The Ultimate Guide to Acoustic Treatment for Churches | Primacoustic Panels
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
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0:00 Introduction
2:00 Measuring the Room
9:14 South Fellowship Church Case Study
17:15 The Install Process at Rock Harbor Church
36:59 The Results and Clap Test
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Great content in this video! Coming from a studio background though and building acoustic treatment for rooms (mine and others) or even looking at commercial options, we generally consider Primacoustics to be a rip off. That is shown right here. If I do the math correctly, with a box containing 6 2' panels that works out at $150 for a panel. You are better off going with a way better company like Music City Acoustics which charge $220 for a box of 3 2.5' panels working out to $73 per panel. Half the price, will do the same job. Same with GIK Acoustics. Two companies with way better value for money. They also have the same room calculator/planner tools free of charge. I understand that this is probably a sponsored video but this is just unnecessary on overpriced products.
Churches usually attempt to solve audio issues in the following order: 1) Equipment, 2) Training, 3) Acoustics. The best solutions need to reverse that order. (The main thesis of an excellent short book called "Debtcibel: a non-technical sound book that teaches the church how to spend, when to spend and who to spend it on")
Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge with us Jake, your videos help so many of us.
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How do I get your book?
@@abruzicomics It's on Amazon. Not my book, written by an author named Darius Fong. Worthwhile purchase imo
Something that's already been on my radar for a while! Certainly need to look at our budgets and work out what else needs covering within our budgets, but I would love to sort some kind of acoustic treatment for our room (would also be nice if we had our AV in the middle rather than off in a corner, but we'll make do with that I guess!) Certainly a reminder for me to look into this further.
My former church was just a rectangular box. The rule of thumb was to take the cubic volume of the room, then divide by three to get the square foot coverage (using 4-inch thick Roxul). Worked fine. It's great the rep goes into some detail on absorption materials and caveats on room design. Having your church people assist with the installation REALLY helps with buy-in to what's being done. Well done!
Great timing. Been trying to convince leadership teams at a few different venues for a while now that they really need acoustic treatment. No amount of new gear or training can fix the room. This video will be really helpful with those discussions. Thanks!
Great video & timing!!
As an acoustic consultant, but also a having been a sound engineer for 22 years, I completely agree that acoustics is FAR more important than equipment in terms of sound quality / experience. Design Stage advice is paramount from the early stages, but retrofit can also help significantly. Sadly people still don't know this. My church meets in a sports hall that is 32m x 17m x 8 - 9m high. Interestingly, the RT60 isn't as bad as you think - I measured it at around 3.5 seconds at mid frequencies, but that's because the walls and roof are poor in terms of their sound insulation, so lower frequencies just leak out (which is another acoustic issue, by the way).
When I visit other churches on my off-week of serving, I find rooms that were treated and absorbent and somewhat pleasing to listen to. However, sure, they have more subs, better stereo flown PAs and all that too. Since we have a gym setup for our church, we simply have very limited capability to do more than has already been done during room design which has acoustic wall treatment built into the walls design. Our best sound comes when we have the most people in the room.
2:09 - that room is lively! The chapel I grew up in was entirely built for voices and pipe organ which could get very loud) - not modern band equipment. We only needed a guitar and the music was quite full. Natural reverb could work if you play your band at a lower volume and let the room and congregation voices work.
Feel like I just watched an infomercial with a few nuggets of info thrown in.
Primacoustic may have come up with a unicorn, but the panels of that thickness will most probably not work below a certain point in the low mids. The bass and lower mids will still be an issue, they are just lest obvious for a regular person, and the clap test won't show those issues.
"Panel" absorption (as in panels that are relatively free and can resonate at particular frequencies, usually down lower - As opposed to "foam panels") are helpful here. Sometimes, freely hanging wool-serge drapes (about 4 - 6 inches away from the wall) can work wonders here.
Proper treatment for the low-end (i.e. bass traps) requires a lot of material.
What about Concrete walls? I am assuming because it is very hard, it is going to be a lot more reflective.
What lens/a/f are you using for the closing scene? looks fantastic!
Sony G master 35mm
I have a large room dimension,
40m lenght 20m width, and only 8m height. Every surface is heavly reflective (6-7sec),
Which part is best to put absorber panels, the ceiling or the walls?
Weve got kind of a medium room with high ceilings. Im working hard to sell leadership on treatment. Weve just got so much low end hanging around and so much reverberation. $20k is a hard sell when Im not really sure how much difference it will make. Dont bass traps need to be thick? From what I see all of the Primeacoustic stuff is 2". Im certain these will absorb upper mids and highs but how much low end are we really going to be tamping down? Or do they have thicker panels as well for controlling low end.
Hey Jake, it would be very helpful to know what this acoustic treatment cost, minus installation time. My church is a similar size, so it would probably be within 20% margin to what yours cost.
For the amount of panels we have it is around $25k. Remember you can always start with half the amount and do it in phases.
Thanks Jake!@@Churchfront
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17:43 oh the overwhelming never ending reckless... quantity of panels ... clearly doesnt leave the 99, i couldn't earn them and i don't deserve them
For 30k dollars
30k better spent than 30k on about 4 d&b speakers and 1 amp, which will still sound awful in an untreated/bad space. (I'm not affiliated with any companies btw, just an independent acoustic consultant in the UK).
@@simonacoustics yeah, I'm just surprised for its cost when the outcome sounds like it is not yet fully compressed
@@yatoyato5160 What do you mean by "fully compressed"? out of interest? Do you mean "more acoustically dead/dry"?
You don't want a space too acoustically dry or it will sound un-natural and people's eye and ears will be transmitting different things, confuse the brain and could make people feel unwell.
@@simonacoustics i mean the reverb delay that he test at the end, it states that from 4s it become 2s, that difference seems not worth it for 30k
There are a ton of videos that show how to make your own acoustic treatment panels for way cheaper.