Evidence comes from latin 'obvious to the eye or mind'. So, no evidence without 'eye or mind'. Since science is suposed to be based (or relies) on evidence, we have to conclude that there can't be physical reality without 'eye or mind'. Just try to imagine any physical reality or universe without evidence ('eye or mind', consciousness, awareness...); it's entirely impossible, nonsensical...
More and more physicists and other leading scientific thinkers seem to be endorsing the idea of some kind of "metaphysical" mechanisms, however tenuously, mostly linked to the ideas of Quantum Theory. For me this is very heartening.
It is at least encouraging. We are approaching the limits of physics, and I fear it has become so institutionalized that further enlightenment beyond physics will be bogged down in protective doctrine.
@@MYOB990 Yes. And Penrose asserts that consciouness is not algorithmic. I guess that it is a statement that can only be disproved, rather than proved.
consciousness is above all awareness of the self, when a child begins to say "I", he begins to become aware of his person and then the anxiety of his finitude seizes him. he then feels desperately lost in the face of the absurdity of his own existence. then comes into play the tales and legends, the entertainment, all the crutches necessary for him to continue walking to the grave.
Ok, I'll bite. With all those negatives, why become aware of self in the first place? Evolutionarily speaking, we have developed instincts that preclude us from participating in our certain demise. Inherent wariness of heights, loud noises, etc. Why would 'awareness of self' be the exception? So great of an exception that simultaneous to that realization, (which has no basis in reality anyway) the concept and efforts to abate the concept developed universally. Could it be that 'self' is an inherent condition and we merely react to it and have evolved coping methods just as we have other environmental conditions over which we have no control? After all, other creatures have evolved automatic defenses against demise. Sense of self is not only not required, but also from a pristine perspective detrimental.
@@johnswoodgadgets9819 Imagine civilization to be humanity's phenotypic carapace that co-evolved to protect us from nature red in tooth and claw. Easy to see that the complexities of multi million member civilizations requires us to be conscious in the way we are. Hard to imagine any civilization co-evolving with any organism that is simply reactive and/or instinct driven. See Julian Jaynes' great book, "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" for the theory on which these thoughts are based.
''It is clear consciousness did emerge.'' Only if you think it emerged with brains which is'nt establish. Bergson made the point that digestion existed much prior to the evolution of specialised digestive organs and so in the same manner the function of consciousness may preceded the emergence of brain which are concentrated nervous systems. Many in fact argued that consciousness is central to all lifes and some argued that organic life is'nt the only forms of life and that the Universe is alive and conscious and in that case consciousness of the Universe in its most primitive form would exist and everything would emerge from it and not the other way around.
When one is conscious, one is conscious OF some thing. When one is not conscious OF any thing, one is not conscious. Consciousness is not a something. Consciousness is just the label for the being conscious process. 'One' is an instance of the being conscious process but only while it's running.
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL In meditation one often experience brief moment of burst of consciousness when one is conscious of nothing. So it is not true that there is always an object of attention, or that one is always conscious of something. So this common place mantra is just false.
@@louisbrassard9565 When one is conscious of nothing, one is not conscious of anything. When one is not conscious of anything, one is not conscious and one is not existent. The reason one is able to porpoise in and out of existence is because one is an instance of the self-being-conscious-process which supervenes on one's continuously persistent physical living bodily substrate. When the self-being-conscious-process is running, the self exists and is conscious. But change the way the process runs, even a little in critical places, and it is no longer a self-being-conscious-process and one is non existent and not conscious. Thoughts have two aspects. One is the abstract aspect, what a thought represents. The other is the physical process that maintains the representation in coded form. This is analogous to how the two dimensional surface of a painting represents a pipe whereas a pipe in actuality is made of briar, exists in three dimensions and sometimes contains burning tobacco. It is apparent that our representation/thoughts are physically maintained by neural discharge timing patterns and that the thinking process is mediated by the synapses that connect and allow thoughts to intermodulate. The self-being-conscious-process is a very, very, very complex thought that is constantly being modulated by other thoughts. Unconscious is the result of other thoughts ceasing to modulate the self-thought. Of course I'm speaking theoretically but only because our technology is not yet able to keep track and analyze the simultaneous timing patterns of the 85 to 100 billion neurons in a human brain.
We don’t have an equation for it either. Consciousness is the ability to reflect on your thoughts, actions and behaviour that allows you to then alter your thoughts, actions and behaviour so that we don’t suffer the same mistakes over and over again of unconscious actions and behaviour, self awareness. Natural selection of the mind.
We need honest physicists like this guest. He tells it as he sees it. Those who try to keep science in the shackle of absolute physicalism are doing a great disservice to the field of science and humanity at large.
The problem is that whenever you accidentally drive on to the shoulder of pseudoscience or science that can't be falsified, you get a whole bunch of Christian god of the gaps nonsense. And it is creeping into the school at least in America.
@@markb3786 *"The problem is that whenever you accidentally drive on to the shoulder of pseudoscience or science that can't be falsified, you get a whole bunch of Christian god of the gaps nonsense."* ... So, some other ideology you don't subscribe to is *preventing you* from exploring other possibilities regarding our existence? And why? Because it may lean toward theism? That's like choosing to not eat pancakes because it reminds you of "Flat Earth Theory."
The core of science in experimentation, observability and repeatability. The problem with dealing with consciousness is that it's not observable. You can never really be sure if others are conscious in same way as you are. In many ways, it can be shown that different people process things differently, like some with aphantasia are unable to picture things in their mind. Is this a sign of less (or even no consciousness). Is a dog conscious? Maybe you are the only actually conscious person and everyone else is just faking it? You never really know and science can't really help you prove it, because it doesn't even have the basest building blocks of consciousness. Ultimately the only way science can analyze consciousness is to try to tie it to some materialist lens, like interactions between electrons or something, but at that point it could just be missing the entire point of what consciousness is in a desperate effort to fit it into a measurable physicalist box. Of course if it's not a physical thing, then it becomes essentially impossible to measure. Personally I think consciousness is just beyond science right now, we should focus on trying to create life from unlife, as that will tell us the most. If we are unable to do it, then it may hint at there being something special about the state of life beyond just the material. If we can do it, then the materialist viewpoint gains a lot more credibility that life is simply an organization of matter.
@@taragnorI agree with your concluding paragraph but I disagree with the others. You said consciousness is not observable. I think that statement is most incorrect. If anything, consciousness is the most observable because it is an inner experience. At every awakened moment of our existence we innerly feel, experience and understand what it is to be conscious. Secondly, that you may be the only conscious person among all others and that the others may be faking consciousness is a baseless idea and self deceptive. How can someone fake something if they are not conscious? How could humans work together as a team if only one of them is conscious? That view of consciousness doesn't make sense.
Any aim to extend our knowledge with mainstream scientific paradigm (which is information), will in my opinion reveal that the knowledge of the microcosmos as well as the macro cosmos are fractal in nature. I think most scientists would rather see it as reaching for the asymptote of information, whilst possibly, there's no asymptote to start with. I think that is a result of the limitation of our senses and intelligent capacity. We might see ourselves as intelligent, but I think we are not capable of even grasping the very fundament of it all. I find Carr's view on things (and he's not alone) the most logical and consistent.
(4:20) *BC: **_"To me, a theory of physics which does not make any reference to our experience, our consciousness, is far from the theory of everything; it's just a theory of everything to do with fundamental physics"_* ... Which has been my argument all along and the basis for my book. Science observes manifestations of self-awareness happening within the past 300,000 years of human existence and summarily proclaims *_"That's all there is to see, folks! ... Now, let's talk 'Multiverse!"_* Many people's core beliefs preclude them from even considering that there might be a _"bigger picture"_ in regard to a self-aware consciousness. Some don't want to out of a desire to shore up their core beliefs whereas others simply don't want to out of spite - because they think it sounds too much like God. The _"bigger picture"_ is that a self-aware consciousness is what you end up with after a 14-billion-year-long evolution of *information.* Everything going on inside your head has been going on in lesser degrees since the beginning of Existence ... ... We just happen to exist during the highpoint of this ongoing _"evolution of data."_
Still others don’t subscribe because no one has proven duality exists. It’s unfalsifiable. We can speculate and I’m sure there are people who could theorize and argue rocks are self aware, based on some round about logic, but at the end of the discussion, no brain = no consciousness. This is a proven and testable fact. Consciousness is not fundamental if you can remove the brain, and consciousness dissolves with it; emergent or not. Physical events happen and if the brain is sculpted correctly, the electrical impulses synch in phase with the transducer and the signal is received and processed. The process happens “in the brain.” The brain has to do the heavy lifting, not some cosmological miracle or sentient quarks and bosons. Nothing fundamental spoon feeds the brain ready-made conscious experiences. The event of a thing is not the conscious event. The event of a thing is a recipe for the brain to operate. The physics of an event is information. A book is not conscious:; the words are not conscious; the information is not conscious ….the reader and their brain are. If consciousness were external to physicality, then it wouldn’t be subjected to locality. We would experience events on the opposite side of the universe, without the lag of relativity. We would also know things we never connected with vis physical locality. Too bad, because I’d love to know what it’s like to walk on Mars while having infinite knowledge of everything.
But let’s assume you’re right. I was once a amateur practicing Tibetan Buddhist and believed heavily in duality. So this will be easy for me. I’m assuming the theory is: There’s a dimension of universal consciousness (Buddha) and we somehow pick it up when the frequencies of the consciousness and our brain synchronize; tuning into the ‘universal consciousness.” Different conscious states are the result of the limits of physicality. Like looking out of a rainy window and trying to count leaves thru the blur. We don’t have access to ‘all knowing truth’ because out physical brain limits the sheer vastness of universal comprehension. The universe subjugates us to the trudge of the Higgs boson and we are condensed energy from the harmonious fabric of the true universe; Manifestations based on our attachments to physicality. Upon death, we break the physical bonds of this bound dimension to become one with the ethereal plain of universal consciousness. We enter the bardo and our journey is weighed with universal karma and accumulated karma. If we are wise, we break the cycle of death and rebirth to spend eternity in oblivion. Etc. Nirvana. I’m assuming conscious is the only thing that is real, but our brains distort it, bending it to the physical dimensions/universe we reside in. It’s not a new theory. It’s been around since Buddhism was founded. There’s just one problem with all that. If universal consciousness is governed by the physical/living brain, then it’s still reducible because if it weren’t, consciousness would be unaffected by physicality. Why would it not?
We always need to find bigger, noble, religious spiritual notions. Why can't we just admit there is a physical object (the brain) generating through whatever complex mechanism a conscious experience? No no, there has to be some universal foundamental consciousness (a.k.a. God) that is "observing" itself. Whatever that means 🤷🏻♂️
Some prominent theories include the Global Workspace Theory, the Integrated Information Theory, the Attention Schema Theory, and the Emotional Signal Theory. It is likely that consciousness is a complex phenomenon that cannot be explained by any single theory, and it may be the result of a combination of factors, including the brain's structure and function, our evolutionary history, and our environment. While the mystery of consciousness remains unsolved, the study of this fascinating phenomenon continues to advance, and we may one day be able to unlock the secrets of consciousness and understand its true nature.
That is an excellent summary , with which I agree. As Neil de Grasse Tyson once said; the fact that so many books have been written about consciousness shows that is fundamentally complex and we are nowhere near understanding it.
@@willasacco9898 I understand it and I'm not alone but many have trouble getting to the epiphany. Getting there requires a rich understanding of the nature of abstraction and of the relationship between abstraction and neural activity. Julian Jaynes' great book, "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" is extremely helpful to the seeker (as is an introduction to neural function and "Gödel, Escher, Bach" doesn't hurt).
I just think as humans we are too dumb to make full sense of the universe, it might be pure accidental or beyond even consciousness, something we cant understand.. Consciousness is something we know so we think of it as superior
And collapsing probability waves happen only in the abstract realm. And who would be surprised to learn that the abstract is the only realm in which consciousness can flit about.
Stars that are much more simplier than the human brain and consciousness need the quantum mechanics quantum tunneling effect to exist and to be explained, why the brain the most complex object that we "know" in the universe (excluding the universe) can't have quantum effects?
@@_boraprogramar Have you considered the possibility that the brain's approximately 90,000,000,000 neurons interconnected by their 1,720,000,000,000,000 analog multi input logic gates called synapses might alone be enough to constitute the being conscious process?
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL I Don´t think it is enough, if it was the way you say we should already have some machine that simulate consciussness, probably we never will
I don't know why (cosmic) consciousness emerged. It's like asking "why did God emerge" or "why did Self emerge". Maybe the better question to ask is what is the underlying reason for the big bang or fluctuations in the early universe, or, why is there biodiversity? Why does the sea create waves? I am Catholic so for me it's simple. It's all about love baby. It is not good for the Man to be alone (Gen 2:18). Thank you. Bless you. Grateful you are here. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. ❤
It never emerged!! It was always there..and will always be there.. In fact, there's nothing... absolutely nothing, but the Consciousness! Thus all Creation is a manifestation or interplay of this Consciousness.
Pretty wild to think that we will prob create fully sentient artificial intelligence before understanding our own consciousness. And it may very well be the AI we create that then explains to us what the hell is goin on between our ears.
Maybe I’m an idiot, but I don’t understand the big mystery with consciousness. Everything that has a brain is conscious to some degree, the more a brain ‘thinks’ the more conscious it is. My dog is conscious that if he does a certain thing he will get a treat in return. He can’t contemplate the Big Bang because he has no language to do so. I have learned a very complex language so I can contemplate all manner of things by having a conversation in my own head about it. For me consciousness is just a brain thinking to greater or lesser degrees
It's not the thinking, it's the experiencing. I thought the same, consciousness is not a big deal, until I watched a lot of Closer to Truth videos over the past few years. When talking with friends, I boil it down to this. Look at something colored red, where does that red in itself exist, where does that experience of the red color come from? It's just a certain wavelength of light, but the frequency doesn't create red itself. You, by observing red in the first person point of view and seeing the bright color, is consciousness. And there is no explanation for where that experience comes from or is created. To use your example, a computer can learn a very complex language. But you contemplate all manner of things by having a 'conversation in your head'. You are observing a train of thought, a voice, or images. Where does the experience of sound come from? The images you can imagine? That's the consciousness part.
@@ChrisClark0 If I experience the colour red, is it not just my eyes seeing the light wave and then my brain receiving the information and processing it? If I had my eyes closed I wouldn’t experience the colour red but if I open them I do. A computer isn’t biological and isn’t a brain connected to an entire biological structure with senses so I think real consciousness in AI will be hard to achieve. It seems to me that the brain is the real mystery, even the origins of multi cellular life and consciousness comes along with it. Again I am sorry, I know there’s something I’m missing that I’m not wrapping my head around.
@@gallinho7268you are close. How does a city’s roads influence the behavior of the city? New York is vastly different than Reno. I could argue a person is a product of their environment (roads) and a city’s roads are the product of the people. It works both ways. You know what red is because you have wired your brain to decipher red since birth. When you experienced your first event, your brain started laying the roads. Over time, some roads were reinforced : major moral compass, beliefs, and so on. At times, some roads were rerouted and some are destroyed completely: Abandoned beliefs and forgotten memories. It’s not the individual brick pavers of small paths and neighborhood back streets, it’s the pattern of the massive highway which determine your self awareness. It’s the Shape of your brain that counts where self awareness is concerned. Neurological pathways comprise memories as certain external stimulation is processed thru the major highways. Reinformemt - The more you experience (or visualize)a thing, the stronger the road’s foundation becomes. This is called “plasticity.” A familiar face is processed through neuro paths that were laid out by past exposures to the person from your past. The larger the path, the more the recollection.-ex. Lady Gaga triggers more memories than Billie joe Jim Bob. I could break it all down for you, but only if you’re interested. Otherwise, I’ll just leave it here. Consciousness is easy to explain in physical terms. I have it figured out to about 99 percent. I’m looking for someone to challenge me, but so far all I get is the same dualist gibberish. The mind is an emergent process of the physical world. Reflex, inspiration, influence, motivation, and sub conscious are all words that describe the same thing. Physicality. As such, the mind is reducible to physical properties. Self awareness (consciousness) is the sum of present experience, plus all experience since birth and the memories of those experiences. Experience. Physical processes effect on the CNS. -red light hits specific cones in your retina. Close your eyes and try imagining red. The best you get is a memory of something red. You’re routing electrical impulse down “red street.” Memory. Default states of neuro pathways ..the way your brain was sculpted by physicality. Your physical brain is a sculpture. - if red is your favorite color, you must have spent a lot more time developing “red street.” Those electrical impulses which comprise red, mixed with some other memory (cross street) you made with your first love. The association/context might make your brain feel better as electrical impulses trigger endorphins. Everyone like those, because they feel good and make you happy. Red reminds you of Jessica in a hot Red bikini. Meanwhile, sage green reminds you of stale celery a bully made you eat. Dualists argue that self awareness emerges from the brain and is a different thing than the brain. While emergence may be half true, it does not mean consciousness is separate and fundamental. Consciousness is an extension to the physical brain. It’s like music that comes from grooves of a record. The music is physical--sound wave vibrations in air. Music is reducible by removing the air, speakers, wires, magnets and cartridge, needle, grooves, and record. Remove any one, and the music’s over. But the brain is also a transducer in that energy comes in, gets processed and converted, then sent to out in the form of physical action. Your brain mirrors the physical world. - running across a basketball court versus sauntering down a frozen driveway. OR speaking in a quiet baby nursery or shouting at a wrestling match. You actions mirror the world you experience. Even if you decided to yell in a nursery, you would have a reason. The reason could be obvious like “fire!” Or subtle like, “oh, I didn’t realize I was yelling. I had my head phones on.” I could go on all day. I’m writing a book actually. But the bottom line is this…. All things in the universe are reducible to the quantum fields. Like and I’ll fill you in with more details. I have many “common sense” principles I could share. I hope it helps. Thanks for reading this far!
It's just all speculation this man is arguing, there's no proof to any of this. The universe doesn't need consciousness or is designed to produce it. It just emerged, consciousness isn't fundamental
The discussion went very non specific when c became C. Still in both cases of C and c, the topic seems incomplete without exploring into how to measure conciousness. That is where in lies the crux in my opinion. How to measure it as well as how to define it. If we know how to measure conciousness, then speakers like mr. would stop making a very polite subject into a theosophical tangle. There are some easy ways to acertain conciousness, and those methods are still short of claiming absolute to the point of of truth. Change of composition/state of a biological or non biological object (system) based on an external (system) stimulation. If the object of study changes as a way to react then it is concious. From particle to living,this way everything is concious. What creates conciousness? Ans: Information. By information I mean upto the fact that information can process that it is just an information! Any single data is concious. How? Ans: It carries the potential of creating additional realities (based on additional information/data or if iota then remaining inert with the information. What creates information? Ans: it is simply created. The quantum science of creating something from nothing has a certain mathematics even if it probabilistic mathematics only. and the ability to process it is conciousness. Thats why phased mathematics is needed by universe to make things look concious. In other words only mathematics can give meaning to repeatition of information, making it more real and anything real stimulates consciousness. Mathematics has close link to conciousness. So basically anything created in the universe is concious (because everything is created in the same way based on a broad set of mathematical rules.) Mathematics is so hard core that it alone can explain creation (the science of creating something out of nothing and vice versa) This is the simplistic method to answer conciousness in my opinion.
If you spiritualists and woo woo slingers think you have it all figured out- why do you need to co-opt science? Could it be that you desperately need to borrow some validity and credibility from something that's not pure nonsense and arbitrary assertion?
Thank you, you are absolutely right in my humble opinion. The paradigm shift you mention will force us to give up our unconscious obsession with 1st person perspective (egoic mind) or the local aspect of our consciousness, how ever you want to call it and embrace the non-local aspect of consciousness, that which we all share. Both Penrose and Goswami show in their own ways that the brain is able to function both locally (in space-time) and non-locally (outside of space-time, or instantly). The task at hand for humanity is that we have to get over ourselves (the importance of our instantiated minds) and start to "think bigger". I'm certain that nature has a built-in safety switch of some sort. If a species cannot make that evolutionary step of overcoming the erroneous identification with the local aspect of their mind, they will self destruct. Let's hope we get 100 monkeys together to turn the ship around. Fingers crosssed.
If I knew, I wouldn't be sitting here, watching videos... If "spacetime is just a headset" (donald hoffman) and consciousness is a fundamental quality of the universe (bernardo kastrup) and if we de-couple consciousness from our fixed concept of it always having to be paired with an entity and/or agent, then why couldn't it?
Excellent! Glad to hear of open-minded researchers like Bernard Carr! Ancient India’s Samkhya viewpoint is that Consciousness with a big “C” and Ether with a big “E” are the fundamental structure of the Cosmos whether in ‘disturbance’-mode or in ‘quiescence-mode'. A Time/Space in the Universe when/where Purusha-Prakriti are absent is inconceivable. As inconceivable as emergence of the 12 fundamental numbers. Neither Consciousness nor Ether emerge. We in our complexity emerge into and out of them, not the other way around. The great mystery is the ‘something third’ -hence Sam.khya-the force in-between Siva & Shakti. From the Preface of my book, I quote -"we live using feeble light reflected in the moon of our thinking mind, oblivious to the sun’s radiance reflected in our heart-mind. The light of the thinking mind is but the reflection of a reflection in a corridor of mirrors.”
Well, I read it, cocoarecords notwithstanding. I am old school and do not believe everything can be grasped in 280 characters. If it could be it would have been. Moving on: This is as close to the concept I have come to believe as anything I have found in the historical record. I have come to believe, based on research and anecdotal evidence, that which we call self is an isolated portion of a universal environment of consciousness. I believe one function of the brain is to communicate with that conscious environment within the limits of that isolation. I have come to define consciousness as awareness of space time demonstrated by deliberate arbitrary action based on that awareness. That is why the mouse tries to eat the cheese, rather than try to eat the trap itself, but some mice do indeed chew on your socks, if they can get into the dresser. Lowly as they seem, mice too are conscious entities taking deliberate arbitrary action. That is among the things I have seen in the corridor of mirrors.
@@johnswoodgadgets9819 "That is why the mouse tries to eat the cheese, rather than try to eat the trap itself, but some mice do indeed chew on your socks, if they can get into the dresser." - Ross Perot, 1992
Please listen to this man again. He isn't "open minded" at all, simply filling in blanks he doesn't understand and sounding very close to mythological religious ideology.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 “it’s not complicated at all”… Where’s your Nobel prize for solving the hard problem MJ1? I love seeing comments from absolute fools like you. What is the advantage of having qualia? Why does a reaction to stimuli require awareness? You’re basically acting like someone pre-theory of gravity saying that things fall down and there’s nothing magical about it, things just fall down because they do… Great explanation!!! Turns out there was a lot more to it, was it magic? You could portray it as that though, the force of some magical unheard of power and the force of gravity, what is the difference? Lmao not complicated at all, good one.
He claims there is evidence in physics that indicates consciousness is fundamental. And then proceeds to give some of the weakest most unconvincing evidence ever. He says, clearly consciousness emerged with biology, but… But what? He should have said, but I want there to be more so let me twist logic and science into a reason for there being more. Unconvincing.
*"He claims there is evidence in physics that indicates consciousness is fundamental. And then proceeds to give some of the weakest most unconvincing evidence ever."* ... True, wave-function collapse due to observation isn't conclusive evidence of consciousness being fundamental, but let's be fair. It's not like he extrapolated an infinite network of infinitely existing universes from which every possible scenario is met with every possible outcome all from the inability to properly predict a particle's position, ya know?
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLCright!? 🤣 they think his reasoning is faulty but they don’t even question the many worlds interpretation for a second, arguably the most insane hypothesis ever conceived of… for which we still have zero evidence and is in principle unfalsifiable 🤣😂😂 it’s absurd
Excellent video. There is an ancient Hindu text that has a specific verses dedicated to remove confusion about the word "consciousness" as it it used an a wide variety of ways. Here is a translation from the original Sanskrit. "Not internal consciousness, not external consciousness, not in between consciousness (i.e. the state between waking and dream), not a cloud of consciousness (i.e. thoughts, ideas, etc.), not consciousness (i.e. knowledge of everything simultaneously), nor unconsciousness, beyond perception, beyond transaction, beyond grasp (formless), beyond designation, beyond thinking (i.e. beyond objectification), beyond description, the one whose essence is proof of a single Self (Atma/Consciousness), the cessation of the world (of the cycles of birth and death), tranquil, auspicious, non-dual, is considered the Fourth. That (is) the Self (i.e. Atma/Consciousness). That (Self, Atma/Consciousness) is to be known." Mandukya Upanishad, Verse 7
Consciousness results from electro-chemical synaptic excitations that utilize visual and aural memory. It's as though a loop tape is playing and that tape is constantly updating, both with our actual "real time" audio-visual experience, and the plethora of memories that are fed in and out of the consciousness loop. It is astounding how many snippets of memory can come and go as we experience consciousness. I put "real time" in quotes, because even that is necessarily a read of memory. There is no actual "current time" because each 1/infinity moment slips instantly into the past, and that immediate past appears to us as current. Consciousness provides creatures a vital set of inputs necessary for survival. The level of complexity of consciousness is relative to a creature's brain mass to body ratio. The human brain weighs about 3 pounds, and a very small amount of that mass processes consciousness. An ant's brain, proportional to her weight, is about 7 times the size of the human brain. A young ant learns at an astounding rate by tagging along with an older ant. An ant doesn't bother with spending 1/4 to 1/3 of her life being "educated" because she learns the essentials of life within a few minutes and then she devotes her life to the well-being of the colony. Her exponential rate of learning is accomplished by way of her proportionally enormous brain size. And her level of consciousness provides her with internal affirmation regarding the importance of her contribution. Her work is her play, and she sees her fellow worker/players enjoying the highly cooperative fulfillment to the well-being of the colony.
Your first paragraph is exactly correct, and reflects the idea of consciousness as "multiple drafts" of a story that keeps changing slightly, and briefly examined before continuous subsequent drafts. On the ant example I would suggest what is missing is the component of an examination of a perspective on the ant's own activities. I might guess second level happens with larger and more complex brains only.
The Universe is not a random coincedence. The Universe has a story which is unfolding as time passes. Its a long story. Existence was the first episode. Life was second. And consciousness like the one we humans possess now is the next chapter unfolding itself. May be Robotics and AI will help us explore the next chapter to expand our limits. The 'Story' of the Universe is the Higher Consciousness itself. It 'Knows' what its doing. Its following a plan. Just like a seed has all the information about how it will turn into a plant, and eventually a gigantic fruit bearing tree. The same way the Universe already had all the ingredients that were needed for this story to unfold. It cant just go back and say ohh I need one new element to make certain progress happen. It cant. It was all predecided, pre written. But are there any possiblities for miracles? Ofcourse :) Can the things go wrong? Ofcourse :) I mean even a plant has the risk of drying out, or getting cut or may be develop imperfections due to lack of nutrition. Or it can get the best resources out there and grow up to be the best version of itself. Thats just Fate. Backed by Faith :) Who wrote this story? I am quite sure there is a super human like God who wrote this story. But then ofcourse 'someone' created God and they were less human and more nature. And 'something' created those someone and so on. It all came from Nothing. We just have to accept that. I believe the biggest miracle is Existence itself. There could have been just nothing. Emptiness. Nonexistence. But there is Existence! Miraculously evolving into something so complex, unique, beautiful as well as scary at the same time. I am Awe struck. Thats Awe-some at times, Awe-ful at others. These are two sides of the same coin. We have to appreciate and accept both of them. I just wish science zooms out and develops the ability to look at the big picture. It carries the same ego that religion once carried. Greed for for fame, recongition, superiority, power. Those are just addictions. Happens automatically over a period of time. We need to shake it off. That voice inside us knows whats right. We need courage and strength to listen to it again and change our ways. Doesnt happen overnight though. I do wish Science finds the simplest explainations of our existence at the highest level.. which cant be proved in labs ofcourse.. just common sense and observation are enough. And then use those understandings to fill in the gaps backed by faith and sense of service towards humanity. Thats when answers come. Thats when they always come.
@@kunalnichani1 Interesting idea. I have to read it again and again because language is a poor tool to express truth. I have to be honest without imposing my prejudices before attempting to look into your ideas.
*_“… Everyone who is seriously engaged in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.”_* Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955), founder of modern physics (Theory of Relativity inter alia) and 1921 Nobel prize winner
Last years nobel prize in physics proved einstein determinism was always dumbass.. it proved "spooky action at a distance" is a thingamabob, You only think you're a 'real boy' because your mom told you so. You ASS/U/ME youre' real
The Universe is not a random coincedence. The Universe has a story which is unfolding as time passes. Its a long story. Existence was the first episode. Life was second. And consciousness like the one we humans possess now is the next chapter unfolding itself. May be Robotics and AI will help us explore the next chapter to expand our limits. The 'Story' of the Universe is the Higher Consciousness itself. It 'Knows' what its doing. Its following a plan. Just like a seed has all the information about how it will turn into a plant, and eventually a gigantic fruit bearing tree. The same way the Universe already had all the ingredients that were needed for this story to unfold. It cant just go back and say ohh I need one new element to make certain progress happen. It cant. It was all predecided, pre written. But are there any possiblities for miracles? Ofcourse :) Can the things go wrong? Ofcourse :) I mean even a plant has the risk of drying out, or getting cut or may be develop imperfections due to lack of nutrition. Or it can get the best resources out there and grow up to be the best version of itself. Thats just Fate. Backed by Faith :) Who wrote this story? I am quite sure there is a super human like God who wrote this story. But then ofcourse 'someone' created God and they were less human and more nature. And 'something' created those someone and so on. It all came from Nothing. We just have to accept that. I believe the biggest miracle is Existence itself. There could have been just nothing. Emptiness. Nonexistence. But there is Existence! Miraculously evolving into something so complex, unique, beautiful as well as scary at the same time. I am Awe struck. Thats Awe-some at times, Awe-ful at others. These are two sides of the same coin. We have to appreciate and accept both of them. I just wish science zooms out and develops the ability to look at the big picture. It carries the same ego that religion once carried. Greed for fame, recongition, superiority, power. Those are just addictions. Happens automatically over a period of time. We need to shake it off. That voice inside us knows whats right. We need courage and strength to listen to it again and change our ways. Doesnt happen overnight though. I do wish Science finds the simplest explainations of our existence at the highest level, which cant be proved in labs ofcourse, just common sense and observation are enough. And then use those understandings to fill in the gaps backed by faith and sense of service towards humanity. Thats when answers come. Thats when they always come.
Science is getting overwhelmed by logic and qualifications. Answers dont neccessarily come to the most hardworking, or the most qualified. Each generation doesnt have to prove its superior to the previous one. It doesnt have to be perfect or an expert at everything. The world has to relax the criterias a bit. Believe in fate, coincedence, luck, oneness, and randomness. Thats when magic will happen. Thats when it will stop getting curled up in random strings :)
Consciousness that humans posses now is evolving into Super Consciousness. It's not just about observation. It's about understanding as well. Knowledge of right and wrong. Followed by conscious actions having more degree of choice than the less conscious forms of nature. We are getting more control over the story being written. The story is trying to write itself using us as the medium. That's consciousness.
Consciousness evolved as a mechanism to enable life forms to have ideas. An organism that can have ideas contributed greatly to the survival the various species. Consciousness is therefore a conduit for ideas in the first instance. Consciousness is not necessary for us to breathe or the heart to beat, it is an attribute for survival. Why is that so hard to see?
What attribute? Ideas are arbitrary, untried in the 'idea state', and arguably are more of a detriment to survival than they are an attribute. What exactly is the evolutionary advantage in having ideas? The most successful organisms have no ideas at all.
Nonsense. The epiphenomenon of consciousness could not exist at all and we could have still evolved with all the complex brain processing we have now to lead to complex behaviour that could allow our genomes to thrive and reproduce.
He sounds like he believes in "Mother Nature." I think maybe, more realistically, he may be referring to a 'Consciousness Field'; from which a 'Consciousness Particle' can experience acceleration, develop mass & can emerge from or disappear back, into...
Consciousness evolved as a predictive mechanism, an extension of cognition and memory that enables populations to anticipate future events according to what has happened in the past, thus promoting survival and reproductive success. We humans have developed such complex consciousness that we sometimes become entangled in our own fantasies.
Consciousness is assigned a mystical quality which it actually lacks. It occurs in living creatures because it is essential for any living creature to survive. Memory is essential to consciousness. We remember experience through our internal and external sensory perceptions, all of which are electro-chemical processes of the brain. As we navigate through a real-time experience, we use memory of similar perceptions to process our way through that navigation. Memory is stored according to the intensity of sensory perception, and we reinforce those memories which intensifies them even more.
Maybe im missing part of your point but it seems like you maybe wanna suggest or make an argument that the brain is needed for consciousness or that consciousness is only in the brain. But it kind of seems like youre really only arguing for memory and organism consciousness needing brains or only being in brains. But that doesnt mean or logically imply that brains are needed for consciousness or that consciousness is only in the brain.
@@highvalence7649 it sounds like he’s saying consciousness is an illusion caused by our memory of things. I would disagree though because you’d still have the capacity to think.
@@highvalence7649 I think we need a definition of consciousness in order to discuss its implications. I think present time is not real in that it is 1 over infinity. Every moment immediately becomes the past. So we use memory to navigate what feels like the present, and for me, that extremely recent memory is the core of our consciousness. I see it as residing exclusively in the brain, mostly as that immediate memory, but with access to past memories as well. If people want to see consciousness as outside the brain, I would just like to know how they define it. If the galaxy or universe has a consciousness, that would be something that merits more than the capital "C" referenced in the video. I think it needs its own word and definition apart from individual animal consciousness.
@@stellarwind1946 Our ability to think requires the processing of memory, including synthesis. Creating new ideas through thought requires imagining, which is dependent on memory of sensory input. A musician plays note combinations on an instrument and uses memory of those progressions to arrange them into something new. That ability depends on the storage of memory snippets in the brain.
My computer has memory, why would it require qualia? Why does any mental process require qualia? All I hear you saying is “it just does”. Why can’t people be philosophical zombies, a human reacts from its environment, what about a reaction requires consciousness? When AI mimics humans as to being indistinguishable would you say they are conscious or not? If yes, why? When did it happen? And if no then why does a human need to be conscious?
Mysticism begins where science ends. But a lot of modern science would have sounded mystical to earlier scientists. The point is, if you want to expand the scope of the subject matter of science, you don’t do it by using words - use experimentation and maths. Science does not deal in some mystical ‘pure’ truth (such a view of truth breaks down necessarily into incoherence or tautology) - it progresses according to a coherence theory of truth: the more that new ideas can be convincingly connected to existing, established, demonstrable patterns of interconnection, the more credible they are considered to be. It isn’t difficult to step outside of scientific perspectives, look towards the edges of current scientifically demonstrable knowledge, and then posit, using the imprecise medium of words, some other version of ‘real reality’. But if you have some kind of intuition like that, don’t waste your time discussing it, instead look for ways of gathering testable evidence of types of phenomena that point in the direction of your hypothesis. Paradigm shifts don’t occur via conversations - Einstein demonstrated his ideas in scientific papers. Don’t talk, get to work.
Exploring the Nature of Consciousness and Medical Anesthesia I've been pondering the concept of consciousness lately, especially in the context of medical procedures where doctors use medications to induce partial or complete unconsciousness. It makes me wonder - did we create medications that truly affect consciousness, or are we more accurately dulling the senses while incorrectly using the term "consciousness"? Consider this analogy with the small sea of consciousness during medical operations. It raises questions about how we understand and manipulate consciousness. But then, how about the vast sea of consciousness in the Earth, universe, quantum world, etc.? Do we have any "methods" or "medications" to dull or alter the consciousness of nature on a grand scale? It's intriguing to think about. What are your thoughts on this? Can the consciousness of nature be influenced or altered, or is it beyond our grasp? Looking forward to hearing your perspectives! My perspective - Obviously if conciousness is fundamental in nature then it cannot be influenced or altered, if it has originated at a later point of time then maybe it can be altered, because what gets created can be destroyed as well. Cheers!
Ponder long and hard the fact that sometimes you are conscious and sometimes you are not. Have you noticed that your self ceases to exist when you are not conscious? Should you one day fall into a permanent deep and dreamless slumber, how would you be able to recognize the onset of your death? Does knowing that you are sometimes not conscious shade your estimation that being conscious might be 'fundamental'?
@@avi2125 I AM Conscious. Consciousness is not a 'something' that I have. You ARE Conscious. Consciousness is not a 'something' that you have. We ARE Conscious. Consciousness is not a 'something' that we have. There is no such 'thing' as 'consciousness'. Being conscious is a process of the body so that when the body ceases to run the process, being conscious ceases. If an anesthetic interferes with the process sufficiently then one will not be conscious. If LSD interferes with the process then experience is altered.
Hey @@REDPUMPERNICKEL Thank you for sharing your opinion. But still deep in thought about consciousness, when we're under anesthesia - not consciously aware, yet our subconscious memory and the fundamental functions keeps going like breathing, heart pumping blood, etc. It's like being in a state of induced sub-consciousness. Drawing a parallel with fundamentals: water flows due to gravity, but remove gravity, and water molecules/particles form a sphere. The concept of consciousness in itself can have different understanding from different perspectives, shaped by diverse experiences. My perspective: Consciousness seems like an "experience" difficult to be expressed in words, involving intricate processes like perception (input-output or action-reaction). Just as water molecules/particles respond to gravity, our organs which are collections of different conscious molecules/particles, form a conscious body with a brain, these bodies are collectively part of a conscious group of people, which are part of the conscious beings, and conscious surrounding/nature/universe - acting harmoniously. Self-consciousness, the "Me," arises-an experience exploring the fundamentals but bound by nature's rules. It seems like pixels on a TV creating a moving picture-an illusion mimicking reality. Similarly, the "Me" is an intangible concept, linked to neurons and reactions governed by fundamental rules. Love, emotions, understanding of consciousness, all tied to that intangible "Me." Would love to hear your thoughts on this analogy and your perceptions of the interplay between consciousness, "Me" and the fundamental aspects of existence. Cheers.
Hello @@MrSudesh1992 I'll write my corresponding understandings under quotes of what you wrote... "when we're under anesthesia - not consciously aware, yet our subconscious memory and the fundamental functions keeps going like breathing, heart pumping blood, etc. It's like being in a state of induced sub-consciousness" Even while an anesthetic prevents one's self-being-conscious-process from running or while the process is naturally halted as in a deep and dreamless slumber, the trillions of other bodily process instances persist, including the neural processes responsible for maintaining one's memories. "Consciousness seems like an "experience" difficult to be expressed in words, involving intricate processes like perception (input-output or action-reaction). Just as water molecules/particles respond to gravity, our organs which are collections of different conscious molecules/particles, form a conscious body with a brain, these bodies are collectively part of a conscious group of people, which are part of the conscious beings, and conscious surrounding/nature/universe - acting harmoniously". Molecules and atoms are mechanically and chemically reactive and their interactions are understood and described quite well by physicists, chemists, biologists, etc. Molecules and atoms exist and react but 'reactivity' is *not* what we mean by 'conscious'. Billiard balls react to impacts but who would insist they are conscious of such events? Only those who cannot distinguish between reactivity and conscious. Nevertheless, molecules and atoms, although individually not conscious, do constitute a level in the hierarchy of necessary substrates which underlie the self-being-conscious-process (in a way perfectly analogous to the way matter must exist if there is to be movement). The thoughts impressed on human apes by their co-evolved cultures are ultimately responsible for making humans conscious in the unique way that we are. "Self-consciousness, the "Me," arises-an experience exploring the fundamentals but bound by nature's rules. It seems like pixels on a TV creating a moving picture-an illusion mimicking reality. Similarly, the "Me" is an intangible concept, linked to neurons and reactions governed by fundamental rules. Love, emotions, understanding of consciousness, all tied to that intangible "Me."" A self is conscious of thoughts only. These thoughts represent things like trees and peaches. A pain represents something wrong with the system. A pleasure represents something that induces repetition. The self is a complex thought or more accurately, a thought complex. The self thought is unique in that it represents its self, all other thoughts representing something that is not the self. The self thought is the central feature of the self-being-conscious-process. Other thoughts modulating the self thought is to what the word conscious is referring. Of course what's going on is extremely complex and indeed, words struggle to do the process justice.
Very not true. Our level of consciousness does not exist in the animal world, much less in the single cell level. All those creatures have a strong will to survive; like viruses.@@kitstamat9356
Consciousness is only perplexing or "hard to understand" if you refuse to believe in God. Created is a better word for it than emerge. Once a person matures beyond these silly beliefs, and gives up the show of "not believing in God", the so called elusive explanation of consciousness becomes crystal clear. Consciousness is proof of God.
People have been projecting consciousness onto the universe since there have been conscious people and while we have countless examples of the misattribution of consciousness, so far no one has been able to demonstrate that this is the case.
Ironically, that projection is an indicator of the small"c". Would that science will someday get to a way to experiment. Won't happen for a long time imho, so for now it's relegated to an interesting topic of discussion.
What do yo mean "no one has been able to demonstrate"? you simply overlook Buddhism, Zen, and all mystics who suggest YOU take up the appropriate PRACTICES or tools of investigation to have these "ideas" Bernard Carr is talking about be clearly demonstrated. You have provided a pure materialistic conception that you project onto our reality -- I'm not buying it at all for you leave out too much counter-evidence.
Consider the possibility that all the 17 particle types of The Standard model (hence, also all the 118 Elements of the Periodic Table) are trillions of times larger than the particles inside the core of the earth that THE PLANTS access through their roots and grow as leaves flowers and fruits after incorperating them into the particles we measure as those of Stanndard Model (hence, also of The Periodic Table). Then, obviously, what we measure as Oxygen, Carbon, Hydrogen,..., Proteins, CO2, etc. ~ are all, in fact, compounds that already contain trillions of those particles (let's call them Sensons, and trillions of times still larger Feelons, which are themselves trillions of times tinier than even a photon) so tiny that the motions we measure as the 4 forces are totally INSENSITIVE to changes in them. Then neither mechanical, chemical, electromagnetic nor nuclear changes would have any influence on the content of these Sensons or even the much larger Feelons. If the combination of unique number of these Senson particles at unique positions of Feelons, which only interactions among plants may induce, cause what we call QUALIA or CONSCIOUSNESS, then we'd require a completely different system of particles, THE DIGITS, that enable us to count in our minds (NOT the electrons in the BITs of the chips we manufacture ourselves), the interactions among which follow the natural LAWS OF MOTION that we call the 4 basic rules of arithmetic operations (+ - × ÷), for deriving the mathematical model of the mechanism how particle interactions inside the earth enable development of, and growth on, PLANTS and subsequently also for deriving the meanings of QUALIA, CONSCIOUSNESS and LIFE as interactions among these SENSONS and FEELONS. Thereby also specifying the difference between PLANTS and BEINGS (ANIMALS and HUMANS) as corresponding to possession in any entity (that we call body of a being) of threshold numbers of FEELONS as characterizing constituents of that entity. So, attempting to measure the particles that cause Qualia, Consciouness or Life using the instruments with which the particles of The Standard Model are measured, would be the same as attempting to measure atomic weights on commercial weighing machines in Kgs and Tons. The measurements of SENSONS and FEELONS demand a completely different theoretical model linking particle interactions inside the core of the earth to development of, and growth on, PLANTS, totally unrelated to the NONLIVING instruments used in TEOS (The Experimental and Observational Science). All measurements MUST be sense and need perceptions of beings associable with development of, and growth on, PLANTS.
What he's saying, consciousness with a big C, underlies the Universe. This is Eastern thought a la Alan Watts, and I think he's really hit the key to the Universe.☯ Put simply without consciouness the Universe wouldn't actually exist; the essence of the concept of a tree falling in a forest and no one hears it.🕉
Neurosience doesnt know How figure out consciousness so far. Guys shows consciousness though emocional and rambling gibberich than neurosience figure It out proceendings. Dure he doesnt knows How show up conscieusness honestly.
Comment improved imho by adding 'and that the natures of its constituent particles enable them to dance together as they do'. (Size alone being only distantly relevant to the manifestation of the conscious).
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL - Certainly an improvent, in a very valid sense. I do however, attribute importance to the vastness (a redundant term for an infinitely large [in my estimation] stage) of the Tapestry, because its ‘boundlessness’ enables, nay, FORCES, everything, E V E R Y T H I N G, to occur, an infinite number of times.
@@yessroman There are some thoughts I cannot think to my satisfaction. Infinite is one and absolute nothing is another. I suspect this is because evolution made representation the fundamental nature of all thoughts so that the unrepresentable become unthinkable except at arms length via labels.
@@markb3786 *"What exactly is Cosmic Intelligence? I kept your capitalization as I guess it must be important."* ... I would say that raginald7mars408 is suggesting that cosmic intelligence (small 'c' and 'i') has always been present since the beginning, ... to which I would agree! However, only the bare minimum amount of intelligence is made present to facilitate whatever level of evolution happens next (nothing more - nothing less). To say this isn't so requires an explanation for how intelligence can emerge from a 93-billion-light-years-wide arena that's void of any intelligence whatsoever. ... That's the same logical debacle you would face as trying to get _"something from nothing."_ If you can accept that "intelligence" has always been present but at levels we cannot detect or discern based on our extreme level of intelligence, then where intelligence came from is no longer a mystery. ... It's just been here all along and "evolved" into greater complexity over time.
Key words, "I want". I don't care what he or Robert want. You have the burden to PROVE that consciousness, big C or little c, is somehow fundamental to the Universe. Let us know when you have data which does that. Until then I will continue to believe that consciousness is only the little c and emerges from brains.
If you start with the premise that the essence of life (the basis of mind and consciousness) is already present within the fabric of matter itself, then it is simply a tiny little step in imagining how inanimate (yet living) matter could become animate matter (micro-organisms) that can then evolve into higher forms of being that are then able to acquire consciousness.
*"f you start with the premise that the essence of life (the basis of mind and consciousness) is already present within the fabric of matter itself, then it is simply a tiny little step in imagining how inanimate (yet living) matter could become animate matter (micro-organisms) that can then evolve into higher forms of being that are then able to acquire consciousness."* ... You and I aren't far off on our overall concepts. I think our most substantive differences surround how consciousness has evolved over time. I DO agree that consciousness has been _"present within the fabric of matter itself"_ since the beginning, but I have its presence as being relative to the complexity level of the inanimate matter that wields it. *Example:* Two atoms exchange an electron only involves a miniscule level of consciousness (just enough to facilitate the exchange) whereas two self-aware humans exchanging ideas in a YT comment thread requires the most extreme levels of consciousness.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC *"...You and I aren't far off on our overall concepts...."* Well, at the risk of being accused of leaning too far into the mystical realms, like Bishop Berkeley, I believe that the universe is the *mind* of a higher consciousness. And as such, I believe that *in the same way* that that apple you may have munched on in a dream you may have had last night is completely saturated with your own life essence, likewise, so is a so-called "real" apple saturated with the life essence of a higher consciousness. In other words, the phenomenal features of the universe are created from an extremely advanced and highly ordered version of the same fundamental substance from which your own thoughts and dreams are created. *"...I DO agree that consciousness has been "present within the fabric of matter itself" since the beginning..."* No, not "consciousness" (which implies awareness), just the essence of life. What I described was simply an attempt to shed light on the mystery of *"abiogenesis."* For like I said, if the essence of life is already present within the fabric of matter, then it is just a tiny step to imagine how that life can emerge in the form of microorganisms which then can evolve into higher forms that become capable of acquiring consciousness (i.e., capable of waking up, with some acquiring self-awareness). _______
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLCDude +1, agreed. So does this make us subscribe to panpsychism then? (I'm trying to figure out how to identify my line of reasoning 😅)
@@stringX90 *"Dude +1, agreed. So does this make us subscribe to panpsychism then?"* ... I don't believe so. I think panpsychism posits that the level of consciousness we wield today has always existed, and all of the "stuff" happening in the universe since the beginning is this "universal consciousness" at play. I can't accept a universal consciousness that is axiomatically self-aware, fully intelligent, and knows things in advance (like when it's appropriate to facilitate the emergence of humans). ... It's too much like a watered-down version of God. I believe that *consciousness* and *information* are synonymous. What we label today as "Consciousness" was just rudimentary data during the earliest stages of the universe that's been evolving over time to the point that it now appears so dramatically profound and unique. It's like a stick figure drawing in comparison to Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel On a good note, we're positioned at the very top of the intellectual food chain in regard to intelligence and consciousness!
Why mystify? Consciousness = Awareness. It evolved initially from necessary awareness of threats to survival. Consciousness with a small c plus time became Consciousness with a large C.
Bill Hicks is the first person I’ve ever heard speaking about we are the universe experiencing itself. He said this during on of his comedy bits back in the early 1990’s. I’ve thought a lot about this over the decades since I heard that and it brings me a peace of sorts knowing that maybe I will transcend this mortal shell and live on. If nothing else I return to the void from which I came.
To all questions, what, how and why re consciousness we have no answers. With the question “where” we know from experiences, that the brain with the right side Is activated. The so called “ soul-side”. But we don’t know whether it is an inner process or an outer activity. Intuition and Inspiration could come from a superconsciousness, hyper, ultra inspiration. Electro-magnetic-field, Quanten -field or a morph-genetic-field , as Rupert Sheldrake suggests is a possible solution.
Consciousness is simply memories.. and memories are simply simultaneous actual first kisses occurring now and also simultaneous to tomorrow morning.. and a billion and one mornings from now. Your brain is not important to consciousness... you are immortal and grow your memories from lifetime to lifetime. Manifest enough to learn time is not linear.. or your manifesting cannot make sense as linear. Then you will understand your non muggle nature
@@waynehilbornTSSwhere’s your Nobel prize for figuring out the greatest mystery of the universe? You really think you’ve solved the hard problem don’t you. Sorry bro, but you haven’t, that’s just a thought that you’re egotistically sticking to because you like it.
@@ProjectMoffalthough I don’t agree with his posts, that whole “where’s you Nobel prize “ comment is dumb. There are thousands, if not millions, who have it figured out but will never be heard. Especially by the “corrupt” gate keepers of that prize. If you require that sort of pedigree to be convinced, I’m surprised you can even make it out the door to your car. Just because YOU haven’t figured it out, doesn’t mean others haven’t.
@@ProjectMoff- Consciousness is simultaneous actual events "unsmarts" deem memory. There is no hard problem... only if you're a materialist.. The universe is easily understood.. from this very answer alone.. without any books .. You will learn dying is safe after you are dead and every memory that makes you... you... is preserved as simultaneous actual events.. for eternity (bloody long time). I EASILY grasp time is not linear because those who manifest can see linear time doesn't often make linear time sense.. The past changes.. and NEWS FLASH.. I have it fully figured out... even if muggles deem themselves actual based on the say-so of their mommies and self pinching. How every religion/miracle works.... (not a debate at all) Imagine a skeptic was drowning in the ocean.. he will die. Now... Imagine the drowning person is a devout TOOTHFARIAN. This man attends Tooth Fairy Churches, donates to Tooth Fairy charities... and has always been a devout Tooth Farian. He even brushes his teeth 4 times per day. Now imagine the TOOTHFARIAN is drowning .. and he cries... "Please save me lord Tooth Fairy" This "Positive Outlook" seeds history. SUDDENLY! Three days ago (in the past), three days ago (in the past) (Did I mention this next part occurs in the past) Suddenly - three days ago. IN THE PAST, a cruise ship and 3000 passengers get a slightly different weather report AND/OR alter course an extra 2 degrees so they are now on course to rescue the TOOTHFARIAN 5 minutes after he starts praying. The TOOTHFARIAN was at home packing for his sailing adventure the following day and yet a cruise ship and 3000 passengers have already altered their superposition (They are Schrodinger cat in box) to match the expectation of the TOOTHFARIAN (supervising scientist). The error of Quantum Mechanics is simply that they use "Probabilities" to affect changes instead of "EXPECTATION".. a more accurate portrayal of what occurs. John Archibald Wheeler and EinsteIn preceded me in teaching TIME IS NOT A THINGAMABOB.. EVEN IF BIOLOGISTS AND PHILOSOPHERS fail TO READ AN ACTUAL NEWSPAPER. Energy follows ALL thoughts.. its all daydreaming vs worry baby. The problem is we reside inside a rpeb[ublicna loka and smug unsmarts deem science LNOT A RELIGION".. Of course science itself is a religion of fools IF... IF we share a common dream.. Science is FAITH DRIVEN to anyone more intelligent than a tomato. You have a lot of nerve to lecture me on my views when you're a silly materialist.. a person who has forgotten their own divinity.. You lot don't strike me as clever at all. Can you PROVE YOURE A REAL BOY... Without attaching a signed note from your mommy stating so... go ahead.. attahc a letter from your mommy stating you are real.. I mean.. maybe ill fall for it.. Im making it easy.. You want the Nobel Prize to issue a price to a non-materialistic view and I suggest a NOTE FROM YOUR MOMMY will be enough to fool a millennium of muggles. I want materialists to stop acting dumb... the universe is logical. You are remote viewing every word in this sentence you're learning simultaneously to now.. I'm sorry.. but you're a changeling immortal doomed to live forever and ever by default of the absence of time. Your TOASTER is conscious (void of brain - attn biologists) because it is aware (memory = consciousness - think it all the way through) it is not simultaneously at the factory being constructed (of various thought-forms) to converge with simultaneous expectations (daydream vs worries). Not a debate at all. I spoke on this forum because i teach consciousness.... well.. and dr robert Kuhn is annoying in his bias. Consciousness is SIMPLY simultaneous events you DEEM memories. End of... My "Theory of everything mind" is on youtube.. and it is not a debate. Simultaneous simulations can only work one way.. as described in this answer alone.. In FUTURE lifetimes lets hope mankind gets some smarter mommies. BIOLOGISTS EAGERLY IGNORE simultaneous time (which negates scientific methods' repeatability factor also). PHILOSOPHERS EAGERLY IGNORE simultaneous time (which negates scientific methods' repeatability factor also). I'm a magician.. I teach how to manifest stuff.. I know how it works.. Magic is real and science is technically fake news. If you chaps wish to ignore how reality works.. that is fully upon you.. its your path. I've written three books and two of them are online as videos.. and Im not dumbing down consciousness for my sake. I already know dying is perfectly safe and that all my memories are forever stored as actual events.. John Archibalds Wheeler's contributory universe comes close... if you want to study someone clever. Consciousness is SIMPLY simultaneous events you DEEM memories.. period, End of. Good luck with the self pinching, etc.. I'm sure it proves something. Dream toast = kitchen toast (simplified) The most logical explanation for all.. is hermetic principle number uno.. "life is but a dream sh-boom sh-boom" (paraphrased) Wayne p.s. Not a debate.. when you manifest you can see many things that did not make linear time sense and magic gets quite disney at higher levels
The phrase, "first person experience" is redundant since "first person" means 'self' and a self is an instance of the being-conscious-thought-process and "experience" is the modulation of that process by other thoughts. I.e., 'experience' contains 'first person' within its meaning. There is not and there cannot be non-first-person experience.
I think the following is Closer To Truth. The mind is the state of the electromagnetic field of the body. There are two main forms of Consiousness, passive and active. All Consiousness is Electromagnetic Field Modulation, similar to a modulated radio carrier wave. The active Mind/Consciousness is formed from the smallest EM fields of every sub-atomic particle. Add an atomic layer for each atom. Then a molecular layer for each molecule. Continue with another layer for organelles. Proceed with a cell layer, all the way up to a complete living animal. The brain is an organ that is highly sensitive to this locally modulated EM Field. This modulated EM Field is many orders of magnitude greater in complexity than the EM Field generated by, let's say, a power cable. Every object that produces an EM Field has a form of Consciousness, it can be active or passive. The interaction of all EM Fields would hint at the existence of a greater Consciousness.
Interesting hypothesis! Assuming it's true, would you agree with the statement "Every cell is conscious?" How about "every atom is conscious? (At least of each other atom?)"
@@stringX90 I would agree. Any object that generates an electromagnetic field has consciousness. Some consciousnesses would be static like inert material while other consciousnesses would be dynamic as in a living being. The smaller EM Fields combine to form a new EM Field representative of the larger structure while maintaining their individual EM Fields. A form of "Emergance" happens. The total is greater than the sum of its parts.
OR.. OR.. OR>.. Consciousness is MEMORY = simultaneous actual first kisses, etc. Not brain related.. attuning to actual events in our life is memory. I'm not debating.. Consciousness is memory and you're experiencing and learning everything now.
What Is God? What Is Space? What Is Energy? What Is Consciouness? The Mind of God Is Infinite Space, All Infinite Space Is Vibrations of Pure Energy of Infinite Frequncies, the Essence of All That Is, that Existed before the physical universe and all life existed. If you took the physical universe and all physical life out of the equation, like before the so called big bang, what existed then? Infinite Space Existed, and the Energy of All Space Existed. So for the big bang to happen the Laws of Forces had to be Created in the fabric of Space from the Mind of God for any so called big bang to happen, unless you are stupid enough to think that these Laws Created Themselves?
Consciousness is a feedback system of 5 senses. Comparing new sense to older senses is the mechanism of evolution. One can say consciousness is 6th sense. Newborn does not have consciousness, however as baby grows with data collected through 5 senses and feedback comparison, consciousness emerges. Entire perception of the universe that we humans have is evolution of energy in each of us.
Pipe dream, wishful thinking; overreaction to a fear of death. And by the way, a totally useless idea as far as being able to do any real science with it.
@@oskarngo9138 *"Like intelligent design, Big C is just a Religion or belief for people who can’t figure out Consciousness yet...."* ... Which is closer to mimicking religion: "Multiverse Theory" or "Big Consciousness?"
Look up double slit experiment. And read the book “Biocentrism: how life and consciousness are the keys to understanding the true nature of the universe” by Robert Lanza
If you are a Physicist or know about state equations, imagine you are given the pressure and density of a gas and are asked, how does the temperature arise? If you know you stuff you would answer, the temperature does NOT arise, the temperature is concomitant with the pressure and density. This is, in my view, why consciousness is there, a quality associated with bialogical states, not something that "emerged" from evolution. What emerged is the biological state, and consciousness just comes along with the package. So far, experiments are consistent with this view. If you asked, could there be animals without consciousness, and the answer were no, this would not be because consciousness is requires by evolution, but because it is intrinsic to biological states associated with evolution.
@@markb3786 *"Blue slime mold can solve complex optimization problems without a brain."* ... That's because blue slime mold possesses a *bare minimum* amount of intelligence necessary to facilitate whatever optimization problems it may face (no more - no less). However, if it was ever required to optimize problems associated with highly complex, global social media platforms (like YT) via automated algorithms ... then your "blue slime mold" would be required to evolve into a human over time.
Rather : « Why consciousness neither comes or goes” Because consciousness is the only “thing” which is” The only “thing” you’ll ever know because everything perception is perceived at 0 distance from consciousness included this conversation about consciousness… ❤
Excellent additional contribution to the overall question of consciousness examined in this > 5,000 video series. Nobody more qualified to engage in this particular conversation at this point than Dr. Kuhn.
Really... I'd argue Dr Kuhn was gobsmacked upside the head by his mommy when she told him he was a 'real boy... and that he was shallow in character to simply ass/u/me his mommy wasn't a dumbass. Your consciousness is MEMORY... Period.. nothing more. There solved.... What you may also not realize though.. is memories are always the actual simultaneous first kisses, etc.. occurring simultaneously to both now and also a billion and one year's form tomorrow. I view Dr Kuhn and most muggles as absolute unsmarts. Manifest and pay attention.,,. anyone past the age of seven should easily notice energy following ALL thoughts. You are MEMORY... and your TOASTER is conscious (void of brain) because it can (pantheistic ) sense (memory = consciousness) it is not at the factory anymore One day your toaster shall become a plant to learn to breathe.. and a fishy that waggles its buttocks to move... lifetime to lifetime we grow.. Evolution is PERSONAL. One day (simultaneously to now) your toaster will drive a fancy human avatar.. all shiny. and he will forget he was once a toaster and a fishy. You have ZERO reasons to think you're not living the dream.. except the say so of >5000 mommies. and self pinching. Reality is actually very very simple... energy follows all thoughts.. period Dr Kuhn needs to have a smarter mommy in a few more lifetimes. LOGICALLY>.. science itself is the dumbest region if we share a common dream (expectations cause quantum collapses.. even into the perceived past). FAITH runs the kaboodle.. (true story) Oh.. and I used our known taught explanation of simultaneosu time to help you realize your divinity... no bible nuttery. or mommy woo.. Reality is very simple... but you need to possess logic and common sense.
Why do elementary particles exist? Why do the Laws of Nature exist? Both have existed for an infinite period of space-time. Elementary particles following the Laws of Nature (both of which require the other to exist) are conscious at the most simple basic levels through all intermediate levels to the most complex levels... So, consciousness began with elementary particles following the Laws of Nature which began an infinite distance in space-time ago. Why is that? How can that possibly be answered? Maybe some questions cannot be answered.
Animals are self-aware, they possess the Qualia, we know very well that : Animals have pain and pleasure and desires and fears ! A number of them can recognise their reflection in a mirror, and some of them can even have a notion of what another animal have in mind, thanks to the Theory of Mind, which is a region of the brain of certain mammals. Our idea of consciousness is just us applying our "Theory of Mind" onto ourselves. That creates a two facing mirrors situation with you in between as you must have experienced at some point between two real mirrors. At that point - when you reflect upon yourselves - your "Theory of Mind" holds a transitory and shifty "Theory of Self", until we pass on to something more practical, and our consciousness fades to a minimum, which is most of the time, until it is aroused again. That's all there is to it. Thought I reckon it matters a lot to ourselves : All the issues come from our self-importance, and our greed for the Mirific Free-Will and a Grand Consciousness ! If you want to say everything is conscious, then you are actually referring to cognition, which is the the object of studies that brought the notions of 'properties' or 'categories' in metaphysics. Particles , or waves function, have properties that, beyond our possible observations, that define 'its' cognition of the world/environment where it can only react in a certain number of ways. Extend that using emergence and there is your recipe. No deep mystery !
In my opinion I detect some level of magical thinking. I think consciousness is an evolved survival mechanism. No conscious animal wants to die. Every conscious animal wants to continue its existence. In fairness I could be wrong truth be told we as a collective have a very poor understanding of consciousness.
According to Mr. Carr’s Wikipedia page: “He has interests outside physics, including psychic research.[2] He has been a member of the Society for Psychical Research (SPR) for thirty years, serving as its education officer and the chairman of its research activities committee for various periods. He was president of the SPR from 2000 to 2004. He is currently president of Scientific and Medical Network (SMN) in the UK. “He has been the co-holder of a grant from the John Templeton Foundation for a project entitled Fundamental Physics and the Problem of our Existence. He is the editor of a book based on a series of conferences funded by the Foundation, entitled Universe or Multiverse? Bernard Carr also made an appearance in the documentary film The Trouble with Atheism, where he discussed these concepts, and also appeared in the science documentary film Target...Earth? (1980).”
Why ask why consciousness emerged, when there is noone to tell _what_ it is? How can you see why - when you cannot see what? If somebody really knows what it is, please tell!
What Is God? What Is Space? What Is Energy? What Is Consciouness? The Mind of God Is Infinite Space, All Infinite Space Is Vibrations of Pure Energy of Infinite Frequncies, the Essence of All That Is, that Existed before the physical universe and all life existed. If you took the physical universe and all physical life out of the equation, like before the so called big bang, what existed then? Infinite Space Existed, and the Energy of All Space Existed. So for the big bang to happen the Laws of Forces had to be Created in the fabric of Space from the Mind of God for any so called big bang to happen, unless you are stupid enough to think that these Laws Created Themselves?
Well, praps e.g. human brain just "modifies" ubiquitous Consciousness, like a computer modifies, so to speak, electricity?? To think that a computer makes electricity emerge, is rather stoopid! -- Greetings form Finland, the Land of Käärijä (Wrapper). 🙃
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the founder of the Transcendental Meditation technique claimed already back in the 1980's that the Unified Field described by Quantum Physics and Consciousness, was the same. But it is a non-object and therefore not measurable in time and space. MMY claimed Consciousness is existence itself and that we can experience it all the time as our inner Self Awareness (the knowing that we exist). So according to MMY's theories the subtlest quantum levels of the universe and human Awareness, is the same.
Conscious are emerging from SOUL. If SOUL is staying in between our eyes brow and above the nose We are conscious. But the Soul stay in the neck We are sleeping with dreams. If it's stay in our chest We are sound sleep. It comes to in between our sex organ and anus We are dead. Please refer the old Tamil literatures. SOUL is not phisical matter, it's size is 8 time less than proton. But it's INTELIGENT. It's more brighter than millions Sun's brightness. If you want see or know it then you must have a true Guru( not teacher). At present our science knowledge is as child.
Thank you Mr. Carr. 🌹 Brave stuff. In God the Universe, Consciousness has to be fundamental or inherent, "built in". We conscious beings created by God could not be created from anything except a Conscious source. However, as God is not a being as most understand the word, attributing Consciousness to the Universe and including it in a "theory of all" may require a bit of mental adjustment. It's good to see C considered, as it's part of the invisible or metaphysical realm, which includes mind or mentality. Another metaphysical term from the East is Spiritual Consciousness, synonymous with Spirit in the Bible or Atman in Sanskrit.
Sounds to me like the standard Christian nationalist self-justification. That is, I don't "know" what it is.....BUT, geez, how do I make myself 'special?' I.E. "big C" vs. "little C". For those interested in this issue, I prefer Lawrence Krauss' s assertion that we are simply 'stardust.' Physically true, yet aesthetically pleasing to, well, to poetry-inclined in us.
Consciousness is fundamenal and doesn't happen in the brain, and Creation and All Thoughts come from the Mind of God, Period. Imagination - Process of Pure Creation The process of creation starts with thought - an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought. This is true of the universe as well. Thought is the first level of creation. Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact. Words are the second level of creation. Next comes action. Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything. The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced. Conversation With God - The Holy Trinity You are a tree-fold being. You consist of body, mind, and spirit. You could also call these the physical, the non-physical, and the meta-physical. This is the Holy Trinity, and it has been called by many names. That which you are, I am. I am manifested as Three-In-One. Some of your theologians have called this Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Your psychiatrists have recognized the triumvirate and called it conscious, subconscious, and super-conscious. Your philosophers have called it the id, the ego, and the super ego. Science calls this energy, matter, and antimatter. Poets speak of mind, heart, and soul. New Age thinkers refer to body, mind, and spirit. Your time is divided into past, present, and future. Could this not be the same as subconscious, conscious, and superconscious? Space is likewise divided into three: here, there, and the space between. It is defining and describing this "space between" that becomes difficult, elusive. The moment you begin defining or describing, the space you describe becomes "here" or "there." Yet we know this "space between" exists. It is what holds "here" and "there" in place - just as the eternal now holds "before" and "after" in place. These three aspects of you are actually three energies. You might call them Thought, Word, and Action. All three put together produce a result - which in your language and understanding is called a feeling, or experience. Your soul (subconscious, id, spirit, past, etc.) is the sum total of every feeling you've ever had (created). Your awareness of some of these is called your memory. When you have a memory, you are said to re-member. That is, to put back together. To reassemble the parts. When you reassemble all the parts of you, you will have re-membered Who You Really Are. GOD THE FATHER is knowing - the parent of all understanding, the begetter of all experience, for you cannot experience that which you do not know. GOD THE SON is experiencing - the embodiment, the acting out, of all that the Father knows of Itself, for you cannot be that which you have not experienced. GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT is being - the disembodiment of all that the Son has experienced of Itself; the simple, exquisite is-ness possible only through the memory of knowing and experiencing. This simple being is bliss. It is God-state, after knowing and experiencing Itself. It is that for which God yearned in the beginning. Of course, you are well past the point where you must have it explained to you that the father-son descriptions of God have nothing to do with gender. I use here the picturesque speech of your most recent scriptures. Much earlier holy writings placed this metaphor in a mother-daughter context. Neither is correct. Your mind can best hold the relationship as: parent-offspring. Or: that-which-gives-rise-to, and that-which-is-risen. Adding the third part of the Trinity produces this relationship: That which gives rise to / That which is risen / That which is. This Triune Reality is God's signature. It is the divine pattern. The three-in-one is everywhere found in the realms of the sublime. You cannot escape it in matters dealing with time and space, God and consciousness, or any of the subtle relationships. On the other hand, you will not find the Triune Truth in any of life's gross relationships. The Triune Truth is recognized in life's subtle relationships by everyone dealing with such relationships. Some of your religions have described the Triune Truth as Father, Son. and Holy Ghost. Some of your psychiatrists use the term super-conscious, conscious, and subconscious. Some of your spiritualists say mind, body, and spirit. Some of your philosophers say a thing is not true for you until it is true in thought, word, and deed. When discussing time, you speak of three times only: past, present, future. Similarly, there are three moments in your perception - before, now, and after. In terms of spatial relationships, whether considering the points in the universe, or various points in your own room, you recognize here, there, and the space in between. In matters of gross relationships, you recognize no "in-between." That is because gross relationships are always dyads, whereas relationships of the higher realm are invariably triads. Hence, there is left-right, up-down, big-small, fast-slow, hot-cold, and the greatest dyad ever created: Male-Female. There are no in-between in these dyads. A thing is either one thing or the other, or some greater or lesser version in relationship to one of these polarities. Within the realm of gross relationships, nothing conceptualized can exist without a conceptualization of its opposite. Most of your day-to-day experience is foundationed in this reality. Within the realm of sublime relationships nothing which exists has an opposite. All is One, and everything progresses from one to the other in a never-ending circle. Time is such a sublime realm, in which what you call past, present, and future exists inter-relationally. That is, they are not opposites, but rather parts of the same whole; progressions of the same idea; cycles of the same energy; aspects of the same immutable Truth. If you conclude from this that past, present, and future exist at one and the same "time," you are right. (Yet now is not the moment to discuss that. We can get into this in much greater detail when we explore the whole concept of time - which we will do late.) The world is the way it is because it could not be any other way and still exist in the gross realm of physicality. Earthquakes and hurricanes, floods and tornadoes, and events that you call natural disasters are but movements of the elements from one polarity to the other. The whole birth-death cycle is part of this movement. These are the rhythms of life, and everything in gross reality is subject to them, because life itself is a rhythm. It is a wave, a vibration, a pulsation at the very heart of the All That Is.
This is my view on Consciousness. First of all, Dr. Mark Solms reminds us that the brain 🧠 is an organ. Inside the brain is our mind. I believe that the mind contains our unconscious and our conscious mind. For simplicity, let's say that our unconscious mind holds the Collective Unconscious. The material in our unconscious mind goes back into early ancient history and holds memories experienced by our forefathers. I suppose it could go back to apes and baboons. At any rate, as we are able to experience the dream life that is stored in our unconscious minds and accept what those dreams and telling us, we become more conscious on a personal level. Of course, this material is exceedingly difficult to achieve and accept.😮 Yet, this is the true way to become fully (70-90%) Conscious. This is why psychoanalysis (Freudian style, only) is important. However, (as an aside) psychoanalysis must be updated for the 21st century. I believe Mark Solms refers to our unconscious mind as the Id. (I think I heard him say this in one of his RUclips presentations. ) It made sense to me because digging into my Unconscious mind allowed me to realize what I've shared above. To be honest, it's important to observe one's dream life and to record dreams. Only here are we allowed to realize how prehistoric many of our impulses are. Mankind is Deterministic just as Freud said and Robert Sapolsky writes in his book (Determinism, just published.) There are other techniques to allow ourselves to get in touch with the verboten desires stored in our dreams, but that's a different conversation. Who else is talking/writing about this material that I forcefully stumbled onto myself? Anyone? There must be others who wanted the big Conscious ness.😮😢😮😂😅❤
You lost me at woo. Well... I hung there. No, consciousness isn't another force of physics. A theory of everything must mention mentality, because in my opinion... 😂 Science doesn't work that way. This is utter quackery.
Evidence comes from latin 'obvious to the eye or mind'. So, no evidence without 'eye or mind'. Since science is suposed to be based (or relies) on evidence, we have to conclude that there can't be physical reality without 'eye or mind'. Just try to imagine any physical reality or universe without evidence ('eye or mind', consciousness, awareness...); it's entirely impossible, nonsensical...
If you want to understand the big “C” talk to my ex girlfriend
I'd rather talk to your current wife
More and more physicists and other leading scientific thinkers seem to be endorsing the idea of some kind of "metaphysical" mechanisms, however tenuously, mostly linked to the ideas of Quantum Theory.
For me this is very heartening.
Like who?
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Roger Penrose for one. have you not been watching the other videos?
It is at least encouraging. We are approaching the limits of physics, and I fear it has become so institutionalized that further enlightenment beyond physics will be bogged down in protective doctrine.
@@MYOB990 a few...thanks
@@MYOB990 Yes. And Penrose asserts that consciouness is not algorithmic. I guess that it is a statement that can only be disproved, rather than proved.
Bernard Carr is absolutely wonderful! Such a great scientist and a wonderful human being! ❤
consciousness is above all awareness of the self, when a child begins to say "I", he begins to become aware of his person and then the anxiety of his finitude seizes him. he then feels desperately lost in the face of the absurdity of his own existence. then comes into play the tales and legends, the entertainment, all the crutches necessary for him to continue walking to the grave.
There is chocolate and getting laid in compensation.
ponder the fact of existence rather than non existence and you will find love, joy and glory
Ok, I'll bite. With all those negatives, why become aware of self in the first place? Evolutionarily speaking, we have developed instincts that preclude us from participating in our certain demise. Inherent wariness of heights, loud noises, etc. Why would 'awareness of self' be the exception? So great of an exception that simultaneous to that realization, (which has no basis in reality anyway) the concept and efforts to abate the concept developed universally. Could it be that 'self' is an inherent condition and we merely react to it and have evolved coping methods just as we have other environmental conditions over which we have no control? After all, other creatures have evolved automatic defenses against demise. Sense of self is not only not required, but also from a pristine perspective detrimental.
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Imagine civilization to be humanity's phenotypic carapace that co-evolved to protect us from nature red in tooth and claw.
Easy to see that the complexities of multi million member civilizations requires us to be conscious in the way we are.
Hard to imagine any civilization co-evolving with any organism that is simply reactive and/or instinct driven.
See Julian Jaynes' great book,
"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" for the theory on which these thoughts are based.
I think that you could be a good person to know
''It is clear consciousness did emerge.'' Only if you think it emerged with brains which is'nt establish. Bergson made the point that digestion existed much prior to the evolution of specialised digestive organs and so in the same manner the function of consciousness may preceded the emergence of brain which are concentrated nervous systems. Many in fact argued that consciousness is central to all lifes and some argued that organic life is'nt the only forms of life and that the Universe is alive and conscious and in that case consciousness of the Universe in its most primitive form would exist and everything would emerge from it and not the other way around.
When one is conscious, one is conscious OF some thing.
When one is not conscious OF any thing, one is not conscious.
Consciousness is not a something.
Consciousness is just the label for the being conscious process.
'One' is an instance of the being conscious process but
only while it's running.
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL In meditation one often experience brief moment of burst of consciousness when one is conscious of nothing. So it is not true that there is always an object of attention, or that one is always conscious of something. So this common place mantra is just false.
@@louisbrassard9565 When one is conscious of nothing,
one is not conscious of anything.
When one is not conscious of anything,
one is not conscious and
one is not existent.
The reason one is able to porpoise in and out of existence is because
one is an instance of the self-being-conscious-process which supervenes on one's continuously persistent physical living bodily substrate.
When the self-being-conscious-process is running, the self exists and is conscious.
But change the way the process runs,
even a little in critical places,
and it is no longer a self-being-conscious-process and one is non existent and not conscious.
Thoughts have two aspects.
One is the abstract aspect, what a thought represents.
The other is the physical process that maintains the representation in coded form.
This is analogous to how the two dimensional surface of a painting
represents a pipe
whereas a pipe in actuality is made of briar, exists in three dimensions and sometimes contains burning tobacco.
It is apparent that our representation/thoughts are physically maintained by neural discharge timing patterns and that the thinking process is mediated by the synapses that connect and allow thoughts to intermodulate.
The self-being-conscious-process is a very, very, very complex thought that is constantly being modulated by other thoughts. Unconscious is the result of other thoughts ceasing to modulate the self-thought.
Of course I'm speaking theoretically but only because our technology is not yet able to keep track and analyze the simultaneous timing patterns of the 85 to 100 billion neurons in a human brain.
I find it very strange how we talk about consciousness without having a definition of consciousness.
Step 1: What is consciousness?
the thing in your head , your thinking
@@FirstnameLastname-ps4cu I do not mean consciousness is just from the brain. sorry. but you are so angry to me !
@@duongkstn Passion my good man, anger is for young people.
The feeling of how it's like to be
We don’t have an equation for it either. Consciousness is the ability to reflect on your thoughts, actions and behaviour that allows you to then alter your thoughts, actions and behaviour so that we don’t suffer the same mistakes over and over again of unconscious actions and behaviour, self awareness.
Natural selection of the mind.
We need honest physicists like this guest. He tells it as he sees it. Those who try to keep science in the shackle of absolute physicalism are doing a great disservice to the field of science and humanity at large.
The problem is that whenever you accidentally drive on to the shoulder of pseudoscience or science that can't be falsified, you get a whole bunch of Christian god of the gaps nonsense. And it is creeping into the school at least in America.
@@markb3786 Hmmmm, which one is the "Christian god of the gap nonsense"?
@@markb3786 *"The problem is that whenever you accidentally drive on to the shoulder of pseudoscience or science that can't be falsified, you get a whole bunch of Christian god of the gaps nonsense."*
... So, some other ideology you don't subscribe to is *preventing you* from exploring other possibilities regarding our existence? And why? Because it may lean toward theism? That's like choosing to not eat pancakes because it reminds you of "Flat Earth Theory."
The core of science in experimentation, observability and repeatability. The problem with dealing with consciousness is that it's not observable. You can never really be sure if others are conscious in same way as you are. In many ways, it can be shown that different people process things differently, like some with aphantasia are unable to picture things in their mind. Is this a sign of less (or even no consciousness). Is a dog conscious? Maybe you are the only actually conscious person and everyone else is just faking it? You never really know and science can't really help you prove it, because it doesn't even have the basest building blocks of consciousness.
Ultimately the only way science can analyze consciousness is to try to tie it to some materialist lens, like interactions between electrons or something, but at that point it could just be missing the entire point of what consciousness is in a desperate effort to fit it into a measurable physicalist box. Of course if it's not a physical thing, then it becomes essentially impossible to measure.
Personally I think consciousness is just beyond science right now, we should focus on trying to create life from unlife, as that will tell us the most. If we are unable to do it, then it may hint at there being something special about the state of life beyond just the material. If we can do it, then the materialist viewpoint gains a lot more credibility that life is simply an organization of matter.
@@taragnorI agree with your concluding paragraph but I disagree with the others.
You said consciousness is not observable. I think that statement is most incorrect. If anything, consciousness is the most observable because it is an inner experience. At every awakened moment of our existence we innerly feel, experience and understand what it is to be conscious.
Secondly, that you may be the only conscious person among all others and that the others may be faking consciousness is a baseless idea and self deceptive. How can someone fake something if they are not conscious? How could humans work together as a team if only one of them is conscious? That view of consciousness doesn't make sense.
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
Any aim to extend our knowledge with mainstream scientific paradigm (which is information), will in my opinion reveal that the knowledge of the microcosmos as well as the macro cosmos are fractal in nature.
I think most scientists would rather see it as reaching for the asymptote of information, whilst possibly, there's no asymptote to start with. I think that is a result of the limitation of our senses and intelligent capacity.
We might see ourselves as intelligent, but I think we are not capable of even grasping the very fundament of it all.
I find Carr's view on things (and he's not alone) the most logical and consistent.
(4:20) *BC: **_"To me, a theory of physics which does not make any reference to our experience, our consciousness, is far from the theory of everything; it's just a theory of everything to do with fundamental physics"_* ... Which has been my argument all along and the basis for my book. Science observes manifestations of self-awareness happening within the past 300,000 years of human existence and summarily proclaims *_"That's all there is to see, folks! ... Now, let's talk 'Multiverse!"_*
Many people's core beliefs preclude them from even considering that there might be a _"bigger picture"_ in regard to a self-aware consciousness. Some don't want to out of a desire to shore up their core beliefs whereas others simply don't want to out of spite - because they think it sounds too much like God.
The _"bigger picture"_ is that a self-aware consciousness is what you end up with after a 14-billion-year-long evolution of *information.* Everything going on inside your head has been going on in lesser degrees since the beginning of Existence ...
... We just happen to exist during the highpoint of this ongoing _"evolution of data."_
Still others don’t subscribe because no one has proven duality exists. It’s unfalsifiable. We can speculate and I’m sure there are people who could theorize and argue rocks are self aware, based on some round about logic, but at the end of the discussion, no brain = no consciousness. This is a proven and testable fact. Consciousness is not fundamental if you can remove the brain, and consciousness dissolves with it; emergent or not. Physical events happen and if the brain is sculpted correctly, the electrical impulses synch in phase with the transducer and the signal is received and processed. The process happens “in the brain.” The brain has to do the heavy lifting, not some cosmological miracle or sentient quarks and bosons. Nothing fundamental spoon feeds the brain ready-made conscious experiences. The event of a thing is not the conscious event. The event of a thing is a recipe for the brain to operate. The physics of an event is information. A book is not conscious:; the words are not conscious; the information is not conscious ….the reader and their brain are.
If consciousness were external to physicality, then it wouldn’t be subjected to locality. We would experience events on the opposite side of the universe, without the lag of relativity. We would also know things we never connected with vis physical locality. Too bad, because I’d love to know what it’s like to walk on Mars while having infinite knowledge of everything.
But let’s assume you’re right. I was once a amateur practicing Tibetan Buddhist and believed heavily in duality. So this will be easy for me.
I’m assuming the theory is: There’s a dimension of universal consciousness (Buddha) and we somehow pick it up when the frequencies of the consciousness and our brain synchronize; tuning into the ‘universal consciousness.” Different conscious states are the result of the limits of physicality. Like looking out of a rainy window and trying to count leaves thru the blur.
We don’t have access to ‘all knowing truth’ because out physical brain limits the sheer vastness of universal comprehension. The universe subjugates us to the trudge of the Higgs boson and we are condensed energy from the harmonious fabric of the true universe; Manifestations based on our attachments to physicality.
Upon death, we break the physical bonds of this bound dimension to become one with the ethereal plain of universal consciousness. We enter the bardo and our journey is weighed with universal karma and accumulated karma. If we are wise, we break the cycle of death and rebirth to spend eternity in oblivion. Etc. Nirvana.
I’m assuming conscious is the only thing that is real, but our brains distort it, bending it to the physical dimensions/universe we reside in. It’s not a new theory. It’s been around since Buddhism was founded.
There’s just one problem with all that. If universal consciousness is governed by the physical/living brain, then it’s still reducible because if it weren’t, consciousness would be unaffected by physicality. Why would it not?
This is superb. As a research scientist and a deeply spiritual person this aligns with my thoughts so well.
Please do more with Bernard Marr
Agreed. I kept saying YES to myself over and over as the questions continued. Awesome convo
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Sounds good 😊. If you are not already familiar with Advaita or Nonduality, you may find it interesting to know more.
My or yours, quantumphysically speaking?@Pardis-og3tb
What do you think of my comment above? John 3:16
We always need to find bigger, noble, religious spiritual notions. Why can't we just admit there is a physical object (the brain) generating through whatever complex mechanism a conscious experience? No no, there has to be some universal foundamental consciousness (a.k.a. God) that is "observing" itself. Whatever that means 🤷🏻♂️
Underrated comment ❤
I think that those who have studied the brain for decades believe that there is something beyond neurons, they must be somewhat right
Fabulous interview. A brave man reporting what he sees.
I love you brother.
Some prominent theories include the Global Workspace Theory, the Integrated Information Theory, the Attention Schema Theory, and the Emotional Signal Theory. It is likely that consciousness is a complex phenomenon that cannot be explained by any single theory, and it may be the result of a combination of factors, including the brain's structure and function, our evolutionary history, and our environment. While the mystery of consciousness remains unsolved, the study of this fascinating phenomenon continues to advance, and we may one day be able to unlock the secrets of consciousness and understand its true nature.
That is an excellent summary , with which I agree. As Neil de Grasse Tyson once said; the fact that so many books have been written about consciousness shows that is fundamentally complex and we are nowhere near understanding it.
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I understand it and I'm not alone but many have trouble getting to the epiphany.
Getting there requires a rich understanding of the nature of abstraction and
of the relationship between abstraction and neural activity.
Julian Jaynes' great book,
"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind"
is extremely helpful to the seeker
(as is an introduction to neural function and
"Gödel, Escher, Bach" doesn't hurt).
I just think as humans we are too dumb to make full sense of the universe, it might be pure accidental or beyond even consciousness, something we cant understand.. Consciousness is something we know so we think of it as superior
This is such nonsense.
Just because consciousness is mysterious and quantum is mysterious that doesn't mean you can use one to explain the other
And collapsing probability waves happen only in the abstract realm.
And who would be surprised to learn that
the abstract is the only realm in which consciousness can flit about.
Stars that are much more simplier than the human brain and consciousness need the quantum mechanics quantum tunneling effect to exist and to be explained, why the brain the most complex object that we "know" in the universe (excluding the universe) can't have quantum effects?
Probably we can't explain today or never will but probably has some quantum effects in the brain, using the complexity logic
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Have you considered the possibility that the brain's approximately 90,000,000,000 neurons interconnected by their 1,720,000,000,000,000 analog multi input logic gates called synapses might alone be enough to constitute the being conscious process?
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL I Don´t think it is enough, if it was the way you say we should already have some machine that simulate consciussness, probably we never will
I don't know why (cosmic) consciousness emerged. It's like asking "why did God emerge" or "why did Self emerge". Maybe the better question to ask is what is the underlying reason for the big bang or fluctuations in the early universe, or, why is there biodiversity? Why does the sea create waves? I am Catholic so for me it's simple. It's all about love baby. It is not good for the Man to be alone (Gen 2:18). Thank you. Bless you. Grateful you are here. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. ❤
It never emerged!! It was always there..and will always be there.. In fact, there's nothing... absolutely nothing, but the Consciousness! Thus all Creation is a manifestation or interplay of this Consciousness.
Isn't consciousness what is already existing and therefore no need for 'emerging' as such ?
No
Yes
Somewhere in between
Maybe
Emergence is a non-sense word, it's Just a gap filler Word for "I don"t know how that happend".
Pretty wild to think that we will prob create fully sentient artificial intelligence before understanding our own consciousness. And it may very well be the AI we create that then explains to us what the hell is goin on between our ears.
Maybe I’m an idiot, but I don’t understand the big mystery with consciousness. Everything that has a brain is conscious to some degree, the more a brain ‘thinks’ the more conscious it is. My dog is conscious that if he does a certain thing he will get a treat in return. He can’t contemplate the Big Bang because he has no language to do so. I have learned a very complex language so I can contemplate all manner of things by having a conversation in my own head about it.
For me consciousness is just a brain thinking to greater or lesser degrees
It's not the thinking, it's the experiencing. I thought the same, consciousness is not a big deal, until I watched a lot of Closer to Truth videos over the past few years.
When talking with friends, I boil it down to this. Look at something colored red, where does that red in itself exist, where does that experience of the red color come from? It's just a certain wavelength of light, but the frequency doesn't create red itself. You, by observing red in the first person point of view and seeing the bright color, is consciousness. And there is no explanation for where that experience comes from or is created.
To use your example, a computer can learn a very complex language. But you contemplate all manner of things by having a 'conversation in your head'. You are observing a train of thought, a voice, or images. Where does the experience of sound come from? The images you can imagine? That's the consciousness part.
@@ChrisClark0you explained it so well, very nice
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If I experience the colour red, is it not just my eyes seeing the light wave and then my brain receiving the information and processing it? If I had my eyes closed I wouldn’t experience the colour red but if I open them I do.
A computer isn’t biological and isn’t a brain connected to an entire biological structure with senses so I think real consciousness in AI will be hard to achieve. It seems to me that the brain is the real mystery, even the origins of multi cellular life and consciousness comes along with it.
Again I am sorry, I know there’s something I’m missing that I’m not wrapping my head around.
@@gallinho7268you are close. How does a city’s roads influence the behavior of the city? New York is vastly different than Reno. I could argue a person is a product of their environment (roads) and a city’s roads are the product of the people. It works both ways.
You know what red is because you have wired your brain to decipher red since birth. When you experienced your first event, your brain started laying the roads. Over time, some roads were reinforced : major moral compass, beliefs, and so on. At times, some roads were rerouted and some are destroyed completely: Abandoned beliefs and forgotten memories. It’s not the individual brick pavers of small paths and neighborhood back streets, it’s the pattern of the massive highway which determine your self awareness. It’s the Shape of your brain that counts where self awareness is concerned.
Neurological pathways comprise memories as certain external stimulation is processed thru the major highways. Reinformemt - The more you experience (or visualize)a thing, the stronger the road’s foundation becomes. This is called “plasticity.” A familiar face is processed through neuro paths that were laid out by past exposures to the person from your past. The larger the path, the more the recollection.-ex. Lady Gaga triggers more memories than Billie joe Jim Bob.
I could break it all down for you, but only if you’re interested. Otherwise, I’ll just leave it here. Consciousness is easy to explain in physical terms. I have it figured out to about 99 percent. I’m looking for someone to challenge me, but so far all I get is the same dualist gibberish.
The mind is an emergent process of the physical world. Reflex, inspiration, influence, motivation, and sub conscious are all words that describe the same thing. Physicality. As such, the mind is reducible to physical properties. Self awareness (consciousness) is the sum of present experience, plus all experience since birth and the memories of those experiences.
Experience. Physical processes effect on the CNS. -red light hits specific cones in your retina. Close your eyes and try imagining red. The best you get is a memory of something red. You’re routing electrical impulse down “red street.”
Memory. Default states of neuro pathways ..the way your brain was sculpted by physicality. Your physical brain is a sculpture.
- if red is your favorite color, you must have spent a lot more time developing “red street.” Those electrical impulses which comprise red, mixed with some other memory (cross street) you made with your first love. The association/context might make your brain feel better as electrical impulses trigger endorphins. Everyone like those, because they feel good and make you happy. Red reminds you of Jessica in a hot Red bikini. Meanwhile, sage green reminds you of stale celery a bully made you eat.
Dualists argue that self awareness emerges from the brain and is a different thing than the brain. While emergence may be half true, it does not mean consciousness is separate and fundamental. Consciousness is an extension to the physical brain. It’s like music that comes from grooves of a record. The music is physical--sound wave vibrations in air. Music is reducible by removing the air, speakers, wires, magnets and cartridge, needle, grooves, and record. Remove any one, and the music’s over.
But the brain is also a transducer in that energy comes in, gets processed and converted, then sent to out in the form of physical action. Your brain mirrors the physical world. - running across a basketball court versus sauntering down a frozen driveway. OR speaking in a quiet baby nursery or shouting at a wrestling match. You actions mirror the world you experience. Even if you decided to yell in a nursery, you would have a reason. The reason could be obvious like “fire!” Or subtle like, “oh, I didn’t realize I was yelling. I had my head phones on.”
I could go on all day. I’m writing a book actually. But the bottom line is this….
All things in the universe are reducible to the quantum fields.
Like and I’ll fill you in with more details. I have many “common sense” principles I could share. I hope it helps. Thanks for reading this far!
It's just all speculation this man is arguing, there's no proof to any of this. The universe doesn't need consciousness or is designed to produce it. It just emerged, consciousness isn't fundamental
The discussion went very non specific when c became C. Still in both cases of C and c, the topic seems incomplete without exploring into how to measure conciousness.
That is where in lies the crux in my opinion. How to measure it as well as how to define it.
If we know how to measure conciousness, then speakers like mr. would stop making a very polite subject into a theosophical tangle.
There are some easy ways to acertain conciousness, and those methods are still short of claiming absolute to the point of of truth.
Change of composition/state of a biological or non biological object (system) based on an external (system) stimulation.
If the object of study changes as a way to react then it is concious. From particle to living,this way everything is concious.
What creates conciousness?
Ans: Information. By information I mean upto the fact that information can process that it is just an information!
Any single data is concious.
How?
Ans: It carries the potential of creating additional realities (based on additional information/data or if iota then remaining inert with the information.
What creates information?
Ans: it is simply created. The quantum science of creating something from nothing has a certain mathematics even if it probabilistic mathematics only. and the ability to process it is conciousness.
Thats why phased mathematics is needed by universe to make things look concious. In other words only mathematics can give meaning to repeatition of information, making it more real and anything real stimulates consciousness. Mathematics has close link to conciousness.
So basically anything created in the universe is concious (because everything is created in the same way based on a broad set of mathematical rules.) Mathematics is so hard core that it alone can explain creation (the science of creating something out of nothing and vice versa)
This is the simplistic method to answer conciousness in my opinion.
Excellent discussion. Would love to see CTT conversations with Federico Faggin and Edward Frenkel.
If you spiritualists and woo woo slingers think you have it all figured out- why do you need to co-opt science? Could it be that you desperately need to borrow some validity and credibility from something that's not pure nonsense and arbitrary assertion?
Thank you, you are absolutely right in my humble opinion. The paradigm shift you mention will force us to give up our unconscious obsession with 1st person perspective (egoic mind) or the local aspect of our consciousness, how ever you want to call it and embrace the non-local aspect of consciousness, that which we all share. Both Penrose and Goswami show in their own ways that the brain is able to function both locally (in space-time) and non-locally (outside of space-time, or instantly). The task at hand for humanity is that we have to get over ourselves (the importance of our instantiated minds) and start to "think bigger". I'm certain that nature has a built-in safety switch of some sort. If a species cannot make that evolutionary step of overcoming the erroneous identification with the local aspect of their mind, they will self destruct. Let's hope we get 100 monkeys together to turn the ship around. Fingers crosssed.
how exactly do you think consciousnes can function outside of spacetime?
If I knew, I wouldn't be sitting here, watching videos... If "spacetime is just a headset" (donald hoffman) and consciousness is a fundamental quality of the universe (bernardo kastrup) and if we de-couple consciousness from our fixed concept of it always having to be paired with an entity and/or agent, then why couldn't it?
@@autisticalchemist explain it to me in your own way, I want your opinion.
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Wrong postulate!
Consciousness didn’t emerge. Consciousness was the source.
Excellent! Glad to hear of open-minded researchers like Bernard Carr! Ancient India’s Samkhya viewpoint is that Consciousness with a big “C” and Ether with a big “E” are the fundamental structure of the Cosmos whether in ‘disturbance’-mode or in ‘quiescence-mode'. A Time/Space in the Universe when/where Purusha-Prakriti are absent is inconceivable. As inconceivable as emergence of the 12 fundamental numbers. Neither Consciousness nor Ether emerge. We in our complexity emerge into and out of them, not the other way around. The great mystery is the ‘something third’ -hence Sam.khya-the force in-between Siva & Shakti.
From the Preface of my book, I quote -"we live using feeble light reflected in the moon of our thinking mind, oblivious to the sun’s radiance reflected in our heart-mind. The light of the thinking mind is but the reflection of a reflection in a corridor of mirrors.”
No 1 will read such long chatgpty answer
Well, I read it, cocoarecords notwithstanding. I am old school and do not believe everything can be grasped in 280 characters. If it could be it would have been. Moving on: This is as close to the concept I have come to believe as anything I have found in the historical record. I have come to believe, based on research and anecdotal evidence, that which we call self is an isolated portion of a universal environment of consciousness. I believe one function of the brain is to communicate with that conscious environment within the limits of that isolation. I have come to define consciousness as awareness of space time demonstrated by deliberate arbitrary action based on that awareness. That is why the mouse tries to eat the cheese, rather than try to eat the trap itself, but some mice do indeed chew on your socks, if they can get into the dresser. Lowly as they seem, mice too are conscious entities taking deliberate arbitrary action. That is among the things I have seen in the corridor of mirrors.
@@johnswoodgadgets9819 "That is why the mouse tries to eat the cheese, rather than try to eat the trap itself, but some mice do indeed chew on your socks, if they can get into the dresser." - Ross Perot, 1992
@@brucesmith1544 Hehe!
Please listen to this man again. He isn't "open minded" at all, simply filling in blanks he doesn't understand and sounding very close to mythological religious ideology.
Has the abyss stared back yet?
It gave animals an advantage. There is nothing magical about it, no matter how much you wish otherwise. It’s not complicated at all.
Noob
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 “it’s not complicated at all”… Where’s your Nobel prize for solving the hard problem MJ1? I love seeing comments from absolute fools like you. What is the advantage of having qualia? Why does a reaction to stimuli require awareness? You’re basically acting like someone pre-theory of gravity saying that things fall down and there’s nothing magical about it, things just fall down because they do… Great explanation!!! Turns out there was a lot more to it, was it magic? You could portray it as that though, the force of some magical unheard of power and the force of gravity, what is the difference? Lmao not complicated at all, good one.
explain how it gave animals an advantage?
So the human brain is not complicated?
Dunning Kruger effect delux.
A lot of empty argument with zero actual evidence.
He claims there is evidence in physics that indicates consciousness is fundamental. And then proceeds to give some of the weakest most unconvincing evidence ever. He says, clearly consciousness emerged with biology, but… But what? He should have said, but I want there to be more so let me twist logic and science into a reason for there being more. Unconvincing.
*"He claims there is evidence in physics that indicates consciousness is fundamental. And then proceeds to give some of the weakest most unconvincing evidence ever."*
... True, wave-function collapse due to observation isn't conclusive evidence of consciousness being fundamental, but let's be fair. It's not like he extrapolated an infinite network of infinitely existing universes from which every possible scenario is met with every possible outcome all from the inability to properly predict a particle's position, ya know?
Are you a publishing company for real? @@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC
Check out Donald Hoffman
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLCright!? 🤣 they think his reasoning is faulty but they don’t even question the many worlds interpretation for a second, arguably the most insane hypothesis ever conceived of… for which we still have zero evidence and is in principle unfalsifiable 🤣😂😂 it’s absurd
When I see what the human species is doing with it, I ask why did it bother.
Excellent video. There is an ancient Hindu text that has a specific verses dedicated to remove confusion about the word "consciousness" as it it used an a wide variety of ways. Here is a translation from the original Sanskrit.
"Not internal consciousness, not external consciousness, not in between consciousness (i.e. the state between waking and dream), not a cloud of consciousness (i.e. thoughts, ideas, etc.), not consciousness (i.e. knowledge of everything simultaneously), nor unconsciousness, beyond perception, beyond transaction, beyond grasp (formless), beyond designation, beyond thinking (i.e. beyond objectification), beyond description, the one whose essence is proof of a single Self (Atma/Consciousness), the cessation of the world (of the cycles of birth and death), tranquil, auspicious, non-dual, is considered the Fourth. That (is) the Self (i.e. Atma/Consciousness). That (Self, Atma/Consciousness) is to be known." Mandukya Upanishad, Verse 7
I'm sad to say I was only terribly confused by that passage 😕
Yes... Ekam Sat.
@@stringX90 The point is Consciousness isn't what you think it is. It is what you are. It is not an object. It is the very nature of you, the subject.
@@picksalot1 Thanks, yes, that I understand 😄✌️
@@stringX90 Glad that helped. These old verses are all meant to explained so they can be understood correctly. 😉
..it didn't. Consciousness has always been...
Nonsense....
Consciousness is not a property of physics. It's a property of animal life.
and possibly plant and fungus, or ...everything
Consciousness results from electro-chemical synaptic excitations that utilize visual and aural memory. It's as though a loop tape is playing and that tape is constantly updating, both with our actual "real time" audio-visual experience, and the plethora of memories that are fed in and out of the consciousness loop. It is astounding how many snippets of memory can come and go as we experience consciousness. I put "real time" in quotes, because even that is necessarily a read of memory. There is no actual "current time" because each 1/infinity moment slips instantly into the past, and that immediate past appears to us as current.
Consciousness provides creatures a vital set of inputs necessary for survival. The level of complexity of consciousness is relative to a creature's brain mass to body ratio. The human brain weighs about 3 pounds, and a very small amount of that mass processes consciousness.
An ant's brain, proportional to her weight, is about 7 times the size of the human brain. A young ant learns at an astounding rate by tagging along with an older ant. An ant doesn't bother with spending 1/4 to 1/3 of her life being "educated" because she learns the essentials of life within a few minutes and then she devotes her life to the well-being of the colony. Her exponential rate of learning is accomplished by way of her proportionally enormous brain size. And her level of consciousness provides her with internal affirmation regarding the importance of her contribution. Her work is her play, and she sees her fellow worker/players enjoying the highly cooperative fulfillment to the well-being of the colony.
Your first paragraph is exactly correct, and reflects the idea of consciousness as "multiple drafts" of a story that keeps changing slightly, and briefly examined before continuous subsequent drafts.
On the ant example I would suggest what is missing is the component of an examination of a perspective on the ant's own activities. I might guess second level happens with larger and more complex brains only.
The Universe is not a random coincedence. The Universe has a story which is unfolding as time passes. Its a long story. Existence was the first episode. Life was second. And consciousness like the one we humans possess now is the next chapter unfolding itself. May be Robotics and AI will help us explore the next chapter to expand our limits.
The 'Story' of the Universe is the Higher Consciousness itself. It 'Knows' what its doing. Its following a plan. Just like a seed has all the information about how it will turn into a plant, and eventually a gigantic fruit bearing tree. The same way the Universe already had all the ingredients that were needed for this story to unfold. It cant just go back and say ohh I need one new element to make certain progress happen. It cant. It was all predecided, pre written.
But are there any possiblities for miracles? Ofcourse :)
Can the things go wrong? Ofcourse :)
I mean even a plant has the risk of drying out, or getting cut or may be develop imperfections due to lack of nutrition. Or it can get the best resources out there and grow up to be the best version of itself. Thats just Fate. Backed by Faith :)
Who wrote this story?
I am quite sure there is a super human like God who wrote this story. But then ofcourse 'someone' created God and they were less human and more nature. And 'something' created those someone and so on. It all came from Nothing. We just have to accept that.
I believe the biggest miracle is Existence itself. There could have been just nothing. Emptiness. Nonexistence.
But there is Existence! Miraculously evolving into something so complex, unique, beautiful as well as scary at the same time.
I am Awe struck. Thats Awe-some at times, Awe-ful at others. These are two sides of the same coin. We have to appreciate and accept both of them.
I just wish science zooms out and develops the ability to look at the big picture. It carries the same ego that religion once carried. Greed for for fame, recongition, superiority, power. Those are just addictions. Happens automatically over a period of time. We need to shake it off. That voice inside us knows whats right. We need courage and strength to listen to it again and change our ways. Doesnt happen overnight though.
I do wish Science finds the simplest explainations of our existence at the highest level.. which cant be proved in labs ofcourse.. just common sense and observation are enough. And then use those understandings to fill in the gaps backed by faith and sense of service towards humanity.
Thats when answers come.
Thats when they always come.
Very interesting and profound.
Is the ant more conscious than human.?? By virtue of its proportionately larger brain.
@@kunalnichani1 Interesting idea. I have to read it again and again because language is a poor tool to express truth. I have to be honest without imposing my prejudices before attempting to look into your ideas.
@@Ofinfinitejest Your opinion regarding the Ant example added a different and interesting perspective.
Consciousness did not "emerge". It's pre-existing and eternal.
Any proof to support that statement other then a silly 2000 year old book?
*_“… Everyone who is seriously engaged in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.”_* Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955), founder of modern physics (Theory of Relativity inter alia) and 1921 Nobel prize winner
Last years nobel prize in physics proved einstein determinism was always dumbass.. it proved "spooky action at a distance" is a thingamabob,
You only think you're a 'real boy' because your mom told you so.
You ASS/U/ME youre' real
The Universe is not a random coincedence. The Universe has a story which is unfolding as time passes. Its a long story. Existence was the first episode. Life was second. And consciousness like the one we humans possess now is the next chapter unfolding itself. May be Robotics and AI will help us explore the next chapter to expand our limits.
The 'Story' of the Universe is the Higher Consciousness itself. It 'Knows' what its doing. Its following a plan. Just like a seed has all the information about how it will turn into a plant, and eventually a gigantic fruit bearing tree. The same way the Universe already had all the ingredients that were needed for this story to unfold. It cant just go back and say ohh I need one new element to make certain progress happen. It cant. It was all predecided, pre written.
But are there any possiblities for miracles? Ofcourse :)
Can the things go wrong? Ofcourse :)
I mean even a plant has the risk of drying out, or getting cut or may be develop imperfections due to lack of nutrition. Or it can get the best resources out there and grow up to be the best version of itself. Thats just Fate. Backed by Faith :)
Who wrote this story?
I am quite sure there is a super human like God who wrote this story. But then ofcourse 'someone' created God and they were less human and more nature. And 'something' created those someone and so on. It all came from Nothing. We just have to accept that.
I believe the biggest miracle is Existence itself. There could have been just nothing. Emptiness. Nonexistence.
But there is Existence! Miraculously evolving into something so complex, unique, beautiful as well as scary at the same time.
I am Awe struck. Thats Awe-some at times, Awe-ful at others. These are two sides of the same coin. We have to appreciate and accept both of them.
I just wish science zooms out and develops the ability to look at the big picture. It carries the same ego that religion once carried. Greed for fame, recongition, superiority, power. Those are just addictions. Happens automatically over a period of time. We need to shake it off. That voice inside us knows whats right. We need courage and strength to listen to it again and change our ways. Doesnt happen overnight though.
I do wish Science finds the simplest explainations of our existence at the highest level, which cant be proved in labs ofcourse, just common sense and observation are enough. And then use those understandings to fill in the gaps backed by faith and sense of service towards humanity. Thats when answers come. Thats when they always come.
Science is getting overwhelmed by logic and qualifications. Answers dont neccessarily come to the most hardworking, or the most qualified. Each generation doesnt have to prove its superior to the previous one. It doesnt have to be perfect or an expert at everything. The world has to relax the criterias a bit. Believe in fate, coincedence, luck, oneness, and randomness. Thats when magic will happen. Thats when it will stop getting curled up in random strings :)
Consciousness that humans posses now is evolving into Super Consciousness. It's not just about observation. It's about understanding as well. Knowledge of right and wrong. Followed by conscious actions having more degree of choice than the less conscious forms of nature. We are getting more control over the story being written. The story is trying to write itself using us as the medium. That's consciousness.
Consciousness evolved as a mechanism to enable life forms to have ideas. An organism that can have ideas contributed greatly to the survival the various species. Consciousness is therefore a conduit for ideas in the first instance. Consciousness is not necessary for us to breathe or the heart to beat, it is an attribute for survival. Why is that so hard to see?
What attribute? Ideas are arbitrary, untried in the 'idea state', and arguably are more of a detriment to survival than they are an attribute. What exactly is the evolutionary advantage in having ideas? The most successful organisms have no ideas at all.
Nonsense. The epiphenomenon of consciousness could not exist at all and we could have still evolved with all the complex brain processing we have now to lead to complex behaviour that could allow our genomes to thrive and reproduce.
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He sounds like he believes in "Mother Nature." I think maybe, more realistically, he may be referring to a 'Consciousness Field'; from which a 'Consciousness Particle' can experience acceleration, develop mass & can emerge from or disappear back, into...
Consciousness evolved as a predictive mechanism, an extension of cognition and memory that enables populations to anticipate future events according to what has happened in the past, thus promoting survival and reproductive success. We humans have developed such complex consciousness that we sometimes become entangled in our own fantasies.
I think I agree with you but not sure. Dennett would agree also. it aligns with my own (throat clear) simple theory - consciousness is "story"
That doesn’t answer the question.
Did consciousness evolve out of matter or matter evolved to certain state where it could channel consciousness that is always there.
If only it were that simple !
@@adisvara2900Is there a consciousness particle? Consciousness feels like the playful child peeking behind the curtain, amazed with what it sees.
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Consciousness is assigned a mystical quality which it actually lacks. It occurs in living creatures because it is essential for any living creature to survive. Memory is essential to consciousness. We remember experience through our internal and external sensory perceptions, all of which are electro-chemical processes of the brain.
As we navigate through a real-time experience, we use memory of similar perceptions to process our way through that navigation. Memory is stored according to the intensity of sensory perception, and we reinforce those memories which intensifies them even more.
Maybe im missing part of your point but it seems like you maybe wanna suggest or make an argument that the brain is needed for consciousness or that consciousness is only in the brain. But it kind of seems like youre really only arguing for memory and organism consciousness needing brains or only being in brains. But that doesnt mean or logically imply that brains are needed for consciousness or that consciousness is only in the brain.
@@highvalence7649 it sounds like he’s saying consciousness is an illusion caused by our memory of things. I would disagree though because you’d still have the capacity to think.
@@highvalence7649 I think we need a definition of consciousness in order to discuss its implications. I think present time is not real in that it is 1 over infinity. Every moment immediately becomes the past. So we use memory to navigate what feels like the present, and for me, that extremely recent memory is the core of our consciousness. I see it as residing exclusively in the brain, mostly as that immediate memory, but with access to past memories as well.
If people want to see consciousness as outside the brain, I would just like to know how they define it. If the galaxy or universe has a consciousness, that would be something that merits more than the capital "C" referenced in the video. I think it needs its own word and definition apart from individual animal consciousness.
@@stellarwind1946 Our ability to think requires the processing of memory, including synthesis. Creating new ideas through thought requires imagining, which is dependent on memory of sensory input. A musician plays note combinations on an instrument and uses memory of those progressions to arrange them into something new. That ability depends on the storage of memory snippets in the brain.
My computer has memory, why would it require qualia? Why does any mental process require qualia? All I hear you saying is “it just does”. Why can’t people be philosophical zombies, a human reacts from its environment, what about a reaction requires consciousness? When AI mimics humans as to being indistinguishable would you say they are conscious or not? If yes, why? When did it happen? And if no then why does a human need to be conscious?
Mysticism begins where science ends. But a lot of modern science would have sounded mystical to earlier scientists. The point is, if you want to expand the scope of the subject matter of science, you don’t do it by using words - use experimentation and maths. Science does not deal in some mystical ‘pure’ truth (such a view of truth breaks down necessarily into incoherence or tautology) - it progresses according to a coherence theory of truth: the more that new ideas can be convincingly connected to existing, established, demonstrable patterns of interconnection, the more credible they are considered to be.
It isn’t difficult to step outside of scientific perspectives, look towards the edges of current scientifically demonstrable knowledge, and then posit, using the imprecise medium of words, some other version of ‘real reality’. But if you have some kind of intuition like that, don’t waste your time discussing it, instead look for ways of gathering testable evidence of types of phenomena that point in the direction of your hypothesis. Paradigm shifts don’t occur via conversations - Einstein demonstrated his ideas in scientific papers. Don’t talk, get to work.
It is fascinating to hear physicists explaining the work of God.
...and dismissing it flippantly as delusion
What if I say the work of Karma? then 'Darmic vs Abrahamic' debate would possibly start.
fundamental Consciousness in quantum (something to do with time?); human consciousness in classical (experience time?)?
Exploring the Nature of Consciousness and Medical Anesthesia
I've been pondering the concept of consciousness lately, especially in the context of medical procedures where doctors use medications to induce partial or complete unconsciousness. It makes me wonder - did we create medications that truly affect consciousness, or are we more accurately dulling the senses while incorrectly using the term "consciousness"?
Consider this analogy with the small sea of consciousness during medical operations. It raises questions about how we understand and manipulate consciousness. But then, how about the vast sea of consciousness in the Earth, universe, quantum world, etc.? Do we have any "methods" or "medications" to dull or alter the consciousness of nature on a grand scale? It's intriguing to think about.
What are your thoughts on this? Can the consciousness of nature be influenced or altered, or is it beyond our grasp? Looking forward to hearing your perspectives!
My perspective -
Obviously if conciousness is fundamental in nature then it cannot be influenced or altered, if it has originated at a later point of time then maybe it can be altered, because what gets created can be destroyed as well.
Cheers!
Ponder long and hard the fact that
sometimes you are conscious and sometimes you are not.
Have you noticed that your self ceases to exist when you are not conscious?
Should you one day fall into a permanent deep and dreamless slumber,
how would you be able to recognize the onset of your death?
Does knowing that you are sometimes not conscious
shade your estimation that being conscious might be 'fundamental'?
Once again, being-conscious is not equated with having Consciousness. The anesthesia induced unconscious state does not wipe out self-consciousness.
@@avi2125
I AM Conscious.
Consciousness is not a 'something' that I have.
You ARE Conscious.
Consciousness is not a 'something' that you have.
We ARE Conscious.
Consciousness is not a 'something' that we have.
There is no such 'thing' as 'consciousness'.
Being conscious is a process of the body so that
when the body ceases to run the process, being conscious ceases.
If an anesthetic interferes with the process sufficiently then one will not be conscious.
If LSD interferes with the process then experience is altered.
Hey @@REDPUMPERNICKEL
Thank you for sharing your opinion.
But still deep in thought about consciousness, when we're under anesthesia - not consciously aware, yet our subconscious memory and the fundamental functions keeps going like breathing, heart pumping blood, etc. It's like being in a state of induced sub-consciousness.
Drawing a parallel with fundamentals: water flows due to gravity, but remove gravity, and water molecules/particles form a sphere.
The concept of consciousness in itself can have different understanding from different perspectives, shaped by diverse experiences.
My perspective:
Consciousness seems like an "experience" difficult to be expressed in words, involving intricate processes like perception (input-output or action-reaction). Just as water molecules/particles respond to gravity, our organs which are collections of different conscious molecules/particles, form a conscious body with a brain, these bodies are collectively part of a conscious group of people, which are part of the conscious beings, and conscious surrounding/nature/universe - acting harmoniously.
Self-consciousness, the "Me," arises-an experience exploring the fundamentals but bound by nature's rules.
It seems like pixels on a TV creating a moving picture-an illusion mimicking reality. Similarly, the "Me" is an intangible concept, linked to neurons and reactions governed by fundamental rules. Love, emotions, understanding of consciousness, all tied to that intangible "Me."
Would love to hear your thoughts on this analogy and your perceptions of the interplay between consciousness, "Me" and the fundamental aspects of existence.
Cheers.
Hello @@MrSudesh1992
I'll write my corresponding understandings under quotes of what you wrote...
"when we're under anesthesia - not consciously aware, yet our subconscious memory and the fundamental functions keeps going like breathing, heart pumping blood, etc. It's like being in a state of induced sub-consciousness"
Even while an anesthetic prevents one's self-being-conscious-process from running or
while the process is naturally halted as in a deep and dreamless slumber,
the trillions of other bodily process instances persist,
including the neural processes responsible for maintaining one's memories.
"Consciousness seems like an "experience" difficult to be expressed in words, involving intricate processes like perception (input-output or action-reaction). Just as water molecules/particles respond to gravity, our organs which are collections of different conscious molecules/particles, form a conscious body with a brain, these bodies are collectively part of a conscious group of people, which are part of the conscious beings, and conscious surrounding/nature/universe - acting harmoniously".
Molecules and atoms are mechanically and chemically reactive and their interactions are understood and described quite well by physicists, chemists, biologists, etc.
Molecules and atoms exist and react but 'reactivity' is *not* what we mean by 'conscious'.
Billiard balls react to impacts but who would insist they are conscious of such events?
Only those who cannot distinguish between reactivity and conscious.
Nevertheless, molecules and atoms, although individually not conscious,
do constitute a level in the hierarchy of necessary substrates which
underlie the self-being-conscious-process (in a way perfectly analogous to the way
matter must exist if there is to be movement).
The thoughts impressed on human apes by their co-evolved cultures
are ultimately responsible for making humans conscious in the unique way that we are.
"Self-consciousness, the "Me," arises-an experience exploring the fundamentals but bound by nature's rules.
It seems like pixels on a TV creating a moving picture-an illusion mimicking reality. Similarly, the "Me" is an intangible concept, linked to neurons and reactions governed by fundamental rules. Love, emotions, understanding of consciousness, all tied to that intangible "Me.""
A self is conscious of thoughts only.
These thoughts represent things like trees and peaches.
A pain represents something wrong with the system.
A pleasure represents something that induces repetition.
The self is a complex thought or more accurately, a thought complex.
The self thought is unique in that it represents its self,
all other thoughts representing something that is not the self.
The self thought is the central feature of the self-being-conscious-process.
Other thoughts modulating the self thought is to what the word conscious is referring.
Of course what's going on is extremely complex and indeed,
words struggle to do the process justice.
Why not simply argue that consciousness arises IN ORDER TO SURVIVE against predators?
Because in order for a being to fight for its survival, it must already be conscious in advance. No consciousness, no will to survive.
Very not true. Our level of consciousness does not exist in the animal world, much less in the single cell level. All those creatures have a strong will to survive; like viruses.@@kitstamat9356
Consciousness is only perplexing or "hard to understand" if you refuse to believe in God. Created is a better word for it than emerge. Once a person matures beyond these silly beliefs, and gives up the show of "not believing in God", the so called elusive explanation of consciousness becomes crystal clear. Consciousness is proof of God.
When parents do not know or do not want to explain things to kids, they tell about Santa or God or Fairies. Some people never grow up.
another fool that think the irrational: God
Sorted
Urh. It's like watching a Monty Python skit where these grown adults make elaborate arguments to avoid simply saying that they don't know.
People have been projecting consciousness onto the universe since there have been conscious people and while we have countless examples of the misattribution of consciousness, so far no one has been able to demonstrate that this is the case.
Ironically, that projection is an indicator of the small"c".
Would that science will someday get to a way to experiment. Won't happen for a long time imho, so for now it's relegated to an interesting topic of discussion.
What do yo mean "no one has been able to demonstrate"? you simply overlook Buddhism, Zen, and all mystics who suggest YOU take up the appropriate PRACTICES or tools of investigation to have these "ideas" Bernard Carr is talking about be clearly demonstrated. You have provided a pure materialistic conception that you project onto our reality -- I'm not buying it at all for you leave out too much counter-evidence.
Consider the possibility that all the 17 particle types of The Standard model (hence, also all the 118 Elements of the Periodic Table) are trillions of times larger than the particles inside the core of the earth that THE PLANTS access through their roots and grow as leaves flowers and fruits after incorperating them into the particles we measure as those of Stanndard Model (hence, also of The Periodic Table).
Then, obviously, what we measure as Oxygen, Carbon, Hydrogen,..., Proteins, CO2, etc. ~ are all, in fact, compounds that already contain trillions of those particles (let's call them Sensons, and trillions of times still larger Feelons, which are themselves trillions of times tinier than even a photon) so tiny that the motions we measure as the 4 forces are totally INSENSITIVE to changes in them.
Then neither mechanical, chemical, electromagnetic nor nuclear changes would have any influence on the content of these Sensons or even the much larger Feelons. If the combination of unique number of these Senson particles at unique positions of Feelons, which only interactions among plants may induce, cause what we call QUALIA or CONSCIOUSNESS, then we'd require a completely different system of particles, THE DIGITS, that enable us to count in our minds (NOT the electrons in the BITs of the chips we manufacture ourselves), the interactions among which follow the natural LAWS OF MOTION that we call the 4 basic rules of arithmetic operations (+ - × ÷), for deriving the mathematical model of the mechanism how particle interactions inside the earth enable development of, and growth on, PLANTS and subsequently also for deriving the meanings of QUALIA, CONSCIOUSNESS and LIFE as interactions among these SENSONS and FEELONS.
Thereby also specifying the difference between PLANTS and BEINGS (ANIMALS and HUMANS) as corresponding to possession in any entity (that we call body of a being) of threshold numbers of FEELONS as characterizing constituents of that entity.
So, attempting to measure the particles that cause Qualia, Consciouness or Life using the instruments with which the particles of The Standard Model are measured, would be the same as attempting to measure atomic weights on commercial weighing machines in Kgs and Tons.
The measurements of SENSONS and FEELONS demand a completely different theoretical model linking particle interactions inside the core of the earth to development of, and growth on, PLANTS, totally unrelated to the NONLIVING instruments used in TEOS (The Experimental and Observational Science).
All measurements MUST be sense and need perceptions of beings associable with development of, and growth on, PLANTS.
What he's saying, consciousness with a big C, underlies the Universe. This is Eastern thought a la Alan Watts, and I think he's really hit the key to the Universe.☯ Put simply without consciouness the Universe wouldn't actually exist; the essence of the concept of a tree falling in a forest and no one hears it.🕉
Consciousness didn't "emerge", it was always there...everywhere
Prove it.
Even before life emerged?
These people won’t let go of their dream to be above the physical. @@davidbrisbane7206
Neurosience doesnt know How figure out consciousness so far. Guys shows consciousness though emocional and rambling gibberich than neurosience figure It out proceendings. Dure he doesnt knows How show up conscieusness honestly.
what's the forecast for today's engagement from 1 to 10, Max (1 being less than 50 comments in the next 5 hours and 10 more than 200) maybe 9.5 :)
Even in within a classical interpretation of the Universe, consciousness is inevitable due to the vastness of the forum.
Comment improved imho by adding
'and that the natures of its constituent particles enable them to dance together as they do'.
(Size alone being only distantly relevant to the manifestation of the conscious).
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL - Certainly an improvent, in a very valid sense. I do however, attribute importance to the vastness (a redundant term for an infinitely large [in my estimation] stage) of the Tapestry, because its ‘boundlessness’ enables, nay, FORCES, everything, E V E R Y T H I N G, to occur, an infinite number of times.
@@yessroman
There are some thoughts I cannot think to my satisfaction.
Infinite is one and absolute nothing is another.
I suspect this is because evolution made representation the fundamental nature of all thoughts so that the unrepresentable become unthinkable except at arms length via labels.
Cosmic Intelligence
always present
we are far too arrogant to deny it
What exactly is Cosmic Intelligence? I kept your capitalization as I guess it must be important.
😂
@@markb3786 *"What exactly is Cosmic Intelligence? I kept your capitalization as I guess it must be important."*
... I would say that raginald7mars408 is suggesting that cosmic intelligence (small 'c' and 'i') has always been present since the beginning, ... to which I would agree! However, only the bare minimum amount of intelligence is made present to facilitate whatever level of evolution happens next (nothing more - nothing less).
To say this isn't so requires an explanation for how intelligence can emerge from a 93-billion-light-years-wide arena that's void of any intelligence whatsoever. ... That's the same logical debacle you would face as trying to get _"something from nothing."_
If you can accept that "intelligence" has always been present but at levels we cannot detect or discern based on our extreme level of intelligence, then where intelligence came from is no longer a mystery. ... It's just been here all along and "evolved" into greater complexity over time.
@@markb3786 easy to ridicule
@@raginald7mars408 would you mind answering the question?
Key words, "I want". I don't care what he or Robert want. You have the burden to PROVE that consciousness, big C or little c, is somehow fundamental to the Universe. Let us know when you have data which does that. Until then I will continue to believe that consciousness is only the little c and emerges from brains.
with that attitude we will still be in caves. That would be the death of science and personal growth...
What if it is fundamental?
"The "ALL",,, is "MIND".
The "UNIVERSE",,, is "MENTAL"...
"As "ABOVE",,, So, is "BELOW".
"As "BELOW",,, So, is "ABOVE"...
If you start with the premise that the essence of life (the basis of mind and consciousness) is already present within the fabric of matter itself, then it is simply a tiny little step in imagining how inanimate (yet living) matter could become animate matter (micro-organisms) that can then evolve into higher forms of being that are then able to acquire consciousness.
*"f you start with the premise that the essence of life (the basis of mind and consciousness) is already present within the fabric of matter itself, then it is simply a tiny little step in imagining how inanimate (yet living) matter could become animate matter (micro-organisms) that can then evolve into higher forms of being that are then able to acquire consciousness."*
... You and I aren't far off on our overall concepts. I think our most substantive differences surround how consciousness has evolved over time. I DO agree that consciousness has been _"present within the fabric of matter itself"_ since the beginning, but I have its presence as being relative to the complexity level of the inanimate matter that wields it.
*Example:* Two atoms exchange an electron only involves a miniscule level of consciousness (just enough to facilitate the exchange) whereas two self-aware humans exchanging ideas in a YT comment thread requires the most extreme levels of consciousness.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC *"...You and I aren't far off on our overall concepts...."*
Well, at the risk of being accused of leaning too far into the mystical realms, like Bishop Berkeley, I believe that the universe is the *mind* of a higher consciousness. And as such, I believe that *in the same way* that that apple you may have munched on in a dream you may have had last night is completely saturated with your own life essence, likewise, so is a so-called "real" apple saturated with the life essence of a higher consciousness.
In other words, the phenomenal features of the universe are created from an extremely advanced and highly ordered version of the same fundamental substance from which your own thoughts and dreams are created.
*"...I DO agree that consciousness has been "present within the fabric of matter itself" since the beginning..."*
No, not "consciousness" (which implies awareness), just the essence of life.
What I described was simply an attempt to shed light on the mystery of *"abiogenesis."*
For like I said, if the essence of life is already present within the fabric of matter, then it is just a tiny step to imagine how that life can emerge in the form of microorganisms which then can evolve into higher forms that become capable of acquiring consciousness (i.e., capable of waking up, with some acquiring self-awareness).
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@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLCDude +1, agreed. So does this make us subscribe to panpsychism then? (I'm trying to figure out how to identify my line of reasoning 😅)
@@stringX90 *"Dude +1, agreed. So does this make us subscribe to panpsychism then?"*
... I don't believe so. I think panpsychism posits that the level of consciousness we wield today has always existed, and all of the "stuff" happening in the universe since the beginning is this "universal consciousness" at play.
I can't accept a universal consciousness that is axiomatically self-aware, fully intelligent, and knows things in advance (like when it's appropriate to facilitate the emergence of humans). ... It's too much like a watered-down version of God.
I believe that *consciousness* and *information* are synonymous. What we label today as "Consciousness" was just rudimentary data during the earliest stages of the universe that's been evolving over time to the point that it now appears so dramatically profound and unique.
It's like a stick figure drawing in comparison to Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel
On a good note, we're positioned at the very top of the intellectual food chain in regard to intelligence and consciousness!
@@stringX90ah yep. Rocks are aware, apparently. Panpaychism is like Buddhism without the hassle of meditation. 😅
Why mystify?
Consciousness = Awareness.
It evolved initially from necessary awareness of threats to survival.
Consciousness with a small c plus time became Consciousness with a large C.
Bill Hicks is the first person I’ve ever heard speaking about we are the universe experiencing itself. He said this during on of his comedy bits back in the early 1990’s. I’ve thought a lot about this over the decades since I heard that and it brings me a peace of sorts knowing that maybe I will transcend this mortal shell and live on. If nothing else I return to the void from which I came.
We all return to the void, become part of the whole but without consciousness, like a nail cutting or removed body part.
That’s a 3000 year old religious idea
Exactly🔥🔥🔥
This is my entertainment!🤣😂
I laughed my head off at this guy, Bernard Carr, comment about consciousness.🤣😂
This kind of comedy makes my day!😂🤣😂
To all questions, what, how and why re consciousness we have no answers. With the question “where” we know from experiences, that the brain with the right side
Is activated. The so called “ soul-side”. But we don’t know whether it is an inner process or an outer activity. Intuition and Inspiration could come from a superconsciousness, hyper, ultra inspiration. Electro-magnetic-field, Quanten -field or a morph-genetic-field ,
as Rupert Sheldrake suggests is a possible solution.
Great interview for those of us that believe the conscious experience cannot be fully explained by math.
Consciousness is simply memories.. and memories are simply simultaneous actual first kisses occurring now and also simultaneous to tomorrow morning.. and a billion and one mornings from now.
Your brain is not important to consciousness... you are immortal and grow your memories from lifetime to lifetime.
Manifest enough to learn time is not linear.. or your manifesting cannot make sense as linear.
Then you will understand your non muggle nature
@@waynehilbornTSSwhere’s your Nobel prize for figuring out the greatest mystery of the universe? You really think you’ve solved the hard problem don’t you. Sorry bro, but you haven’t, that’s just a thought that you’re egotistically sticking to because you like it.
@@ProjectMoffalthough I don’t agree with his posts, that whole “where’s you Nobel prize “ comment is dumb. There are thousands, if not millions, who have it figured out but will never be heard. Especially by the “corrupt” gate keepers of that prize. If you require that sort of pedigree to be convinced, I’m surprised you can even make it out the door to your car.
Just because YOU haven’t figured it out, doesn’t mean others haven’t.
@@ProjectMoff- Consciousness is simultaneous actual events "unsmarts" deem memory.
There is no hard problem... only if you're a materialist.. The universe is easily understood.. from this very answer alone.. without any books ..
You will learn dying is safe after you are dead and every memory that makes you... you... is preserved as simultaneous actual events.. for eternity (bloody long time).
I EASILY grasp time is not linear because those who manifest can see linear time doesn't often make linear time sense..
The past changes..
and NEWS FLASH.. I have it fully figured out... even if muggles deem themselves actual based on the say-so of their mommies and self pinching.
How every religion/miracle works.... (not a debate at all)
Imagine a skeptic was drowning in the ocean.. he will die.
Now... Imagine the drowning person is a devout TOOTHFARIAN. This man attends Tooth Fairy Churches, donates to Tooth Fairy charities... and has always been a devout Tooth Farian. He even brushes his teeth 4 times per day.
Now imagine the TOOTHFARIAN is drowning .. and he cries... "Please save me lord Tooth Fairy"
This "Positive Outlook" seeds history.
SUDDENLY! Three days ago (in the past), three days ago (in the past)
(Did I mention this next part occurs in the past)
Suddenly - three days ago. IN THE PAST, a cruise ship and 3000 passengers get a slightly different weather report AND/OR alter course an extra 2 degrees so they are now on course to rescue the TOOTHFARIAN 5 minutes after he starts praying.
The TOOTHFARIAN was at home packing for his sailing adventure the following day and yet a cruise ship and 3000 passengers have already altered their superposition (They are Schrodinger cat in box) to match the expectation of the TOOTHFARIAN (supervising scientist).
The error of Quantum Mechanics is simply that they use "Probabilities" to affect changes instead of "EXPECTATION".. a more accurate portrayal of what occurs.
John Archibald Wheeler and EinsteIn preceded me in teaching TIME IS NOT A THINGAMABOB.. EVEN IF BIOLOGISTS AND PHILOSOPHERS fail TO READ AN ACTUAL NEWSPAPER.
Energy follows ALL thoughts.. its all daydreaming vs worry baby.
The problem is we reside inside a rpeb[ublicna loka and smug unsmarts deem science LNOT A RELIGION"..
Of course science itself is a religion of fools IF... IF we share a common dream..
Science is FAITH DRIVEN to anyone more intelligent than a tomato.
You have a lot of nerve to lecture me on my views when you're a silly materialist.. a person who has forgotten their own divinity.. You lot don't strike me as clever at all.
Can you PROVE YOURE A REAL BOY...
Without attaching a signed note from your mommy stating so... go ahead.. attahc a letter from your mommy stating you are real..
I mean.. maybe ill fall for it..
Im making it easy..
You want the Nobel Prize to issue a price to a non-materialistic view and I suggest a NOTE FROM YOUR MOMMY will be enough to fool a millennium of muggles.
I want materialists to stop acting dumb... the universe is logical. You are remote viewing every word in this sentence you're learning simultaneously to now.. I'm sorry.. but you're a changeling immortal doomed to live forever and ever by default of the absence of time.
Your TOASTER is conscious (void of brain - attn biologists) because it is aware (memory = consciousness - think it all the way through) it is not simultaneously at the factory being constructed (of various thought-forms) to converge with simultaneous expectations (daydream vs worries).
Not a debate at all.
I spoke on this forum because i teach consciousness.... well.. and dr robert Kuhn is annoying in his bias.
Consciousness is SIMPLY simultaneous events you DEEM memories.
End of... My "Theory of everything mind" is on youtube..
and it is not a debate.
Simultaneous simulations can only work one way..
as described in this answer alone..
In FUTURE lifetimes lets hope mankind gets some smarter mommies.
BIOLOGISTS EAGERLY IGNORE simultaneous time (which negates scientific methods' repeatability factor also).
PHILOSOPHERS EAGERLY IGNORE simultaneous time (which negates scientific methods' repeatability factor also).
I'm a magician.. I teach how to manifest stuff.. I know how it works.. Magic is real and science is technically fake news.
If you chaps wish to ignore how reality works.. that is fully upon you.. its your path.
I've written three books and two of them are online as videos.. and Im not dumbing down consciousness for my sake.
I already know dying is perfectly safe and that all my memories are forever stored as actual events..
John Archibalds Wheeler's contributory universe comes close... if you want to study someone clever.
Consciousness is SIMPLY simultaneous events you DEEM memories.. period, End of.
Good luck with the self pinching, etc.. I'm sure it proves something.
Dream toast = kitchen toast (simplified)
The most logical explanation for all..
is hermetic principle number uno..
"life is but a dream sh-boom sh-boom" (paraphrased)
Wayne
p.s. Not a debate.. when you manifest you can see many things that did not make linear time sense and magic gets quite disney at higher levels
The phrase, "first person experience" is redundant since
"first person" means 'self' and
a self is an instance of the being-conscious-thought-process and
"experience" is the modulation of that process by other thoughts.
I.e., 'experience' contains 'first person' within its meaning.
There is not and there cannot be non-first-person experience.
I think the following is Closer To Truth. The mind is the state of the electromagnetic field of the body. There are two main forms of Consiousness, passive and active. All Consiousness is Electromagnetic Field Modulation, similar to a modulated radio carrier wave. The active Mind/Consciousness is formed from the smallest EM fields of every sub-atomic particle. Add an atomic layer for each atom. Then a molecular layer for each molecule. Continue with another layer for organelles. Proceed with a cell layer, all the way up to a complete living animal. The brain is an organ that is highly sensitive to this locally modulated EM Field. This modulated EM Field is many orders of magnitude greater in complexity than the EM Field generated by, let's say, a power cable. Every object that produces an EM Field has a form of Consciousness, it can be active or passive. The interaction of all EM Fields would hint at the existence of a greater Consciousness.
Interesting hypothesis! Assuming it's true, would you agree with the statement "Every cell is conscious?" How about "every atom is conscious? (At least of each other atom?)"
@@stringX90 I would agree. Any object that generates an electromagnetic field has consciousness. Some consciousnesses would be static like inert material while other consciousnesses would be dynamic as in a living being. The smaller EM Fields combine to form a new EM Field representative of the larger structure while maintaining their individual EM Fields. A form of "Emergance" happens. The total is greater than the sum of its parts.
@@seangilmore6695 I follow you on that. I'm curious, how would these EM Fields be similar to "modulated radio carrier waves?"
OR.. OR.. OR>.. Consciousness is MEMORY = simultaneous actual first kisses, etc.
Not brain related.. attuning to actual events in our life is memory.
I'm not debating.. Consciousness is memory and you're experiencing and learning everything now.
@@waynehilbornTSS The brain is what stores memory. Consciousness does not require memory. It only needs to exist in the moment of 'Now'.
What Is God? What Is Space? What Is Energy? What Is Consciouness?
The Mind of God Is Infinite Space, All Infinite Space Is Vibrations of Pure Energy of Infinite Frequncies, the Essence of All That Is, that Existed before the physical universe and all life existed. If you took the physical universe and all physical life out of the equation, like before the so called big bang, what existed then? Infinite Space Existed, and the Energy of All Space Existed. So for the big bang to happen the Laws of Forces had to be Created in the fabric of Space from the Mind of God for any so called big bang to happen, unless you are stupid enough to think that these Laws Created Themselves?
Consciousness is this way because it’s always about our own individual survival that drives us and builds us, it connects to our core.
Consciousness is a feedback system of 5 senses. Comparing new sense to older senses is the mechanism of evolution. One can say consciousness is 6th sense. Newborn does not have consciousness, however as baby grows with data collected through 5 senses and feedback comparison, consciousness emerges. Entire perception of the universe that we humans have is evolution of energy in each of us.
Very fascinating. So, the physical universe is a tool used by consciousness to learn and to enjoy its existence?
That hypothesis is just BS...
Like intelligent design, Big C is just a Religion or belief for people who can’t figure out Consciousness yet....
Pipe dream, wishful thinking; overreaction to a fear of death. And by the way, a totally useless idea as far as being able to do any real science with it.
Pressing X to doubt
@@oskarngo9138 *"Like intelligent design, Big C is just a Religion or belief for people who can’t figure out Consciousness yet...."*
... Which is closer to mimicking religion: "Multiverse Theory" or "Big Consciousness?"
I think it's an interesting idea, credible for further contemplation
'''Mind of the universe''? Is Dr. Carr implying ''God'' (without naming it as such)?
Consciousness has to be fundamental because it collapses the wave function.
Evidence?
Look up double slit experiment. And read the book “Biocentrism: how life and consciousness are the keys to understanding the true nature of the universe” by Robert Lanza
No. It does not. That is a misconception.
If you are a Physicist or know about state equations, imagine you are given the pressure and density of a gas and are asked, how does the temperature arise? If you know you stuff you would answer, the temperature does NOT arise, the temperature is concomitant with the pressure and density.
This is, in my view, why consciousness is there, a quality associated with bialogical states, not something that "emerged" from evolution. What emerged is the biological state, and consciousness just comes along with the package. So far, experiments are consistent with this view.
If you asked, could there be animals without consciousness, and the answer were no, this would not be because consciousness is requires by evolution, but because it is intrinsic to biological states associated with evolution.
Blue slime mold can solve complex optimization problems without a brain.
@@markb3786 *"Blue slime mold can solve complex optimization problems without a brain."*
... That's because blue slime mold possesses a *bare minimum* amount of intelligence necessary to facilitate whatever optimization problems it may face (no more - no less). However, if it was ever required to optimize problems associated with highly complex, global social media platforms (like YT) via automated algorithms ... then your "blue slime mold" would be required to evolve into a human over time.
a lot of mumbo jumbo
Not true
Rather : « Why consciousness neither comes or goes”
Because consciousness is the only “thing” which is”
The only “thing” you’ll ever know because everything perception is perceived at 0 distance from consciousness included this conversation about consciousness…
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Excellent additional contribution to the overall question of consciousness examined in this > 5,000 video series. Nobody more qualified to engage in this particular conversation at this point than Dr. Kuhn.
His questions were superb! Love where he took the convo after asking 'what is Big C Consciousness?'
Really... I'd argue Dr Kuhn was gobsmacked upside the head by his mommy when she told him he was a 'real boy... and that he was shallow in character to simply ass/u/me his mommy wasn't a dumbass.
Your consciousness is MEMORY... Period.. nothing more.
There solved....
What you may also not realize though.. is memories are always the actual simultaneous first kisses, etc.. occurring simultaneously to both now and also a billion and one year's form tomorrow.
I view Dr Kuhn and most muggles as absolute unsmarts.
Manifest and pay attention.,,. anyone past the age of seven should easily notice energy following ALL thoughts.
You are MEMORY... and your TOASTER is conscious (void of brain) because it can (pantheistic ) sense (memory = consciousness) it is not at the factory anymore
One day your toaster shall become a plant to learn to breathe.. and a fishy that waggles its buttocks to move... lifetime to lifetime we grow..
Evolution is PERSONAL.
One day (simultaneously to now) your toaster will drive a fancy human avatar.. all shiny.
and he will forget he was once a toaster and a fishy.
You have ZERO reasons to think you're not living the dream.. except the say so of >5000 mommies.
and self pinching.
Reality is actually very very simple... energy follows all thoughts.. period
Dr Kuhn needs to have a smarter mommy in a few more lifetimes.
LOGICALLY>.. science itself is the dumbest region if we share a common dream (expectations cause quantum collapses.. even into the perceived past).
FAITH runs the kaboodle.. (true story)
Oh.. and I used our known taught explanation of simultaneosu time to help you realize your divinity... no bible nuttery.
or mommy woo..
Reality is very simple... but you need to possess logic and common sense.
It didn't emerge. God created it.❤
Which one?
@@markb3786Yahweh.
@markb3786 the existing one.
Your god doesn't exist
Believe in Santa Claus too? Looks like someone failed epistemology.
Why do elementary particles exist?
Why do the Laws of Nature exist?
Both have existed for an infinite period of space-time.
Elementary particles following the Laws of Nature (both of which require the other to exist) are conscious at the most simple basic levels through all intermediate levels to the most complex levels...
So, consciousness began with elementary particles following the Laws of Nature which began an infinite distance in space-time ago.
Why is that?
How can that possibly be answered?
Maybe some questions cannot be answered.
Animals are self-aware, they possess the Qualia, we know very well that : Animals have pain and pleasure and desires and fears !
A number of them can recognise their reflection in a mirror, and some of them can even have a notion of what another animal have in mind, thanks to the Theory of Mind, which is a region of the brain of certain mammals.
Our idea of consciousness is just us applying our "Theory of Mind" onto ourselves. That creates a two facing mirrors situation with you in between as you must have experienced at some point between two real mirrors. At that point - when you reflect upon yourselves - your "Theory of Mind" holds a transitory and shifty "Theory of Self", until we pass on to something more practical, and our consciousness fades to a minimum, which is most of the time, until it is aroused again.
That's all there is to it. Thought I reckon it matters a lot to ourselves : All the issues come from our self-importance, and our greed for the Mirific Free-Will and a Grand Consciousness !
If you want to say everything is conscious, then you are actually referring to cognition, which is the the object of studies that brought the notions of 'properties' or 'categories' in metaphysics. Particles , or waves function, have properties that, beyond our possible observations, that define 'its' cognition of the world/environment where it can only react in a certain number of ways. Extend that using emergence and there is your recipe.
No deep mystery !
In my opinion I detect some level of magical thinking.
I think consciousness is an evolved survival mechanism. No conscious animal wants to die. Every conscious animal wants to continue its existence.
In fairness I could be wrong truth be told we as a collective have a very poor understanding of consciousness.
According to Mr. Carr’s Wikipedia page:
“He has interests outside physics, including psychic research.[2] He has been a member of the Society for Psychical Research (SPR) for thirty years, serving as its education officer and the chairman of its research activities committee for various periods. He was president of the SPR from 2000 to 2004. He is currently president of Scientific and Medical Network (SMN) in the UK.
“He has been the co-holder of a grant from the John Templeton Foundation for a project entitled Fundamental Physics and the Problem of our Existence. He is the editor of a book based on a series of conferences funded by the Foundation, entitled Universe or Multiverse? Bernard Carr also made an appearance in the documentary film The Trouble with Atheism, where he discussed these concepts, and also appeared in the science documentary film Target...Earth? (1980).”
Why ask why consciousness emerged, when there is noone to tell _what_ it is?
How can you see why - when you cannot see what?
If somebody really knows what it is, please tell!
What Is God? What Is Space? What Is Energy? What Is Consciouness?
The Mind of God Is Infinite Space, All Infinite Space Is Vibrations of Pure Energy of Infinite Frequncies, the Essence of All That Is, that Existed before the physical universe and all life existed. If you took the physical universe and all physical life out of the equation, like before the so called big bang, what existed then? Infinite Space Existed, and the Energy of All Space Existed. So for the big bang to happen the Laws of Forces had to be Created in the fabric of Space from the Mind of God for any so called big bang to happen, unless you are stupid enough to think that these Laws Created Themselves?
Well, praps e.g. human brain just "modifies" ubiquitous Consciousness, like a computer modifies, so to speak, electricity?? To think that a computer makes electricity emerge, is rather stoopid! -- Greetings form Finland, the Land of Käärijä (Wrapper). 🙃
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the founder of the Transcendental Meditation technique claimed already back in the 1980's that the Unified Field described by Quantum Physics and Consciousness, was the same. But it is a non-object and therefore not measurable in time and space. MMY claimed Consciousness is existence itself and that we can experience it all the time as our inner Self Awareness (the knowing that we exist). So according to MMY's theories the subtlest quantum levels of the universe and human Awareness, is the same.
Conscious are emerging from SOUL. If SOUL is staying in between our eyes brow and above the nose We are conscious. But the Soul stay in the neck We are sleeping with dreams. If it's stay in our chest We are sound sleep. It comes to in between our sex organ and anus We are dead. Please refer the old Tamil literatures. SOUL is not phisical matter, it's size is 8 time less than proton. But it's INTELIGENT. It's more brighter than millions Sun's brightness. If you want see or know it then you must have a true Guru( not teacher). At present our science knowledge is as child.
Thank you Mr. Carr. 🌹 Brave stuff. In God the Universe, Consciousness has to be fundamental or inherent, "built in". We conscious beings created by God could not be created from anything except a Conscious source. However, as God is not a being as most understand the word, attributing Consciousness to the Universe and including it in a "theory of all" may require a bit of mental adjustment. It's good to see C considered, as it's part of the invisible or metaphysical realm, which includes mind or mentality. Another metaphysical term from the East is Spiritual Consciousness, synonymous with Spirit in the Bible or Atman in Sanskrit.
Sounds to me like the standard Christian nationalist self-justification. That is, I don't "know" what it is.....BUT, geez, how do I make myself 'special?' I.E. "big C" vs. "little C". For those interested in this issue, I prefer Lawrence Krauss' s assertion that we are simply 'stardust.' Physically true, yet aesthetically pleasing to, well, to poetry-inclined in us.
Consciousness is fundamenal and doesn't happen in the brain, and Creation and All Thoughts come from the Mind of God, Period.
Imagination - Process of Pure Creation
The process of creation starts with thought
- an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought.
This is true of the universe as well.
Thought is the first level of creation.
Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact.
Words are the second level of creation.
Next comes action.
Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything.
The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced.
Conversation With God - The Holy Trinity
You are a tree-fold being. You consist of body, mind, and spirit. You could also call these the physical, the non-physical, and the meta-physical. This is the Holy Trinity, and it has been called by many names.
That which you are, I am. I am manifested as Three-In-One. Some of your theologians have called this Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Your psychiatrists have recognized the triumvirate and called it conscious, subconscious, and super-conscious.
Your philosophers have called it the id, the ego, and the super ego.
Science calls this energy, matter, and antimatter.
Poets speak of mind, heart, and soul.
New Age thinkers refer to body, mind, and spirit.
Your time is divided into past, present, and future. Could this not be the same as subconscious, conscious, and superconscious?
Space is likewise divided into three: here, there, and the space between.
It is defining and describing this "space between" that becomes difficult, elusive.
The moment you begin defining or describing, the space you describe becomes "here" or "there." Yet we know this "space between" exists. It is what holds "here" and "there" in place - just as the eternal now holds "before" and "after" in place.
These three aspects of you are actually three energies. You might call them Thought, Word, and Action. All three put together produce a result - which in your language and understanding is called a feeling, or experience.
Your soul (subconscious, id, spirit, past, etc.) is the sum total of every feeling you've ever had (created). Your awareness of some of these is called your memory. When you have a memory, you are said to re-member. That is, to put back together. To reassemble the parts.
When you reassemble all the parts of you, you will have re-membered Who You Really Are.
GOD THE FATHER is knowing - the parent of all understanding, the begetter of all experience, for you cannot experience that which you do not know.
GOD THE SON is experiencing - the embodiment, the acting out, of all that the Father knows of Itself, for you cannot be that which you have not experienced.
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT is being - the disembodiment of all that the Son has experienced of Itself; the simple, exquisite is-ness possible only through the memory of knowing and experiencing.
This simple being is bliss. It is God-state, after knowing and experiencing Itself. It is that for which God yearned in the beginning.
Of course, you are well past the point where you must have it explained to you that the father-son descriptions of God have nothing to do with gender. I use here the picturesque speech of your most recent scriptures. Much earlier holy writings placed this metaphor in a mother-daughter context. Neither is correct. Your mind can best hold the relationship as: parent-offspring. Or: that-which-gives-rise-to, and that-which-is-risen.
Adding the third part of the Trinity produces this relationship:
That which gives rise to / That which is risen / That which is.
This Triune Reality is God's signature. It is the divine pattern. The three-in-one is everywhere found in the realms of the sublime. You cannot escape it in matters dealing with time and space, God and consciousness, or any of the subtle relationships. On the other hand, you will not find the Triune Truth in any of life's gross relationships.
The Triune Truth is recognized in life's subtle relationships by everyone dealing with such relationships. Some of your religions have described the Triune Truth as Father, Son. and Holy Ghost. Some of your psychiatrists use the term super-conscious, conscious, and subconscious. Some of your spiritualists say mind, body, and spirit. Some of your philosophers say a thing is not true for you until it is true in thought, word, and deed. When discussing time, you speak of three times only: past, present, future. Similarly, there are three moments in your perception - before, now, and after. In terms of spatial relationships, whether considering the points in the universe, or various points in your own room, you recognize here, there, and the space in between.
In matters of gross relationships, you recognize no "in-between." That is because gross relationships are always dyads, whereas relationships of the higher realm are invariably triads. Hence, there is left-right, up-down, big-small, fast-slow, hot-cold, and the greatest dyad ever created: Male-Female. There are no in-between in these dyads. A thing is either one thing or the other, or some greater or lesser version in relationship to one of these polarities.
Within the realm of gross relationships, nothing conceptualized can exist without a conceptualization of its opposite. Most of your day-to-day experience is foundationed in this reality.
Within the realm of sublime relationships nothing which exists has an opposite. All is One, and everything progresses from one to the other in a never-ending circle.
Time is such a sublime realm, in which what you call past, present, and future exists inter-relationally. That is, they are not opposites, but rather parts of the same whole; progressions of the same idea; cycles of the same energy; aspects of the same immutable Truth. If you conclude from this that past, present, and future exist at one and the same "time," you are right. (Yet now is not the moment to discuss that. We can get into this in much greater detail when we explore the whole concept of time - which we will do late.)
The world is the way it is because it could not be any other way and still exist in the gross realm of physicality. Earthquakes and hurricanes, floods and tornadoes, and events that you call natural disasters are but movements of the elements from one polarity to the other. The whole birth-death cycle is part of this movement. These are the rhythms of life, and everything in gross reality is subject to them, because life itself is a rhythm. It is a wave, a vibration, a pulsation at the very heart of the All That Is.
This is my view on Consciousness. First of all, Dr. Mark Solms reminds us that the brain 🧠 is an organ. Inside the brain is our mind.
I believe that the mind contains our unconscious and our conscious mind. For simplicity, let's say that our unconscious mind holds the Collective Unconscious.
The material in our unconscious mind goes back into early ancient history and holds memories experienced by our forefathers. I suppose it could go back to apes and baboons.
At any rate, as we are able to experience the dream life that is stored in our unconscious minds and accept what those dreams and telling us, we become more conscious on a personal level.
Of course, this material is exceedingly difficult to achieve and accept.😮 Yet, this is the true way to become fully (70-90%) Conscious.
This is why psychoanalysis (Freudian style, only) is important. However, (as an aside) psychoanalysis must be updated for the 21st century.
I believe Mark Solms refers to our unconscious mind as the Id. (I think I heard him say this in one of his RUclips presentations. ) It made sense to me because digging into my Unconscious mind allowed me to realize what I've shared above.
To be honest, it's important to observe one's dream life and to record dreams. Only here are we allowed to realize how prehistoric many of our impulses are. Mankind is Deterministic just as Freud said and Robert Sapolsky writes in his book (Determinism, just published.)
There are other techniques to allow ourselves to get in touch with the verboten desires stored in our dreams, but that's a different conversation.
Who else is talking/writing about this material that I forcefully stumbled onto myself? Anyone? There must be others who wanted the big Conscious ness.😮😢😮😂😅❤
You lost me at woo.
Well... I hung there.
No, consciousness isn't another force of physics.
A theory of everything must mention mentality, because in my opinion... 😂 Science doesn't work that way.
This is utter quackery.
Deus sive natura. Awareness and how things interact with each other (i.e., Consciousness) is fundamental in/to deus or natura.