Sail Life - Gimbaled induction & electric oven, diesel tank plumbing - DIY sailboat project
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- This week I got my custom gimbaled stove installed and made a glorious frozen pizza. I also got the galley diesel tank hooked up and put the kitchen island back in place.
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"It's not a big deal."
Translation:
"This will be bugging the hell out of me until I change it."
Mads, recess your junction box like they do in a house. that would not take to much time. it appears you have enough room in the back and it would give you your 30 degree tilt. enjoy watching you. Thanks
You should use rubber grommets to protect the wires going through the steel of the oven because that stove is going to move a lot and wear on the wire. Cheap and very easy to install.
They make plastic push-in grommets just for this, available in the US at Home Depot and such stores in the electrical aisle. They make them in all sizes and big enough to use for the holes in the structural members where Mads ran the fuel hoses through.
Absolutely correct. He also needs to make sure that the gimbaled box is also connected to ground. Otherwise when the hot eventually shorts out it very well may kill someone.
What about also covering the wire in some type of Kevlar to prevent any Chafing? That wire looks to a week point in the design. Grommet, Kevlar. Could the stove also be placed on some type of GFIC breaker?
Seconded! gimballing, chafing and vibrations from running the motors will wear that cable in short order; a gland would be cheap insurance against a potential nasty shock.
lots of ideas here. The plastic grommets can be found at most Electrical supply houses. they are used after electricians make holes is electrical boxes to bring in cables. Also, Used fire hose is extremely strong. You actually have to pay for Used Hose. It is in-demand by many hydraulic hose or heavy equipment companies. Very good to protect anything from abrasion/chaffing damage.
Mads, in the USA we make 'Cut-in' junction boxes that are literally designed to be mounted into a face rather than on it.
That will probably get you set right up there.
propane is 100% safe until it explodes and you have a fire !! ,, i like the way you think and your attention to detail , now i have to bake a pizza
A lot of the Propane in the UK is supplied by Calorgas and the bottles used most often by boats, caravans and motorhomes are swopped for a filled one when empty. They also have a left hand thread where the connector with regulator is fitted.
Cut a hole the size of the junction box to recess it the depth of the plywood. Then use a square of metal sheet to mount it from behind and sell the edge with caulking.
Pipe threads are always a challenge and seem to leak especially if plastic and metal are involved together. However Surefire always no leak pipe thread procedure is as follows. I always do this and it never fails. I learned this from a commercial water sprinkler fire suppression installer. Putty tape putty. In other words always put your Teflon putty on the threads and then wrap it with tape and apply putty again when you do it this way it will never leak! It is amazing how you can even seal metal pipe threads to plastic threads. You can use all kinds of tapes and putties but the only thing that works for sure is putty tape putty. I use the 555 Teflon putty and Teflon tape
I was so excited for you when that pizza came out of your new oven :)
When you are on passage you need a small access hatch into the fridge for milk and butter. The lifting arrangement will be great in port but not on passage.
Induction is the way to go Mads. I didn't think so and only got it at home because we couldn't run gas legally to our stove. The big thing us how clean it stays. Nothing burns onto it. After 8 years it still looks like new.
Love that... " But time is short "...some how after all these years i dont think thats ever been a consideration lol
XXLaffinGravyXX it wasnt when he first started but now he is under a timeline now.
A small tip for anyone cooking on induction aboard a boat, buy a silicone mat for baking, and put this straight on the glass surface,
the pot will stay solidly in place without any need to fix it in place. also added bonus, you will not as easily make scratches in the glass when the pot does manage to move around a bit with a grain of dirt under it (wich always seems to happen sooner or later)
I have done it like this for years, just make sure the silicone mat(s) are resistant to high temperatures.
As many others said: Please put a gland or at least a grommet on the hole through your sheet metal. I've seen stationary metal boxes cut through a cable. I can only imagine what a gimbaling box would do.
FIVE years without pizza! The sacrifices needed to live aboard a boat have just confirmed my desire to continue to live on dry land.
Nice subtle way to show off your spiffy island lid. I'd forgotten you'd come up with that idea. Make sure it opens wide enough to get a turkey in and out of the freezer for Thanksgiving. Remember, Ava is an American, with uniquely American ideas of holiday meals - have you ever had green bean casserole?.
You are a hardworking man.
Hi mate.... Doing a great job..... just one thing (being an electrician by trade) please re-visit the wires running through the sheet metal for the oven.... they going to fail at least in my opinion
If the gimbaled box is not grounded, it will also result in a dangerous shock.
Please at least use some rubber troughs: www.elfa.se/sv/kablar-och-ledningar/kabelgenomfoeringssystem/kabelgenomfoeringar-med-dragavlastning/c/cat-DNAV_PL_090603
Or even better: lundagrossisten.se/catalogue/i18607.html
Watching him cook a frozen pizza and being so happy about it is why I Love this channel so much.
Humor on point this week
Hi your heading in the right direction , well done
Just get one of those little propane-powered hob if you need it. - You can fire it up almost anywhere and those little screw canisters are available all over the world.
I would have double clamped all those hose connections. I would also use grommets on those electric line holes for the gimbaled stove and oven.
My thoughts on both of those completely.
Meant to say this a few vid's ago but she is REALLY comign together now and looking great! Bit surpised you went with the lines exposed but also get the solution/design issues there. Maybe a removable cover with one of your slick bent wood jobs? And a gasket around where the hoses enter the under area? Looking great otherwise! Congrats on Pizza! Make cookies next!
Don't forget to label the hoses. Nice work!
Have a look at Wago connectors and boxes... smaller.. also have a look at extended flex relief grommets to ease chafing on the flex
For future work stainless and plastic should be fine together. Plastic plays well with most everyone. I like the galley fuel tank. The only thing I see that concerns me is the vent being low. If the tank is full and you are on a heel and get fuel in the vent is has no where to go. With enough fuel it will stop venting.
I agree on the electric stove . One example of problem is DrakeParagon in Iceland . They were very low, and had problem with tanks and fittings.
Hi Mads, when you install the pot retention dohicky, maybe think about some weights mounted on the side of the gimble that can be shifted front to back. That way, you could compensate for the uneven load of the pots and pans. I don't know if you have the same level of OCD as me, but I would hate a gimble that is hanging uneven since there is a 2Kg Pasta pot sitting on top of the stove...
Grommets, look for either junction box or electrical connection block also is there no way of mounting your electrical box on the inside of the stove top and inside of your storage hole (the back of your recessed do hicky) and as for your end clip a phrase comes to mind..... showoff lol great vids and keep up the spiffy factor
Propane is a no-brainer. Lugging a heavy tank in dinghies, up and down a ladder and possible for a km or two in some remote spot would get old very quickly.
As always nice video. A dap of linseed oil. Works in most enamels and oil based paint. To reduce or stop orange peel if it works in your paint. Js
Thanks again for another great video
i cannot believe you've forever deprived us of the fiddly fun involved with crafting the now immortal Cable Cubby, Preserver of Angry Pixie Highway.
you should have a catch on the stove to stop it moving when you want to open the oven door,opening the door alters the balance of the gimbal which can cause the stove to pivot forward and your dinner sliding out of the oven,which can be quite dangerous.
Big milestone mads and I like it. Also totally agree with you on the propane decision.
5 years without oven, God I believe that pizza tasted good.
Love that you cut the pizza with your pocket knife.
The tip about propane generating water was a revelation! I totally agree with your principle and love the way you talk around the decision making process
Shame the hoses couldnt run inside the kitchen island. You will have to remove all the hoses now to remove the island in the future
Mads, you should consider getting a silicon mat for your oven(!) Get one with holes for when you want a crust (pizza, bread), and one without for when you want something like cookies. No more parchment paper!
Yep, they can be washed though they do get stained with oils and spilled food over time. In the uK I found them as cheap as £1. They weren't available in Spain, but I did find them in Martinique for a bit more. Best get 4 or 5 of them online whilst in Denmark.
Thank you!
Way better than watching the RIOTS!!!!
I still think you should route off the sharp corners on the kitchen island.
That looks like a painful bump to the hip in rough seas.
Just my thoughts tho.
Looks fantastic, man!
Mad's absolutely agree with propane/butane free boat. You may have to carry some petrol/gas for you outboard if you want a planing tender, and you will. :-) Have you thought about rounding the corners of the island and putting a low fiddle around the edges. Things have a habit of moving at anchor and at sea. Maybe a cunningly clever grab rail as a fiddle so there is a hand hold under way? Perhaps the hand rail could be on the side of the island? Go for a Corian or composite top to the island. Hard as nails and easy to clean. A few thoughts for you... Contact SV Compromise on YT for Corian or composite. They have a business that custom cuts to drawings with 3D router. good prices too. Sail Safe Guys, Ant, Cid & the pooch crew.
Wow! In today’s episode you could finally get a sense of the layout in the salon. With the settee (complete with clutter), the island, the range and the head all around - with Mads leaning back taking a break - you can see the cabin taking shape after all this time. Still a ton of systems and touch-ups to do, but it’s all coming together at last. Bravo Mads! A lesser man would’ve stalled out or sold the half-done boat a long time ago!
Wire bushings on the stove or sawed wires will be creating fireworks as you make pancakes .
You gotta do something else with that junction box. ...leave that bottom shelf removable and just put it on the other side of the panel.... also definitely pick up a compression/retention ring or grommet for that metal hole.
Pretty Dang spiffed ☺️
Great video, as always! Mads, I have a cheeky request. After seeing you working with what appears to be a Surface, my husband and I are intrigued to learn exactly how you manage the technical aspects of your video production. I know you have endless Athena projects to attend to, but if you find any bandwidth on your rainier days to give us a demo of how you set up, film, transfer footage, edit and upload, we would be so grateful. Either way, thanks for all you do!
Good move getting rid of propane. We jsutbinstalled induction and love it.
A lot of professional chefs are going to induction cooktops instead of gas. They like them better. I hope you really enjoyed your pizza you deserve it. However in my opinion it was not a very accurate test of the oven. You should have had about 30 people outside Athena to rock her. Really test that gimble. 😉 I love this channel. You are doing what I dream about doing. Just no time or money. I would love to convert a bus into a camper or redo a boat. Now quit reading these messages and get to work on another video. I can't wait any longer. LOL
I can't see that going well when you're on the hard lol.
8:00 I suggest some sort of shock-absorbing stopper so that the cooker is not repeatedly bashing into your junction box.
You are absolutely correct as far as your comaparasion between induction and gas stoves, as a professional chef I can attest that we are seeing more and more professional kitchens switching to induction as opposed to gas, and for the better IMO. Quicker ot heat and cool and more precise temp control, of course the dowsides are not being able to "hover cook" things as we can with gas. I have had induction at hole for years and will not change it.
That orange peel and junction box is going to haunt your dreams forever. One day years from now at 2AM your bride to be is going to wake up only to find the galley torn apart and you sanding it down.
Induction is king on a sailboat. The most common severe injury among cruisers is burns. Taking away the second most common reason for burns (a hot cooktop) is an excellent idea, just make sure the pan holders are easy to use correctly and the most common reason for burns (scalding) is minimized to.
And I must say that I like how you brag about your fridge solution in that last shot 😊
My 2 cents-for future reference try to keep hoses/wires/cables parallel,not because it’s nice ,just in troubleshooting and service it would be easier.✌🏻
I've used induction hobs on sailboats and just love them, but I think total reliance on an all electric system when long distance cruising is a bit of a risk. Example, if the generator develops a problem that you can't fix at sea, then you are left without any means of preparing hot food, a bit of a liability in high latitudes. Perhaps it might be an idea to pack a portable single burner stove and a few small disposible gas cannisters to get you out of trouble. They only cost a few dollars and don't take up much space. Then at least you can make a one pot meal.
I feel like welding the turnbuckles was just an excuse to use the new welder, but I approve.
He's lucky it didn't catch fire.
Bill Karoly What would catch fire?
Brian Saben he could of melted the tank or the black protective covers on the metal strapping.
@@briansaben5697 the rubber under the straps. The plastic tank...
Trust in Mads!
Nice milestone your being able to relax and enjoy a hot meal on Athena. Congratulations!
I would round off the corners of the island top.
Väldigt bra video! Du inspirerar mig!
Understand the decision to go with an electric oven. At sea, with gimbals unlocked you’ll find the oven door being open a pain in the butt. The weight and length of the door will add to the motion. This is why I think Force 10’make an oven where the door swings down underneath. Also experience says that food will get spilt around the sides of the cooktop and down under the oven. We have thin sheet stainless steel under the oven which makes cleaning very easy.
I have been at home on the mend from an accident and surgery for the last three months and finding your channel has been a God send. Your style of work (doing it the right way) has made the " perfectionist" in me very happy, add Ava and how obvious it is you two are right for each other, well lets say I have never been disappointed. I will have to say the fuel lines hanging out of a hole in that awesome island has me baffled but I am sure you have a great plan to hide them... right?
BTW thanks for mentioning - Boat Works Today - Andy and his show are really good as well.
Mads, we already cook on our boat with induction hobs. 2 things to help out. Use heatproof silicone discs, reduces sliding and there is a great range of cookware that no only make induction wear, they also have a removable handle so that you can use them in the oven and they are really easy to store. Look up Ingenio. Great Vlogs.
I am building a small sailboat, and the fuel for EVERYTHING will be energy; and still with a good control system, with fuses and battery backup. The technologies are ready, engine for locomotion, stove, heating, hot water, and when they change, nothing installed will be lost. Good winds !
Nothing better than a pizza aboard a boat!
Electric sounds like the logical way to go. I would so the same. It must feel great sitting back and editing a video while cooking a pizza.
Get some silicone mats for the induction top as well as your retention bars. They can handle up to 500 degrees (F) and will not allow your pots and pans to slip and slide. Love your vids, keep 'em coming.
Hi on your instalation for the cooker look at useing 20mm conduit round back boxs the will take glands and are smaller than the j box and inexpensive , i thought you would have isolation valves on the tank. keep up the great project.
"time is short and this (is good enough)" Who are you and what have you done with Mads!? 😂
Mads has spent a lot of time laying out his plans for the boat, but now it just feels like he is rushing things with little forethought.
A schedule is anathama to the cruising lifestyle.
In Mads' place I think I would just rent an apartment for his bride and push the schedule back a year, taking that time to get Obylix ready for sale while he rotates his household from old boat to apartment and finally to Athena as she is ready.
But this is Mads' show -he is calling the shots. They are the ones with their feet on the ground in this situation.
Grommets on the back of the stove mount is a MUST DO. Heat shrink will NOT hold up to the shaffing !!!!!!!
thanks again
Please put something on the cook top to protect it while you continue building the galley unless you want to buy a new one. Dropped tools can do a real number on glass cook tops.
@saillife one thing to consider with the fridge might be a pressure intake valve on the side or in the top of the lid to allow the small vacuum that is going to form when you shut the lid and the air in the fridge cools, with the current lid set up lifting straight up its going to be harder to break the vacuum then on a standard chest fridge/freezer
Mads, in rough weather the corners on the island work surface are an injury waiting to happen. I agree with the comments about the grommets or cable glands. Avoiding explosive vapors is probably a good choice..
Mads, it's great to see all of your hard work paying off. Athena is going to be a fantastic and comfortable boat. Congratulations on your excellent and hard work so far.
the carhartts are breaking in nicely!
I feel your joy of using your new oven. 2 mo ago I moved into my tent trailer and finally got a small fridge w/freezer this week. Oh glorious, glorious cold water. It is the simple things that often inspire the greatest joy.
Regarding the junction box i'd suggest you also try to see if there's enough clearance to the top of the heatplate if the oven is gimbled towards the junction box. Would be a shame if you were cooking something while underway and the junction box would meld because of the heat it gets occasionally when the stove gimbeles in the waves.
Don’t forget where you store that device for programming your tank sensors. When it comes time to need it, don’t want you to have to search for it like some other things you’ve misplaced in the past.
I like how open the salon and galley is
Mads, I'll add my voice to the others over those wires passing through sheet stainless. Even if they dont move and the holes are well rounded gravity is going to push that sheet edge into the wires and I while a bit of heat shrink might delay the process I think eventually you will have lots sparks, oh glorious sparks!
Sparks are just angry pixies escaping confinement.
mount the junction box behind the recess
I would highly suggest you put a rubber or hard plastic grommet in the oven box. The heat shrink is going to rub through before you know it leading to a short. I don't know if you can order from McMaster-Carr but you should get online and take a look. They have everything you could ever use or need.
How about a compromise on the fridge. Leave the large single-surface 'table top' as designed but underneath have three standard compartment doors for easy area access. Or, split the 'table top' in two so either side can be raised for direct but compartmentalized access.
Two comments here. First of all, frozen pizza on a grill is freaking awesome. Second you are going to have issues with the fuel vent line going down before being vented. My 38 foot has had a auxiliary tank added under the aft birth. The vent line runs under the companionway to the opposite side of the boat before going back up to be vented. As soon as you get a little bit of fuel into the vent line because it has a low spot it will sit there and you will have problems filling the tank.
Diesel is way safer then propane and gas. I have seen boats explode with gas fumes settling into the bilge. Its not a thing you forget. If diesel leaks in the bilge, you clean it up, gas gets into the bilge, they zip you in a bag looking like a hot dog.
Having just binged watched the four year mission so far, I couldn't help but recognize some of the journey having gone through something similar with a caravan where behind every layer of what looked like nice paint was a structural nightmare that leaves you wondering if professionals really did build it or it was their first time as well. All up however I have enjoyed the series so far and marveled at the tenacity to endure so much sanding especially fiberglass. Alas I have to agree with some of the comments that the hoses coming out of that fridge would have been better tucked away and out of sight. Even if you cover them they are a trip hazard as much as they are an oddity to the rest of the finish.
you can bet Mads OCD will kick in and that junction box will get moved 🤪
Looking good! One thing I would do for those fuel hoses is get some sort of coding on them to mark the direction of flow. It might save a headache later on.
Love the videos and look forward to watching them when the are released on a Monday Morning here in New Zealand
Just love how you explain your thought process, especially about having your gimbal adjustable for the Southern Hemisphere. so many sailers don't consider this.
Nice job! But i would put the diesel lines in the kitchen out of sight. Induction is far mor efficient and in warm country’s you don’t put hot air in your boat from burning gas. Gas cooking gives you so much spil of heat.
Things are really starting to look like a living area again inside Athena. Enjoy your pizza Mads, you deserve it.
A very nice explaination of the differences between propane and electric. Fair and balanced. Speaking of balanced, I was surprised at how well the stove stayed somewhat level with the oven door open and the gimbal not yet locked. I had expected it to be much worse than that.
I don't know why you can't use a concealed electrical box behind the panel with a stainless steel surface plate on the outside with a hole cut for a 90-degree gland. That would look much neater IMHO with the bulk of the box hidden behind the surface, although I am not sure what you plan to do with all that area behind. I thought it was just a raceway for conduit, plumbing, and other untilities.
Tip I use on frozen pizza that makes them off the charts good. Truffle salt, Italian seasoning, and a light drizzle or spray of olive oil... It makes them taste soooo much better.
Wow, changes to the generator is a great tease.
👍👌🇨🇦❤, happy Sunday Mads, research has it that swearing outloud helps us tolerate pain better, and I have my Danish translator ready,
I’m really impressed with induction cooktop and oven build. Doing a refit of my own and I really look forward to seeing more videos.
very good i like it keep the good work coming
Another great DIY video. Thank you for the distraction of being stuck at home. Hi Ava.
love it
The "TECHNICAL COMPARTMENT". . . . -- pretty dang spiffy!!! :-)
I am amazed at the progress you are making every week - Great work Mads 😊👍