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Best IT person is the one that looks like they are doing nothing and everything is running fine.
my father was an admin, and once they complained about him to director that he was not doing anything
The director cut it off by saying he was going to pay for his coffee right away because it meant system work fine
Just like my grandpa's successful 'Elephant Repeller'*.
[A joke jug mounted to a stake in the yard. We lived on Michigan. 😂 ]
Yeah.... The admin is doing nothing and lazy as hell.... and you can fire him... yep.... untill they got an issue...all hell went lose
IT and security/military suffer from the same problem. When everything is fine, people question why they are there/needed. Only when it goes to crap do they realize why.
If IT isn’t doing anything then everything is ok.
If you punish an employee and they smile... be afraid, be very afraid. They know something you don’t.
If you sysadmin smiles when you reprimand them, you are clueless enough to not notice.
knows this from experience 😈😈😈😈😈😈
Don't mess with IT people. Geeks makes the world go around in ways you can't begin to fathom.
And more importantly, they can REALLY FUCK THINGS UP in truly catastrophic ways when you Piss them Off...
Specially if they play Eve online. That's evil level strategist we are talking about.
Any IT guy is dangerous, but Eve online players aren't be be messed with at all.
“Ah-ah-ahhh! You didn’t say the magic word!”
Don't piss off the wizard.
@@HappilyHomicidalHooligan p0l o
"Per project manager, maintenance is now scheduled for daytimes...."
There is one big thing that OP should have done: they should have let people know this was forced on them by the director and the new PM. This was not OP's choice, so the others in the office had no reason to be mad at OP, they should be complaining to the Director.
she should also have bend told not comment on anything above her station unless asked. I wonder If something was going on between her and one or more of the higher ups
Having listened to countless Reddit stories, I’ve learned that there are 2 thing you should NEVER MESS WITH: IT department and trees.
so much this lol
Why shouldn’t you mess with trees?
@@joperez1980 if you mess with someones trees, you usually end up facing tens of thousands of dollars.
you pay for the life of the tree, not just the "value" of the wood of the tree
@@joperez1980 trees can be worth millions in a lawsuit. Emotional attachment to a tree, sentimental attachments etc...
@@joperez1980 tree law. It's a great subreddit.
I always tell my boss, If I am being casual and look bored then I am doing my job right, If you see me running around and stressing, sh** has hit the fan.
That's one of the important things I was taught early in my professional career. "Never run. If people see you run, they know that something's wrong. They might even panic. And even if the roof collapses, move at the slowest possible speed at which you can still prevent harm."
"Our old agreement is no longer valid" is not valid. There's literally no point in having an agreement if it can change arbitrarily. That idea dispenses with the entire category of contract law like it's nothing.
I’ve altered the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.
Your contract only stipulates what kind of work and how many hours a week and whether it is day time or night time where I live.
Within those perimeters, your work place can change it around quite a bit.
Any special agreements like the one allowing him to take day off after an all-nighter, needs to be in writing and even then it can be changed in some situations.
Didn’t sound like OP had their original agreement in writing and like they had a boss with no clue wtf IT does too. Good on them for getting both new agreements in writing so they couldn’t be blamed for anything.
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It is a rather strange disparity in this story. OP says in the end that’s it’s very hard to fire someone in his/her country. Therefore there must be strong workers rights laws in force . Yet the director can declare a written agreement no longer valid on a whim ?
@@BartSliggers Not all details of a job are in written agreements.
Or perhaps working specific hours on certain days WAS the written agreement, but he had a verbal agreement from the boss allowing him to ignore the written agreement.
But, if they want to be a dick, of course the written would supersede a verbal agreement.
I did electrical installation and maintenance for 25 years. I did my best to work around the offices and equipment, keeping as much power on as possible. I normally never had a problem with the owners or employees. Occasionally I would run into someone who was impossible to work with. In that case, I would shut down as much equipment and office power as I could and let them deal with it. The more complaints I got, the slower I went. Usually, after a day or so, even the biggest SOBs would figure it out and leave me alone to finish my work.
yeah as IT let us do our thing when we want.
i love how OP even worked late from probably 1AM to 6 or even 10AM i learned from my uncle its a tough fucking job...
but damn does it pay well. and u have the most random shit going wrong sometimes i love it.
one day its just updates as usual and i play some handheld on the side. other days i cant get sleep for 2 days. because people fucked stuff up so bad, it needs a full reset.
@@miciso666 doesnt pay nearly as well as it used to.
“Project manager” already a major red flag there.
They should've been SACKED for causing that issue .
@@Warrickomega - Director was boning her, that could be seen by the fact he told OP what needs to be done after having talked to her about it.
not a red flag but it's the fucking red planet
@@Ryanthusar she probaly was fired after the event or atleast moved to a different location
@@jessejamesmanfred6319 a couple of hours after the upgrade started, everyone knew who was to blame for it (not the system administrator)
probably the lady was "very popular" in the following weeks, so much so that she most likely ran away on her own
I am sorry but i would have been the person at the end saying "I don't want the old agreement. I enjoyed going home at the end of the day instead of doing copious amounts of overtime. I don't think less than a double time off after any overtime would be acceptable to me. Gotta love your corporate Project managers !" Just to hammer home its going to cost them for that fuck up and that it was all the project managers fault. (PMS)
It's the directors fault too for not putting PMS in her place. "It's not your responsibility, your job, or your business to even think about his schedule. You're wasting time thinking about this instead of doing the job we hired you for. Mind your own business, do your job, or leave."
@@notsure7874 Man, that one hits really close to home. Although it was not only because of that, it was more like the last straw, but i fired a guy that was constantly complaining about other's "vacation" times. The way things work here i can send literally everyone on vacation at the same time so person X's vacation has 0 impact on person Y's vacation but to this dude every damn time someone else didnt work 1 min was an apocalyptic event...
@@VRDejaVu
Pricks like that deserve to be sacked. You did the right thing.
@@VRDejaVu
Pricks like that deserve to be sacked. You did the right thing.
New people who "know better" when they come into an organization. Does it ever occur to the employer on WHY they might be seeking a new job? Insidious Snake reasons?
Sometimes a person was fired, not for incompetence, but for pissing off a toxic supervisor.
@@annvictor9627 Or they're just tired of the old job.
IT and security/military suffer from the same problem. When everything is fine and they are doing their job, people question why they are there/needed. Only when it goes to crap do they realize why.
Op missed a golden opportunity to call out pms in front of everyone in the meeting for being too lazy to change her own toner.
Pms: "You're at home while people are having computer problems "
Op: "Computer problems? Like a couple weeks ago when you called me because you were too lazy to change toner on the printer? Is that why you're wasting everyone's time with this meeting?"
I'd also mention in the warning emails how I'd normally do these updates after hours and on weekends so as not to disrupt other people's work, but I'm under orders to only work during business hours and any complaints should be directed to pms, hr manager, etc, basically any authority who backed this dumb idea.
That is why you must never piss off the IT people.
These "bosses" don't have a clue how demanding it can be to work outside of normal working hours. I also have done a lot of IT work during nights, often throughout the whole week, sometimes into the weekends. And not only "oh, once or twice" but dozens and dozens of time a year. You know what was my reward? Exactly nothing. These have all been unpaid. And a few times when I tried to take a leave in exchange for extra work I got "it's not the best time to take a day off" or "maybe next week" etc. Having done this for many years, I can honestly say: if this happens to you, don't wait for your just reward. It will never come! Leave!
Me to Project Manager:
“There are no thoughts in your head. You just think you know everything.”
This is exactly why I have a process for any new job I start: first, learn what is done and how it’s done in the company. Next, learn why it is done that way in that company. Once these two steps are done, I may then start making adjustments to those method, and suggesting improvements
Nah, just don't be an arrogant dick that's enough. Just ask around and don't talk like a Karen
Most people just assume everybody does things the way they were done elsewhere. The concept that the same work will be different not just company to company but job to job can be mind blowing for some.
18:23, Only thing that OP could have done to make the Compliance Better is when people called in asking him "WHY are you doing this to US?". Tell them how he used to do this over night so so as to Not mess with their Down Time, but PMS ORDERED you to do it with Directors Approval during Office Hours Only... So here we are.
Bet both Director and PMS would be getting calls and PMS would be getting Complaints againsnt her since "I am only following Orders".
This is not only hilarious compliance. It is a blood bath for the product manger
New contract negotiation is a great idea. Another? Telling everyone who is fussing about the downtime that it was all because of PMS - she insisted EVERYONE have fixed work hours. Let them all hate on her while they cannot get anything done!
I would have said in the first e mail
"Following the new rules from the Director and the PM ,no overtime is to be allowed by IT, and IT must now only work from 8:00 to 3:30 period ."
"No Exceptions allowed"
All IT Maintenance will now need to be done between the hours of 8 to 3:30 "
"IT Maintenance may take the organization offline for a few days at a time ,every 3 to 4 months "
(Well I guess that would have given the MC away ,so probably not )
@@barelyasurvivor1257 Corporate would hate that last bit, and force the PM and Director to revert to the way things were previously as soon as the situation resolved itself if they weren't fired.
don't worry, within 1 hour or 2 maximum everyone knew who was to blame
especially since he never did upgrades during business hours
I would have refused to go back to the old agreement without a significant pay rise and the project manger being sacked.
Theses videos are the only thing getting me through self isolation at the moment
Big hug! Hang in there! Lots of love!
Hopefully you’ll get well soon!
We now know that "isolation" was pointless.
This reminds me of my own workplace. No malicious compliance, just a "why are you telling me what to do when I've already worked out how to do it".
New store manager is assigned to us after the old is promoted to corporate (it's the Bullseye store, y'all). At the time i actually met the woman, i was cleaning carts as we were in a pandemic. I greet most people, at least with a hello or good morning, but i avoid interrupting people who are on the phone or listening to headphones or something, just to be polite. If they ask me how I'm doing, I'm honest and say that I'm tired. I get a lot of responses from that, much more than if I say the generic happy employee "I'm doing great! How are you?" Y'all know the one, that fake one that doesn't distinguish the employee from the others at all. I'm honest because i know the Bullseye store is about welcoming guests and being friendly and more like family. I'm honest with everyone, especially family, so it made sense to me.
So this new store manager lady comes up after watching me for awhile and starts telling me that since I'm the first person most of them interact with, i should be more peppy (yes, she seriously said peppy) and happy and energetic so that they're in a better mood when they shop. I told her that i understand where she's coming from, but that I've already tried that. Quite honestly, i get a lot more honesty from the guests when I'm honest with them, and more responses in general since I catch them off guard. I've even had some say they appreciate my honesty. The end of the conversation is a bit fuzzy but she's never told me to change my greeting since, so i think either she knows I'm a headstrong passive-aggressive employee who thinks he knows better than the store manager, or she knows i actually bothered to test different approaches to be better at the job xD either way, she's still a micromanager and it's frustrating for a fair number of the staff
Should have mentioned that this is specifically mandated by Director and ProjectManager, Esp on the Big Update email.
Driver's me crazy that OP let her boss him around about the toner AND THEN DID IT! Should have put her in her place then.
i mean hes there... might as well. and cant risk getting fired over a damn printer.
as IT that would be the most hilarious and lamest way to get fired over.
@@miciso666 nah, OP literally said he can't get fired easily on his country
The moment she asked for the printer toner, that's when i would have gone to the big wigs and went "Look, someone clearly didn't get the memo on how IT works around here, she needs educated quick, or you're NOT gonna like what comes next." If someone has that much of a disconnect about that kind of procedure right off the bat, it needs quashed as soon as possible; it should NEVER have gotten to the stage where IT was put in a position to force his point about how ridiculous PM's requests were, ESPECIALLY considering the tenures of all parties involved.
If I had been the IT OP that killed his entire company for a week, I'd have written up a detailed list of exactly WHY the entire network is down and no one can do their work explaining that PMS Bitched to Director about my Overtime/Time Off-in-Lieu of Pay arrangement and Director caved to her complaints forcing me to now do ALL Updates during Normal Office Hours...
Once the rest of the Office read that note, I suspect both PMS AND Director would be up to their eyeballs in Pissed-Off people demanding to know exactly what the 2 of them were thinking...
Basically, the note should (in theory) redirect their fury from OP to PMS and Director where it belongs...
Yes but that would have taken a lot of time out of the day when director would normally have been elbows deep in PMS's pants. :)
1) everyone knew everything after an hour or two downtime
2) the director did not accidentally give in writing what he was doing, because otherwise they would not have an "old" agreement
The director knew very well what was going to happen, and he just waited for it
IT and the ones preparing food. Don't piss them off
The corporate way doesn’t transfer into non-profit or education environments very well, seen many come and go over the years - that sort of mentality doesn’t fit
Corporate way used to be function over form, now it's the opposite. That's why administration departments are so bloated and waste company resources.
What she was doing wasn’t corporate way. It’s Karen way.
NEVER put an inexperienced Boomer in charge of the IT Guy !!!
“Under new manglement”
Old guys will know you never cross the Bastard Operator From Hell.
Damn that was beautiful!
Repeat after me folks: Never. Mess. With. IT.
So exciting Rob! I was envisioning total chaos! People need to learn not to mess with IT! PMS should have been hosed for that one!🛌😴📠💻⌨🚫🔜🤷♂️
These videos of an employee doing exactly what they are told to do and it backfiring on the company are the best videos.
OP, why didn't you begin the e-mail and answer all calls stating that this was per the new agreement instigated by the PMS?
Too risky
Because the story is fake and they are not a very good fiction writer.
Sounds like that Director was just as entitled as PMS...A Kevin to her Karen, maybe?
Could be that Kevin was rooting Karen. :)
or the director soaped the board for a project manager who “usurped” too much power
New supervisor-- people quit supervisors not jobs... Glad you used your leverage
Best way to deal with tech stuff is to ask the tech guy before deciding something dumb over his head.
I think "physicist" is supposed to be physician.
Yeah probably, think English was a second language to OP. I try to keep the stories true to the way they've written them though.
OP should have demanded an apology for the disrespect he had endure for marginalizing his vital role.
That new project manager sure has guts to tell senior system admin to get toner for her...
I would have drained a toner on purpose just so she gets pissed. I would drain every toner I have to get her, until the brat finally does her job and gets it herself.
PMS was a great way to describe the witch 🧙♀️that didn't know what she was doing!
Ya know why they called it PMS? Cos Mad Cow Disease was already taken. :) Me mum told me that joke as she roared laughing. True story.
This perfectly illustrates why "manager" isn't a job, its a waste of air. Every manager I have ever met does shit like this, then fires people for their own incompetence.
The boss was a simp. PMS walked over him immediately.
you forget that there is a lot of politics
nonprofits live off donations
and that person in question came in as a project manager as part of a “price” for donations
And with that, she tried to usurp power
And when he saw the opportunity, the director set a trap, into which she happily ran
probably after an incident that lasted a week, she got a “better” offer elsewhere
Says they’re slacking off, knows they’re working nights and weekends…
Why do new ppl (with experience) do this? My office runs a public space as a part of the company's CSR program. We had projects every weekends and the person in charge for weekend will be able to take 2 days off on weekdays. This guy just came into our department as supervisor and told us that this is not how it's supposed to work, and that if we had to go to work on weekends it's just our "decication to the company". He talked to the HR abt this without telling my manager. My manager then heard about this, agreed to his suggestion, and then went to the office every weekend without fail for 2 months (since the manager was in the office, obviously the supervisor should be present at the office to assist her, it's just polite to do so). After 2 months, supervisor asked to be moved to a new department and we went back to the old rules.
I once worked in an office where almost everyone there worked full time...EXCEPT for one person. SHE was the office manager's niece (or daughter of OM's bff, it has been a long time ago and I didn't really care to remember). Problem was when I was hired, no one had bothered to let me (the receptionist who had to send her calls to her phone & let callers know when she was in) know that this golden child worked part-time. I found out that she was part-time help when I made the mistake of complaining about how she was always late and leaving work early. It was then I was informed that she worked part-time and my job could be made to be part-time also. oops! Funny though, when golden child left the company...they never bothered to replace her, just rolled her work over to other employees. :-/
Don’t mess with their system if you’re not willing to learn the why and the how.
Hehe this story is awesome 😁 OP was only doing his job 🤷♀️ Lol
This story is jank and garbage.
According to the story, the OP has been doing this for 12 years. That is long enough that the director knows WHY the OP does what he does. Even the most incompetent director would have had a conversation with the OP at some point about what they are doing an why. The director then "magically" forgets why the OP works non standard hours and takes the new project managers side. Nah, I'll take "fake story that never happened" over that tripe any day.
Just remember , IT and CS never works normal hours .. they are basically on stand by 24/7... Just in case if something got fucked and they have to unfuck it.
When idiots flock together........It's rare they learn these valuable lessons. Good work man
Yea, this is also the type of guy that is probably underpaid for the technical knowledge he has because he’s been in position for a while and learned a lot on the job. If you try to replace him, it’s gonna take a whole team and months of discovery to get back to where you are now.
Don't piss off anyone maintaining infrastructure or logistics. Keep secretaries & janitors happy.
I once worked in a team and everyone had to use a computer to work. One team member had a technician fixing her computer. We had a blackout. No power. We went home.
The next day, the co- worker was blaming the technician for not getting his team in to fix the PC. But he tell her that everyone works based on schedule by their boss. Then she blamed the technician that he did not complete his work. The technician angrily answered, well how can i? There's no electricity. 😅
If an IT person asks for something in writing, take it as your cue to rethink the whole of your position.
The IT guy playing EvE... Yeah, I can see that. lol
Right?
OMG this was delicious to listen to. There have been times I wished to be this good.
The amount of needless stress in what SHOULD be the best job in the world is crazy. The Architect in The Matrix was right
Our phones are VOIP now, so that would make it even more fun
Sounds like an affirmative-action Karen was hired. That wanted to prove that she wasn't completely incompetent. By being completely incompetent and changing things that worked for obviously a long time. I've left jobs because of this BS
There are 2 rules in any given workplace:
1 - Don't try and fundamentally change how operations are run when you're new, even if you're brought on as a manager. There's a reason for why things are the way they are and you can't make effective changes unless you know why they are that way
2 - don't fuck with the IT guy. They know your secrets and control the building and you don't even know who they are
I don't know which is worse / more evil: having only one Domain Controller on the network (which seemed to be indicated), or taking them all down at the same time. >_
I'd have honestly told everyone "I was told that I needed to do all my work during business hours." and show them the written emails .
New boss, new problems.
F around and find out people. F around and find out.😂😂😂
It’s always a happy environment until a new manager, boss, etc. comes in and ruins everything
Rule #1 of working in a office don't fuck with the IT staff especially the SysAdmin
Perfect listening for standing at a hot bus stop waiting to get on an even hotter bus!
I seriously feel like "....and then we got a new manager" needs to be enshrined as an epic timeless tag line, like "....but then the Fire Nation attacked" and "...but then I took an arrow to the knee."
Rob you brighend up my week because lying in hospital isn’t fun
luckily i live in Germany i don’t want to know what my IV would cost in the US
Just been realest but we still don’t know what got me so sick and my lungs are kind of f***
Get well soon
Wishing you a speedy and comfortable recovery ... and, no, you don't want to know what it would cost here in the US! :-(
Get well soon! Big hugs!
All the best to those in Germany. The conservative party here in the US thinks public healthcare would be "socialism" but they do not want to define the term.
One of our school secretaries were like that. As in we had covid so most people worked from home. I'm IT, unsurprisingly with the school being empty I wasn't needed in and instead helped with the remote classroom software and the like. We had 2 secretaries and basically the leadership decided we need 1 secretary in every day so they were rotating this per day.
I got phone calls from her basically every other day as such that I have to go in because they have a problem (as in always her). Things like the printer doesn't work because she forgot to switch it on, she can't find an e-mail which was in her spam but she wouldn't actually tell me the problem instead demand to go in because it's "important". Had to fight her on the phone to actually tell me the issue... she obviously didn't like that because not once could she come up with something that actually needed me inside. Not quite sure why she nagged Me in particular, maybe she liked my shapely bottom or something... but yeah, if possible I wouldn't travel 1+ hour in and then another 1+ back home because she feels like it's unfair I can be home while she isn't.
Not exactly surprising to say she isn't a secretary anymore as she was like this with everyone else as well and since they work next door to the director and the subs she wasn't exactly stealthy about it. Would say f* her but she isn't my type.
I want my 19 minutes back
I would have sat down with the director during the resigning at the beginning and warned him of the impending doom. Then, on the day of, I would've called him in and right as I am about to press the kill button, "Enjoy the schnitt show...let the games begin." Let the boss be a part of the fun. Even better, let the boss push the kill button. Keep him in the loop, so when the final meeting takes place, he gets to help rub it in the face of the managing director.
Moral of the story: Never mess with IT!
I love your stories KC. We’re a family of tech support and these tales are right down our alley
r/talesfromtechsupport coming tomorrow morning!
My only concern were for the patients of the clinic, health care should have been on an independent server.
We need more Kevin in a Big Rig!
there aren't any more.
My birthday was yesterday, I turned 29
Happy belated birthday 🎉🥳 🎂 Hope you had a wonderful time.
Happy Birthday!!
@@Loki-and-Thor Thank You, and yes I did
@@KarmaStoriesPodcast Thank You
That was an Excellent read. Rob -- I especially love outtakes -- they make me laugh (even out loud) and I hope you can include one or two on each read. Sometimes they're better than the story itself!
why the heck did the non-profit hired a corporate manager to be PM? The management of a corporations/companies and non-profits are not the same even if there are standards to maintain
you forget that there is a lot of politics
nonprofits live off donations
and that person in question probably came as a project manager as part of a “price” for donations
Lol, I love hearing how IT gets the last laugh. If you're not IT, don't act like you know how IT should run. This kind of problem is all too common.
I ran updates and didn't kick anyone off until it was time to reboot equipment. I'm confused by his maintenance method
two groups of people you never want to mess with is IT and the people who cook your food
Yes, both can spit in it.
No one in IT refers to things as "ran ones and zeroes".
I would have declined going back to my old contract.
Calling someone who already work there for decade "Boy" as newbie is sure way to get hated
People are dumb. They don't realize how much work you put in to help them have a good life.
LMAO! Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes. Or in the case of the first story...... a week of employees being down.
8:30, You got to love that this Director Knew you did it after hours to not F with normal office work while doing MANDATORY manitance. but he is Siding with her Loony demand to kill productivity. What ever you say boss. its your Business, and your Profit Margin that is gonna TANK.
As a fellow capsuleer, trust in the rust folks! As a side note to quote John Rorke: "Stationary targets do not react well to 1400mm artillery guns."
As Rslash says. don't mess with the IT guy/gal
rSlash? He's tied up in my basement. Along with Yugo.
I love how it is hard to fire someone in OP's country. It's sometimes hard to quit in mine.
BTW, it's PAID, not PAYED.
Not as bad as this, but I remember when Management decided that the IT staff at the school I worked at weren't doing our contract hours as we were in and out at weird times. Not that we had to cover from 6 in the morning till 9 / 10 at night for the nightclasses or anything. So we had to start recording our hours, it last 3 weeks till the first monthly overtime sheets had to be put in and we were all doing somewhere in the region of an extra 8 to 10 hours each week. Which we never both claiming before because there was a lot of quiet time as well (holidays etc where staff and pupils weren't in). Management shut up after that and let us get on with our jobs.
The 'company' was described as a nonprofit SERVICE organization, so WHY did they hire a 'Project Director', as they essentially have NO projects - i.e. a product to push out the factory floor?
I work in IT. As soon as I saw they were going to make him do the maintenance updates during normal working hours, I knew it was going to get ugly. There's a reason you do that stuff off hours. Smart of OP to get the agreement about his new working hours in writing.
in my former firm they did UPS maintenance and screwed things up
turned off the UPS and the power at the same time
There was total chaos because the servers were booting at different speeds and crashing each other
it took 4 hours to shut down all the servers and boot up one by one and for the network to work
I know I'm late to the party, but after all the r/maliciouscompliance stories I've listened to, it *astounds* me that the managers, directors and so-forth still haven't got the memo that *if you're employee asks for you to sign a written document stipulating that YOU told them to do whatever you told them to do that way, IT'S A BAD IDEA!* The moment OP asked for a new contract, stipulating his new hours, and that it was on their orders that he worked those hours, red flags should've been going off in their brains left and right! He warned them......He told them *explicitly* WHY he worked those hours and did things the way he did them, but like always, they had the idiotic "I'm the boss, so, I know best!" mentality..........
OP: "you screw me, I screw you"
Also OP: "I play EVE"
Me: ah, you're NRDS?