The Shammgod: How God Shammgod's Legendary Crossover Lives on in Today's Stars
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- God Shammgod is responsible for creating one of the most vicious crossover moves in NBA history.
What is "The Shammgod?" When was it first used? How do today's NBA players still use the move?
Watch the video above to find out.
Footage courtesy of: NBA Entertainment, NCAA/Wazee Digital, Shammgod family, Bill Aberer, Bonsu Thompson and Matt Caputo.
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Didn’t play a more than a full season. Still leaves a legacy. Legendary.
Why didn't he play a full season
@@precursorapollo641 Cause he was average
@@SDSOverfiend Coaching more so, knowing what to do with his talents. Wizards fan by default, trust me we had great players but couldn't do anything in the playoffs. Young dudes coming to DC with these women will distract you. We had Rasheed Wallace, Juwan Howard, Chris Webber, Chaney. So I'm guessing coaching and scouts who decided not to pick him up.
He's a legend in my hometown after playing in the McDonald's Classic for only 2 games. Old dudes are gonna be talking about God in high school forever
He’s deeply loved here in Dallas.
He is a GOAT just for his name
Avery Bradley's Son no he is a god
Shamgod Wells
You cant be A goat but you can be THE goat
Shamgod wells......Shammy wells? coincidence, i think not.
ParkerVlogsLive look who's talkin you here too LMAO
Im glad to hear he didn't end up broke. 👍 He is coaching and receiving a good check.
Not having a successful nba career doesn’t make you broke
one two he didn’t say it did
"A Harlem nigga with no 🍞"
-Loaded Lux
Jamesy NFG what was the original comment implying since you wanna add in your 2 cents
one two it wasn’t implying anything. It was very straightforward. Simple.
I appreciate the old school NY music y’all put
Honestly, Id prefer some tekoochi 69
The Goat 😂😂
Yup it fits nice doc!
anyone know what song that is?
Definitely better than this Atlanta bullshit sound
What scary is when the ballhandler throws the ball it seems like they are driving hard, when you prepare for the drive and he snatches it back, that is what catches people.
EvilJagan Gaming that fr Breaks people
Thanks for clearing that up
and there's nothing you can do about it because if you don't follow, the dude will just flash by you. So you either end up with your ass on the floor or with your feet rooted, your choice.
Irving does that shit every night, I remember last year he did that to Westbrook and he decided to just stay there and not move. This year's most incredible anklebreakers of his are probably the Collison and the Fournier ones.
I never saw Shammgod play, which is why I am so appreciative of CP3, Kyrie and Dame.
EvilJagan Gaming j
EvilJagan I break so many ppl doing that
How many people can say they literally created a basketball move?
J D me and my friends made a layup call sprinkle
Khalil Mckenzie sprinklesssss
J Crawford is close but only he have the handles to pull it off
Jamal behind the back in and out has never been done before I think
J D JAMAL CRAWFORD SHAKE AND BAKE IS HIS PERSONAL MOVE
“You Had Me 20yrs Too Early” I Felt That💯
Life Of Rondo he was ahead of his time.. unfortunately
Rondo, imagine having 2 or 3 even more dope moves than that one (and I admit it is unique, nice and effective) and only those who were caught and experienced them 40 years ago remember or know. I need to get with Kyrie or Steph or somebody and usher them into the NBA. I recall towards the end of my streetball playing days doing a facet of one of my moves and somebody said that was a nice CPIII and I said yeah, I was doing that before he was born. Much respect to all the creative ballers and ball-handlers who never got the shine they deserve.
True but sad to shammgod. Just a trainer as his career.
He didn't survive the NBA because he was cut for the street ball not the NBA
@@julzbuzz7243 you must not play😭 your take makes no sense
Did he say Nate "Tiny" Archibald was his GYM TEACHER????!!!!!!
@ 2:53 if anyone is looking
He did! Ain't that something?
Yeah! I had no idea. How awesome is that?!
Who is that
Savon Hayes a PG from back in the day i think he pöay like 75-85 around that time he was like a 6-7 time allstar go look it up not sure either just kniw that he was a crazy good player
When his parents decided to name him that he was already solidified for greatness
fr like imagine his name was Carl or something
That's Insane to me his name is Shammond the streets named him shamgod but I get it ur right
He changed his name
That's Insane to me , during that same era in NYC you had Scientific and Majestic Mapp and Souvenir Callwood, they all played for Rice.
His last name betrayed him, though.
Shammgod definitely a legend. Friend of camron (a legend) helped kobe(a legend) dribble played with (queens bridge legend) ron artest. What a life of connections
FREE WILL DEFENDER : SWEET!!! KOBE....WHAT WAZ YET 2 COME.....SWOOSH_CROSSED UP!!!
You can tell early Kobe got his moves from sham
And don’t forget Tiny Archibald was his gym teacher (a legend)
Cam'ron? The rapper?
Nvm just saw it😂😂
"This boy... He about to be a smoothie."
- Cam'ron 😆
Cam was out there smelling like black and milds and henny drunk Af
Get in the car, dont touch nothing sit in the car, either we lovin or I'll see you tommorow.
Pause
Mane I’ve broke fools off with this guys crossovers.... them 500 dislikes probably his victims and they kids 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol
What’s crazy is just like players have said the way u can set up moves because of this makes it even more lethal
TRANK GATLIN shamgod to behind the back. I’m not even a true baller but I’ve caught dudes in the park with it
And they neighbors
outro is a huge W
alex palmer do you know the name of the song?
flava in ya ear by craig mack
outro is lit.
TRUE!!!
alex palmer That comment itself says a lot about the hip-hop culture of some people. This joint right here is in the hall of fame of Hip-hop.
LNP
Man oh man. The streetball courts was filled with people trying to do this move late 90s early 2000s.
People are still doing this move now. This move isn't anywhere for awhile fam.
Dr0pkidd I'm sure people are still doing it now but it's nothing like the craze behind it in those early years when the move came out. People didn't even care about scoring they just wanted to Sham you lol.
Da Truth it's my go to
sortve like how everyone tries to jelly today
OmgVino Lol I had to Google the jelly move I didn't know the name of it.
I remember being in a Jack Curran's Basketball camp and seeing this little kid with ridiculous handles and the coolest name possible and thinking. "Damn! That kid's handle is crazy!" Glad to see you are getting love for your skills and you are using that knowledge to help others!
🤔😂🤣😂😭😩😩
derek Lynch 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭you lying bald headed milk dud fuck
@@57thb15 😭
@@57thb15 you soooooooo nasty twin
I believe it. My dad told me about him playing for his team at the Ruckus. He said that Shamgod was way more lethal against dudes with good defense
Looking at the old footage of Shammgod's handles kind of reminds me of the old Skip To My Lou (Rafer Alston) tapes from And1.
NomadiqGentz Word! Bro I’m listening to these people talk and reading these comments I’m like are we really gonna act like skip, hot sauce, professor all them and1 kids do that shit in they sleep😂😂😂. Can’t front on that name tho. That’s probably why it stuck. God shammgod sounds hard af. Lol
He was the truth too.
@@miketubre5055 He was doing it well before the And 1 tapes. Those dudes got it from him (we are talking early 90s). Whether it on was the Harlem playgrounds or the All-American game. I can remember my whole hood trying that move after that game.
Thats where skip got it from ShamGod was the originator they learned crossover from Him
@@miketubre5055 nah bro ya off on your timetable. he was before the And1. i saw him play live in a tournament with skip. skip move was like a high step/skip, sham had that cross. skip and sham are somewhat from the same era they led to and1 and all the other guys came after. tournaments like kingdom and rucker is where i watched these guys
Wait what Nate Archibald was your gym teacher wow 😮
stashouse617 right tho
Thats what I said.
How's that weird? Ones from the South Bronx the other from Harlem. I could literally throw a rock over the madison ave bridge from Harlem and it land in the Bronx....
Nuri Abdi It's not about where they're from. His gym teacher was a hall of famer/50 greatest players of all time bruh. Thats like a kid having Lebron, Dr. J, Magic, or Jordan as they're gym teacher.
Yeah, that's a real competitive advantage.
So hes training Dennis Smith jr... Thats crazy
RIGHT! Dennis is about to be a nightmare for the league.
michael perry true but he works with the mavs he trains most the players
just realized that goddamn it's gone be nasty
He trained young frobe too
People are sleeping on Smith Jr
I'm 42, and I am still , and going to try that....If I don't break ma' own ankles .. #LOVEBASKETBALL
I'm 40, looking to play competitive ball again after 6 years away. Can't wait to try and get my Sham on. Even if it costs me my knees :P
Bruh I’m 35 and I’m like damn if I would’ve added that to my crossover when I was young....I should go try it....but I think I’m make myself fall. 😂
Not going to break them. Just sprain them real good😂😂😂😂
The Flava In Your Ear at the end just perfect
Top 5 beat of all time
Even though he didn't become a megastar like Kobe, his legacy will live forever for that move that bears his name
The irony is that he didn't invent that move. Legendary Yugoslavian basketball player Dragan Kićanović (Serbian) invented that move during the 70's. The second Yugoslav, Croatian Danko Cvjetičanin, used it a lot during the 80's, and the third legendary Yugoslav (Serbian) player Dejan Bodiroga perfected and popularized that move in the 90's. Karl Malone was especially annoyed after Bodiroga used that move against him in the final of the Olympic Games in Atlanta.
There's one of you everywhere no one in the 70's dribbled that low ever, stop it.
@@TubeWatcher Umm... Yes, there was. Why it's so hard to accept that someone in Europe used such move long before Shammgod?
@@markomarkovic5729 maybe but shammgod popularized it, and also he probably didn't know of this other guy. I thought I invented a new crossover, but turns out it was just the in and out crossover.
We don't care about Yugoslavia basketball man who watches that ? Seriously?
I... NEED.....GAME OF ZONES!!!!
ThreeRingLebron agreed
RIP Kobe..damn still dont feel right.
It Still don’t man 😔
Terrence Romeo made this clip. That proves his move was sick.
global ni si Terrence
And I will help continue his work by sharing his crossover with the young players I coach, word!!
Coach Reed #StopsDimes&Buckets Make sure you show them this video for inspiration
Anyone else think 8:44 was a video game?
It's real 😂😆
Sho do look phony-like..but it's real
I did, I really did, haha
Exactly!
Doesnt look real
Tiny Archibald played for the KC Kings when I was a kid. I've been telling folk he was crossing dudes over in the 70's & likely 60's in high school.
Yea this whole idea I see from kids today that basketball players weren`t as good back then is stupid....
They were not as skilled, that's a fact. They didnt train like the young bucks now. If they did they would be just as skilled, but they didnt have the knowledge of training they do now. Same will be said 50 years from now, players in the future will smoke these boys now.
@@grapenutz1137 I don`t know man, I think you underestimate how good people were back then.If anything the league is smaller and weaker than ever from a physical standpoint.
@@grapenutz1137 You can kind of look at how humans have transitioned by looking at sprinting in the olympics.... Carl Lewis in 1984, Michael Johnson 1996, Usain Bolt 2008-current.... They were not crushing each others records. They beat them by like .09 or something. People were athletic back then even if their shorts look goofy.
@@Turk_2023 The 60s had strict palming rules which didn't allow players to do crossovers. I'm sure that if the rules were a bit more loose, Guys like Jerry west, Nate Archibald, Oscar Robertson could have done More crossovers.
3:48 I thought he was gonna say McDonald’s employee 💀😂
Lol
The pause lol
Bleacher Report this was STRAIGHT 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
And they going to close out with "Flavor in Ya Ear"?!?!? Fire Department don't want any of this...
this was quite possibly the greatest sports thing i’ve ever seen ever
El Latigo is quite comparable and has been in Europe since the eighties. It's just amazing that ideas can be formulated by people so far apart, and I'm happy Shammgod made it popular
When they showed Manu in the beginning, I was thinking that's not a Shamgod...that's a Boderoga.
@@karlanthonymargate7362 yeah i was like ive seen in in euroball in the 90s.... and they dont know who shamgod is
1:58 Damnn that was my man Terrence Romeo from the Philippines xD
One of the nastiest ball handlers that ever lived and he did that move twice in the tourney. He did it against Duke too
Lmao
Music was on point.
Tim Broadous II who raping?? I like it too
Yo good looks bro
I miss playing basketball in the 90s😥
Here in Memphis, we called it "The Running Man" when Shamgod broke it out against Arizona. My brother, Andre Allen broke it out in the all-star game at Todd Day Basketball Camp🤦🤦I've NEVER seen that move done as effectively in my life. Not even by God Shamgod himself. He slowly walked the ball up the left side of the court. The defender slapped the floor, which hyped the crowd up. Dre wiped his feet, rolled the ball out towards the sideline, the defender dove at the ball as if it was a loose ball, Dre snatched it back a millisecond before the defender had a chance to grab it🤦😂😂 The defender ended up in 3rd row. Dre didn't even care to finish the play. He just throw the ball into the stands and the entire camp stormed the court. I wish camera phones and social media were around back then. It would definitely be at a BILLION VIEWS by now.
awesome story, thanks for sharing. it must’ve felt so legendary
Lyin ass
I did this move and won a AAU tournament.
Johnny Chahal respect 💪🏾
Johnny Chahal congratulations
Johnny Chahal lmao you did the move and they had to shut the gym down and just give y’all the trophy? 😂 I’m playing but that shit would be ill
Johnny Chahal sure
bull
THANK YOU SHAMGOD FOR YOUR LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTION TO THE GAME I LOVE PASSIONATELY
That move is legendary. It reminds me of Barry Sanders from the Detroit Lions...how he used that juke goose step move to lose everyone..like the Euro step..this move has taken dribbling to the next level...The Shamgod Elevated the game! The myth is real...he has magic in his hands..next level like Jason William's Behind the back elbow pass...what do they call that? The white chocolate elbow pass?
That was brilliant! Shammgod definitely gets a lot more attention for his influence nowadays. While this is super cool right now, how cool is it to have docs like this for the future generations to do their homework on the game? Not only who put up how many numbers, but people who changed how the game is played. You see Shammgod's influence every NBA game you watch :) I loved this, thank you!
Glad to finally see him getting recognition. I remember being 10 hearing about this move and his name but never knowing his face. Crazy 20 years later he’s still a legend!
Top quality documentary right here keep up the great work!
NBA Live we need Shamgod in the game
I kind of remember he was in NBA Live 98...
@@jayrobb9 You’re correct, he’s in NBA Live 98 with the Washington Wizards.
Ok, that was a piece of art! Incredible story telling and production work! Then to finish it off with the period correct Craig Mack that embodied the feel of the entire piece.... outstanding! Just outstanding work!
One of the greatest ive ever seen
Is shamgod..i always wondered what happened to him but glad to
Hear he is in nba with dallas coaching staff..
Dejan Bodiroga used this move too!!
that dude actually used it first. and was a better pro player... shamgod was one and done in the nba.
Giorgos I get it and I’m glad you didn’t go too far to say Bodiroga created it lol. A lot of people used the move just not as nasty as shamgod
You didn't have the NBA career but you made your mark on basketball history and became a helluva mentor to hoopers over the years. You won bro! We appreciate you and what you've given to the game
This is why I got mad love for NYC ballers they got that flashy handles!!! 🏀🗽
But this particular move was used in Europe long before Shammgod. Yugoslavian (Serbian) player Dragan Kićanović used it in the '70's, another Yugoslavian (Croatian) Danko Cvjetićanin used it a lot in the '80's, and the third Yugoslavian (from Serbia) Dejan Bodiroga perfected it in the early '90's. He drove Karl Malone crazy with this move, who subsequently intentionally injured him in the final of the 1996 Olympic tournament.
Show proof
Before, when I was new to Basketball, I do the Shammgod EVERY TIME, AS IN EVERY SINGLE SECOND, even a fundamental game, or anything like that. Why? It's because I don't know how to properly dribble with my left, so I just use my right everytime I dribble. And I didn't even know I was doing it
Nikexel // FirstChildHQ I use to do the same thing!
Sometimes, Bad Weaknesses has and still have a Good Part 😂
Nikexel // FirstChildHQ u wernt doing shit if you cant dribble with two hands u idiot
Nikexel // FirstChildHQ you weren't exactly doing this move if u can't dribble with both hands properly
Alexandre A well there is a variation with one hand cp3 busts it out sometimes
I hit a security guard with the shamgod one time and met Jamal Crawford backstage at a NBA game
Thank you Shamgod
Jamal is a solid and genuinely good dude
RESPECT! I attended 5Star BBall Camp in Wilkes-Berre, PA with this brotha while in HS (94-95). Not only this move, he had the most fluid, creative total handle I ever saw even beter than mine and thats saying something!
-MINNESOTA G.O.A.T
Braj...this ish is so DOPE. Started it out perfect with that 90’s Naughty joint from Juice too. Eww Wee
Much love on this. Respect Due Son
kyrie not dodging an interview for once
siu c ikr
He don't want to play with Lebron anyone get over it lmao
Leave Kyrie alone. he dont need ur Master. go party with ur Master 3-5 finals record and dont forget o call nick, shannon and colin please
Because this is about something he loves to talk about. Especially when it's more of a documentary
Dirk Buskermolen lp
Dejan Bodiroga had done this before, and Kicanovic even before him, as far back as the 70s.
Pavle Dinulović yeah and pistol Pete did it before them in the 60s so what’s your point?
Well Shammond imortalized the move a task which the others failed at
@@jkthegreat5687 Umm.. No. Karl Malone was pissed at Dejan Bodiroga in 1996 Olympics finals. And Bodiroga saw that move from another Yugoslavian (from Croatia) player Danko Cvjetićanin, who saw that move early in his career in Belgrade (Serbia) from Dragan Kićanović who did this in '70's.
@@bigdaddybigbucks6012 And Pete Maravich was Serbian American
Very motivational. I saw this on and1 once and practiced it over 15 years ago. I still practice and use this cross over move, it works so good. Thanks God Shammgod
Can’t do much better in terms of making a dope basketball video. Great job with this one🔥
Amazing job...thank you. Shammgod has been a legend.
Like Jamal Crawford said, his move will outlive him. The GOD move is simply legendary! 💥 MY NYC DUDES KNOW BASKETBALL 🏀
hes move wasnt his he stole it from Dejan Bodiroga
Thank you for this piece of history. This man impacted the sport in a way that I didn't know.
Thank u for this amazing piece. 🙌🙌🙌
Yep yep he lived in my building in Harlem and his son a beast also. Facts!!!!
Love the fact that him and Skip are known now it's time for more content of Ed Booger Smith and Speedy from Above the Rim. NYC guard's was super ill in the 90's
I think Kenny Anderson fits in there too
@@matthewhorizon6050 Kenny really from the late 80s he was in the 1989 McDonald's All American game with Shaq
His Moms & Pops must be apart of the Nation of Gods & Earths with that name!
Yeah
Majestic & Scientific Mapps and I-Perfection and Supreme Justice Harris too.... All from NYC and all Five Percenters
There were people doing this earlier, Dejan Bodiroga for example, but the move was called 'El latigo'
The opening track is Naughty by Nature / Uptown Anthem. Thank me later.
People really don't know that?
I have to say Sham, Kenny A, and skip I've learn from back then also Mark Jackson, Boo Harvey, and Kenny Smith as well from NYC.
Sham and skip.... were the two GOATS, if you will, for handles in NYC. It was them and then everyone else
ABSOLUTELY GREAT! I've been following the game since the 50s. Used to follow the NY summer leagues in the 60s and 70s. Picked up games in the 80s but stopped playing in the 80s and worked 80 hour weeks in the 90s to make $ for retirement. So I missed Shamgod. Now I see it.
Awesome handles. Love your moves. Great to see him coaching in the NBA.
My nigga Killa Cam 🙏🏾
Camm was super nice at ball too back in the day
1:58 Terrence Romeo🔥🔥🔥
Rated Zigs 7:42 pa
It's 2022. And I've just used the move in tournament. Though we lost, but my peers kept talking about my shammgod move ever since. Thanks man.
What I love with the Shammgod is that it feigns a miilisecond of openness, while maintaining the ability to combo to every move. It's like a shot fake hesi in the sense you're tricking the defender to react so you can act during their motion of reaction. Those multiple reaction attempts at the same time just freeze or break anyone up if the move is muscle bound in your bag. If they give you space fully expecting the move, you can always just plant and shoot with a dribble gather that almost feels like a pass in the pocket.
BEST dribble move in any smart handlers bag. The combo opportunity is crazy.
The best move invented period! I used to use it in high school many times worked for every type of defender even the future pros... one game I crossed a guy to a split and end it with floater... Best feeling in the world! Thank you God Shammgod! 🙏
Terrence Romeo rocking the shammgod 1:57 🔥
I haven't Hooped in about 3 years. I Hooped last week, and did the shammgod on a kid from CalPoly, and it worked. That move will forever be in my arsenal.
I still come back and watch this. The perfect ball documentary. Music, guest, storyline, all perfect.
... Deadass !!! ...
this is youtube excellence
Shamgods handles is legendary
Terrence Bill Romeo(On a neon Green jersey) finally got noticed! Kudos brother!
ShamGod was unreal!!!! If you listen to him break down his practice technique it was wild. He could tell you how many steps and bounces from anywhere on the court it took to get to basket.
Shamgod Wells was his name in HS for LaSalle Academy before he started for Providence that one year as a freshman and led that team to the Elite Eight with Lincoln's Jamel Thomas.
bro
Wow! Terrence Romeo! nice one Shammgod is the best!
8:49.. "You cannot do that to another grown man" 🤣🤣
Damn your real Raw Talent ahead of your time that's why everybody's barely catching up now thanking you for all the great things you did for the sport
I never get over how nasty that uncle drew move is at 1:14 omg 🤦🏽♂️🔥
Best ball handler of all time
Josh Rubin Pistol Pete Bonecrusher and Isiah Thomas were pretty close especially Pete
Josh Rubin Kyrie,Steph,Jcraw,White chocolate, Pistol, Cp3 etc...list goes on forever 😂 🤷🏽♂️
Nope Allen iverson is king
Jonatan Melo AI use to shamm ppl all the time lol.
Josh Rubin Nahh I take kyrie allday
Hell of a video, learn something new everyday 👍
Was practicing this move on the court 20 years ago now. Didn't know it's origins back then. Props.
*Dejan Bodiroga* and Danko Cvjeticanin, hello?!
A Bulut na snimku radi to, plus kroz noge protivniku i daje kos uz faul...
@Mac Turner do your homework, we were shamgodding in the late 70s
Yep...if pistol pete waswhite theyd call him the originator
@Mac Turner The truth is, that dribble was originally called "the whip" and it has existed in European ball way before Shammgod popularized it in the US.
Dragan Kićanović used that move in the 70's.
1:57 that's Terrence Romeo from Philippines! 🔥 proud filipino here!
Pelepens !!
Shut the fuck up over patriotic idiots
Awesome video
THANK YOU BR FOR THIS ONE! MUCH RESPECT AND LOVE TO THE GOD SHAMGOD! THIS BLACK MAN'S GIFT TO THE WORLD IS DOCUMENTED FOREVER
Crossovers magnificent True LEGENDARY 💪🏿😁🤞🏿😵
His name is Shamgod Wells. I went to LaSalle academy where his jersey was retired. Don't know when he changed it
Thats what he was know as in NYC in the 90's.. Shamgod Wells
Awesome short @bleacherreport
I was trying to make And1 Mixtapes when my friend showed me this move. Now, I've made people fall before this move was in my arsenal but I never knew when it was coming. However, with this move, and the right set-up, I can almost predict the fall. I was deadly with this move people would guard me in hesitation cause I learn how to pull this move off in so many scenarios and connect with other moves you could never see it coming. That ONE move gave me so much creativity in misdirection it changed my WHOLE game!!!
"Craig Mack 1000 degrees, you be on your knees and you be burnin beggin please"🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Dejan Bodiroga playing perfectly that long before them.
A pre njega Danko Cveticanin
Who lol shutup
@@codyfritzler1373 Just because you're stupid, doesn't mean you have to brag about it. Son, this move was invented by the Yugoslav basketball player Dragan Kićanović (from Serbia) in the 70's. The second Yugoslav, who was his teammate, Danko Cvjetićanin (from Croatia) saw the move in the early 80's and used it a lot, while the third Yugoslav basketball player Dejan Bodiroga (a Serb, a close relative of Dražen Petrović) perfected this move in the early 90's. Long before Shammgod.
He didn't know the notoriety he got nationwide because there was no social media. Every kid with a ball was trying that move after the NCAA tourney. He didn't know he'd become legend, but he does now.😎
He use to play with the big boys in W. 145 St. & Lennox Ave. park at 11 & 12 yrs old losing his own. Harlem 🐐