"Bad" Reworks - Champions That Aged Terribly | League Of Legends
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While the VGU initiative in League of Legends has been successful for the most part, there are still a relevant amount of reworks that have aged poorly over the years, leaving them in either a frustrating or unsatisfactory state. Today we'll be discussing some of the "bad" reworks of League of Legends, and go through why they didn't do so well.
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Come on Vars did we really need a 15 minute video on why you think Skarner was more submissive before his rework.
What.
😂 what?
I don't understand 😅
Ayo?
I did understand his argument about the wait we've had to endure to finally see Oiled Up Skarner, got the rework before it was delivered
Lmao, i literally just had a conversation with a friend about how they tried to fix yoricks uninteractive design... by reworking him. Yet he's still as (if not a little more) uninteractive than before. He's less of a lane bully i suppose, but it barely matters when you win lane against yorick anyways since he will just end up splitpushing all game.
90% top do that to be fair he is just a little bit more efficient.
Less of a lane bully? HAH
Every Yorick player, no matter mastery, just farms up ghouls and chucks E at you, chunking your HP if you’re not able to shield or heal.
And you’re 100% right when you say he’s less interactive. All Yorick players either sit under turret and chuck E at you, or they free farm and chuck E at you. He always outsustains you. Unless you’re Nasus.
@@sortilien2099 true, but for me this is a special case. Since they reworked him and he still has the same problems.
@@nicklasveva don't know man, old yorick just spammed his ghouls and you couldn't do anything. This new (current variation i should say) yorick has to actually hit an ability. As much as i love the old yorick (the damn bastard) he didn't have to hit anything on you.
@@TheMikeTrumpet to be honest, I don't think I ever played against a single Yorick pre rework in over 1300 hrs. So maybe I'm biased having only watched videos of him laning.
I badly miss Asol's balls. I wouldn't say I was great with Asol, but I did enjoy his play style, and I do not like the playstyle of his new Q.
Where are my balls, RIOT?
I miss his balls too uwu
same here! now Asol is a grounded stats checker with an execute.
New A sol is not engaging to play. Because of his new passive your whole gameplan is to farm until you're ultra tanky and deal 25% max hp per second with a 33% execute. Old A sol was so damn fun and demanded actual skill to handle his balls correctly
@@milothan-poirier570 Yeah it’s really a shame, I loved how his R used to line people up with his W too, and the minimum Q range made it so he had to be very aware of his positioning, now he just flies away mid-combat with Rylai’s and you can never touch him
Never forget old Aatrox, who was just straight up deleted from the game.
My first ever main, just for them to turn him into a slower, tankier Riven. What a waste of a champ
There are over 150 champions, and for some reason Riot thinks that if a champion has less than 1% pick rate that means they have to "fix" it
It is natural to have popular and unpopular champions,
There is no inherit reason to force a champion to be more popular.
Reworks should aim to fix problems in champion's kit, it shouldn't always aim for high pick rate
Yorick dealing too much damage with his slow E and ghouls => Riot solution = Nerf til unplayable. Meanwhile Yone and Ksante handshaking banging everything. LMAO
@@E_D___ for Riot it is all about SKINS. low pick rate means low skin sales!
as an old yorick player, he was significantly funner before the rework, each ability had a use and a purpose, new yorick is pretty boring...now you either A. Get stomped in lane so you split all game OR B. you stomp lane and teamfight AND splitpush
Vars talking about merging the new asol with his old stars is exactly what I think should’ve happened. His old kit’s main problem was the lack of control over people getting close to him, I think if they want to keep the dragon breath they could make it a flight only ability
aurelion sol to me became a completely new champion, he doesn't feel like his old self anymore, even with the flight, that's the only thing left of him and even that doesn't feel the same because it's not a roaming tool anymore. overall they sacrificed his whole personality and Pretty passionate small group of a sol mains, for general audience so everyone can play him, but now he's so boring that i feel like nobody plays him
Imagine punishing the people for liking a champ YOU DESIGNED to have a high skill ceiling and then nerfing him every time players showed it
Idk I tried playing original Asol and his gameplay was just so annoying to me. It really did not live up to what a space dragon is to me just like what riot said they had an issue with. New asol does have a new ide ntity and it did sacrifice his original fanbase but I think it was for the better. His abilities are awesome now. Broken? Maybe but awesome and id rather fun and broken then boring and unintuitive
Totally agree about the mention of mordekaiser. The one we have now is no longer mordekaiser, is a new champion with a mordekaiser skin
Aatrox is the worst case of this. I miss my boy
Nah, I used to like old morde too (the one before the dragon bs), but new morde is simply a better version of him.
@@austinbrusenhan4068 Aatrox was really cool, I think it’s nice to have more top laners that rely on attack speed other than Kayle and Yone. The whole blood well mechanic was really cool, having to earn your revive, and the W toggle to sacrifice healing for damage is a really neat feature. Now champions one shot you anyway while healing and being invulnerable (Gwen) or have a whole bunch of other overloaded bs you don’t need hands for, that has little to no counterplay, making it frustrating to play against
@@ruschev2 modern mordkaiser is AP Darius
@dankmemes8254 Yep, except they made him even more boring and less cool somehow. They gutted my boy good. You know it's bad when the used-to-be number 1 Morde main quit the game after the rework. Shits tragic.
I miss old league so so sooooo much. All those old champions are just so nostalgic to me and I am still sad that they reworked Swain and Yorick, Kayle, Sion and especially Aatrox, like that. There isn't anything of their old identity left in modern league.
I also miss the old runes and masteries and stacking the same items twice or even thrice on some champions
I also love the old item icons. I wish we could play old League once more even if just for a day or two
Swain should be on here. He is in fact getting reworked again, due to his kit being very incoherent, and his E being a very bad spell
Man I miss my boy ASol so much. Haven't played him more than a handful of times ever since they reworked him.
He was so unique and was one of the only champions in the game that actually HAD to pay attention to his positioning.
Well, he still has to worry about positioning. Probably more so now than before.
@@zoramarslink5788 No way. He can be melee range now and still do damage. Old ASol absolutely HAD to make sure he was hitting enemies with his stars or he'd be useless.
Riot punished asol mains for their champ having a high skill ceiling and floor
@EddyConejo most ranged champions have to pay attention to their positioning in order to not die. Not to mention all the skills in the game where it matters on how you land them, like Darius/Lillia, Camille/Aatrox, Azir, etc.
@@zoramarslink5788 Yeah but unlike them his damage is a little more effective anyway, they have actual workings of positining, all he has to do now is hold a button and hope it does more damage.
Rather add burn inbetween positioning to add it overtime while keeping safety.
I will never forgive the nerf of the frostbutt irelia splash and model
How about we first rework Vanguard to not be Kernel 0-level spyware?
You don't want to give the Chinese government your information?!?
(and before the "you already give it to Google tho why you care now?" arguments come, Google doesn't have literal concentration camps, organ harvesting programs and sexism on a systematic level)
Asol on arena, when you get the star augment , and it becomes old asol Stars, combining with his new e and r, is so satisfying to play ! Like cant they do that, like you suggested? It genuinely feels nice to play, and they all synergise so well
my hope is they make a new champ with an ability simmiler to his balls,they dont even have to make them a midlane mage.
they could make them a lethality AD assassin jungler,i just want a champ to have his balls.
It would make the champ fucking broken, it would force him to be nerfed even further than he already has been since his launch and would force more of his power budget to be put into something people won’t like
Or they could take a look at IO and make him work like that, but no, we have to be clunky
Talk about Malz? His rework got hyped but it just ended up being a huge damage nerf and a token defensive passive.
hyped how? also rip AD malz
Old Malz was so much better. Also, you weren't forced to only build AP, since the malz minions had AD scaling
Missed the opportunity on corki who's rework just got reverted pretty much entirely
riot NEEDS to add ao shin to the game and just make it release asols kit. he was not super unpopular at launch and they deleted what was imo the most fun battle mage in the game. i honestly dont think his og kit would even be op in todays age
Another reason, just to mention, Ryze was a nightmare was his durability back then combined with Spellvamp existing. It made his effective health really high just because of the spamming of spells getting him so much health back really quick.
Part of me wants to consider Gragas a failed rework simply because he was originally a full AP burst mage with almost 0 counterplay to his Q and to this day he's still mainly played as a full AP burst character. The delay on his Q damage doesn't matter when its AP scaling is so monstrously high, he can still 100 to 0 you in an instant
I have seen FULL MR GALIO get blow up in one and half rotation from a 3400HP, almost 0 CD gragas, I do not think he's op, but God damn his ratios tankyness and healing can get pretty stupid sometimes
old Yorick has something most champions dont have. A truly unique and different experience every game, whilst being fun as hell
Maybe I missed it, but have you looked into Soraka's rework? I still miss old Starfall and giving mana to teammates 😭
have you tried playing old soraka in the jungle back then ?
friends calling for a gank : Nurse ? I need mana and health please :D
t'was not very effective but it was fun x)
Her new one is better overall but I far preferred the old one, star fall all day for the win
I really miss old Starfall. It gives Soraka that fun battle mage feel while being a Support, which is rare to nonexistent for Supports nowadays. Now every Enchanter has to play in the backline or they risk getting blown up by damage creep.
A friend of mine always played soraka mid/top as his pocket pick. I was always dumbfounded when I saw the message he killed the enemy laner.
One for all Soraka was amazing back then. Good times...
I love new yorick, and I’ve gotten used to his jank. I think his primary problem is that bruiser just sucks on him. Ghouls get one shotted by everything, even if you go bruiser, so lethality is the only option
I sure do miss Aatrox. I'd be rocking that dude in Arena on the daily, but now he sits, gathering dust in my collection
As an old Yorick otp, I quit playing the champion because its role changed drastically. Pre rework Yorick was kind of a duelist summoner with great splitpush potential, but after the rework he became a juggernaut with the worst ult AI I've ever seen. I play it sometimes but I don't like it as much as previous one (even knowing he needeed the rework so much)
Some people might love Fiddle VGU, but kit-wise he's clunkier than ever. I used to trade all day with QWE, but now it's a no-go with no-ult. The higher the elo, the less likely you're able to get the ultimate off in an effective manner because of vision and knowledge. Back in the day, I could E bounce and melt their team over walls when they come to clear vision prior to objective fights.
The new E can cancel a channel/silence faster, and has more cast-range, but pales in comparison to what his old one did. by late-game I had teams staying worlds-apart from each other to avoid the bounces.
He was my first main, and pentakill. Haven't played more than 5 fames on him since rework.
it brings it flaws defenintly, since fiddle is too relient on it's ultmate for pressure, as w is too restrive, e situational and Q is fun just needs something to follow up.
@@alexcat6685 Absolutely. I was never a fiddle player myself, but he was fun to pick up and play now and then. His old kit was much simpler, but fully functional, especially in 1v1 scenarios. The old W single-target drain was much better sustain than his current AoE drain. I do like the new passive, where he basically gets a free ward+sweeper combo, but the rest of his kit never felt right to me.
His old kit with the bouncing crow that silenced, and the single-target fear was adequate enough to use in teamfights. You simply feared away the most dangerous enemy, and made the fight a lot more favorable to your team, also by bouncing crows, silencing the enemy.
Even if you were behind, you were still a good use to your team. Unlike today's version, if you fall behind on him, you are being a huge detriment to your team.
I loved old asol. He was never baned or heavily nerfed because of his pick rate. I could always play him and most players underestimated the roams and the dmg he had.
Landing a huge Q was even more epic than the new ult.
The rework is so boring, but I still play him out of the love I have for the Champion. It does not have anything that made him fun before.
I remember landing a 4 man giga Q in a baron pit and that felt so insane, sure he was shit early as well back then, but his gameplay didnt consist of just watching someone die while disintegrating their healthbar just with Q....
I don’t think Kayle is bad I just think the game around her does fit her design. She is a champ that wants to farm and level up but late game now is 25 minutes. By the time she’s finally coming online the game is over. I also miss old Yorick he was fun to play. New Yorick feels like his ghouls were an after thought.
i dont think thats true most of my games are going above 30 mins and i ve had a few 1 hour ones . compared to season 13 in my experience games tend to last a bit longer
@@kano101435 Lots and lots and lots of FF15.
I'd trade some lategame power for early ranged attacks
She wasn't really ranged top scum when her range came in at level 11 unconditionally. Now that it's level 6, her players are scum
After thought? Bro most of the time I play against Yorick the Miaden and Ghouls are doing 90% of the damage, their the whole character basically.
I still dont understand the argument that reworks and vgus dont make the company money, as if Irelia, Fiora, Karma, Evelynn, Ahri, Akali, and Ezreal arent at least 10x more profitable now they look and feel incredible to play.
Survey the existing playerbase just before the rework. Look at the champs you mentioned, before they were reworked they already had sizeable playerbases so when you give them a glowup you're guaranteed a sizeable return on investment if you get it right.
Now look at Skarner, in what universe do you turn a profit with Skarner? Now look at Lee Sin and Teemo, you can smell the mint printing RP.
I really miss old Asol :(
As someone who has played quite a lot of games with yorick, i am absolutely fine with how his power budget is split between himslef and his ghouls/maiden. In his current state he is pretty reliable if you know how to play him, I only wish that I could command maiden to move/attack someone like u can with tibbers, even if she had to be first nerfed in stats.
yeah yoricks rework was a pretty tragic failure, its an extremely cool design, but they changed him from a lane bully that essentially never dies, to a splitpushing monster that statchecks anyone in the game if he has ult up, and his ult doesnt even have that long of a cooldown compared to other champs that are SUPPOSED to have more powerful ults, but in reality dont (like for real my boi has that 160/130/100 cooldown and he often builds a lot of cdr, so its usually at like a 70-60 sec cooldown when you have 4 items, whereas shen literally has to take ultimate hunter to get any value out of his ult more than once per game, which does less than yoricks ult
but also just a lil personal opinion on asol, they could literally just swap asol w and smolder e, then apply the stars on new asol flight (smolder e), it makes sense, it makes him more reliable to play, it doesnt force him to go one direction only and be countered by walking to the side, where on the other hand smolders e is only really needed for him to either make an escape or catch up to someone while he weaves in q's and w's while auto attacking, meaning he would still benefit pretty massively even if the flights were swapped
I miss old Mord for having all his abilities referencing metal songs
Yorick's old voice was so much more badass.
"You will remember Yorick Mori"
I absolutely despise the new Kayle design. She went from a menacing angel of justice to another generic Hot Girl™ who plays more like an annoying mosquito that evolves over the game.
I absolutely loved Ryze the moment I touched the champion, coming from an Aphelios main. He was fun, powerful, consistent and skill expressive - except for his ult having nothing to do with the rest of his kit and is dogshit in anywhere but highest pro, and the reward for full-iteming being blown up by a yasuo/adc with just half of your money. It's absolutely disgusting how little Ryze does compared to current Asol despite being arguably much harder to play, even Brand - who punishes enemies for piling on top of him - even Cass, who has much better kiting and single target damage. I just wish he could do anything else on ult - get a massive shield, spell vamp, even constant mana regen for a short time, move speed/burn after each spell flux - but he just doesn't do enough at all and feels so underwhelming. Riot should really do something about such an iconic champion being low pick rate despite having the potential to be the Garen of Mages
He must be reverted to his 8.9 version with 6 rank Q, 2 rank R and shields with single-target stacking E. This is the only way we save our blue Jesus from oblivion
@@user-hc4rr5cw4ggood lord, he even remembers the exact patch 😭
I fucking hate how I think in the devblog about ASOL the dev said smth like "we made ASOL have the fantasy of a dragon breathing fire", except HE'S A FUCKING ASIAN DRAGON, which almost never breath fire
Edit: After reading the replies I came to a conclusion that my problem with new Asol isn't that he breath's fire, my problem is that that's his main gameplay now, sit around and breath fire, not controlling stars
"What are dragons known for? Breathing fire! What else are dragons known for? Flying! So we let him fly while breathing fire. 😌"
I mean, dragon, breath fire? I don't see how that doesn't make sense
He's not really asian, he's a cosmic dragon, it's just a fictional character he can have asian characteristics and still have western ones as well
Wack company
They don't need to copy everything about chinese dragons, they can add their own twist to every character inspired from real world culture
I don't think Old Irelia was as stat checky as you're saying. Her E needing timing and understanding the fight to know if a slow is as good as it gets or knowing if you should wait for the stun was a cool interaction. Positioning yourself to ult changed a lot the amount of heal you'd receive and her W having duration made her open for clear windows when she was vulnerable. She also had 2 play styles on laning phase depending if you wanted long or shorter trades with one leveling E and the other W which is pretty interesting IMO.
There is nothing wrong at being an auto attacker besides of what Riot seems to think and I honestly think old Irelia was more nuanced than current Jax, a "similar" champion.
Ik it got its own video but I will never forgive the Swain rework
I think it would be cool if Asol's old passive moved more like an atom model instead of the fixed orbit movement
Idk if it's mentioned in this video but I miss old Galio, or at least his old ult, was such an epic ultimate
Imagine designing a champion to have a high skill floor and really good skill expression empasizing positioning but then punish mains anytime they do well for years and then replace it with a Veigar VGU
Asol didnt have a place in league apparently but Yuumi does?
Tell me, please tell me that Galio was gunna be covered.
Don't give me wrong he is completely functional now and very fun BUT not in comparison to his OLD version! 😢
😂
Old Yorick could have been a great support champ. People slept on his potential.
Is it possible to vgu modern champs?
As a person that plays mostly lethality yorick mid I feel offended
Love the new video!
and what do you think about old aatrox vs new aatrox?
Kayle's ult is the worst part for me, she has free reign to do whatever she wants while I have to run for my life, it's like trynda's ult, press R to outplay
I mean i just cc lock them for there ult Direction
Yeah it’s really stupid, especially on a scaling champion that can kill you in 2-3 autos. I also hate Rengar’s W, Briar’s E and Bel’Veth’s E, etc, for the same reason. It feels really dumb getting point-and-click one shot by someone while you’re not even allowed to figh back, and often you have to burn Flash or Ult just to survive, while those champions lose nothing. It’s just terrible game design. Gwen W is another I hate, both for the fact it blocks all exterior damage, but it also grants her a lot of bonus resistances, and with her already high base resistance scaling, she becomes a tank with only Steelcaps (not to mention the amount of healing she gets from her passive, which always deals 70% of her total damage as %HP regardless of how many abilities she misses. Seriously fuck that champ’s design)
They changed Kayles ult to be more frustrating to play vs,her ult now has 0.5s cast and has a larger dmg radius
It's compensated by her nonexistent early game
@@D00ML0RD1 the champs I play only have 1 second cc. And with cho'gath is not really reliable to land Q, specially with all the movement both those have
would love a video about fighters not intended to be a support but still being one like pantheon, sett and chamile.
You're not alone on the A-Sol comment Vars. I had that same thought about the kit and old stars shortly after his rework dropped.
when did you change you pfp and why?
11:22 I totally agree. When i started playing league about 2 years ago i loved old asol, but i was still a noob so i played other champs to get the hang of the game. I started to main a more difficult and underperforming champ because i liked her design and playstyle (just like old asols) this was when Taliyah got reworked. It was known back then already that an asol rework was coming so i didnt feel there was any point in learning him just for it to be useless later.
I love his voice lines, his model is amazing and his character concept is stellar. He is just soo boring to play and imo has kayle syndrome
A friend bet that I wouldn’t main Asol when I first played, got him m7 like the day before or day after the rework and never touched him again due to how much I hated it.
easy fix on aurelion sol: (Edit: i wrote this comment before watching the aurelion sol part XD)
keep his orbiting stars and old W but merge it into one ability, where at lvl 0 he has 0 stars orbitting him, and level up gives him one, 3 lvl 2, and 5th 3
keep his new flight, it's fine
keep his new passive
keep his new E and R
he really doesn't need his stupid breath attack
make it so if you hit 3 orbs you deal extra damage but it works in a way that if you miss, the 3 stack passive resets so it adds a reward to positioning good, keeps his old dynamic playstyle while being useful with the new spells
the reason why they never added more stars for old asol is because it does wonky things for your DPS. if he goes from one star to two it literally doubles his damage output for example. it makes for extremely sharp and frustrating powerspikes that are hard to balance around.
What if they used the stars, in conjunction with the stacking passive. Each stack giving the stars a slightly increased rotation speed (a teeny tiny amount). It would not be too hard to balance properly either.
As a Mundo main, I like what they did with his rework. They kept most of his kit the same, but now he has an actual passive
On old asol q, I feel if they made it where you can hold q and his stars will rotate in an elipse following your cursor up to a certain range and had his stars rotate a little faster when he wasn't just hold using q would have helped him while not killing his whole character
I miss old Asol, I would return to the game if I could get those rotating stars again
I've mostly been playing close-quarter playstyles in League since Season 3, I'll just yap for champs and reworks that I reached Mastery 6 or higher for those who'd like a long read.
1. As long as there exists a way for Ryze to scale both ways between AP and Mana, he's never going to find a healthy spot; either he's an unkillable battlemage w/ tank+mana items while still AoE-gunning your team, or too weak to do either.
2. ASol was unique and fun back then, a battlemage with very satisfying "boops" with his star orbits-but is overshadowed by how depressing it is to fight any champ that dashes within his "no-no zone". Now, he's constantly spewing fire (even though lore-wise he views biting as "uncouth", and insists that stardragons only reserve their breaths for a dire situation or a grand finale). Vars is correct, he just needed abilities to consistently force enemies into his orbit like his current E+R.
3. Goodness, it's so polarizing to play Kayle. Back then you're a part-time ranged AP Tryndamere. Now, you're susceptible to being bullied even by a Nasus/Dr. Mundo until reaching Lvl 13 with 2-3 items. It's even worse when you realize that she can't go ideally anywhere else but Toplane if you really want to reach Lv16 ASAP.
4. I miss Volibear Q flip and E knockback. I know, they had to differentiate his Q from Singed E, plus apparently a lot of his teammates' skill issues are exposed by that displacement (missing skillshots when Voli flips the target)... But having an AoE cc, even just a short one, just makes so much sense on a godbear. Also helps with his job as a tank/juggernaut, but Riot said "Nope we goin' Ohmwrecker turret diving for 2 seconds."
5. Mordekaiser = AP Darius now. Made him more satisfying to play? Probably w/ isolated Q, but that's it. Instead of having the ability to command the dead enemy, he just gets THEIR HIGHEST BONUS STATS. Effective? Yes. Respects either his original or his new identity? Nope.
6. Skarner is good now. A bit too good in terms of CC (and also with his poke, as evident in pro play). However, now that his kit doesn't scale with anything major but HP and maybe Ability Haste, he's now even more reliant on having decent teammates than ever before. Also he's now a xenophobic boomer, lol.
7. As a Lv32 Aatrox main: STOP SAYING IT WAS BETTER THEN: HE WAS A BAD MASTER YI WITH A G.A. PASSIVE UNTIL TWO PATCHES BEFORE HIS REWORK. HE'S NOT RIVEN 2.0 EITHER, HE NEEDS PREP AND SPACING BEFORE ALL-INS; WHEREAS SHE'S GOOD TO RUSHDOWN WHENEVER. Do I miss the revive? Sometimes, but it's not necessary and not as much as I miss Old Aatrox E being a unique narrowing skillshot, ALONG WITH A FEW PATCHES AGO WHEN HIS CHAIN USED TO PULL CONSISTENTLY. XD
Bias up front, I was one of the few people who old asol really clicked with. But new asol sucks balls. He's like veigar ult became a champion. Not fun to play as or against. Personally, I think all old asol really needed was passive ghosting. The most frustrating part of playing him was minions pushing you out of range during ur w. Getting rid of that would've made him tolerable for the people who loved him, less intimidating to pick up as a new player, and most importantly wouldn't mean getting rid of a playstyle you cannot find anywhere else. Don't get me wrong, he'd still have a reasonably low pickrate, but there's 150+ champs in league, there's obviously room on that roster for niche champions.
I'm glad someone else has noticed that he could reasonably pass as a Veigar VGU I was the same.
I miss volibears flip so much...
gotta do a video on tahm kench they fumbled the bag so hard with that rework
I usually hate mage but i had a lot of fun playing old aurelion sol 😢i miss him
I miss Asol q and w, making a galaxy as you fly by just felt good, then style on them with your movement just felt good
I would rather they go back and remove Yone, I have a recording where Yone chased me past THREE Turrets and killed me. I DODGED EVERYTHING Yone threw at me, I dodged his Q knock up, I dodge his ult, if I could doge it I evaded it.
The problem with the Kayle rework is that they took a champion who had four mediocre but fine abilities and a mediocre but fine passive and gave her four slightly less mediocre abilities and a completely awful passive. If Kayle didn't have her terrible passive she'd still be fine: she'd still have her build capabilities of being played as a top laner, ADC, or even a weird hybrid support akin to Senna. But currently Kayle doesn't do anything until she hits level 6 which means she's locked out of any lane other than top.
old Yorick was fine, he just needed a kit modernization. Give him hard cc maybe on W and some mobility like a conditional dash on E like azir and he will slide right in.
Bro I can’t watch old asol clips it actually makes me too sad
Talking about champions who had their previous identity removed in exchange for a rework and not mentioning Poppy or Mordekaiser (both of his reworks) feels like a crime. They changed Poppy from this Juggernaut to a full tank with any attempt at going full damage being nerfed in some regard if it even has the chance to exist. While Mordekaiser had that happen to him twice. Being changed from his original version to a bot laner for some reason then again with his vgu to something that really isn't even slightly close to either version except you can sometimes have metal floating around you.
pls make a video about the big class updates back then when they reowrked adcs, assasins, mages. Would be so nice to see cuz alot of the reworks got reverted
I would argue that old Yorick wasn't that bad. A stat check champ able to hide his true power until he goes all in actually allows some interesting baiting. I had a lot of fun hitting people with a knowledge check on a character they are not used to fight
FOr most of the "failed" reworks, it just felt like they needed more time to cook.
Another sizeable midscope would help those champs out a LOT.
With Yorick, for example, the biggest problem is that his Ghouls almost feel like a seperate part of his kit. The thing that makes lethality yorick fun is that his ghouls feel fun - and ghouls are the coolest part of his kit. A proper follow up to yorick would be trying to combine his ghoul and juggernaut playstyles. He also has just aged badly as splitpushing as a strategy has aged kinda horribly.
Some champs, like Galio, just need a proper touch up - less than a midscope, but more than a somewhat involved patchnote. All those lukewarm number changes they do to him dont solve any problems satisfyingly.
But there are also some examples of the rework just introducing a lot of(actually pretty obvious) problems: Kayle is a good example. Hyper latregame focused champs do not work well in league, as they are too polarizing. Riot realized that and pulled a lot of lategame power out of kayle in favor of midgame power... but at that point, they shouldve asked themselves "Cant we do something better with Kayle, now that being a lvl 16 carry isnt the only thing she can do?".
I still find Akali to be just egregious. I mean, she is at her worst in toplane, but she has the big problem of having all cards in hand - a good enough akali "outplays" all of her weaknesses(Think I even heard a rioter recently talking about that) - that's a design fail, cause that will forever dictate her balance state.
Yorick’s ghoul mechanics need some smoothing over but aside from that he’s not really *that* bad imo
one of my issue with reworks too is they dont do what they did with gangplank, an event around him and gamemode was really cool and fun
i always was so frustrated with riot for completely removing his passive
the way they could've just brought his new E and R and made passive still endlessly skaling on stars
giving him extra star on every 50 stacks, capping at 8 stars and after just increasing the max health % dmg of the passive
I disagree with irelias rework mostly because i think you missed one main thing about reworks.
Those old champs were eating their respective creative space.
Lets use Aatrox as an example. Greatsword weilding being of death is a hugely applicable thematic that a lot of people would enjoy. But does old Aatrox feel like hes weilding a greatsword? Not really, but he was still eating the thematic space. Nocturn is another example of this. He doesnt really hit the horror of the shadows thematic with his kit, and if he was reworked they might not preserve parts of his current kit just for nostalgia when that would defeat the purpose of making an actual horrors of the dark themed champ.
To my point irelia feels way more like a blade dancer now where as before she felt more like a muscle brawler akin to Vi or Jarvan.
But thats just my 3 cents.
Yeah I love Irelia’s rework too, it adds a lot more skill expression and counterplay to her kit. The only issue is her passive + Bork absolutely deleting you when she shouldn’t be strong enough to, I wish she had less on-hit damage and relied more on needing to hit her abilities or something. It’s like how Yone and Yasuo were with Lethal Tempo, running you down with just autos, not even needing to Q..
I agree with this, except with the part about old aatrox, he never was intended to be using a big sword, he was a demon-thing artisan of war who used a way thinner sword that he uses know (and he did lift it with just one hand) the actual aatrox could fit perfectly his old style, the only mistake was making him Riven 2.0
@@obsessedwithcats exactly this, also I would mention the fact that Irelia (and other champions like yone and yasuo to be fair) shouldn't be able to build any tank item like jak'sho just because they already have they "two damaging items"
@@giovannicampostrini6309 new Aatrox feels like his older brother that came and said 'stop stinging them like a bee and make place for big boys, i'll show you how to flat them to the ground', but why he's so ugly;/ Besides explanation that it was boring is dull, he had a attack range (475 afair)/dmg buff on ult, but Kayle has it permanent and on steroids...and she somehow isn't played in pro and Aatrox actually was
@@model84 nah, totally the opposite, new aatrox feels like his the bratty spoiled younger brother who blames everyone for what he has passes through, old aatrox did have a way cooler personality, the new one is just overputting things on the champ thinking it would make him cooler like "yeah make him more angry, bigger and with a bigger sword" but in the end it just feels meh
the w change gave xin zhao more target access, but moving the atk speed steroid to the dash interferes with said target access. If the knockup went to dash and the atk speed went to q empowered autos, he could at least choose whether to empower himself against the melee infront of him, or the marksman he's trying to space to.
Sion would also be decent candidate for this list, not because his rework is bad. But because his rework somehow got outdated again. Playing the champion into most popular top laners just feels bad and the champion has a lot of "feels bad" bugs, like his Q updating only once every 8 server ticks, his R being able to collide with player made terrain that shouldn't actually hit, or it just spaces out completely. Or even with 1 of the baron pits their is a bit of wall to visible from most camera angles where Sion ult can collide with and with the terrain changes of this season, the ult just became generally worse
This is something I was just talking with my sister regarding Aurelion Sol. His old passive MUST be reinstated. In my opinion, here's what I would do to fix Aurelion:
Regain old passive and Q.
Retain current W, E, and R.
That said, I like the idea of making Center of the Universe his new Q mixed in with his W toggle.
I agree on Asol - but I really dont think old Irelia was better -I played her excessivly - but not anymore after rework - but I still share the opinion that her rework made her a better champ.
I was an old Asol main.
The rework was good for business, but... I hate that we had to give up old Asol for it. He was uncomfortable to learn, but he was extremely rewarding once you did.
Current Asol is nothing like the the old one. Riot basically told everyone who loved the old playstyle to f*** off.
Old Mordekaiser and Swain were my favorite champs. I played them a ton and now I can't find anyone to main since they're gone.
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As someone who mained old Sol and still mains him to this day, I love what the rework has done to him. His abilities feel so much better, and now I can actually use bushes.
New Asol is WAY better than the old one. Those people who think old Asol is better are trippin
Damn your Aurelian fix is so good
We need a video of the best reworks
add rell. from a rell main her whole personality disappeared with her tether
It would be cool if you made a long form video detailing their life. It would be a lot of effort but it would add a whole new layer to them. Short form might work better depending on whatever you feel like. Anyway cool cat
Imagine A Champ That Has An Orbit Passive Like Old Asol. Maybe A Robot Champ With Drones That Orbit And Act As Very Small Hitbox Spell Shields That Can Tank An Enemy Skillshot.
I mean recently they changed Kayle ult to be able to attack while you use it
NEW PFP!!!
new color looks sick
I cant believe you didnt mention the Rell rework. Literally ruined the champion.
As an old asol main, THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE SAME OPINION I FEEL LIKE IM GOING INSANE BEING THE ONLY ONE TO FEEL THIS WAY i hate his Q his kit feels so stat-checky “hold q and if the enemy does less damage than you they die trying to kill you while you hold Q so skill expressive” i hate the optimal way to play around it is with dinky q-tap poking just let me kite and space with his stars riot PLEASE
Old Morde (Post S5 Bruiser Update) - literally just needed current Morde's E and fixing the spaghetti code ult in order to be a cool champ. RIP drake ghostie
Asol had one of the most unique kits in the game and no one really feels like the old Asol. I HATE NEW ASOL.
Old Asol but with Singularity on his Q would've been so good man... I don't care that we lose a stun, the slow and pull is way more fun to use and would work perfectly with his orbiting stars. I also would've kept his old ult, maybe reduce the range and the cooldown to give him more of a peel potential
i think the problem with asol stars is that they would have to reduce his dmg and up his cc to account for aoe dmg and he would be turned into a sup.
rn his q can be body blocked so it gets punished by asol and the enemy positioning
New asol has high playrate because new asol is super easy to play and extremely stat-checky. Even low and mid elo players spam him.
Just a silly idea, but thinking about it it might just work. With the show Arcane Rito added the paralel world feel/impression, and with Zilean and Ekko being time manipulators they can launch a new event, where a chrono disaster caused past versions of reworked champions to show up. Either have them as playable characters, or enemy, or both. Imagine old AP Sion vs today's HP harvesting hulk.
Garen OTP: I actually think Kayle comes online a lot earlier than people give her credit for, at least she has a lot more agency than her reputation imply. She's similar to Mundo during 1-6 vs melee champs, using her poke and movespeed buff to try to gain an advantage while keeping good spacing. And once she hits 6 she basically turns into a ranged top laner making it very easy for her to farm. And she doesn't need to kill her opponent to gain a lead, simply going Even in CS for the first 10 minutes means she's gaining an advantage.
I hate playing against Kayle because when she is played right it's relatively easy for her to have a safe easy laning phase while securing good CS. At the same time, her mere presence in game places the pressure on her opposing laner to make the most of her weak 1-6 to try to get a significant lead, and to snowball that lead enough by minute 25 to have essentially won the game, because the longer the game goes on there is always the threat that kayle will reach 1v9 scaling potential.
I was a beast Taric main back in the day. He was so camp, with a straitgorward and easy to underestimate kit. Heck there would be times when bot lane went so well that I could go mid lane and 1v1 the Yasuo with my crazy armor. Now he's just some dork who won't shut up about his precious mountain and never has any mana. New Taric is only ever useful for abusing cheese strats