Dear Alex, thanks for doing a video on this movie! I thought about suggesting it on your twitter but was too shy, haha. But anyways, I always love your movie/show reviews and I hope you've been well :) - A Fan
I love how you compare Sophie to the girls on tiktok who "want to get kidnapped" when the first line of the book is LITERALLY: "Sophie had waited all her life to be kidnapped."
The first red flag for me was Agatha being stereotypically gorgeous. In the book it adds another level of complexity because even though Agatha gets a makeover sequence it’s very different. She has a phobia of mirrors and genuinely disgusts herself. If this was included in the movie I feel like it could’ve been a good subversion of a trope.
Yes!!! I feel like they messed up her characters personally the whole time in the book she's frowning, grumpy, angry. She avoids the mirrors because she hates what she'll see. The fairies end up pretending to give her a makeover and thinking she's been turned beautiful she gains confidence and walks around the school smiling everyone says she's beautiful after that. All they did in the show was make the a tomboy and not even that. SMH
right i haven't read the books but this explains a lot because it really felt cliche that she couldn't smile when asked to, i was rolling my eyes so much like come on it's just a smile, but when you explain the reason she couldn't it makes sense
One of my favorite parts from the book was that the good school was served by fairies and the evil school by werewolves and we come to find out that they are the students who failed. If you don't do good enough you are enslaved by the school for eternity.
I mean, they bring it up since they show that the wish granting fish and the bone birds were both students who failed, and in the case of the fish kid, she'd been there for hundreds of years
Not only that; evil students became the fairies at the school for good and good students became werewolves for evil because that would mean they were always with the opposite side; the ones they loathed the most.
I've never read the book, but I thought they were going to mention that after she found out about the fish girl. She even said at the beginning "I thought fairies were supposed to be nice" so I thought it foreshadowing that it was actually a student from the school of evil.
I swear RUclips has the oddest sense of humor. He’s describing her change and says “and the next scene is this” and immediately I get an ad for a dog in a sweater
Honestly, it would have been so much better as a TV series. The books are really fun, but the movie left out huge chunks that I wish had made it in, and the story felt rushed without them
Same! When I clicked on it first I was really hyped because I thought it was a series... but well I mean the movie was still kinda cool, but yeh it missed a lot of stuff.
i totally agree man. I havent read the books but it felt rushed and i wouldve enjoyed it so much more if it lasted longer. like how gregor and other failed students get reincarnated as creatures on the campus. also how lady lesso liked the idea of rafal for like 10 minutes until dovey yelled at her for 5 seconds and then she was ok.
They never showed on the movie what made her truly evil, in the books she has been aiming for the school of good her whole life and there was that sense of betrayal when Agatha found out that she was Sophie’s ‘good deed’
This is my biggest problem with the movie, honestly. I can stand them erasing characters, making never looks mild, making tedros flat, ect. But sophie and agatha's relationship is the heart of the story. If they change it that much, they failed.
My hugest gripe is that we didn't get the whole "Sophie is definitely evil" we got in the books. She was insane, she was the DEFINITION of gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss, (manipulate, manwh*re and manslaughter in book two). She was EVIL, yes she did try to fight against it, but she was at her core an evil person. This Sophie? the other one would have her dead to rights in five seconds flat, especially with her outfit change to embrace being evil after her hair EDIT: SHE ALSO DID CANNONICALLY MURDER SOMEONE WHO WAS HEAVILY IMPLIED TO BE AN 'EVER' IN THE FIRST BOOK THIS SOPHIE IS W E A K
YES I’m upset that they left out the whole “being friends with Aggie is a good deed” thing and that she did “good” things with selfish intentions. I really think it would’ve been better as a show because the movie left out soooooo much character details.
THANK YOU!!! And looool your note for the second book fits so well looool 😂 I hate that they made her an “evil” person who always tries to do good because NO SHE DOESNT?? She always makes the bad choice, accidentally and intentionally, and holds no regret for it. And when she DOES try to do good as she tried to in the second book you could actively see her get more distant, frazzled, and agitated, because she wasn’t being herself and forcing herself to be someone else. It hurt her so much, so to see her finally give in to who she truly is deep down, an evil person, was SO soothing in a way just to not see her torture herself, and to see how Lesso showed her a path forward with her evilness and showing what TRUE evil means and what can be done with it, was honestly beautiful and such a brilliant conclusion for her. Then to see her grow even beyond that already brilliant conclusion and then use what she learned in books 4, 5, and 6 was BEAUTIFUL, especially to see how much her and Agatha’s friendship had grown for her at that point as well as her value of herself and respect of those around her. She became such a wise person it was amazing to watch. So to see all that potential DESECRATED in this film and ruin any chance for that story to be shown on the big screen was utterly INFURIATING. Loool 😂
Man, Netflix really needs to try when making movies. The set designing crew get millions of dollars for their budget and the writing crew gets a nickel, a paper clip, and a ball of lint.
One of the first red flags Sofie had was her relationship with Agatha. In the movies, they seemed like genuine best friends, but in the books, it is clear that Sofie only befriended Agatha, just so she could get chosen for the school of good
One of the things I hated the most about this film, was that in the books Sophie and Agatha DIDN'T like each other. They were never 'best friends'. The whole point was that Sophie was using Agatha to make herself look better by being nice to her, which Agatha knew all along. They never liked each other, the beauty of their friendship was that it DEVELOPED throughout the books which the film completely cut and made it focus on their 'unconditional friendship' which was in the beginning very conditional. Anyways rant over
I think it would have actually benefited from being a series. It would have allowed to flesh out the characters, the rivalry between the schools, how the universe works...
Im really upset that they cut the scene where Sophie killed the wolf for cutting her hair. It really shows Sophie’s evilness and how much she cares about appearances
I personally prefer the bit where because there's no mirrors in the school for evil that aren't cracked she opens a window during a storm to flood the room just so she can use the reflection to do her hair
What really gets me confused is that everyone says Sophie's egotistical behaviour and narcissism is the reason why she was put in the evil school but no one considers how the princesses behave and how they are similar to Sophie in what they like and dislike. Edit: Thanks for all the the likes and especially the comments trying to explain further as I haven't read the book, it shows how rushed the film was and how it should be a series.
that was my problem with the movie. cause i read the books as a kid and i’m probably going to reread them again and she had a lot of other things wrong with her. in the movie, she behaved exactly, actually BETTER than most of the princesses and she just got put into evil school and was manipulated while in the books it was more her choice :/
I took it as since she was a reader, her ego got her into the evil school, while many of the princesses are descended from alum of the good school which likely influenced where they ended up
Wasn’t that the point of the scene when they talk about how shallow the school for good had become, or even when they attacked when “good defends”, or how Rafal had gotten good to win making them more shallow and useless over the years. I never read the books and sure that it was done 100 times better in the books.
@@Nellie_95 The point of the book was that Sophie ended up in Evil because of her own choices. I don't even remember "Good fairytale characters do bad things already" being a moral in the book 💀.
They left out so many of the things that helped make it an amazing book series. 1. At first, Agatha was only Sophie's "good deed" and, in the beginning, their friendship was all because that and was fake. 2. Agatha always believed herself to be ugly and worthless and it got to the point where Dovey had to trick her into learning that she was beautiful. 3. Dovey never once doubted that Agatha was good or truly beautiful. 4. At orientation, the ones speaking weren't the professors, they were Castor and Pollux two conjoint twin dogs who were honestly the most entertaining characters which the movie entirely left out. 4. Professor Sader. He was one of the main characters and you can't really have the next books without him. 5. The survival classes. These were suck a major point in Tedros and Agatha's relationship that it feels rushed without them. 6. Everything that proved Sophie was evil. The nemesis dreams. Her killing the beast. Her almost letting Agatha get killed. Her killing that goose. 7. Tedros going back and forth between Sophie and Agatha. He hated Agatha and then he hated Sophie and called her a witch. Then he thought Agatha was evil again then he didn't like either of them. 8. The explanation of what the school was and how the generations worked. Also just the fact that Dovey was the Fairy Godmother. 9. They did the forest challenge thingy wrong. It was supposed to be everyone competing. 10. THE CIRCUS OF TALENTS. This was the first time we really find out what happens to expelled students and how they become servants for the other side. This is also when Tedros professes his love to Agatha. 11. All of the little things like all the missing classes, Sophie's beauty classes, Agatha the cockroach, Sophie and Tedros as foxes etc. 12. The fact that all of Gaveldon knew about SGE and did everything in their power to stop children from being kidnapped. This also means that all children were readers. 13. The fact that they weren't supposed to go into detail about Rafael's manipulation until book 3. 14. Also, this made me mad, Lesso and Dovey we're BEST FRIENDS in the book. Sure, they had their differences but they loved each other like Agatha and Sophie. 15. Finally, what the heck happened to Anadil's rats?!?!?!? They just got rid of her special talent!!!! None of these things are in the movie at all and it makes the movie feel rushed and it has plot holes. They should have made it a series or figured out a way to make it work. Very disappointed. Edit: HOLY JESUS IVE NEVER GOTTEN THIS MANY LIKES!! THANK YOU!!!
I absolutely hated how Dovey kept doubting Agatha. She was supposed to be her fairy godmother, the only one who believed in her Good soul, other than Sader of course, who wasn't even shown in the movie
I’m sad it feels like they skimmed the book and just wrote the script off the top of their head. Even then I feel like spark notes would have less plot holes than this :((
Oh, my God! ALL OF THAT sounds indispensable to a functional story (and MUCH better than what we got)!! I guess I'll just have to read the books, now. (No chance this botched half-assed attempt by Netflix gets a sequel. No matter how gorgeous it looks, as Alex pointed out. And even if it did get a sequel, they already ruined its potential by changing/omitting the things you enumerated...).
I agree with everything here. also in the movie Sophie is wayyy too likable and Anadil is meant to be albino because her mother is the white witch. She barely got any part of the movie at all and I was really upset because she was one of my favorite characters. they also left out the part when Dot was kicked out of the coven and evil Sophie was way more cringy in the movies.
It sounds like they left out a lot of the book material that would explain why Sophie is sent to the School for Evil. In the original novel, she's really rather selfish behind her sugary sweet facade. She doesn't have an evil stepmother. Her widowed father is dating again and she bitterly resents his taking any attention off her to be with another woman. This other woman is actually a decent person, warm and loving, but Sophie doesn't care about that. She doesn't want anything to get in the way of her life with Daddy, thank you very much. She sleeps for nine hours and has an exhaustive beauty regime that takes several hours a day. You see, two children get kidnapped every year, taken away to this mysterious school, where they will be chosen to fulfill their parts in fairy tales. Will they be good or evil? They won't know until after they're "chosen". Parents fear the loss of their children but Sophie is actually looking forward to being taken. She thinks she's princess material. How can she not be? She's pretty, sweet and adorable. However, she cherishes the malicious delight in showing her father just how great she'll be once she becomes a princess. She'll have fabulous dresses, lovely shoes and a prince for a husband. That'll teach him. Her father isn't mean to her at all. But Sophie thinks he actually wanted a son. That's nowhere indicated in the book; it's just another of her delusions, I suppose. She gives her father disgusting vegan food to eat and turns her up nose at his wistful desire for muffins. She doesn't do this just to keep him healthy. She thinks this shows what a stellar personality she has, looking out for daddy's health and not giving him food that might make him fat. What a good person she is! She offers muffins to Agatha who initially refuses because she knows how dreadful Sophie's baking is. Sophie lies to her and tells her that she's offering delicious treats. Imagine Agatha's misery when she realizes Sophie has deceived her and it's just more health muffin garbage (probably bran). It's these selfish motivations behind her seemingly good actions that condemn Sophie. Agatha, on the other hand, is actually a decent human being. She proves to have the smarts, loyalty, decency, compassion and kindness you glimpse in her from her first appearance. Sophie demonstrates time and again that she is deceitful, lying, treacherous, conceited, vengeful, manipulative and a poor friend. Agatha embodies Good while Sophie finds, to her horror, that it is she who seems to be Evil. If all this nuance is left out of the movie, no wonder it makes no sense.
You perfectly described the Sophia I know and love, and sometimes hate. Everything about her is so complex and interesting. And I hate how genuinely sweet she was to Agatha in the movie, cause it's taking away part of what makes her so fun as a character.
Its not even that she "doesn’t want anything to get in the way of her life with Daddy” she literally hates Stefan and is uncomfortable with him- she hates that he would move on from her mother Vanessa- who to Sophie was beautiful and perfect and shouldve been a princess too. Like shes angry at how he could just replace her mother years after her death by broken heart , when he got tricked into marrying her over his actual love/ sweetheart Honroa.
This makes me sad, they left out so much important character building for both Agatha and Sophie. Hell Agatha looks like your average pretty girl when her insecurity about her appearance was a major part of her character and Sophie doesn't even kill Beast for cutting her hair because he's not in the movie at all, it's literally one of the points in the book where you realize just how dark this story could get and they cut it and it doesn't make sense. They really should've just made it a tv show and made a couple of different decisions as well as change Agatha's appearance (it doesn't even have to be a cast change, just make her look sickly with makeup or something) and Sophie's selfishness needs to be amped up way more. Plus, is it just me? Weren't they like 12 or 13 in the book, isn't that why their immaturity and shallow morality in the beginning made sense???? I understand why they'd pick older actors though.
Actually their ages were never revealed. And God I'm upset that they put how Sophie and Agatha END UP by the END of their story into who they are at the very beginning. It ruins all the character development they could have gotten because they have nowhere to go as characters and what they learn, since Agatha already is quite happy and Sophie is a good friend.
@@Jaguar470 I know right, in the beginning they were pretty much friends out of necessity but eventually become true friends faults and all, this movie just kind of throws that out the window (especially making Sophie too nice to Agatha at the start). Honestly the relationship of the main characters in Do Revenge feels closer to the relationship Agatha and Sophie had in the books than in this movie.
@@bridgettelair370 Yes exactly!!! And YES YES!!! Sophie was WAY too understanding and supportive of Agatha, like she was literally the complete opposite towards her in the books, especially when they got into the school 😂😂
@@aelin2800 It doesn’t. It doesn’t specify their ages anywhere? It says that children are taken after they turn twelve. Sophie wasn’t of age when they last took people, meaning she could have been 11 or younger, that means four years later, since she could then be taken, she was 15 or younger. Meaning in the first book since she could be taken meaning she was 11 or younger, and she couldn’t have been any older than 15 when they next took people, she was anywhere between 12-15.
Watching the movie I feel like the writers were unsure about how far they wanted to push Sophie’s narcissistic tendencies. They needed to show she was selfish enough to wind up in he school for evil but it felt weird because they also kept trying to dial it back down. I guessed early on it was because she was meant to become good again in the end and shocker- I was right. Books were so much better than this mess
SPOILERS!!! The literal reason why i love sophie was because of her complex personality and that she became a complete narcissist to a understandble character development, i also wished that they revealed they're twin sisters☹
@@ilovekaedeharakazuha447 i agree, but with how much the movie already crammed in i dont think they would do it justice (im referring to the twin sisters part). they should have just focused the events from one book, so they can build up the characters a bit more
omg so true!! i watched this mess the day it came out, and it took me probably 3-5 hours to watch it, cuz i kept pausing it to argue with the movie, and had the fandom webpage open, and my copy of the book open, all working to criticize it
I really wish this became a series, because it would've shown the journey of the characters a lot better, E.g Sophie's fall down the path of evil was through major denial, selfishness and obv her misconception of what good actually is, before even knowing Rafal. Agatha's growth with finally accepting herself is both sad and beautiful because she believed everyone's perspective of her and when landing in the school she immediately feels like she doesn't belong and through almost the whole book she tries to find ways for BOTH of them to return home. There were so many dark moments like the way they punished the kids if they didn't follow the rules and how they refused to properly acknowledge that a child died in the trial by tales (which was actually a traditional event based on a student's skill to survive the woods). Also removing Professor Sader was a crime...
Yes! I was really sad when I didn't see Sader. But then I became more confused, because the whole part of books 5 and 6 where King Arthur used Sader to show him how to get Tedros to reclaim the crown, so I have no idea how that story line will work. It could have been so much better as a TV show.
The book that this movie was based off of was so much better for so many reasons: 1.) In the book, the whole town of Gavaldon fears the School Master and the School for Good and Evil, so they do everything in their power to make sure he doesn’t kidnap any children. This makes Sophie being seems as weird to the other villagers more justified because…you know, she wants to get kidnapped by a force that they see as wicked and dangerous. (Also, EVERYONE in the town is obsessed with reading books, meaning that in the book itself, Sophie and Agatha aren’t special for liking to read. Agatha even pretends in the books that she doesn’t read fairytales because she thinks they’re childish) 2.) Sophie only becomes friends with Agatha a few weeks before they’re kidnapped in the books. She initially only becomes friends with her to “prove” to the School Master that she’s Good, the same way a kid suddenly becomes a little angel near Christmas to impress Santa Clause. She actually becomes attached to Agatha and their friendship becomes real, but that is a pretty unique way to characterize Sophie as someone who will do anything to get what she wants 3.) Sophie’s stepmother isn’t married to her father yet in the first book, which is the book this movie was based on. Sophie hates her stepmother (Honora) and believes her to be awful and ugly, but the later books show us that she really isn’t. The movie just plays into the evil stepmother stereotype. 4.) While the two are in the orientation, the people on stage aren’t the deans; they’re two characters that were completely erased from the movie, Castor and Pollux, a pair of conjoined twin dogs, one good and one evil. Those two were so entertaining that I actually despise how they just shamelessly cut them out. 5.) Tedros doesn’t actually get to “like” Agatha when they first meet. In fact, he calls her a witch and tells Sophie that she should stop hanging out with Agatha. 6.) Another super important character, a blind, future-seeing teacher named Professor August Sader is also cut out. Even if he’s important in all of the first three books, he’s apparently not important enough to be in the movie. Professor Sader actually is a huge foreshadowing machine for the books and his paintings and writings pave the way for the next books in the series. 7.) Tedros really flip flops on who he likes and who he hates. In the beginning he just likes Sophie and hates Agatha, then he hates both of them, then he just likes Agatha, then he hates the both of them again. His opinions change and he isn’t just a blank slate. 6.) Agatha is described as being ugly throughout the whole book. She hates herself and she hates looking at herself. She wholeheartedly believes that she is ugly, and while at the School for Good, she begins to break down. Doves tries to make things better by casting an illusion on her, make her thinks she’s become blonde and pretty, but Agatha finds out that it’s all just an illusion and she cries by herself, thinking that she will never be beautiful now that even Sophie is beginning to abandon her. She tries to smile, and when she finally does, she sees herself, she sees how beautiful she is, smiling. She realizes *I’ve been beautiful all along* and that she doesn’t need a huge makeover, and she continues crying, content and happy. That emotional scene that almost made me cry is NOT in the movie, however! 7.) Another emotional scene that was cut out? The Circus of Talents. Tedros on his knees, telling Agatha that he loves her in front of everyone. Sophie has already abandoned Agatha at this point. Agatha knows how much Sophie wants Tedros, and she begins to panic, and fall back into her “no one will ever love me” emotional state. But looking into Tedros’ eyes, seeing that he really does love her, she comes back. She says yes to him, in front of Sophie. 8.) There were no stairs to the School Master’s tower. Sophie and Agatha had to tame one of those demon birds in order to get up there. Also, Sophie almost got eaten by it. It was more foreshadowing to the fact that Sophie is pure Evil. 9.) At the end where Good becomes Evil and Evil becomes Good, the Evers’ transformations are way more brutal than they are in the book. Their skin turns green, their eyes merge to form just one eye, spikes grow on their spines, they grow humps, all that stuff. The Never transformation is also as extreme, but in the opposite way. 10.) The mortification classes? The mortification scenes? Cockroach Agatha? Nope, gone. 11.) Hort is specifically stated in the book to be a man-wolf, not a werewolf. That part of the book even dunks on werewolves and says they don’t have any control. 12.) Hort’s father isn’t Captain Hook. His father was one of the pirates who served Captain Hook. In the later books, it gives him an interesting perspective. It’s even said in the spin off that his mother was Wendy. 13.) Once again, another erased character, Professor Sheeks. Entertaining, funny and memorable. Not in the movie, though. There are so many more reasons I could rattle on about, but it’s pointless. The movie was a disappointment, and everyone who walked away with it with a bad first impression of the School for Good and Evil series should just read the books instead. They’re so much more memorable, emotional, funny and charming. I just hope they somehow fix all this if the movie gets a sequel.
I dont even know how they would do a sequel considering they mashed together books 1 and 3, the whole point of book 3 is revealing the school master and his manipulation tactics towards Sophie that catered towards her self entitlement and greed. Book two isn't even possible since most of the plot revolves around Evelyn Sadder too- and if her brother wasnt deemed important enough even though HE WAS LIKE THE LITERAL CATALYST OF EVERYTHING CAUSE OF HIS HISTORY BOOKS, PAINTINGS AND LESSONS TO AGATHA- I dont know how they'd even insert her. Especially since her whole goal is to be the school masters true love (becuase everyone else still thinks hes the good brother- but she can tell he's the evil one) if sophie already got a half assed version of that storyline in book one idk what motive Evelyn would even have to be villanous. Plus Aric is a whole other thing, Lesso wouldn't love him since he forbid her for seeing Aric, making him the evil asshole. THen we also get the erasure of Yuba, who is the only way Sophie can transform to get into the school for boys. The moment they removed half of the relevant staff in the book- when this was a rare book about school- where the characters actually went to class with actual focuses within the classes that added actual details to the story- this book was gonna be screwed becuase the adults in this book actually had inherent thought out purposes.
My sister is a huge fan and memorized everything, and I do mean everything, and all I could hear while we were watching it was "That's not right" "That's not what happens" "That's wrong, they missed such an important part of the story" and so on, making sure to describe everything they got wrong or forgot in detail.
That was me as well, only difference is it’s been a long time since I’ve read the books again, so I was really relying on my memory and some refreshers provided by old fans
I read the book series when I was younger and I'm kind of frustrated that they didn't include: 1. everyone of Gavaldon (the readers) in the book know about the fairytales and the SFGE. It was a thing that they would lock up their kids so they weren't kidnapped by the School Master. Literally there was a hilarious scene of Sophie prying off boards and fixing her hair while she waited. 2. the Trial by Tale was NEVER about who's romancing who-it was for all the students to see who would make a good leader, henchperson, animal sidekick...etc 3. Cockroach Agatha. Edit: so many good points in the comments! They took out all the cool teachers and 90% of the weirdness, Sophie being a horrible, no good, very bad friend, the coven time, Tagatha straight up hating each other and Agatha wearing the pants. I wanted to see Sophie kill a swan by singing to it like Snow White- where's *that* Disney movie?
plus I don't think she just looks average. She's absolutely beautiful even with her hair frizzy and without make up and masculine clothes. Like what is supposed to be ugly about that? Or witchy- like I don't dislike th cast change becase the actress is black but because it doesn't make sense.
But isn’t the whole point that everyone thinks she’s evil because of her personality and her tendency to wear black and reclusiveness, and she herself finds herself ugly because of low self esteem? The whole point is that she’s been beautiful all along, and so you can’t cast someone who isn’t ‘beautiful’ if the whole point of her arc is that beauty is objective and societal, and what truly matters is who you are and how you act.
@@claireattemptsatmusic7481 In the movie its made very clear that everyone thinks shes ugly especially when dovey straight up tells her to her face its a mistake shes in good. Also I think u just contradicted urself with the whole "they had to cast someone beautiful otherwise her character arc is pointless because beauty is objective and it matters who you are" so, explain to me why she had to be cast as someone extremely pretty if the point is you dont have to be? seriously the actress being so pretty honestly kinda jsut downplays the arc agatha had to go through
@@SydlineMiddy i mean yea i guess, but it's kind of like when teen movies try to convince you the hot main lead is ugly just cause they're "a nerd" and wear glasses or have bangs or something yk
Maaan this whole thing was such a huge disappointment. But what I’m most upset about is Sophie. In the film they made it seem like she was actually good but was just influenced by this evil dude, which wasn’t the case in the books. I remember reading the first book and being SO frustrated with Sophie because of how utterly delusional and evil she was. In the books Sophie was literally the embodiment of evil, but what really stood out was her selfishness and cowardice. She didn’t care for Agatha and was just using her, while Agatha was such a sweetheart to Sophie no matter what stunt she pulled, and she’d always try to protect Sophie with her own life because Agatha genuinely believed that she was her only friend, and without her she (Agatha) would be completely alone because “who would want to be friends with someone like her?”. And Sophie USED that insecurity against Agatha and would gaslight&manipulate her all the time. So basically what made Sophie truly evil was how she made you feel throughout the books and how she herself genuinely believed she was good. So she wasn’t just pretending to be good while knowing she was evil, no, she actually believed herself to be this sweet sugary angel while on the inside she was a rotten hag and never failed to prove it again and again. Who was evil in her eyes? Everyone who opposed her basically. She was just delusional. Oh man I hated her so much in the beginning hahahah. So yeah, my advice would be to read the books if you haven’t yet :)
@@nansiipii9018 YESSS, I was actually cheering for her at that point because I felt sorry for her hair 😂 Still, when Dot told her “I hope one day someone will come along who is evil enough to kill him” (or something along the lines), and at that point Sophie had already killed him, it honestly made you see just how evil she was. Because even those who actually wanted to be in the school for evil couldn’t possible imagine themselves killing someone, yet Sophie did it with no remorse and no hesitation.
@@larensiaflorensita3189 yeah and they said a lot about her hair bafore that happened so you would know how much her hair was important to her .. here in the movie lesso cuting her hair doesn't mean anything cause first : viewers didn't know how much she cares about her hair ( like she throw fown a lake in the middle of their room to just brush her fucking hair 😐 ) so what was the point in cutting her hair if we're not gonna hear the wolfs speach about it ?! , 2 : leso was smart and chill she would never do a studwnts punishmemt herselfe cause there is no reson for it , 3 : she didn't kill the beast so viewers didn't realise how evile she is , 4 : why would they cut her hair off in rhe forst place ?! Just beacuse she talked to tedros ?! Evrybody always talk to eachother and nothing happens but in the books they cut her hair because she throw a stick in leso's face and kinda was a part of the reason why students started a fight .. And all of this mistakes is just for one secence
Honestly they should have stretched it out into a tv series like how they did with shadow and bone. The school for good and evil is such a fascinating concept and I loved the books growing up, they really would make an incredible show. I mean really, one book per season, 5-6 hour long episodes and they would have a really successful show. And tbh I’m personally disappointed that they kinda washed out all of Agatha’s gothness completely and just made her into “not like other girls” tomboy type. I feel like they removed all of her personality in this movie.
EXACTLY!! In the movie, the kids were just obvious bullies picking on a random girl but if she looked more like Hester then it would make total sense why everyone and herself believed that she would end up in the School for Evil.
what do you mean by 5-6 hour episodes??? like one episode would be 5-6 hours??? or like all of them together would be5-6 hours? because making episode that long is nonsense not even movies are that long
They made Sophie so much less evil. She KILLED one of the wolf guards. I get that her thoughts obviously couldn't be shown but some things I wish they put in to show us that she isn't "misunderstood" or something.
Having not read the books and only seen the movie, I think one of the themes is that humans aren’t one color. We aren’t all good or all evil. Having Sophie kill someone in a movie would mean the screenwriters would have to make her redeemable again to go with this message, which can be hard in two hours. If they would do a second movie the could have built up to her killing and ended with that but Netflix is famous for canceling so I assume the writers didn’t want to build up to nothing and also muddle their main message of humans are complex.
@@simplesimply3753 She was never supposed to have redeeming qualities. That was what made her character interesting. You still liked her even tho she was a terrible (and frankly cringy) person overall. In the challenge with Tedros she wasn't even afraid of the monster. She was complaining and mad at Tedros for losing to the monster. In the movie they made her look scared. She's supposed to be "evil". Maybe they did try to make this movie more about "love and friendship" but if they are planning to make more movies, messing with Sophie's character is gonna mess the whole plot up. I definitely recommend the books... Well. I just hope we still get a second movie because Filip x Tedros was one of my favorite arcs.
I read the books and I disagree, sophie always had a dream and they ripped it out of her hands not only that but they also made her question all her beliefs and herself. for me sophie is a victim and a lot of people don't really understand her, she just wanted to be loved, of course she has a lot of bad things but tedros and agatha too, the moral of these books is that we are all bad and good and they also show the impact that labels have on people. She IS misunderstood. If all your dreams were stolen while people constantly re-emphasize that you are bad person (something you never wanted to be) and that led to you losing hope, could you still be a good person?
@@simplesimply3753 The books kind of do that message better imo. Something the movie changed was how much screen time Rafal had, and especially how much influence he had on Sophie. Because Movie Sophie was nice and friendly and did nothing wrong and all of her actions can be explained away by the manipulation of Rafal, it takes all the blame off of her completely. Book Sophie was prissy and narcissistic and knew what she was doing, she straight up slaughtered all of the fairies and wolves, Rafal had no influence on her and tbh he didn't really do anything until the very end of the book. The main theme of the series is that people aren't just good or evil, black or white but with Movie Sophie being portrayed as fully good, there's no nuance
AS A PERSON WHO WAS A BIG FAN OF THE BOOKS, I WAS SO ANGRY THAT SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SCENES WERE LEFT OUT OR REPLACED . It definitely should have been a TV series
My older sister really hated it XD And she supposed I wanted to read the book :'D I don't read books much and I easily get bored. Thus leading me to dislike the movie, one because it was boring, two because Sophie was annoying and her leaving the school is a let down, and lastly I think that I would rather have a twist ending.
@@wowwawee0730 yeah the twist in the movie was underwhelming, I understand if you don't want to read the books now 😭 I really liked Sofie's actress but her character seemed more "misunderstood" rather than evil( in the book she actually kills one of the guards). In the book there's a little twist where the fairies were actually former Nevers and the wolves were former Evers. I have to read it again to be sure, but I recommend reading it if you're curious
In the book it was more exciting and had a lot of dark details, it annoyed me that the people of the town did not know the existence of the school of the good and evil when in the book the parents surrounded the town so that their children would not be kidnapped by the shadow so that they would not they took him to that school, they wanted to make it like a disney chanel movie, taking away everything exciting
Yes! That was so frustrating. They made the townspeople look like clueless idiots when really, while still not being great people, they were trying to protect the children!
Exactly my thoughts, I feel that a lot of the darkness is missing in the movie, the books were made for teens, not for children and I think Netflix made a movie for kids, not teens and young adults. (sorry for my bad english)
That part was so frustrating to me. I remember reading that parents begged their good kids to swear or act up and the bad kids to be nice and polite. In the movie it's just like their all dumb and clueless. They only care about I dunno? riding on the backs of trucks and yelling at people?
@charles Yeah, like I loved Kerry Washington, Charlize Theron, and Sofia Whylie. But the guy they had for Tedros! Definitely did not fit my mental image
This should've been a series. The books are packed with interesting themes (ex: Agatha helping Sophie with Tedrose bc she wants her friend to be happy (ie "good") vs Sophie really only "helping" Agatha bc she's her "good deed" (ie "evil") and Agatha showing the "good" side that they're truly all performative in their goodness. It's not just bird orchestras and pastel colours) that should have been given time and nuance but instead it was all smushed into one very rushed movie
If it was a show we wouldn't have gotten such an all-star cast🙄. Everyone crying about a show when a movie gets better funding and more attention from ppl outside the fandom
Screenplay: She says to the handsome boy "Do they usually batt their eyes and smile at you?" He responds "Yes! ....Yes, they usually do, and it's boring." She then proceeds to batt her eyes and smile at the handsome boy.
Can we talk about how everyone was so obsessed with Sophie's frizzled dry hair (that I'm positive is a crap wig) but Agatha has a beautiful lioness mane going on and she's outcasted for it. Make it make sense?
Huge messy hair has just never been considered beautiful tbh. Her wig may have been crap and all but it wasn't huge or frizzy or anything. Think Hermione, her hair was also insanely messy and frizzy and everyone at school made fun of her for it. People just like perfect blond hair more ig.
my hair is a dry frizzy mess and locks into itself within 5 minutes of drying, rip brushes, but because it's reddish blonde people like it its always about color over texture idk why
@@Andreadexxo Well yeah it's against the rules, but in the book Sophie secretly straight up murders someone for cutting her hair, which was a huge part of her character development in turning evil
@@lenabellflowers yea no i get that.. just answering the why ! The movie was so rushed (but was still so long?) but i mostly feel like they didnt want her to be truly ‘evil’ in this book, just selfish and naive
Having it be lady Lesso who did it makes it feel more like a personal attack that real torture. And not killing anyone after feels like such an underreaction to the destruction of something that is supposed to be one of the most important things in the world to Sophie. There is no impact to the scene, no push for her to embrace evil
I never understood why they even brothered making Sophie look like a witch slowly only for them to turn her beautiful in the never vs ever fight. It's like the build up of her consequences just got thrown out of the window.
I thought she purposely did that, seems like she planned a loophole to change herself back, which is why Agatha was telling Tedros to not fire the arrows at them cuz it was a trick.
@@mannymayoral8309 you are correct. It’s even more elaborate in the books, she purposefully helps Agatha sneak into the evil castle without Agatha knowing and makes her think that if they dance they’ll bring peace but when Tedros comes in Sophie tells Tedros that Agatha was here because she planned everything and was working with Sophie to destroy him. Tedros shoots an arrow AT AGATHA because of Sophie’s manipulations and Sophie turns the arrow into a daisy and then the good evil switch happens.
They killed ALL the misteries and plot twist. The legend, and the fear of the people of Gavaldon. The friendship of the two deans. The battle royal of the Trail by Tale. The secret of the Schoolmaster. The training of the goods and evils together. Mixed lady Lesso with Rafal's exmistress from the second book. And these are just what hurt me the most.
@@toast-ep8sb I think we can make the term "a film that should have been a seires" and put it next to the "meeting that should have been an e-mail" as a thing what's execution was just done in the wrong way.
YES!!! All of this is what hurt me the most to, the loss of the lore of the school and the terror it inflicts in Gavaldon. How it’s a terrifying legend. It send SUCH a chilling atmosphere throughout the books regarding the true nature of terror this school is about 😭 The TRAIL!! AUGH 😩😩 could have PERFECTLY show just how dark it can get in this school with everyone trying to murder Sophie 😭 and developing Dovesso as a legit long-lasting friendship (that they could have turned into a romance later but honestly they are SO good together no matter in what context loool and either one would work honestly) but instead they were awkward and angry around each other instead of long time friends 😖😭 which makes it feel like we are starting from ground 0 regarding their relationship now 😭
Best scene was when the goth kids fought the preppy kids in a ballroom while Sophie aged 80 years and Toxic plays in the background, and then the preppy kids turned emo through the power of finger magic. That's what I call cinema
Yeah, I didn't get the point of that at all. Sophie is acting like it's that ah-ha moment of "I didn't need to switch schools, it's the schools that needed to switch" and I'm like....what does that actually change other than your clothes? The whole "Good protects, Evil attacks" thing didn't matter at all because that means Sophie and Co. are attacking whether they're striking unprovoked (as Evil) or countering the first blow (as Good). If the schools hadn't actually switched, Sophie and Co. would have attacked anyway. That rule of "Good protects, Evil attacks" was contrived to manufacture non-existent stakes to the battle but it had no bearing on the plot at all.
@@marielaberge8236 Yes 😭😭 in the film Sophie legit never attacks them first, she baits them into attacking her first so she can then claim she is defending herself as she and the rest of the evil students have a reason to hurt and maim the good students 😭 it is yet…another inconsistency from book to movie *sigh* 😔
The only thing I really liked, like truly, was the scene of the goth kids turning preppy aka the Evil turning Good bcos THAT SOUNDTRACK COMBINED WITH THE VISUAL EFFECTS?? stunning. Can’t fault the cgi and shots this film has.
@@marielaberge8236 yep, it's not acknowledged in the movie but in the book while fighting they switch all the time throughout the fight and eventually loose their sides and fight anything that moves, not enough budget/time for that chaos I imagine
I love how they found real torture for Sophie in the torture room. For Sophie, the biggest torture is losing her beautiful hair. GOODBYE, RAPUNZEL! She hit her where it hurts the most and it's so...evil.
Lol, it's hilarious bc literally in the third book Sophie has the ability to stop all this death and destruction that is happening to both sides by just destroying a wedding ring she has and instead she's like "Ummmmm how about instead, Tedros has to give up his forever after with Agatha and give me a chance, and once he loves me again then I'll stop people from dying and the entire world from getting destroyed." Like Sophie is actually pure evil and I wish they had done better. Like when you take aspects of the book out of the movie then all of these ideas in the movie seem so stupid, but its like wait no these ideas are actually really thought provoking but you should read the books because they make sense in the books....idk at least the movie looked pretty.
Yes!!! The ideas in the movie seem stupid because NONE of them were explored properly with the characters being so off base from who they ACTUALLY are in the story or with the right character motivations. So because the movie messed those things up so badly, the ideas it’s trying to explore in the movie fall flat while with the ACTUAL story in the books, these ideas are explored so freaking well through the examples the characters set. It’s honestly so brilliant and truly makes you think! But the movie ruined all that 😑
@The fox it's because every movie is now made with an agenda behind it, netflix doesn't want to anger the batshit crazy feminist who are the personification of sophie.
@@mariyamkhizrmusamovie didn't even address that. She lands and Hort says she has princess hair, lady lesso cuts her hair, the movie makes it 100% about her hair
The scene from the book where Aggie is crying about no one loving her no matter how good of a person she was made me break down in tears, and made me love the books even more.
They completely changed Agatha’s personality, that scene was so important to her character, but at least you can find a video with the scene (it was deleted)
And with Agatha and Tedros, it’s hardly even an enemies to lovers. And they don’t have the development where Tedros slowly realises Agatha is good and fall in love with her.
can’t believe they left out that every student’s finger glow is a different colour. And Tedros and Agatha have matching golden finger glows because they are soulmates :,(
I can’t believe they left out that every student’s finger glow is a different colour. Sophie’s was hot pink and Tedros and Agatha had matching golden finger glows because they are soulmates :,(
Sophie’s narcissism, selfishness, and egotistical behavior were the reasons why she didn’t get into the good school. Agatha had a good heart and knew when to put others over her own ideals also she wanted to get back home to her mom. Also in the first book, at the end-Sophie and Agatha were supposed to kiss! I was waiting for that to happen!
In the book, Sophie became Agatha’s friend because she thought it would give her a charitable enough image to consider her “good” enough for the School for Good, but they grew to be real friends anyway. Also, the book didn’t feel the need to TELL us how strong their bond was, it SHOWED us!
Exactly!!! And that telling and not showing is always throughout the film! I think is most shown with Tedros and his backstory honestly 😭 no flashback just Agatha saying a line when in the book it affected his every thought like 😭😭
Yeah in the movie the friendship felt like 🤨🤨 uh ok… No fr tho.. also the fact that the girls didn’t know about SGE in the movie at the start instead of the how it was in the book, with a child chosen every four years BUT THE WHOLE REASON SOPHIE BECAME FRIENDS W AGATHA WAS TO DO A GOOD DEED SO SHE COULD BE KIDNAPPED?? (And also possibly she wanted a villain for her story) the movie basically almost erased their friendship so now they’re just randomly friends and that’s why they have to spend so much time TRYING TO CONVINCE U that they’re close SHE HAD LEGIT BEEN PREPARING FOR YEARSSS.. instead movie Sophie just starts out as a normal.. actually nice girl?? LIKE IT DIDNT EVEN SHOW SOPHIES THOUGHTS THAT HAD DARK UNDERTONES LIKE IN THE BOOK.. So when movie Sophie was revealed truly evil it made no sense + they skipped exactly HOW she spiralled into madness in the book (including KILLING THE BEAST FROM THE DOOM ROOM?!)
@@jammyk.7905 yeahhhhhh ikr..... and in the movie the book shop owner says "nothing you haven't read a thousand times" if so, then didn't she see the SGE stamp that's in like all the Fairytale books!! And also in the movie they went with the stereotypical evil stepmother? I can't remember correctly but I'm pretty sure she didn't do anything to her... And also they cut out Professor August Sader (one of the most important characters in the story) he basically paved the way for Agatha, and for the story... also in the 3rd book he played a major role.. I'm comfused, in the movie Rafal said "the Seers told me everything" or something... AND SADER WASN'T EVEN INCLUDED... they just added random details and rushed things! And they didn't include Castor, pollux and also there was another character too.... well alot of characters were missing! Also I was waiting to see Sophie's beauty classes, and the circus of talents and what the heck was that trial by tale in the movie? The trial by tail was such an emotional and important EVENT!... And also GREGOR??? Like wha-- in the book, the gargoyle scene was very emotional! Agatha was willing to save him whoever he was and welp... in the movie even if it was the stymph, they could have added more deapth to it... and also when the good school's tower got on fire... Sophie saw it from the evil school and was actually low key happy that it happened, cuz she was like who would burn the school on the first day or something... and she thought of it as a chance to switch schools too! And also what happened to Agatha's actual graveyard goth look! I mean that was a major detail tooo! And They couldn't put Radly into the movie too! Ahhh there's just so many stuff i want to tell! At least they got the WISH FISH scene a bit correctly! But i am just so saaad!! They really could have done better! I can't even imagine how the sequel will be! Like for real.... And pl don't even get me started with the coven!! T____T
They took out SO many details and big chunks of the book that made the story interesting especially taking away all of the fun in the characters personalitys and making them seem like regular fairy tale tropes. For example in the books Sophie was 100% evil she manipulated, gaslighted and even tried to kill Agatha, whereas in the books she just had a few outfit changes and attacked Hester with some wasps. And Agatha was not like the princess she was in the movie she was insecure of how she looked making her way more relatable in the books and she also wasn't some gorgeous girl who was a barely an outcast. What proved her good in the books was more than being swapped into the good school, she always was there for Sophie, trying to help her win a prince, doing her evil homework so she didn't fail, even defending and forgiving her after she was horrible to her. To sum what I have to say up, they took all the diversity of the characters personality, all the amazing big parts of the story and almost everything that made the books great and traded that scenes of Sophie in different outfits. So, go read the books, the story is amazing in the books.
@@Raquel-of8gdThe book is pretty popular, so I don't think it would be too hard to buy the book or borrow it at a library, depending on where in the world you are. If you can't find it in bookshops or labraries, you could try to Buy it online, or maybe you could find an e-book of it? I myself found the book in a bookshop.
Agatha was done a huge disservice in the movie. In the book, she is the only one who has ever been able to enter both the School for Good and the School for Evil. She helps Sophie by mogrifying into a cockroach and feeding her the answers. She doesn’t do well in most of her own classes BUT when it comes to the test on what it actually means to be a good person she’s the only one who passes with flying colours. She gets hurt by Sophie when she feels Sophie is using her. Agatha is able to grant wishes on her own because she has a pure heart. As for Tedros, he takes notice of Sophie on his own accord. It is in the trial by tale (in which all students participate) that he connects with Agatha. It is there that they realize they both see each other for their true selves. And Sophie wants so badly to prove she is good. When she discovers her “evil” powers are akin to a dark twist of “good” princess abilities everyone thinks that’s cool and are in awe of her
@@isabelleburdge4308 definitely read it. I just finished it the other day after watching the movie, and the book is like a different story, but better!
I watched the movie sometime back and I was literally screaming at the TV cause they didn't add the adding the "The CIrcus of Talents" I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT ONE SCENE-
In the books, every four years two children from the town disappear and a box of new fairytales is delivered to the bookstore (both on the same night, exactly every four years like clockwork). The townsfolk eventually recognized some of the characters in the fairytales as the missing children. They realize that they live near the world these fairytales take place in and that the children that go missing are kidnapped by the person who delivers the new fairytales (known as the "School Master"). The town also figures out that the children aren't chosen at random, one exceptionally good-hearted child and one especially mean-spirited child is chosen each time. When we begin the story, the people of Gavaldon already know all of this and it has been important part of shaping the culture of the town. Every child and every household owns a copy of every single fairytale. The fairytales are studied in school as a part of history and social studies, to try to help children avoid getting chosen and give them a better chance at surviving if they do. The townsfolk live in fear and desperation leading up to the date of the kidnapping, and come up with as many ways to try to stop the School Master as they possibly can. The people of Gavaldon live with the knowledge that *a lot* of the children that get kidnapped end up dying terrible, brutal deaths. Also, Sophie's entire life goal has *always* been to be a fairytale princess and marry a handsome prince. Every day of her life is spent ensuring that she is the picture perfect fairytale heroine. She has a ridiculous beauty routine, is nice to everyone and makes sure to do good deeds every single day. Sophie is beloved by the townsfolk and everyone assumes that she is going to be the Good Child that will kidnapped that night. And Agatha doesn't want to be a witch, she wants to lead a simple, normal life in Gavaldon and live out all of her days in graveyard-manor-antisocial-bliss. I also don't like that they put her in pants. Her dresses are simple, unfitted and all black, but the movie couldn't allow her even the tiniest sliver of femininity 'cause "It'S iMpoSiBLe FoR a FEmaLe ChArACter tO bE a StRoNg FeMaLe cHaRaCTeR if ShE wEArs SkIrTs".
I was bored halfway through the movie but kept watching (to my regret) and now I'm learning about this. I can't believe they passed up on this amazing element of world-building straight from the books. It makes the main characters so much more compelling and really captures a certain atmosphere of fear within the town that heightens the stakes of the protagonists' story since there is an actual readership in that town being made aware of their fate. The whole "we make the stories that teach people how to live their lives" thing is vague and moralistic in the movie, but if what you say is right, in the books it is actually deeply personal to the people of the very town the two were kidnapped from. The villagers' own goodness/evilness is performative too, not genuine, because their aim is to safeguard their children from becoming the victims of the tales they read about.
@@marielaberge8236 Yup. There's also the factor that the citizens of Gavaldon were trapped. Whenever someone tried to leave, they'd get turned around and end up back in town. Later, it turns out that the 'Reader' world was just a small pocket of the larger world inside a magic barrier, for the express purpose of having a literally captive audience for the fairy tales. The people of that town couldn't just up and leave, they were stuck. With very few exceptions that the books reveal later, no one goes in to Galvadon and no one, except the kidnapped children, leave. Agatha, early on, was one of the few 'School sceptics' left in town. She told Sophie that the school wasn't real, and that the kids who went missing were just two dumb teens who tried to pull a prank and didn't come back because they were eaten by wolves. She also denied that the townspeople were stuck there, claiming that everyone was just stupid and got turned around in the woods. I don't remember if it's explicitly stated, but it's at least implied that Agatha's denial was because deep down she was deathly afraid. She was just as certain that she'd be picked for Evil as everyone in town was, and her only means of coping with that was pretending that everyone was just superstitious and that the school wasn't actually real. I haven't seen the film yet, so I can't comment much except that I'm not looking forward to it. Based on what I've heard and the trailer, it seems that it really stripped away most of the layers of the story and dumbed it down. Which is a shame because, though I have my criticisms of the books, I think that at the first one was full of genuinely well thought out subtle deconstruction of the concept.
There's enough material in the books for it to have been made into a full T.V. series and we'd actually get to see the characters have time to grow and develop more in a T.V. series than in a movie. I really think it would be better if they went with making it a T.V. series instead
There’s so much they left out, but to only begin listing, for one Sophie was literally waiting for the School Master her entire life. It’s known throughout Gavaldon because of the kidnappings. In fact, it’s the reason Agatha and Sophie are EVEN FRIENDS. Sophie decided she’d befriend the graveyard girl because it was a good deed and she needed to be accepted in the school for good. Throughout the first part of the book, they hardly got along, despite their fragments of friendship being cute enough already. Agatha literally accused Sophie of doing this only to get in and tried to kick her out when Sophie came by, but apparently she didn’t hate her quite so much since when she saw Sophie getting grabbed by the dark figure she ran in to go save her. The thing is, this shows Agatha being good. She didn’t have to do that, but in the few seconds she had she ran for her. In the movie, we don’t see her doing anything even remotely good until the stymph scene. She’s just modest, I guess? But Agatha acknowledges being Good later, does that mean she’s less good? No, because her just not knowing and having genuine self esteem issues (which they ALSO washed away REALLY BADLY) is apparently enough to make her Good. We see in the handbook set after the third book that school applications require mention of Good / Evil deeds. So why are Readers exempt from that in the movie? They’re not supposed to be. Oh and not to mention- I may genuinely like the actress for Agatha but I think it shows just how little effort was put in that A) Agatha has really big eyes, it is mentioned as an ugly feature but later as an attractive one after she “becomes pretty”. B) that she has very pale skin, again first as an ugly feature then as an attractive one. C) she has black hair and black eyes. D) she has a bony figure. A. Bony. Figure. And in a scene with the other villagers, they call her a PIG. You’re kidding, right? The actress isn’t fat or anything, but she’s not exactly skinny- and this was used as an insult, so they shouldn’t have made it worse by literally changing the lines to call her fat instead…She doesn’t have the “bug eyes”. She isn’t pale skinned (which is forgivable but I feel like she was just a diversity cast), and the only thing she can tick off is having black eyes. It makes no sense that the actress literally embodies ONLY the one canonical feature that isn’t mentioned nearly as much as the rest. I had to think for a minute, confused, whether they really even did. I’m going to be honest, as an asian person, I really wanted the representation this time considering the visual description of Agatha. I always imagined her that way, and the actress (while I genuinely like her portrayal) looks nothing like how many people and me pictured her (because it was based off the book’s literal descriptions). If they were going to do a diversity cast, why not someone that actually looks the part? I say this as a FAN OF THE ACTRESS. And Sophie. Oh my god, Sophie. They didn’t even give her green contacts. 😭. There’s so much dialogue relating to her eyes and such that it annoys me so bad they’re going to change that ALL. They’re green and unique (that’s literally how Tedros finds them familiar in the second book). They’re green like her mother’s, and it’s just something I’m very annoyed about considering how easy it would have been to do. But if this is dramatic that’s justified cause I can understand that being small as someone who isn’t a fanatic of this series. The hair chop scene. Oh…lord. They butchered that SO BAD. I understand Lady Lesso cutting her hair could have actually been good because Lady Lesso and Sophie have a great teacher-student relationship throughout the series and it’s done really well… in the books, at least… it wasn’t nearly as powerful as it should have been. It just didn’t work for me. The scene in the book shows Sophie being truly at a loss. She kills the man-wolf for doing this to her. It shows a bit of her spiral into insanity. In the movie, she just throws a hissy-fit and screams a bit but really does NOTHING. Sophie in the book- you can see her terror projected, her absolute rage, her insanity killing the man-wolf, and her Evil that really comes to life throughout the first book. It makes me sad that she just turns emo in the movie… Sophie wasn’t such a wannabe. She blew into a rage, insane, and had actual Evil moments where her power was shown and she killed people needlessly. They took so much from her character, because now it’s not a slow spiral into insanity as a girl who always tried to be Good realizes her Evil, but a girl throwing a tantrum over not being at the pretty princess school. They don’t show her learning her Evil powers and being super manipulative to Agatha, her desperately clinging to the vision of her being good as she loses it slowly because of several REAL REASONS, they didn’t even do the mirror scene. Oh my god when I heard they didn’t do the mirror scene…I think I shed a tear. Agatha’s character is built quite well because she’s a girl that conformed to the concept the town put on her and painted her as, that secretly read princess stories because she’d always hoped silently for her own. Unlike Sophie she felt the need to force them down. She had self esteem issues because she felt ugly and was depressed. She thought she had to be a witch like her mother because witches were ugly and weird according to Gavaldon and oh did she fit that description. She hated herself enough that she was afraid of mirrors. The mirror scene with Dean Dovey really showed the two’s close mentor-student relationship. It showed Agatha seeing her own beauty for the first time, loving it for the first time, loving herself for the first time. She smiled for the first time, because she finally felt pretty. That was powerful. Truly. I cannot process how they didn’t think it was important enough to even incorporate. After that scene Agatha actually tries to prioritize herself, which without this scene makes no sense. Agatha is always thinking about others in the beginning. Sophie and I are stuck. Sophie needs to go home, I need to help, my mother is at home alone and she needs me, et cetera. Even at Gavaldon she prioritizes her mother at all times. Not herself. She sees herself as the main character for ONCE and actually thinks she can have her fairytale, which is IMPORTANT. It shows her stepping out of Sophie’s shadow and not constantly letting herself be used by her anymore. To Sophie she’s just a side character and Sophie is the everything, the princess, the heroine. Agatha decides she wants her own fairy tale and Sophie immediately sees this as stealing hers. Because Agatha has to be the witch in her tale. The Evil, the scum, the loser. This. Is. Powerful. And we lost that. How did we lose that? In the movie, they’re just immediately close friends (which is much smoother and easier than in the books later on because the actresses have great chemistry I’ll give them that) but they’re not supposed to be…they’re supposed to be really forced. Their friendship builds slowly and their bond grows SLOWLY. They ignore in the beginning that Sophie doesn’t even actually care about Agatha and they ignore the mourning of Sophie and her missing her deceased mother. They hardly do the amazingly written struggle of a relationship between Sophie and her father…. They don’t show the hurt feelings deep inside of Sophie that her father doesn’t love her anymore or care because he has a new family. Sophie tries to not care about her father because she thinks he doesn’t care to love her anymore (literally in a dialogue she states that he’s happier and always would have been happier with sons now that he has 3 with that new fat woman). They don’t show her father showing his care in the small ways he can and Sophie misunderstanding that. They don’t show Sophie’s forced down feelings about it all. Oh, and I nearly forgot, but the f*cking talent scene with Agatha! God, I cannot believe they ruined that! The whole point was for the fairies and wolves to be exposed for being past students. It was PEAK. It was DEEP. It showed Agatha’s true good. She revealed the lost, imprisoned souls of the students that just so happened to fail 3 times and even the Nevers cried at her performance, Hester literally surrendered to the punishment after Agatha finished…and the wolves protected her. So powerful, such a great scene. Much more powerful than screaming and punching a guy. Maybe you don’t get it if you didn’t read the books, but all of these are important because they’re recurring and they add to a lot of things. They build the actual characters of Sophie and Agatha and if we don’t have those things it’s harming not only the first movie but the live action series in general. It’s already stained upon and there’s not much that can cover this. I haven’t gotten any sleep since 2 days ago. It’s early morning. I’m sorry if you decided to read this. I’m going to go make ramen noodles and cry. I’m sleep deprived so don’t take any of this seriously.
@@stopgenduh1690 Percy Jackson liturally has one of the worst movies of all time yet it's considered as one of the best children's book and it's now coming to Disney plus. Terrible book adaptations are nothing new lol
The books have their relationship start out a lot clearer. Sofie is is only nice to Agatha because she thinks it's what will get her into the school for good. Agatha is one of those girls who are all shabby and afraid of sunlight. Thats why they end up where they do, because sofie is evil and Agatha is good.
I LOVED that Sophie was only a friend to Aggie bc she was so vain and determined to get in the School for Good that she was willing to use anyone. I'm not saying I like her character for that, but instead I'm saying it was only the first chapter that it was introduced and it already, subtly showed that she was downright Evil in the first place without directly stating it.
@@sugar9970 Exactly!!! Sophie and Agatha’s friendship had to GROW and the fact that they started the movie with them already being best buddies RUINS all that development they had to go through to become true friends to each other 😭😭
Somewhere in the Netflix writers office, there's a box filled with every cliche. And when they want to make a series or adapt an existing series they reach in, throw it all on the ground and no matter what order the cliches fall, they write the script as is
@@tothemoonbase hmm. I have not read the book, so it's interesting to know that they have taken the originator of a cliche, and created something that is falls into the pitfall of the cliche
U have no idea how excited i got when the two girls kissed, only to yell at my tv screen two minutes later when the other girl kisses the prince and the narrator calls them best friends.
I hated how they made Sophie seemed like a good person who was slightly flawed like no she was an asshole. When they we’re getting dragged in the woods it wasn’t “ik you’ll never let me get hurt aggie 🥺” it’s was “you can’t ever be happy for me. you’re sabotaging me because i’m a princess and youre jealous that you’ll never be as pretty and perfect as me” it wasn’t “aggie and sophie became friends after sophie’s mom died” it was “sophie befriended agatha bc she thought being friends with the weird loner girl would make her seem like a better person to the school master” like it just ruins her character bc in the following books no one knows if sophie is truly good or evil she didn’t even know and it ruins the entire point of the books where the question is can the goodness or badness of one person truly be definite when they ruin her character and make agatha spell out all the nuance like some shitty school PSA.
UGHHH finallyyyyy I hated how they twisted it like that in the movieeeee ..... that was the thing that made me looove the book and bam ... it is nowhere in the movie
One smallish detail that annoyed me was prof. Dovey. In the books Dovey was old and wise and also kind. She didn’t care about looks and believed in someone’s soul not their appearance. In the film this was lost as Dovey was depicted as very silly not at all like the books Dovey.
ONGGG. When I watched the movie, Clarissa Dovey loses all her cool and doesn’t act as great as she actually did in the book. In the book, when she was trying to get Agatha to look in the mirror, she stayed calm and tried encouraging her despite her also breaking the mirror lmao.
They missed out on so many main points from the book in the movie. Such as the barrier between the two schools so students couldn't get into the other school. But like the more I read the book the more I realised that Sophie was gaslighting Agatha the entire book.
I noticed it without even reading the book. Plus playing the victim, ungrateful, bratty, delusional, manipulative, self-entitled af "A wolf in sheep's clothing"
It's because every movie is now made with an agenda behind it, netflix doesn't want to anger the batshit crazy feminist who are the personification of sophie.
I feel like the real issue this movie should have addressed is how people who are deemed as Good, abuse their privileges by neglecting, bullying, and looking down upon those who are deemed Evil, can be the true villainy all along.
Everything you want right here is all discussed in the book 😭 it’s brilliantly done, too. This movie absolutely BUTCHERED the book and the entire series by making the characters absolutely nothing like how they are written. Due to that, some pivotal scenes that adresses these dynamics had to be cut since it didn’t fit the movie’s approach to the characters, meaning they literally cut half of what makes this story so good 😭 everything you want is shown in the actual story in the book through Agatha’s perspective and what she experiences with the girls around her and who, exactly, is on her side or not. In fact, a PIVOTAL piece of the entirety of what defines Good in the books is how lazy, privileged, and demanding they have become due to Good winning every single fairytale created, so the Good students go into the school already knowing they are going to win. Evil, of course, calls this all out but the problem is because of their losing streak in EVERY FAIRYTALE told, they are beaten down and don’t believe in themselves, perpetuating the losing streak. However, due to Good becoming so lazy and privileged this has let them not try so hard because they already know they will win, but this causes Good to not be watchful and warry of Evil, which is a WEAKNESS. A weakness that Sophie immediately spots and abuses and defeats them every turn of the book PRECISELY because they aren’t watchful of her. The movie barely makes Sophie as evil and selfish as she actually is in the book, making her a VERY serious threat Good literally can’t handle (except for Agatha) because they have let their guard down for so long. It’s honestly a brilliant piece of lore that uses Disney and it’s messaging (vs Grimms fairytales and their messaging) and shows the dramatic irony of it all. It’s honestly brilliantly done. HOWEVER, due to the movie director and team completely BOTCHING Sophie’s entire character, as well as all the characters in the Good school and Agatha, and explaining none of the lore and history behind the two school, all this story and tension is completely cut from the film 😓 I hate it man 😭 just read the book, the movie had SUCH potential for a brilliant story like what you wanted to be told, and the movie team COMPLETELY botched it 😭 I really hope if you are interested enough in this concept you get into the series, or at least book 1, it’s all explored brilliantly in there 🙂
I'm rereading the first book right now, so the differences are fresh in my mind. I'm gonna write up a ginormous comparison of all the little things they changed that I think flattened the world the movie takes place in, pls enjoy and ty for ur time In the movie, the concept of the school is just something the bookseller mentions to Sophie and Agatha randomly like a day before they get kidnapped. In the books, the entire town knows that every four years, two of their children are taken and are never seen again, one odd and outcast and one kind and bright. As a result, this town literally fears uniqueness (providing a better reason for why Sophie is considered so weird, considering how outwardly she WANTS to be kidnapped) There's a scene in the first book where Sophie is tasked with getting a goose to lay a golden egg. Geese only listen to evers, so Sophie's like ok ez, no problem. The goose literally gives up its immortal powers. Sophie's soul is so dark that this magic goose would rather "kill" itself than help her. The scene is meant to contrast Agatha's wish-fish scene Speaking of the wish fish scene. In the movie it's short and she just pulls a girl out and everyone's like wooooah ur so crazy. And then the stymph gets killed and she punches tedros etc etc. In the book, turning the wish fish back into the girl is excruciatingly painful. She literally feels her soul slipping away, the force of it breaks her fingers, and then she gets stampeded by a horde of all the other animals on the school grounds because apparently in this fucked up universe, every animal is a student who wasn't good enough. And then she escapes up to a tower, has a moment of intense connection with a gargoyle in which she realizes that these are *children*, and then just as she's turning him back into a little boy Tedros kills him and calls her a witch for caring Speaking of the animals, in the movie you fail three times and you get turned into an object or an animal or whatever. In the books you don't need to fail. You fill three times in a row and you get vanished, yes. But all you need to do to deserve getting your humanity taken away from you is to place somewhere around the middle. And this is considered an *honor*, to serve the students who are deserving of being princes and princesses. Including dying for them. There's a scene in the book where Agatha manages to get to Sophie's room ready to take her home, and Sophie tackles her, rips her uniform off, and tries to sneak across the bridge. The barrier between the two schools, which Agatha is able to sneak across, shows a reflection of her. The only way it allows her past is if she insults herself Sophie *kills* the Beast, which is the character that chops her hair off in the dungeons in the book. She literally shoves him into sewage, watches him drown, and then goes back to trying to convince the teachers she belongs at the School for Good. And this is like, very early in the book, when both she and Agatha still think there's been a mistake In the books no one actually gets to see the School Master, he's not like the principal or the dean or whatever they made him in the movie. He hides up in the tower with the storian and no one goes up there. There are no stairs to waltz right in, Agatha and Sophie have to ride a stymph up to the window and nearly die every single time they try it The battle between brothers isn't a random fistfight in a courtyard, it's a giant horrible war. And yes, at the end of it one of the brothers kills the other, but no one is actually sure who it is that won. There's no deception needed from mr Evil himself, because all he has to do is Not Tell Anyone which one he is Everyone gets a familiar at some point, and most people are able to tame theirs, but Sophie's (a little cupid) absolutely refuses to listen to her and tries to kill Agatha so many times that they have to trap it in a well There's a cool detail about "nemesis dreams", where Nevers have dreams about the person who's their one true nemesis. Gives merit to Sophie hating Agatha's guts by the time she's fully embraced her Evil, also just an interesting bit of world building that isn't mentioned in the movie at all for some reason Mr Ted Ross himself absolutely HATES his position as local sexy hot guy and wants women to leave him alone. He's not interested in Beatrix even remotely. In the beginning of his character arc he basically goes after girls who have competition just to prove that he can win, which is why the only way Sophie is able to get his attention as the ball gets closer is to flaunt Hort around like a little puppy Sophie holds self-help sessions for Nevers to prove how awesome and Good she is, which I don't think is a super important detail but is also hilarious and they totally should have kept it in The scenes in the blue forest are multiple classes in the books, with repeated scenes where Agatha and other girls are transformed to look identical and the boys are supposed to pick which one is evil and which one is good. Every single time, without fail, Tedros picks Agatha. Even though for about 75% of the first book, he absolutely despises her and is convinced that she's evil. Why would they remove this I am angry Sophie and Agatha don't figure out the whole "true loves kiss" thing for WEEKS, it's a whole thing that they only halfway manage to understand up until a good way through the book Agatha turns into a cockroach to visit Sophie, and for a while the only reason she doesn't fail is because Agatha does all her homework for her and then hides on her shoulder for all of her classes to help her cheat. Sophie, meanwhile, is fully focused only on Tedros The Trial by Tale tournament is a huge competition in which the ten top performing kids from each school are selected to go into the woods. Not sure why they made it a love thing in the movie. Sophie's conflict here isn't that her hot boy loves her (although they're together by this point and the scene where Agatha saves him plays out the same way), instead it's that /all the competitors, from both schools, are trying to murder her/. The point of good becoming evil in the movie makes absolutely no sense. In the books, though, the point is that good always /wins/ in this universe. That's why Sophie tricks the Evers into attacking, because once the Nevers are good, they can actually come out victorious There's a moment right before the Evers burst in during the Never ball where Hester invites Agatha to dance. Without Sophie's interference here, the schools would have been integrated. In fact, multiple times throughout the book, the two schools begin to come together, only for Sophie to fuck it up at the last moment. (The Trial by Tale, where Sophie and Tedros are meant to win together but obviously don't, for example). By the end of the book, the Nevers are Very Much against Sophie, up until the final battle. They lock her into her dorm room, barricade it with furniture, and only let her out because she tricks them
I Didn't even know this was a book. So thank you for this. I feel lile once I read the book I will have an Eragon moment. I saw the movie first liked it well enough to watch it a few times but not to memorize it by heart. Then my mom showed me the book and all I had to do was read the first page to just hate the movie. So I get the feeling with this it would be very similar. I liked it well enough to see a sequel didn'tike it enough to re watch it
@@josephnewsome2935 technically he doesn't realize that the gargoyle he's killing is turning back into a child, but when Agatha tries to explain it to him he refuses to believe her. Everyone in the school already knows that all the animals are children, so the thing that's crazy isn't that he's a little boy, but that she's able to turn him back
Waited 6, 7 years for this to come out. My fifteen-year-old self was so ecstatic when i first heard it’s going to be a film. Re-read the first book 4 times bc it was that memorable and interesting. Beyond devastated they percy jackson-ed the goddamn thing. -10/10.
Also: Dove Cameron as Sophie Freddie Stroma as Tedros Emma Mackey as Agatha Sorry i just had to put this somewhere out there bc I really don’t like the actors and I’ve imagined them in these roles since I first read the books and this imagined casting is so much better than the real ones.
As someone who watched the movie and has never read the books(yet) I have to say I expected this to be a TV series and according to the comments it should have been. I was excited to see that Netflix was making a project about this although as expensive as Netflix is becoming to be they should have had no problem with making this book A series. Not to mention the material they got to work with. the book is very in-depth and detailed
I thought it was gonna be a tv series but was disappointed that it was a movie. I liked the movie as someone who's never read the books. It just felt like it was missing scenes to connect everything and elaborate on the things they bring up and throw away.
I was genuinely confused as to why they didn’t make it into a series. When I clicked to watch it and noticed the 2 hours play time, I was like, why do I remember reading somewhere that it’s a series? Honestly, when adapting books, the trick is to make them into a series. You can actually play out all of the important events that happen in the books and add improvements. Shadow and Bone is a good example of what an adaptation should be like.
That's when I was like, "yep they definitely understood Sophie. Book Sophie would totally do this". I'm just imagining it without the music. No idea how they did that scene without dying laughing
The characters are not how they were in the book. In the book, Sophie was always a wicked person and only started spending time with Agatha as a "good deed," and they messed up Agatha's personality too, in the movie she just has some attitude, like your average sassy teenager, whereas in the book she could be morbid.
I disagree with your take on Sophie in the movie. SPOILERS: Even though she only used Agatha as a good deed in the books, I found that I actually loved their friendship even more in the movie when it was a bit more genuine. I liked how they pushed Sophie constantly, telling her that she is nothing more than evil and that is all she’ll ever be. There is a wickedness within her that flourishes, and it seems like something she’s always suppressed because she wanted to fulfill her stereotypical destiny of being the hero of her own story (that damage and trauma means something magical or special will happen to you because you’ve suffered so much ie her mother’s death and her mistreatment in her household and village). When she gets pierced by the Storian and almost dies, saying “I don’t want to be evil, Aggie” (or something close to that), it really hit me. It means all that much more and I think it’s a lot better here for me than the books. I like how Agatha acted in the movie as well, but I do agree with how Agatha should have been more “weirder” and more sullen looking and morbid.
for me the thing i missed the most in this movie was tedros' character, like him actually having a personality. both the main girls were botched (sofie's narcissism being nullified and agatha being.. yassified.) but man no one's talking about how they did tedros dirty. in the first book he's clearly insecure and worried about how other perceive him, he's a prince who's grown up privileged yet also with such high expectations. after his father's death and his mother leaving him for another man has left him determined to not be tricked by anyone again. this is why h e's so put off by agatha, she doesn't fall into the normal role girls do when they talk to him (which is more based on agatha not being raised with the strict fairytale rules every other girl has been, not her being special and quirky). anyways this leads to tedros disliking her and seeing her as a witch, meanwhile agatha is jealous that he's taking sophie away from her compared to the book, agatha and tedros have that awkward cute energy which really doesn't fit either of their characters. when agatha hits him and embarrasses him in the book (after killing the gargoyle) his insecurities come to light and he responds with being hostile towards her. compared to in the movie where after she hits him for killing gregor he remains bantering with her, not actually being offended. TLDR: they turned tedros into a boy next door type of character rather than him being a layered character
Exactly!!! They botched Tedros character the most honestly they gave him NO context for his fears and insecurities of turning out just like his father and being heartbroken when they could have easily included a backstory scene.
I, too, have read the book series as the kid and it was already a red flag with all the "blood magic", but then Sophie and Agatha are best friends from the beginning, when in the book, Sophie was kind of using Agatha as another check off her list to make it more likely she was kidnapped to the school for good by being friendly to the outcast that even she found gross
She was actually friends with Agatha. They became friends because Sophie saw it as a good deed and I do wish that was in the movie because it shows more of who Sophie was but she did love Agatha. Her motivations were not pure but she did grow to care about Aggie.
@@alicat7633 Thanks for correcting, I haven't read the first book in ages, but I do remember the base plot. I was hoping they'd highlight on this too, but they never do. Like their friendship was perfect until they went to the School for Good and Evil
I never read the books but I could tell that Sohpie should've been just a tad bit more evil before the whole transformation. However, my absolute favorite part was when the smiling teacher finally snapped. The whole movie felt so self aware after that scene
I still can’t believe they had Sophia Anne Caruso, Rachel Boom and Patti Lupone and there wasn’t a musical number, you can’t have that much talent and don’t let them perform .
im a lovely little simp for sophia....yes i would love to hear her shriek (AND THATS IN THE BOOK TOO IT TALKS ABOUT HOW SHE MAKES TEDROS BLEED FROM THE EARS AND SHE ALSO SHATTERS A STAIRCASE)
Thing I like THE LEAST of what they changed from the books to the Movie is Hort. He must be spinning in anger they made him Hook’s Kid instead of his original story where he is Hook’s Sailor’s Kid who is too poor to get decently buried, so part of his mission is to get his a dad a decent burial because he deserves it. It was a lovely that although he is supposed to be evil to the core, he always cared about his dad.
I think I missed something in the books since I though hort was actually uook's biological kid. Mustve missed the part where he said he was hok's sailo's hid😅
I think I missed something in the books since I though hort was actually uook's biological kid. Mustve missed the part where he said he was hok's sailo's hid😅
I think I missed something in the books since I though hort was actually uook's biological kid. Mustve missed the part where he said he was hok's sailo's kid😅
In the books, the town is afraid of the school due to the school abducts two children every four years and they would be called Readers, Sophie treats Agatha like a charity case while thinking being friends with her would send her to the good side while looking down on others, and the townspeople thought Agatha would end up in the evil side of the school because they think she's a witchy/evil looking girl. Later on in the books (spoilers), Agatha and Sophie are twins. Their mother was a student of the evil side of the school and she looked like Agatha but changed her looks looking like an older version of Sophie. She was going to leave Agatha in the forest and keep Sophie after they were born, due to Agatha reminded her on how she looked in the past. I think it would be a tad hard for the people behind the film to pull that part with their mother if they continue on with films.
The books are so good I feel the need to say!! The movie literally took CHUNKS out of the plot that were necessary to make things make sense. They also made Agatha and her story high key boring, and made Sophie far too logical. THE BOOKS ARE AMAZING GO READ THEM. Oh and Tedros is much more of a meme in the books
ALSO Horta dad wasn’t Captain Hook he was a member of his crew who no one remembered. It fleshed Hort out and made him feel like a person. Same with Tedros. That boy had major daddy issues that they just cut out even though it was his most defining character trait. AND they cut out Agatha’s whole arc of self discovery. It felt like more of a film about Sophie rather than a film about BOTH Sophie and Agatha.
@@bonniebellaxoxo8853 I get what you mean Sophie is way more entertaining but it was kinda sad to watch the main arc of one of the main characters just not be their. Especially when it was such a uplifting, love yourself story. Idk I just thought it was disappointing that it was just about Sophie.
Honestly I liked the movie because it was part of my childhood, but one thing that annoyed me was that Sophie learnt about the School for a day and decided she wanted to go there. The whole point in the books is that she waits all her life to be kidnapped. And in the movie it doesn’t make sense as to why she’s evil. She’s evil because all her life she’s only really been friends with Agatha so Agatha can be the “Witch” in her story, and she only really cares about princes and dresses etc instead of being ACTUALLY good. In the movie, both her and Agatha seem like “Good” people, but in the books, Agatha is the stereotypical “weird kid” who plays with matches and scowls at everyone and hates children and thinks fairytales are stupid. But the reason she’s good is because she cares about the people she loves and has a good heart, and was just misunderstood. And she wasn’t pretty like she was in the movie (at least that’s what she thinks) she has sunken bug eyes are dirt all over her and greasy hair. The movie won’t make sense to people who haven’t read the books, and it’s a real shame because there were so many crucial moments in the books that they left out :/
YES!! i hate how Sophie just knew abt SGE just a day before she actually got kidnapped.. It kinda makes her friendship with Agatha in the movie ver. a bit more genuine, since in the book she kinda use Agatha so that she could get kidnapped (since the rule is that there must be 2 kids that get kidnapped, pure good and pure evil).. But yeah i like the book version better bc CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!! Sophie in the beginning of the book is just selfish and prioritized herself first, and just friends with Agatha so that she can be kidnapped.. But at the end of the book she realize that her friendsgip with Agatha is real and that it's more precious than anything else she's been dreaming of.. Again, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! The movie is just them having genuine friendship, then they went to SGE, their mind got messed up bc of the schools, and at the end they just went back to their original self from the start of the movie.. Kinda has no character development at all..
Also, Agatha's character development in the book is her being confident at the end right? The audacity to cut the "makeover" part of the book.. That's literally Agatha's peak of character development.. And also, they cut the talent show part where the princes ask the princesses to the Snow Ball.. Literally that part is when Sophie went full crazy bc Tedros betrayed Sophie and plan to get revenge.. In the movie they just jump into the Snow Ball and just shove it in our face that Tedros is with Agatha in that ball loll
@@devaw5599 yes!!! It never made sense. And also Agatha’s relationship with tedros was so weird. In the books, they hated eachother, in the movie, it was more flirty banter. And tedros was such a boring cardboard cutout pretty boy in the movies while in the books he’s more complicated. I don’t really like thin that much but the book version was better at least.
I don't know if they ever planned a second movie but if they did, I wonder how they would have built it. Movie 1 was good but not at all like the books, so there were stuff that didn't or wouldn't make sense (like the whole August Sader character who has just been erased - how would they have made Evelyn then ?). Also, the end of the movie is Tedros saying goodbye to Agatha. Even though he yelled wait at the end, this doesn't have the "and Agatha left him alone to go back home with her one true love Sophie" like in the books. And that ending is was created the split between boys and girls in the first place - without that, how can Tedros be mad at Agatha ? They said calmly goodbye,she didn't gave him up.
Honestly, I felt like Agatha didn't get as much of a character arc transformation as she did in the book... And I really missed the mirror Agatha, the one that she has to face everytime she goes to the School for Evil, that and the physical transformation of Agatha was really necessary for her arc
Trust me, this book series is utterly PHENOMENAL!!!! This movie doesn’t represent what type of book this is AT ALL. In fact, the movie is almost a parody of the books, silly, overdone, and hilarious! But not like the books at all, which is serious, thought provoking, and reaches such richness in emotional depth and thought in its plot and its characters, that I truly haven’t been as moved by a series of books as I have these! And I’ve learned through this movie form everyone commenting that apparently so many other readers have felt as I have and I’m so happy to have discovered that! I truly haven’t seen a book series this good for so long. They truly are beautiful and I really hope people check out these books! The movies don’t represent the mood and tone of the story AT ALL. These honestly hasn’t been a full series this emotional and thought provoking in a LONG time. Trust me, read the whole series and it will make sense 🙂 but if anyone has any questions regarding it or curiosities of what it’s all about I would LOVE to answer them! One thing I will say is that it is SOO much darker than the film makes it out to be! There is so much murder and blood in the first book alone, and as the characters grow each book just gets darker and darker. This is partially because it is based off of the Grimms fairytales, so in the books there is REAL risk, and an equal chance for evil and villains to win. But just as much as there is darkness and horror and sadness in the Grimms, and in this tale, there is a deep beating heart to it that is realistic, that is shown marvelously through this series characters and their development. And that’s the only other thing this movie missed completely, is just how very well developed and complex these characters are, to the point it is like you are reading about people instead of characters, and it ESPECIALLY missed just how well they develop and grow emotionally throughout this story, and how natural it is. MAN, this movie just missed the BIGGEST opportunity it had to get one of the best stories that could have come out in a LONG time. Anyway if anyone is curious or has any questions about the story or its character or really anything about these books, just let me know 🙂
@@moimoiyoop I read the first book a month or two ago and the only part that I’d call goofy is when Agatha farted and cleared everyone out the arrival area. Everything else was pretty dark and interesting, and I did feel the tragedy of the former students all trapped as animals and whatnot.
I loved the books so much but I haven't read them in a long time should I buy them and revisit them? The movie feels like what every historian thinks a gay relationship was back in the 1800's. Just a couple of gall pals having fun going on quirky adventures and kissing like all besties do!
Watching as a book fan, there were some changes I loved - Gregor being the main one - but lots that, as you say, felt very rushed; Agatha's 'beauty' being having more 'controlled' hair was... a choice, and whilst I get they were focusing on the grey aspect of nobody being good or evil inherently, Sophie WAS cruel at the start. She was friends with Agatha BECAUSE she was trying to qualify for the School for Good, not because she actually liked her, and Rafal was introduced way, way too early (although I understand the urge to use Kit Young).
Honestly, like this ranks as one of the worst adaptations ever 😂 honestly up there with the Avatar The Last Airbender movie adaptation, it’s THAT bad 😭
They left out EVERYTHING, that made the book interesting & amazing. Lady Lesso was born evil, & is from that world. The only people she loved was her son & dovey. Otherwise she was an aroace icon. She didn’t think of Rafael at all. That storyline felt like a violation to her character. Not to mention they kept out the circus of talents, which is personally my favourite part of the book. It’s so beautiful, and it explains/shows that not everything is as what it appears. (SPOILERS FOR THE BOOK) Agatha for her talent shows that students who fail the school, get turned into a slaves for the other school & tries to convince the WHOLE school, that they’re not that different after all. Not to mention at the end of the book, Sofia & Agatha kiss & immediately get transported back to galvadon, not get permission from fucking tedros. It’s a key event to the next book.
(book spoilers i guess? idk, never read them) I saw someone saying that sofia and agatha are actually sisters, is that true? because it would make the kiss scenes kinda weird 😭
They don't beat Rafal with friendship though. Agatha slices him with the magical sword Excalibur. And Sophie just helped it go across the room to her hand. Sophies part wasn't really needed since Agatha could've just walked over and grabbed it but cinematically both needed to play a part.
@@calebleach7988 Rafal and his immortality makes him young. In fact in the books he actually has the maturity of a teenager which is commented on by The Faculty quite a bit.
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I love how you compare Sophie to the girls on tiktok who "want to get kidnapped" when the first line of the book is LITERALLY: "Sophie had waited all her life to be kidnapped."
Lol
I remember having it at an early thanksgiving party and my cousin started reading it...
@@snowcloud302 Oof.
Oh yes
LOOOOOL 😂😂😂
The first red flag for me was Agatha being stereotypically gorgeous. In the book it adds another level of complexity because even though Agatha gets a makeover sequence it’s very different. She has a phobia of mirrors and genuinely disgusts herself. If this was included in the movie I feel like it could’ve been a good subversion of a trope.
you said it!!
Yes!!! I feel like they messed up her characters personally the whole time in the book she's frowning, grumpy, angry. She avoids the mirrors because she hates what she'll see. The fairies end up pretending to give her a makeover and thinking she's been turned beautiful she gains confidence and walks around the school smiling everyone says she's beautiful after that. All they did in the show was make the a tomboy and not even that. SMH
right i haven't read the books but this explains a lot because it really felt cliche that she couldn't smile when asked to, i was rolling my eyes so much like come on it's just a smile, but when you explain the reason she couldn't it makes sense
This is so true she literally fitted in with the other princesses so well when they were next to each other
Exactly, they made her character so one note!
One of my favorite parts from the book was that the good school was served by fairies and the evil school by werewolves and we come to find out that they are the students who failed. If you don't do good enough you are enslaved by the school for eternity.
Same i was so sad that it wasnt in the movie
I mean, they bring it up since they show that the wish granting fish and the bone birds were both students who failed, and in the case of the fish kid, she'd been there for hundreds of years
Not only that; evil students became the fairies at the school for good and good students became werewolves for evil because that would mean they were always with the opposite side; the ones they loathed the most.
that's wild
I've never read the book, but I thought they were going to mention that after she found out about the fish girl. She even said at the beginning "I thought fairies were supposed to be nice" so I thought it foreshadowing that it was actually a student from the school of evil.
I swear RUclips has the oddest sense of humor. He’s describing her change and says “and the next scene is this” and immediately I get an ad for a dog in a sweater
Name something more ironic lol
RUclipsrs can choose where to put midrolls in so it’s really alex’s sense of humour
And for me, it was a Prime ad
Honestly, it would have been so much better as a TV series. The books are really fun, but the movie left out huge chunks that I wish had made it in, and the story felt rushed without them
*Dont_Read_My_Names* 😐
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Same! When I clicked on it first I was really hyped because I thought it was a series... but well I mean the movie was still kinda cool, but yeh it missed a lot of stuff.
i totally agree man. I havent read the books but it felt rushed and i wouldve enjoyed it so much more if it lasted longer. like how gregor and other failed students get reincarnated as creatures on the campus. also how lady lesso liked the idea of rafal for like 10 minutes until dovey yelled at her for 5 seconds and then she was ok.
also the time periods of this show is gavaldon was so messed up
Ye and the circus of talents
They never showed on the movie what made her truly evil, in the books she has been aiming for the school of good her whole life and there was that sense of betrayal when Agatha found out that she was Sophie’s ‘good deed’
if she wasnt written as "evil" but just bratty kid, the writing you said would be really cooler.
i totally agree they didn't represent sophie's personality right at all i was honestly confused because of how rushed it all felt
she... she also kills a ton of people
@@wiiink but she does that later. Why was she in the school of evil in the first place
This is my biggest problem with the movie, honestly. I can stand them erasing characters, making never looks mild, making tedros flat, ect. But sophie and agatha's relationship is the heart of the story. If they change it that much, they failed.
My hugest gripe is that we didn't get the whole "Sophie is definitely evil" we got in the books. She was insane, she was the DEFINITION of gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss, (manipulate, manwh*re and manslaughter in book two). She was EVIL, yes she did try to fight against it, but she was at her core an evil person. This Sophie? the other one would have her dead to rights in five seconds flat, especially with her outfit change to embrace being evil after her hair
EDIT: SHE ALSO DID CANNONICALLY MURDER SOMEONE WHO WAS HEAVILY IMPLIED TO BE AN 'EVER' IN THE FIRST BOOK THIS SOPHIE IS W E A K
Thanks for saying this. She literally only used her friendship with Agatha to her own advantage. She didn’t give a shit about her.
Yes exactly!!
YES I’m upset that they left out the whole “being friends with Aggie is a good deed” thing and that she did “good” things with selfish intentions. I really think it would’ve been better as a show because the movie left out soooooo much character details.
@@Kawaiitrashcan Definitely, they really just made her straight up good and ignored her agency in the actual book.
THANK YOU!!! And looool your note for the second book fits so well looool 😂 I hate that they made her an “evil” person who always tries to do good because NO SHE DOESNT?? She always makes the bad choice, accidentally and intentionally, and holds no regret for it. And when she DOES try to do good as she tried to in the second book you could actively see her get more distant, frazzled, and agitated, because she wasn’t being herself and forcing herself to be someone else. It hurt her so much, so to see her finally give in to who she truly is deep down, an evil person, was SO soothing in a way just to not see her torture herself, and to see how Lesso showed her a path forward with her evilness and showing what TRUE evil means and what can be done with it, was honestly beautiful and such a brilliant conclusion for her. Then to see her grow even beyond that already brilliant conclusion and then use what she learned in books 4, 5, and 6 was BEAUTIFUL, especially to see how much her and Agatha’s friendship had grown for her at that point as well as her value of herself and respect of those around her. She became such a wise person it was amazing to watch. So to see all that potential DESECRATED in this film and ruin any chance for that story to be shown on the big screen was utterly INFURIATING. Loool 😂
Man, Netflix really needs to try when making movies. The set designing crew get millions of dollars for their budget and the writing crew gets a nickel, a paper clip, and a ball of lint.
LOL true
One of the first red flags Sofie had was her relationship with Agatha. In the movies, they seemed like genuine best friends, but in the books, it is clear that Sofie only befriended Agatha, just so she could get chosen for the school of good
EXACTLY. THEY LEFT OUT SO MUCH. Like sofie killing the wolf that chopped her hair off. Half of the staff didn’t fucking exist.
August Sader just vanished, he was one of my favorite characters!@@mulitfandom_bitsh1012
They literally make out in the movie😂😂 I don’t care abt the book but in movie, it’s true love
@@SummerinDecember01it isn't shown in the movie, but they are sisters...
@@SummerinDecember01ew no they’re sisters
One of the things I hated the most about this film, was that in the books Sophie and Agatha DIDN'T like each other. They were never 'best friends'. The whole point was that Sophie was using Agatha to make herself look better by being nice to her, which Agatha knew all along. They never liked each other, the beauty of their friendship was that it DEVELOPED throughout the books which the film completely cut and made it focus on their 'unconditional friendship' which was in the beginning very conditional. Anyways rant over
EXACTLY
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Yeah u read the books I was so surprised they made them friends
OMG FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SPELL THE FACTS THANK YOU !
I looked forward to this movie for a while but then when it came out I spent half the time yelling at the tv because it was nothing like the book
Tbh, the book makes more sense than the movie, and it still doesn’t make that much sense. It was still fun to read as a child.
I read the book series and I'm just curious if they are going to be accurate to the original. Because the book series was really good.
It’s one of those books that I feel like you could enjoy with your brain half working, lmao
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@@avidreader4140 it’s not really accurate, but it was cute haha
Just wanted to say the same
I think it would have actually benefited from being a series. It would have allowed to flesh out the characters, the rivalry between the schools, how the universe works...
I agree
Im really upset that they cut the scene where Sophie killed the wolf for cutting her hair. It really shows Sophie’s evilness and how much she cares about appearances
I personally prefer the bit where because there's no mirrors in the school for evil that aren't cracked she opens a window during a storm to flood the room just so she can use the reflection to do her hair
Thank u so much for helping me understand why she was in the bad school. I never understood until now
Yeah, same. I feel like the books were better.
@@AnishP-100 frrr but then again it’s like my fav book series- I was crying over it in the middle of class lol
@@lavndvrrart I'm still on the second book, but it's already my favourite book series.
What really gets me confused is that everyone says Sophie's egotistical behaviour and narcissism is the reason why she was put in the evil school but no one considers how the princesses behave and how they are similar to Sophie in what they like and dislike.
Edit: Thanks for all the the likes and especially the comments trying to explain further as I haven't read the book, it shows how rushed the film was and how it should be a series.
that was my problem with the movie. cause i read the books as a kid and i’m probably going to reread them again and she had a lot of other things wrong with her. in the movie, she behaved exactly, actually BETTER than most of the princesses and she just got put into evil school and was manipulated while in the books it was more her choice :/
@@socktheratking That's so true aswell
I took it as since she was a reader, her ego got her into the evil school, while many of the princesses are descended from alum of the good school which likely influenced where they ended up
Wasn’t that the point of the scene when they talk about how shallow the school for good had become, or even when they attacked when “good defends”, or how Rafal had gotten good to win making them more shallow and useless over the years. I never read the books and sure that it was done 100 times better in the books.
@@Nellie_95 The point of the book was that Sophie ended up in Evil because of her own choices. I don't even remember "Good fairytale characters do bad things already" being a moral in the book 💀.
They left out so many of the things that helped make it an amazing book series.
1. At first, Agatha was only Sophie's "good deed" and, in the beginning, their friendship was all because that and was fake.
2. Agatha always believed herself to be ugly and worthless and it got to the point where Dovey had to trick her into learning that she was beautiful.
3. Dovey never once doubted that Agatha was good or truly beautiful.
4. At orientation, the ones speaking weren't the professors, they were Castor and Pollux two conjoint twin dogs who were honestly the most entertaining characters which the movie entirely left out.
4. Professor Sader. He was one of the main characters and you can't really have the next books without him.
5. The survival classes. These were suck a major point in Tedros and Agatha's relationship that it feels rushed without them.
6. Everything that proved Sophie was evil. The nemesis dreams. Her killing the beast. Her almost letting Agatha get killed. Her killing that goose.
7. Tedros going back and forth between Sophie and Agatha. He hated Agatha and then he hated Sophie and called her a witch. Then he thought Agatha was evil again then he didn't like either of them.
8. The explanation of what the school was and how the generations worked. Also just the fact that Dovey was the Fairy Godmother.
9. They did the forest challenge thingy wrong. It was supposed to be everyone competing.
10. THE CIRCUS OF TALENTS. This was the first time we really find out what happens to expelled students and how they become servants for the other side. This is also when Tedros professes his love to Agatha.
11. All of the little things like all the missing classes, Sophie's beauty classes, Agatha the cockroach, Sophie and Tedros as foxes etc.
12. The fact that all of Gaveldon knew about SGE and did everything in their power to stop children from being kidnapped. This also means that all children were readers.
13. The fact that they weren't supposed to go into detail about Rafael's manipulation until book 3.
14. Also, this made me mad, Lesso and Dovey we're BEST FRIENDS in the book. Sure, they had their differences but they loved each other like Agatha and Sophie.
15. Finally, what the heck happened to Anadil's rats?!?!?!? They just got rid of her special talent!!!!
None of these things are in the movie at all and it makes the movie feel rushed and it has plot holes. They should have made it a series or figured out a way to make it work. Very disappointed.
Edit: HOLY JESUS IVE NEVER GOTTEN THIS MANY LIKES!! THANK YOU!!!
I absolutely hated how Dovey kept doubting Agatha. She was supposed to be her fairy godmother, the only one who believed in her Good soul, other than Sader of course, who wasn't even shown in the movie
I’m sad it feels like they skimmed the book and just wrote the script off the top of their head. Even then I feel like spark notes would have less plot holes than this :((
Agreed, also i hate how lady lesso is made to be more like evelyn, why does she suddenly like rafal?
Oh, my God! ALL OF THAT sounds indispensable to a functional story (and MUCH better than what we got)!! I guess I'll just have to read the books, now. (No chance this botched half-assed attempt by Netflix gets a sequel. No matter how gorgeous it looks, as Alex pointed out. And even if it did get a sequel, they already ruined its potential by changing/omitting the things you enumerated...).
I agree with everything here. also in the movie Sophie is wayyy too likable and Anadil is meant to be albino because her mother is the white witch. She barely got any part of the movie at all and I was really upset because she was one of my favorite characters. they also left out the part when Dot was kicked out of the coven and evil Sophie was way more cringy in the movies.
Alex-"they are like sisters."
The scene- *they kiss*
Me-"SISTERS DONT KISS!!!!"
They are sisters.
And the thing is…THEY *ARE* SISTERS-
they literally ARE sisters tho- and also sisters do kiss each other irl, just not the way the movies made it seem like
or at least really really shouldn't
SPOILERS
THEY ARE SISTERS
It sounds like they left out a lot of the book material that would explain why Sophie is sent to the School for Evil. In the original novel, she's really rather selfish behind her sugary sweet facade. She doesn't have an evil stepmother. Her widowed father is dating again and she bitterly resents his taking any attention off her to be with another woman. This other woman is actually a decent person, warm and loving, but Sophie doesn't care about that. She doesn't want anything to get in the way of her life with Daddy, thank you very much.
She sleeps for nine hours and has an exhaustive beauty regime that takes several hours a day. You see, two children get kidnapped every year, taken away to this mysterious school, where they will be chosen to fulfill their parts in fairy tales. Will they be good or evil? They won't know until after they're "chosen". Parents fear the loss of their children but Sophie is actually looking forward to being taken. She thinks she's princess material. How can she not be? She's pretty, sweet and adorable.
However, she cherishes the malicious delight in showing her father just how great she'll be once she becomes a princess. She'll have fabulous dresses, lovely shoes and a prince for a husband. That'll teach him. Her father isn't mean to her at all. But Sophie thinks he actually wanted a son. That's nowhere indicated in the book; it's just another of her delusions, I suppose.
She gives her father disgusting vegan food to eat and turns her up nose at his wistful desire for muffins. She doesn't do this just to keep him healthy. She thinks this shows what a stellar personality she has, looking out for daddy's health and not giving him food that might make him fat. What a good person she is! She offers muffins to Agatha who initially refuses because she knows how dreadful Sophie's baking is. Sophie lies to her and tells her that she's offering delicious treats. Imagine Agatha's misery when she realizes Sophie has deceived her and it's just more health muffin garbage (probably bran). It's these selfish motivations behind her seemingly good actions that condemn Sophie.
Agatha, on the other hand, is actually a decent human being. She proves to have the smarts, loyalty, decency, compassion and kindness you glimpse in her from her first appearance. Sophie demonstrates time and again that she is deceitful, lying, treacherous, conceited, vengeful, manipulative and a poor friend. Agatha embodies Good while Sophie finds, to her horror, that it is she who seems to be Evil.
If all this nuance is left out of the movie, no wonder it makes no sense.
PERFECT description of everything Sophie and “She doesn’t want anything to get in the way of her life with Daddy” 😭😭😖😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏 LOOOOL 🤣🤣
You perfectly described the Sophia I know and love, and sometimes hate. Everything about her is so complex and interesting. And I hate how genuinely sweet she was to Agatha in the movie, cause it's taking away part of what makes her so fun as a character.
THANK YOU. THIS IS SO ACCURATE
they left out so much plot and character development its not even funny smh
Damn that sound like a really good plot. Just look how much they butchered it 🫠
Its not even that she "doesn’t want anything to get in the way of her life with Daddy” she literally hates Stefan and is uncomfortable with him- she hates that he would move on from her mother Vanessa- who to Sophie was beautiful and perfect and shouldve been a princess too. Like shes angry at how he could just replace her mother years after her death by broken heart , when he got tricked into marrying her over his actual love/ sweetheart Honroa.
This makes me sad, they left out so much important character building for both Agatha and Sophie. Hell Agatha looks like your average pretty girl when her insecurity about her appearance was a major part of her character and Sophie doesn't even kill Beast for cutting her hair because he's not in the movie at all, it's literally one of the points in the book where you realize just how dark this story could get and they cut it and it doesn't make sense. They really should've just made it a tv show and made a couple of different decisions as well as change Agatha's appearance (it doesn't even have to be a cast change, just make her look sickly with makeup or something) and Sophie's selfishness needs to be amped up way more.
Plus, is it just me? Weren't they like 12 or 13 in the book, isn't that why their immaturity and shallow morality in the beginning made sense???? I understand why they'd pick older actors though.
Actually their ages were never revealed. And God I'm upset that they put how Sophie and Agatha END UP by the END of their story into who they are at the very beginning. It ruins all the character development they could have gotten because they have nowhere to go as characters and what they learn, since Agatha already is quite happy and Sophie is a good friend.
@@Jaguar470 I know right, in the beginning they were pretty much friends out of necessity but eventually become true friends faults and all, this movie just kind of throws that out the window (especially making Sophie too nice to Agatha at the start). Honestly the relationship of the main characters in Do Revenge feels closer to the relationship Agatha and Sophie had in the books than in this movie.
@@bridgettelair370 Yes exactly!!! And YES YES!!! Sophie was WAY too understanding and supportive of Agatha, like she was literally the complete opposite towards her in the books, especially when they got into the school 😂😂
Actually it is said that in the first book they are twelve.
@@aelin2800 It doesn’t. It doesn’t specify their ages anywhere? It says that children are taken after they turn twelve. Sophie wasn’t of age when they last took people, meaning she could have been 11 or younger, that means four years later, since she could then be taken, she was 15 or younger. Meaning in the first book since she could be taken meaning she was 11 or younger, and she couldn’t have been any older than 15 when they next took people, she was anywhere between 12-15.
Watching the movie I feel like the writers were unsure about how far they wanted to push Sophie’s narcissistic tendencies. They needed to show she was selfish enough to wind up in he school for evil but it felt weird because they also kept trying to dial it back down. I guessed early on it was because she was meant to become good again in the end and shocker- I was right. Books were so much better than this mess
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The literal reason why i love sophie was because of her complex personality and that she became a complete narcissist to a understandble character development, i also wished that they revealed they're twin sisters☹
@@ilovekaedeharakazuha447 i agree, but with how much the movie already crammed in i dont think they would do it justice (im referring to the twin sisters part). they should have just focused the events from one book, so they can build up the characters a bit more
@@clxwdy true also make it a series rather than a movie
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omg so true!! i watched this mess the day it came out, and it took me probably 3-5 hours to watch it, cuz i kept pausing it to argue with the movie, and had the fandom webpage open, and my copy of the book open, all working to criticize it
The fact Alex brought up the "children of classic fairytale characters" trope and didnt mention ever after high is CRIMINAL.
I really wish this became a series, because it would've shown the journey of the characters a lot better, E.g Sophie's fall down the path of evil was through major denial, selfishness and obv her misconception of what good actually is, before even knowing Rafal. Agatha's growth with finally accepting herself is both sad and beautiful because she believed everyone's perspective of her and when landing in the school she immediately feels like she doesn't belong and through almost the whole book she tries to find ways for BOTH of them to return home.
There were so many dark moments like the way they punished the kids if they didn't follow the rules and how they refused to properly acknowledge that a child died in the trial by tales (which was actually a traditional event based on a student's skill to survive the woods). Also removing Professor Sader was a crime...
AGREED. Also I was so sad when I didn’t see Sader!!
Yes! I was really sad when I didn't see Sader. But then I became more confused, because the whole part of books 5 and 6 where King Arthur used Sader to show him how to get Tedros to reclaim the crown, so I have no idea how that story line will work. It could have been so much better as a TV show.
Rip Professor Sader. he was one of my favorite characters.
i 100 percent agree omg
I wouldn't have put him in he's a blind guy
The book that this movie was based off of was so much better for so many reasons:
1.) In the book, the whole town of Gavaldon fears the School Master and the School for Good and Evil, so they do everything in their power to make sure he doesn’t kidnap any children. This makes Sophie being seems as weird to the other villagers more justified because…you know, she wants to get kidnapped by a force that they see as wicked and dangerous. (Also, EVERYONE in the town is obsessed with reading books, meaning that in the book itself, Sophie and Agatha aren’t special for liking to read. Agatha even pretends in the books that she doesn’t read fairytales because she thinks they’re childish)
2.) Sophie only becomes friends with Agatha a few weeks before they’re kidnapped in the books. She initially only becomes friends with her to “prove” to the School Master that she’s Good, the same way a kid suddenly becomes a little angel near Christmas to impress Santa Clause. She actually becomes attached to Agatha and their friendship becomes real, but that is a pretty unique way to characterize Sophie as someone who will do anything to get what she wants
3.) Sophie’s stepmother isn’t married to her father yet in the first book, which is the book this movie was based on. Sophie hates her stepmother (Honora) and believes her to be awful and ugly, but the later books show us that she really isn’t. The movie just plays into the evil stepmother stereotype.
4.) While the two are in the orientation, the people on stage aren’t the deans; they’re two characters that were completely erased from the movie, Castor and Pollux, a pair of conjoined twin dogs, one good and one evil. Those two were so entertaining that I actually despise how they just shamelessly cut them out.
5.) Tedros doesn’t actually get to “like” Agatha when they first meet. In fact, he calls her a witch and tells Sophie that she should stop hanging out with Agatha.
6.) Another super important character, a blind, future-seeing teacher named Professor August Sader is also cut out. Even if he’s important in all of the first three books, he’s apparently not important enough to be in the movie. Professor Sader actually is a huge foreshadowing machine for the books and his paintings and writings pave the way for the next books in the series.
7.) Tedros really flip flops on who he likes and who he hates. In the beginning he just likes Sophie and hates Agatha, then he hates both of them, then he just likes Agatha, then he hates the both of them again. His opinions change and he isn’t just a blank slate.
6.) Agatha is described as being ugly throughout the whole book. She hates herself and she hates looking at herself. She wholeheartedly believes that she is ugly, and while at the School for Good, she begins to break down. Doves tries to make things better by casting an illusion on her, make her thinks she’s become blonde and pretty, but Agatha finds out that it’s all just an illusion and she cries by herself, thinking that she will never be beautiful now that even Sophie is beginning to abandon her. She tries to smile, and when she finally does, she sees herself, she sees how beautiful she is, smiling. She realizes *I’ve been beautiful all along* and that she doesn’t need a huge makeover, and she continues crying, content and happy. That emotional scene that almost made me cry is NOT in the movie, however!
7.) Another emotional scene that was cut out? The Circus of Talents. Tedros on his knees, telling Agatha that he loves her in front of everyone. Sophie has already abandoned Agatha at this point. Agatha knows how much Sophie wants Tedros, and she begins to panic, and fall back into her “no one will ever love me” emotional state. But looking into Tedros’ eyes, seeing that he really does love her, she comes back. She says yes to him, in front of Sophie.
8.) There were no stairs to the School Master’s tower. Sophie and Agatha had to tame one of those demon birds in order to get up there. Also, Sophie almost got eaten by it. It was more foreshadowing to the fact that Sophie is pure Evil.
9.) At the end where Good becomes Evil and Evil becomes Good, the Evers’ transformations are way more brutal than they are in the book. Their skin turns green, their eyes merge to form just one eye, spikes grow on their spines, they grow humps, all that stuff. The Never transformation is also as extreme, but in the opposite way.
10.) The mortification classes? The mortification scenes? Cockroach Agatha? Nope, gone.
11.) Hort is specifically stated in the book to be a man-wolf, not a werewolf. That part of the book even dunks on werewolves and says they don’t have any control.
12.) Hort’s father isn’t Captain Hook. His father was one of the pirates who served Captain Hook. In the later books, it gives him an interesting perspective. It’s even said in the spin off that his mother was Wendy.
13.) Once again, another erased character, Professor Sheeks. Entertaining, funny and memorable. Not in the movie, though.
There are so many more reasons I could rattle on about, but it’s pointless. The movie was a disappointment, and everyone who walked away with it with a bad first impression of the School for Good and Evil series should just read the books instead. They’re so much more memorable, emotional, funny and charming. I just hope they somehow fix all this if the movie gets a sequel.
I read the 3 books. Damn, I'm amazed you remember all that.
@@itsmek3 theres 6 books lol
Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed comparison
@@bellaomin496 i stopped reading at the 4th... Back then it was 4 books that time when I was reading
I dont even know how they would do a sequel considering they mashed together books 1 and 3, the whole point of book 3 is revealing the school master and his manipulation tactics towards Sophie that catered towards her self entitlement and greed. Book two isn't even possible since most of the plot revolves around Evelyn Sadder too- and if her brother wasnt deemed important enough even though HE WAS LIKE THE LITERAL CATALYST OF EVERYTHING CAUSE OF HIS HISTORY BOOKS, PAINTINGS AND LESSONS TO AGATHA- I dont know how they'd even insert her. Especially since her whole goal is to be the school masters true love (becuase everyone else still thinks hes the good brother- but she can tell he's the evil one) if sophie already got a half assed version of that storyline in book one idk what motive Evelyn would even have to be villanous. Plus Aric is a whole other thing, Lesso wouldn't love him since he forbid her for seeing Aric, making him the evil asshole. THen we also get the erasure of Yuba, who is the only way Sophie can transform to get into the school for boys. The moment they removed half of the relevant staff in the book- when this was a rare book about school- where the characters actually went to class with actual focuses within the classes that added actual details to the story- this book was gonna be screwed becuase the adults in this book actually had inherent thought out purposes.
My sister is a huge fan and memorized everything, and I do mean everything, and all I could hear while we were watching it was "That's not right" "That's not what happens" "That's wrong, they missed such an important part of the story" and so on, making sure to describe everything they got wrong or forgot in detail.
I wish I was there, I would have appreciated it as a fellow memorizer of this series 😂😂 this sounds hilarious 😂😂😂
That was me as well, only difference is it’s been a long time since I’ve read the books again, so I was really relying on my memory and some refreshers provided by old fans
Does your sister like women? Cuz I kinda want to marry her/j
Sounds like me when I watched that monster high live action lol
feel her. my best friend had a hard time while watching the movie with me :D
10:51 After saying that, she literally SMILES AND BATS HER EYES AT HIM
Maybe cause she actually get feelings I HAVENT WATCHED THE MOVIE IN A WHILE
I read the book series when I was younger and I'm kind of frustrated that they didn't include:
1. everyone of Gavaldon (the readers) in the book know about the fairytales and the SFGE. It was a thing that they would lock up their kids so they weren't kidnapped by the School Master. Literally there was a hilarious scene of Sophie prying off boards and fixing her hair while she waited.
2. the Trial by Tale was NEVER about who's romancing who-it was for all the students to see who would make a good leader, henchperson, animal sidekick...etc
3. Cockroach Agatha.
Edit: so many good points in the comments! They took out all the cool teachers and 90% of the weirdness, Sophie being a horrible, no good, very bad friend, the coven time, Tagatha straight up hating each other and Agatha wearing the pants. I wanted to see Sophie kill a swan by singing to it like Snow White- where's *that* Disney movie?
Cockroach Agatha!! 😂😂👏👏👏
@@Jaguar470 she was the m.v.p
And f is for fabulous
I really wanted that scene where Sophie loses her shit and kills a man because he cut her hair.
Don't forget the mirror scene!!
The whole “Agatha is supposed to be ugly” thing doesn’t work when they cast a pretty actress. It just kind of makes the rest of the school look racist
plus I don't think she just looks average. She's absolutely beautiful even with her hair frizzy and without make up and masculine clothes. Like what is supposed to be ugly about that? Or witchy- like I don't dislike th cast change becase the actress is black but because it doesn't make sense.
But isn’t the whole point that everyone thinks she’s evil because of her personality and her tendency to wear black and reclusiveness, and she herself finds herself ugly because of low self esteem? The whole point is that she’s been beautiful all along, and so you can’t cast someone who isn’t ‘beautiful’ if the whole point of her arc is that beauty is objective and societal, and what truly matters is who you are and how you act.
@@claireattemptsatmusic7481 In the movie its made very clear that everyone thinks shes ugly especially when dovey straight up tells her to her face its a mistake shes in good. Also I think u just contradicted urself with the whole "they had to cast someone beautiful otherwise her character arc is pointless because beauty is objective and it matters who you are" so, explain to me why she had to be cast as someone extremely pretty if the point is you dont have to be? seriously the actress being so pretty honestly kinda jsut downplays the arc agatha had to go through
@@SydlineMiddy i mean yea i guess, but it's kind of like when teen movies try to convince you the hot main lead is ugly just cause they're "a nerd" and wear glasses or have bangs or something yk
I didn’t want to complain about Agatha not being white, but she’s supposed to be like deathly pale and not pretty, so it just seems off.
Maaan this whole thing was such a huge disappointment. But what I’m most upset about is Sophie. In the film they made it seem like she was actually good but was just influenced by this evil dude, which wasn’t the case in the books. I remember reading the first book and being SO frustrated with Sophie because of how utterly delusional and evil she was. In the books Sophie was literally the embodiment of evil, but what really stood out was her selfishness and cowardice. She didn’t care for Agatha and was just using her, while Agatha was such a sweetheart to Sophie no matter what stunt she pulled, and she’d always try to protect Sophie with her own life because Agatha genuinely believed that she was her only friend, and without her she (Agatha) would be completely alone because “who would want to be friends with someone like her?”. And Sophie USED that insecurity against Agatha and would gaslight&manipulate her all the time.
So basically what made Sophie truly evil was how she made you feel throughout the books and how she herself genuinely believed she was good. So she wasn’t just pretending to be good while knowing she was evil, no, she actually believed herself to be this sweet sugary angel while on the inside she was a rotten hag and never failed to prove it again and again. Who was evil in her eyes? Everyone who opposed her basically. She was just delusional. Oh man I hated her so much in the beginning hahahah. So yeah, my advice would be to read the books if you haven’t yet :)
And do not forget that she killed a beast for just cutting her hair 😐
@@nansiipii9018 YESSS, I was actually cheering for her at that point because I felt sorry for her hair 😂 Still, when Dot told her “I hope one day someone will come along who is evil enough to kill him” (or something along the lines), and at that point Sophie had already killed him, it honestly made you see just how evil she was. Because even those who actually wanted to be in the school for evil couldn’t possible imagine themselves killing someone, yet Sophie did it with no remorse and no hesitation.
@@larensiaflorensita3189 yeah and they said a lot about her hair bafore that happened so you would know how much her hair was important to her .. here in the movie lesso cuting her hair doesn't mean anything cause first : viewers didn't know how much she cares about her hair ( like she throw fown a lake in the middle of their room to just brush her fucking hair 😐 ) so what was the point in cutting her hair if we're not gonna hear the wolfs speach about it ?! , 2 : leso was smart and chill she would never do a studwnts punishmemt herselfe cause there is no reson for it , 3 : she didn't kill the beast so viewers didn't realise how evile she is , 4 : why would they cut her hair off in rhe forst place ?! Just beacuse she talked to tedros ?! Evrybody always talk to eachother and nothing happens but in the books they cut her hair because she throw a stick in leso's face and kinda was a part of the reason why students started a fight ..
And all of this mistakes is just for one secence
yes. and that's exactly what made her an interesting character. i hated that sophie was shown to be initially good in the movies
hi! where did you read the books? were they for free?
Who didnt see "the true love is actually the other girl" as soon as the "true loves kiss" plot was first introduced.
Honestly they should have stretched it out into a tv series like how they did with shadow and bone. The school for good and evil is such a fascinating concept and I loved the books growing up, they really would make an incredible show. I mean really, one book per season, 5-6 hour long episodes and they would have a really successful show. And tbh I’m personally disappointed that they kinda washed out all of Agatha’s gothness completely and just made her into “not like other girls” tomboy type. I feel like they removed all of her personality in this movie.
EXACTLY!! In the movie, the kids were just obvious bullies picking on a random girl but if she looked more like Hester then it would make total sense why everyone and herself believed that she would end up in the School for Evil.
ok but 5 or 6 hour long episodes?
the whole season will end in 1 episode
what do you mean by 5-6 hour episodes??? like one episode would be 5-6 hours??? or like all of them together would be5-6 hours? because making episode that long is nonsense not even movies are that long
@@Santachia no, I think they meant 5 or 6 one-hour long episodes
She specifically said " 1 season 5-6 hour long episodes" that means 5 or 6 episodes with the lenght of 1 hour each
4:55 this is actually really funny since the first line in the book is “Sophie had waited her whole life to be kidnapped”
yeah i read the first page of the book literally the same day that I saw this xd
Really? Sounds like how Apple White (Ever After High) WANTED to be poisoned.....
@@DrawciaGleam02 omg ever after high was the bessssst
@@angy6261 YESSSSS
They made Sophie so much less evil. She KILLED one of the wolf guards. I get that her thoughts obviously couldn't be shown but some things I wish they put in to show us that she isn't "misunderstood" or something.
She killed ALL of them, actually. From young to old. And all of the fairies(except for one who died right after) too for that matter.
Having not read the books and only seen the movie, I think one of the themes is that humans aren’t one color. We aren’t all good or all evil. Having Sophie kill someone in a movie would mean the screenwriters would have to make her redeemable again to go with this message, which can be hard in two hours. If they would do a second movie the could have built up to her killing and ended with that but Netflix is famous for canceling so I assume the writers didn’t want to build up to nothing and also muddle their main message of humans are complex.
@@simplesimply3753
She was never supposed to have redeeming qualities. That was what made her character interesting. You still liked her even tho she was a terrible (and frankly cringy) person overall.
In the challenge with Tedros she wasn't even afraid of the monster. She was complaining and mad at Tedros for losing to the monster. In the movie they made her look scared.
She's supposed to be "evil".
Maybe they did try to make this movie more about "love and friendship" but if they are planning to make more movies, messing with Sophie's character is gonna mess the whole plot up.
I definitely recommend the books...
Well. I just hope we still get a second movie because Filip x Tedros was one of my favorite arcs.
I read the books and I disagree, sophie always had a dream and they ripped it out of her hands not only that but they also made her question all her beliefs and herself. for me sophie is a victim and a lot of people don't really understand her, she just wanted to be loved, of course she has a lot of bad things but tedros and agatha too, the moral of these books is that we are all bad and good and they also show the impact that labels have on people. She IS misunderstood. If all your dreams were stolen while people constantly re-emphasize that you are bad person (something you never wanted to be) and that led to you losing hope, could you still be a good person?
@@simplesimply3753 The books kind of do that message better imo. Something the movie changed was how much screen time Rafal had, and especially how much influence he had on Sophie. Because Movie Sophie was nice and friendly and did nothing wrong and all of her actions can be explained away by the manipulation of Rafal, it takes all the blame off of her completely. Book Sophie was prissy and narcissistic and knew what she was doing, she straight up slaughtered all of the fairies and wolves, Rafal had no influence on her and tbh he didn't really do anything until the very end of the book. The main theme of the series is that people aren't just good or evil, black or white but with Movie Sophie being portrayed as fully good, there's no nuance
“UGLYNESS IS FREEDOMMMM” 10:33
Relatable. You don’t have to fight of a hoard of people complementing you because you never get complements.
AS A PERSON WHO WAS A BIG FAN OF THE BOOKS, I WAS SO ANGRY THAT SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SCENES WERE LEFT OUT OR REPLACED . It definitely should have been a TV series
Ueah the book was a fun ride
I WAS SO MAD
My older sister really hated it XD And she supposed I wanted to read the book :'D I don't read books much and I easily get bored. Thus leading me to dislike the movie, one because it was boring, two because Sophie was annoying and her leaving the school is a let down, and lastly I think that I would rather have a twist ending.
RIGHT??! I'm both mad and sad and disgusted.
@@wowwawee0730 yeah the twist in the movie was underwhelming, I understand if you don't want to read the books now 😭 I really liked Sofie's actress but her character seemed more "misunderstood" rather than evil( in the book she actually kills one of the guards). In the book there's a little twist where the fairies were actually former Nevers and the wolves were former Evers. I have to read it again to be sure, but I recommend reading it if you're curious
In the book it was more exciting and had a lot of dark details, it annoyed me that the people of the town did not know the existence of the school of the good and evil when in the book the parents surrounded the town so that their children would not be kidnapped by the shadow so that they would not they took him to that school, they wanted to make it like a disney chanel movie, taking away everything exciting
*Dont_Read_My_Names* 😐
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Yes! That was so frustrating. They made the townspeople look like clueless idiots when really, while still not being great people, they were trying to protect the children!
Exactly my thoughts, I feel that a lot of the darkness is missing in the movie, the books were made for teens, not for children and I think Netflix made a movie for kids, not teens and young adults. (sorry for my bad english)
That part was so frustrating to me. I remember reading that parents begged their good kids to swear or act up and the bad kids to be nice and polite.
In the movie it's just like their all dumb and clueless. They only care about I dunno? riding on the backs of trucks and yelling at people?
@charles Yeah, like I loved Kerry Washington, Charlize Theron, and Sofia Whylie. But the guy they had for Tedros! Definitely did not fit my mental image
This should've been a series. The books are packed with interesting themes (ex: Agatha helping Sophie with Tedrose bc she wants her friend to be happy (ie "good") vs Sophie really only "helping" Agatha bc she's her "good deed" (ie "evil") and Agatha showing the "good" side that they're truly all performative in their goodness. It's not just bird orchestras and pastel colours) that should have been given time and nuance but instead it was all smushed into one very rushed movie
There’s apparently going to be a sequel so there’s that
@@lolganrox_12katsu30nichi oh dear god please no
@@lolganrox_12katsu30nichi no way, please stop
If it was a show we wouldn't have gotten such an all-star cast🙄. Everyone crying about a show when a movie gets better funding and more attention from ppl outside the fandom
@@lolganrox_12katsu30nichi OH GOD NO PLEASE NO GOD WHAT DID THE SGE BOOK FANDOM DO TO DESERVE THIS
I love how they showed a princess who had a disability
Screenplay: She says to the handsome boy "Do they usually batt their eyes and smile at you?"
He responds "Yes! ....Yes, they usually do, and it's boring."
She then proceeds to batt her eyes and smile at the handsome boy.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who caught that 😂
I hate sand. Is coarse and it gets everywhere :)
@@migiola anakin?
Like, I thot no one would see that😂😂
That scene in the movie was so weird and unlike Agatha. She would never smile and bat her eyes at him, especially not before her transformation
Can we talk about how everyone was so obsessed with Sophie's frizzled dry hair (that I'm positive is a crap wig) but Agatha has a beautiful lioness mane going on and she's outcasted for it. Make it make sense?
Blonde. Got it now?
Huge messy hair has just never been considered beautiful tbh. Her wig may have been crap and all but it wasn't huge or frizzy or anything. Think Hermione, her hair was also insanely messy and frizzy and everyone at school made fun of her for it. People just like perfect blond hair more ig.
my hair is a dry frizzy mess and locks into itself within 5 minutes of drying, rip brushes, but because it's reddish blonde people like it
its always about color over texture idk why
because texurism. like this is not new
I LOVED agatha's hair in the beginning of the movie. It was wild untamed but wasn't gross and dirty looking. It was gorgeous!
And why did they leave out Sophie killing the guard in the torture room? That was a huge step for her
Cuz technically they can’t kill anyone before they graduated lol idk why they invented this rule but
@@Andreadexxo Well yeah it's against the rules, but in the book Sophie secretly straight up murders someone for cutting her hair, which was a huge part of her character development in turning evil
@@lenabellflowers yea no i get that.. just answering the why ! The movie was so rushed (but was still so long?) but i mostly feel like they didnt want her to be truly ‘evil’ in this book, just selfish and naive
I was wishing for that to happen too like I was like why was it lady lesso and not the beast
Having it be lady Lesso who did it makes it feel more like a personal attack that real torture. And not killing anyone after feels like such an underreaction to the destruction of something that is supposed to be one of the most important things in the world to Sophie. There is no impact to the scene, no push for her to embrace evil
"It was all a test.... to find my true love." bahaha nonsense truly!
I never understood why they even brothered making Sophie look like a witch slowly only for them to turn her beautiful in the never vs ever fight. It's like the build up of her consequences just got thrown out of the window.
I thought she purposely did that, seems like she planned a loophole to change herself back, which is why Agatha was telling Tedros to not fire the arrows at them cuz it was a trick.
@@mannymayoral8309 you are correct. It’s even more elaborate in the books, she purposefully helps Agatha sneak into the evil castle without Agatha knowing and makes her think that if they dance they’ll bring peace but when Tedros comes in Sophie tells Tedros that Agatha was here because she planned everything and was working with Sophie to destroy him. Tedros shoots an arrow AT AGATHA because of Sophie’s manipulations and Sophie turns the arrow into a daisy and then the good evil switch happens.
@@kirapainter9382 yeah idk I feel like tedros is lowkey terrible like he didn’t believe the girl who was supposed to be his true love or whatever
@@mkitty4541 He’s not necessarily terrible but he is definitely a dumbass. Agatha has a monopoly on the brain cells in the series
That was her plan from the beginning. She knew she wasn’t gonna be like that forever.
They killed ALL the misteries and plot twist. The legend, and the fear of the people of Gavaldon. The friendship of the two deans. The battle royal of the Trail by Tale. The secret of the Schoolmaster. The training of the goods and evils together. Mixed lady Lesso with Rafal's exmistress from the second book. And these are just what hurt me the most.
It didn't make any sense to have lesso be in love with Rafal, like it was useless to the movie why wouldn't they just keep it like it was
@@toast-ep8sb Right?! Also didn't he only started to filrt with Sophie in the third book? Like... they fucked up the whole timeline.
@@ildikokecskemeti1027 literally. Would have been so much better as a series, It had so much potential 😔
@@toast-ep8sb I think we can make the term "a film that should have been a seires" and put it next to the "meeting that should have been an e-mail" as a thing what's execution was just done in the wrong way.
YES!!! All of this is what hurt me the most to, the loss of the lore of the school and the terror it inflicts in Gavaldon. How it’s a terrifying legend. It send SUCH a chilling atmosphere throughout the books regarding the true nature of terror this school is about 😭 The TRAIL!! AUGH 😩😩 could have PERFECTLY show just how dark it can get in this school with everyone trying to murder Sophie 😭 and developing Dovesso as a legit long-lasting friendship (that they could have turned into a romance later but honestly they are SO good together no matter in what context loool and either one would work honestly) but instead they were awkward and angry around each other instead of long time friends 😖😭 which makes it feel like we are starting from ground 0 regarding their relationship now 😭
Best scene was when the goth kids fought the preppy kids in a ballroom while Sophie aged 80 years and Toxic plays in the background, and then the preppy kids turned emo through the power of finger magic.
That's what I call cinema
Yeah, I didn't get the point of that at all. Sophie is acting like it's that ah-ha moment of "I didn't need to switch schools, it's the schools that needed to switch" and I'm like....what does that actually change other than your clothes? The whole "Good protects, Evil attacks" thing didn't matter at all because that means Sophie and Co. are attacking whether they're striking unprovoked (as Evil) or countering the first blow (as Good). If the schools hadn't actually switched, Sophie and Co. would have attacked anyway. That rule of "Good protects, Evil attacks" was contrived to manufacture non-existent stakes to the battle but it had no bearing on the plot at all.
@@marielaberge8236 Yes 😭😭 in the film Sophie legit never attacks them first, she baits them into attacking her first so she can then claim she is defending herself as she and the rest of the evil students have a reason to hurt and maim the good students 😭 it is yet…another inconsistency from book to movie *sigh* 😔
@@marielaberge8236 Well its original atleast. I'M PERFECT you change! powerfantasy only been done 5000 times the last 5 years after all...
The only thing I really liked, like truly, was the scene of the goth kids turning preppy aka the Evil turning Good bcos THAT SOUNDTRACK COMBINED WITH THE VISUAL EFFECTS?? stunning. Can’t fault the cgi and shots this film has.
@@marielaberge8236 yep, it's not acknowledged in the movie but in the book while fighting they switch all the time throughout the fight and eventually loose their sides and fight anything that moves, not enough budget/time for that chaos I imagine
I love how they found real torture for Sophie in the torture room. For Sophie, the biggest torture is losing her beautiful hair. GOODBYE, RAPUNZEL! She hit her where it hurts the most and it's so...evil.
Lol, it's hilarious bc literally in the third book Sophie has the ability to stop all this death and destruction that is happening to both sides by just destroying a wedding ring she has and instead she's like "Ummmmm how about instead, Tedros has to give up his forever after with Agatha and give me a chance, and once he loves me again then I'll stop people from dying and the entire world from getting destroyed." Like Sophie is actually pure evil and I wish they had done better. Like when you take aspects of the book out of the movie then all of these ideas in the movie seem so stupid, but its like wait no these ideas are actually really thought provoking but you should read the books because they make sense in the books....idk at least the movie looked pretty.
this is why people that read the books know better. We actually understand and know how it should have gone
i forgot how evil she was omg it's so entertaining
Yes!!! The ideas in the movie seem stupid because NONE of them were explored properly with the characters being so off base from who they ACTUALLY are in the story or with the right character motivations. So because the movie messed those things up so badly, the ideas it’s trying to explore in the movie fall flat while with the ACTUAL story in the books, these ideas are explored so freaking well through the examples the characters set. It’s honestly so brilliant and truly makes you think! But the movie ruined all that 😑
@The fox it's because every movie is now made with an agenda behind it, netflix doesn't want to anger the batshit crazy feminist who are the personification of sophie.
@@mohamedhussein2780 The movie team GROSSLY misunderstood the ENTIRE series
Reasons why Sophie (thinks) the’s not evil:
1.She’s blonde
2.She’s blonde
3.She’s blonde
AND because she's pretty
she is? 😲@@mariyamkhizrmusa
@@Epic-Clipz294 according to the morally confused writers . yes . evil is good as long as it female
Also: 4.she wears pink
@@mariyamkhizrmusamovie didn't even address that. She lands and Hort says she has princess hair, lady lesso cuts her hair, the movie makes it 100% about her hair
The scene from the book where Aggie is crying about no one loving her no matter how good of a person she was made me break down in tears, and made me love the books even more.
They completely changed Agatha’s personality, that scene was so important to her character, but at least you can find a video with the scene (it was deleted)
And with Agatha and Tedros, it’s hardly even an enemies to lovers. And they don’t have the development where Tedros slowly realises Agatha is good and fall in love with her.
can’t believe they left out that every student’s finger glow is a different colour. And Tedros and Agatha have matching golden finger glows because they are soulmates :,(
Ikr!!
Agatha's finger glow was described as orange in the beginning, but as she and Tedros became closer, their colours changed to match each other's.
I can’t believe they left out that every student’s finger glow is a different colour. Sophie’s was hot pink and Tedros and Agatha had matching golden finger glows because they are soulmates :,(
LITERALLY!!!! and sophie’s was hot pink- it was so cool to see that color represent her so well.
Yh ikr?
They left out so much in the movie
I agree, I really wanted to see Lady Lesso's purple fingerglow and everyone elses.
That's really cute
hold on, but Agatha had an orange fingerglow that slowly turns to gold
Sophie’s narcissism, selfishness, and egotistical behavior were the reasons why she didn’t get into the good school. Agatha had a good heart and knew when to put others over her own ideals also she wanted to get back home to her mom. Also in the first book, at the end-Sophie and Agatha were supposed to kiss! I was waiting for that to happen!
Idk what happened in the book. But they did kiss while Sophie was super dead
SPOILER
AGATHA AND SOPHIE ARE TWINS
@@cryforhelp7270 No Agatha cried and one of the tears helped bring Sophie back to life
@@Lboogie0711 they kissed
@@ameacalliope8297 Yep, I read an article saying they're gay for each other but I can't wait till they find out.
Everytime you said "Let it Goooooo" i cracked so much XD
In the book, Sophie became Agatha’s friend because she thought it would give her a charitable enough image to consider her “good” enough for the School for Good, but they grew to be real friends anyway. Also, the book didn’t feel the need to TELL us how strong their bond was, it SHOWED us!
Exactly!!! And that telling and not showing is always throughout the film! I think is most shown with Tedros and his backstory honestly 😭 no flashback just Agatha saying a line when in the book it affected his every thought like 😭😭
Yeah in the movie the friendship felt like 🤨🤨 uh ok…
No fr tho.. also the fact that the girls didn’t know about SGE in the movie at the start instead of the how it was in the book, with a child chosen every four years
BUT THE WHOLE REASON SOPHIE BECAME FRIENDS W AGATHA WAS TO DO A GOOD DEED SO SHE COULD BE KIDNAPPED?? (And also possibly she wanted a villain for her story) the movie basically almost erased their friendship so now they’re just randomly friends and that’s why they have to spend so much time TRYING TO CONVINCE U that they’re close
SHE HAD LEGIT BEEN PREPARING FOR YEARSSS.. instead movie Sophie just starts out as a normal.. actually nice girl?? LIKE IT DIDNT EVEN SHOW SOPHIES THOUGHTS THAT HAD DARK UNDERTONES LIKE IN THE BOOK..
So when movie Sophie was revealed truly evil it made no sense + they skipped exactly HOW she spiralled into madness in the book (including KILLING THE BEAST FROM THE DOOM ROOM?!)
@@jammyk.7905 yeahhhhhh ikr..... and in the movie the book shop owner says "nothing you haven't read a thousand times" if so, then didn't she see the SGE stamp that's in like all the Fairytale books!!
And also in the movie they went with the stereotypical evil stepmother? I can't remember correctly but I'm pretty sure she didn't do anything to her...
And also they cut out Professor August Sader (one of the most important characters in the story) he basically paved the way for Agatha, and for the story... also in the 3rd book he played a major role..
I'm comfused, in the movie Rafal said "the Seers told me everything" or something... AND SADER WASN'T EVEN INCLUDED... they just added random details and rushed things! And they didn't include Castor, pollux and also there was another character too.... well alot of characters were missing!
Also I was waiting to see Sophie's beauty classes, and the circus of talents and what the heck was that trial by tale in the movie? The trial by tail was such an emotional and important EVENT!...
And also GREGOR??? Like wha-- in the book, the gargoyle scene was very emotional! Agatha was willing to save him whoever he was and welp... in the movie even if it was the stymph, they could have added more deapth to it... and also when the good school's tower got on fire... Sophie saw it from the evil school and was actually low key happy that it happened, cuz she was like who would burn the school on the first day or something... and she thought of it as a chance to switch schools too!
And also what happened to Agatha's actual graveyard goth look! I mean that was a major detail tooo! And They couldn't put Radly into the movie too! Ahhh there's just so many stuff i want to tell!
At least they got the WISH FISH scene a bit correctly! But i am just so saaad!! They really could have done better! I can't even imagine how the sequel will be! Like for real....
And pl don't even get me started with the coven!! T____T
*showed us
I loved that detail so much in the book, Sophie was way more morally grey and it just made her a better character
They took out SO many details and big chunks of the book that made the story interesting especially taking away all of the fun in the characters personalitys and making them seem like regular fairy tale tropes. For example in the books Sophie was 100% evil she manipulated, gaslighted and even tried to kill Agatha, whereas in the books she just had a few outfit changes and attacked Hester with some wasps. And Agatha was not like the princess she was in the movie she was insecure of how she looked making her way more relatable in the books and she also wasn't some gorgeous girl who was a barely an outcast. What proved her good in the books was more than being swapped into the good school, she always was there for Sophie, trying to help her win a prince, doing her evil homework so she didn't fail, even defending and forgiving her after she was horrible to her. To sum what I have to say up, they took all the diversity of the characters personality, all the amazing big parts of the story and almost everything that made the books great and traded that scenes of Sophie in different outfits. So, go read the books, the story is amazing in the books.
where could i read the book?
@@Raquel-of8gdThe book is pretty popular, so I don't think it would be too hard to buy the book or borrow it at a library, depending on where in the world you are. If you can't find it in bookshops or labraries, you could try to Buy it online, or maybe you could find an e-book of it?
I myself found the book in a bookshop.
Buy it in the store
How do I read the books
@@chimdinduobidike3821audible
Jk just buy it or borrow it from your local library
Agatha was done a huge disservice in the movie. In the book, she is the only one who has ever been able to enter both the School for Good and the School for Evil. She helps Sophie by mogrifying into a cockroach and feeding her the answers. She doesn’t do well in most of her own classes BUT when it comes to the test on what it actually means to be a good person she’s the only one who passes with flying colours. She gets hurt by Sophie when she feels Sophie is using her. Agatha is able to grant wishes on her own because she has a pure heart.
As for Tedros, he takes notice of Sophie on his own accord. It is in the trial by tale (in which all students participate) that he connects with Agatha. It is there that they realize they both see each other for their true selves.
And Sophie wants so badly to prove she is good. When she discovers her “evil” powers are akin to a dark twist of “good” princess abilities everyone thinks that’s cool and are in awe of her
I kinda wanna read the book
@@isabelleburdge4308 do it. It's so good and is a great twist on the magical school YA genre. This movie DID NOT do the characters justice.
@@isabelleburdge4308 definitely read it. I just finished it the other day after watching the movie, and the book is like a different story, but better!
Sounds like a cool story and completely different than the movie. 😅
@@isabelleburdge4308 prepare to be bored, her summary is more interesting that the entire book series, lmao
I watched the movie sometime back and I was literally screaming at the TV cause they didn't add the adding the "The CIrcus of Talents"
I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT ONE SCENE-
In the books, every four years two children from the town disappear and a box of new fairytales is delivered to the bookstore (both on the same night, exactly every four years like clockwork). The townsfolk eventually recognized some of the characters in the fairytales as the missing children. They realize that they live near the world these fairytales take place in and that the children that go missing are kidnapped by the person who delivers the new fairytales (known as the "School Master"). The town also figures out that the children aren't chosen at random, one exceptionally good-hearted child and one especially mean-spirited child is chosen each time.
When we begin the story, the people of Gavaldon already know all of this and it has been important part of shaping the culture of the town. Every child and every household owns a copy of every single fairytale. The fairytales are studied in school as a part of history and social studies, to try to help children avoid getting chosen and give them a better chance at surviving if they do. The townsfolk live in fear and desperation leading up to the date of the kidnapping, and come up with as many ways to try to stop the School Master as they possibly can.
The people of Gavaldon live with the knowledge that *a lot* of the children that get kidnapped end up dying terrible, brutal deaths.
Also, Sophie's entire life goal has *always* been to be a fairytale princess and marry a handsome prince. Every day of her life is spent ensuring that she is the picture perfect fairytale heroine. She has a ridiculous beauty routine, is nice to everyone and makes sure to do good deeds every single day. Sophie is beloved by the townsfolk and everyone assumes that she is going to be the Good Child that will kidnapped that night.
And Agatha doesn't want to be a witch, she wants to lead a simple, normal life in Gavaldon and live out all of her days in graveyard-manor-antisocial-bliss. I also don't like that they put her in pants. Her dresses are simple, unfitted and all black, but the movie couldn't allow her even the tiniest sliver of femininity 'cause "It'S iMpoSiBLe FoR a FEmaLe ChArACter tO bE a StRoNg FeMaLe cHaRaCTeR if ShE wEArs SkIrTs".
I was bored halfway through the movie but kept watching (to my regret) and now I'm learning about this. I can't believe they passed up on this amazing element of world-building straight from the books. It makes the main characters so much more compelling and really captures a certain atmosphere of fear within the town that heightens the stakes of the protagonists' story since there is an actual readership in that town being made aware of their fate. The whole "we make the stories that teach people how to live their lives" thing is vague and moralistic in the movie, but if what you say is right, in the books it is actually deeply personal to the people of the very town the two were kidnapped from. The villagers' own goodness/evilness is performative too, not genuine, because their aim is to safeguard their children from becoming the victims of the tales they read about.
@@marielaberge8236 The books are great. I highly recommend them.
@@marielaberge8236 Yup. There's also the factor that the citizens of Gavaldon were trapped. Whenever someone tried to leave, they'd get turned around and end up back in town. Later, it turns out that the 'Reader' world was just a small pocket of the larger world inside a magic barrier, for the express purpose of having a literally captive audience for the fairy tales. The people of that town couldn't just up and leave, they were stuck. With very few exceptions that the books reveal later, no one goes in to Galvadon and no one, except the kidnapped children, leave.
Agatha, early on, was one of the few 'School sceptics' left in town. She told Sophie that the school wasn't real, and that the kids who went missing were just two dumb teens who tried to pull a prank and didn't come back because they were eaten by wolves. She also denied that the townspeople were stuck there, claiming that everyone was just stupid and got turned around in the woods. I don't remember if it's explicitly stated, but it's at least implied that Agatha's denial was because deep down she was deathly afraid. She was just as certain that she'd be picked for Evil as everyone in town was, and her only means of coping with that was pretending that everyone was just superstitious and that the school wasn't actually real.
I haven't seen the film yet, so I can't comment much except that I'm not looking forward to it. Based on what I've heard and the trailer, it seems that it really stripped away most of the layers of the story and dumbed it down. Which is a shame because, though I have my criticisms of the books, I think that at the first one was full of genuinely well thought out subtle deconstruction of the concept.
Yea I don't get why they have to put them all in pants.
@@DCreed013 Oh I totally agree, I also got the distinct impression that Agatha knew it was real and was in denial because she was scared.
There's enough material in the books for it to have been made into a full T.V. series and we'd actually get to see the characters have time to grow and develop more in a T.V. series than in a movie. I really think it would be better if they went with making it a T.V. series instead
Maybe in ten years it’ll get the Percy Jackson treatment.
All I did was watch the movie so I got no clue about the books, but even I thought it'd have done better as a series. Still liked it tho
Right - and then each book would be a new season!
UJghghhghghgh I know right, I want to write a script for a show. They didn't have enough time to have any nuance at all in the movie.
Yeah I agree
As someone who hasn’t read the books It felt very rushed but it was so visually gorgeous
the books are really good istg
Read the books. They're amazing
Same
There’s so much they left out, but to only begin listing, for one Sophie was literally waiting for the School Master her entire life. It’s known throughout Gavaldon because of the kidnappings. In fact, it’s the reason Agatha and Sophie are EVEN FRIENDS. Sophie decided she’d befriend the graveyard girl because it was a good deed and she needed to be accepted in the school for good. Throughout the first part of the book, they hardly got along, despite their fragments of friendship being cute enough already. Agatha literally accused Sophie of doing this only to get in and tried to kick her out when Sophie came by, but apparently she didn’t hate her quite so much since when she saw Sophie getting grabbed by the dark figure she ran in to go save her. The thing is, this shows Agatha being good. She didn’t have to do that, but in the few seconds she had she ran for her. In the movie, we don’t see her doing anything even remotely good until the stymph scene. She’s just modest, I guess? But Agatha acknowledges being Good later, does that mean she’s less good? No, because her just not knowing and having genuine self esteem issues (which they ALSO washed away REALLY BADLY) is apparently enough to make her Good. We see in the handbook set after the third book that school applications require mention of Good / Evil deeds. So why are Readers exempt from that in the movie? They’re not supposed to be. Oh and not to mention- I may genuinely like the actress for Agatha but I think it shows just how little effort was put in that A) Agatha has really big eyes, it is mentioned as an ugly feature but later as an attractive one after she “becomes pretty”. B) that she has very pale skin, again first as an ugly feature then as an attractive one. C) she has black hair and black eyes. D) she has a bony figure. A. Bony. Figure. And in a scene with the other villagers, they call her a PIG. You’re kidding, right? The actress isn’t fat or anything, but she’s not exactly skinny- and this was used as an insult, so they shouldn’t have made it worse by literally changing the lines to call her fat instead…She doesn’t have the “bug eyes”. She isn’t pale skinned (which is forgivable but I feel like she was just a diversity cast), and the only thing she can tick off is having black eyes. It makes no sense that the actress literally embodies ONLY the one canonical feature that isn’t mentioned nearly as much as the rest. I had to think for a minute, confused, whether they really even did. I’m going to be honest, as an asian person, I really wanted the representation this time considering the visual description of Agatha. I always imagined her that way, and the actress (while I genuinely like her portrayal) looks nothing like how many people and me pictured her (because it was based off the book’s literal descriptions). If they were going to do a diversity cast, why not someone that actually looks the part? I say this as a FAN OF THE ACTRESS. And Sophie. Oh my god, Sophie. They didn’t even give her green contacts. 😭. There’s so much dialogue relating to her eyes and such that it annoys me so bad they’re going to change that ALL. They’re green and unique (that’s literally how Tedros finds them familiar in the second book). They’re green like her mother’s, and it’s just something I’m very annoyed about considering how easy it would have been to do. But if this is dramatic that’s justified cause I can understand that being small as someone who isn’t a fanatic of this series. The hair chop scene. Oh…lord. They butchered that SO BAD. I understand Lady Lesso cutting her hair could have actually been good because Lady Lesso and Sophie have a great teacher-student relationship throughout the series and it’s done really well… in the books, at least… it wasn’t nearly as powerful as it should have been. It just didn’t work for me. The scene in the book shows Sophie being truly at a loss. She kills the man-wolf for doing this to her. It shows a bit of her spiral into insanity. In the movie, she just throws a hissy-fit and screams a bit but really does NOTHING. Sophie in the book- you can see her terror projected, her absolute rage, her insanity killing the man-wolf, and her Evil that really comes to life throughout the first book. It makes me sad that she just turns emo in the movie… Sophie wasn’t such a wannabe. She blew into a rage, insane, and had actual Evil moments where her power was shown and she killed people needlessly. They took so much from her character, because now it’s not a slow spiral into insanity as a girl who always tried to be Good realizes her Evil, but a girl throwing a tantrum over not being at the pretty princess school. They don’t show her learning her Evil powers and being super manipulative to Agatha, her desperately clinging to the vision of her being good as she loses it slowly because of several REAL REASONS, they didn’t even do the mirror scene. Oh my god when I heard they didn’t do the mirror scene…I think I shed a tear. Agatha’s character is built quite well because she’s a girl that conformed to the concept the town put on her and painted her as, that secretly read princess stories because she’d always hoped silently for her own. Unlike Sophie she felt the need to force them down. She had self esteem issues because she felt ugly and was depressed. She thought she had to be a witch like her mother because witches were ugly and weird according to Gavaldon and oh did she fit that description. She hated herself enough that she was afraid of mirrors. The mirror scene with Dean Dovey really showed the two’s close mentor-student relationship. It showed Agatha seeing her own beauty for the first time, loving it for the first time, loving herself for the first time. She smiled for the first time, because she finally felt pretty. That was powerful. Truly. I cannot process how they didn’t think it was important enough to even incorporate. After that scene Agatha actually tries to prioritize herself, which without this scene makes no sense. Agatha is always thinking about others in the beginning. Sophie and I are stuck. Sophie needs to go home, I need to help, my mother is at home alone and she needs me, et cetera. Even at Gavaldon she prioritizes her mother at all times. Not herself. She sees herself as the main character for ONCE and actually thinks she can have her fairytale, which is IMPORTANT. It shows her stepping out of Sophie’s shadow and not constantly letting herself be used by her anymore. To Sophie she’s just a side character and Sophie is the everything, the princess, the heroine. Agatha decides she wants her own fairy tale and Sophie immediately sees this as stealing hers. Because Agatha has to be the witch in her tale. The Evil, the scum, the loser. This. Is. Powerful. And we lost that. How did we lose that? In the movie, they’re just immediately close friends (which is much smoother and easier than in the books later on because the actresses have great chemistry I’ll give them that) but they’re not supposed to be…they’re supposed to be really forced. Their friendship builds slowly and their bond grows SLOWLY. They ignore in the beginning that Sophie doesn’t even actually care about Agatha and they ignore the mourning of Sophie and her missing her deceased mother. They hardly do the amazingly written struggle of a relationship between Sophie and her father…. They don’t show the hurt feelings deep inside of Sophie that her father doesn’t love her anymore or care because he has a new family. Sophie tries to not care about her father because she thinks he doesn’t care to love her anymore (literally in a dialogue she states that he’s happier and always would have been happier with sons now that he has 3 with that new fat woman). They don’t show her father showing his care in the small ways he can and Sophie misunderstanding that. They don’t show Sophie’s forced down feelings about it all. Oh, and I nearly forgot, but the f*cking talent scene with Agatha! God, I cannot believe they ruined that! The whole point was for the fairies and wolves to be exposed for being past students. It was PEAK. It was DEEP. It showed Agatha’s true good. She revealed the lost, imprisoned souls of the students that just so happened to fail 3 times and even the Nevers cried at her performance, Hester literally surrendered to the punishment after Agatha finished…and the wolves protected her. So powerful, such a great scene. Much more powerful than screaming and punching a guy. Maybe you don’t get it if you didn’t read the books, but all of these are important because they’re recurring and they add to a lot of things. They build the actual characters of Sophie and Agatha and if we don’t have those things it’s harming not only the first movie but the live action series in general. It’s already stained upon and there’s not much that can cover this.
I haven’t gotten any sleep since 2 days ago. It’s early morning. I’m sorry if you decided to read this. I’m going to go make ramen noodles and cry. I’m sleep deprived so don’t take any of this seriously.
The books are insanely well written. It makes me sad that they blew up the plot, and replaced it with pretty dresses.
I agree
I refuse to believe that this stupid concept ever resulted in anything good
@@stopgenduh1690 Percy Jackson liturally has one of the worst movies of all time yet it's considered as one of the best children's book and it's now coming to Disney plus. Terrible book adaptations are nothing new lol
I still thought the movie was pretty good
@@xeecstasy3183 We always enjoy things when our standards are lowered.
The books have their relationship start out a lot clearer. Sofie is is only nice to Agatha because she thinks it's what will get her into the school for good. Agatha is one of those girls who are all shabby and afraid of sunlight. Thats why they end up where they do, because sofie is evil and Agatha is good.
And the worst part is it wouldn't have been that hard to keep it the way it was like, time wise
This makes MUCH more sense. I think I’m going to read the books.
I LOVED that Sophie was only a friend to Aggie bc she was so vain and determined to get in the School for Good that she was willing to use anyone. I'm not saying I like her character for that, but instead I'm saying it was only the first chapter that it was introduced and it already, subtly showed that she was downright Evil in the first place without directly stating it.
@@LauraAnn309 Yes!! I wish they put it in the films 😔
@@sugar9970 Exactly!!! Sophie and Agatha’s friendship had to GROW and the fact that they started the movie with them already being best buddies RUINS all that development they had to go through to become true friends to each other 😭😭
Somewhere in the Netflix writers office, there's a box filled with every cliche. And when they want to make a series or adapt an existing series they reach in, throw it all on the ground and no matter what order the cliches fall, they write the script as is
innit!
funnily enough, the book itself popularized the good girl gone bad trope
@@tothemoonbase hmm. I have not read the book, so it's interesting to know that they have taken the originator of a cliche, and created something that is falls into the pitfall of the cliche
I can confirm this as a Netflix employee, can’t belive you guys figured it out.
@@alexianeagu9801 😲
U have no idea how excited i got when the two girls kissed, only to yell at my tv screen two minutes later when the other girl kisses the prince and the narrator calls them best friends.
in the books they're twin sisters😭 so it really was a best friend life-saving kiss
@@nightm1me bruh
I hated how they made Sophie seemed like a good person who was slightly flawed like no she was an asshole. When they we’re getting dragged in the woods it wasn’t “ik you’ll never let me get hurt aggie 🥺” it’s was “you can’t ever be happy for me. you’re sabotaging me because i’m a princess and youre jealous that you’ll never be as pretty and perfect as me” it wasn’t “aggie and sophie became friends after sophie’s mom died” it was “sophie befriended agatha bc she thought being friends with the weird loner girl would make her seem like a better person to the school master” like it just ruins her character bc in the following books no one knows if sophie is truly good or evil she didn’t even know and it ruins the entire point of the books where the question is can the goodness or badness of one person truly be definite when they ruin her character and make agatha spell out all the nuance like some shitty school PSA.
UGHHH finallyyyyy I hated how they twisted it like that in the movieeeee ..... that was the thing that made me looove the book and bam ... it is nowhere in the movie
Shes an asshole and we love her for that
One smallish detail that annoyed me was prof. Dovey. In the books Dovey was old and wise and also kind. She didn’t care about looks and believed in someone’s soul not their appearance. In the film this was lost as Dovey was depicted as very silly not at all like the books Dovey.
ONGGG. When I watched the movie, Clarissa Dovey loses all her cool and doesn’t act as great as she actually did in the book. In the book, when she was trying to get Agatha to look in the mirror, she stayed calm and tried encouraging her despite her also breaking the mirror lmao.
Leso too .. why did they make them so goofyyyyyy
They missed out on so many main points from the book in the movie. Such as the barrier between the two schools so students couldn't get into the other school. But like the more I read the book the more I realised that Sophie was gaslighting Agatha the entire book.
I noticed it without even reading the book. Plus playing the victim, ungrateful, bratty, delusional, manipulative, self-entitled af
"A wolf in sheep's clothing"
I mean same with Harry Potter and maze runner , when a book becomes a movie, it cuts out a lot cause only allowed 2 hours of time for it
It's because every movie is now made with an agenda behind it, netflix doesn't want to anger the batshit crazy feminist who are the personification of sophie.
The scream singing let it go !😂 love it
I feel like the real issue this movie should have addressed is how people who are deemed as Good, abuse their privileges by neglecting, bullying, and looking down upon those who are deemed Evil, can be the true villainy all along.
Everything you want right here is all discussed in the book 😭 it’s brilliantly done, too. This movie absolutely BUTCHERED the book and the entire series by making the characters absolutely nothing like how they are written. Due to that, some pivotal scenes that adresses these dynamics had to be cut since it didn’t fit the movie’s approach to the characters, meaning they literally cut half of what makes this story so good 😭 everything you want is shown in the actual story in the book through Agatha’s perspective and what she experiences with the girls around her and who, exactly, is on her side or not. In fact, a PIVOTAL piece of the entirety of what defines Good in the books is how lazy, privileged, and demanding they have become due to Good winning every single fairytale created, so the Good students go into the school already knowing they are going to win. Evil, of course, calls this all out but the problem is because of their losing streak in EVERY FAIRYTALE told, they are beaten down and don’t believe in themselves, perpetuating the losing streak. However, due to Good becoming so lazy and privileged this has let them not try so hard because they already know they will win, but this causes Good to not be watchful and warry of Evil, which is a WEAKNESS. A weakness that Sophie immediately spots and abuses and defeats them every turn of the book PRECISELY because they aren’t watchful of her. The movie barely makes Sophie as evil and selfish as she actually is in the book, making her a VERY serious threat Good literally can’t handle (except for Agatha) because they have let their guard down for so long. It’s honestly a brilliant piece of lore that uses Disney and it’s messaging (vs Grimms fairytales and their messaging) and shows the dramatic irony of it all. It’s honestly brilliantly done. HOWEVER, due to the movie director and team completely BOTCHING Sophie’s entire character, as well as all the characters in the Good school and Agatha, and explaining none of the lore and history behind the two school, all this story and tension is completely cut from the film 😓 I hate it man 😭 just read the book, the movie had SUCH potential for a brilliant story like what you wanted to be told, and the movie team COMPLETELY botched it 😭 I really hope if you are interested enough in this concept you get into the series, or at least book 1, it’s all explored brilliantly in there 🙂
Actually that's the worst evil, under the facade of good and divine.
the walk that Sophie does when getting her glow honestly cracks me up bc wtf is that
YESS my family said "gurlll.." at the same time 😭
@@h0peipi LMAOOO bc whyyyy like it’s just ew
YES YYYYES!!!
I'm rereading the first book right now, so the differences are fresh in my mind. I'm gonna write up a ginormous comparison of all the little things they changed that I think flattened the world the movie takes place in, pls enjoy and ty for ur time
In the movie, the concept of the school is just something the bookseller mentions to Sophie and Agatha randomly like a day before they get kidnapped. In the books, the entire town knows that every four years, two of their children are taken and are never seen again, one odd and outcast and one kind and bright. As a result, this town literally fears uniqueness (providing a better reason for why Sophie is considered so weird, considering how outwardly she WANTS to be kidnapped)
There's a scene in the first book where Sophie is tasked with getting a goose to lay a golden egg. Geese only listen to evers, so Sophie's like ok ez, no problem. The goose literally gives up its immortal powers. Sophie's soul is so dark that this magic goose would rather "kill" itself than help her. The scene is meant to contrast Agatha's wish-fish scene
Speaking of the wish fish scene. In the movie it's short and she just pulls a girl out and everyone's like wooooah ur so crazy. And then the stymph gets killed and she punches tedros etc etc. In the book, turning the wish fish back into the girl is excruciatingly painful. She literally feels her soul slipping away, the force of it breaks her fingers, and then she gets stampeded by a horde of all the other animals on the school grounds because apparently in this fucked up universe, every animal is a student who wasn't good enough. And then she escapes up to a tower, has a moment of intense connection with a gargoyle in which she realizes that these are *children*, and then just as she's turning him back into a little boy Tedros kills him and calls her a witch for caring
Speaking of the animals, in the movie you fail three times and you get turned into an object or an animal or whatever. In the books you don't need to fail. You fill three times in a row and you get vanished, yes. But all you need to do to deserve getting your humanity taken away from you is to place somewhere around the middle. And this is considered an *honor*, to serve the students who are deserving of being princes and princesses. Including dying for them.
There's a scene in the book where Agatha manages to get to Sophie's room ready to take her home, and Sophie tackles her, rips her uniform off, and tries to sneak across the bridge.
The barrier between the two schools, which Agatha is able to sneak across, shows a reflection of her. The only way it allows her past is if she insults herself
Sophie *kills* the Beast, which is the character that chops her hair off in the dungeons in the book. She literally shoves him into sewage, watches him drown, and then goes back to trying to convince the teachers she belongs at the School for Good. And this is like, very early in the book, when both she and Agatha still think there's been a mistake
In the books no one actually gets to see the School Master, he's not like the principal or the dean or whatever they made him in the movie. He hides up in the tower with the storian and no one goes up there. There are no stairs to waltz right in, Agatha and Sophie have to ride a stymph up to the window and nearly die every single time they try it
The battle between brothers isn't a random fistfight in a courtyard, it's a giant horrible war. And yes, at the end of it one of the brothers kills the other, but no one is actually sure who it is that won. There's no deception needed from mr Evil himself, because all he has to do is Not Tell Anyone which one he is
Everyone gets a familiar at some point, and most people are able to tame theirs, but Sophie's (a little cupid) absolutely refuses to listen to her and tries to kill Agatha so many times that they have to trap it in a well
There's a cool detail about "nemesis dreams", where Nevers have dreams about the person who's their one true nemesis. Gives merit to Sophie hating Agatha's guts by the time she's fully embraced her Evil, also just an interesting bit of world building that isn't mentioned in the movie at all for some reason
Mr Ted Ross himself absolutely HATES his position as local sexy hot guy and wants women to leave him alone. He's not interested in Beatrix even remotely. In the beginning of his character arc he basically goes after girls who have competition just to prove that he can win, which is why the only way Sophie is able to get his attention as the ball gets closer is to flaunt Hort around like a little puppy
Sophie holds self-help sessions for Nevers to prove how awesome and Good she is, which I don't think is a super important detail but is also hilarious and they totally should have kept it in
The scenes in the blue forest are multiple classes in the books, with repeated scenes where Agatha and other girls are transformed to look identical and the boys are supposed to pick which one is evil and which one is good. Every single time, without fail, Tedros picks Agatha. Even though for about 75% of the first book, he absolutely despises her and is convinced that she's evil. Why would they remove this I am angry
Sophie and Agatha don't figure out the whole "true loves kiss" thing for WEEKS, it's a whole thing that they only halfway manage to understand up until a good way through the book
Agatha turns into a cockroach to visit Sophie, and for a while the only reason she doesn't fail is because Agatha does all her homework for her and then hides on her shoulder for all of her classes to help her cheat. Sophie, meanwhile, is fully focused only on Tedros
The Trial by Tale tournament is a huge competition in which the ten top performing kids from each school are selected to go into the woods. Not sure why they made it a love thing in the movie. Sophie's conflict here isn't that her hot boy loves her (although they're together by this point and the scene where Agatha saves him plays out the same way), instead it's that /all the competitors, from both schools, are trying to murder her/.
The point of good becoming evil in the movie makes absolutely no sense. In the books, though, the point is that good always /wins/ in this universe. That's why Sophie tricks the Evers into attacking, because once the Nevers are good, they can actually come out victorious
There's a moment right before the Evers burst in during the Never ball where Hester invites Agatha to dance. Without Sophie's interference here, the schools would have been integrated. In fact, multiple times throughout the book, the two schools begin to come together, only for Sophie to fuck it up at the last moment. (The Trial by Tale, where Sophie and Tedros are meant to win together but obviously don't, for example).
By the end of the book, the Nevers are Very Much against Sophie, up until the final battle. They lock her into her dorm room, barricade it with furniture, and only let her out because she tricks them
Very good synopsis.
it makes sense why they didn't do almost all of that in the movie, really should have been a tv show.
Wait the love interest is a child murderer?!?
I Didn't even know this was a book. So thank you for this. I feel lile once I read the book I will have an Eragon moment. I saw the movie first liked it well enough to watch it a few times but not to memorize it by heart. Then my mom showed me the book and all I had to do was read the first page to just hate the movie.
So I get the feeling with this it would be very similar. I liked it well enough to see a sequel didn'tike it enough to re watch it
@@josephnewsome2935 technically he doesn't realize that the gargoyle he's killing is turning back into a child, but when Agatha tries to explain it to him he refuses to believe her. Everyone in the school already knows that all the animals are children, so the thing that's crazy isn't that he's a little boy, but that she's able to turn him back
"to stop..shrek.....im such a genus" i bust out laughing lol I cant even
Waited 6, 7 years for this to come out. My fifteen-year-old self was so ecstatic when i first heard it’s going to be a film. Re-read the first book 4 times bc it was that memorable and interesting. Beyond devastated they percy jackson-ed the goddamn thing. -10/10.
Also:
Dove Cameron as Sophie
Freddie Stroma as Tedros
Emma Mackey as Agatha
Sorry i just had to put this somewhere out there bc I really don’t like the actors and I’ve imagined them in these roles since I first read the books and this imagined casting is so much better than the real ones.
@@nadsoos2212 I can also imagine Elle Fanning as Sophie, her Disney princess-esque looks would suit Sophie as an irl character.
@@nadsoos2212 i also love the idea of dove cameron as sophie
@@dio6586 I think a major issue is...netflix can't afford elle fanning.
@@nadsoos2212 Dove Cameron can't be a teenage girl forever.
As someone who watched the movie and has never read the books(yet) I have to say I expected this to be a TV series and according to the comments it should have been. I was excited to see that Netflix was making a project about this although as expensive as Netflix is becoming to be they should have had no problem with making this book A series. Not to mention the material they got to work with. the book is very in-depth and detailed
it's gonna be series of movies probably that's what they are planning
I thought it was gonna be a tv series but was disappointed that it was a movie. I liked the movie as someone who's never read the books. It just felt like it was missing scenes to connect everything and elaborate on the things they bring up and throw away.
I was genuinely confused as to why they didn’t make it into a series. When I clicked to watch it and noticed the 2 hours play time, I was like, why do I remember reading somewhere that it’s a series? Honestly, when adapting books, the trick is to make them into a series. You can actually play out all of the important events that happen in the books and add improvements. Shadow and Bone is a good example of what an adaptation should be like.
Right. Especially after their (still rushed) masterpiece "Series of Unfortunate Events" u would think that hih?
More likely to get the sequel though now
That walking scene was the most cringe, hilarious and embarrassing moment in the movie. I literally lost me shit when it happened
me too but i’m pretty sure that was the point 😭😭
That's when I was like, "yep they definitely understood Sophie. Book Sophie would totally do this". I'm just imagining it without the music. No idea how they did that scene without dying laughing
She’s even worse in the books lol
The Billie Eilish music in the background and her exaggerated strut had me DEAD
the walk, clothing, background music were all baddddd. Seriously it could’ve been so much better ngl.
I’m honestly surprised that there hasn’t been an “Ever” vs “Never” trend on TikTok.
I actually love the books. They couldve been a series. They left out major details and changed things
EXACTLY
The characters are not how they were in the book. In the book, Sophie was always a wicked person and only started spending time with Agatha as a "good deed," and they messed up Agatha's personality too, in the movie she just has some attitude, like your average sassy teenager, whereas in the book she could be morbid.
I agree. sadly, character development cannot be rushed in the movie, so it is honestly compromised.
I agree! Agatha felt more falt in the movie.
lol
Agatha was perfect in the movie, she had no flaws. Whereas real Agatha had many she was insecure but morbid at times.
I disagree with your take on Sophie in the movie.
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Even though she only used Agatha as a good deed in the books, I found that I actually loved their friendship even more in the movie when it was a bit more genuine. I liked how they pushed Sophie constantly, telling her that she is nothing more than evil and that is all she’ll ever be. There is a wickedness within her that flourishes, and it seems like something she’s always suppressed because she wanted to fulfill her stereotypical destiny of being the hero of her own story (that damage and trauma means something magical or special will happen to you because you’ve suffered so much ie her mother’s death and her mistreatment in her household and village). When she gets pierced by the Storian and almost dies, saying “I don’t want to be evil, Aggie” (or something close to that), it really hit me. It means all that much more and I think it’s a lot better here for me than the books. I like how Agatha acted in the movie as well, but I do agree with how Agatha should have been more “weirder” and more sullen looking and morbid.
for me the thing i missed the most in this movie was tedros' character, like him actually having a personality. both the main girls were botched (sofie's narcissism being nullified and agatha being.. yassified.) but man no one's talking about how they did tedros dirty. in the first book he's clearly insecure and worried about how other perceive him, he's a prince who's grown up privileged yet also with such high expectations. after his father's death and his mother leaving him for another man has left him determined to not be tricked by anyone again. this is why h e's so put off by agatha, she doesn't fall into the normal role girls do when they talk to him (which is more based on agatha not being raised with the strict fairytale rules every other girl has been, not her being special and quirky). anyways this leads to tedros disliking her and seeing her as a witch, meanwhile agatha is jealous that he's taking sophie away from her
compared to the book, agatha and tedros have that awkward cute energy which really doesn't fit either of their characters. when agatha hits him and embarrasses him in the book (after killing the gargoyle) his insecurities come to light and he responds with being hostile towards her. compared to in the movie where after she hits him for killing gregor he remains bantering with her, not actually being offended.
TLDR: they turned tedros into a boy next door type of character rather than him being a layered character
I mean, what do we expect when this movie is made by the same guy who directed Ghostbusters 2016?
Ikr that wasnt book tedros
@@ayaHAHAHA30 if they didn't have the same name I wouldn't of even thought they were the same character based on personality
Exactly!!! They botched Tedros character the most honestly they gave him NO context for his fears and insecurities of turning out just like his father and being heartbroken when they could have easily included a backstory scene.
I feel the most mad for his character being botched because he didn’t even get his own scene but Agatha just MENTIONING it!!
10:34 honestly just lives rent free in my head "Ugliness is Freedom."
I, too, have read the book series as the kid and it was already a red flag with all the "blood magic", but then Sophie and Agatha are best friends from the beginning, when in the book, Sophie was kind of using Agatha as another check off her list to make it more likely she was kidnapped to the school for good by being friendly to the outcast that even she found gross
Woahhh yikes. It's totally an another plot compared to the movie 💀. I would have preferred this one tbh.
She was actually friends with Agatha. They became friends because Sophie saw it as a good deed and I do wish that was in the movie because it shows more of who Sophie was but she did love Agatha. Her motivations were not pure but she did grow to care about Aggie.
@@alicat7633 Thanks for correcting, I haven't read the first book in ages, but I do remember the base plot. I was hoping they'd highlight on this too, but they never do. Like their friendship was perfect until they went to the School for Good and Evil
I never read the books but I could tell that Sohpie should've been just a tad bit more evil before the whole transformation. However, my absolute favorite part was when the smiling teacher finally snapped. The whole movie felt so self aware after that scene
Sophie was a narcissist (i think
) and I’m pretty sure being friends with Agatha was her “good deed” in the beginning
There’s a few comments talking about what they removed in the movie too
In the book, Sophie literally kill a wolf because the wolf was cutting her hair-
Sophie nearly destroyed the whole word because she wanted to be a Queen and was about to end her father. Sophie was narcissistic and evil.
THEY LEFT OUT SOPHIE'S LOVE FOR CUCUMBERS
Honesty, Hort is just such an underrated character. I was cheering him on through the whole series.
Hort was the most accurate character in the movie, honestly. He was spot on.
I never even read the book and hort is my favorite character lmao
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if you'd ship him and Sophie together, read the books and you'll see a lot of stuff
@@jumpyjasmine3735 ik he’s just so innocent and pure for a never, but not in a defenseless way
No cuz same 😭
12:21 Sophia brought out her inner Lydia lmao
I still can’t believe they had Sophia Anne Caruso, Rachel Boom and Patti Lupone and there wasn’t a musical number, you can’t have that much talent and don’t let them perform .
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OMG that was my frustration all along, how could they?? x~x
im a lovely little simp for sophia....yes i would love to hear her shriek (AND THATS IN THE BOOK TOO IT TALKS ABOUT HOW SHE MAKES TEDROS BLEED FROM THE EARS AND SHE ALSO SHATTERS A STAIRCASE)
Both Sofia and Sophia can sing, it feels like we missed out lol.
And in the books Sophie legitimately has one. No I am not kidding.
Thing I like THE LEAST of what they changed from the books to the Movie is Hort. He must be spinning in anger they made him Hook’s Kid instead of his original story where he is Hook’s Sailor’s Kid who is too poor to get decently buried, so part of his mission is to get his a dad a decent burial because he deserves it. It was a lovely that although he is supposed to be evil to the core, he always cared about his dad.
Oh yeah for sure! Hort would be mad loooool I’m mad bro it was such a beautiful storyline and showed his heart PERFECTLY but no 😑😑
I think I missed something in the books since I though hort was actually uook's biological kid. Mustve missed the part where he said he was hok's sailo's hid😅
I think I missed something in the books since I though hort was actually uook's biological kid. Mustve missed the part where he said he was hok's sailo's hid😅
I think I missed something in the books since I though hort was actually uook's biological kid. Mustve missed the part where he said he was hok's sailo's kid😅
In the books, the town is afraid of the school due to the school abducts two children every four years and they would be called Readers, Sophie treats Agatha like a charity case while thinking being friends with her would send her to the good side while looking down on others, and the townspeople thought Agatha would end up in the evil side of the school because they think she's a witchy/evil looking girl.
Later on in the books (spoilers), Agatha and Sophie are twins. Their mother was a student of the evil side of the school and she looked like Agatha but changed her looks looking like an older version of Sophie. She was going to leave Agatha in the forest and keep Sophie after they were born, due to Agatha reminded her on how she looked in the past.
I think it would be a tad hard for the people behind the film to pull that part with their mother if they continue on with films.
I just love how he just sits with the popcorn 🍿
The books are so good I feel the need to say!! The movie literally took CHUNKS out of the plot that were necessary to make things make sense. They also made Agatha and her story high key boring, and made Sophie far too logical. THE BOOKS ARE AMAZING GO READ THEM. Oh and Tedros is much more of a meme in the books
RIGHT- TEDROS WAS SUCH A BITCH IN TGE MOVIE
Excuse me, but where do you read the books? Just saw the movie
yessss go read the books, a thousand times better. Im mean the movie was good but the book >>>
The books made them seem so much more nuanced too. I'm just beyond obsessed it gave them character and dimension that the movie never could
Bro the book laid out the scene better than the movie! And the books only had one picture at the start of the chapter!
ALSO Horta dad wasn’t Captain Hook he was a member of his crew who no one remembered. It fleshed Hort out and made him feel like a person. Same with Tedros. That boy had major daddy issues that they just cut out even though it was his most defining character trait. AND they cut out Agatha’s whole arc of self discovery. It felt like more of a film about Sophie rather than a film about BOTH Sophie and Agatha.
Did they cut out the fact that Hort was basically a werewolf?
@@everythingslayer_888 yea you only get one scene of him growing abit of hair. They don’t even make it obvious
To be honest I’m glad I thought Sophie’s arc was more interesting and the actress who played Sophie was better also. Agatha just felt annoying to me
@@bonniebellaxoxo8853 I get what you mean Sophie is way more entertaining but it was kinda sad to watch the main arc of one of the main characters just not be their. Especially when it was such a uplifting, love yourself story. Idk I just thought it was disappointing that it was just about Sophie.
* there not their 🥲
Honestly I liked the movie because it was part of my childhood, but one thing that annoyed me was that Sophie learnt about the School for a day and decided she wanted to go there. The whole point in the books is that she waits all her life to be kidnapped. And in the movie it doesn’t make sense as to why she’s evil. She’s evil because all her life she’s only really been friends with Agatha so Agatha can be the “Witch” in her story, and she only really cares about princes and dresses etc instead of being ACTUALLY good. In the movie, both her and Agatha seem like “Good” people, but in the books, Agatha is the stereotypical “weird kid” who plays with matches and scowls at everyone and hates children and thinks fairytales are stupid. But the reason she’s good is because she cares about the people she loves and has a good heart, and was just misunderstood. And she wasn’t pretty like she was in the movie (at least that’s what she thinks) she has sunken bug eyes are dirt all over her and greasy hair. The movie won’t make sense to people who haven’t read the books, and it’s a real shame because there were so many crucial moments in the books that they left out :/
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@@GriffinZambia oh just shut up
YES!! i hate how Sophie just knew abt SGE just a day before she actually got kidnapped.. It kinda makes her friendship with Agatha in the movie ver. a bit more genuine, since in the book she kinda use Agatha so that she could get kidnapped (since the rule is that there must be 2 kids that get kidnapped, pure good and pure evil).. But yeah i like the book version better bc CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!! Sophie in the beginning of the book is just selfish and prioritized herself first, and just friends with Agatha so that she can be kidnapped.. But at the end of the book she realize that her friendsgip with Agatha is real and that it's more precious than anything else she's been dreaming of.. Again, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! The movie is just them having genuine friendship, then they went to SGE, their mind got messed up bc of the schools, and at the end they just went back to their original self from the start of the movie.. Kinda has no character development at all..
Also, Agatha's character development in the book is her being confident at the end right? The audacity to cut the "makeover" part of the book.. That's literally Agatha's peak of character development.. And also, they cut the talent show part where the princes ask the princesses to the Snow Ball.. Literally that part is when Sophie went full crazy bc Tedros betrayed Sophie and plan to get revenge.. In the movie they just jump into the Snow Ball and just shove it in our face that Tedros is with Agatha in that ball loll
@@devaw5599 yes!!! It never made sense. And also Agatha’s relationship with tedros was so weird. In the books, they hated eachother, in the movie, it was more flirty banter. And tedros was such a boring cardboard cutout pretty boy in the movies while in the books he’s more complicated. I don’t really like thin that much but the book version was better at least.
I don't know if they ever planned a second movie but if they did, I wonder how they would have built it. Movie 1 was good but not at all like the books, so there were stuff that didn't or wouldn't make sense (like the whole August Sader character who has just been erased - how would they have made Evelyn then ?). Also, the end of the movie is Tedros saying goodbye to Agatha. Even though he yelled wait at the end, this doesn't have the "and Agatha left him alone to go back home with her one true love Sophie" like in the books. And that ending is was created the split between boys and girls in the first place - without that, how can Tedros be mad at Agatha ? They said calmly goodbye,she didn't gave him up.
Honestly, I felt like Agatha didn't get as much of a character arc transformation as she did in the book...
And I really missed the mirror Agatha, the one that she has to face everytime she goes to the School for Evil, that and the physical transformation of Agatha was really necessary for her arc
yea the scenes where agatha talks to reflection on the bridge are some of my favorite from the whole series
i feel like they fr messed dovey up
Trust me, this book series is utterly PHENOMENAL!!!! This movie doesn’t represent what type of book this is AT ALL. In fact, the movie is almost a parody of the books, silly, overdone, and hilarious! But not like the books at all, which is serious, thought provoking, and reaches such richness in emotional depth and thought in its plot and its characters, that I truly haven’t been as moved by a series of books as I have these! And I’ve learned through this movie form everyone commenting that apparently so many other readers have felt as I have and I’m so happy to have discovered that! I truly haven’t seen a book series this good for so long. They truly are beautiful and I really hope people check out these books! The movies don’t represent the mood and tone of the story AT ALL. These honestly hasn’t been a full series this emotional and thought provoking in a LONG time. Trust me, read the whole series and it will make sense 🙂 but if anyone has any questions regarding it or curiosities of what it’s all about I would LOVE to answer them!
One thing I will say is that it is SOO much darker than the film makes it out to be! There is so much murder and blood in the first book alone, and as the characters grow each book just gets darker and darker. This is partially because it is based off of the Grimms fairytales, so in the books there is REAL risk, and an equal chance for evil and villains to win. But just as much as there is darkness and horror and sadness in the Grimms, and in this tale, there is a deep beating heart to it that is realistic, that is shown marvelously through this series characters and their development. And that’s the only other thing this movie missed completely, is just how very well developed and complex these characters are, to the point it is like you are reading about people instead of characters, and it ESPECIALLY missed just how well they develop and grow emotionally throughout this story, and how natural it is. MAN, this movie just missed the BIGGEST opportunity it had to get one of the best stories that could have come out in a LONG time. Anyway if anyone is curious or has any questions about the story or its character or really anything about these books, just let me know 🙂
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@@moimoiyoop I read the first book a month or two ago and the only part that I’d call goofy is when Agatha farted and cleared everyone out the arrival area. Everything else was pretty dark and interesting, and I did feel the tragedy of the former students all trapped as animals and whatnot.
Yeeeeessss finally someone says it, where my book reviewers at?
@@pumpkinchocrain Right here! 😄✋
I loved the books so much but I haven't read them in a long time should I buy them and revisit them?
The movie feels like what every historian thinks a gay relationship was back in the 1800's. Just a couple of gall pals having fun going on quirky adventures and kissing like all besties do!
Watching as a book fan, there were some changes I loved - Gregor being the main one - but lots that, as you say, felt very rushed; Agatha's 'beauty' being having more 'controlled' hair was... a choice, and whilst I get they were focusing on the grey aspect of nobody being good or evil inherently, Sophie WAS cruel at the start. She was friends with Agatha BECAUSE she was trying to qualify for the School for Good, not because she actually liked her, and Rafal was introduced way, way too early (although I understand the urge to use Kit Young).
I agree, Gregor is best boy, he deserved better.
@@5t3v3thevehicon9 i know right? They did my boy dirty.
@@5t3v3thevehicon9 i felt so bad for gregor 😭😭😭😭
Wow this video was so cool!!!! (Got your viewer satisfactions up!!!!)
I just love the fact that Agatha kisses Sophie and after like 3 seconds
she wakes up
THE MOVIE IS NOTHING LIKE THE BOOK
Honestly, like this ranks as one of the worst adaptations ever 😂 honestly up there with the Avatar The Last Airbender movie adaptation, it’s THAT bad 😭
@@Jaguar470 ATLA movie adaptation was awful but The Promised Neverland’s live action was something else 😭
@@puppydogs68nah what about A WRINKLE IN TIME?? that movie sucked ass omg
Not to mention PJO and Death Note
This one's a book to musical adaptation but Wicked was MANGLED. Unrecognizable from the source material
They left out EVERYTHING, that made the book interesting & amazing. Lady Lesso was born evil, & is from that world. The only people she loved was her son & dovey. Otherwise she was an aroace icon. She didn’t think of Rafael at all. That storyline felt like a violation to her character. Not to mention they kept out the circus of talents, which is personally my favourite part of the book. It’s so beautiful, and it explains/shows that not everything is as what it appears. (SPOILERS FOR THE BOOK) Agatha for her talent shows that students who fail the school, get turned into a slaves for the other school & tries to convince the WHOLE school, that they’re not that different after all.
Not to mention at the end of the book, Sofia & Agatha kiss & immediately get transported back to galvadon, not get permission from fucking tedros. It’s a key event to the next book.
6 books are hard to condense into one movie.
(book spoilers i guess? idk, never read them) I saw someone saying that sofia and agatha are actually sisters, is that true? because it would make the kiss scenes kinda weird 😭
@@segredohihi yes.
@@philipgwyn8091im not asking for them to put 6 books in one movie. Im asking them to put 1 book in one movie correctly
@@segredohihiThey’re twins
They don't beat Rafal with friendship though. Agatha slices him with the magical sword Excalibur. And Sophie just helped it go across the room to her hand. Sophies part wasn't really needed since Agatha could've just walked over and grabbed it but cinematically both needed to play a part.
That’s literally what happened in the movie what do u mean
@@cottylisme I mean what I said. They didn't beat Rafal with friendship like he said
can we also talk about the fact that Jafal is hundreds of years old, and Sophie is like- SIXTEEN?!
@@calebleach7988 LITERALLY BRO WHEN INWATCHED I WAS SCREAMING OUT OF DISGUST I COULDMTVWATCH THE KISS THAT WAS SO TERRIBLE OMG
@@calebleach7988 Rafal and his immortality makes him young. In fact in the books he actually has the maturity of a teenager which is commented on by The Faculty quite a bit.