Honestly, that'd be really easy to crank out on a mill. I'm not sure why it's not already a thing. Maybe expense as brass isn't cheap, but it's an easy metal to machine.
@@davelees1161yeah and you can also give the aluminum ones a brass coating with the wire wheel method , provided you get them in the white and not anodized.
For those of us in the two most unfriendly 2A states, lever guns are easy to come by and aren’t subject to the restrictions that semi-autos are. Also, brush guns are a thing.
If you think about it, during the Civil War they used percussion muskets and even some flintlocks were pressed into service, and at the same time there were some guys using the newfangled fully enclosed metallic cartridge, all in the same 4 year time frame. That's fricken nuts when you think about it!
@@Lkdhhabv It would have turned out the same way. The Union went with weapons that could be made immediately, not pinning their hopes on a rifle/carbine that wouldn't be available for a year or more. When Spencer made his pitch to the Army he didn't even have a factory. The Union won, not because of the genius of its generals (if anything the great generals returned to the South) nor the courage of its troops (in that virtue no fault could be found on either side). The Union won because it was industrialized, and the mass production of equipment swamped the Confederacy. The Confederacy had to rely on equipment bought from Europe, which was subject to blockades, or small "fly by night" companies that often would take thousands in Confederate gold, then deliver a handful of barely functional guns, or nothing at all. Industrialization, and mass production, is basically how the US has won every war that it actually won. Germany would have struggled to win against the production capacity of the Allied powers, even before America joined the fight. After it did, victory was a forgone conclusion, the only question being how many men (and children) the Germans were willing to lose before surrendering. The same with Japan.
I have run 2 cqb courses using a winchester 1892 in 357 mag. The only area where I fell behind was reloads. The rifles ran perfectly and were "minute of bad guy" accurate.
.45-70 was used to hit like a 10' by 10' gong at 1800yds. It's complete indirect fire, but the cartridge itself carries a lot of energy over a long distance
The amount of work and effort yiu guys put into these videos are above all the other youtubers, honestly never ceases to amaze me. The production and editing are seriously above youtube level. Mad respect to you guys. Keep up the solid work.
I hunt with a Henry Longranger in 308 and I would love to see them do a tactical version of that rifle. Would be fun to see what they would come up with.
@@RangerPointPrecision oh, I’m not planning to convert my hunting rifle but you guys should do a build out and showcase what it would look like. Maybe it would be enough to get me to get a second one.
I've got a Henry Model X in 45-70. You get the threaded barrel and synthetic stock without the rail. I have a 1-4 LPVO and a Bushwhacker 46 on it. With hand loaded 525gr sub sonic rounds the impact is louder than the round going off after the FRP. I love that gun.
How is it? That's the exact model I'm looking at, around $950 ish what you thinking? Everyone else told me 3030 but I want the big boy 4570 Gubment lol as a Marine, I know its literally hit or miss
Lever actions give you an unfair advantage. While all the semiauto and full auto guys stand there waiting for their actions to cycle, you can run that lever as fast as you want.
45-70 is so iconic along with the 94 and 1873 that I couldn't hate them if you paid me. May not outpace modern rifles/pistols but it'll always have a solid place in history and our hearts. Love a good ol' lever to flick. ❤
As a German, I gotta say it's actually very impressive that the guy in the intro had no accent. Even the major Hollywood productions usually fail at that. 😅
Lyman reloading manual, I have the 48th edition, has a lot of material on .45/70 in the first half of the book (The "article"/chapter section). It was written by the great Paul Matthews, who probably knew more about .45/70 than anyone else that was publishing in the latter half of the 20th century.
While I think these build outs and mods are pretty great, for me , besides aesthetics , the best thing about a stock lever gun is the ergonomics . You can grab it like a big stick and run full tilt and it's not awkward at all and then pull it up for a snap shot . I got a Marlin 30 -30 with a buttstock shell holder on it that's my main go-to rifle. It's got the side gate for easy top-off so I'm all set for my needs. But whatever type you go with they are just FUN to shoot. I actually get bored fast with my SA rifles but my lever's and bolt's are always a good time .
These builds defeat the purpose of a lever action. Take a lightweight/slim rifle, throw 4 lbs of crap on it, and now youve got a 10-11 lb bulky monstrosity. At that point just get an AR in 450 bushmaster. Personally i think the ranger point stuff looks hideous.
The only thing I added to my Henry H010G 45-70 was a red dot, and it’s absolutely perfect. I used EGW for the mount. They make really solid minimalistic mounts if you don’t want a rail on your lever action.
I do think .45-70s have one good combat use other than hunting/dangerous animal defense. It was originally a black powder cartridge, so you could reload it with black powder in a TEOTWAWKI scenario. For the first year or two, everybody would still have smokeless ammo for their ARs and whatnot, but after that, you will be king of the hill. Assuming you can actually make your own black powder. You'll also need to be able to make primers, which basically means you need to be a chemist or have a friend who is a chemist.
Then, maybe muzzleloader is the most self sustainable. My grandpa back in the day, made his own percussion caps for his homemade smoothbore muzzleloader. He was in rural china, where they cant have guns. The barrel was made by a coppersmith, blackpowder was used for mining so it was common. The primers were some sulfur compound. So, muzzleloader is the most self sufficient, but cartridge guns are far superior weapons..
@@alanw1775 Right. I agree think that, eventually, presuming the TEOTWAWKI scenario persists for the foreseeable future, you will eventually have to use muzzleloaders, no way around that, and of course bows. And I have to say, that is awesome how your grandpa was able to make percussion caps. Those are the kinds of skills we have to keep alive.
Yeah, it was for hunting, which he loved. Unfortunately, a while after he stopped hunting, the commies confiscated it sometime in the 70s. But yeah all you would need is caps, black powder, lead, and a thing to cast bullets.
@@Nomans_NomenYou'll still run into issues. Losing arrows and bolts, fouling them from repeated usage and such. They might last longer than a muzzleloader or black powder cartridge, but unless you're a fletcher, you're going to hit the exact same issues.
I love that this man can give us 2 back to back extended videos showcasing tactics absolutely necessary for survival in an oh shit situation Then turn around and hit us with this tomfoolery
As a German i did NOT expect to hear some German VA Work for Italian Spaghetti Westerns. Those were my Childhood, especially Terrence Hill ones! Thanks for making me remember these and probably gonna wanna watch them again now Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
Also something important to note if you’re going to do RPP upgrades yourself: the stock is super easy to install. The hand guard however is not easy, and you’re best off with specialized tools or having someone do it.
I just got into the channel this week and after watching the bulletproof hoodie test my first reaction was to search "Henry 45-70 viable modern combat", I didn't find a lot of information. Thank you for providing a prompt answer here.
You'd find a lot more information if you tried looking up the Winchester 1886 in 45-70. If anything, the "guns that won the West" would probably be the Winchester 1886 in 45-70 Government and the Colt Single Action Army. There were boutique gun makers who did make higher quality with more intricate designs but it was the Winchester 45-70 Gov't lever action and the Colt Army revolver that brought law and order to the Wild West.
We own two Henry Big Boy's (brass) in .45 Colt, they are functional works of art. The blued steel, heavy octagonal barrel, polished brass and beautiful wood are an unbeatable combo. I would like to get a couple of the All Weather models for actual usage because I worry about damaging the original models.
Lever guns are flat-out cool. Even Col. Cooper, Gunsite founder and Warrior/philosopher, recommended the levergun to denizens of NY City, dubbing it the "Brooklyn Special". The slim compactness and power of a Win. 94 in .30-30 helped set his criteria for the Scout rifle concept....44s and .45s are great, but Mike, check out the external ballistics on an 18 to 20 inch barreled .357 magnum. She punches well above her weight class, and I love being able to feed your rifle and sidearm out of the same box of cartridges, with better power than 9 mm.....
Great video guys! I love the 45-70 and I own and hunt with one but if i thought i was going to be in a gunfight I'd grab one of my ARs or AKs not one of my lever actions.I also wouldn't dump money into a lever action trying to make it "tactical".That's kind of like souping up an old mini van. lol
@@johnnyshanksalot8358 I don't know a whole lot about. 458 SOCOM. However, Phoenix Weaponry's Christine 45-70 Auto they are getting sub MOA at 800 yards plus and it's producing 4,000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle.
As a note, you can still tube load. The slot is convenient but you can pull the tube all the way out and load right down the end and stop when they get to that cut out.
@@JD-tn5lzAs someone who owns a new ruger made marlin and a couple henrys... marlin is the better brand hands down. Henrys are obnoxiously heavy. My x model 357 is 7.5 lbs with nothing on it. The bluing on the henry is... acceptable. The action doesnt feel as "tight" as the marlin. The tube load design also reduces mag capacity. Henrys typically hold 1 less in the tube compared to similar models of other brands. A 21 inch henry 45-70 holds 5 rounds in the tube whereas an 18 inch marlin holds 6. Not a huge deal but something worth noting.
In the end, the lever action will certainly be more useful than that LAM mounted on the right side of the rail with no pressure pad connected to it, outside in the middle of the day.
Me and dad used to shoot wood chucks out my upstairs bedroom window back in the 90s. We always used his model 94 Winchester chambered in 7-30 waters which was a sick lever action. When he gave it to me to keep, I immediately ripped the scope off and just ran the iron sights. It's been a good deer rifle as well. It has put a lot of doe in our freezer over the year's. It's right up there with my polish type 3 ak, they don't come out much and they get wiped down once a month...
I love seeing old gun still in use. The lee enfield mk3 was a 10 round bolt action chambered in .303 used in ww1 and ww2 by the British and is still used in some militaries to this very day. One of my favorite historical rifles ever.
I don’t stay for the actual video content. I really like the bits y’all do at the beginning. They’re fun and anyone can tell you guys have fun at the dorky storyline you guys enact. Cheers!
I'd like to see this again with the levergun options for modern rifle rounds. Browning BLR, Henry Long Ranger, Winchester 1895 repro. How do the box magazine fed leverguns compare to the cowboy style?
I love the vid Mr. Thumb. Would you be opposed to doing a Tier ranking for rifle optics? I feel like it would be educational for a lot of us to hear your takes on rifle optics who can’t afford eotechs trijicons or aim points on all of our rifles.
@@fujimi715 they are far from obsolete. They are in common use and still made to this day. Many argue the model 94 in 30-30 is the most in use deer rifle in America. The sales volume of 30-30 ammo certainly supports the claim.
I got the handguard without the pic rail on top, it's lighter, I was just interested how the grip was supposedly better and I thought it looked cool a crack in the wooden forend got me to make the move and buy it, and it does feel awesome in hand, I love it
Agreed, did the same for my .357 Henry X, mainly for the ergonomics, and flexibility. Also added MI's ghost ring sight with a t1/t2 footprint that allows raised irons (suppressor compatible) with increased site radius, at 1/3 co-witness to a red dot.
I have the Henry big boy x in 357 mag. It is drilled and tapped for a rail on the top of the receiver it has a front rail and it has M-lock on both sides of the front of the gun. It also comes with a threaded barrel for a silencer. I’m not a fan of the ranger point stuff. I have a leather bandoleer sling on mine and a leather butt stock cover that holds 8 rounds. The gun looks great and I can hit the gong every time at 170 yards.
Being a lefty and spending a lot of time roaming the Foothills and mountains of the Alberta Rockies on horseback, I love lever actions. They are the perfect rifle for a scabbard. I really like my Marlin 45/70 Trapper but my favourite is a toss up between my Winchester 30/30 and my .303 Savage.
Try Hickok45 or Kentucky Ballistics. Both of them are grown men so they aren't making irrelevant political comments looking to get their backs patted@@joshbrien1318
I just stumbled across your channel looking for more brown bear hunting with a blowgun. I've never watched videos like yours or the Slick Master, but I'm hooked. You have a great sense of humor, while showing us EXCELLENT WEAPONS. I'm addicted. You're friends are funny too, not taking this too seriously. That's great. My family was Army. I didn't get in bcuz my ankle failed me (figure skater). Watching in Massachusetts and LOVING IT. 👏👏👏👏👏💞
To your point of not being able to tube load with the the ranger point, I have the gen 2 on my Henry all weather and they have a cut out on the bottom that allows you to tube load. Great video!
I've got a Marlin 1895 in 45-70 and I consider it one of my 1000 yard guns. I have a staff sight from Montana Vintage Arms and once you have your dope, it will put the rounds in the same spot every time. So, I would not consider the 45-70 to be limited in range.
I grew up with iron sights and are so used to them and have shot considerably more rounds with irons than with optics of any other kind. And I am Soo much more consistent with irons from 150-175 and in
To each their own, I imagine those who grew up in the age where optics of any kind were prohibitively expensive will generally have an easier time with iron sights, due to sheer experience, than someone like me who has grown up during a time when optics of all kinds became very affordable.
@@alexwalker2582 I mean, I'm only 35 so it's not like I'm a boomer that only had daddy's Springfield .06 lol but even my daisy 10 pump bb gun I took the scope off the first day I got it and went iron. It was a preference thing for me, then after thousands and thousands of bb's, then pellets, then my .22lr, then the .32 special lever actin marlin and .357 lever action marlin carbine. It just stuck. Now don't get me wrong, I got a sightmark red dot on my canik rival and a red dot and magnifier on one of my ar builds, and big scopes on my long guns like the .308 ar10 and 6.5 creedmoor and Grendel. But I am far more comfortable with a "v" and bead than a set of cross hairs or a little red or green or blue dot.
Micah's problem is common with many people that haven't shot a lever gun- short cycling when trying to go fast. All I have to see is how the bullet hangs up to know that was the cause. Have had several friends do the same thing that didn't have much experience with levers. In fact that happened with Mike's first try. Want to have some fun with speed shooting the stock Henry? Put a Skinner or sight with a ghost ring on it. Also, Ruger now makes the Marlin 45/70 Guide gun with the barrel already threaded for a suppressor / muzzle brake (comes with a screw on cap). Where the stock gun shines over the tactical is for a bear defense gun in the woods, or as a saddle gun in bear country.
I know you won't do blackscreen gear reviews anymore, but all things come full circle. So could you do a more modern and fun series looking at new gear and trying it out is some entertaining and competitive way?
With the new mag pouches and plate carrier from your Daddy, a new generation of Tegris belts with the Ferro concepts Bison and GBRS belts, the Blue Force gear CHLK/GRID and the Axl Eclipse belt, DM Mech belt and HRT ARC belt, the market has changed yet again. Also plate carriers from DFNDR to Agilite, UHMWPE plates from Dayton to ShotStop Duritium, even helmets like the new Avon ULW and Ceradyne IHPS. Pants and combat tops by UF Pro vs Crye, shooting glasses Oakley vs Gatorz vs HuntersHD.
Personally I love the look of it but the weight drew me away, along with the disadvantages. I found a gem years ago that NOBODY seems to know about. The Tactical Mossberg lever action 30-30!!! It’s been years so I can’t remember the model number Lol I regret selling it weekly haha 😂 😢
Mossberg 464 spx. It was their version of a winchester 94. 464's were notorious for having feeding problems. They stopped making them a couple of years ago.
They have lever actions in modern cartridges. Henry has the Long Ranger line up in 6.5, 308, 556, and Browning has their BLR lever actions in 30-06, 300win mag, 6.5, 8mm, 223, etc. Best part is they are detachable magazine feed instead of tube fed.
The issue with most modern cartridges is the shape of the projectile. In a tubular magazine they stack end to end, so you have pointed end resting against primers which is a recipe for disaster. There is one lever gun that uses a box magazine and 5.56, I can’t quite remember who makes it off the top of my head though.
Someone once said, "Just because it's old, doesn't mean it's obsolete, and even if it's obsolete, doesn't mean it isn't effective."
I believe that was Paul Harrell haha
Ah so you mean Paul Harrel yesterday.
tbh, the underlevel repater was kind of a overpowered invention for that time 🤣🤣
Nothing better than the HUGE rounds of a battle ship like The JERSEY!!!
And just because it’s not effective, doesn’t mean it’s not cool
People forget the 45-70 is a military cartridge. So a Henry lever gun - whether fancy brass or space cowboy version - is a weapon of war.
You just gave a liberal somewhere an aneurysm 😅
The only govt to trust.
@warrenharrison9490 no there is also the government model 1911 that is trustworthy
@@BG.........and a fudd
they finna come for the lever actions now 🤣
Someone needs to make a red dot and rail combo for the Henry brass receivers out of brass. IMO, that would look pretty sick.
honestly, agreed
Brass EOTech 🤤
Honestly, that'd be really easy to crank out on a mill. I'm not sure why it's not already a thing. Maybe expense as brass isn't cheap, but it's an easy metal to machine.
@@davelees1161yeah and you can also give the aluminum ones a brass coating with the wire wheel method , provided you get them in the white and not anodized.
Skinner’s may have what you seek
For those of us in the two most unfriendly 2A states, lever guns are easy to come by and aren’t subject to the restrictions that semi-autos are. Also, brush guns are a thing.
Bro. Get out while you still can.
Lol what? In NY it's still subject to capacity laws. Can't have cool shit still
@@TheLongDon I thought that was for removable magazines. I could be wrong though.
@@gregorsamsa5524 PNW people never leave the PNW
@@TheLongDon WA, Illnois
If you think about it, during the Civil War they used percussion muskets and even some flintlocks were pressed into service, and at the same time there were some guys using the newfangled fully enclosed metallic cartridge, all in the same 4 year time frame. That's fricken nuts when you think about it!
I agree. Could you imagine a bunch of rebels with smoothbore flintlock muskets going up against union cavalry with spencer rifles? Sheesh
Think of how different the war would have been if these were introduced
@@Lkdhhabv
It would have turned out the same way.
The Union went with weapons that could be made immediately, not pinning their hopes on a rifle/carbine that wouldn't be available for a year or more. When Spencer made his pitch to the Army he didn't even have a factory.
The Union won, not because of the genius of its generals (if anything the great generals returned to the South) nor the courage of its troops (in that virtue no fault could be found on either side). The Union won because it was industrialized, and the mass production of equipment swamped the Confederacy.
The Confederacy had to rely on equipment bought from Europe, which was subject to blockades, or small "fly by night" companies that often would take thousands in Confederate gold, then deliver a handful of barely functional guns, or nothing at all.
Industrialization, and mass production, is basically how the US has won every war that it actually won. Germany would have struggled to win against the production capacity of the Allied powers, even before America joined the fight. After it did, victory was a forgone conclusion, the only question being how many men (and children) the Germans were willing to lose before surrendering.
The same with Japan.
@@Lkdhhabvwhat side did you want to win?
@@slumsfinestthe south of course. Look what the north turned the country into
45-70 is such a badass caliber.
My Go To Squirrel Gun Here In Texas
*cartridge
@@skylarvincent2884🤓
@@skylarvincent2884is a dork 🤓
@@darksu6947Technically correct is the best kind.
The rifle drop into somebody's hands never gets old. Saw it coming and it still blew my mind.
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I have run 2 cqb courses using a winchester 1892 in 357 mag. The only area where I fell behind was reloads. The rifles ran perfectly and were "minute of bad guy" accurate.
That is *freaking* awesome!
I handload the 140 grain xtps with Lil Gun powder and they hit 2375fps out of a 20" barrel. Thats mid range 30-30 power but it holds 12 rounds :-)
"Minute of bad guy." I adding that to my dictionary.
😂 I’m just picturing a dude showing up to a CQB course with a Winchester 1892 😅
@@midwestgruntI got permission in advance. I used a s&w 627 trr8 as my sidearm. I had burn marks on all my finger tips 😂
.45-70 was used to hit like a 10' by 10' gong at 1800yds. It's complete indirect fire, but the cartridge itself carries a lot of energy over a long distance
Its basically a small mortar with a shoulder stock.
You can hit much smaller targets at a mile with it. We used to hit a man sized target at 1600m back when I was living on the ranch.
@@bdgacklecall my 1895 trapper the “whitetail howitzer”
The amount of work and effort yiu guys put into these videos are above all the other youtubers, honestly never ceases to amaze me. The production and editing are seriously above youtube level. Mad respect to you guys. Keep up the solid work.
never thought I’d see such a collab, between rdr and garand, keep it up
Red Thumb sounds like a that time of the month thing
Bro you make great vids
Too funny! The leather hat and wool collared coat were real winners. The Mad Max lever gun was real eye candy as well.
When flannel daddy is at the grand ram ranch he’s sporting the leathers and all about the eye candy. Just remember always keep your weapons lubed…
The coat is from Bladerunner 2049
I don’t think that coat is made of wool. Looks like shearling to me.
I just want to know what coat it is, I have never loved the look of a coat so much, someone tell me if you know
@@awolmartinez Blade Runner
Officer K Replica Coat by soul revolver. It costs $550
I hunt with a Henry Longranger in 308 and I would love to see them do a tactical version of that rifle. Would be fun to see what they would come up with.
You're in luck! We make a tactical forearm for Henry Long Rangers.
The Bear has spoken!
An ar10 is the tactical version of a long ranger in 308.
@@RangerPointPrecision Can we get a stock also????
@@RangerPointPrecision oh, I’m not planning to convert my hunting rifle but you guys should do a build out and showcase what it would look like. Maybe it would be enough to get me to get a second one.
I've got a Henry Model X in 45-70. You get the threaded barrel and synthetic stock without the rail. I have a 1-4 LPVO and a Bushwhacker 46 on it. With hand loaded 525gr sub sonic rounds the impact is louder than the round going off after the FRP. I love that gun.
Do a video on it!
How is it? That's the exact model I'm looking at, around $950 ish what you thinking? Everyone else told me 3030 but I want the big boy 4570 Gubment lol as a Marine, I know its literally hit or miss
Lever actions give you an unfair advantage. While all the semiauto and full auto guys stand there waiting for their actions to cycle, you can run that lever as fast as you want.
If you look at some lever action speed shooting contests thats not even much hyperbole.
Revolvers too.
@@bdgackle Good ol Bob Munden!
@@emissaryofelohim1431 Literally in the blink of an eye!....
most semis will cycle faster than most lever action operators.
Out of all the various older style firearms that could be modernized, this is easily one of them.
Out of the millions of times this dead horse meme has been beaten, this is most certainly one of them all
Duel wielding 45-70 lever actions is the most American thing I’ve ever seen. God bless you Sir.
God bless America
45-70 can do a lot of stuff. And it's 150 years old this year. As with anything, know the limitations and you'll be fine.
45-70 is so iconic along with the 94 and 1873 that I couldn't hate them if you paid me. May not outpace modern rifles/pistols but it'll always have a solid place in history and our hearts. Love a good ol' lever to flick. ❤
As a German, I gotta say it's actually very impressive that the guy in the intro had no accent. Even the major Hollywood productions usually fail at that. 😅
mad respect to Mike for rocking the ryan gosling blade runner jacket
This truly is a tale as old as time, "Beauty and the Beast".
I love my Henry 30-30. No mods really needed.
Lyman reloading manual, I have the 48th edition, has a lot of material on .45/70 in the first half of the book (The "article"/chapter section). It was written by the great Paul Matthews, who probably knew more about .45/70 than anyone else that was publishing in the latter half of the 20th century.
While I think these build outs and mods are pretty great, for me , besides aesthetics , the best thing about a stock lever gun is the ergonomics . You can grab it like a big stick and run full tilt and it's not awkward at all and then pull it up for a snap shot . I got a Marlin 30 -30 with a buttstock shell holder on it that's my main go-to rifle. It's got the side gate for easy top-off so I'm all set for my needs. But whatever type you go with they are just FUN to shoot. I actually get bored fast with my SA rifles but my lever's and bolt's are always a good time .
These builds defeat the purpose of a lever action. Take a lightweight/slim rifle, throw 4 lbs of crap on it, and now youve got a 10-11 lb bulky monstrosity. At that point just get an AR in 450 bushmaster. Personally i think the ranger point stuff looks hideous.
The only thing I added to my Henry H010G 45-70 was a red dot, and it’s absolutely perfect. I used EGW for the mount. They make really solid minimalistic mounts if you don’t want a rail on your lever action.
Is yours brass? I'm in love with the brass side gate model. Just wondering what the aesthetic would be if I plopped a red dot on there.
@@chipsawdust5816 Nope, mine is the blued steel with the walnut stock. The brass looks sweet too though.
Lever actions are so damn badass
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@@johnqpublic2718 😂😂😂
@johnqpublic2718 It does require a certain lvl of iq & hand eye coordination many lack now a days
Aimpoint T2, PEQ 15, Side saddle, and suppressor just like Oliver Winchester and Benjamin Tyler Henry used to carry.
The scenery! The views! The visuals! This is art!
I do think .45-70s have one good combat use other than hunting/dangerous animal defense. It was originally a black powder cartridge, so you could reload it with black powder in a TEOTWAWKI scenario. For the first year or two, everybody would still have smokeless ammo for their ARs and whatnot, but after that, you will be king of the hill.
Assuming you can actually make your own black powder. You'll also need to be able to make primers, which basically means you need to be a chemist or have a friend who is a chemist.
Then, maybe muzzleloader is the most self sustainable. My grandpa back in the day, made his own percussion caps for his homemade smoothbore muzzleloader. He was in rural china, where they cant have guns. The barrel was made by a coppersmith, blackpowder was used for mining so it was common. The primers were some sulfur compound.
So, muzzleloader is the most self sufficient, but cartridge guns are far superior weapons..
@@alanw1775 Right. I agree think that, eventually, presuming the TEOTWAWKI scenario persists for the foreseeable future, you will eventually have to use muzzleloaders, no way around that, and of course bows.
And I have to say, that is awesome how your grandpa was able to make percussion caps. Those are the kinds of skills we have to keep alive.
Yeah, it was for hunting, which he loved. Unfortunately, a while after he stopped hunting, the commies confiscated it sometime in the 70s.
But yeah all you would need is caps, black powder, lead, and a thing to cast bullets.
@@gunsgalore7571
Yeah, seems like bows and crossbows would be the much more feasible option than anything else in this thread.
@@Nomans_NomenYou'll still run into issues. Losing arrows and bolts, fouling them from repeated usage and such. They might last longer than a muzzleloader or black powder cartridge, but unless you're a fletcher, you're going to hit the exact same issues.
I love that this man can give us 2 back to back extended videos showcasing tactics absolutely necessary for survival in an oh shit situation
Then turn around and hit us with this tomfoolery
As a German i did NOT expect to hear some German VA Work for Italian Spaghetti Westerns. Those were my Childhood, especially Terrence Hill ones!
Thanks for making me remember these and probably gonna wanna watch them again now
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
You should go back and watch the previous series then - German Ron Jeremy has been a staple of this channel for some time 😂
@@skepticalbadger
Looks like i got a ton of Lore to read/watch up on haha
@@skepticalbadger he should be speaking Hebrew tbh
Why is Ron speaking german? Grüße aus Rgb!
It’s so nice spending the morning running 20 miles just to come back and watch your videos
lets gooooo
Also something important to note if you’re going to do RPP upgrades yourself: the stock is super easy to install. The hand guard however is not easy, and you’re best off with specialized tools or having someone do it.
The fact Mike is the one holding Ron Jeremey makes it even better. Its like Shoresy being played by the same guy that plays Wayne.
One of the underscored themes, I enjoy on these videos, is that you always demonstrate how practice and skill matter.
I just got into the channel this week and after watching the bulletproof hoodie test my first reaction was to search "Henry 45-70 viable modern combat", I didn't find a lot of information. Thank you for providing a prompt answer here.
That is awesome!
You'd find a lot more information if you tried looking up the Winchester 1886 in 45-70. If anything, the "guns that won the West" would probably be the Winchester 1886 in 45-70 Government and the Colt Single Action Army. There were boutique gun makers who did make higher quality with more intricate designs but it was the Winchester 45-70 Gov't lever action and the Colt Army revolver that brought law and order to the Wild West.
@@MisterNi Thanks for the tip! I'll look into it.
We own two Henry Big Boy's (brass) in .45 Colt, they are functional works of art. The blued steel, heavy octagonal barrel, polished brass and beautiful wood are an unbeatable combo. I would like to get a couple of the All Weather models for actual usage because I worry about damaging the original models.
Octagonal barrels really are a vibe, I love them.
Lever guns are flat-out cool. Even Col. Cooper, Gunsite founder and Warrior/philosopher, recommended the levergun to denizens of NY City, dubbing it the "Brooklyn Special". The slim compactness and power of a Win. 94 in .30-30 helped set his criteria for the Scout rifle concept....44s and .45s are great, but Mike, check out the external ballistics on an 18 to 20 inch barreled .357 magnum. She punches well above her weight class, and I love being able to feed your rifle and sidearm out of the same box of cartridges, with better power than 9 mm.....
They make a 45-70 revolver....
@@ShrockWPS OH, look a comedian! 4 1/2 lb. Single actions, yeah....you first on the Carpal Tunnel express...
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I wouldn't say it's a great option, but it's definitely doable 😆
nice intro & honest insights down the line.... love it. makes me lean towards the marlin sbl serie more rather than the dark for a .375
One of the top intros yet. That gun has a massive cool factor as well.
I actually really love Fort Scott Munitions! My absolute favorite for taking game.
“Thats the only transition we like.” Legendary
lmao, was waiting for someone to catch that
Great video guys! I love the 45-70 and I own and hunt with one but if i thought i was going to be in a gunfight I'd grab one of my ARs or AKs not one of my lever actions.I also wouldn't dump money into a lever action trying to make it "tactical".That's kind of like souping up an old mini van. lol
My friends dad dropped a 351 ford V8 into a 98 Mazda MPV van and put a mustang rear end in it.
It was so bad ass.
Christine Weaponry, 45-70 Auto in the AR10 platform.
Best of both worlds.
Damn right,those things are sick!@@ShrockWPS
@@ShrockWPSIsn't that kinda what 458 Socom is already? Is it hotter?
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I don't know a whole lot about. 458 SOCOM.
However, Phoenix Weaponry's Christine 45-70 Auto they are getting sub MOA at 800 yards plus and it's producing 4,000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle.
Nothing beats the look of a lever action rifle
I would absolutely pay money to watch this intro as a full movie.
As a note, you can still tube load. The slot is convenient but you can pull the tube all the way out and load right down the end and stop when they get to that cut out.
Henrys are for gamers and 48ers. Up here it's a Marlin when it's 45-70...unless you're a city boy from the Valley or Los Anchorage.
@@JD-tn5lz used to own a Marlin 45-70 with an octagonal barrel. Was a nice gun.
@@tikityler1386absolutely. Always a sad tale of "the one that got away"
@@JD-tn5lzAs someone who owns a new ruger made marlin and a couple henrys... marlin is the better brand hands down. Henrys are obnoxiously heavy. My x model 357 is 7.5 lbs with nothing on it. The bluing on the henry is... acceptable. The action doesnt feel as "tight" as the marlin. The tube load design also reduces mag capacity. Henrys typically hold 1 less in the tube compared to similar models of other brands. A 21 inch henry 45-70 holds 5 rounds in the tube whereas an 18 inch marlin holds 6. Not a huge deal but something worth noting.
In the end, the lever action will certainly be more useful than that LAM mounted on the right side of the rail with no pressure pad connected to it, outside in the middle of the day.
what a vibe tho
@@GarandThumb No lies detected. Vibe granted.
@@GarandThumbalmost as vibey as a blade runner jacket and arthur morgan hat
"...The only kind of transition we like" 🔥
DED
Me and dad used to shoot wood chucks out my upstairs bedroom window back in the 90s. We always used his model 94 Winchester chambered in 7-30 waters which was a sick lever action. When he gave it to me to keep, I immediately ripped the scope off and just ran the iron sights. It's been a good deer rifle as well. It has put a lot of doe in our freezer over the year's. It's right up there with my polish type 3 ak, they don't come out much and they get wiped down once a month...
I love seeing old gun still in use. The lee enfield mk3 was a 10 round bolt action chambered in .303 used in ww1 and ww2 by the British and is still used in some militaries to this very day. One of my favorite historical rifles ever.
Always jumping to watch when you drop a new video, keep it up man you’re my favorite.
There was a Green Beret who kinda famously used a .444 Marlin 1895 in Vietnam because he didn’t have to track wounded very far if there was any.
Still waiting for him to come out the jungle
“We’re gonna be… transitioning from one target to the next target.. It’s the only transition we like” 😂😂😂 killed me
I was looking to see if anyone else caught that 😂
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As a liberal, that comment made me so upset I cut my genitals off.
@@Jake-bt3fcMy condolences to your junk
I don’t stay for the actual video content. I really like the bits y’all do at the beginning. They’re fun and anyone can tell you guys have fun at the dorky storyline you guys enact.
Cheers!
thanks a lot guys! I went out and got my own tactical lever action because of this video!!
I'd like to see this again with the levergun options for modern rifle rounds. Browning BLR, Henry Long Ranger, Winchester 1895 repro.
How do the box magazine fed leverguns compare to the cowboy style?
The browning gun is ugly as f in my opinion. The marlin guns look much better. But I want that too. The Russian 7.62 version is sick😅 WINCHESTER M1895
Savage 99 would be nice to mod.
yknow, I feel like a swappablle tube could be a less-than-moronic idea for anyone who wants to keep the proper look with faster reloads
Garandthumb never fails to entertain. Keep up the great work.
I love the vid Mr. Thumb. Would you be opposed to doing a Tier ranking for rifle optics? I feel like it would be educational for a lot of us to hear your takes on rifle optics who can’t afford eotechs trijicons or aim points on all of our rifles.
Holosun, Primary Arms, and Vortex are all you need for “budget” optics. All can hang with Eotech, Aimpoint and Trijicon for a fraction of the price.
Hop and Brass facts are good for this
Honestly this has the best intro I've seen in a very long time.
I have a Win 94 Top Eject, so the RPP rails were the best option I found for putting an optic on it. Love my RPP rails!
Lever actions are the truth and the light. All other weapons bow before them.
No they arent...they are obsolete technology
@@zippydastrangeyou mean like your m4s when they get some sand or mud
As far as them being the end all be all? it might not be true, but it sounded good
Ain't no action like a lever action. Fight me
@@fujimi715 they are far from obsolete. They are in common use and still made to this day.
Many argue the model 94 in 30-30 is the most in use deer rifle in America. The sales volume of 30-30 ammo certainly supports the claim.
I got the handguard without the pic rail on top, it's lighter, I was just interested how the grip was supposedly better and I thought it looked cool
a crack in the wooden forend got me to make the move and buy it, and it does feel awesome in hand, I love it
Agreed, did the same for my .357 Henry X, mainly for the ergonomics, and flexibility. Also added MI's ghost ring sight with a t1/t2 footprint that allows raised irons (suppressor compatible) with increased site radius, at 1/3 co-witness to a red dot.
I usually run 325gr Hornady FTX or 410gr Federal out of my Henry, but Black Butterfly makes a 576gr hard cast lead bullet that absolutely slaps.
I have the Henry big boy x in 357 mag. It is drilled and tapped for a rail on the top of the receiver it has a front rail and it has M-lock on both sides of the front of the gun. It also comes with a threaded barrel for a silencer. I’m not a fan of the ranger point stuff. I have a leather bandoleer sling on mine and a leather butt stock cover that holds 8 rounds. The gun looks great and I can hit the gong every time at 170 yards.
Being a lefty and spending a lot of time roaming the Foothills and mountains of the Alberta Rockies on horseback, I love lever actions. They are the perfect rifle for a scabbard. I really like my Marlin 45/70 Trapper but my favourite is a toss up between my Winchester 30/30 and my .303 Savage.
Great video as always but the “transitioning from one target to another is the only transitioning we like” just got an instant like from me😂
instant unsub from me. you don't need to be hateful.
@@joshbrien1318 I don’t see it as being hateful I see it as making a joke they have the right to free speech and to free thought like
@@joshbrien1318 Ill sub since your gone!
@@joshbrien1318good riddance, don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!
Try Hickok45 or Kentucky Ballistics. Both of them are grown men so they aren't making irrelevant political comments looking to get their backs patted@@joshbrien1318
I feel sorry for the guy who had to hold the picture while they shot at him. Truly a brave man.
I've been looking forward to you doing a 45-70 video
The best transition thus far. From confident criticism to absolute frustration. Two men, one rifle.
Just rewatched High explosive point blank episode from two years ago and man, your voice has become deep.
Love the video keep up the good work
“That’s the only transition we like”😂😂
Y’know, i’m more jealous of the jacket than the gun ngl.
agreed! the only question I have is were can I get that jacket?
Me too, but if I had one I’d just look like a flasher… just saying
@@mathiasloff6106 From what I have seen its the Blade Runner coat that Soul Revolver makes.
I just stumbled across your channel looking for more brown bear hunting with a blowgun. I've never watched videos like yours or the Slick Master, but I'm hooked. You have a great sense of humor, while showing us EXCELLENT WEAPONS. I'm addicted. You're friends are funny too, not taking this too seriously. That's great. My family was Army. I didn't get in bcuz my ankle failed me (figure skater). Watching in Massachusetts and LOVING IT. 👏👏👏👏👏💞
To your point of not being able to tube load with the the ranger point, I have the gen 2 on my Henry all weather and they have a cut out on the bottom that allows you to tube load. Great video!
I've got a Marlin 1895 in 45-70 and I consider it one of my 1000 yard guns. I have a staff sight from Montana Vintage Arms and once you have your dope, it will put the rounds in the same spot every time. So, I would not consider the 45-70 to be limited in range.
I just cant possibly take this seriously with that intro 😂
that filter is sick. it looks almost like a movie!!! :)
@micahmayfield making the magic happen
the intro was only 2 minutes but it felt like a whole feature-length film. God bless Tom Magnum.
I just Love these kind of intros... they let you know that its gon' be a Great Video! All hail The Magnum Justice
I grew up with iron sights and are so used to them and have shot considerably more rounds with irons than with optics of any other kind. And I am Soo much more consistent with irons from 150-175 and in
To each their own, I imagine those who grew up in the age where optics of any kind were prohibitively expensive will generally have an easier time with iron sights, due to sheer experience, than someone like me who has grown up during a time when optics of all kinds became very affordable.
@@alexwalker2582 I mean, I'm only 35 so it's not like I'm a boomer that only had daddy's Springfield .06 lol but even my daisy 10 pump bb gun I took the scope off the first day I got it and went iron. It was a preference thing for me, then after thousands and thousands of bb's, then pellets, then my .22lr, then the .32 special lever actin marlin and .357 lever action marlin carbine. It just stuck. Now don't get me wrong, I got a sightmark red dot on my canik rival and a red dot and magnifier on one of my ar builds, and big scopes on my long guns like the .308 ar10 and 6.5 creedmoor and Grendel. But I am far more comfortable with a "v" and bead than a set of cross hairs or a little red or green or blue dot.
@@wickdghost3639 LOL fair enough.
Mike will probably pull off the best Arthur Morgan cosplay
The best lever gun salesman is back for round 2.
6:53 "That's the only transition we like" !
Micah's problem is common with many people that haven't shot a lever gun- short cycling when trying to go fast. All I have to see is how the bullet hangs up to know that was the cause. Have had several friends do the same thing that didn't have much experience with levers. In fact that happened with Mike's first try. Want to have some fun with speed shooting the stock Henry? Put a Skinner or sight with a ghost ring on it. Also, Ruger now makes the Marlin 45/70 Guide gun with the barrel already threaded for a suppressor / muzzle brake (comes with a screw on cap). Where the stock gun shines over the tactical is for a bear defense gun in the woods, or as a saddle gun in bear country.
45-70 Lever action. Can't improve on perfection.
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Well as a german, its kinda weird to see something else then our guns a Garand Thumb video.
Wait until the Bond Arms and Fightline AR-lever actions come out next year
Simply the greatest intro to a Garand Thumb to date
Omg... Garand Thumb plays Antistasi. Now I love them even more.
"the only transition we like" 😂😂😂
I know you won't do blackscreen gear reviews anymore, but all things come full circle.
So could you do a more modern and fun series looking at new gear and trying it out is some entertaining and competitive way?
With the new mag pouches and plate carrier from your Daddy, a new generation of Tegris belts with the Ferro concepts Bison and GBRS belts, the Blue Force gear CHLK/GRID and the Axl Eclipse belt, DM Mech belt and HRT ARC belt, the market has changed yet again. Also plate carriers from DFNDR to Agilite, UHMWPE plates from Dayton to ShotStop Duritium, even helmets like the new Avon ULW and Ceradyne IHPS. Pants and combat tops by UF Pro vs Crye, shooting glasses Oakley vs Gatorz vs HuntersHD.
Personally I love the look of it but the weight drew me away, along with the disadvantages. I found a gem years ago that NOBODY seems to know about. The Tactical Mossberg lever action 30-30!!! It’s been years so I can’t remember the model number Lol I regret selling it weekly haha 😂 😢
Believe that was the Mossberg 464.
Mossberg 464 spx. It was their version of a winchester 94. 464's were notorious for having feeding problems. They stopped making them a couple of years ago.
I'm a German and got to say that this intro is absolutely on fire guys!
Deep garand thumb lore in the opening. Love it
" Thats the only transition we like" hahahahahah
lmao, was waiting for someone to catch that
I think it's like anything else. If that's the gun you have and that's the gun you train with you'll be proficient with it.
I'd love to see this done in a modern cartridge.
Limiting factor would be the tube magazine. But Henry does make the X model in a variety of other calibers.
They have lever actions in modern cartridges. Henry has the Long Ranger line up in 6.5, 308, 556, and Browning has their BLR lever actions in 30-06, 300win mag, 6.5, 8mm, 223, etc. Best part is they are detachable magazine feed instead of tube fed.
The issue with most modern cartridges is the shape of the projectile. In a tubular magazine they stack end to end, so you have pointed end resting against primers which is a recipe for disaster. There is one lever gun that uses a box magazine and 5.56, I can’t quite remember who makes it off the top of my head though.
@@yeahnototally738henry long ranger and browning blr
I love when grand thumb does these off the wall gun videos. Especially western themed ones.
This has the spirit of the old Carnikon videos 🎉❤