1957 is one of my favorite years of Lionel, mainly because of the J-Class and Canadian Pacific and Rio Grande F3s. Those made that year one of the most colorful.
Always interesting to see what they showed in the advanced catalog and what the final product was. I'm sure in the beginning the Lionel team still had not finalized all of the products. The cop and hobo car is a prime example. Showing in NYC, but actually produced as and Erie. The Super 'O' track was great as it was more realistic. However, it was brutal on the pickup rollers. So many items I have acquired needed roller replacement due to the groove they had. As for the operating dealer displays, Lionel was really creative. They all have a lot of play value and contain a lot of action with all the operating accessories. Thanks for posting Brian.
yeah, love exploring the advanced catalogs and the gems hidden inside. The cop and hobo the 202 and others. Wow, Love the super O track,!. Thanks, Brian
I find the super O track is not brutal on rollers IF the rollers are kept clean and free rolling. I've seen rollers cut in half from tubular rail due to lack of maintenance. I suppose a young hobbyist wouldn't always keep the rollers clean, so maybe that could be an issue. But then, the guy who owned the pieces with cut up rollers never cleaned his either.
@@modelrailpreservation Possible. A few pieces that I acquired had a very narrow groove in the rollers. Wouldn't surprise me that there was no lubercation put on the rollers and assembly.
Thanks, actually the lack of color was standard for the advanced and dealer catalogs. It was because it was quickly put together and it was more cost effective to just print these catalogs in 2 colors. All of the dealer display and most of the advanced catalogs are limited colors. So many gems shown In these catalogs that are fun to see! Brian
Loved 1957 since the 746 came out. Plus there were some great accessories that were coming out. Love seeing what displays the dealers could purchase for sales.
Hello Brian. What a great advance catalog. What an exciting year 1957 was. The anticipation and high hopes was shown in that catalog. Great job presenting it. You did it clear and concise. Well done. I look forward to another exciting video from you. I was hoping to meet you this year at York, but I have to cancel due to some health concerns. Hopefully we’ll get a chance to meet at the Spring York Train meet. Tom
Thank you for the comment, I really appreciate the input!. Look forward to meeting up with you and talking trains next year at Spring York. Take care of yourself!. Brian
Hey Brian that was great - so much fun going from page to page and really taking everything in - 1957 Lionel - probably my favorite year Thanks again - PS hope to see you at York
Totally agree, love the 1957 offerings and the beginning of Super O. Yes, I will be at York this year, look out of me and please say hi !. Thanks,Brian
Good question, I image some collectors may have used the display layouts as a guide to get started, but until recently, there has not been a ton of information about the display layouts out there. Roger Carps book on dealer displays is a great resource, but is only a few years old. Old Catalogs and past auction results were the only real way to get the details, or spend big money on an original!. (or get lucky!). Thanks, good discussion point!. Brian
I have the Santa Fe engine and tender. Had it since I was 2 or 3. Have super O track, will like to get it all working before I go to the big turntable in the sky.
Brian, does your version have the marketing letter enclosed? I bought one in a lot of paper and was surprised to find a two-page letter on Lionel stationary talking about the marketing changes that were made for this year.
There can’t be many of any of the versions of those layouts left. They have to go for some crazy money. I would purchase a premade layout as I like running trains and have no interest in creating scenery.
So, yes and no. Believe it or not there are a good number of the dealer layout in existence. There certainly are some that are much harder to find than others, but they do pop up. Some may be in rough condition and will need to be cleaned and track replaced, but they are out there. You pay for condition and rarity, some do go for lots of money, but others are very reasonable based on the time you would have needed to reproduce! Most 4x8 and 5x9's are attainable. Brian
I get a kick out of seeing the mockups, such as the New York Central cop and hobo gondola. The 1949 consumer catalog showed the milk car with a Southern Pacific logo. Recreating these mockups allows one to expand their roster and road names without straying too far from reality. Instead of a total flight of fantasy, it becomes 'if they actually produced this...'
Yeah, love exploring the old catalogs. Amazing to see what they were thinking and then what was produced. The mock-ups served the purpose of providing something for the catalog artist to work with and it is so cool when a real one shows up!. Thanks for the comment. Brian
@@BriansTrainRoom I think it was the 1954 advance catalog that showed a proposed Union Pacific GP-7 and matching caboose, which got as far as a prototype made for New York Toy Fair, but was never actually made. I did take a later 6167 Union Pacific caboose, swap the body onto an early premium style frame (Ladders, toolbox, lights) and painted the roof and added the smokestack, so I had a caboose that matched my 2023 ALCOs. I've never actually seen this catalog, if you ever get a copy I would love to see it in a video.
6:40: I wonder how many of your viewers knows what "crack" used to mean (as in 'crack streamliner') ? It used to mean the best or the fastest. Mind alterating yes, but not chemically.
Good to know, I figured that it held more significance than today. Crack means something different to each generation for sure!. Cool stuff. Thanks, Brian
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1957 is one of my favorite years of Lionel, mainly because of the J-Class and Canadian Pacific and Rio Grande F3s. Those made that year one of the most colorful.
Yeah, 1957 was great, those engines are fantastic for sure!. B
Always interesting to see what they showed in the advanced catalog and what the final product was. I'm sure in the beginning the Lionel team still had not finalized all of the products. The cop and hobo car is a prime example. Showing in NYC, but actually produced as and Erie. The Super 'O' track was great as it was more realistic. However, it was brutal on the pickup rollers. So many items I have acquired needed roller replacement due to the groove they had. As for the operating dealer displays, Lionel was really creative. They all have a lot of play value and contain a lot of action with all the operating accessories. Thanks for posting Brian.
yeah, love exploring the advanced catalogs and the gems hidden inside. The cop and hobo the 202 and others. Wow, Love the super O track,!. Thanks, Brian
I find the super O track is not brutal on rollers IF the rollers are kept clean and free rolling. I've seen rollers cut in half from tubular rail due to lack of maintenance. I suppose a young hobbyist wouldn't always keep the rollers clean, so maybe that could be an issue. But then, the guy who owned the pieces with cut up rollers never cleaned his either.
@@modelrailpreservation Possible. A few pieces that I acquired had a very narrow groove in the rollers. Wouldn't surprise me that there was no lubercation put on the rollers and assembly.
Hey Brian, 57 was an awesome year, I guess the lack of color in the catalog was a sign that money was tight. Cool stuff!
Thanks, actually the lack of color was standard for the advanced and dealer catalogs. It was because it was quickly put together and it was more cost effective to just print these catalogs in 2 colors. All of the dealer display and most of the advanced catalogs are limited colors. So many gems shown In these catalogs that are fun to see! Brian
Loved 1957 since the 746 came out. Plus there were some great accessories that were coming out. Love seeing what displays the dealers could purchase for sales.
No doubt, love 1957. The announcement of the J in the advanced catalog was awesome, they knew they had a winner!. Always cool displays. Thanks, Brian
Thanks for showing us these Lionel historic items. Very interesting!🙏🙏👍
Thanks, love the old catalogs and the interesting gems hidden inside. Lots of stuff to look for!. Brian
Who knew? 75 years later,folks are still shopping their catalog.
Money well spent.
Yes, I would! Great stuff Love the old catalogs, especially the dealer cats! Thanks. Brian
Very nice! Those old catalogs are so cool. It would certainly be great to have one of those displays, for sure. An excellent video, as always.
Yeah, those older displays are just so cool and action packed. Thanks. Brian
displays are great
Yeah, love the original dealer displays, will try and show as many as I can to you guys!! Brian
Hello Brian. What a great advance catalog. What an exciting year 1957 was. The anticipation and high hopes was shown in that catalog. Great job presenting it. You did it clear and concise. Well done. I look forward to another exciting video from you. I was hoping to meet you this year at York, but I have to cancel due to some health concerns. Hopefully we’ll get a chance to meet at the Spring York Train meet. Tom
Thank you for the comment, I really appreciate the input!. Look forward to meeting up with you and talking trains next year at Spring York. Take care of yourself!. Brian
Hey Brian that was great - so much fun going from page to page and really taking everything in - 1957 Lionel - probably my favorite year
Thanks again - PS hope to see you at York
Totally agree, love the 1957 offerings and the beginning of Super O. Yes, I will be at York this year, look out of me and please say hi !. Thanks,Brian
Great video
Thanks, these are great catalogs with super cool hidden gems in them!. Brian
I wonder how many of us have attempted to recreate these displays from the ground up as a home layout? I never have myself, but I wish that I had.
Good question, I image some collectors may have used the display layouts as a guide to get started, but until recently, there has not been a ton of information about the display layouts out there. Roger Carps book on dealer displays is a great resource, but is only a few years old. Old Catalogs and past auction results were the only real way to get the details, or spend big money on an original!. (or get lucky!). Thanks, good discussion point!. Brian
I have the Santa Fe engine and tender. Had it since I was 2 or 3. Have super O track, will like to get it all working before I go to the big turntable in the sky.
That is what is so great about those older trains, they work and still bring back those childhood memories. Thanks for sharing. Brian
Neat seeing all the displays. On the back cover- what are "electros"?
Love the question, I don't know, but I will ask around! ODD! Thanks, Brian
Brian, does your version have the marketing letter enclosed? I bought one in a lot of paper and was surprised to find a two-page letter on Lionel stationary talking about the marketing changes that were made for this year.
No, mine did not. That is so cool. Any chance you can send a copy to me to review. Brianstrainroom@gmail.com. Thanks. Brian
There can’t be many of any of the versions of those layouts left. They have to go for some crazy money. I would purchase a premade layout as I like running trains and have no interest in creating scenery.
So, yes and no. Believe it or not there are a good number of the dealer layout in existence. There certainly are some that are much harder to find than others, but they do pop up. Some may be in rough condition and will need to be cleaned and track replaced, but they are out there. You pay for condition and rarity, some do go for lots of money, but others are very reasonable based on the time you would have needed to reproduce! Most 4x8 and 5x9's are attainable. Brian
I get a kick out of seeing the mockups, such as the New York Central cop and hobo gondola. The 1949 consumer catalog showed the milk car with a Southern Pacific logo. Recreating these mockups allows one to expand their roster and road names without straying too far from reality. Instead of a total flight of fantasy, it becomes 'if they actually produced this...'
Yeah, love exploring the old catalogs. Amazing to see what they were thinking and then what was produced. The mock-ups served the purpose of providing something for the catalog artist to work with and it is so cool when a real one shows up!. Thanks for the comment. Brian
@@BriansTrainRoom I think it was the 1954 advance catalog that showed a proposed Union Pacific GP-7 and matching caboose, which got as far as a prototype made for New York Toy Fair, but was never actually made. I did take a later 6167 Union Pacific caboose, swap the body onto an early premium style frame (Ladders, toolbox, lights) and painted the roof and added the smokestack, so I had a caboose that matched my 2023 ALCOs. I've never actually seen this catalog, if you ever get a copy I would love to see it in a video.
6:40: I wonder how many of your viewers knows what "crack" used to mean (as in 'crack streamliner') ? It used to mean the best or the fastest. Mind alterating yes, but not chemically.
Good to know, I figured that it held more significance than today. Crack means something different to each generation for sure!. Cool stuff. Thanks, Brian