Lol, and they'd let a woukd be assassin get within 150yds and up on a roof to shoot at a target they hate... Thank God that not all easy shots are successful. 🇺🇲
Carried a DMR in Iraq. Put a good forward grip with drop down bipods and a collapsible stock and its a very effective battlefield multiplier in any situation.
@@bernitiel As rifles and the attached optics become more accurate, carrying lots of ammo becomes less of a priority. If you need less ammo, you can then opt for a better round with more penetration and the ability to help the target realize they need to lay down and stop moving faster.
@jimbar28 a collapsible stock is for operating in an urban environment or airborne operations. Majority of the time, a DM is a regular rifleman, running the same lanes as other guys on the line. We aren't full on snipers, DM is a fire team or squad assignment.
Practically, you’re still more likely to survive running to cover and escaping than trying to engage them that far. -Find them (they already found you) -Get your firing solution (or immediately engage with swag at best, which frankly isn’t a terrible option) -get effective fires on target (hopefully before they do) Not saying you shouldn’t engage in LR training, as a discipline, or consider it a potential capability, I think it’s incredibly valuable for that assuming you’re on a moral walk. Just that for self defense (rol or wrol frankly) and an extreme range scenario, you’re probably best getting out of there and being a bad target than lying still, getting stable, and returning fire on someone that’s already stable and oriented on you or those you love. Granted, if wrol or no practical way to get help, you can always maneuver and re-engage after BC is successful, if there is an active threat in the area to you and yours that’s already demonstrated a lack of care for human life, now that LR and field craft skill set might be valuable, but staying alive is job 1
@@douglasmilburn3875 $400 battle rifle is for "rol self defense" Long range precision builds are for what's coming down the pipe. When it gets here, CQB is to avoided like the plague, because no matter how good you are at it, it will get you smoked. Best case scenario you take a few with you. Engagements, if possible, should be limited to greater than 300 yrds. Those we are likely to face suck at shooting and combat in general. They suck wayyyyy more at it the farther away you are.
Let’s goooo bro! My 6 year old is killing empty beer cans with his Red Ryder and I already have a Savage Rascal waiting in the safe. This fall he’s starting with the Rascal… Dirt biking and shooting with my son is the coolest thing I’ve ever did, you’ll love it.
GT is by far my favorite firearm channel on RUclips. Educational value, non bias reviews, real world scenarios. The list could go on forever. I'm a veteran and understand a vast majority of the upfront terms and practices. The way things are articulated in explained throughout videos is amazing. You aren't beating a dead horse with mil terms, at the same time you relate to those with little to no experience and provide valuable lessons. Range etiquette and safety is exemplary while still having fun. You guys more than deserve the success you've had so far and I wish you much more!
GT is fun to watch just as many GunTubers are but let’s be real about the fact that majority of them are paid schills and rather it’s for a firearm, a insurance company or a shitty online school that teaches you nothing, they all have their bad moments. Nobody should make a decision based on what someone said on RUclips. No matter who it is.
It’s crazy how gt manages to consistently put out super well researched skills vids, reviews, and keeps the production quality high. The editing is great, videos are always relevant and ok cutting edge topics, and the extra 110% effort comes through.
Ya it’s his job he a a no joke crew. He’s payed by leviathan! U think he’s a regular dude talking guns on authentic good ol utube? No bud you’re watching a heavily produced commercial. And they’re trying to sell u … -and you’re buying it!! Wow
I had some expendable money in my account and wanted a 308. I picked up an aero AR10 build kit in the rattlesnake for a lot more than I should have but it had a magpul stock in the same scheme. Store called me back a few weeks later and said "Hey, we have an AR15 build kit in the same camo and a magpul precision stock too" I had to get the set. I absolutely love that thing. Both have a Giselle SSAE and 18" barrels. The 308 is absolutely nasty, I'm getting under 1 inch groups at 300 yards with a 6-24 vortex something and I have a lot to learn with better trigger control. Farthest I shot was a 20 round group at about 600 yards and I pulled a few but overall every round was on the paper. Plan is to get a can for it soon but given my main sewer just failed it's going to be much later than I want.
Wait till Friday afternoon and fix it yourself. Code enforcement will never know what hit them. That's what I did new line from the house to the sewer main for $700 and that included the rent for the weekend for a mini excavator
I once went hog hunting with a couple of buddies and borrowed a setup similar to Micah’s (Less the Red Dot). I took a free standing shot on a hog at about 300 yards and it dropped on impact. What I didn’t know is there was a 225 lb hog laying in the brush about 15 feet away from me. Immediately after taking the first shot, it jumped up and charged me. Not having the red dot or training to use an 8x24 scope at 10/15 ft and closing, I rotated the rifle a few degrees and tried using the bare body as a form of iron sights. We never could tell if I hit it but I did scare it enough to stop charging and B-Line another direction. I was able to drop it shortly after, once it was far enough away for me to use the sight effectively, but I swore on that day when I built my DMR I would be adding a canted/top mount red dot for these situations, and until then, carrying my handgun. Edit for clarification: The 8x24 was built for the range, I just didn’t have anything of my own at the time. I look forward to going back with a proper setup though. I shoot 556 with an LVPO OR red dot but will build my 308 with a secondary because I prefer not having to take my hand off the rifle.
The handgun should always be apart of any kit regardless of the weapon you have with you. You never know what will happen to your primary whether it be, as you mentioned, not being quite trained on it or if it/the sight breaks in some way.
I use to think like that. I had an old romy ak. Bud came over never shot one. Think he was scared of recoil? He was odd. Anyway I had some steel 80 yds away big turkeys etc. he just turned around and hip fired it. Slapped down like 4 in a row singles! He handed it back and said nice. I didn’t say a word but I started hip firing a little as practice. It’s actually fairly easy just watch and point u can hit way better than expected. I’d never shot without sight but that taught me. We see punks with no sights on the ar pistols a lot. It’s stupid and crazy but u can make hits
@@jefferyboring4410 US police and soldiers used to point shoot from the hip as their main stance for a long time until we realized the shortcomings and that it was faster to just get better with a full draw with both hands
LPVO with a true 1x, Absolute Co-Witness. That solves your problem right there. And the Co-Witness is just for redundancy, not necessary if you have an etched reticle not reliant on batteries. I use a Mark 6, but my eyesight is good enough that 6x is more than enough magnification for me to shoot the maximum effective range for game, but you can go as high as a 1-10 with a Razor 3 and still have true 1x... it's unnecessary overkill to have an 8-24. That level of magnification is only necessary when hunting "the most dangerous game," but not conducive to ethical shots on regular game, because it's pushing you past 1k yards where a light breeze can change a perfect shot into inhumane cruelty.
8x24 for hunting is not a good option indeed. I would recommend 3x9 or 4x12 it's not too much magnification in close and it will get you out as far as anyone should be shooting ethically.
I’m 33, when I was six my dad started teaching me about firearms. The first gun he let me shoot was a 22mag/410 over under. He gradually moved the targets out further and further. That was the birth, of my love for long range, precision shooting. That’s why I own DMRs. Wish I wasn’t a broke ass so I could get my hands on one of them fancy ModKs. SR 25, to be specific.
I had an over under 22 mag 20 gauge. It was awesome. Some bastage stole it out of my pickup when I was in high school during a game. You know, back when we had gun racks in the back window.
Knights armament guns are not worth the money. Buying shit that’s “mil-spec” just means they marked it up to whatever the government was willing to pay for it. It’s never good value
I think DMRs offer a solid balance between precision and versatility, especially for those who want to stretch out their shooting distances without stepping into full sniper territory.
The original concept was HARM (High Accuracy Rifleman) which became the Squad Designated Marksman. In Iraq, they were getting a high % of kills. Part of the key is sophisticated ranges and qualification scoring criteria.
During Korea, the Navy kill ratio was 12-to-1. We shot down 12 of their jets for every one of ours. During Vietnam, that ratio fell to 3-to-1. Our pilots had become too dependent on missiles. They had lost some of their dogfighting skills.
@@biznatcho7 what lol i know this to be true, but how tf is it relevant? and also i just want to mention that nowadays with our missiles having advanced a lot, it kind of is ok to be dependant on missiles
I’m a big fan of the DMR. They can also act as battle rifles, are cheaper than more precise rifles, and let’s face it even with a $20K rifle/scope most of us can’t afford or don’t have the range to train at 1000+ yards. A reliable hit at 600 is about as good as most of us are realistically going to be able to shoot. In a Red Dawn situation only a few of us are hitting at a mile but being more accurate against a turret gunner behind a shield or take out a radio operator to initiate an ambush is the point of the DMR.
Exactly. 600 yards is the farthest I've ever gotten to shoot, and it was 1 day in my life so far lol. Normally, 300 yards is the longest I can access. My 556 can do 300 all day long, as can my 308 of course. At 600 yards, my AR10 was ringing a 12 inch steel gong about 75-80% of the time, using wolf steel cased 150 grain 308. I also can rock that AR10 up close if need be. It's not as built for that vs my AR-15, but I'll take a bit less rapid rate of fire if it means hitting with 3-0-hate
@@robertfota4109have you ever tried Federal SMK 175s? I've gotten down to 1/3 moa with them at 300 yd (farthest distance I can shoot due to terrain limitations), basicly a golf ball size group. There's a 1 mile+ range near Little Rock, not far, but costs more money than I have to be a member.
@ 😂 I suppose it is. But never having the place to shoot past 300 yards or having aging eyes that can hardly see 300 makes the “easiest part” impossible while lying still and crapping yourself for days gets as natural as breathing
As always he's right. I was a lonely man, since I bought my DMR I feel much better. I went with a sig AR-10 with a 1-10 sig scope. I no longer feel lonely. Thanks Garand Thum!
@@Turn2Ugin I enjoy my 20s as well but it’s nice to get opinions from individuals who have multiple semi auto .308s and actually shoots them to see how it compares in the end.
DMR has cured E.D. Heard this on the range, and so I bought it and took it home. Lets just say the misses was very happy. AK neighbor still messing with chinese rhino horns
The amount of work you guys put into these videos is amazing! Every gun, all broken down to a science. Leaving as little human error as possible. Thousands of rounds with as best formed opinions as possible. Fucking love you guys!
I have yet to find a range where shooting animals isnt against the rules. My local range constantly has deer on it, because theyve been conditioned to it being a safe place for them. You cant hunt on the flat range.
It's not entirely defensible, but somewhat in their defense, those Sierra 5s were subbed out to another reputable OEM who made the defective cans. They certainly should have caught the issue sooner and handled the defective units better though. I love my Nomad 30 and still want a Sierra 5 though.
I always wanted to do a father and son project (DMR) my dad passed away almost 4 years ago and I decided to go ahead and order some parts and then had a gunsmith put it all together and surprisingly it came out awesome
Having few family members with DMRs and patrol drone network system is in my humble opinion the best way to protect large private properties from unwanted groups of people
Covers lotta ground with accurate fire and allows positive ID of targets or friendlies. Less patrolling by foot or wheels, more recharging air vehicles.
I've always assumed that as a Civilian having a DMR that can reach out further than a standard service carbine is a kinda must. There isn't enough of me to make anything else useful
Agreed. Unfortunately, I am disabled now with two kids. I don't have a lot of spare cash nowadays. I do have several hunting rifles that will outrange intermediate rounds. But yeah, I would definitely rather start taking them out before they can touch me. Being one guy is a bad thing in a firefight.
@@letsdothis9063same with me. I have plenty of hunting rifles in 250 savage, .270, 25-06, 6.5 cm, .338 wm .22-250, but nothing in .308 or semi auto. Got ar15’s but nothing bigger.
Sniper rifle is defined by first round impact accuracy. DMR is about maximum effective range for a supporting role. SPR is a normally adding effective range to a intermediate or common caliber in a unit. The minutia is dictated by these requirements.
Initially were given 20 inch rifles and trained to shoot further with them. During the training, we had a few people with typical 14.5 inch rifles going the same distance. They wouldn't let us shoot past 700 without using more appropriate rifles/ sniper rifles. We trained a few times with snipers from the UK as we were in the same country at the time. It inspired my 18 inch build, although I also have a 308, and 6.5 to better extend the distance. Good video
I was in the army in the late 80's early 90's. All we had were 20" M16's with irons for literally everything.. No lights, no lasers, no scopes. The only other weapon we had was the M60 which was my baby.
@@Paintballguru92 actually, it wouldn't. Flip a coin, twice. Tails. Tails. Do it 98 more times and you'll get closer to 50/50. The larger the sample size the lower the variance because the outliers are minimized.
@@charliestoybox2099 the FGMM 168s out of my 26” LH RD 1 in 10 bbl had a SD of 4fps after 10 rounds down the Leupold tunnel. Crazy good factory ammo. It’s always been the 308 benchmark ammo in that tunnel for all of us there.
@@davida375AI that’s just awesome. I don’t have the time to reload these days so I’m grateful for factory ammo like this. I’ll need to try those 168’s out of my EBR. The 175’s are too heavy for the barrel twist.
“Do civilians need…” YES. Whatever the second part of that question is, the answer is yes. Edit: “Do civilians need (insert weapon/arms/armament here)…” YES.
I had a tuna melt for lunch while watching this, home made. Canned tuna from Costco, mix it with mayo, diced celery, garlic powder, salt, and some limes(lemons work better but I had some limes on hand to use up). Grilled on some sourdough bread and medium cheddar on both sides. This video though was long enough for me to watch it for a second meal, so for dinner I had Indomie noodles with rotisserie chicken and eggs.
When I had cancer my family thought I was weird af for getting excited before every surgery I had. (I had 6 total in 3 years). I told them I'm about to legally and professionally get so high I literally lose consciousness, you bet your ass I'm gonna make the most out of this! 😄 Also shout out to the dentist that did my wisdom teeth, once he cranked on the nitrous he gave me a Walkman with Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here album to listen to. 😁
@@rogerj.fugere3570 He's a real one for sure. Had a whole CD booklet full of music specifically for that purpose and he had everything PF had ever released in there.
Really enjoyed this video. I’d like to see a follow up in the future along the lines of marksman fundamentals? Going more in depth into the use of optics, ammo choice, ect. Would be cool to see you as a vet incorporating military fundamentals into civilian usage and finding a happy medium of skill and practicality
In the British army we have the L129A1 Sharpshooter Rifle, which is probably a knock off of an American system knowing us.. And back in Afghanistan when we were having engagements from 300 meters to 800 meters this rifle was invaluable.. We were getting hit by a single PKM position to our front and a Soviet era Underslung Grenade Launcher from our half right, but the PKM thought he was safe, our GPMG rounds were bouncing off his BUND line and he would simply wait for it to stop and engage us again.. But we noticed that he had a young dude on a moped going to his position then leaving again before re-engaging us, and we noticed in our optics he was going with a towel sized rag with PKM link wrapped in it, wrapped around his body and leaving without it, and by British LOE we could engage him too as he was supplying the gunner with link.. Step forward the casual hero, or me with my L129A1 and the next time we saw that kid deliver link and leave without it, at 500 meters, moving target, on a moped, moving at speed from right to left, I lead him and it took 6 shots, but the 6th saw the young talib pitch forward holding his stomach, fall off his moped, roll onto his feet and start running, before reaching the wall, stopping, sliding down it and expiring.. And guess what, Mr PKM ran out of ammo and had to pop smoke and bug out.. Couldn't have done it without the DMR gents.. Invaluable indeed.
Hellouva story, always wondered how well those LMT’s worked across the pond. Good work out there, loved working with the Royal Marines when was at Pendleton. Semper Fi!
@swingnamiss8130 Yeah mate, they're good blokes, all marines are I think.. I met a few ex USMC guys when I was in Ukraine from January to July 2023, one guy, Callsign "Swampy" especially stood out, he's lost one eye in action over there, but hasn't let it stop him, he's still over there dropping cuɲts.
@@quiksilv81it’s not exaggerated. They’re still having problems with a wide variety of their cans. And the way the handled the situation was complete bullshit. Fuck dead air.
Nothing like a new Garand Thumb after a good range day where I upgraded from compact to full size 9mm and seeing this video is just a reminder that I need a rifle.
@@jason200912 I don’t know either, but might have something to do with their gas piston system. The best 5-shot group I could get at 100y was 1.5” with premium match ammo. The DD easily gets .75” at 100y, 1.5” at 200y.
Yeah they’re trying hard to build their rep back up Hopefully they have or are working their QC issues out Frankly some unacceptable cans have gotten into consumer hands
In 2002 I built an FAL rifle, back when 200 round battlepacks of 7.62 NATO were $18 and mags GI mags were $6/ea. It was during the assault weapon ban, so ARs were still super rare. That FAL was my rifle to rule the world… right up until I had to carry it, shoot it offhand, or carry ammo for it, or pick it up after firing a few mags and brand my skin. I’m a big dude, but a big 7.62 NATO is a lot to hump around. Outside of having a prepared position and a defined field of fire, I don’t really want one. BTW, the FAL has an adjustable gas system just like the whiz-bang DMRs shown in the video.
Are we really talking about 2k+ rifles? I seriously think people have gotten out of touch with reality. TRUST me, I understand quality, I understand spending more to get better, but with everything in life there is indeed a ceiling effect. Spent more than 2k on my first AR-15 and regret it. More than 2k on a long distance rifle, is insane to Normal folks. Who needs (1-2) quarter size groupings when you just need to hit a “body figured” target (hypothetical) at 500-1K yards? (These are real questions, i am inviting enthusiasts for open friendly discussion : ) I’d love to see grand thumb incorporate a specific rifle each video if he is testing a set of rifles/weapon that is the option for the “common man”. I think he does, but it’d be a dope concept every video to see which one he chooses. Just an idea! GREAT VIDEO DUDE!!!
No one is forcing you to buy the best of the best, the firearm industry is insanely competitive. You could buy PSA or Aero parts on sale then slap a nice barrel on it with a viper gen2 or Athlon scope and have a very capable set up for a fraction of the price. As far as accuracy, no you don’t need to shoot 1/2 moa to hit a human sized target but speaking from experience once you get out past 500 yards you want to eliminate as many variables as possible to make it easier. I’m not trying to attack you but I hear a lot of people complain about prices yet they have 20 $600 guns sitting in their safe, I prefer quality over quantity.
I peak at Daniel Defense, the diminishing returns shows itself around $2k which is also good, I'd bet my life on diminishing returns value, especially from reputable manufacturers
Military Arms Channel had a good point about using a .308 as your do-all rifle. The ammo is just as common as 5.56. It offers more power, more terminal effectiveness and now with the increased popularity of suppressors, an option for indoors use. The shorter barrels on M4s got popular but the army and marine corps were kicking doors with 20" M16s in Iraq. So, do you need a DMR? Maybe not, but it's entirely possible to have a .308 gun that can do it all.
Bringing up what happened in Iraq did the opposite of what you wanted. That catastrophe is why they moved to shorter barrels. Also using a suppressor does not make 308 a good indoor option. A dmr is not a good indoor gun. It’s awful at it. The point is that one man in a squad can achieve greater range.
@@josh2711 The US Army seemingly disagrees with you. The M16A2/A4 was 39" long. The new XM7 is 36" with it's suppressor attached. And the suppressors are standard issue and are intended to be used all the time, because of the powerful round the new rifle uses. A DMR isn't a good indoor gun, but I didn't say it was. I just said something in .308. And the video just lays out that guy's opinion on the matter. If you like shorty boi 5.56 guns, keep using those. This is still America.
@@rockymountainhomestead I've been looking at one of those pretty seriously. I like the Robinson Arms XCR-M more, but the Ruger is a nice gun and is like $1000 cheaper.
It would be really cool to see a collaboration of some kind with 9 Hole Reviews on these subjects. Mr Henry is an absolutely legendary shooter, and seeing him give some tips to you guys would be awesome. Or just sending a few of your setups out to them and seeing what's possible on the speedway course
I have to dance with the one I currently have and that is the M14, but it's not your typical M14. My go-to has a suppressed Socom length 16.25" barrel with a full length monolithic rail, and the chassis stock I use gives me the ability to swap out complete suppressible 'uppers' with an 18" or 22" barreled action. Trees and rolling terrain limit my maximum range to about 400 yards around here, so the 16.25" is my go-to multi-purpose rifle and I think it compares favorably with the LMT DMR that you demonstrated. I use 20 round box magazines and compact 50 round drum magazines to feed my rifle an assortment of ammunition. RIP Paul Harrell and Mike Peterson
@@kevinyoungM14EBR I fall into that category… hills all wooded.. if I am able to get over 100 yards view I’m lucky. But bought the M1A socom 16 and added the primary arms lpvo 1x8 scope. Love it!
As I live around 10km from the Russian border, the first gun I picked up (after my first pistol the ol' reliable Glock), was a DMR. Simply put, excellent at long distance engagements, which if shit hits the fan is where you'd preferably like to be at. Also usable at medium to short distances. Now rounding out my gun arsenal with a bolt action and an AR style rifle. But to have a good middle ground, going for a DMR is perfect, because if shit hits the fan, no one is gonna give you 1-2 months to wait for your gun to arrive to you, what you have is what you have. Also shit hitting the fan is why I had to go with the .308, purely due to it being NATO standard issue, so if you live long enough and you're running out of ammo, there is a miniscule chance of getting more.
I’m not super knowledgeable about dead air cans so I can’t speak on them. That being said, in a LOT of videos, Flannel Daddy never uses AAC ammo. Even on videos involving different types of 9mm and 556 there’s never a drop of AAC
@@Jtmorrison2000 I should have made that clear, I meant using the ammo not the suppressor. Sponsorship from dead air? They don’t use dead air suppressor. Sponsorship from AAC? They don’t use aac ammo much at all
@@grand_nic7686 they still use a lot unless AAC doesn’t produce that caliber or specific round they’re looking for. We haven’t really had a 9mm review for a while. Most of what they use are the 308 and 77gr Sierra otm in 556
Hey, I know I'm late to the party, but for the H&K, try loading 6 rounds and shoot 5. In my limited experience shooting gas guns in PRS type matches, the follower in the magazine can affect how the last round is loaded, damaging the bullet when it is being fed. Also, with H&K having their proprietary mags, it could explain why only that gun experienced it. Food for thought, but I bet the gun is already back at H&K
When I was making my builds, the 6.5 Creedmoor was just coming out, so I went with the 260 Remington, which was used in most sniper competition at the time. I actually think it is better that the 6.5 Creedmoor, but I have to roll my own, but all good snipers do that anyway. Great video guys.
@@John_439 I hand roll my 308 dmr loads. 165 sierra match king bthp with 40.0 gr of Ac2460 or ramshot tac. My 30hate holes touch each other at 100yrds ;) out of my lowly DB10.
JAKL 308/6.5 will be my DMR of choice when it comes out, side charging, folding stock, adjustable gas block, piston driven, and probably gonna go for half the price of most of these on the table
And here he goes again with the incredibly well timed videos. I just finished a precision oriented 308 build, based around a Noveske barrel I got for a steal.
Since we can't easily obtain automatics and the thousands of rounds needed to feed them, yes a DMR is needed. Honestly, if you aren't urban then a DMR or SPR should be your first tactical rifle with some exceptions. I'd argue it's more worthwhile than a home defense rifle if you already have a handgun. Suppressive fire and distance are the best bets in the boonies, and suppressive fire is unfortunately off the table to the masses
Also not to mention a DMR is literally just a good hunting rifle being rebranded as tacticool. Folks were using ar10s for hunting long before the military went DMR crazy in Iraq.
Recently bought a Primary Arms 4-16 scope for my DMR build on sale. its an SLX series, but it feels like a solid scope. Great video and Primary Arms is AWESOME!
Worth the cost? I went with a $150 1-6 LVPO on my 308 AK (saiga), since you know, it's an AK and apparently they can't go past 300 yards. I considered the conversion as I've done it before, but I like the factory feel with the standard stock as exported (before the pesky 2014 import ban).
I like how the thumbnail says “do civilians need DMR’s” but the same thumbnail has a rifle setup that costs more than most used cars on the road right now. Don’t even get me started on the H&K417 either.
Good point, but as he said, only one person in the squad needs one. Also I’d say anyone serious about shooting should at least have one very high quality piece of glass.
@cjones070 By chance, does the person who told you to believe that happen to sell anything or have any sponsors? It is absolutely bonkers crazy out of touch to say the average civilian needs an 8K+ rifle when a $1,500-$2,000 will do 95% the same as the others, for the average civilian. Telling someone to spend less on their day-to-day transportation used to get to and from work, to make money, potentially to the point of owning a shitbox depending on your income so that way you can spend more on overpriced rifles for the end of days that may never come is horrifically irresponsible advice. This is just a parody of consoooomerism at this point.
Finally GT features an XCR-M. It really does lend itself to being kitted out as a DMR more than a MBR given the weight, but if you run it with just irons and a 16” barrel it will outperform the SCAR, FAL, G3, AR10, and M14.
@@triphammer1203 im aware some Sierra 5s have defects, but you entirely missed the point like you weren't even trying. Crapping on DEAD AIR for a suppressor made by KGM is being butthurt at the wrong person. Again, like my example of the City Express and Chevy.
@@chipsandcase-o5738I wanted one of those contract overrun cans but I lived in California at the time which meant I couldn’t buy one. I guess good thing I couldn’t get one.
@@anthonydietmeier6524Honestly I was about to say the same thing Touaregs don't get enough love. (Owning one has turned it into my favorite car) Though I was a little less heartbroken that that one is gas and not diesel. But VW really needs to bring the Touaregs back to the US, they're great
@Cman2ptO yeah my 2012 TDI has been great. Even better with a tune. Glad I'm not the only person that paused and zoomed on the badge to make sure it wasn't like a V10 TDI. I'm not sure the American market at large will ever be ready for an expensive VW suv. It's just a foreign concept to most. But they'll happily buy the same vehicle with an Audi or Porsche badge on it for big bucks.
I have an 18" barrel 7mm-08 ar10. Wouldn't want it as my daily driver, but if I was in open country, she's hard to beat with a 140 tsx load. Smidgen under 12 lbs field weight.
I don't ever recall seeing you guys do this, but would love to see a video of Mike, Mica, Charlie, and whoever else do a competition where you see who can build from a stripped lower/upper the best AR on the cheapest budget.
There are a lot of scenarios where the DMR would pass in court as self-defense. There could be an evil horde racing towards your house. You could have a lot of acreage and it’s like a mad Max scene.
Somewhere in the louisiana back woods theres a 16 inch 12.7 mm "DMR" semi aughta gater getter 12,000 ft lbs of energy at a kilometer into a 20 foot reptile here since 1752
I constantly get reminded about my decision 5 years ago to drop 5.56 and go all in on a 7.62x51 chambered Armalite AR10a. It was the best idea to own a battle rifle You own so many capabilities that 5.56 can not touch. Yes, 5.56 has low recoil. Just buy a badass muzzle brake, and .308 feels similar to a stock 5.56. Just the barrier smashing capabilities are worth the extra weight in rifle and ammunition. You definitely feel confident using a battle rifle cartridge instead of an intermediate caliber varmit cartridge. Long story, longer... In my mind, a DMR would have a minimum of 20" barrel. A sick hi-tech muzzle brake. Legs that cantilever. Thermal Scope or a powerful Leopold Scope or a Night Vision Scope or All of the above. So you can use them all for different missions as needed. A DMR needs to be mobile. It's not a sniper rifle. But it can be used for sniping, indirect fire, and smashing fortified battlefield positions. That was the problem we had in Afghanistan. We couldn't reach the enemies way out on the tops of hills or across mountain valleys. T DMR Rifle started to be used. They brought out old M14s and set them up as DMR to be able to hit the insurgents who were way out there. Good idea.
Just got a PSA M110 Sabre last week and I'm zero'n it today. Off topic I just heard about MPVO's. Maybe a video on this on a DMR? Some of us peasants just got into LVPO's and now these are popping up.
The only thing new about them is that they're trending. I like a few: Athlon Helos 2-12x42 Athlon Ares 2.5-15x50 Primary Arms GLx 3-18x44 There's plenty more similar, dozens of options etc. Those are just the ones I find most interesting for features to price point i.e. value
DMRs should be held, not dialed 99.999% of the time. This isn't long range bench rest, it's engaging more than 1(usually) targets at multiple unknown ranges and in varying conditions... to properly dial, you HAVE to return to zero after every single shot, then get a new firing solution for the next target, dial it, and send it. If you forget or otherwise fail to do so every single shot, you'll miss and/or get lost in your dial. If you only do holds, this is not an issue, and it's objectively faster, and oh btw, the reticle shows you your corrections directly....
The DMR is the natural evolution of the American Minuteman. An accurate rifle able to harvet game and foes alike. The only change is the early American probably had one good rifle. Nowadays the average owner has several.
I think it's wild that adjustable gas blocks are so uncommon on stock rifles. When I built my AR I didn't know much. I had a standard block, and when I say over gassed I mean the ejector was ripping the lip of the casing off and leaving the case chambered. It was trying to rip them out while still swollen in the chamber. Put on an adjustable, put my cheapest 223 in there. Tuned for that, went back up a tad for reliability and now it's the softest shooting AR in our group and putting more energy into the round.
@@Dougy_Fresh because people dont know what they dont know, also so few 'adjustable' blocks exist. Tunable blocks are a dime a dozen but usually lead to unhappy customers since they think they dont require any sort of maintainance.
Before watching I wall answer the question with the founding fathers in mind. I would rather engage at distance than doorstep. The 2nd wasn't solely meant for self preservation but for the preservation of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Now, on with the show.
My DMR is an AR-10 with a 20 inch heavy barrel. Got a poverty scope on it because I just can't justify Gucci Glass to myself. In my neck of the woods though, I'd be lucky to have a clear shot past 250 yards considering all the trees and hills. It's all gonna be up close and personal here, or shoot and scoot.
@@kyleross5541 Exactly, plus it helps to space my shot, say I miss my target I’m not gona keep shooting, ima just run away especially in a tyranny scenario 🏃
I built my precision rifle off that. Took an old Remington 700 long action in 30-06 and rebarreled it with an M40 contour 24" barrel. Dropped it in a KRG Bravo chassis and it shoots .33" at 100 yards with my handloads. 208gr Hornady ELDM going 2750 fps. All my buddies couldnt understand it until they shot it. Recoils like a stout 308 but ballistics are close to a 300 win mag.
Hey Mr. Garand, do you think you could do a thermal video of you using different weapons systems suppressed and un suppressed to show the signatures on the thermal spectrum. Or maybe with a SUAS platform to see what the enemy sees if you were engaging them. Love your work just an idea 👍
Or just add a segment of it on your next “how to survive” series. Maybe a going on the offensive, how to engage enemies if they are closing in on you. That you don’t stay in the same spot for more than a couple shots. And then tie in to what the enemy would be looking for.
I'm too poor to move into calibers outside of 5.56 and 9mm. I converted a triarc gun I had (before they went downhill) into an "SPR." That's as far as I'll go until I begin acquiring more fundage lol
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"Please don't shoot someone at 800 yards from your doorstep."
Get up on your roof, we all know law enforcemant cant handle slanted roofs!
Plus dmg buff if Korean.
cold
"unless they've shot at you first"
Lol, and they'd let a woukd be assassin get within 150yds and up on a roof to shoot at a target they hate... Thank God that not all easy shots are successful. 🇺🇲
@@BWite-pk1ovI’m Filipino can this dmg buff be used in sub classes?
*watches 10 seconds of the video*
Alright, you convinced me to buy a DMR
Same I needed zero convincing 😂
This is why I hate watching his stuff. He brings out the consOOmer in me and serious FOMO.
🤣🤣🤣
That you don’t have one already Son is disturbing 🤷🏼♂️
Build a DMR
Then you know how to replace broken parts
Kermit: You should build a normal duty AR.
Darth Kermit: Build another long range precision rifle.
Opposite for me.
Kermit: Build a SP Receiver
Darth Kermit: You need another "braced pistol"
@@kerbalairforce8802 "Braced Pistol" 11.5 for home duty along side a P/W 14.5 ML with a very compact Buffer tube and buffer setup.
Why not have both? As for home defense, a 10.5” AR-15 pistol (suppressed) and subsonic ammo works nicely.
@@E52O4that's the joke
Compromise: 16" 308 AR10
Carried a DMR in Iraq. Put a good forward grip with drop down bipods and a collapsible stock and its a very effective battlefield multiplier in any situation.
Do you think their use will be affected by the adoption of the XM7?
@@bernitiel As rifles and the attached optics become more accurate, carrying lots of ammo becomes less of a priority. If you need less ammo, you can then opt for a better round with more penetration and the ability to help the target realize they need to lay down and stop moving faster.
Any specific bipod?
Only reason for a stock to move 3 inches or less is to fit different arm lengths. It doesn't make it a pistol.
@jimbar28 a collapsible stock is for operating in an urban environment or airborne operations. Majority of the time, a DM is a regular rifleman, running the same lanes as other guys on the line. We aren't full on snipers, DM is a fire team or squad assignment.
Short answer: Yeah
Long answer: hell yeah
beat me to it.
Lmao I write this and then I see you posted it first as I just look down
lol I was getting ready to say almost the same thing! Good thing I checked the comments.
Short answer: no money
Long answer: hella no money.
It's my ARMA 3 go to. I live in Canada therefore I have to live vicariously through video games to get my shooties.
"1,300 yards away doesn't count as self-defense"
If they are shooting at you from 1,300 yards away, it should.
Then the problem becomes: how do you prove its self defence?
@@koimananana The enemy corpse will still have their rifle on them
It does, they still have their rifle on their dead body facing your direction with spent brass next to it
Practically, you’re still more likely to survive running to cover and escaping than trying to engage them that far.
-Find them (they already found you)
-Get your firing solution (or immediately engage with swag at best, which frankly isn’t a terrible option)
-get effective fires on target (hopefully before they do)
Not saying you shouldn’t engage in LR training, as a discipline, or consider it a potential capability, I think it’s incredibly valuable for that assuming you’re on a moral walk.
Just that for self defense (rol or wrol frankly) and an extreme range scenario, you’re probably best getting out of there and being a bad target than lying still, getting stable, and returning fire on someone that’s already stable and oriented on you or those you love.
Granted, if wrol or no practical way to get help, you can always maneuver and re-engage after BC is successful, if there is an active threat in the area to you and yours that’s already demonstrated a lack of care for human life, now that LR and field craft skill set might be valuable, but staying alive is job 1
@@douglasmilburn3875 $400 battle rifle is for "rol self defense" Long range precision builds are for what's coming down the pipe. When it gets here, CQB is to avoided like the plague, because no matter how good you are at it, it will get you smoked. Best case scenario you take a few with you. Engagements, if possible, should be limited to greater than 300 yrds. Those we are likely to face suck at shooting and combat in general. They suck wayyyyy more at it the farther away you are.
Just had my first child about 6 hours ago. Can’t wait for my son to watch Garand Thumb with me 👍🏻 what a good Sunday.
Congrats bud.
Let’s goooo bro! My 6 year old is killing empty beer cans with his Red Ryder and I already have a Savage Rascal waiting in the safe. This fall he’s starting with the Rascal… Dirt biking and shooting with my son is the coolest thing I’ve ever did, you’ll love it.
Congrats brother
Chad father in the making.
Congrats on the baby boy!
GT is by far my favorite firearm channel on RUclips. Educational value, non bias reviews, real world scenarios. The list could go on forever. I'm a veteran and understand a vast majority of the upfront terms and practices. The way things are articulated in explained throughout videos is amazing. You aren't beating a dead horse with mil terms, at the same time you relate to those with little to no experience and provide valuable lessons. Range etiquette and safety is exemplary while still having fun. You guys more than deserve the success you've had so far and I wish you much more!
GT is fun to watch just as many GunTubers are but let’s be real about the fact that majority of them are paid schills and rather it’s for a firearm, a insurance company or a shitty online school that teaches you nothing, they all have their bad moments. Nobody should make a decision based on what someone said on RUclips. No matter who it is.
I like it for the detail, lots of folks have no attention span, I'm not one of them.
I love that his camo matches terrain no matter how little the difference. This guy teaches without even opening his mouth, sort of Chuck Norris like.
Damn right…I’m a crye snob and larp around here crying all the way…need that jpc with onward placard
what are you talking about? xD
RIP Paul Harrell
indeed
RIP dude I never watched. GIMME INTERNET POINTS
Really stretching that one out for likes ain't ya
I was gonna make a similar comment.
@@alex6688 i have been watching paul harrells vids for 7 or 8 year now
It’s crazy how gt manages to consistently put out super well researched skills vids, reviews, and keeps the production quality high. The editing is great, videos are always relevant and ok cutting edge topics, and the extra 110% effort comes through.
Ya it’s his job he a a no joke crew. He’s payed by leviathan! U think he’s a regular dude talking guns on authentic good ol utube? No bud you’re watching a heavily produced commercial. And they’re trying to sell u … -and you’re buying it!! Wow
So why are you here?@@jefferyboring4410
@jefferyboring4410 he's not with leviathan anymore... hasn't been for about a month or so
@@jefferyboring4410Your post has already bored me.
I had some expendable money in my account and wanted a 308. I picked up an aero AR10 build kit in the rattlesnake for a lot more than I should have but it had a magpul stock in the same scheme. Store called me back a few weeks later and said "Hey, we have an AR15 build kit in the same camo and a magpul precision stock too" I had to get the set.
I absolutely love that thing. Both have a Giselle SSAE and 18" barrels. The 308 is absolutely nasty, I'm getting under 1 inch groups at 300 yards with a 6-24 vortex something and I have a lot to learn with better trigger control. Farthest I shot was a 20 round group at about 600 yards and I pulled a few but overall every round was on the paper. Plan is to get a can for it soon but given my main sewer just failed it's going to be much later than I want.
Wait till Friday afternoon and fix it yourself. Code enforcement will never know what hit them. That's what I did new line from the house to the sewer main for $700 and that included the rent for the weekend for a mini excavator
I went from PSA receiver group to Aero and that alone vaatly tightened my groups.
Can the .308 actually dig a sewer pipeline for you? Asking for a friend….
I once went hog hunting with a couple of buddies and borrowed a setup similar to Micah’s (Less the Red Dot). I took a free standing shot on a hog at about 300 yards and it dropped on impact. What I didn’t know is there was a 225 lb hog laying in the brush about 15 feet away from me. Immediately after taking the first shot, it jumped up and charged me. Not having the red dot or training to use an 8x24 scope at 10/15 ft and closing, I rotated the rifle a few degrees and tried using the bare body as a form of iron sights. We never could tell if I hit it but I did scare it enough to stop charging and B-Line another direction. I was able to drop it shortly after, once it was far enough away for me to use the sight effectively, but I swore on that day when I built my DMR I would be adding a canted/top mount red dot for these situations, and until then, carrying my handgun.
Edit for clarification: The 8x24 was built for the range, I just didn’t have anything of my own at the time. I look forward to going back with a proper setup though. I shoot 556 with an LVPO OR red dot but will build my 308 with a secondary because I prefer not having to take my hand off the rifle.
The handgun should always be apart of any kit regardless of the weapon you have with you. You never know what will happen to your primary whether it be, as you mentioned, not being quite trained on it or if it/the sight breaks in some way.
I use to think like that. I had an old romy ak. Bud came over never shot one. Think he was scared of recoil? He was odd. Anyway I had some steel 80 yds away big turkeys etc. he just turned around and hip fired it. Slapped down like 4 in a row singles! He handed it back and said nice. I didn’t say a word but I started hip firing a little as practice. It’s actually fairly easy just watch and point u can hit way better than expected. I’d never shot without sight but that taught me. We see punks with no sights on the ar pistols a lot. It’s stupid and crazy but u can make hits
@@jefferyboring4410 US police and soldiers used to point shoot from the hip as their main stance for a long time until we realized the shortcomings and that it was faster to just get better with a full draw with both hands
LPVO with a true 1x, Absolute Co-Witness. That solves your problem right there. And the Co-Witness is just for redundancy, not necessary if you have an etched reticle not reliant on batteries. I use a Mark 6, but my eyesight is good enough that 6x is more than enough magnification for me to shoot the maximum effective range for game, but you can go as high as a 1-10 with a Razor 3 and still have true 1x... it's unnecessary overkill to have an 8-24. That level of magnification is only necessary when hunting "the most dangerous game," but not conducive to ethical shots on regular game, because it's pushing you past 1k yards where a light breeze can change a perfect shot into inhumane cruelty.
8x24 for hunting is not a good option indeed. I would recommend 3x9 or 4x12 it's not too much magnification in close and it will get you out as far as anyone should be shooting ethically.
I’m 33, when I was six my dad started teaching me about firearms. The first gun he let me shoot was a 22mag/410 over under. He gradually moved the targets out further and further. That was the birth, of my love for long range, precision shooting. That’s why I own DMRs. Wish I wasn’t a broke ass so I could get my hands on one of them fancy ModKs. SR 25, to be specific.
I had an over under 22 mag 20 gauge. It was awesome. Some bastage stole it out of my pickup when I was in high school during a game. You know, back when we had gun racks in the back window.
Your dad was alllllright👍
Just get an ar10 with a nice barrel and gas system. Save you money to put towards a good optic.
Knights armament guns are not worth the money. Buying shit that’s “mil-spec” just means they marked it up to whatever the government was willing to pay for it. It’s never good value
@@aarons5315 this is what I did, 16in LMT with a surefire can m110k2 we have at home
I think DMRs offer a solid balance between precision and versatility, especially for those who want to stretch out their shooting distances without stepping into full sniper territory.
Exactly sir 👆🏾🤌🏾👏🏾👍🏾
Just remember rooms got cleared with m1 garands and lee enfields in ww2 lol
@@brandonboyd2500 yeh, but everyone else had shitty rifles back then too
@@brandonboyd2500MP40, Sten, M3, Thompson and especially handgrenades would like to have a word with you.
@@brandonboyd2500good luck with that in the modern War Era
The original concept was HARM (High Accuracy Rifleman) which became the Squad Designated Marksman. In Iraq, they were getting a high % of kills.
Part of the key is sophisticated ranges and qualification scoring criteria.
During Korea, the Navy kill ratio was 12-to-1. We shot down 12 of their jets for every one of ours. During Vietnam, that ratio fell to 3-to-1. Our pilots had become too dependent on missiles. They had lost some of their dogfighting skills.
@@biznatcho7 what lol
i know this to be true, but how tf is it relevant?
and also i just want to mention that nowadays with our missiles having advanced a lot, it kind of is ok to be dependant on missiles
@@Childburner1ha, fair. This should have been a reply to a different comment. It’s a quote from the original Top Gun.
I’m a big fan of the DMR. They can also act as battle rifles, are cheaper than more precise rifles, and let’s face it even with a $20K rifle/scope most of us can’t afford or don’t have the range to train at 1000+ yards. A reliable hit at 600 is about as good as most of us are realistically going to be able to shoot.
In a Red Dawn situation only a few of us are hitting at a mile but being more accurate against a turret gunner behind a shield or take out a radio operator to initiate an ambush is the point of the DMR.
Exactly. 600 yards is the farthest I've ever gotten to shoot, and it was 1 day in my life so far lol. Normally, 300 yards is the longest I can access. My 556 can do 300 all day long, as can my 308 of course. At 600 yards, my AR10 was ringing a 12 inch steel gong about 75-80% of the time, using wolf steel cased 150 grain 308.
I also can rock that AR10 up close if need be. It's not as built for that vs my AR-15, but I'll take a bit less rapid rate of fire if it means hitting with 3-0-hate
@ damn straight. I always laugh when some dude with a 100 yard range dumps $2k into a Vortex on a .338 and thinks he is a sniper.
@@robertfota4109have you ever tried Federal SMK 175s? I've gotten down to 1/3 moa with them at 300 yd (farthest distance I can shoot due to terrain limitations), basicly a golf ball size group. There's a 1 mile+ range near Little Rock, not far, but costs more money than I have to be a member.
@@nemoexnuqual3643putting rounds down range is the easiest part of sniping. 😂
@ 😂 I suppose it is.
But never having the place to shoot past 300 yards or having aging eyes that can hardly see 300 makes the “easiest part” impossible while lying still and crapping yourself for days gets as natural as breathing
As always he's right. I was a lonely man, since I bought my DMR I feel much better. I went with a sig AR-10 with a 1-10 sig scope. I no longer feel lonely. Thanks Garand Thum!
I just got one of those, too! Sleep much better at night now. 👍
I would like to know more about this wonderful product, do you have any recommendations?
As someone who's not an American can you enlighten me on how guns make you feel better? I'm not American enough to understand this logic.
@@mike7652 Sig Tread 716...glass of your choosing. Embrace the 3 oh hate.
The AR-10 seems like the go to DMR for anyone that wants one in the States with parts that can be easily sourced.
DMR is flexibility. Single best citizen rifle for preventing Death Camps.
2x agreed!
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I'm local to west coast and the diverse terrain from west to east of Leavenworth makes this video very relevant thanks gents!
I bought a SCAR20 literally because it was the autosniper. Glad to see men of culture such as yourselves appreciate this
And the better part is that in real life, the SCAR H PR is offered with semi-full auto capabilities.
Kinda disappointed he didn’t group or even give his take on the rifle besides it being the auto sniper.
The scar is too good bro, I feel like I’m cheating with how accurate it is
@@Turn2Ugin I enjoy my 20s as well but it’s nice to get opinions from individuals who have multiple semi auto .308s and actually shoots them to see how it compares in the end.
I was looking forward to seeing it in this video too but they didnt use it
Veteran here too and a firm believer in the ability to own anything I want.
Do people count?
Whats the diff between a DMR rifle and a tank?
Kids...the person that uses a tank has +12 kids XP
DMR has cured E.D. Heard this on the range, and so I bought it and took it home. Lets just say the misses was very happy. AK neighbor still messing with chinese rhino horns
Dude the rhino horns work okay stop
Hahahaha
The amount of work you guys put into these videos is amazing! Every gun, all broken down to a science. Leaving as little human error as possible. Thousands of rounds with as best formed opinions as possible. Fucking love you guys!
That's a brave animal walking back there around the 33:00 mark with all of those rifles hanging out.
Winter's worth of meat just walked away...
i came here to find someone else that saw that, wild to see Ammon is in your name aswell
I have yet to find a range where shooting animals isnt against the rules. My local range constantly has deer on it, because theyve been conditioned to it being a safe place for them. You cant hunt on the flat range.
cow
I think it's a cow mate, not positive though full stop
Literally asked myself this today and then I came across this video. It’s a sign that yes, I should get one.
Deadair hurting so bad after the Sierra 5 that they have to use flannel daddy for advertising
C’mon man! I haven’t seen him in flannel for a while 😉
Glad I didn’t get that one. I did the Sandman, but so far it’s been great.
A buddy of mine said there outsourcing there silencers now and that's why the quality isn't there. Have anyone of you guys hears about this?
I love my sandman-s. But that's the only one I'll own.
It's not entirely defensible, but somewhat in their defense, those Sierra 5s were subbed out to another reputable OEM who made the defective cans. They certainly should have caught the issue sooner and handled the defective units better though.
I love my Nomad 30 and still want a Sierra 5 though.
I always wanted to do a father and son project (DMR) my dad passed away almost 4 years ago and I decided to go ahead and order some parts and then had a gunsmith put it all together and surprisingly it came out awesome
Having few family members with DMRs and patrol drone network system is in my humble opinion the best way to protect large private properties from unwanted groups of people
Covers lotta ground with accurate fire and allows positive ID of targets or friendlies. Less patrolling by foot or wheels, more recharging air vehicles.
What drone should I get?
@@bensears7499 I’ve had great success with my DJI mini 3 with the extended battery. Pushed it out to about 4 miles with about 40 minutes of battery
Not electing communists also protects from unwanted groups of people, among other things.
@@Kriss_Lright 😂 we gotta oust the Marxists #1 issue for sure
I've always assumed that as a Civilian having a DMR that can reach out further than a standard service carbine is a kinda must. There isn't enough of me to make anything else useful
Agreed. Unfortunately, I am disabled now with two kids. I don't have a lot of spare cash nowadays. I do have several hunting rifles that will outrange intermediate rounds.
But yeah, I would definitely rather start taking them out before they can touch me. Being one guy is a bad thing in a firefight.
@@letsdothis9063same with me. I have plenty of hunting rifles in 250 savage, .270, 25-06, 6.5 cm, .338 wm .22-250, but nothing in .308 or semi auto. Got ar15’s but nothing bigger.
@@letsdothis9063 I would hateeee to take a hunting round anywhere on the body. Insta fucked
@bracoop2 77 grain in 5.56 is close to 7.62 from what I have read.
I have a 18" 5.56 building for a dmr.
@@joshuamontgomery4992🤔
Sniper rifle is defined by first round impact accuracy.
DMR is about maximum effective range for a supporting role.
SPR is a normally adding effective range to a intermediate or common caliber in a unit.
The minutia is dictated by these requirements.
Initially were given 20 inch rifles and trained to shoot further with them. During the training, we had a few people with typical 14.5 inch rifles going the same distance. They wouldn't let us shoot past 700 without using more appropriate rifles/ sniper rifles. We trained a few times with snipers from the UK as we were in the same country at the time. It inspired my 18 inch build, although I also have a 308, and 6.5 to better extend the distance. Good video
I was in the army in the late 80's early 90's. All we had were 20" M16's with irons for literally everything.. No lights, no lasers, no scopes. The only other weapon we had was the M60 which was my baby.
That “Yea, don’t get shot by .308” with a grin had me laughing! 😆
100%, definitely not the biggest or most powerful round but .308 still doesnt fuck around
I designate myself a marksman. I have a rifle. I have a DMR. It is 2024 - self identification is everything.
Don't let anyone else define your identity.
I identify you as a chad.
first sentence is so hilarious im dead
Its 2024. Regurgitating propaganda is everything.
Single digit SDs for factory loads is pretty impressive.
Well he also shot four rounds. It would open up with more data.
I’ve been getting an SD of 7 from both FGMM 168 and 175 in my 308’s for years. Great ammo for those of us that don’t have the time to reload.
@@Paintballguru92 actually, it wouldn't.
Flip a coin, twice. Tails. Tails. Do it 98 more times and you'll get closer to 50/50. The larger the sample size the lower the variance because the outliers are minimized.
@@charliestoybox2099 the FGMM 168s out of my 26” LH RD 1 in 10 bbl had a SD of 4fps after 10 rounds down the Leupold tunnel. Crazy good factory ammo. It’s always been the 308 benchmark ammo in that tunnel for all of us there.
@@davida375AI that’s just awesome. I don’t have the time to reload these days so I’m grateful for factory ammo like this. I’ll need to try those 168’s out of my EBR. The 175’s are too heavy for the barrel twist.
Another bloody ripper video from GT, what can I say......educational, informative and with GT's legendary swagger....Cheers from the land down under.
“Do civilians need…” YES. Whatever the second part of that question is, the answer is yes.
Edit: “Do civilians need (insert weapon/arms/armament here)…” YES.
Military calls them DMRs, civilians just call it my hunting rifle
... To be held accountable and placed under heavy firearms restrictions?
😂😂😂 Sorry, had to 😂😂😂
@@theidahorifleman get out of here traitor
lmao
...nuclear weapons
I had a tuna melt for lunch while watching this, home made. Canned tuna from Costco, mix it with mayo, diced celery, garlic powder, salt, and some limes(lemons work better but I had some limes on hand to use up). Grilled on some sourdough bread and medium cheddar on both sides.
This video though was long enough for me to watch it for a second meal, so for dinner I had Indomie noodles with rotisserie chicken and eggs.
😂
Tuna smells like cat food to me....can't do it.
cat food smells like tuna to me. I cant help myself 🤤
Weird Costco marketing plug but glad you had a nice meal.
Tony’s, mayo, sweet pickle relish, touch of mustard, maybe some boiled eggs for me.
Mike. I just came out of surgery. I’m high as giraffe cooter. Also. Tell Charles i said mom said he’s late for dinner .
I been there brother. Enjoy the time slow. 😂
When I had cancer my family thought I was weird af for getting excited before every surgery I had. (I had 6 total in 3 years). I told them I'm about to legally and professionally get so high I literally lose consciousness, you bet your ass I'm gonna make the most out of this! 😄
Also shout out to the dentist that did my wisdom teeth, once he cranked on the nitrous he gave me a Walkman with Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here album to listen to. 😁
@@RT-qd8ylDood, your dentist rocks!
@@rogerj.fugere3570 He's a real one for sure. Had a whole CD booklet full of music specifically for that purpose and he had everything PF had ever released in there.
Hope your recovery goes well, and you return to 100%
Really enjoyed this video. I’d like to see a follow up in the future along the lines of marksman fundamentals? Going more in depth into the use of optics, ammo choice, ect. Would be cool to see you as a vet incorporating military fundamentals into civilian usage and finding a happy medium of skill and practicality
In the British army we have the L129A1 Sharpshooter Rifle, which is probably a knock off of an American system knowing us.. And back in Afghanistan when we were having engagements from 300 meters to 800 meters this rifle was invaluable.. We were getting hit by a single PKM position to our front and a Soviet era Underslung Grenade Launcher from our half right, but the PKM thought he was safe, our GPMG rounds were bouncing off his BUND line and he would simply wait for it to stop and engage us again.. But we noticed that he had a young dude on a moped going to his position then leaving again before re-engaging us, and we noticed in our optics he was going with a towel sized rag with PKM link wrapped in it, wrapped around his body and leaving without it, and by British LOE we could engage him too as he was supplying the gunner with link.. Step forward the casual hero, or me with my L129A1 and the next time we saw that kid deliver link and leave without it, at 500 meters, moving target, on a moped, moving at speed from right to left, I lead him and it took 6 shots, but the 6th saw the young talib pitch forward holding his stomach, fall off his moped, roll onto his feet and start running, before reaching the wall, stopping, sliding down it and expiring.. And guess what, Mr PKM ran out of ammo and had to pop smoke and bug out.. Couldn't have done it without the DMR gents.. Invaluable indeed.
L129A1 is indeed American, made by LMT. A .308 version of it first appears around 7:00.
Hellouva story, always wondered how well those LMT’s worked across the pond. Good work out there, loved working with the Royal Marines when was at Pendleton. Semper Fi!
@swingnamiss8130 Yeah mate, they're good blokes, all marines are I think.. I met a few ex USMC guys when I was in Ukraine from January to July 2023, one guy, Callsign "Swampy" especially stood out, he's lost one eye in action over there, but hasn't let it stop him, he's still over there dropping cuɲts.
Dead air doing so bad they buying ads 😂🤣😭
Why is Dead air disliked if you don’t mind me asking .
@@Smilingtiger13because of massive qc failures as of late, especially the last few years.
@@Woodland_Warriorthat’s a bit exaggerated. They had issues with the Sierra can. They also fixed that problem.
Every company in the world pays for ads lmao that’s how it works
@@quiksilv81it’s not exaggerated. They’re still having problems with a wide variety of their cans. And the way the handled the situation was complete bullshit. Fuck dead air.
My girlfriend and I built one as a date night. She loves it. Not gas piston, sadly, but it reaches out nicely.
Did you lubricate your operating rod liberally before inserting it in her buffer tube?
gas piston heavier and more recoil, DI better for more accurate shots tbh. SR-25 like
Omg I've been suffering from male loneliness for so long!!!Thank you so much for sharing the cure! God Bless You Garand Thumb!!
Church at 9, nap at 10, flannel daddy at 11, and football at 12. I love Sundays
I'm on the West Coast and Church is 930 Football at 10 and Garand Thumb uploaded at 9 I'm gonna be brainrot consuming media after church lol
Church....pfft
@@XuroX.Christ is King
Football is gay
@@XuroX. I’ll pray for you
Nothing like a new Garand Thumb after a good range day where I upgraded from compact to full size 9mm and seeing this video is just a reminder that I need a rifle.
Upgraded? They both have different usage cases honestly
@@XuroX. He is in the beginning stages. Every new gun is an upgrade or insert any other necessary excuse to go deeper.
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Love the dad advice. First time dad here. My two month old daughter watches Garandthumb with me 🤙
Had a POF .308, sold it to get the Daniel Defense DD5V4. So glad I did because it’s much more accurate and better balanced. Looks sic, too.
Any suggestions on what parts of the POF should be considered for upgrade?
@@Physicalachievement The usual stuff: butt stock, grip, charging handle and trigger if it came with their standard one.
Pof is known for 2 moa or worse. Idk why their barrels do that.
Pr was it pws? I always confuse the 2 together
@@jason200912 I don’t know either, but might have something to do with their gas piston system. The best 5-shot group I could get at 100y was 1.5” with premium match ammo. The DD easily gets .75” at 100y, 1.5” at 200y.
You’d have to pay me to buy a dead air can at this point.
Glad I got my RC2. I will stick with surefire for my rifle and AE for SPR.
Yeah they’re trying hard to build their rep back up
Hopefully they have or are working their QC issues out
Frankly some unacceptable cans have gotten into consumer hands
Why do we hate deadair?
@@esTaleCSGOyou gotta try the flow 556k sounds way better than the rc2 and less gas
@@Ketchupbelongsonsteakyeah I’m with you, I want to know too lol.
"You'll have a heavy rifle. Work out more..." Classic truth.
Nope’ Build lighter and let the knuckle draggers have the heavy pigs.
Ya no joke ! Light guns save life’s !
Grow Stronger
Mine is 14.5 lbs 😂
The more you train with it and carry it the lighter it becomes.
Practice, Practice, Practice... 1000+ is no joke. If you plan to shoot that far, you'd better play. ALOT.
In 2002 I built an FAL rifle, back when 200 round battlepacks of 7.62 NATO were $18 and mags GI mags were $6/ea. It was during the assault weapon ban, so ARs were still super rare. That FAL was my rifle to rule the world… right up until I had to carry it, shoot it offhand, or carry ammo for it, or pick it up after firing a few mags and brand my skin. I’m a big dude, but a big 7.62 NATO is a lot to hump around. Outside of having a prepared position and a defined field of fire, I don’t really want one. BTW, the FAL has an adjustable gas system just like the whiz-bang DMRs shown in the video.
Should civilians have *insert weapon*?
Yes.
“Amen” to that.
Civil war field artillery 9-lb black powder cannons???! …….
Yes.
I got your insert weapon.
I see a difference between should they and can they.
But yeah.
That's the point right?
You don't get to decide, and neither do I!
@ shut up fed
“Here on geranthum” - garand thumb
historically accurate
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Are we really talking about 2k+ rifles? I seriously think people have gotten out of touch with reality. TRUST me, I understand quality, I understand spending more to get better, but with everything in life there is indeed a ceiling effect. Spent more than 2k on my first AR-15 and regret it. More than 2k on a long distance rifle, is insane to Normal folks. Who needs (1-2) quarter size groupings when you just need to hit a “body figured” target (hypothetical) at 500-1K yards? (These are real questions, i am inviting enthusiasts for open friendly discussion : )
I’d love to see grand thumb incorporate a specific rifle each video if he is testing a set of rifles/weapon that is the option for the “common man”. I think he does, but it’d be a dope concept every video to see which one he chooses. Just an idea! GREAT VIDEO DUDE!!!
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No one is forcing you to buy the best of the best, the firearm industry is insanely competitive. You could buy PSA or Aero parts on sale then slap a nice barrel on it with a viper gen2 or Athlon scope and have a very capable set up for a fraction of the price. As far as accuracy, no you don’t need to shoot 1/2 moa to hit a human sized target but speaking from experience once you get out past 500 yards you want to eliminate as many variables as possible to make it easier. I’m not trying to attack you but I hear a lot of people complain about prices yet they have 20 $600 guns sitting in their safe, I prefer quality over quantity.
I peak at Daniel Defense, the diminishing returns shows itself around $2k which is also good, I'd bet my life on diminishing returns value, especially from reputable manufacturers
PSA has quality DMRs at the 1500 dollar range.
Military Arms Channel had a good point about using a .308 as your do-all rifle. The ammo is just as common as 5.56. It offers more power, more terminal effectiveness and now with the increased popularity of suppressors, an option for indoors use. The shorter barrels on M4s got popular but the army and marine corps were kicking doors with 20" M16s in Iraq.
So, do you need a DMR? Maybe not, but it's entirely possible to have a .308 gun that can do it all.
I bought mine not cause I think I'd need it. Got it cause I might need it. Better to have and not need... I hope at least.
Had a 6.5cm. didn't like it as much as the .308 I still have.
Bringing up what happened in Iraq did the opposite of what you wanted. That catastrophe is why they moved to shorter barrels.
Also using a suppressor does not make 308 a good indoor option. A dmr is not a good indoor gun. It’s awful at it. The point is that one man in a squad can achieve greater range.
@@josh2711 The US Army seemingly disagrees with you. The M16A2/A4 was 39" long. The new XM7 is 36" with it's suppressor attached.
And the suppressors are standard issue and are intended to be used all the time, because of the powerful round the new rifle uses.
A DMR isn't a good indoor gun, but I didn't say it was. I just said something in .308. And the video just lays out that guy's opinion on the matter. If you like shorty boi 5.56 guns, keep using those. This is still America.
@@rockymountainhomestead I've been looking at one of those pretty seriously. I like the Robinson Arms XCR-M more, but the Ruger is a nice gun and is like $1000 cheaper.
It would be really cool to see a collaboration of some kind with 9 Hole Reviews on these subjects. Mr Henry is an absolutely legendary shooter, and seeing him give some tips to you guys would be awesome. Or just sending a few of your setups out to them and seeing what's possible on the speedway course
I have to dance with the one I currently have and that is the M14, but it's not your typical M14. My go-to has a suppressed Socom length 16.25" barrel with a full length monolithic rail, and the chassis stock I use gives me the ability to swap out complete suppressible 'uppers' with an 18" or 22" barreled action. Trees and rolling terrain limit my maximum range to about 400 yards around here, so the 16.25" is my go-to multi-purpose rifle and I think it compares favorably with the LMT DMR that you demonstrated. I use 20 round box magazines and compact 50 round drum magazines to feed my rifle an assortment of ammunition.
RIP Paul Harrell and Mike Peterson
@@kevinyoungM14EBR I fall into that category… hills all wooded.. if I am able to get over 100 yards view I’m lucky. But bought the M1A socom 16 and added the primary arms lpvo 1x8 scope. Love it!
Running a full length M14 with a 2.5-20x50 FFP. Thing straight fucks
As I live around 10km from the Russian border, the first gun I picked up (after my first pistol the ol' reliable Glock), was a DMR. Simply put, excellent at long distance engagements, which if shit hits the fan is where you'd preferably like to be at. Also usable at medium to short distances. Now rounding out my gun arsenal with a bolt action and an AR style rifle. But to have a good middle ground, going for a DMR is perfect, because if shit hits the fan, no one is gonna give you 1-2 months to wait for your gun to arrive to you, what you have is what you have.
Also shit hitting the fan is why I had to go with the .308, purely due to it being NATO standard issue, so if you live long enough and you're running out of ammo, there is a miniscule chance of getting more.
You live in Arizona?
@@jeffforbess6802 Is Arizona 10km from the Russian border?
No, I'm from Europe, Latvia.
Dead air sponsorship but aren’t even using DA cans lmao
I’m not super knowledgeable about dead air cans so I can’t speak on them. That being said, in a LOT of videos, Flannel Daddy never uses AAC ammo. Even on videos involving different types of 9mm and 556 there’s never a drop of AAC
And SDI sucks ass too they just seperate you from your money
@@grand_nic7686 lmao what? They’re the ammo sponsors for the channel. AAC ammo is a palmetto state armory subsidiary not the same as AAC silencers
@@Jtmorrison2000 I should have made that clear, I meant using the ammo not the suppressor. Sponsorship from dead air? They don’t use dead air suppressor. Sponsorship from AAC? They don’t use aac ammo much at all
@@grand_nic7686 they still use a lot unless AAC doesn’t produce that caliber or specific round they’re looking for. We haven’t really had a 9mm review for a while. Most of what they use are the 308 and 77gr Sierra otm in 556
Hey, I know I'm late to the party, but for the H&K, try loading 6 rounds and shoot 5. In my limited experience shooting gas guns in PRS type matches, the follower in the magazine can affect how the last round is loaded, damaging the bullet when it is being fed. Also, with H&K having their proprietary mags, it could explain why only that gun experienced it. Food for thought, but I bet the gun is already back at H&K
Good to know thanks for the info !
When I was making my builds, the 6.5 Creedmoor was just coming out, so I went with the 260 Remington, which was used in most sniper competition at the time. I actually think it is better that the 6.5 Creedmoor, but I have to roll my own, but all good snipers do that anyway. Great video guys.
@@John_439 I hand roll my 308 dmr loads. 165 sierra match king bthp with 40.0 gr of Ac2460 or ramshot tac. My 30hate holes touch each other at 100yrds ;) out of my lowly DB10.
JAKL 308/6.5 will be my DMR of choice when it comes out, side charging, folding stock, adjustable gas block, piston driven, and probably gonna go for half the price of most of these on the table
And here he goes again with the incredibly well timed videos.
I just finished a precision oriented 308 build, based around a Noveske barrel I got for a steal.
Since we can't easily obtain automatics and the thousands of rounds needed to feed them, yes a DMR is needed. Honestly, if you aren't urban then a DMR or SPR should be your first tactical rifle with some exceptions. I'd argue it's more worthwhile than a home defense rifle if you already have a handgun. Suppressive fire and distance are the best bets in the boonies, and suppressive fire is unfortunately off the table to the masses
Also not to mention a DMR is literally just a good hunting rifle being rebranded as tacticool. Folks were using ar10s for hunting long before the military went DMR crazy in Iraq.
You should do a video explaining how to measure distance with your reticle, converting mils/mrad to moa and all that fun jazz.
1 MRAD is 1 meter at 1000m. 1 MRAD is 1cm at 100m.
My DMR is a Savage 30-06. with a 3-9x40 optic setup. 8lbs 4+1, it is perfect for what I would use a DMR for.
Not bad
What optic?
Recently bought a Primary Arms 4-16 scope for my DMR build on sale. its an SLX series, but it feels like a solid scope. Great video and Primary Arms is AWESOME!
Worth the cost? I went with a $150 1-6 LVPO on my 308 AK (saiga), since you know, it's an AK and apparently they can't go past 300 yards. I considered the conversion as I've done it before, but I like the factory feel with the standard stock as exported (before the pesky 2014 import ban).
I like how the thumbnail says “do civilians need DMR’s” but the same thumbnail has a rifle setup that costs more than most used cars on the road right now. Don’t even get me started on the H&K417 either.
What price do you put on your life? Spend less on your car and more on your self defense kit
@@cjones070just put it all on “credit”. None of it will matter soon.
Good point, but as he said, only one person in the squad needs one.
Also I’d say anyone serious about shooting should at least have one very high quality piece of glass.
I will confidently say, I would gladly have one of these rifles over a used car. I can fix my even older cars lol 😂
@cjones070 By chance, does the person who told you to believe that happen to sell anything or have any sponsors? It is absolutely bonkers crazy out of touch to say the average civilian needs an 8K+ rifle when a $1,500-$2,000 will do 95% the same as the others, for the average civilian. Telling someone to spend less on their day-to-day transportation used to get to and from work, to make money, potentially to the point of owning a shitbox depending on your income so that way you can spend more on overpriced rifles for the end of days that may never come is horrifically irresponsible advice. This is just a parody of consoooomerism at this point.
I appreciate the totally based Jogger clips, the subtle hints they drop to let us know they are on our side.
I owned a CMMG endeavor mk3 for a while and it was absolutely badass af! Just seeing it made me giggle with happiness! I recommend it highly!
Finally GT features an XCR-M. It really does lend itself to being kitted out as a DMR more than a MBR given the weight, but if you run it with just irons and a 16” barrel it will outperform the SCAR, FAL, G3, AR10, and M14.
Sponsored by Dead Baffle Suppressors
My first can was a Sandman S FDE “overrun.” Used 175gr FGMM and had a baffle strike within 100 rounds. It’s ass.
@@triphammer1203 you know that KGM made them, right? Thats like yelling at Chevy because they out a crappy transmission in the City Express.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballzthey’re shit bud. Guessing you have one
@@triphammer1203 im aware some Sierra 5s have defects, but you entirely missed the point like you weren't even trying.
Crapping on DEAD AIR for a suppressor made by KGM is being butthurt at the wrong person. Again, like my example of the City Express and Chevy.
@@chipsandcase-o5738I wanted one of those contract overrun cans but I lived in California at the time which meant I couldn’t buy one. I guess good thing I couldn’t get one.
That poor VW Touareg 😂 Great seeing a LaRue rig up on the channel!
Not sure what hurt more, seeing it get shot or them calling it a Tiguan.
@@anthonydietmeier6524Honestly I was about to say the same thing Touaregs don't get enough love. (Owning one has turned it into my favorite car) Though I was a little less heartbroken that that one is gas and not diesel. But VW really needs to bring the Touaregs back to the US, they're great
@Cman2ptO yeah my 2012 TDI has been great. Even better with a tune.
Glad I'm not the only person that paused and zoomed on the badge to make sure it wasn't like a V10 TDI.
I'm not sure the American market at large will ever be ready for an expensive VW suv. It's just a foreign concept to most. But they'll happily buy the same vehicle with an Audi or Porsche badge on it for big bucks.
Awesome. I only need $30-40k more for what I want right now. I have an LWRC REPR MKII. Love it.
I have an 18" barrel 7mm-08 ar10. Wouldn't want it as my daily driver, but if I was in open country, she's hard to beat with a 140 tsx load. Smidgen under 12 lbs field weight.
I’ve got Larue OBR 18”308 it’s impressive every time I’ve taken out !
I can only imagine. I have their predatAR, and it’s amazing.
I don't ever recall seeing you guys do this, but would love to see a video of Mike, Mica, Charlie, and whoever else do a competition where you see who can build from a stripped lower/upper the best AR on the cheapest budget.
This channel doesnt care about budget
If you haven't seen it yet Hop and James from TFB have a video doing that.
There are a lot of scenarios where the DMR would pass in court as self-defense. There could be an evil horde racing towards your house. You could have a lot of acreage and it’s like a mad Max scene.
Mike got those tree trunk forearms now.
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Raw milk and red meat
@@dandylion1987”raw milk” lol
@@antoniohagopian213 you don't need PEDs to develop thick forearms.
My dmr is a 20 inch 6mm arc that's sub moa and a tac driver out to 1100 yards. Topped off with a 3-18 nightforce atacr
I didn’t know there was a 3-18 ATACR.
@@thepracticalrifleman You're right it's 4-16.
There isn’t a 3-18 ATACR
@@thepracticalriflemanthere isn’t.
@@BB-mo9sf didn’t think so.
Somewhere in the louisiana back woods theres a 16 inch 12.7 mm "DMR" semi aughta gater getter
12,000 ft lbs of energy at a kilometer into a 20 foot reptile here since 1752
I constantly get reminded about my decision 5 years ago to drop 5.56 and go all in on a 7.62x51 chambered Armalite AR10a. It was the best idea to own a battle rifle
You own so many capabilities that 5.56 can not touch. Yes, 5.56 has low recoil. Just buy a badass muzzle brake, and .308 feels similar to a stock 5.56.
Just the barrier smashing capabilities are worth the extra weight in rifle and ammunition. You definitely feel confident using a battle rifle cartridge instead of an intermediate caliber varmit cartridge.
Long story, longer...
In my mind, a DMR would have a minimum of 20" barrel. A sick hi-tech muzzle brake. Legs that cantilever. Thermal Scope or a powerful Leopold Scope or a Night Vision Scope or All of the above. So you can use them all for different missions as needed. A DMR needs to be mobile. It's not a sniper rifle. But it can be used for sniping, indirect fire, and smashing fortified battlefield positions.
That was the problem we had in Afghanistan. We couldn't reach the enemies way out on the tops of hills or across mountain valleys. T
DMR Rifle started to be used. They brought out old M14s and set them up as DMR to be able to hit the insurgents who were way out there.
Good idea.
Civilians should have access to every weapon the military and LEO has.
Just got a PSA M110 Sabre last week and I'm zero'n it today.
Off topic I just heard about MPVO's. Maybe a video on this on a DMR? Some of us peasants just got into LVPO's and now these are popping up.
MPVOs have been around for decades, theyre not new.
The only thing new about them is that they're trending.
I like a few:
Athlon Helos 2-12x42
Athlon Ares 2.5-15x50
Primary Arms GLx 3-18x44
There's plenty more similar, dozens of options etc.
Those are just the ones I find most interesting for features to price point i.e. value
DMRs should be held, not dialed 99.999% of the time. This isn't long range bench rest, it's engaging more than 1(usually) targets at multiple unknown ranges and in varying conditions... to properly dial, you HAVE to return to zero after every single shot, then get a new firing solution for the next target, dial it, and send it. If you forget or otherwise fail to do so every single shot, you'll miss and/or get lost in your dial. If you only do holds, this is not an issue, and it's objectively faster, and oh btw, the reticle shows you your corrections directly....
Well said
The DMR is the natural evolution of the American Minuteman. An accurate rifle able to harvet game and foes alike. The only change is the early American probably had one good rifle. Nowadays the average owner has several.
I think it's wild that adjustable gas blocks are so uncommon on stock rifles.
When I built my AR I didn't know much. I had a standard block, and when I say over gassed I mean the ejector was ripping the lip of the casing off and leaving the case chambered. It was trying to rip them out while still swollen in the chamber.
Put on an adjustable, put my cheapest 223 in there. Tuned for that, went back up a tad for reliability and now it's the softest shooting AR in our group and putting more energy into the round.
it is another potential failure point, especially when rapidly heating up to higher and more extreme temps.
@@Dougy_Fresh because people dont know what they dont know, also so few 'adjustable' blocks exist. Tunable blocks are a dime a dozen but usually lead to unhappy customers since they think they dont require any sort of maintainance.
Before watching I wall answer the question with the founding fathers in mind. I would rather engage at distance than doorstep. The 2nd wasn't solely meant for self preservation but for the preservation of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Now, on with the show.
20" heavy barrel, 4 lbs 2 stage trigger, 6.5 and glass for overwatch
wow the accuracy of those rifles, especially with the quick follow up shots!
You’re gonna say that the LMT‘s barrel swap feature is faster than just putting another complete upper on the gun, come on MAN!
Its not faster but its a LOT cheaper to just buy another barrel, vs having a complete upper with optics.
And swapping the upper means you shouldn't have to rezero.
@@matthewminch5894i own a lmt and the biggest con of it is that switching barrels usually means switching optics or at least adjusting zero
My DMR is an AR-10 with a 20 inch heavy barrel. Got a poverty scope on it because I just can't justify Gucci Glass to myself. In my neck of the woods though, I'd be lucky to have a clear shot past 250 yards considering all the trees and hills. It's all gonna be up close and personal here, or shoot and scoot.
shoot loot then time to scoot
Whoa I’m early. My DMR would be a bolt action 24inch 30-06, cheap and reliable.
It worked so well for so long
@@kyleross5541 Exactly, plus it helps to space my shot, say I miss my target I’m not gona keep shooting, ima just run away especially in a tyranny scenario 🏃
That's the same thing I was thinking. Where are the bolt action rifles that do just as well as these 10 thousand dollar rifles?
I think DMRs are supposed to be semi auto though. The greatest sniper in American history used a 30-06 though.
I built my precision rifle off that. Took an old Remington 700 long action in 30-06 and rebarreled it with an M40 contour 24" barrel. Dropped it in a KRG Bravo chassis and it shoots .33" at 100 yards with my handloads. 208gr Hornady ELDM going 2750 fps. All my buddies couldnt understand it until they shot it. Recoils like a stout 308 but ballistics are close to a 300 win mag.
Hey Mr. Garand, do you think you could do a thermal video of you using different weapons systems suppressed and un suppressed to show the signatures on the thermal spectrum. Or maybe with a SUAS platform to see what the enemy sees if you were engaging them. Love your work just an idea 👍
Or just add a segment of it on your next “how to survive” series. Maybe a going on the offensive, how to engage enemies if they are closing in on you. That you don’t stay in the same spot for more than a couple shots. And then tie in to what the enemy would be looking for.
I'm too poor to move into calibers outside of 5.56 and 9mm. I converted a triarc gun I had (before they went downhill) into an "SPR." That's as far as I'll go until I begin acquiring more fundage lol
My SPR is a Mosin Nagant
Do like me, get a bolt gun in a caliber for longer range...
@@LarsLarsen77proper use of a good barreled mosin will qualify (in my opinion):)
@gregoryhoughtaling9879 You right, I should prolly explore the realm of bolt guns a bit more than I have (not at all tbf)
A Mossberg MVP in 308 takes AR-10 mags. I've suggested that a MVP in 5.56 with a 4x scope is a good option for a SHTF loaner rifle.
Get home from church and watch Garand thumb the Sunday routine
FN DMR 3 in 556 is what I picked up and I couldn't be any happier
I’m getting the civilian version of the m110 sniper rifle. It’s gonna be a sweet rifle