bugs that arise from that but at the end of the day a console is a computer and can emulate(how good can it do it may be a problem though)
Dragon’s Dogma isn’t like this. Shoot, it didn’t even brand itself a “remaster” when it ended up on PS4, Xbox Once, and Switch, but it looks and performs WAY better than the original version
@@DengueBurger Don't say based, that's fucking cringe
Again with the culture explanation which is a tautology that explains nothing. Grow a brain.
What makes me upset, is that when 3HD fails outside of japan; (which it will because not only is it a full price port with no new content, but it's also releasing close to SMTV which more newcomers will prefer to wait for) Atlus will most likely decide not to re-release any other older megatens and that sucks. I like Nocturne, and the idea of playing it on something stronger than my shitty 12 yr old laptop is nice, but man......who knows maybe they'll have paid dlc for new content......
Its probably not going to be fully priced. Japanese versions of the games are always overpriced. Catherine Full Body on the switch is $75 on the Japanese eShop but $50 in the west. Persona 5 Royal is $90 on the Japanese PSN Store, but $60 in the west. This'll probably end up somewhere between $30-$40.
PCSX2 is very hardware demanding, im finding it hard to believe a 12 year old laptop could emulate Nocturne in a playable state.
@@TheSonic497 it got the work done.... it isnt really 12 years old tho. It's just trash
As long as it does well in Japan it will be fine (to Atlus), and it will have at least a few months before they get SMTV there. I am also concerned that this game won't do well outside of Japan, but maybe the nintendo direct push and general goodwill toward Nocturne will help it sell decently...
Debut sales for physical in Japan was 100k. That's pretty decent sales for Japan and Atlus' priority when it comes to a successful title is always Japan. So Nocturne remaster having good sales alone in Japan is enough for to consider bringing older SMT games and whatnot.
Remember the old days when we got devil survivor overclocked first.
And europe got an incredibly fucked version that took an insane amount of time to become playable
@@OrmylLP oh yeah i remember that. european versions crashed when you summon a demon a demon in battle if i recall correctly. bs
That reminds me I heard somewhere that because overclocked was fully voiced the devs were worried that the 3DS wouldn’t be able to handle it because the game was extremely dialogue heavy
@@byel2844 Come on Atlus, give us Devil Survivor 3!
If I understand the japanese patch notes correctly, the latest patch for the remaster added the option to choose skills during fusion! (or at least to directly reroll on the results page? It's phrased sort of weird) Can anyone confirm this?
If this is true - fuck yeah! Now they only need to re-render the cutscenes so they're no longer crunchy as hell, add uncompressed audio and maybe a harder difficulty and the remaster is perfect... that's never gonna happen. Still though - really, really cool!
You can do both.
You can select the skills yourself with triangle
Or Instead of pressing x and o over and over again (like in the original), you can just press square to reroll again.
Nyarly said a video about the new patch will be released soon.(He was on a vacation when the patch dropped according to his twitter)
@@---oq5kb Sweet, thank you for the confirmation!
Ah man, that little change was literally the one thing I was hoping for most when this remaster got announced. Took them a while, but I'm really happy they added this.
Currently playing through SMT IV for the first time as my first SMT game. Its gonna kill me to not pick which skills pass from demon to demon.
Well, that's no longer the case thankfully
Damn as soon as I heard that they didn't remaster the audio as well, I lost interest
lol what a dumbass reason but hey that's fatlus' fault. They shoot themselves in the foot literally every release in one way or another.
@@charmolettafranquestafiestayam didn't have to call me a dumbass but okay
@@Orgock love u baybee
@@charmolettafranquestafiestayam love you to toast 😘
Atlus with releasing English dubbed games
:It's evolving, but backwards
It's sad really :(
Seriously Atlus takes so long and by the time it comes out people have moved on or aren’t as interested.
Wait... Nocturne isn't getting a dub is it?
@@legefy no it is
@@VincentEternal ...Alright XD I thought it would only be the Japanese voices like a lot of jrpgs or Strange Journey Redux but that's a nice surprise.
I just think that Atlus wanted to make hype for SMT V and they did this remaster, but they made this really quick because they don't even care about this game. In my opinion this remaster just has 2 purposes money and hype they didn't care about the quality
I agree. And it worked too. It's already sold more copies in the first week than the PS2 version of the game did in Japan.
@@coolcool5181 That's not true. The HD Remaster sold 100,000 copies on its first week. The PS2 vanilla version sold 150,000 copies on its first week, and around 250,000 copies overall. The PS2 Maniax version did sell 80,000 copies overall.
According to interviews, they spent two years working on this Remaster... somehow. Feels like a lot of time to spend on something when they don't care about the thing and just want something out "quick".
@@Kisaru1000 Then how the hell is this remaster so mediocre?
Two years? For what I'm seeing here that's more like a two weeks work
"I don't like to play games in a language that I don't understand"
People who don't live in UK, USA or Australia: Yeah, it's disgusting playing in that way (sarcasm)
A really underrated comment
Canada: am i a joke to you
@@IBL15 Frenchglish counts?
Sadness. At least we are not back in the era where Atlus cut content because they tried to localized the game *glares at persona* but that's a low bar to surpass tbf
Ah, yes, or change it *glares at Mark*
It's really upsetting to see legacy content treated like this. I only hope new fans will be able to fall in love with this game like I did the original Nocturne.
"10 months after it's Japanese release"
*Laughs in Yakuza 5*
Yeah, Falcom's Ys and Trails games take 1-2 YEARS to come out after the Japanese release.
have you considered the delay wasn't a localization issue but rather a marketing decision? for instance perhaps seeing how it sells in japan first or even data collection to see what needs to be fixed (cause it really seems very few game companies even bother to play test thier games before shipping out broken products anymore)
i guess that the translation problems come from SEGA taking over localization, when Atlus localized their games they were only available in english but since Sega adquired them they have been translating their games to more langauges.
I think Nocturne also has a confirmed spanish translation, so it´s not the same previous as MegaTen games.
@@leixalkvinay2729 the original nocturne was english only, SEGA is now translating the remaster to spanish, same with 13 sentinels and the PS4 version of Dragons crown
@@LIONREV7 I mean, Nocturne has a confimed spanish patch now, before that wasn't the case.
@@leixalkvinay2729 and the spanish translations are very "Meh" (apart to be spains spanish, not neutral spanish)
There is definitely something more going on outside necessary windows of time because even re-releases with no dub and that have most of the translation done already get delayed the same amount. It's not necessarily malevolent though.
This is pretty disappointing to see. Especially since Nocturne is a huge fan favorite
Yeah
At least more people will be introduced to it
"Shin Megami Tensei IV took only a month and a half" *cries in European*
5:34 Yo Nyarly, apparently the official Nocturne remaster Twitter account dropped some info on a future update. Apparently they're patching the skill inheritance problem so that you can pick the skills you want to transfer to demons.
Either that or Google translate is being funny.
Atlus: We put Dante and Raidou in Hd remaster
Me: YES YES YES!
Atlus: But Dante is only available via DLC
Me: NO NO NO!
lol 😂
Atlus: ANNNNNNNNNNNNND You can only have one or the other: Not both at the same time.
@@clayisahottie well that kinda makes sense. Raidou is literally just a replacement for Dante in the maniax chronicles edition.
WWWRRRRRYYYYYYY
Remember when Atlus basically made like half a game with Persona 3 Portable's female protagonist? P3P was like a game and a half, given how much stuff FeMC has that Makoto doesn't. Most games that let you choose your gender barely change anything between the two. Usually it's just stuff like: who you can date/marry, different characters exclusive to that gender, etc. P3P did that and so much more.
Since I play Persona since the first part I can say P3P is my favorite Persona game. I enjoy a female perspective
> "makoto"
Cringe. There are no canon names. The games wouldn't have so many options to adopt your own name, personality and choices if there was ever an intent to have a "canon" / "correct" version of events.
Say P3 protagonist.
@@mamayareborn Yikes the elitism is strong
@@mamayareborn cringe
5:34 ruclips.net/video/akYo3joWglo/видео.html
Atlus listened! You can now randomize skills with Square, and, get this, YOU CAN FINALLY SELECT WHICH SKILLS YOU WANT (with Triangle).
So for $10 I can get a Dante costume, or a digital copy of the entire original game. Hmmmm
I can say that it is likely at least some of the Scramble delay is due to Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity being way higher on their priority list. You pointed out that they've been working their asses off to get HW out in a timely manner, and I def don't expect them to do that plus Scramble during a global pandemic and I'm not surprised a Persona spinoff was pushed back in favor of a literal prequel to Breath of the Wild.
It's also simply the difference between Nintendo money and Atlus money; Nintendo's gonna push their shit out when they want it out, pandemic or no. They'll make absolutely certain they create a safe environment for their localization team and get it done ASAP. They have the money to do that. Atllus not only doesn't have that sort of money, they also consistently underestimate the impact of their games in the West. Nintendo is a worldwide sensation and household name, and while they've gained popularity in recent years, Atlus still develops relatively niche games designed predominantly for a Japanese market, whether they're owned by SEGA or not. Likely they and Koei Tecmo WANT to get Scramble out in the West, but there's too much else going on right now. Underestimating the effects that a pandemic has on a company that already takes forever to localize products is pretty foolish.
Gamers cant connect the dots and use common sense. They’d rather cry and shit themselves over having to wait a bit to play a game instead of playing the 100’s they still have untouched
@@PunishedPrince you replying to a different comment, my guy?
regardless, a company should make their best attempts to release versions with alternate languages within a month or two at most of the original release. It's especially ridiculous to forecast a near half-year wait for a game that's already been translated.
@@AsterBTT persona ain’t niche it’s rlly popular
@@PunishedPrince No need to be so toxic.
The framerate is what kills it for me, hopefully getting ahold of the PS2 version hasn't gone up that much in price
Just get digital PS3 version
@@BitchChill ps3 version runs emulated and isn't the best.
Lol just mod your ps2
Man, I remember buying my copy of it 10 years ago to date... I couldn't find an NA version anywhere, so I got my PS2 modded and bought the EU version (Lucifer's Call). I know a lot of people are disappointed (only thing I'm really sad about is lack of skill selection during inheritance) but this is still my favourite game so I'll probably buy it on all platforms nevertheless :/
It's basically the only smt game that hasnt gone up $100+ since the pandemic (dds is also pretty cheap still).
Hello! Just trying Nocturne for the first time (remaster was on sale for $35 with a it's DLC) and it's been fun! Been having slowdown on the Steam version whenever spells like sukukaja is used on 3 or more targets, so that's mildly annoying but it's been fun besides that.
I really would have loved it if they just improved the main character's skill system. Like Digital Devil Saga's version where you get every skill you learn but can equip only 4-8(based on character level) but you could try all kinds of interesting combos.
Here before all the compressed music complaints
I have a bigger problem when it comes to the frame rate
@@iker-jk2096 I thought those framerates skips were either my mind playing tricks on me or just some sort of issue with the youtubers' capture cards
@@_Koyomi_ nop, the games just straight up runs worse than the original
@@iker-jk2096 I've had a better experience on a rom and those are infamous for stability issues.
@@iker-jk2096 The music problem kinda sucks, but the framerate being a problem is actually unacceptable. I will still buy it cause I really wanna play the game on modern hardware and fight Raidou. Also I think if the Merciful difficulty is as described by Nyarly, tbh that sounds like it would make buying Magatama and Demon Compendium charges not a pain in the ass and the much lowered encounter rate that MT tends to be infamous for is actually something I very much would like. I can just toggle Normal to easy at any time. Admittedly these qualms I have is part of the reason I dont like Nocturne that much. I still think this remaster deserves better. But this sounds it could be the better version gameplay wise if they fix the framerate.
No need for the "kind of".
It's a dissapointment, yeah it's nice to be able to play the game in newer consoles, but even for a remaster it doesn't make a lot, and for what I read it has things that are even worse than the original.
It's cool that we can play it and even better for new fans with better graphics, and the voice acting sounds nice, but it's not that big of a deal.
69th like.
I'm hoping the price is at MOST 40$ because this is like a 20$ value for this remaster. If they keep the price low than the expectations for this will be much lower for the game. I still think that the compressed audio and cutscenes ripped straight from the ps2 version is still unexcusable though.
>can't pick your skills manually during fusion
>no changes to all the menuing
alright pack it up boys nothing to see here
couldn't before
They finally added option to select skills in fusion and rerolling botton in fusion.
Thank the lord.
I know the pain from P3 and 4
I swear if they screw up digital devil saga hd, but hey I'm still looking forward to Smt V
Well, at least we're getting BIG DADDY LUCIFER and not the ugly thing we had in SMT IV.
@water bottle hey an hd widescreen port is all we need
Idk, I'd call being able to actually _see_ the HP and MP bars a pretty huge improvement.
@@byel2844 You can see it all throughout the video in battle and in the menu.
You talking about the party bars? I thought you could have always seen them? Or are you talking about something else?
@@AeontheWeeb It was an exaggeration, but the numbers covered up the second half of the bars, so you couldn't see what percentage you were at. Now the numbers are smaller and higher so you can see the whole bar.
@@ChoiceSnarf Ah I get you. Yeah the UI looks a lot better than before. I thought for second you were referring to the boss HP/MP bars lmao.
You know I could deal with most of the issues sense I didn't play the original and I'm interested in this. But that framerate problem has me worried. Is it really THAT bad?
Wow, would it be better to just emulate it? I’ve been wanting to play this game since it was announced, but since I got a brand new PC a few months back, can the emu version fix all the performance issues?
Hey, the good part of the delayed localization means you can get to level 255 before it, right?
I get the reference
No change to the skill inheritance, no buy. It's that simple. I love, love, LOVE Nocturne, played it again just recently and had a pretty good time, but I just don't think I have the patience to go through random skill inheritance hell yet again. If there was one thing, ANY one thing they absolutely had to change to make this remaster worth it, it was that. Dang, what a bummer. :c
I don't mind the lack of changes that much, being able to play Nocturne with better visuals on my PS4 and switch (frame rate issues are still had but its better than nothing) is a really great thing I'm excited to get
I started playing SMT4 and I’m really enjoying it and I wanted to ask what version of the game should I buy?
Nocturne Remaster ? Buy PC version for mods, or Switch for portability.
Yeah, I am gonna wait until they are able to fix the FPS issues on Switch. I really wanna play Nocturne on the go but that fps and compressed audio makes me wanna puke.
Same
Sorry, but they're never gonna patch it. It's obvious that this was done as cheaply as possible just to put it out there for a quick cash grab.
@@remusventanus5341 You say that and yet the P4G steam port appears to prove otherwise.
@@CrissAssasin7 Good point, and I hope you're right.
@@remusventanus5341 That may be true, but on the other hand the fps issues may cause less people to buy the game. So it would be a reverse stonks tactic for atlus.
Something is severely wrong in the industry if the only ones doing a good job bringing older games for an IP up to standard is Activision of all companies.
Yeah it's weird. Crash, Spyro and Tony Hawk all got remasters that made the games better and were successful.
Hopefully this will be a PAL release that DOESN'T crash when you're doing the True Demon path
PAL and crashed? I played the True Demon path a few times and had never problems. XD Maybe I was just lucky?
Nyarly looks like your voice has been heard and now there is the choose which skill to inherit feature in the game !
I didn’t realize that a Video can encapsulate Heartbreak itself but here it is.
Honestly hearing what’s being said in this video really does hurt considering this was my first SMT. I can only hope that SMT V wouldn’t give me this same feeling when it’s released.
At the end of the day, I'm still happy this exists and love that I can play Nocturne in HD, but they could have done so much more with it
Is this remaster good for if you own a switch but don’t have a way to play the ps2 version or what ever consol it use to be on
Possibly a strange question but do you know the first sound that plays in your intro? Any sources?
You mean the first sound when "Nyarly" appears? It's the confirmation sound in SMT Nocturne. I think its the X button in USA/EU.
tbh I lost interest when we found out fusion wasn't fixed with skill selection. It looks prettier but eh, if I wanted only pretty I'd just go play some random AAA title
yea i feel you im not too sure if i wanna buy it anymore. i might wait until it releases on pc to use mods
@@byel2844 Did you not watch the video or read the description???
I never found it being THAT annoying. Being really honest, it actually feels good when you finally get the skills that you wanted.
@@joaopedro8364 i never played nocturne before so im more used to being able to choose the skills from recent games. i still haven't decided if im buying it or not tho so we'll see wat happens
@@mauri4140 Yeah, i wasn't considering the new players. My mistake.
Not just Atlus, but I've noticed Nintendo, and NIS' America's quality get worse over the last decade. It's a disposable market now, there's hardly any passion.
Nintendo is the biggest offender of this, bar none. This is painful to say, especially as a lifelong Nintendo loyalist.
Apart from the terrible market decisions, limited releases and bad online, how is Nintendo getting worse? The switch has their best line up of games since the 3DS back in 2012.
As a company, yeah they have gotten worse. But as game publishers? They keep getting better.
I think atlus and Nintendo as consumer friendly companies have gotten significantly worse over the years but I think their actual developers have gotten better. This is just a cash grab but stuff like nintens fe 3 houses or atlus p5royal are the best stuff they've made yet imo
@@Robotta Look at how many ports they have on Switch that they charge full price for, and then subsequently remove from the WiiU eshop. The joycon hardware lawsuits and Nintendo outright denying there's any kind of defect while offering free repairs, for said defect. Their hardware QA is seriously lacking compared to previous generations, there's videos out there of wiis and gamecubes surviving crazy falls and the Switch can't survive a few knocks from chest height. The thing outright frys itself being charged in a non 1st party dock; they coded it that way so consumers have to buy an overpriced dock. Do you not remember how bad the Switch's launch was?
They're as bad as apple now, entirely anti consumer. Those 3 points you mentioned are huge, especially the marketing practices; they constantly sell lackluster ports for MORE than their competitors. Look at the recent case with the one user on reddit who sent his Switch out for repairs and they sent him back a BANNED console; which took a massive twitter/front page campaign to even get corrected. They ignored him for months.
All this being said, I enjoy my Switch, but the past 3 years has really opened my eyes to just how awful game publishers can be.
"SMT:IV - it only took a month and a half."
Except if you like me are in the EU and had to wait well over a year and a half.
Your video is good, I agree. Although out of curiosity, what would it have taken to make it worth while?
I'm confused on why they didn't bring back the extra options for p4g pc where you can change certain things about the game like the amount of money you get the amount of XP you got how much damage would you give or take, stuff like that and they dropped it for some reason.
They really gave this game the 3d all-stars treatment
atleast 3D All Stars had remastered cutscenes, the music wasn't compressed, and it had no frame rate issues.
Hey, I'm probably gonna buy it on the switch,currently playing lucifer's call on ps3, is the fps on the switch really that Bad?
Wait how did you get merciful difficulty I have the game for PS4 and I do not see that option?????????
This could’ve been a really good remaster, especially for how awesome V sounds like it’s going to be. They didn’t have to go totally all out, but ATLUS Could’ve added a HD soundtrack, and reworked the frame rate, and they could’ve added a explanation of the skills when you view the stats screen. And localize the limited edition. For a company that has over 500 Billion¥ it sounds like a simple task.
They should've added the battle against seraph and the other crewmates in the remaster. I wanted to see it in demi-fiend's pov.
So I’m rewatching after the English release and I don’t own the game myself yet, but Dante and Gouta (raidou’s talking cat buddy) got some pretty good voice acting, they even rewrote Dante’s lines to fit his post dmc3 characterization which is a detail I didn’t think they would add.
What’s music playing throughout the vid?